Time Nick Message 23:33 wizzyrea peggy++ 23:29 gmcharlt peggy++ 23:29 wizzyrea sweeet 23:27 peggy Thanks for the info. I'm off to fix my first bug! 23:21 wizzyrea because I had already started and stuff. 23:20 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gitify instructions" (120 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/250 23:19 wizzyrea :) yw 23:17 peggy Thanks so much. 23:17 peggy Yes!! it works. 23:14 wizzyrea if all else fails just re-clone it 23:13 peggy Yup. 23:12 cjh you will probably have to run it as ./koha-gitify 23:12 peggy Command not found for koha-gitify. Maybe because I created the gitify directory with my previous debian installation. 23:09 wizzyrea running it without any arguments should give help 23:09 cjh drats I thought I had a readme, need to add one. 23:08 wizzyrea oh right and the path to your git clone 23:08 cjh wizzyrea: you will also need to specify the path 23:08 wizzyrea from your gitify directory 23:08 wizzyrea koha-gitify new-instance-name 23:07 peggy I used gitify with rangi at the hackfest. But I had to reinstall and need to point to that source? 23:06 wahanui rumour has it gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 23:06 eythian wahanui: gitify 23:06 eythian if so: 23:06 eythian peggy: you have a package installation? 23:06 peggy Question: I have a git directory that contains my source, and I just installed a new instance of Koha. How can I tell the new Koha instance to use the source in my git directory? 23:04 wizzyrea :D 23:02 eythian :D 23:01 gmcharlt but the real talent is this ... choosing /what/ to take a screenshot of ;) 22:57 wizzyrea jinx. ;) 22:57 jcamins I had no idea. 22:57 jcamins Cool. 22:57 wizzyrea volume down and power button at the same time 22:57 eythian jcamins: power+vol down 22:56 jcamins Yeah. 22:56 wizzyrea like screenshots? 22:55 jcamins eythian: how do you take pictures of things on your phone? 22:18 busla :) 22:18 busla so excited about this 22:18 busla right.. thanks, will have a look 22:18 eythian hi 22:17 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. 22:17 jcamins plack? 22:17 jcamins busla: yeah, you really need Plack to make it usable. 22:14 busla logging in takes around 20 seks 22:14 busla it´s pretty slow on the RasPI 22:12 peggy I shall do that! Great. Thanks so much. 22:12 jcamins peggy: yep, same deal. 22:12 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 22:12 busla I just went through this process 22:12 jcamins logs? 22:12 busla well... if you were online 15 minutes ago, I suggest you take a look at the conversation I had with jcamins 22:12 peggy I need to add an entry for the OPAC, too. same IP? 22:11 busla ahh ok 22:11 peggy Now I'm at the web installer. 22:11 busla since it´s listening on that port 22:11 busla to get to the admin interface 22:11 busla ok 22:10 busla but I suggest adding "Listen 8080" in /etc/apache2/ports.conf 22:10 peggy Magic! 22:10 busla just try it 22:09 peggy So I need kohaadmin at 127.0.0.? can I use 1 again? 22:09 busla ahh ok 22:09 peggy No, no web installer yet. 22:09 peggy Currently has "localhost at 127.0.0.1 and thrasher.thrasher.org at 127.0.1.1 22:08 busla peggy: have you reached the webinstaller? 22:08 peggy Ah. I seem to remember something about adding the name... 22:08 jcamins busla: right, the URL has to be set up. 22:08 busla or 127.0.0.1 22:07 busla .. and edit /etc/hosts I assume ? 22:07 peggy ? 22:07 peggy As far as I know that IS the URL for my staff client. 22:06 jcamins peggy: you need to replace kohaadmin with the URL for your staff client. 22:06 peggy What else do you want to know? 22:05 peggy I'm on an old dell laptop - wiped clean. Fresh install of everything 22:04 busla what´s your setup? 22:01 peggy Hi. I've installed Debian and apache2 and mysql and koha-common. But when I go to http://kohaadmin it can't find the server. Any suggestions? 21:55 busla I´ll look at this Wiki tomorrow... it´s time for an update: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi 21:54 busla working 21:54 busla thanks 21:54 busla :) 21:54 busla ahh 21:54 jcamins You want the koha_mylibrary user name and its related password. 21:53 jcamins It is, but the authorityserver and publicserver bits are for Zebra. 21:53 busla ohh .. thought it was the mysql credentials 21:52 jcamins At the bottom are the user name and password for Koha. 21:52 jcamins Wrong credentials. 21:51 busla I have login credentials for "authorityserver" and "publicserver" 21:49 busla on the remote computer ofcourse 21:49 busla pretty basic 21:49 busla and my library name in /etc/hosts 21:49 busla added Listen 8080 in ports.conf 21:49 busla I´m doing this over lan 21:48 jcamins Some weird redirect? 21:48 jcamins If it actually didn't work, you would've gotten a web browser. 21:48 busla right 21:48 busla no error message though 21:48 jcamins The values in the XML file work are the only ones that will work for the webinstaller. 21:48 busla well, it´s not loading and the form was cleared by the browser 21:47 jcamins Are you sure it's not just slow? 21:47 busla well, the values in the xml file 21:47 busla weird ... default user and pass not working in the web installer 21:27 busla damn.. would be great to package Koha as a RasPi distribution :-) 21:26 busla going for the other option 21:26 busla s 21:26 busla *error 21:26 busla woops.. avahi giving me alot of erros 21:20 jcamins Never mind. The instructions are on port 80. 21:20 jcamins Wait, I just remembered something. 21:18 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add image to overdrive prefs 21:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #388: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/388/ 21:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #388 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:18 busla :) 21:18 busla trying it out 21:16 jcamins It's useful because you can use it for making name based virtual hosts work. 21:16 jcamins That's it. 21:15 busla https://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf ? 