Time Nick Message 00:06 PSC Hi everyone - I'm just sticking my nose in to say g'day. Am working with BobB and his team to develop an "all e" library - no books, just pdfs, audio files, MP4 etc, for a specialist library. I'm a total Koha noob, so you might see me in here with "well D'UH!" type questions 00:07 BobB Hi PSC :) 00:08 cait hi PSC :) 00:08 cait and i should be sleeping... so... good night #koha :) 00:08 BobB hi cait! 00:08 wahanui hi cait! are you safely back in germany now? 00:08 BobB sleep well 00:09 BobB @wunder Adelaide, SA 00:09 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found. 00:09 BobB @wunder Adelaide South Australia 00:09 huginn BobB: The current temperature in Adelaide, South Australia is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). 00:10 BobB hmm, cooler now 00:26 eythian wahanui: the sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma. 00:26 wahanui ...but sun is shining again - life is good!... 00:26 eythian wahanui, the sun is also a miasma of incandescent plasma. 00:26 wahanui okay, eythian. 00:28 PSC it 00:29 PSC quick fingers sorry - it's nice here (ADL) today, but I'm too scared to go out - got bitten by the day star yesterday and it's all a bit stingy 00:30 rambuten PSC: I'm guessing your project, and experiences with it, will be of interest to others. Plz feel free to keep us posted on your progress. 00:30 PSC Will do Rambuten - lots of interest in it actually, but it's a little bit of reluctance from my end given the "newness" of it. I'm not sure I'm comfy in the pioneer role! 00:31 rambuten Hey, you'll get all the credit! 00:35 PSC And all the tomatoes! 00:43 rambuten PSC: I didn't understand your reference to the "day star". What's that? 00:49 PSC Rambuten - it's what my partners "I hate going outside lock my in my dark room with my screen!" friend calls the sun :) 00:50 PSC my = me - sorry 00:52 jcamins PSC: I think rambuten meant that he's never seen such a thing. :P 00:54 PSC hahaha - oh ok - was trying to think of how to politely phrase "physics/IT nerd" ;) 00:55 rambuten OK, got it. The miasma of incadescent plasma was cranked up yesterday and the resulting death rays gave you an IR/UV inflamation of the skin and it's still burning. 00:57 rambuten I need to go acquire some hot tea. 00:57 mrx Hi everyone, I'm using C4::Biblio::ModBiblioMarc and trying to add a field 003 but it is getting appended as last field. Is there a way to enter a new field in the correct order? 00:59 eythian are you building the record using the MARC::Record and related tools? 00:59 eythian because if so, there are functions with that to add things in order. 01:01 jcamins mrx: you should not be using ModBiblioMarc directly. See the comments. 01:03 mrx Oh ok, actually want to update already harvested records but if a field doesn't exist, how to add it in order? 01:04 jcamins Take a look at the MARC::Record POD. 01:05 mrx thanks 01:05 jcamins It's something like insert_ordered or insert_grouped, or something. 01:16 mrx thank you, much appreciated 01:23 eythian btw bug 11196 solves two errors being logged for every search request. We were seeing 10-20,000 of these errors per day. The workaround is to go and explicitly save the syspref to put the value in the db. 01:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11196 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , SearchEngine pref not in sysprefs.sql 07:05 * cait waves 07:35 marcelr hi #koha 07:35 cait hi marcelr :) 07:35 marcelr hi cait 07:42 cait good morning and bbl :) 07:45 reiveune hello 07:45 wahanui hi, reiveune 10:08 kf good morning #koha :) 10:46 vfernandes hello :) 10:47 vfernandes it's possible to set removing records permissions only to some users? 10:50 kf hm curently i think the permissions there are not so detailed 10:51 kf if you can add and modify, you can also delete 11:11 vfernandes :/ 11:11 vfernandes maybe I can "remove" the links using javascript 11:22 marcelr Joubu++ #qa 9788 11:55 kivilahtio wow we are facing cookie exhaustion here 12:09 tcohen morning #koha 12:11 kivilahtio morning tcohen 12:13 tcohen kivilahtio? 