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00:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1479: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1479/
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing patron lists help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Authorities Help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in Catalog help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update main help files
00:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Lists Help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Add missing authority merge help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update links in label help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update patron card creator help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update tag tool help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update plugins help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update suggestion help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Offline Circ Help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Remove Unused Help File
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reviews Help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update holds help
00:08 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Update Reports Help
00:08 admindude Hi, all
00:09 admindude just upgraded from 3.0 to 3.26 via git. My bibliographies are missing from search but are there when I export via csv
00:13 rangi 3.2.6 you mean?
00:13 rangi ok then
00:14 wizzyrea eep
01:37 rambutan off topic, sorry, but couldn't resist the graphic. http://x2t.com/2/bug
01:40 wizzyrea ewww
03:00 mtompset Is there a reason the ids don't align between bootstrap and prog?
03:00 mtj wow!, have people seen this Koha theme… -> http://library.rijksmuseum.nl
03:00 mtj ...my favourite Koha ever :)
03:00 mtj heya mtompset
03:00 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry
03:01 mtompset Greetings, mtj. :)
03:02 mtj mtompset, i thinks they should align always… prolly a little bug there
03:03 eythian why would they need to line up?
03:04 eythian there's no real reason they would have to, and different designs can mean it doesn't make sense.
03:04 jcamins They should not align.
03:04 jcamins If they were the same, that would be bad.
03:04 * jcamins leaves.
03:09 mtj hmm, really? i kinda assumed that element ids might be crucial to functionality in koha
03:09 * jcamins sticks his head back in.
03:10 eythian they're only useful for CSS and JS, and as they're both particular to the theme, the koha code shouldn't care.
03:10 eythian with the exception of opacuser* type stuff
03:10 jcamins mtj: think about it. If the IDs were the same, existing customizations would just break the OPAC.
03:10 eythian but that should be made to fit your theme anyway.
03:10 jcamins Anything that isn't organized the same way really shouldn't be named the same way.
03:11 mtj ps: i'm very happy to be corrected here :p
03:11 jcamins Proof of that can be seen in the #login id that was given to two entirely different controls at one point.
03:12 jcamins If you try out switching themes and keeping the same ID after rearranging, you'll see what I mean.
03:17 mtj ok, thanks for the info guys - i'll take a look, and prove this to myself :)
03:17 wizzyrea theoretically, you should pick one at install time, and theme on top of that.
03:17 wizzyrea the only problem comes when you change
03:18 wizzyrea and we're talking about nuking the other two anyway.
03:18 eythian I prefer the idea of making one default and transitioning to that. If you make it too easy for people to pick the wrong one, you'll have to delay deprecating it.
03:18 wizzyrea ^^^ so much this
03:21 wizzyrea nuking perhaps was a strong word.
03:21 wizzyrea gently wishing them well and highly suggesting that people not use them.
03:21 eythian actually, I meant removing rather than deprecating.
03:22 mtompset well, if they aren't in the list, you kind of have to do magic in MySQL and in the appropriate directories to get them back.
03:22 wizzyrea kek.
03:22 eythian Just the directories, mysql doesn't care.
03:22 mtompset oh right... the choices are in the pref file.
03:22 wizzyrea you shouldn't be using that theme, you should be customizing on top of the default theme.
03:23 wizzyrea yes, transition, I get that.
03:23 eythian no, I think that the options are worked out by looking at the directories. Not 100% sure though.
03:23 eythian they are for languages.
03:23 wizzyrea ^^ pretty sure this is true
03:23 wizzyrea plonking another theme in there gives the option
03:24 mtompset anyways... looks like I'll be wrestling CSS to get the color-scheme back to the browns we are looking for.
03:24 wizzyrea and it's good if your existing customisations break the opac, that means you know there are things to fix.
03:24 eythian you've got two full releases to do it in, anyway :)
03:24 wizzyrea ^^^
03:25 mtompset actually, less, because I have to insert a custom patch.
03:26 mtompset but yes, technically two.
03:26 * eythian uploads new packages
03:26 wizzyrea theming is best done with css included with opaccolor
03:27 wizzyrea and not touching the default styles
03:27 mtompset .actions a.hold {
03:27 mtompset background-image: url("../images/sprite.png");
03:27 wizzyrea sure that could go in opaccolor
03:27 * eythian has uploaded new packages
03:27 wizzyrea whee!
03:27 eythian probably should do a master build too
03:27 mtompset Can someone confirm if that sprite.png file still exists?
03:27 mtompset This is from bootstrap, as far as I can tell.
03:27 eythian $ find -name sprite.png
03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/sprite.png
03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/images/sprite.png
03:27 eythian ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/images/sprite.png
03:28 eythian that's 3.12.06
03:29 mtompset So, why is ../images/sprite.png failing to load in firebug?
03:29 mtompset Oh... now it loads.
03:29 mtompset GRRR...
03:42 Joels68 Hello. Anyone here?
03:43 eythian There are a few people here.
03:43 eythian Hello.
03:46 Joels68 I'm an IRC newbie and just checking in to say hello. I'm from the US. Just attended KohaCon
03:52 Joels68 I'm Joel from the Plum Creek Library System In Minnesota, current Koha user.
03:52 wizzyrea cool hi joel :)
03:52 * mtj waves to joel and wiz
03:53 Joels68 Hello. I met your coworkers from NEKLS at the con.
03:53 wizzyrea sup mtj :)
03:53 wizzyrea ah yea, good folks those.
03:53 wizzyrea my old coworkers ;) and one of my new ones too probably
03:54 mtj me so jealous of the all the KohaCon attendees!
03:54 Joels68 I'm looking to become more active in the community.
03:54 Joels68 It was a great time. Met a lot of great Koha people.
03:54 mtj Joels68, how long has plum-creek been running koha?
03:55 Joels68 Since March 2012.
03:55 mtj ok ok :)
03:56 Joels68 Love the system and it keeps getting better every day.
03:59 Joels68 mtj from Australia?
04:00 Joels68 I recognize wiz but haven't met you yet.
04:01 mtj close-ish… wgtn, nz
04:01 Joels68 OK.
04:03 mtj sorry, wellington - new zealand :)
04:04 Joels68 S'OK. We use wgtn here for Worthington, MN USA, where I'm at.
04:04 Joels68 I kinda guessed it was wellington.
04:07 mtj slightly off-topic but…. does reno do crazy vegas style dinner buffets?
04:07 mtj i wanna know what people were eating at kohacon13 :p
04:07 Joels68 Question about IRC. Right now I'm using Firefox to connect but I have an IRC client that asks for passwords and such to connect. Are these needed?
04:08 mtj no, not needed - but an option
04:08 Joels68 Reno is toned down a bit from vegas. The hotel had a decent buffet but we took in some local fare too.