21:15 jcamins If you set it up to do so. 21:14 jcamins So http://raspberrypi.local./ works. 21:14 busla found it 21:14 jcamins It does the local DNS thing that I've forgotten the name of. 21:14 jcamins It really is. 21:14 wahanui i think avahi is kind of amazing. 21:14 busla avahi ? 21:14 jcamins Personally, I recommend avahi. 21:14 busla thanks 21:14 busla :) 21:14 busla ok 21:14 busla ahh 21:13 jcamins busla: no, but if you're not using DNS you may want to disable the default site and change the intranet port to 8080. 21:12 busla ? 21:12 busla should delete the default index.html in the apache root 21:12 rambutan Still reflecting, but such a journal would need to be weighted towards how OS ILSs actually promote world peace, and not focus in the latest patch to zebrasort.pl 21:12 busla right.. 21:12 jcamins (or rPi external IP) 21:12 jcamins 127.0.0.1 21:12 busla and sites-enabled doesn´t point to any root_dir 21:11 busla can´t find it in any docs 21:11 busla hey all! Just finished the Debian install on a RasPi .. anyone have a clue what the URL is for the web-installation? 21:10 jcamins At least, that's my take. 21:10 jcamins I am not opposed to the idea, but I feel like academic publishing tends to be kind of navel-gazing-y anyway, and a special interest journal would tend to make that more rather than less true. 21:09 rambutan jcamins: question has merit and requires serious thought. Will give it consideration 21:09 rambutan suppose there's enough potential material out there covering EG, Koha, DSpace, etc, to support a quarterly publication 21:08 cait-m_ yesh and when writing about koha they dony get it right :( 21:08 jcamins Not to be crass (okay, maybe), but don't you think such a journal would just turn into navel-gazing? 21:08 rambutan I'm reading "Computers in Libraries" and it's all proprietary-ILS centric 21:07 rambutan Profound statement of the week: I think there should be a (scholarly) Open-Source ILS Journal 21:00 rambutan good 21:00 cait-m_ i had a nice first visit to the US 20:59 cait-m_ sad to leave 20:59 cait-m_ thx 20:59 rambutan hoping you fly friendly skies 20:57 cait-m_ wsiting for flight to paris 20:57 cait-m_ in slc now 20:55 rambutan waves 20:47 * cait-m_ waves 20:41 gmcharlt it's back, now 20:29 rambutan koha-community.org is down down down 20:18 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add WhenLostForgiveFine 20:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #387: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/387/ 20:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #387 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:17 nengard My internet is so wonky here I can't ever tell what's me and what's really down 20:16 nengard is the Koha site down? 19:48 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add item type check in alerts 19:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #386: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/386/ 19:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #386 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:31 oleonard Bye #koha. If you need me I'll be waiting by the elevator wondering what to have for dinner. 19:25 jcamins Having never had a catastrophic failure while using aria I can't confirm that from first-hand experience, though. 19:23 jcamins Supposed to be way less corruption-prone. 19:22 jcamins khall: aria. 19:03 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update csv profiles 19:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #385: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/385/ 19:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #385 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11123 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , 2 routines are unused in C4::Account 18:52 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11123: remove two unused routines from C4::Accounts 18:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1476: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1476/ 18:14 huginn 04Bug 11136: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , action_logs should be a MyISAM table, not InnoDB 18:14 khall MyISAM vs InnoDB for action_logs? If you've got an opinion, please let me know! http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11136 18:06 reiveune bye 17:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11123 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , 2 routines are unused in C4::Account 17:48 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 11123: remove two unused routines from C4::Accounts 17:48 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/182/ 17:06 jcamins Yup. 17:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11123: remove two unused routines from C4::Accounts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ba71095b4460005d7e78031bc77db4e3c229eb0> 17:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1476 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 17:05 kivilahtio jcamins: ok. So basically totally new functionality should go to Koha:: 17:04 jcamins Only if someone implements the same thing in Koha::. 17:04 kivilahtio So my modifications to C4 will become obsolete in some time? 17:04 jcamins kivilahtio: not in any organized way. 17:04 kivilahtio I presume someone is in process of rewriting C4 to Koha? 17:03 kivilahtio I asked what is the deal with C4:: and Koha:: I understood C4 is legacy and Koha is the new OO way to go 17:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #182 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #174 2 days 10 hr ago) 17:01 mtompset Okay. 17:01 mtompset C4::Accounts is gone now? 16:57 kivilahtio just making sure before I go and program some 16:57 kivilahtio so there are no validator functions in C4? 