12:13 wahanui kivilahtio is running 3.4 12:13 kivilahtio thats not true 12:13 kivilahtio how do I change that? 12:13 tcohen wahanui: forget that 12:13 wahanui tcohen: I forgot that 12:14 kivilahtio we are testing master 12:14 tcohen wahanui: kivilahtio is testing master 12:14 wahanui ...but kivilahtio is running 3.4... 12:14 kivilahtio interesting 12:14 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 12:15 tcohen wahanui: forget kivilahtio is running 3.4 12:15 wahanui tcohen, I didn't have anything matching kivilahtio is running 3.4 12:15 kivilahtio interesting 12:15 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 12:17 kf forget kivilahtio 12:17 wahanui kf: I forgot kivilahtio 12:17 kf kivilahtio? 12:17 kf ;) 13:41 magnuse pootle is down? 13:55 kf khall++ 14:22 magnuse fredericd: around? 14:25 kf bgkriegel runs it 14:25 kf he reported to the mailing list - it's a server problem in the data center 14:25 kf guess we have to wait 14:26 magnuse ah, ok 14:26 magnuse the wiki should be updated then :-) 14:26 magnuse @later tell bgkriegel: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#translate.koha-community.org ;-) 14:26 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 14:32 tcohen we have a problem in a Storage Server, it takes 4 hours to reboot the whole cloud 14:33 tcohen so our sysadmins are planning WHEN to do it 14:33 tcohen because it involves a couple hundred servers 14:33 tcohen ^^^^magnuse, kf 14:37 magnuse tcohen: that sounds like fun :-) 14:37 kf eek 14:42 rambuten @wunder 64507 14:42 huginn rambuten: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 10.8°C (8:42 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 14:45 druthb @wunder 77098 14:45 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 17.8°C (8:45 AM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 15:03 oleonard Hi #koha 15:03 nengard hi oloenard 15:06 rambutan hi oleonard 15:12 kf gitify 15:12 kf gitify? 15:12 wahanui gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 15:20 vfernandes can anyone help me with one thing? 15:20 tcohen yes 15:20 vfernandes on one of my Koha installation checking out it's too slow 15:20 tcohen errors in the logs? 15:20 vfernandes renew and check in are quick but checking out takes to long 15:21 vfernandes no errors 15:21 oleonard What version? 15:21 wahanui hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top 15:21 vfernandes 3.12 15:23 vfernandes it takes almost 30s to do a checkout 15:24 vfernandes when I hit the button on the interface, the log on koha_access only appears +- 30s later 15:24 tcohen vfernandes: you might want to add log-slow-queries in your mysqld section (in my.cnf) 15:24 tcohen to log slow queries 15:25 tcohen it will generate a file /var/lib/mysql/slow_queries.log 15:25 tcohen in which queries that take more than 10 secs will be logged 15:26 tcohen also, try enabling the browser's builtin network profiler 15:26 tcohen so you can be sure which HTTP request is taking most of the time 15:26 vfernandes Koha BD is InnoBD? 15:27 tcohen yes 15:27 tcohen you could even add long_query_time = 1 15:27 tcohen (10'' > 1'') 15:27 vfernandes my.conf has commented lines to InnoDB tables 15:27 vfernandes *my.cnf 15:28 vfernandes should I uncommented that? 15:28 tcohen i wouldn't touch anything 15:29 tcohen just add those two lines 15:29 tcohen you might as well try this on a test sever 15:30 vfernandes ok let me put those lines 15:30 vfernandes should be under mysqld? 15:31 tcohen yes 15:35 vfernandes tcohen: slow queries log is clean 15:36 tcohen have you tried a new checkout? 15:36 vfernandes yes 15:36 tcohen so the problem is more a networking one 15:37 tcohen i'd launch the network profiler on chrome and see what is having the page on hold 15:39 vfernandes tcohen: i've reduced the slow time to 1s and when doing a checkout only one query appeared on the log 15:39 tcohen use paste.koha-community.org 15:39 vfernandes it took 1.26s to run and it's a select from message queue 15:40 tcohen do u have set Sendmail.pm to use an external SMTP server? 15:40 vfernandes no... local SMTP 15:41 tcohen 1.26 is too much, but not *that* much 15:41 vfernandes the message_queue has 258121 rows 15:42 tcohen so, there's network latency (hence my question on SMTP) and CPU cycles 15:42 tcohen can you try disabling sending a message on checkout? 