04:08 mtj you can register your 'nickname', with a password, on an irc server
04:09 mtj so, if you like ''joel68' - and want to spot someone from stealling it…. register your nick with a password
04:10 mtj (most people often cant be bothered, to do this step)
04:11 eythian @wunder nzwn
04:11 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
04:11 mtj Joels68, yeah, always important to try the local fare :)
04:12 Joels68 Pirates Pizza was popular. Enormous pizzas.
04:13 Joels68 Went there with Chris C, Martin, and Cait.
04:17 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:17 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:17 * Oak waves
04:17 mtompset well, made some progress on styling under bootstrap. :)
04:18 mtompset Now, to go catch some sleep.
04:18 Oak ah sleep is good
04:18 Oak good night
04:18 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
04:18 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak eythian wizzyrea Joels68 wahanui mtj. ;)
04:18 eythian later
04:19 Oak Mister Robin!
04:19 eythian hi Oak
04:19 Oak hello
04:19 eythian I was at the Oaks for lunch today, in fact.
04:19 Oak hm, amusing.
04:20 Oak :)
04:21 Joels68 Time for some sleep here too. Tuesday hasn't started yet.
04:21 Oak later dude
04:21 eythian tuesday is almost done here!
04:21 Oak started here
04:22 Joels68 Yes, you are in the future. Was it a good day?
04:25 Joels68 Nice chatting with all of you. Good night.
04:48 tm Hi there.
04:49 eythian hi
04:49 wahanui niihau, eythian
04:50 tm I've got a update problem. Why is it a book that has been catalogue doesn't show up in the search result? But if I generate a report it is there.
04:53 eythian tm: by default the search indicies are updated every 5 minutes, are you trying too fast?
04:55 vinz3g hi,
04:55 tm Nope. waited for days and it is still the same. Is there any log I can check for index updating?
04:55 vinz3g as I can enable my koha to be a public Z39.50 server
04:55 vinz3g ?
04:55 eythian tm: well, it should be run from cron. How do you have Koha installed, packages or some other method?
04:56 eythian vinz3g: you can I believe. I think you'll need to edit koha-conf.xml to do it, but I don't know the details.
04:57 vinz3g If I'm working on it, but really have not found much new and I'm really confused about what parameters edit
04:58 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server <-- vinz3g, have you seen this?
05:00 vinz3g eythian: if and returns me the following: connecting errors = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused
05:01 eythian vinz3g: I don't know sorry, it might be worth posting to the mailing list and including your configs (without passwords :) and log messages.
05:01 vinz3g ok, thanks
05:16 vinz3g hi, I need restart zebra
05:16 vinz3g thanks
06:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #356 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:39 dpk1 eythian: I think I have addressed all the issues raised so far. Please have another look.
06:47 * magnuse waves
06:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #356: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/356/
06:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.8.19
06:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Release notes for 3.8.19
06:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Koha 3.8.19 release
07:32 reiveune hello
08:15 * magnuse waves again
08:20 clrh hello
08:20 magnuse bonjour clrh
08:21 magnuse @wunder boo
08:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975 hPa (Steady).
08:21 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:24 gaetan_B hello
08:40 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
09:06 kivilahtio Hi I have a git-related problem. I have a branch ItemFilter, where I have the following commits, bug_11129 -> bug_6385 -> bug_11157. Each commit has a tag named patch11129, patch6385, patch11157. I realized bug_6385 has a bug and needs to be modified. So i ran 'git reset --hard patch6385', modified code, ran 'git commit --amend', now I need to get back to previous HEAD by running 'git reset --hard patch11157'. Now I am at my original HEAD, but
09:06 kivilahtio the changes to bug_6385 are not present. Is there something wrong with my git-workflow? How do you solve these issues?
09:07 kivilahtio I guess this queestion gets asked a lot.
09:13 kivilahtio maybe using git rebase like this link suggests http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1186535/how-to-modify-a-specified-commit
09:14 kivilahtio lol I cant I borke something
09:14 kivilahtio git is bad boy
09:20 agnet hi all
09:20 agnet I am trying to install koha
09:21 agnet with packages as it was suggested to me yesterday
09:21 agnet and I am having some problems with this line
09:21 agnet wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
09:21 agnet the error is this
09:21 agnet --2013-10-29 10:19:50-- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc Resolving debian.koha-community.org (debian.koha-community.org)... 67.220.127.145 Connecting to debian.koha-community.org (debian.koha-community.org)|67.220.127.145|:80... ERROR: This command can only be used by root. connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 51879 (51K) [text/plain] Saving to: `STDOUT' 0% [ ] 0
09:21 agnet Cannot write to `-' (Broken pipe).
09:22 agnet can you help me
09:22 agnet ?
09:22 ashimema is your user in the sudo group on your system?
09:23 agnet meaning
09:23 agnet ??
09:23 agnet how can I check
09:23 agnet how can I check
09:24 agnet ?
09:24 ashimema no need to repeat yourself agnet ;)
09:24 agnet thats a mistake
09:24 agnet sorry
09:24 agnet new laptop
09:24 agnet :(
09:25 ashimema cat /etc/group
09:25 ashimema you user should be appended to the line starting with 'sudo'
09:25 agnet root:x:0:
09:26 ashimema somthig like 'sudo:x:27:koha'
09:26 ashimema my user is koha (in this case)
09:26 ashimema that's assuming you have sudo installed.. I think it's installed by defautl in ubuntu (are you still using ubuntu.. did you update it since yesrday?)
09:28 magnuse to me it looks like that command never gets as far as the sudo part...
09:28 agnet thanks for your help
09:28 agnet yes I have updated to 12.01
09:28 agnet can't update it to 13
09:28 ashimema 12.04 you mean ;)
09:28 agnet yes sorry :)
09:28 ashimema 12.04 is perfect.. that's the LTS version and is best supported by koha
09:29 agnet ok.. thanks
09:29 agnet that line now worked thanks for your help
09:29 ashimema great.. glad I could help :)
09:29 agnet :)
09:30 ashimema magnus: I'de have agreed with you, but I couldn't think of any reason wget would be locked down to root by default.
09:30 agnet When I ran sudo apt-get update
09:30 agnet this message came up
09:30 agnet W: Failed to fetch http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeze/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
09:31 agnet is this good
09:31 agnet can I continue on installing
09:31 ashimema that's a tad odd.
09:31 agnet ??
09:31 ashimema one second, just going to go through my notes.. it's a while since I installed on ubuntu
09:31 kivilahtio agnet: Are your apt-get sources.list directives ok for the Koha packages
09:32 agnet ashima: thanks
09:32 agnet kivilahtio: can you be more specific
09:32 kivilahtio agnet: /etc/apt/sources.list
09:32 kivilahtio agnet: somewhere in your Ubuntu installation instructions you need to define the Koha packages url
09:33 kivilahtio agnet: You should double check that
09:33 agnet etc apt sources list no such file or directory
09:33 kivilahtio agnet: does your apt-get work? If you type 'sudo apt-get install lynx' does it work?
09:33 agnet I am following step by step from this link
09:33 agnet http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
09:34 agnet yes that line works fine
09:34 kivilahtio agnet you hav a typo
09:34 agnet where
09:34 agnet ?