16:55 kivilahtio jcamins: okey dokey 16:55 jcamins kivilahtio: right, exactly. I was trying to provide an example of where not having any results for invalid data is the opposite of the expected behavior. 16:54 kivilahtio like placerequest.pl just accepts anything and asks no questions. And there are a lot of parameters 16:53 kivilahtio but there generally don't seem to be many validators in the OPAC's .pl scripts. Should I call it the Controller layer? 16:53 * oleonard doesn't know about that 16:52 kivilahtio oleonard: you said in staff client there are validators. IN the business layer? 16:52 kivilahtio oleonard: but in the C4-modules? 16:52 oleonard No built-in client side JS validator, no. 16:51 kivilahtio are there any validators in OPAC? 16:51 kivilahtio but now I just said I should validat ALL input :) 16:51 kivilahtio jcamins: how about just cancelling the search if parameters are incorrect. If you try to mimic correct behaviour with incorrect parameters... that sounds like a ticket to hard-to-debug -problems 16:50 jcamins kivilahtio: no, because you want to have results if you don't get any data. 16:50 kivilahtio oleonard++ 16:50 kivilahtio jcamins: is this because you don't want errors in your MySQL log? 16:50 oleonard Only one with divine powers can coerce 'fish' to be equal to more than one. 16:49 jcamins Like if you want to translate non-numeric input to always be equal to one, so that SELECT * FROM table WHERE field < 'fish'; works, you'll need to coerce fish into an integer equal to one. 16:48 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, phew, validating date is a pain :( 16:47 jcamins kivilahtio: to some extent, but if you want to make sure that you'll get results if the input is invalid, you need to handle that case. 16:47 kivilahtio isn't that what the preapred statement is for? 16:47 kivilahtio jcamins: I think I skipped my SQL lessons regarding sanitation but is it total idiocy to suggest that one could just put unsanitized variables to a SQL prepared statement? 16:46 kivilahtio doesn't prepare statements sanitize it for me? 16:46 kivilahtio jcamins: You think if I put mangeld SQL dates to DB it breaks? 16:46 jcamins kivilahtio: you still need to sanitize user input. 16:45 kivilahtio I thought I had to push my filters through multiple functions, but it is nice to have the SQL just one function call away from the UI 16:45 jcamins kivilahtio: nah, oleonard wasn't carrying a sword so it's nothing to worry about. :) 16:45 kivilahtio Arent you afraid that your SQL is so exposed? like with C4::Items::GetItemsInfo() ? 16:44 * oleonard is glad jcamins noticed 16:44 jcamins Or, at least, if he doesn't have feet, he hides it well. 16:44 druthb jcamins++ 16:43 jcamins kivilahtio: oleonard has feet, so I have to agree with druthb. 16:43 druthb naah. oleonard doesn't have a sword in his hand, and an angry yell. He smiles a lot. Also darker hair. 16:43 kivilahtio I havent but now I wish had ;) 16:43 oleonard If you haven't been to KohaCon you have no idea which is true. 16:42 bag wait oleonard does look like that druthb 16:41 * druthb doesn't click oleonard, becuase he doesn't much look like Link: http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:ST_Link_3.png 16:35 oleonard If something looks like a link, kivilahtio, users will know they can click it. 16:35 kivilahtio jcamins: oleonard: well here are the options, I think you are right, but I think the link needs something more to hint the user to clikc it 16:35 druthb intuitive-ness++ 16:34 druthb +1 for both! 16:34 bag oh +1 for both 16:34 jcamins gmcharlt: I believe EG uses both. 16:33 bag no preference here 16:33 gmcharlt question for the world: preferences on '-" vs. '!' for the negation operator for QueryParser queries? 16:27 gaetan_B bye ! 16:27 kivilahtio jcamins: I will note that 16:27 jcamins Yeah, it seems like a reasonable idea. But "they can't be too crazy" is a very dangerous thing to say, when you're talking about libraries. 16:25 kivilahtio jcamins: It's not a biggie 16:25 jcamins :) 16:24 kivilahtio jcamins: I understand. I think i will put a regexp to the system preferences so each library can define their own standard of defining the enumchron 16:24 jcamins ... which is really what makes them crazy. 16:24 jcamins But I don't know what they are. 16:24 jcamins I think that there will be even crazier ways of formatting enumchron. 16:24 kivilahtio jcamins: I think it is doable 16:24 kivilahtio jcamins: you think this is mad? 16:23 kivilahtio bt then again if I use a system preference as a regexp then each library can define it their way 16:23 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 16:23 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:23 huginn jcamins: downloading the Perl source 16:23 wahanui @quote get 123 16:23 jcamins @quote 123 16:23 jcamins kivilahtio: we have a saying here on #koha. 16:22 kivilahtio they cant be too crazy 16:22 kivilahtio it would be nice to hear what kind of use cases you suspect for enumchron? 16:22 kivilahtio strictly only 2013 : 11 16:22 kivilahtio quite frankly not sure how to deal with Volume, Number, Issue as we only use Volume : Number 16:21 kivilahtio but i was planning to make a system preference where you can define in which order these integers appear 16:21 kivilahtio I am not sure if anybody uses other notations, but suggestions are welcome 16:20 kivilahtio not Number 6 volume 2013 16:20 kivilahtio so basically it should work with things like Vol 2013, No 11 || 2013 :11 || Volume 2013 : Number 6 16:19 kivilahtio jcamins: I will make a loose regexp to catch the first and second integers 16:19 kivilahtio jcamins: I will make a loose regexp to catch the first and second digits 16:18 jcamins kivilahtio: how exactly will that work? Does it require enumchron to be entered in a special way? 16:18 kivilahtio oleonard: not yet, the parameters are caught and validated but nothing happens on the server side yet 16:17 oleonard kivilahtio: Should that form work? Or is it just a test of the markup? 