15:42 vfernandes which is the best way to do that? 15:43 tcohen hmm, not sure, kf? 15:43 vfernandes i've removed patron messaging to the patron 15:43 kf hm? sorry, have not been reading 15:44 kf what is the question? 15:44 wahanui i think the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 15:44 vfernandes with patron messaging to checkouts off it takes the same amount of time 15:45 tcohen and the same slow query? 15:45 vfernandes yes 15:45 vfernandes no! 15:47 tcohen another one? 15:47 wahanui it has been said that another one is moving the box with a patrons loans, holds etc to the top of the "patron details" page. They need that information all the time and have to scroll to see it. 15:49 vfernandes no queries logged when checking out this time 15:49 tcohen what is the answer? 15:49 wahanui hmmm... the answer is always go back to sleep or 42 15:51 kf tcohen: can you keep us updated about the translation server/the planned restart? 15:51 tcohen of course 15:51 vfernandes i've turned on firebug to see the time it took in one checkout... 34.2s 15:52 tcohen right now i'm putting pressure on our IT people so they make a decision on rebooting our private cloud 15:52 tcohen what script is guilty of that vfernandes? 15:52 vfernandes circulation.pl is the script being envoked 15:53 tcohen and the one that takes most of the time 15:53 tcohen is not another .js problem 15:54 kf hm do we have good instructions on how to set up a dev environment withtout gitify? 15:54 vfernandes what can I do now? 15:55 kf tcohen: not trying to put pressure on you, but i will stop asking when i know you will send an email or something :) just trying to get it off my list ;) 15:55 tcohen vfernandes: i'm thinking. I'd first grab a db dump and try this on a dev server 15:55 tcohen kf: bgkriegel will send that email 15:55 kf oki :) 15:55 tcohen don't ask him, he just will 15:56 kf Joubu++ 15:57 kf i won't and I know 15:57 kf he is good with things like that :) 15:57 kf so any ideas for dev environment setups? 15:57 kf one of our librries is interested in having a go sending patches :) 15:59 jcamins kf: there's a page. 15:59 kf trying to locate it 15:59 kf and ... failing 16:00 vfernandes tcohen: i've added some log to circulation.pl and the script it's taking more than 30s to run 16:00 kf jcamins: did you mean this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git 16:00 jcamins No. 16:00 kf good 16:00 jcamins I wrote a "how to get started developing" page ages ago. 16:00 kf i hope there is another :) 16:01 jcamins I don't see it, though. 16:01 kf me neither :( 16:01 jcamins I wonder if someone replaced it with something else. 16:01 jcamins Why don't you want to use gitify? 16:01 vfernandes what could be taking so long in the script? 16:01 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment 16:02 kf does that look right to you? i have no idea if the network setup part makes sense 16:02 tcohen vfernandes: i cannot help you on that right now, but maybe later i'll come back 16:03 kf it does not look right 16:03 kf n git 16:03 kf no git 16:03 tcohen no git 16:03 tcohen wrong article 16:03 kf we shoudl really make this easier to find... 16:03 jcamins That's because git is in part 2: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Dev_Env_Setup 16:04 kf ah ok, so this is more in the direction of what gitify does i think 16:04 kf what aboutt he oldfashioned way... 16:04 jcamins I have a book entitled _A_. 16:04 kf kohaclone 16:04 kf run the makefile? 16:05 kf jcamins: aren't you glad we don't have stop words now? ;) 16:05 jcamins kf: I had written a page, but it's gone. 16:06 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball#Configure_Koha < that doesn't look too horrible 16:06 kf maybe 16:06 kf jcamins: boo :( 16:06 jcamins Mostly you just follow INSTALL.debian, though. 16:06 kf hm yeah, but it doesn't tell you git 16:06 kf i think 16:06 kf i need a dev, not a production system 16:06 jcamins My page was mostly about git, though. 