09:34 kivilahtio agnet: did you copy paste this directive?
09:34 kivilahtio echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
09:35 agnet yes
09:35 kivilahtio hmm
09:35 agnet that is what I copied
09:35 kivilahtio the url you posted says squeze, while this I posted from to link, says squeeze
09:35 kivilahtio I dont know how packages work but you could try with two ee's
09:36 agnet thanks worked
09:36 agnet :)
09:36 agnet for a small mistake
09:36 agnet haha
09:37 * magnuse waves to petter
09:38 petter hi all
09:38 agnet now when I come to the Intial Configuration Part
09:38 kivilahtio agnet: You need to slow down and take your time. When I started with linux I was just bashing around, then I was bashing my head to a wall. You need to read verrry carefully and understand what you are doing
09:39 agnet what do I need to enter the domain etc
09:39 agnet what should I do
09:39 kivilahtio agnet: Don't repeat my mistakes. Understand what you are doing, don't just settle for apt-get install, figure out what really happens. Otherwise you will have hard time all the time
09:40 agnet yes I know kivilahtio. I am not a linux person I am a Microsoft person
09:40 agnet and this is just for once
09:40 kivilahtio agnet: And the transition is a pain in the ass
09:40 agnet yea I know... I don't like it very much... Thankfully I will do this once
09:40 agnet :)
09:40 kivilahtio :)
09:41 kivilahtio just copy paste
09:41 kivilahtio agnet should work
09:41 kivilahtio tho you can access the koha server only from the local machine unless you do some dns stuff
09:41 kivilahtio agnet: you need to know apache2 to modify this
09:42 kivilahtio agnet: mainly the ports and servernames and prefix/suffix
09:42 agnet Koha will be installed locally only and then I connect the laptop to the router and forward port to it
09:42 agnet so it is accessed from outside
09:42 kivilahtio agnet: you need to call the koha server with the serverName, not ip
09:43 agnet that is why I
09:43 agnet did not used packages
09:43 kivilahtio agnet: you can modify the apache2 configs just the same
09:43 agnet as I don't know what I need to do from now on
09:43 kivilahtio well, that is a apache2-problem
09:44 agnet can you tell me step by step how to do this please
09:44 agnet ?
09:45 kivilahtio I can tell you that you need to change the ports, say 80 for OPAC and 8080 for intranet. Then you need to listen to those ports from apache2. Then you need to modify the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/your-koha-configuration to allow access to intranet and OPAC from all IP's
09:46 kivilahtio and make sure the access is not limited ny the serverName directive
09:46 agnet and for the Domain Name??
09:46 agnet it is on a local machine
09:46 kivilahtio I don't know you intranet topography back where you come from
09:47 agnet so I don't have a domain
09:47 kivilahtio then leave it empty
09:47 agnet ok tks
09:47 kivilahtio agnet: take care!
09:47 agnet and for the intrasuffix
09:47 agnet ?
09:47 agnet will leave it as it is
09:47 kivilahtio try
09:47 agnet ?
09:48 kivilahtio I said you can get it running
09:48 kivilahtio with the defaults
09:48 kivilahtio so get it running, tweak from there
09:48 agnet ok thanks
09:51 kivilahtio agnet: Also you can access many Koha test server around the world. Not sure why you need to install Koha, but if you are just testing it is easier to just use a demo server and a manual
09:51 agnet I just need Koha to be able to cataloge and then export them and import them in another system
09:52 kivilahtio agnet: maybe you could just buy that service?
09:53 kivilahtio agnet: there are some configuration that needs to be done to be able to catalog and esp. import your data
09:53 kivilahtio anget, especialyl if it is a short-term issue for you
09:54 kivilahtio and you don't need linux experience in your organization
09:57 agnet can't do that.. My organization where I work with.. need Koha to catalog books/digital and then when ready... they export the data by exporting them
09:57 agnet and then import them to another system..
09:57 agnet aleph
09:59 agnet I have another problem
09:59 agnet System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator
09:59 agnet getting this message
10:01 agnet how can I solve it please
10:01 agnet how can I solve it please?
10:01 agnet ups sorry for the double
10:01 agnet keyboard
10:01 agnet !!!
10:02 agnet sudo a2enmod deflate
10:02 agnet I did those steps
10:02 agnet and no error
10:04 agnet someone?
10:04 wahanui someone is, like, missing
10:05 magnuse agnet: you get that error from the opac as long as you have not run the web installer, which you access at the address for the intranet
10:06 magnuse so try http://localhost:8080/
10:06 magnuse if you used 8080 for the intranet port
10:08 agnet and how can I do the web installer
10:08 agnet which command to run
10:08 agnet ?
10:10 agnet ??
10:12 agnet magnuse: which command please?
10:15 agnet as I need it please
10:15 magnuse you need to access the intranet in a web browser
10:15 magnuse so try http://localhost:8080/
10:16 agnet that worked
10:16 agnet and then
10:16 agnet ?
10:17 magnuse you need to log in there and answer the questions/options
10:18 agnet ok thanks
10:20 agnet it worked
10:21 agnet last question
10:21 agnet is there a way to change the default password please
10:24 magnuse leave the password you used now as it is
10:25 magnuse the first thing you should do is create a new user and give it superlibrarian rights
10:25 magnuse then you should never use the "database user" again
10:26 agnet ok thanls
10:26 agnet thanks
11:43 kivilahtio When was the total Koha rewrite due ? ;)
11:43 kivilahtio just looking at request.pl :)
12:08 petter I don't think total rewrite will ever happen
12:09 petter Nor is it necessarily a good idea
12:09 petter http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
12:12 petter It’s harder to read code than to write it.
12:12 kivilahtio wow a good article and true, but you should take a look at request.pl :)
12:13 kivilahtio I mean why are all items pulled from DB many times and copied over from array to array
12:13 petter hehe
12:13 petter well, well
12:14 kivilahtio or even worse, iterated to compare some itemnumber to other
12:14 petter right
12:14 petter While rewrite might be a bad idea - refactoring is maybe a better one
12:14 kivilahtio petter: I am not saing the whole Koha should be overwritten, but some parts definetely have been tinkered way past bedtime
12:14 petter I mean
12:14 kivilahtio petter ++
12:14 petter one should continously refactor
12:14 petter sure
12:14 kivilahtio but this is a very good article thanks for that!
12:15 petter Yea, its a famous article, I saw it referenced many places
12:16 petter And I think Koha is slowly but surely is getting refactored from old prodedural code into more object oriented style
12:16 petter Just look at the differences from directory C4 and Koha
12:18 kivilahtio petter: yup
12:18 petter oh, request.pl indeed looks messy!
12:18 kivilahtio yup :)
12:37 kf petter: it's because holds are insane...
