Time  Nick         Message
00:52 cait         hi #koha
00:53 bshum        cait: I wasn't around long, but I already miss hanging out with everyone.
00:53 cait         aaw
00:53 cait         I will share that feeling too soon
00:53 cait         it was nice to meet you :)
00:54 bshum        I spent most of today explaining that when I say "library" I mean books not software.
00:54 bshum        Well, just software.
00:54 bshum        cait: Yes, it was very nice meeting you as well. :D
00:55 cait         where are you right now? :)
00:55 bshum        I'm on the Google bus leaving their campus and heading back to the hotel.
00:56 cait         oh
00:57 cait         :)
00:58 bshum        Heh, yeah, it's fun, but not the same as hanging with library folks.
01:02 oleonard     Hi #koha
01:02 cait         hi oleonard :)
01:02 cait         hm need a name for the wiki page where i am going to put the table with the feedback from the librarian
01:02 cait         s
01:02 cait         Kohacon13/?
01:03 oleonard     Wishlist?
01:04 cait         :)
01:04 cait         picked that :)
01:05 oleonard     Anyone here who went on the boat trip?
01:06 oleonard     I'm curious how it was
01:10 rambutan     wonder if rangi will post some bullet points from his "change the oil" presentation. I had to leave exactly at that point.
01:12 oleonard     I'm sure he could rambutan
01:13 oleonard     Safely home now?
01:14 rambutan     yea, but not without class 10 annoyance. Flight from RNO - DEN was delayed about 4 hours, missed connecting flight
01:14 rambutan     ended up getting into KCI at about 0100
01:14 oleonard     Yuck
01:14 rambutan     BTW, was good to meet you in person! Cait too! Everybody else too!
01:15 oleonard     Yes, likewise
01:15 cait         rambutan: sorry for the delayed flight, nice to meet you too
01:15 cait         i am filling up a wiki page now with all the comments for tomorrow
01:15 cait         oleonard: some are for you it looks like :)
01:16 oleonard     Good :)
01:16 oleonard     cait would you like help?
01:16 rambutan     I liked Paul's/Brendan presentaton
01:16 rambutan     oops...
01:16 cait         filling the page or fixing all that? :)
01:16 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaCon13/Hackfest/Wishlist&action=edit
01:16 cait         hm without the edit probably
01:16 oleonard     Filling the page
01:16 rambutan     on signoffs. Had no idea it would be so easy with the sandboxes. I should be able to figure it out now
01:18 gmcharlt     howdy
01:18 wahanui      hello, gmcharlt
01:18 rambutan     gmcharlt!
01:18 wahanui      rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology
01:18 oleonard     How was the boat ride gmcharlt?
01:18 cait1        oleonard: it's ok, it's not too much
01:18 cait1        i just thought i might get started on it
01:18 gmcharlt     oleonard: nice scenery; took a while to get our lunch, though
01:19 cait1        but if you already want to take a look and comment or look for related bugs that would be nice
01:19 cait1        gmcharlt: we had lunch in a basement, because there was beer
01:19 gmcharlt     cait1: do you want me to stick the stuff transcribed from the roundtables on that wiki page or a different one?
01:19 cait1        ;)
01:19 gmcharlt     cait1++
01:19 cait1        gmcharlt: whatever you prefer :)
01:25 cait1        hm might have killed my browser...
01:25 cait1        should save more often.
01:34 cait1        first page done
01:34 cait1        some of them are not very detailed
01:34 cait1        not sure i understand all
01:35 oleonard     Too bad nengard won't be with us to help translate
01:39 gmcharlt     cait1: I'm making a separate page for the transcriptions
01:40 gmcharlt     I should be done in about half an hour (then I will want dinner) :)
01:40 cait1        ok
01:40 cait1        :)
01:40 cait1        we meet at 7
01:40 cait1        i am almost done
01:40 cait1        5-6 more
01:40 cait1        someone asking for more structured inventory workflow
01:40 gmcharlt     ok, we'll be down at 7
01:40 BobB         hi cait, another group is meeting at 7:30
01:40 cait1        without runing reports and batch editing items - wondering why not using the inventory tool?