16:16 kivilahtio jcamins: ok 16:16 jcamins I'd prefer pushing it down. 16:15 kivilahtio I think I need to get back to gimp and see what might be the best solutino 16:15 kivilahtio oleonard: I think you are right 16:15 oleonard That's what I would do. 16:14 kivilahtio so justa plain link? 16:14 kivilahtio maybe i just like to make extra complex stuff with jQuery 16:13 kivilahtio oleonard: good point 16:13 oleonard Don't do any positioning 16:13 kivilahtio oleonard: well... 16:13 kivilahtio I could js it on the right side 16:13 oleonard kivilahtio: Why not simply have it push the table down when it appears? 16:13 kivilahtio jcamins: it is strictly related to the Holdings-tab 16:12 kivilahtio jcamins: better suggestions where to put it? 16:12 kivilahtio jcamins: good point, it actually covers it for non-javascript users :) 16:12 jcamins kivilahtio: interesting. I'm not sure I like the way it covers the item table. 16:12 kivilahtio blue stands out oo much, it is really disturbing regarding hte contrast 16:12 oleonard Why would it be white-gray? 16:11 oleonard I think they'll know they can click it if it looks like a link :) 16:11 kivilahtio but I agree it stands out and looks lonely 16:11 kivilahtio if it it just white-gray? 16:11 kivilahtio oleonard: you think users realize they can click the link? 16:11 kivilahtio but I remember the times I was a real jQuery Ninja ;) 16:10 kivilahtio my jQuery is a bit rusty :) 16:10 oleonard I wouldn't style the link in any special way. I think a plain link would be most consistent 16:10 kivilahtio I need to recolor the button but otherwise this is what i meant 16:09 kivilahtio oleonard: now I have something to show http://193.65.112.189/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=26484&filterBranchLimiter=_ShowAll&filterVolume=&filterNumber=&filterFrom=&filterTo=&filterIssues=Submit 15:48 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add new offline circ 15:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #384: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/384/ 15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #384 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:28 bag long trip 15:28 bag wow tcohen still in route home? 15:25 oleonard Safe travels tcohen 15:24 tcohen byeeee 15:24 tcohen ok, once i get to cordoba i'll take a look, now i'll try to get something to eat :-D 15:19 gmcharlt I'm not personally sure about the rest that folks have been grabbing from what ships with Zebra 15:19 tcohen heh 15:19 gmcharlt right, putting in phrase config appears to be required 15:19 bag I have been fighting with FedEx the last two days trying to get a package delivered - I wish they had apt-get deliver 15:19 jcamins It works fine for me, though Martin can demonstrate search not working without the patch that adds icu-phrases.xml. 15:18 tcohen so i should perform a standard install and mimick what it does, in the packages 15:18 jcamins tcohen: I just use the ICU configuration that comes with Koha. 15:18 bag :P 15:18 oleonard :D 15:18 gmcharlt bag: Friday. why do you ask? 15:17 oleonard I know right? 15:17 bag anybody have a clue what day it is? 15:16 bag HA 15:16 tcohen oleonard++ 15:15 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 15:15 tcohen @heh 15:15 oleonard Call the casino floor, she may be putting her last dollar into a slot machine right now 15:14 tcohen kf / cait was the first to ask me for ICU in packages so I'll contact her first 15:14 tcohen i volunteer of course, but i need some information source 15:14 gmcharlt tcohen: agreeed 15:13 tcohen gmcharlt: so people are effectively using ICU but it is not properly documented, we need to fix that too 15:03 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add AllowOfflineCirculation 15:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #383: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/383/ 15:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #383 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:03 kivilahtio oleonard: nothing obtrusive, just asking are there any styling guidelines. But I'll hack something up and then let's see what happens 15:03 gmcharlt tcohen: agreed; we'll need to lean on current ICU users to describe whatever tweaks they use from the configs that ship with Zebra 15:01 oleonard What fade effects are you thinking of kivilahtio? 15:01 tcohen gmcharlt: that's correct, but we also need to tweak some files I guess 15:01 kivilahtio or maybe it is Mozillla 15:01 kivilahtio oleonard: so I was curious should I use some specific fade effect as is present in some UI elements in the OPAC 15:00 kivilahtio and having a nice animation is a bonus 15:00 kivilahtio but I was more worried about aligning my design with the Koha UI design principles 15:00 kivilahtio oleonard: I could use display : none -> block and position: absolute 15:00 oleonard Take a look at members/notices.tt for a fairly simple example of showing and hiding content using jQuery 14:58 oleonard If all you want to do is show and hide that form you shouldn't need jQueryUI 14:57 kivilahtio oleonard: just looking into jQueryUI documentation, never used that 14:57 kivilahtio there is a form which needs obviously to be hidden when not needed 14:56 kivilahtio under Holdings(30) -> Limit issues, a to be button, not yet styled 14:55 kivilahtio oleonard: wow http://193.65.112.189/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=26484&branchLimiter=CPL&volume=&number=&from=&to=&filterIssues=Submit# 14:55 gmcharlt upshot, I think, is that copies of all of the relevant files should be added to Koha's source tree 14:54 gmcharlt or more specifically, http://kohageek.blogspot.com/2013/10/zebra-configuration-for-regional_2.html 14:54 tcohen thanks gmcharlt 14:54 oleonard kivilahtio: Please provide more details. What is the situation? 