12:37 kf my theory at least :)
12:38 petter yes, reality is messy, so sooner or later code becomes messy too
12:38 petter :)
12:46 kivilahtio kf: I agree that holds are messy
12:47 kivilahtio kf: And we should even have more complex holds
12:47 kivilahtio kf: Like being able to place substitute holds, So we can hold 4 biblios/items, and if any of them is reserved, then other holds are nulled
12:50 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Does this mean I'll have to go to Koha conferences to get salmiakki in the future? :p
12:57 kivilahtio Dyrcona: wow, no idea. We are working on that. After two weeks we have a meeting in Oulu where we decide should we choose Koha or Evergreen or Nothing
12:57 * Dyrcona votes for Nothing. :p
12:57 kivilahtio Dyrcona: But I have a gut feeling I am not participating to library conferences any time soon ;(
12:58 kivilahtio Dyrcona: So you might have to import your salmiakki from somewhere else
12:58 Dyrcona :)
12:58 kivilahtio Dyrcona: but the way things are progressing I am veering towards Nothing as well
12:59 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Trouble is all library software is pretty much equally bad, and the commercial products are often worse.
12:59 kivilahtio Dyrcona: yeah I have noticed
12:59 Dyrcona kivilahtio: I put the blame on the crap "standards" that library software must adhere to.
13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I am not so sure the issue is with MARC or SIP2
13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: The requirements are just really complex
13:00 kivilahtio Dyrcona: Business logic is crazy, especially when it comes to holds and circulation
13:01 kivilahtio Dyrcona: I didn't know there are so many ways to place a hold
13:01 Dyrcona kivilahtio: There's that, too. We often hear contradictory things from our consortium members regarding requirements.
13:02 kivilahtio Dyrcona: wow that's hard. And try to make compromises :)
13:03 Dyrcona kivilahtio: Yeah. "We want it simple, except for this and this and that, oh and that thing, too." :)
13:04 * Dyrcona wonders how complicated SAP is, 'cause we're basically writing SAP for libraries.
13:04 magnuse "an ils is just a database, with crazy rules"
13:05 Dyrcona magnuse: No. It must also be a discovery platform, an accounting system, inventory control, etc.
13:06 magnuse Dyrcona: yes, a database that is bent to do all those things
13:06 kivilahtio Dyrcona: And this library shouldnt be able to modify this librarys items but it should be able to modify the patrons. This library and this library MUST be able to float material together but not with any other library
13:06 kivilahtio lol my colleagues no longer even say bye bye to me when they leave office
13:06 kivilahtio it's this bad here :)
13:07 kivilahtio I guess I am the bad boy now by saying that we arent making progress with Evergreen and will fail our deadlines if we don't do something
13:07 kivilahtio anyway, back to request.pl :)
13:08 kivilahtio Dyrcona: btw, what is SAP?
13:08 Dyrcona http://www.sap.com/
13:09 Dyrcona The be-all, do-all software for business, an ILS for industry.
13:10 Dyrcona "You don't modify SAP to suit your business. You modify your business to suit SAP."
13:10 magnuse more modularity would probably be good
13:12 kivilahtio magnuse: totally, atleast data accessors should be centralized
13:12 kivilahtio magnuse: Currently there are many ways to pull different kinds of Items from the DB
13:12 kivilahtio that is confusing
13:13 Dyrcona And here I thought options were good. Choice is good, right? ;)
13:13 magnuse :-)
13:13 kivilahtio Dyrcona: Just extended GetItemsInfo() to support custom filters, like fromDate or volume or issue. But because Items data is accessed from so many different places, my filter is only good for this one access method
13:14 kivilahtio This is a BIG problme
13:22 magnuse i wonder if DBIx::Class will help make that sort of thing better
13:24 khall magnuse: I do believe we should be able to add custom column filters using dbic
13:24 khall http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/lib/DBIx/Class/FilterColumn.pod
13:25 kivilahtio Hibernate for Perl?
13:25 khall basically
13:27 magnuse i was thinking of centralizing data access methods, but i suspect there is a world of potential hiding in dbic
13:27 kivilahtio I smell trouble :) The great thing with Koha's random and rancid SQL accessors is the ease of understanding the code
13:28 kivilahtio using a DB abstraction layer will increase the learning curve
13:28 kivilahtio but regarding how easy it is to get into Koha, I think it might be a great idea
13:29 magnuse :-)
13:29 kivilahtio With evergreen I hated it's db-abstraction layer. That was because I never really understood it.
13:29 kivilahtio But here we actually have a documented Perl library to do it
13:30 kivilahtio reagrdless DBIx is the way to go
13:30 kivilahtio if we ever ge tto vote or something
13:34 oleonard Hi #koha
13:38 magnuse kivilahtio: it's too late to vote, bug 8798 is already pushed to stable ;-)
13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Pushed to Master , Add the use of DBIx::Class
13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: hi there!
13:39 magnuse s/stable/master/
13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: You need to verify my UI design!
13:39 magnuse hiya oleonard
13:39 kivilahtio magnuse: and I knew it! This is a tyranny!
13:39 oleonard kivilahtio: ?
13:39 kivilahtio oleonard: http://193.65.112.189/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=26484&clearFilter=Clear+filter
13:39 jcamins kivilahtio: voting and discussion went on for over a year.
13:40 kivilahtio oleonard: regarding bug_11129
13:40 kivilahtio jcamins: just kidding, don't shoot me
13:41 kivilahtio oleonard: You have seen this, but with the "clear filter"-button, do I really need to use a plain link?
13:42 oleonard I think it would be more consistent with the OPAC in general to use plain links for both, perhaps with accompanying icons from (or added to) the sprite
13:42 kivilahtio oleonard: how do you suggest i use those icons?
13:43 kivilahtio in this case you are prolly taking about the arrow down icon?
13:45 oleonard See search results or lists for examples of how plain links are styled with icons to help clarify their purpose
13:46 oleonard the "more searches" menu on the detail page shows an example of the arrow indicator being used
13:47 oleonard I'm not the king of the OPAC, but I do have strong opinions. You're welcome to rally counter-opinions
13:47 kivilahtio oleonard: I heard you are the UI expert and I think I trust your judgement
13:47 kivilahtio oleonard: I will apply the fix per your instructions
13:51 magnuse bonjour paul_p
13:51 kivilahtio hi paul_p
13:51 paul_p hi northern guys !
13:51 paul_p ( hi southerns too ;-) )
13:51 kivilahtio Scandinavian Union?
13:52 kivilahtio I heard Sweden is almost to Koha as well
13:52 kivilahtio so...
13:52 rambutan kivilahtio: are you an evergreen dev?
13:52 kivilahtio We just need a committee I guess
13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: well, no. I got frustrated as hell working with it
13:52 paul_p kivilahtio why not. Not sure norway will join the union. At least as long as they've an oil treasure under their feet :D
13:52 rambutan ah, ok.
13:52 kivilahtio rambutan: But I have been building our server cluster to run it :=
13:53 paul_p rambutan = do you want to depress kivilahtio ? it's not a friendly question :D
13:53 kivilahtio rambutan: But I maye be able to answer some questions, but I feel like Dyrcona is a better Evergreen dev.