01:41 cait1        aah
01:41 cait1        overlap :)
01:41 BobB         so anyone in Reno, go to bottom of lifts at 7 or 7.30 to join a group for dinner
01:41 BobB         :)
01:41 gmcharlt     anybody not in Reno, start running in that direction NOW!
01:41 cait1        now?
01:41 wahanui      now is, like, good time with holidays coming up
01:41 cait1        but i have to finish this!
01:42 gmcharlt     cait1: you're in Reno, you don't need to run :)
01:46 cait1        gmcharlt++ for helping with the transcriptions
01:46 cait1        you got the reail hard part
01:46 cait1        I am done with mine for now :)
01:46 gmcharlt     cait1++
01:47 cait1        @karma cait1
01:47 huginn       cait1: Karma for "cait1" has been increased 6 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 5.
01:47 cait1        heh :)
01:50 cait1        ok, on my way downstairs now :)
01:55 * oleonard   too
04:22 gmcharlt     @quote random
04:22 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010)
05:41 * cait       waves
07:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #353 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #353: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/353/
07:56 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log
07:56 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10362: ensure that all messages and alerts are shown upon checkin
07:56 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10664: fix error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency
07:56 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10664 [QA Followup] - fix error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency
07:56 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10483: fix item uniqueness check on order form
07:56 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10715 - MARC21 007 Plugin Editor doesn't load position 01
07:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10712 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Some values not saved in koha install log
07:56 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10703: Add db documentation for biblioimages table
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , on return with reserve or transfer the alerts are not shown
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10664 normal, P4, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Software error in overdue_notices.pl if there is no active currency
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , check_uniqueness.pl does not work
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10715 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , MARC21 007 Plugin Editor doesn't load position 01
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10703 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , add/update database documentation
07:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #354 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #354: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/354/
08:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10481: FIX No enrollment fee when changing patron category.
08:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10481: Unit tests for C4::Members::AddEnrolmentFeeIfNeeded
08:39 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10481: (follow-up) fix typo in POD
08:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10481 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , No enrollment fee when changing patron category
14:14 saa          i am struggling hard to get koha going but my opac search is not working i tried putting query since yday but yet did not get any answer
14:15 saa          is there anyone who can help to check what is going wrong while i am installing koha on either lubuntu or ubuntu 64 bit version
14:15 saa          i can paste then intranet and opac log
14:51 paul_p       good morning #koha ! breakfast somewhere planned ?
14:51 jcamins      paul_p: meeting at the elevators at 8.
14:51 paul_p       ok, 9 mn then ;-)
15:09 * oleonard   clutches this wifi signal and hisses at anyone who comes near
16:19 oleonard     Hi hackfesters!
16:20 oleonard     Anyone here for the hackfest who isn't physically at the hackfest?
16:36 bag          morning
16:36 wahanui      morning is probably a state of cat
16:41 msaby        hello #koha
16:41 gmcharlt     hi msaby
16:41 jcamins      Hi msaby. We're just going around the room introducing ourselves.
16:41 jcamins      I haven't been taking notes, so I'm not sure who we are.
16:41 msaby        not hackfesting, but curious ;-)
16:42 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack cookie
16:42 wahanui      :)
16:43 gmcharlt     jcamins: amorphous patch-writing-testing-hacker-blobs? ;)
16:43 jcamins      gmcharlt: yep.
16:43 msaby        but for the record : Mathieu Saby from France, librarian
16:48 jcamins      msaby: Galen just introduced you verbally.
16:51 msaby        jcamins: I am flattered ;-)
16:53 * magnuse    waves
16:54 magnuse      (but is not really here)
16:54 talljoy      hi magnuse!