14:54 gmcharlt http://kohageek.blogspot.com/ 14:54 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm, not on the wiki -- this is the closest I've found 14:54 kivilahtio I havea button I click, and then a form appears under the button. 14:54 kivilahtio I don't remember those being used anywhere in Koha 14:53 kivilahtio I need to make a dropdown form, any guidelines regarding showing content based on a button click? 14:53 kivilahtio Hi again! 14:51 gmcharlt tcohen: looking 14:51 tcohen does anyone have a link to the ICU setup wiki? i'd like to do what is needed to get it working on packages 14:51 gmcharlt heh 14:50 oleonard Better than Facebook's method, where once you're logged in the language choice is in a footer that always jumps out of reach when the page auto-loads more results :P 14:50 wahanui icu is a good idea. 14:50 tcohen icu? 14:50 wahanui well, icu is a good idea. 14:50 tcohen icu? 14:48 oleonard Yeah I agree 14:48 gmcharlt in the header? looks good to me, though I don't know if an iconic tools menu is visible enough 14:47 oleonard maybe something like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/UFhTZxKhnQ 14:47 gmcharlt what alternative do you have in mind? 14:47 gmcharlt the main oddity I see is that no matter how you resize the window, one must always scroll down to see it 14:46 oleonard I'm thinking about an alternate solution that would be more mobile-friendly 14:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11057 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bootstrap theme: Don't hide language chooser below the fold 14:46 oleonard Oh and by the way gmcharlt, I actually disagree with Bug 11057's suggestion that the language chooser should be always visible 14:19 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt 14:19 gmcharlt oleonard: SetEnv DEBUG 1 in the apache config is one way 14:17 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) 14:17 gmcharlt @quote random 14:15 druthb :) 14:13 tcohen its great druthb 14:13 oleonard I should know this, but how does one turn on debug, as in "$debug && warn ..." 14:13 druthb That batch had almonds, walnuts, sunflower seeds, some pistachio, and dried apples, prunes, and cherries, with just a splash of orange juice to get it to bind up for baking. Turned out chewier than I normally like 'em, but it worked out. 14:11 oleonard :) 14:10 druthb aw! *hug* 14:10 tcohen sleepy tcohen givin' thanks to druthb: http://snag.gy/cYK3N.jpg 14:06 druthb I brought them to share. :) 14:05 tcohen cait recommended me to take them, I didn't know they were your's 14:04 druthb Thanks! I make those snack bars all the time, and am always changing up which fruits and nuts are in it. That mix was particularly tasty. 14:04 * oleonard likes having more faces and voices to go with the IRC nicks 14:04 tcohen druthb: your granola is awesome btw 14:03 tcohen :D 14:02 tcohen the same feeling here 14:02 tcohen hi druthb 14:02 druthb tcohen: It was lovely getting to meet you in Reno! 13:56 tcohen yeah, the airport has some wide sits where u can have a nice nap 13:56 kivilahtio tcohen: wow, chile must be awesome! 13:56 tcohen :-D 13:55 oleonard I'm fine, thanks. Nothing bad to report about my trip home. 13:55 tcohen how are you? 13:55 tcohen hi oleonard, in chile, a couple more hours until i get to cordoba 13:54 oleonard Hi tcohen, are you back home? 13:53 kivilahtio oleonard: both is best :) 13:53 oleonard having a server-side layer of validation is always best 13:52 kivilahtio prolly will have to propagate filters up to C4 modules 13:52 kivilahtio opac-detail.tt/pl mainly 13:52 kivilahtio i am working in staff client and OPAC 13:52 oleonard kivilahtio: The staff client already globally includes a validation plugin you can use 13:51 kivilahtio is IE still breaking my balls? 13:51 kivilahtio do we still need to define id and name for html elements? 13:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Limiting the display of Serial issues OR Searching a specific Serial issue 13:50 kivilahtio oleonard: bug 11129, validate user inputting integers 13:28 oleonard kivilahtio: What are you trying to do? 13:27 oleonard Decent support except for Firefox for some reason: http://caniuse.com/#feat=input-number 13:26 kivilahtio oleonard: but it doesnt seem to respect the maxlenght attribute 13:26 kivilahtio oleonard: absolutely no idea. Long time since I last did web development 13:26 oleonard We do use an HTML5 doctype. The type attribute degrades gracefully in non-HTML5 browsers? 13:25 kivilahtio don't wanna make javascript checks 13:25 kivilahtio I am a bit worried about how the checks localize to any language 13:24 kivilahtio If I had a form in Koha, could I use the HTML5 <input type="number"> ? 13:24 kivilahtio oleonard: I would just hide your mouse 13:24 kivilahtio oleonard: I like your colleagues. 13:23 druthb My asoke scarf made it to my office today. I have a large stuffed feline on a high shelf; it is draped over the critter's midsection. :) 13:21 magnuse tee hee 13:20 oleonard I don't know if you can read it, but the sign on the door says "Toilet Supplies Annex" 13:20 druthb magnuse++ 13:20 magnuse you should teach them to sign off koha patches instead :-) 13:20 * druthb chuckles. 13:20 kivilahtio oleonard: maybe they are worried about your health? 13:20 oleonard Yes and yes. 13:20 magnuse lol! 13:20 magnuse oleonard: that's your desk? 13:20 kivilahtio Is that toilet paper? 13:19 oleonard I guess my co-workers weren't too busy while I was gone: http://i.imgur.com/Uu5JJxW.jpg 13:19 kivilahtio magnuse: Thanks for the link! Very precious! 12:57 druthb hi, oleonard! :) 12:57 oleonard Hi druthb 12:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Byte Order Mark breaks Patron Import 12:44 * magnuse is reminded of bug 10117 12:37 magnuse have fun mtompset 12:35 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 12:35 mtompset Putting on driving hat. 12:32 oleonard Flying chairs, desert chairs, bus chairs. Many chairs. 