13:53 rambutan no, it's just that I read something about EG moving to a browser based interface, and I was wondering about the status of that
13:53 rambutan no big deal
13:54 kivilahtio rambutan: that's true, and a big relief for the community. Their staff client is based on some ancient Xulrunner they cannot migrate from. This has been a huge handicap for Evergreen. Did you get the eta for the transition?
13:54 * oleonard suspects gmcharlt would have knowledge of this
13:55 rambutan no, I just skimmed some article, and don't recall any details
13:55 jcamins As would jeff, I bet.
13:55 magnuse hola tcohen
13:55 rambutan actullly gmcharlt would probably know, I'll ask him sometime
13:56 kivilahtio rambutan: I think funding is being raised to do the migration to web based.
13:56 rambutan ic
13:56 Dyrcona rambutan: The browser based interface is not yet a complete proof of concept, but some groups are gathering funds to begin the exploratory work.
13:56 kivilahtio rambutan: Too bad it won't help our migration deadlines
13:56 rambutan is there currently a linux client for EG?
13:57 kivilahtio you need to compile it
13:57 jcamins Yeah, the staff client is XULrunner based.
13:57 kivilahtio first you install the EG server (good luck with that) then you try to figure out how the hell you compile the staff client
13:57 kivilahtio for linux
13:57 Dyrcona Pfft.... It's cake.
13:57 oleonard I have enough trouble getting Chatzilla running under XULrunner ;)
13:58 kivilahtio but the documentation for that is pretty good. http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mozilla-devel:building_the_staff_client
14:01 kivilahtio phew killed the request.pl and friends
14:02 oleonard ?
14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: well not literally, just.. you know.. solved my issues with them ;)
14:03 kivilahtio so don't go hollering to NSA wil lyou?
14:03 magnuse too late to worry about that, probably
14:03 kivilahtio magnuse: :) so true
14:04 gmcharlt re Evergreen replacing its staff client -- no firm ETA as yet, but various parties, including Equinox, are working on various projects to gather funding and do more prototyping
14:04 gmcharlt needless to say, it woudl be a rather large change, akin to the effort of fully implementing the various search, indexing, and multi-metadata projects folks are interested in for Koha
14:06 rambutan ack
14:11 druthb "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
14:12 druthb end-of-year gift from my employer: A standard membership in AAA. :) (American Automobile Association, an auto-services club, for the non-US-ians.)
14:13 jcamins What an interesting end-of-year gift.
14:13 rambutan hey, I'll take it. Heckofa lot more than I'll get.
14:13 kivilahtio rambutan: so what do you get?
14:13 rambutan 0 zero, zip, nada, the empty set
14:14 kivilahtio rambutan: cool me too!
14:14 tcohen druthb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUO-pXuw6gg
14:15 druthb I've never been a AAA member before. A lot of their services are things that an extremely self-reliant person (like me) will just do for themselves. But the member discounts on this and that will be nice.
14:16 kivilahtio druthb: don't get me started!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9XiD_2K7-Q
14:16 druthb tcohen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures_in_Wonderland Increasingly, I feel like I've wandered down a very well-funded rabbit hole here...
14:17 tcohen hehj
14:17 oleonard You're making all the public employees jealous druthb ;)
14:17 * magnuse considers what he should give himself for a end-of-year gift
14:17 kivilahtio oleonard: yeah, but we all know that "the public bread is long but thin"
14:18 oleonard Heh, we don't have that saying in America
14:18 kivilahtio we do
14:18 druthb oleonard: There's more coming….I hear end-of-year bonuses are pretty amazing here. Also, Nick gives a *personal* gift—besides the company gift—to everyone.
14:18 druthb Last year, it was a nice rollaboard suitcase.
14:18 * jcamins doesn't get a AAA membership as an end-of-year gift.
14:18 kivilahtio druthb: well... We have almost free healthcare, top that
14:19 kivilahtio :)
14:19 magnuse so there!
14:19 wahanui rumour has it so there is no way we can enable it I think
14:19 oleonard Yeah, but your boss is a jerk jcamins
14:19 druthb kivilahtio: if we had anyone rational in Washington DC, we'd have that.
14:20 kivilahtio druthb: Have you read this comic? http://www.addictedtowar.com/
14:22 kivilahtio nice song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B591rJlMY5c
14:23 druthb I have, yes. Where we've gotten to is no great surprise to anyone who grasps what President Eisenhower said about the "military-industrial complex."
14:23 kivilahtio yup
14:23 kivilahtio and it saddens me
14:24 druthb (Eisenhower was born in my home town, so I had occasion to study his Presidency at some length in school.)
14:24 kivilahtio druthb: America has had some pretty awesome presidents. Too bad the greatest have been assassinated
14:25 kivilahtio fighting against private banks, fighting against military industrial complex
14:25 kivilahtio so sad
14:25 kivilahtio but gotta keep fightin you know :)
14:25 kivilahtio @ work
14:25 huginn kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=616db836b971329da72b8f5c4027c63feaec5002>
14:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #186 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 8 hr ago)
14:33 * magnuse should be translating
14:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1480 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:55 druthb hi, mtompset! :)
14:55 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
14:55 mtompset I was playing with the bootstrap styling.
14:55 mtompset The login link doesn't work the same now.
14:56 mtompset I enabled persona, and it only shows on the right, but not in the pop-up windows.
15:00 rambutan morning mtompset
15:00 mtompset Greetings, rambutan.
15:02 mtompset Oh this is interesting... can't log in persona?!
15:02 kivilahtio Hi I have a issue with applying a patch ontop of another patch using 'git bz apply 11157'. Here's the error http://pastebin.com/LSmhQycs
15:03 kivilahtio Patch failed at 0001 Bug 11157 - Placing a simple item-level hold for serials.?
15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11157 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Placing a simple item-level hold for serials.
15:03 kivilahtio fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless ?
15:03 kivilahtio I guess this is bad
15:04 kivilahtio I am running my dev environment from where I make these patches. Then I try to apply them in our "production" server.
15:04 oleonard It usually means you tried to apply a patch that depended on another patch
15:04 kivilahtio bot have been updated to latest master
15:05 kivilahtio oleonard: hmm. tricky. I'll try resetting my commit tree and replacing some pathces, maybe I have missed something
15:07 mtompset Hmmm... more things must have been done... *waits for master to fetch*
15:08 Joubu kivilahtio: you can try to apply the patch with git apply --reject and see where the problem is
15:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #186: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/186/
15:21 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta
15:28 mtompset "audience mismatch: domain mismatch" Grrrr...
15:56 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
15:56 mtompset Greetings drnoe.
15:56 tcohen hi, power outage here
15:56 drnoe howdy
16:04 tcohen again
16:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #187 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 7 days 9 hr ago)
16:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffa2fbc93de0df27482556ae7dabdc57d9ab1a60> / Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa88585674148b36817168c27cc70da555ce6da6>
16:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1480: SUCCESS in 1 hr 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1480/
16:24 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation files for 3.14.0-beta
16:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #1481 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:28 tcohen @later tell eythian would u consider building MARC::Record 2.0.6?