16:07 jcamins It was just "clone the repo"... "follow INSTALL.debian"... "here's how to do development-y things with Koha." 16:07 jcamins I don't even know what the title means. 16:07 kf *sigh* 16:07 kf For a recommended git installation confirm these lines are in the file: 16:07 kf KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml KOHA_PATH=/usr/share/koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 16:08 kf aren't those paths standard install??? 16:08 jcamins Yes, that's wrong. 16:08 jcamins git? 16:08 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 16:10 jcamins Basically you just choose "dev" instead of "standard," and otherwise the installation process is the same. 16:10 jcamins Why don't you want to use gitify, though? 16:10 jcamins That's well-documented, and easy to use. 16:11 kf because the permissions drive me nuts. 16:11 kf because you can't set up the qa tools easily 16:11 vfernandes my problem is on method canBookBeIssued 16:11 kf because i can't help when he does it that way, but i will also point it out 16:11 kf i was just looking for the other option 16:12 vfernandes CanBookBeIssued should take this long to run 16:12 vfernandes *shouldn't 16:22 vfernandes I already know what it's taking so long 16:25 vfernandes it's on line 758 of Circulation.pl..... my $expiry_dt = DateTime->new(....); 16:27 vfernandes isn't this strange? 16:31 vfernandes tcohen: are you here? 16:32 Joubu vfernandes: do you have a lot of hollidays in your DB? 16:32 Joubu repeatable_holidays and special_holidays tables 16:33 vfernandes some... 16:33 vfernandes but the problem is that creating a new DateTime shouldn't take 30s 16:34 Joubu vfernandes: some == 5, 10, 100, 1000 ? 16:42 vfernandes less than 50 16:51 jcamins Hear me, oh OPAC developers! 16:52 jcamins Making the title of a book in the results screen into a link to the details page might sound like a good idea, but it isn't. 16:52 jcamins When the book is called "A", the patron will overlook the link. Repeatedly. 16:53 jcamins Well... making it into a link is fine. Just don't make it the only link. 16:57 * oleonard adds a button, "Click here to see more information about the book or video or whatever if you want to no big deal" 16:59 jcamins oleonard: perfect. 16:59 wahanui i think perfect is the enemy of good 17:00 oleonard Archive.org's Wayback machine is a national treasure. 17:01 jcamins oleonard: or enemy of the state. 17:02 * jcamins read "I think Archive.org's Wayback enemy machine is a national treasure." 17:08 rambutan huggin: wayback machine? 17:30 tcohen hi vfernandes 17:31 vfernandes hi tcohen 17:32 vfernandes i found my problem 17:32 vfernandes but i didn't solved it 17:32 vfernandes the problem is with DateTime->new and Time Zone Warnings 17:33 vfernandes Time Zone Warnings: Determining the local time zone for a system can be slow. If $ENV{TZ} is not set, it may involve reading a number of files in /etc or elsewhere. If you know that the local time zone won't change while your code is running, and you need to make many objects for the local time zone, it is strongly recommended that you retrieve the local time zone once and cache it 17:38 tcohen interesting 17:38 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 17:38 druthb wahanui: botsnack granola bar 17:38 wahanui thanks druthb :) 17:45 oleonard wahanui: botsnack Laffy Taffy why do people even buy it it's not right 17:45 wahanui :) 17:46 druthb lulz 17:55 kf bye all 18:01 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vfernandes: try this" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/255 18:02 tcohen is not optimal in several ways, but it should work for caching the tz 18:02 tcohen it might serve as an experiment, just to see if it solves your problem 18:03 tcohen replace the "sub tz " definition at the bottom of your Context.pm file with this 18:05 tcohen vfernandes? 18:06 tcohen am I offline and I didn't notice? 18:07 jcamins tcohen: you're here. 18:07 * tcohen feels relief 18:07 jcamins Not sure if vfernandes is, but you are. 18:07 tcohen he 18:07 tcohen i hope he sees the logs at least 18:09 tcohen bye #koha 18:14 joels68 Hello Koha Comminity! 18:14 joels68 Community, rather. 