12:31 mtompset Were you in an electric one before, oleonard? ;) 12:28 magnuse welcome back oleonard :-) 12:27 * oleonard is back in his regular chair 12:27 oleonard Hi magnuse and all in #koha 12:27 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8836 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Resurrect Rotating Collections 12:21 magnuse kivilahtio: bug 8836 12:13 drojf hm. looks like i seriously broke something 12:10 drojf why do i get a gazillion merge problems when i try of update master? there is no patch of me in there 12:05 kivilahtio jcamins: I think it is what we think then :) because it is a system preference to set how material returns after being checked in 12:05 jcamins I don't use floating collections. 12:05 jcamins I'm not actually sure, though. 12:05 jcamins System preference, I think. 12:04 kivilahtio jcamins: but is this a system preference? or a circulation rule? 12:03 kivilahtio I think you have to choose, hmm let me see 12:03 jcamins Or maybe collection code. 12:03 jcamins It's by item type, I think. 12:03 kivilahtio jcamins: If we are wrong, I would be more than happy! 12:03 kivilahtio jcamins: we didn't figure out a way to have only certain items float 12:03 kivilahtio jcamins: And we think that you choose the whole Koha installation to use floating items or not 12:02 kivilahtio we are looking into flaoting collections 12:02 jcamins I think. 12:01 jcamins Just ship the books to the new library and check them all in to change the location. 12:01 jcamins That might do what you want. 12:01 jcamins There's also... floating collections. 12:00 jcamins You're welcome. 12:00 kivilahtio jcamins: thanks for your help 12:00 kivilahtio jcamins: I understand 12:00 jcamins I'm not sure of that. 11:59 kivilahtio or maybe it is 11:59 kivilahtio we can batch edit items, shouldn't be a biggie to extend lists to contain items as well 11:59 kivilahtio I think all we would need is to have a list for items 11:59 jcamins I think it may still be there, it's just disabled due to bugs. 11:59 kivilahtio then set the home location of items to other library 11:59 jcamins There was a rotating collection feature in Koha. 11:59 kivilahtio so add items to a list and set this list as a rotating collection 11:58 kivilahtio but we would like to have rotating collections 11:58 jcamins That is correct. They are bib-level. 11:58 kivilahtio and you can merge biblios 11:58 jcamins Ah. 11:58 kivilahtio There are lists in Koha, to make colelctions of Bibliographic records 11:58 jcamins The reports module is just SQL. 11:57 jcamins What do you mean? 11:57 kivilahtio only Biblios? 11:57 kivilahtio jcamins: I think there is no way to add items to a list? 11:55 jcamins Yes. 11:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, CLOSED FIXED, Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds 11:54 jcamins bug 7751 11:54 kivilahtio jcamins: yes, but we can still target it in reports if we want to know if our quick circulating items are books or dvdäs? 11:54 jcamins Yes. 11:54 jcamins In that case, bib-level item type has no impact. 11:54 kivilahtio then it should work, while still retaining a trace of the item's original itemtype in the bibliographic record 11:53 kivilahtio jcamins: if we configure our system preference to use the item's itemtype to deal with circulation rules 11:53 jcamins kivilahtio: setting item type at biblio level or item level is an either/or proposition. You can't set the item type at both levels, and have both settings have an impact. 11:53 kivilahtio mtompset: Or maybe i mix it up 11:53 kivilahtio mtompset: I think it was already in Koha? 11:53 mtompset changing the checkout-period based on the number of holds sounds like a potentially useful feature. 11:51 mtompset http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/patscirc.html 11:50 kivilahtio I don't think we have a need to have the biblio in differnt item type than its items 11:49 kivilahtio we could run the reports and statistics based on the bibliographic records koha default item type 11:49 jwagner that would work 11:49 kivilahtio jwagner: but I was thinking about having just one quick circulating item type 11:49 kivilahtio jwagner: we would need a quickly circulating item type for each item type we have and that is a pain regarding all the views where itemtypes are dealt with 11:47 jwagner i.e., NEWBOOK with one week loan period, vs BOOK with three week loan period 11:47 jwagner kivilahtio, why not give it an item type with a short circ rule? Then change item type to a more normal one once the first demand is past 11:46 mtompset kivilahtio: Have you tried reading the manual? Because, to be honest, I don't know the answer. 11:45 kivilahtio can you somehow set a book to circulate faster? and then revert back to normal circulation speed 11:44 kivilahtio mtompset: Isn't there a functionality which allows the check-out period to change based on the amount of holds placed? 11:44 kivilahtio mtompset: we have a new book and we need to limit its circulation period so everybody can have their share 11:43 kivilahtio mtompset: How do you manage quickly circulating items? 11:43 mtompset Perhaps, but I never guarantee answers. :) 11:43 kivilahtio mtompset: A guestion if you may? 11:43 mtompset Greetings, kivilahtio. 11:43 kivilahtio greetings mtompset 11:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 11:25 kivilahtio jcamins: Thanks for the review! 11:24 kivilahtio why I didnät figure it out immediately :) 11:23 kivilahtio ok 11:23 jcamins You need to install DBIx::Class. 11:23 kivilahtio at http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/member.pl 11:23 kivilahtio I got this? 11:23 kivilahtio Base class package "DBIx::Class::Schema" is empty. 