16:28 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:29 kf tcohen: maybe point him to the bug for explanation? but good idea!
16:30 * tcohen is building UNC's branch with those patches to make some tests
16:30 kf cool :)
16:44 lettucebowling Recommended upgrade path from 3.00.01.005? Should I just build a new vm with Debian and import the MySQL DB? I've been tasked with upgrading this, it was a vmware version from khall a few years back.
16:44 kf lettucebowling: switching to packages would be good I think
16:44 kf if you are updating from 3.0 you will also have to run a script, but the packages should tell you that I think
16:45 kf tcohen: do you know if they will?
16:45 lettucebowling I agree with that on the packages
16:45 tcohen yes
16:45 tcohen koha-upgrade-to-3.4 instancename
16:46 lettucebowling tcohen: assuming I've followed all the steps on the wiki for Debian, are you referring to a perl script that does the db upgrade?
16:47 tcohen there are two upgrade scripts
16:47 tcohen koha-upgrade-schema (which is triggered automagically on each upgrade)
16:48 tcohen koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which you'll need to run by yourself once you load your old DB
16:48 lettucebowling tcohen: got it.
16:48 tcohen the steps would be
16:48 tcohen 1) clean packages install
16:48 tcohen 2) create a new instance called whatever you want
16:48 tcohen drop the database it created (in mysql)
16:49 tcohen 4) recreate the database empty this time
16:49 tcohen 5) load your old 3.0.x db into it
16:49 tcohen 6) run koha-upgrade-schema instancename
16:50 tcohen 7) run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 instancename
16:50 tcohen 8) run koha-rebuild-zebra -f instancename
16:50 druthb tcohen++
16:50 tcohen 9) give tcohen some cookies
16:50 lettucebowling tcohen: you deserve many many cookies!!
16:51 kf tcohen++ :)
16:51 lettucebowling tcohen: so this doesn't seem to far out of bounds. Thanks so much.
16:51 tcohen i've learnt a few days ago that this beatiful community deserves all the cookie jar
16:52 lettucebowling tcohen: I can try to convince our gifts officer to donate to koha-community; no promises - we are a non-profit too :0
16:52 * kf hands tcohen cookies :)
16:52 * druthb makes up a big batch of snax bars to send to tcohen
16:53 tcohen heh
16:53 tcohen i have to say druthb that i still have a couple of those you brought to kohacon13
16:54 tcohen :-D
16:54 druthb :D
16:55 kf ok going home now - later :)
17:02 kivilahtio Joubu: can you 'git bz apply' these patches real quick? 11129, 6385, 11157? I get no issues in my dev machine even if applying to a freshly cloned repo. But no go in my production environment.
17:03 kivilahtio Joubu: regarding this http://pastebin.com/LSmhQycs
17:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #187: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/187/
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11086 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Tools Upload Patron Images text description change
17:27 tcohen bug 6554 is a mess, I cannot reproduce most of the reported problems
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, ketan, Failed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
17:27 tcohen is there a 'bz reset --hard origin/master 6554' command?
17:28 jcamins tcohen: what on earth would that do?
17:29 kivilahtio jcamins: Can you help me just apply three patches?
17:29 tcohen i don't know, something like deleting most of the attachments and comments
17:29 jcamins tcohen: oh, I see. No.
17:29 jcamins kivilahtio: just use git am -3iu
18:02 reiveune1 bye
18:04 druthb cait!
18:04 cait hi druthb :)
18:07 kivilahtio jcamins: thanks but no thanks. Got it fixed and learnt a heavy lesson on how not to modify previous commits
18:07 kivilahtio we have a saying that one learns by the heel
18:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1481: SUCCESS in 1 hr 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1481/
18:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: Fixing some grammatical mistakes in member-flags and tools-home
18:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11086: (follow-up) editing the database files also
18:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11086 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Tools Upload Patron Images text description change
18:12 tcohen byeeee
18:17 rangi morning
18:18 druthb hiya, rangi. :)
18:19 rangi heya druthb, hows texas?
18:23 oleonard Hi rangi
18:23 rangi hey oleonard
18:23 wahanui i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
18:26 * oleonard is trying to upgrade Drupal 6 to Drupal 7, just because it's so much fun.
18:27 rangi hehe
18:27 rangi wait until 8 comes out, thats gonna break EVERYTHING
18:27 rangi on purpose
18:27 jcamins Apparently there are formats as bad as MARC: https://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#108
18:27 oleonard rangi: I know, I know!
18:27 rangi eew
18:27 rangi oleonard: drupalsouth is on soon
18:28 rangi https://drupalsouth2014.drupal.org.nz/
18:28 oleonard Shall I come and bellyache to everyone about upgrades?
18:28 rangi thats all i do
18:28 rangi and im not even on the drupal team
18:29 rangi i think we have 30 drupal developers now
18:30 oleonard I wish I spent enough time with Drupal to think in Drupal, but that would mean spending a little too much time with Drupal
18:30 rangi http://www.scmp.com/frontpage/international <-- i think is still the biggest drupal site we've done
18:31 rangi http://www.maoritelevision.com/ <-- that one too
18:31 rangi scmp is quite tricky with its lazy loading
18:31 oleonard Ugh, I should throw this whole site in the trash and code it by hand from scratch.
18:32 rangi heh
18:36 mtompset jcamins: That link... Hilarious. :)
18:36 cait rangi: what do you thnk about the postgres db schema - could it be removed?
18:37 rangi yep as could kohastructure.sql (but not yet)
18:37 rangi id leave it all for now
18:37 cait bug 11155
18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WONTFIX, PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors
18:37 rangi and once 3.14 is released
18:37 cait just pondering an answer here
18:37 cait and was not sure
18:38 rangi we could start tidying up
18:38 cait but if someone wanted to submit a patch?
18:38 rangi we'd have to make the installer use the schema deploy
18:38 rangi yep a patch ot remove it wouldnt hurt
18:38 rangi basically we want to get to just installer/data
18:38 rangi no mysql or postgres
18:39 rangi and the schema is the dbix::class schema
18:44 gmcharlt and either DBMS-independent SQL for the seed data, or possibly CSV or the like
18:44 rangi yep
18:44 gmcharlt there will probably have to be hooks for DBMS-dependent follow-up scripts -- e.g., to set the storage engine for select tables
18:45 rangi id imagine changing the installer to create teh db from the schema would be first step
18:45 rangi then remove both of hte kohastructure.sql files
18:45 rangi heh i can not type the
18:45 rangi then the data as the next step
18:45 gmcharlt rangi: only three more possibilities to go!
18:45 rangi :)
18:46 mtompset There will still be back-end connection information in the koha-conf.xml file though, right?
18:47 mtompset i.e. once connected, everything is agnostic.