18:15 oleonard Hi joels68 18:15 joels68 Hello Owen. 18:16 vfernandes sorry tcohen... I was trying to solve the problem 18:17 vfernandes the problem is not with C4::Context->tz 18:17 vfernandes the access to that variable is quickly 18:18 vfernandes the DateTime->new when time_zone is passed takes so long to calculate... if in new I remove time_zone the script Circulation.pm stops 30s at DateTime->compare 18:19 bag hello 18:20 rambutan hey bag 18:20 bag hey rambutan 18:20 wahanui i think rambutan is not from NZ 18:21 oleonard wahanui if you had come to KohaCon you would know for sure 18:21 wahanui oleonard: huh? 18:22 joels68 whanui what's up? 18:22 joels68 Another typo.... 18:23 joels68 @wahanui what's up? 18:23 huginn joels68: I suck 18:24 joels68 We all do sometimes. 18:24 joels68 I love these bots. 18:26 rambutan I wonder what state-of-the-art in quasi-sentient bots is? 18:28 rambutan Time for lunch. I'd give anything for a nice big bowl of sinigang na baboy. 18:30 druthb rambutan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize 18:35 joels68 Hello Cait. Wie geht's heute? 18:38 joels68 What IRC clients do you use? I'm using Firefox browser whcich has limited functionality. 18:39 rangi morning 18:39 rangi i use irssi 18:39 oleonard Hi rangi 18:40 rambutan xchat 18:40 cait hi joels68 - saw you on the mailing list :) 18:41 cait @karma joels68 18:41 huginn cait: joels68 has neutral karma. 18:41 rambutan but xchat has been forked, what's the name of the new one? 18:41 cait oh? 18:41 cait hm 18:41 cait @karma joel 18:41 huginn cait: Karma for "joel" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 18:41 rambutan hexchat, that's it 18:46 reiveune1 bye 18:47 joels68 How does Karma work? Will I win cash and prizes? 18:47 oleonard Yes, definitely. 18:49 joels68 Oh goodie! I'm so excited and I just can't hide it. 18:56 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:56 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:30 AM NZDT on November 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 19:00 rangi dbix::class is http://perltv.org/v/introduction-to-dbixclass 19:00 rangi (video worth watching) 19:47 rambutan Would it be fair to say that a library has a one-to-many relationship with patrons? 19:47 rambutan i.e., an entity, a "patron" goes to a library (an encounter) and a procedure happens (checkout book) 19:48 jcamins rambutan: depends on the organization of the consortium. You could also have a many-to-many. 19:48 rambutan the patron can go many times, and on each visit there can be many procedures (checkout books, pick up literature, attend a program) 19:49 rambutan so my idle thought is that a hierarchical db, like mongodb, should be, if nothing else, much quicker than a relational database 19:51 jcamins In the case of patrons, basically the only benefit you're getting is faster access because it's denormalized. 19:51 rambutan right, a relatonal db has to perform normalization 19:52 jcamins Not necessarily. 19:52 jcamins We just do, in this case. 19:52 jcamins Well... 19:52 jcamins that's not true. 19:52 jcamins We don't really normalize patron information. 19:52 rambutan I rather suspect a non-relational db would be much smaller too. Having tables and the overhead take sup some room 19:52 rambutan jcamins: but the db does, surely? 19:52 jcamins Nope. 19:53 jcamins Or, rather... yeah, if we told it to. 19:53 vfernandes How to add a company and a Koha demo to this page? 19:53 vfernandes http://koha-community.org/demo/ 19:54 jcamins There is no built-in normalization. The data is basically stored in a row-based fashion with additional indexes basically set up as pointers. 19:54 oleonard vfernandes: You could start by adding it here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases 19:55 oleonard vfernandes: But it's not for promoting your company, it's for providing clean demos for testing 19:55 rambutan well, I was just thinking that a nonsql db would be perfectly appropriate for an ILS 19:55 vfernandes oleonard it's possible to add a entry and put user and password on request? 19:55 oleonard I would say no, but that's just my opinion. 