16:54 magnuse      howdy talljoy
16:55 oleonard     Hi magnuse, I want to ask you about your comment on Bug 11057
16:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11057 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bootstrap theme: Don't hide language chooser below the fold
16:55 magnuse      shoot!
16:55 oleonard     The language-chooser has always been hidden below the fold.
16:55 oleonard     Or do I misunderstand?
16:56 magnuse      take a look at http://demo.bibkat.no/
16:56 magnuse      there it sits at the bottom of the content
16:56 magnuse      if you have lots of content on the front page it will be pushed below the fold
16:56 magnuse      but then it feels more natural to look for it at the bottom
16:57 jcamins      magnuse: it's always been like that, hasn't it?
16:57 magnuse      in the bootstrap theme it seems to be hidden on purpose, pushed down below the fold even if there is very little content
16:57 oleonard     Okay, I just wanted to make sure I understood your comment
16:57 magnuse      jcamins: yeah, i think it has looked like it does on demo.bibkat.no for a long time
16:59 oleonard     Actually someone suggested--sorry, now I can't remember--putting it in the user menu at the top somehow
17:00 jcamins      oleonard: I am in favor of that.
17:00 jcamins      I think that might have been me.
17:04 * magnuse    is not opposed to moving it
17:04 * magnuse    wanders off roast some pumpkin seeds - enjoy the hackfest folks!
17:08 oleonard     I might fix the simpler aspect of that bug first and then try the more drastic solution
17:08 jcamins      Makes sense.
17:09 gmcharlt     +1 to moving to top
17:14 rambutan     #koha needs -> http://www.reuters.com/video/2099/01/01/reuters-tv-video?videoId=274185382 + http://berglondon.com/projects/availabot/
17:15 rambutan     would be a real hoot to watch all the players standing up and falling down
17:18 tcohen       hi "koha!
17:35 tcohen       @later tell mtompset: i think we should leave the instructions for now as they where before
17:35 tcohen       @later tell mtompset i think we should leave the instructions for now as they where before
17:35 tcohen       @later tell mtompset creating an updated package for the lib is the only way, otherwise we are just confusing the stable branch users
17:35 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:35 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:35 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:40 oleonard     Just realized git-bz isn't working on this laptop :(
17:41 oleonard     NameError: global name 'host' is not defined
17:41 wahanui      i already had it that way, oleonard.
17:41 * cait       points oleonard to the cookies
17:41 cait         have you set up all the git bz parameters from the wiki?
17:41 oleonard     Anyone familiar with that error?
17:41 cait         have you checked out the fishsoup branch?
17:41 * oleonard   thought he had done both
17:42 oleonard     git-bz?
17:42 wahanui      i guess git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
17:42 cait         oleonard: can you poke the guy next t you and tell him to log onto IRC?
17:42 rangi        cait: can you see http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/
17:42 cait         yep can see :)
17:43 cait         trying to work through my qa mail quickly right now
17:43 Ashimema     Yo channel...
17:43 rangi        cool
17:43 cait         then going to work on 10493
17:43 cait         yo Ashimema
17:43 oleonard     rangi was sure to sign off on 6 bugs before starting the scoreboard? :)
17:43 rangi        heh
17:43 magnuse      rangi++
17:43 rangi        just testing
17:43 Ashimema     My ears were burning.. then owen told me why
17:43 cait         :)
17:44 magnuse      rangi: looks good from here :-)
17:44 cait         Ashimema: pm :)
17:46 oleonard     Thanks cait, I guess I hadn't done one of the config things
17:46 cait         glad you figured it out :)
17:48 rangi        ok scoreboard up to date
17:48 oleonard     druthb++
17:49 cait         rangi++
17:49 cait         can we put the link on the hackfest page maybe?
17:49 druthb       oleonard++  #Did it actually work?
17:49 oleonard     Rebuilding my ar-Arab template now
17:49 rangi        if by we do you mean anyone except me, then yes we can
17:50 druthb       Then we can annoy cait to QA it.
17:51 cait         i did it :)
17:51 magnuse      druthb++ first kitten saved!