18:49 cait gmcharlt: rangi - would one of you comment on the bug then? ;)
18:51 rangi cait: sometime, when i get time
18:51 cait if your live is like mine... that means never :)
18:52 gmcharlt I've drop in a comment
18:55 JesseM bug 9011
18:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
18:55 dbs cait++ rangi++ gmcharlt++
18:56 JesseM is this '9011' getting pushed in to 3.14?
18:56 oleonard Not if it's "In Discussion" JesseM
18:56 gmcharlt JesseM: no, that's rather unlikely at this point
18:57 JesseM thanks I was just wondering
18:59 cait hi dbs
18:59 rangi seems like a good feature tho, be nice to get it in 3.16
19:00 rangi dbs: you should be able to deploy a postgres db from the schema in master now .. however i havent tried in a long time :)
19:00 rangi and it would have to be done by hand
19:01 rangi (not using the installer)
19:01 rangi however i plan to (with the help of bgkriegel) set up a postgres koha instance that runs all the unit tests for master in jenkins
19:02 rangi we have mysql and maria currently, i think adding postgres will help us catch a lot of the low hanging mysqlisms
19:02 gmcharlt at the moment, a case-insensitive collation would be a good idea if you make the attempt
19:02 rangi true
19:06 rangi i reckon next time we have a kohacon in the same continent as most of the evergreen developers we should try to organise a combined hackfest
19:07 rangi or even if oleonard organises the athens county hackfest, might be worth extending it for open source ils :)
19:08 rangi just dont tell sirsi dynix the location
19:08 druthb lol
19:08 rangi it would be dangerous to have all the open source ils devs in one place :-)
19:08 oleonard yeah that's what I'm thinking too--several Evergreen libraries in my neighborhood
19:08 rambutan When is the Athens County OpenSource ILS Fest?
19:09 oleonard Whenever it gets organized
19:09 rangi :)
19:10 druthb c'mon, oleonard, get it together!
19:10 druthb doooo eeeeet
19:10 rambutan February 2014 you say? That works. Cheap airfares then.
19:10 oleonard No, gotta plan it precisely between now and KohaCon 2014
19:11 druthb hi, tcohen! :)
19:12 tcohen hi druthb
19:14 rangi ok time for the school run, bbiab
19:14 oleonard Uh oh, but what if Marseille hackfest falls precisely between now and KohaCon 2014?
19:14 cait i think marseille was plannd for march, but maybe possible to move?
19:15 cait i might be confused
19:15 cait it has been a long day
19:16 tcohen oleonard: KohaCon14 will be held at October 2014, days to be confirmed
19:16 dbs rangi: I was just doing "psql -f kohastructure.sql" to get an idea of the basic koha schema :)
19:16 jcamins oleonard: is that an actual requirement from YPOW?
19:16 cait tcohen: can't we have one earlier? :P
19:16 * cait is all for shortening the times between kohacons... ;)
19:17 * dbs would try to get to a combo hackfest
19:17 oleonard YPOW?
19:17 jcamins Your Place Of Work.
19:17 oleonard It just seems sensible. Spread out the Koha events for maximum coverage.
19:18 oleonard But if Marseille hackfest is in March then Athens hackfest should be halfway between now and March, and someone *else* has to have a hackfest halfway between March and KohaCon 2014.
19:18 oleonard Simple.
19:18 * cait might have burnt her dinner a bit
19:18 jcamins Heh. Makes sense.
19:25 cait will one of the hackfests develop a teleporter.pm? :)
19:26 jcamins Ooh, if it's a joint Koha/EG hackfest in Athens maybe we can persuade rfrasur to come!
19:26 oleonard rfrasur?
19:26 jcamins She's the director of an Evergreen library.
19:26 jcamins She's on the border of Ohio.
19:28 jcamins Other people may be nearby too, but she's the only person who mentioned being near Ohio.
19:29 tcohen oh, you're not talking about the Greek city
19:29 jcamins Hehe.
19:29 jcamins No.
19:30 oleonard No, my home town in Ohio tcohen :)
19:30 tcohen :-D
19:30 oleonard These are the Evergreen folks I know of: http://info.cool-cat.org/?page_id=13 Not especially close, but in the same state at least
19:30 tcohen your blog is in my startup page, i'm not sure why i didn't associate that
19:31 * oleonard pities his poor neglected blog
19:34 gmcharlt oleonard: I suggest talking with RoganH on Freenode if you want to pursue a joint hackfest -- he's done the cat herding for getting the previous two EG hackfests organized
19:34 oleonard Okay, thanks
19:35 oleonard After the KohaCon hackfest I'm a little intimidated about the work required to make one go smoothly :)
19:35 oleonard But at least I know better when the cookies and coffee should arrive.
19:35 gmcharlt room, caffeine, power-strips...
19:35 gmcharlt otherwise, we don't need much ;)
19:36 jcamins oleonard: by which I hope you mean "EARLY!"
19:36 gmcharlt jcamins: I dunno, the zombie horde effect was amusing
19:36 jcamins Heh.
19:37 gmcharlt KITTEENZZ!
19:38 oleonard Without rangi or paul_p there I can skimp on the coffee too, right?
19:38 cait gmcharlt: internetz!
19:39 gmcharlt oleonard: NO YOU CANNOT
19:39 gmcharlt ;)
19:39 gmcharlt cait: ah, good point
19:39 cait :)
19:41 druthb lolz
19:41 * druthb joins the Zombie Horde, and shambles around, mumbling.
19:52 rambutan If I'm able to attend I volunteer to bring the coffee and tea
19:52 rambutan and cherry mashes maybe
19:53 rambutan which are made here in St. Joseph http://www.cherrymash.com/
19:59 gmcharlt oleonard++
20:01 * oleonard asks that there be no more Pauls. We have enough Pauls.
20:01 gmcharlt OK
20:01 * gmcharlt tosses the name change form into the shredder
20:10 druthb gmcharlt: is that pic what I looked like pre-caffiene at KohaCon?
20:11 * gmcharlt whistles innocently
20:11 druthb Well-dodged, sir.
20:13 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/394727064302911488
20:13 druthb cait++
20:19 trea @get quote 123
20:19 huginn trea: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
20:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
20:19 trea @quote get 123
20:19 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
20:19 huginn trea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:19 talljoy ah yes
20:19 talljoy mad schemes
20:23 jcamins Does anyone have any recognizes for media carousels that look good without taking up a lot of vertical space?
20:23 jcamins *recommendations
20:23 jcamins I have no idea what I was thinking that the word "recognizes" came out instead of "recommendations."
20:23 wizzyrea anythingslider
20:23 rangi my slot machine?
20:23 rangi :)
20:24 wizzyrea or rangi's slot machine
20:24 jcamins rangi: your slot machine?
20:24 rangi oh didnt i show you that?
20:24 jcamins Nope.
20:24 rangi i made a slot machine newbooks display for reno
20:25 rangi ill have to put it up online somewhere
20:25 wizzyrea (but anythingslider is probably more of what you are looking for. It's eminently configurable)
20:25 rangi yeah
20:25 jcamins Yeah, AnythingSlider looks nice.