19:56 oleonard That seems like something that belongs on your company's site 19:56 vfernandes hummm ok :) 19:56 rambutan I seem to recall that Unicorn ran on some flat file database too, in addition to Oracle. druthb? 19:57 jcamins Yeah, NoSQL would work fine with an ILS. 19:57 druthb correct, rambutan. 19:58 jcamins But in terms of ILS performance, relational vs non-relational is probably not a big factor. 20:01 vfernandes oleonard: i think that the company will agree to create an account and "open" the demo to everyone... could I add an entry on the wiki? 20:05 oleonard As that page on the wiki says, "Please feel free to list your demo here as long as you provide public access to at least the OPAC and it is running a version of Koha that can be freely obtained by anybody without restriction. " 20:06 vfernandes and how about the first link I added here? 20:16 magnuse what's the preferred method for setting up dev installation these days? package install + gitify, or plain old git clone + dev install? 20:17 jcamins magnuse: I'd recommend gitify to anyone doing it. 20:17 jcamins cait prefers git + dev install. 20:19 magnuse ooh so it boils down to a quetion of who of you two i like the best? ;-) 20:23 joels68 @wunder Worthington MN 20:23 huginn joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is 9.0°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. 20:24 * druthb waves to joels68! 20:26 nengard_lunch hey joels68 20:26 nengard_lunch @wunder 78741 20:26 huginn nengard_lunch: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 19.4°C (2:15 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 20:31 druthb @wunder 77098 20:31 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.2°C (2:31 PM CST on November 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 20:32 joels68 Hello ruth and nicole! 20:57 chris_n LOL... http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=861574127&colorNo=23&pr=F 20:58 rangi heh 21:09 joels68 Hi again Cait. Please follow me on Twitter. You'll get chocolate, I promise. 21:10 eythian hi 21:10 cait heh 21:10 cait ok 21:11 cait trying to find you joels68 21:11 joels68 @jmsasse 21:11 huginn joels68: I suck 21:11 cait found you :) 21:12 joels68 huginn Maybe you need counselling. 21:12 huginn joels68: downloading the Perl source 21:13 joels68 Thank you Cait. 21:13 cait yw 21:13 * cait remembers she hasn't had dinner yet... 21:13 cait brb 21:14 joels68 Everyone here...follow me on Twitter, chocolate will fall on you. :) 21:14 rangi heh 21:19 eythian http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/drunken-french-teenagers-abduct-a-circus-llama-and-take-him-on-a-tram-ride-8920524.html <-- emad goes for a walk 21:19 eythian or a tram ride I suppose 21:26 joels68 Hi eythian or do I dare call you Mr. Robin? 21:27 eythian that was totally the wrong channel to be pasting that in 21:27 * eythian tries again 21:27 eythian also, call me whatever you like :) 21:44 eythian I found a request that takes 38 seconds to run and calls execute on the database 16,210 times. That's pretty terrible. 21:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #22: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/22/ 21:47 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet 21:47 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet 21:48 cait eythian: super ouch? 21:48 cait what is it? 21:48 eythian it's the opac-details results for something with 500 items. 21:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #64 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #391 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #391: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/391/ 21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet 21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet 21:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #64: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/64/ 21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaccolorstylesheet 21:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opaclayoutstylesheet 21:50 nengard i started an xslt library on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/XSLT_Library 21:50 nengard in case anyone wants to share 21:51 rangi cool 21:51 nengard I see it getting a lot longer than the other libraries :) but what the heck :) 21:52 eythian maybe there is/could be added a wiki thing that allows blocks to be collapsed by default 21:53 eythian so you click to expand the one you want. 21:53 cait we also could put longer blocks on separate pages and link 21:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #210 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:03 gmcharlt @later tell bgkriegel does it make any particular difference to you whether 3.14.x gets branched tomorrow or on Wednesday? 