11:23 jcamins That makes sense. 11:23 jcamins Got it. 11:22 kivilahtio jcamins: I am not planning to extend Zebra god no! But to make a filter to serials views. 11:22 jcamins Ah. That will not involve Zebra, then. 11:22 kivilahtio jcamins: I know, but I will embed the search filte to opac-detail.pl and Staff client 11:21 jcamins kivilahtio: I'm not sure that what you propose is possible at this time. With Zebra you can't search for a part of a record. So a search for "vol. 4, issue 5" will just return the entire record. 11:11 kivilahtio Couldn't find any conflicting bugs in bugzilla 11:10 kivilahtio good boy wahanui 11:10 wahanui hmmm... yours is better actually 11:10 kivilahtio or yours? 11:10 kivilahtio if I start with this do I waste my time? 11:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Limiting the display of Serial issues OR Searching a specific Serial issue 11:09 kivilahtio bug 11129 10:55 drojf looks like it is the horrible university wifi again 10:52 drojf hi kivilahtio 10:51 drojf is git terribly slow or is it just me? 10:51 wahanui que tal, kivilahtio 10:51 kivilahtio drojf: hi there 10:51 drojf hi #koha 10:45 kivilahtio But I have a solution thanks to javascript and the awesome jQuery you use 10:45 kivilahtio but I am more worried about the UI modifications 10:45 kivilahtio and that label needs to be defined in the global preferences 10:44 kivilahtio I think there needs to be some kind of a unified way of labeling the enumeration 10:44 kivilahtio magnuse: I know, but this is what I aim to provide a solution for 10:43 wahanui lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting 10:43 magnuse oh well, lunchtime 10:43 magnuse if it is just stored as "vol x, issue y" it will be hard to differentiate between e.g. "vol. 4, issue 5" and "vol. 5, issue 4" 10:43 kivilahtio I was planning to target the enumeration field 10:42 kivilahtio its great that there are the top n most recent issues already, but if we have lots of branches the views will become totally incomprehensible 10:42 kivilahtio that makes 1200 issues 10:42 magnuse i wonder if that data is sufficiently structured, though 10:42 kivilahtio magnuse: this is problematic when we have 20 libraries with 12 issues a year for the past 5 years 10:41 kivilahtio magnuse: yes 10:41 kivilahtio also we need to find a way to make extra notes about issues. One issue could be a christmas extra 10:41 magnuse today you would have to just browse the list of issues to do that, i think 10:41 kivilahtio in their home branch 10:41 kivilahtio so they are interested in vol 2013 : number 12 and want to know if it is available easily 10:40 kivilahtio magnuse: not sure if there is any sense to it, but I am said it is crucial to server our patrons 10:39 kivilahtio magnuse: this is because we need to be able to place a hold on a specific item easily 10:39 kivilahtio magnuse: yes, I was planning to implement a search to OPAC and staff client where we can search for the volume, number/issue, branch and starting/ending date 10:30 magnuse kivilahtio: do you mean like "vol 23 issue 34"? 10:26 kivilahtio If not I am about to start working on that functionality 10:26 kivilahtio Is there any way to search for a specific serial number? 10:11 huginn magnuse: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009) 10:11 magnuse @quote random 09:37 magnuse hehe 09:35 kivilahtio just nee to vent stuff out, thanks for helping 09:34 kivilahtio magnuse: I didn't sign up for that, but lets see what comes out of it :) I am certain something good 09:34 kivilahtio magnuse: crazy! 09:34 kivilahtio magnuse: we need to apparently solve national issues with local resources :) 09:33 kivilahtio magnuse: the situation here is really strange 09:33 magnuse yay! 09:29 kivilahtio magnuse: yes there will be, but they are not critical issues, I think we can find a solution to them 09:29 magnuse :-) 09:29 kivilahtio magnuse: ok, just making sure :) 09:29 magnuse but if you have thousands of items connected to one record there might still be surprises, i guess 09:29 kivilahtio problems such as Home › Cataloging › Edit (Record #26484) › Items ... where the hundreds of items we have in our library cooperation are just showed in one table 09:28 magnuse performance was one of the reasons for removing items from marc/marcxml columns 09:28 kivilahtio I think there were huge performance issues with lots of serials, but I am seeing such problems as well now that I am adding a ton of serials to the Koha 09:28 magnuse limit on the number of items? 09:27 kivilahtio magnuse: ok, but there are no limitations to serials use regardless, such limitations as in v3.4? 09:27 magnuse items were removed from the marcxml and marc fields in the mysql database, but they are indexed by zebra 09:26 kivilahtio I mean item related data 09:26 kivilahtio magnuse: I thought such data is no longer stored in the Zebra DB? 09:25 magnuse if you set the itemtype in 942 (is it $c?) it will be carried over to 952 09:25 kivilahtio magnuse: 3 types, but the default seems to be the first one, the same on as the biblios default item type 09:25 magnuse but do you only have items of one type? 09:24 kivilahtio magnuse: hmm, now i see that i didnt set the item type when adding an item and now when i am editing it there is a item type 09:24 magnuse you can set a default value in the framework 09:23 kivilahtio magnuse: manual entry of new records 09:22 magnuse "automatically fill the Koha Item Type" - in which context? migration of data or manual entry of new records and items? 09:21 magnuse kivilahtio: i think koha-conf.xml will tell you which mode you are using 09:10 kivilahtio but I don't think they can help here 09:10 kivilahtio There is a SubfieldsToUseWhenPrefill and PrefillItems global preferences 09:10 kivilahtio Is there any way to automatically fill the Koha Item Type when adding Items? 