20:26 wizzyrea depending on your markup it can do pretty much whatever you want
20:26 wizzyrea what words would I put in bugzilla for the feature that added the item url to the holdings table
20:26 wizzyrea i tried "item url" and that didn't get me anyhwere
20:26 wizzyrea where&
20:26 wizzyrea gah.
20:26 * wizzyrea stops now.
20:27 wizzyrea never mind, found it. :) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8090
20:27 huginn 04Bug 8090: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , item links should have descriptive text
20:32 rangi hmm dynix classic, im pretty sure that was made before i was born
20:33 tcohen is it possible to change itemtypes from mysql?
20:33 rangi hmm?
20:33 rangi the codes?
20:33 wahanui the codes are internal
20:33 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but you'll have to do a complete reindex.
20:34 rangi or just change what itemtype an item is?
20:34 tcohen is it buried inside the MARC records?
20:34 rangi items.itype
20:34 wahanui items.itype is, like, a column
20:34 jcamins Woohoo! AnythingSlider is GPL3.
20:34 rangi if you have item level itemtypes turned on
20:34 tcohen the latter rangi, but i see it is also in biblioitems.itemtype
20:34 jcamins Oh. LGPL3. That should still be compatible with AGPL3, though.
20:35 rangi tcohen if you have itemlevel itemtypes on as the syspref
20:35 rangi you only need worry about the items.itype column
20:36 tcohen ok, but it wouldnt let me delete an itemtype because it is used somewhere (biblioitems)
20:36 rangi i thought you were just changing what itemtype and item is .. if you are changing the itemtypes themselves, then yes, you need to update them everywhere
20:37 tcohen i'm moving items from one itemtype to another
20:38 jcamins My recommendation is a script based on touch_all_biblios that changes the item type in biblioitems in the appropriate situations.
20:38 tcohen and would like to clean the itemtypes table
20:43 tcohen oops
20:44 tcohen "AU | AU" doesn't seem like a valid itemtype (AU is)
20:46 * tcohen loves when someone else made a mistake on migrating data
20:51 tcohen hmm, is it possible that there is no fk constrain on itemtype for the biblioitems table?
20:52 jcamins tcohen: that is correct, because it can be NULL.
20:53 tcohen if a library had biblio-level itemtypes, and switched to item-level, they might have NULL and NOT NULL?
20:54 tcohen but in any way those itemtype values should be present in the itemtypes table, right?
20:54 jcamins Right, and they ought to be.
21:08 gmcharlt nullable FKs are permitted, though
21:09 jcamins gmcharlt: then why don't we use them anywhere?
21:09 gmcharlt jcamins: the dead weight of history, presumably
21:09 jcamins Okay, so there's not a specific reason that you're aware of. I never wanted one until after I switched to MariaDB, so I figured it was a support issue.
21:10 jcamins wizzyrea: roasted cauliflower or cauliflower soup?
21:10 cait roasted.
21:10 mtompset first choice?
21:10 gmcharlt I can't speak to whether there were InnoDB bugs back in the day that made it problematic, but there's nothing stopping us now
21:10 cait you didn't ask me.. but...
21:10 wizzyrea ohhh hmmm
21:10 mtompset At least we are on the same wave length cait. :)
21:11 mtompset Well, have a great day, #koha.
21:11 jcamins And I think on the way home I'll pick up some berries. I have a bunch of fennel.
21:11 jcamins Though...
21:11 tcohen *sigh, bug found
21:11 * mtompset waves bye.
21:11 wizzyrea @wunder brooklyn NY
21:11 jcamins I could also try something different, just to be crazy.
21:11 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Park Slope, Brooklyn, NY 11215, Brooklyn, New York is 7.2°C (5:11 PM EDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
21:11 mtompset tcohen: There will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0. :P
21:11 wizzyrea hm chilly, soup.
21:11 jcamins @wunder 11375
21:11 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 12.9°C (4:57 PM EDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
21:11 jcamins Wow. It's a lot warmer here than Brooklyn. Go figure.
21:11 wizzyrea yea wtf!
21:12 wizzyrea lol :)
21:12 jcamins Still feels pretty cold.
21:12 wizzyrea @quote add mtompset: there will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0.
21:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:12 wizzyrea curses.
21:12 wizzyrea @quote add mtompset: there will always be bugs, until the length of code is 0.
21:12 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #282 added.
21:12 wizzyrea take that!
21:13 jcamins Oh, wow. Caramelized fennel.
21:13 jcamins http://putneyfarm.com/2012/04/05/caramelized-fennel-the-best-fennel-youll-ever-eat/
21:13 wizzyrea ok that sounds pretty magic
21:14 jcamins Okay, I should go and get the veggies so I can make something with them.
21:20 rambutan @wunder 64507
21:20 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 14.9°C (4:20 PM CDT on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
21:29 magnuse @wunder boo
21:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (10:20 PM CET on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady).
21:29 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:29 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 24.0°C (6:00 PM ART on October 29, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
21:29 magnuse :-)
21:30 eythian hi
21:30 wahanui hi, eythian
21:30 rangi eythian: i cant make it to the hearing tomorrow, so if it works with whitireia and kathryn did you want to take my place?
21:30 magnuse kia ora eythian
21:30 eythian tcohen: I've had a brief go at building it, but I couldn't make it work. I'll try again when I get the chance.
21:30 rangi doh
21:30 eythian heh
21:30 rangi wrong #koha :)
21:31 rangi never mind, nuffink super secret
21:31 rambutan I should publish an anthology: "The Collected Recipes of #Koha".
21:31 magnuse we could put recipes in the wiki ;-)
21:31 tcohen rambutan++ # i'll buy a copy of it
21:31 rambutan I think I might try the fennel recipe above.
21:32 tcohen thanks eythian, i forgot to mention is related to bug 11096
21:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra
22:04 tcohen what would be the source for sysprefs value validity check?
22:07 tcohen rephrase: i want to write a script/library/tool to check your systempreferences are sane/missing/invalid/deprecated
22:12 cait hm not sure
22:12 rangi there was one
22:12 rangi sort of
22:12 rangi in xt
22:14 rangi t/db_dependent/check_sysprefs.t
22:14 rangi maybe
22:18 gaetan_B bye !
22:18 rangi cya gaetan_B
22:38 jcamins [off] "Hi, I'm writing a new ILS, but I wanted to know what the difference between MARC and Bibframe is." <-- seriously? wtf are you doing writing a new ILS if you don't know that? Why is a new *ILS* even needed, anyway?
22:39 tcohen [off] WTF
22:40 cjh [off] ahhahhaaha
22:43 cait [off] where?
22:46 jcamins [off] Code4lib.
22:48 tcohen http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_know
22:51 tcohen rangi: i was thinking of a tab in About, something like "Koha's Health"
22:52 tcohen oh, that already exists like "System information"
22:52 tcohen i just need to add that checks