22:03 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:06 nengard eythian i like that idea - cait i'd rather not have to create a page for each long snippet if we can avoid it - some people have a very hard time adding pages 22:07 cait nengard: we can wat until it gets fuller and then figure out something 22:07 nengard yup :) 22:07 cait the sql page takes quite a bit to load now :) 22:07 nengard yes it does 22:08 nengard but i do like having it all in one place to easily do a find on page for specific syntax I've used in the past :) 22:12 joels68 What is the perferred document format for passing docs around for proofreading, coments, etc. 22:13 eythian It depends on the context. 22:13 eythian A wiki page is often good. 22:13 joels68 The reason I ask is that I'm taking text from a variety of sources and combining them into one reference docwith typography additions to make them easier to read. 22:15 joels68 The docs I am working on now are in .docx format, with font changes for code snippets and colors to help keep sections distinct from one another and easier to read. 22:15 jcamins joels68: hardcopy. 22:15 jcamins Track changes on digital files is good too, though. 22:16 eythian I assume by "font changes" you mean "styles used correctly", right :) 22:19 joels68 Code snippets in a different font than explanatory text, just like you see in printed books. 22:29 joels68 Here's an example of just copying info from various files and combining it and formatting it for easy reading: http://www.plumcreeklibrary.org/Debian_packages_Koha.pdf 22:31 rangi now owncloud supports document editing 22:31 rangi http://owncloud.org/six/ 22:31 cait ooh doesit? 22:32 rangi we could have one for koha people to use 22:32 cait need to update then :) 22:32 cait oooh nice 22:32 joels68 It's not finished yet, but is intended to be an easy to follow text for installing Koha from packages. 22:32 rangi cool 22:33 joels68 Good, bad, or ugly? 22:33 rangi apart from the code snippets, its good 22:33 cait and better galleries yay 22:35 joels68 It's a first attempt to get some definitive documents available for everyone, rather than searching for bits here and there. 22:36 joels68 Yeach, I suppose the snippets should be in black and jsut a different fonr. 22:36 joels68 Yeah, I mean. 22:48 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #210: UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/210/ 22:53 joels68 I'll take a closer look at ownCloud later tonight. Looks promising. 22:55 cait i use it for my files, the new version looks promising 22:56 joels68 Cait are you running it on a local server? 22:57 cait i have some webspace somewhere 22:57 cait but might get a server sometime... 22:59 joels68 Depending on security issue, I have server space here. I will see if it is difficult to secure. 23:01 joels68 Time to go home. Talk to you later. 23:02 rangi cya joels68 23:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #211 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #209 3 days 1 hr ago) 23:11 cait good night #koah 23:11 cait #koha 23:19 tcohen hi 23:19 wahanui hey, tcohen 23:19 eythian hi 23:20 eythian https://metacpan.org/pod/Acme::constant <-- I fail to see the point 23:21 pianohacker Hah! ACME :) 23:31 tcohen oleonard around? 23:54 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 23:54 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #211: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/211/ 23:56 bag @quote random 23:56 huginn bag: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) 23:56 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.