09:09 kivilahtio but I installed the v3.12 09:09 kivilahtio I know I am using the latest master 09:09 kivilahtio or I think I am using the latest master currently 09:08 kivilahtio BobB: I am using Koha 3.12 09:07 kivilahtio BobB: great! How do I know which one I have in use? I don't think I remember such a selection during installation? 08:59 magnuse yay! 08:53 BobB I just learnt that at Koha Hackfest :) 08:53 BobB for GRS1 refer to record.abs; for DOM refer to biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 08:52 BobB kivilahtio, there are two filters: GRS1 and DOM and you choose one; DOM is now recommended but many installations are still GRS1 08:51 marcelr hi magnuse 08:51 magnuse hiya marcelr 08:17 marcelr hi #koha 08:03 sophie_m kivilahtio: look into ccl.properties, some aliases for indexes are defined there 07:56 kivilahtio sorry for bothering you with a solution I could have solved 07:55 kivilahtio nevermind I'll dig into the code deep after my breakfast 07:49 kivilahtio and somewhere in code there are translation tables for these shorthands? 07:49 kivilahtio I assume it is a shorthand for title 07:49 kivilahtio but I can't find no idx=ti from marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs 07:45 kivilahtio Canthis really honest to god be so simple as this wiki page lets me assume? 07:45 kivilahtio zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 07:45 kivilahtio What is this for then? biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 07:43 kivilahtio lemme see 07:43 kivilahtio no wait here at the end 07:43 kivilahtio but I have a gut feeling this might be more complex 07:42 wahanui rumour has it looking at it is exactly what I was hoping for. :) 07:42 kivilahtio magnuse: Yes, looking at it 07:41 magnuse kivilahtio: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing ? 07:40 magnuse gaetan_B: i believe you :-) 07:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Paris-centre, France is 13.6°C (9:40 AM CEST on October 24, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 07:40 kivilahtio but where are the search "aggregators" defined? 07:40 magnuse @wunder paris, france 07:40 kivilahtio I already found the koha_to_zebra.xml indexing rules 07:39 kivilahtio where is idx=ti defined? From which Zebra indexes those searches are pulled from? 07:38 gaetan_B well, you'll have to take my word for it, but it's warmer in Paris than in bodo magnuse ;) 07:38 kivilahtio hey any idea where can i see from which Zebra indexes different searches search. Like when I do a title search in opac-search.pl, i get the following urlopac-search.pl?idx=ti&q=rock 07:38 gaetan_B O_o 07:38 huginn gaetan_B: Error: No such location could be found. 07:38 gaetan_B @wunder paris 07:37 magnuse you win :-) 07:37 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (9:30 AM CEST on October 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 07:37 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:37 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on October 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady). 07:37 magnuse @wunder boo 07:37 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 07:25 gaetan_B hello 07:05 johnbljr Access PA and OhioLink seem to be pretty good based on a few searches. 07:02 johnbljr I just searched the mailing list archive and one member says the Access PA library is good for Scholastic books...I will try that. 07:01 BobB johnbljr, I am not sure how well IRSpy is kept up to date 07:00 BobB hi magnuse 06:57 johnbljr no worries though 06:57 johnbljr mtj they are not showing on irspy 06:53 mtj i thought ASHS school, in NZ might have z39 access? -- but, i am not sure, sorry... 06:53 mtj johnbljr, cool 06:50 johnbljr I found it...I will post the question there. 06:49 johnbljr How do I get to the koha mailing list? 06:48 mtj johnbljr, a good question for the Koha mailing-list 06:48 johnbljr mtj , any names I can search for in IRSpy? 06:47 mtj johnbljr, hmm… i know of some school libraries in the pacific. but, i'm not sure if they have public z39 access 06:45 magnuse howdy Irma and BobB 06:44 * magnuse waves 06:37 johnbljr Wondering is anyone has any good z39.5 libraries that have already cataloged Scholastic books. Having a hard time finding any of the scholastic books for the school that I work at. 06:37 reiveune hello 06:35 mtj hi BobB , johnbljr 06:31 johnbljr Good afternoon...at least for me.... ;-) 06:00 BobB Thanks to all our new friends in Washoe County for a great KohaCon and Hackfest 06:00 BobB Hi #koha 06:00 * BobB returns to his desk. 04:38 mtompset I guess I should sleep on this. Have a great day, #koha. 04:35 mtompset Does it make sense to have a biblio record with multiple URLs? 04:27 mtompset Greetings, papa. 04:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 04:19 mtompset Shoot. :( That busts the way bug 6874 is done. 04:02 eythian I'd expect so 04:02 mtompset when you clone a subfield, should the value be copied? 01:44 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:44 eythian no wahanui csvtomarc is <reply>the latest version is at https://www.gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox (in migration/Generic) - improvements welcome. 01:42 wahanui the latest version is at https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox - improvements welcome 01:42 eythian wahanui: csvtomarc 01:32 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:32 eythian no wahanui, migration toolbox is https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox 01:30 wahanui i think migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 01:30 eythian wahanui: migration toolbox 01:06 mtompset Oh, 30 minutes... you probably aren't. Oh well. :( 01:05 mtompset bag: Are you still here? 00:29 tcohen Terminal D is fresh and comfortable 00:28 bag yes that's a big airport 00:26 tcohen nice huge airport :-D 00:26 tcohen Dallas 00:20 bag heya tcohen