17:51 cait         woohoo
17:51 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest#Fix_all_the_bugs.21
17:52 drojf        kittens \o/
17:52 cait         at the bottom
17:52 cait         hey drojf
17:52 cait         joining us? :)
17:52 drojf        hi cait
17:52 drojf        no, sorry. have to read :(
17:52 drojf        would love to
17:52 jcamins      drojf: you should read patches!
17:53 drojf        i can't hand them in as a thesis though :/
17:53 drojf        how is kohacon so far?
17:53 jcamins      drojf: oh, fine.
17:53 druthb       WOOO HOOO!
17:55 drojf        yay!
17:55 druthb       drojf!
17:56 drojf        druthb! :)
17:58 oleonard     druthb: I think you need to make a case for why the direction style should be hard-coded in the template rather than added to the right-to-left CSS file
17:58 oleonard     I'm not sure there would be a reason to override it in custom CSS, but one can't do that as easily if it's in the HTML
18:01 druthb       Hrm.  Should I try again, doing it on the id?
18:02 dpk          Sorry we had to run as soon as the bus got back but let me say that Elaine and I had a great time, learned a lot, and made a bunch of new friends.  Hopefully we will be seeing more of us here, on the list, and perhaps for some of the Seattle crowd, in person.
18:03 druthb       oleonard:  The case was, I was lazy and did it that way.  Since the div has an ID, i could just as easily do it in the css.
18:04 oleonard     In that case I will ask for more
18:04 drojf        oh jcamins, i came across a zebra question. we have an index that is supposed to be for marc21 260$a, but it also indexes all other subfields besides $b and $c (i think, maybe slightly different). can i remove the general "melm 260" and leave "melm 260$a bla", "melm 260$b bleh", "melm 260$c something", or is the generic 260 (all fields) needed?
18:04 jcamins      drojf: nooooo.
18:04 jcamins      drojf: yeah, you can do that.
18:04 drojf        yay!
18:05 drojf        see, it was not bad at all ;)
18:05 bag          BobB++
18:05 bag          going a great job down there :)
18:06 BobB         :)
18:06 druthb       oleonard:  Should i do it in global.css, or in right-to-left.css, since the diff is *only* needed in rtl?
18:06 msaby        drojf: I made some patches for Zebra relying on the same idea
18:07 msaby        for example to index only some subfields in subjects
18:07 msaby        it works ;-)
18:07 oleonard     druthb: right-to-left.css I would say
18:08 druthb       okie.
18:08 drojf        msaby: good to know. i wasn't sure as it seemed there was a generic one for each field. maybe someone else was not sure about it when the file was created. ;)
18:10 msaby        drojf: I see 260 in MARC21 is like 210 in UNIMARC. For that field we index separately each subfield I think (place of publication / publisher name / date)
18:11 msaby        drojf: By the way, I've never seen a reader searching by place of publication...
18:13 drojf        yes, that is what my librarian wants. it would not matter in theory, users don't know it and should only enter a place name. but if they accidentally enter a date, because they choose the wrong search type from the list, they will end up with something in subfield g (i think) which would be confusing
18:14 msaby        drojf: Is the date in 260 indexed as well as the date in coded field? don't remember that. In unimarc we index only the date in 210, but I'm considering using coded field instead. maybe both sould be indexed...
18:15 drojf        the date index is 260 and a coded field somewhere else, i think
18:16 jcamins      008
18:16 dcook        264 as well
18:16 jcamins      True.
18:17 * dcook      says without looking at the conversation as well
18:17 dcook        as well = at all
18:17 drojf        heh
18:17 jcamins      Because nothing says "huge improvement in standard" like "new number."
18:17 drojf        :D
18:17 talljoy      :-/
18:23 druthb       oleonard:  help, help, a kitten is about to die!
18:25 druthb       CSS Gawd or Gawdess needed!
18:26 talljoy      meow
18:31 msaby        What! there's a note column in both biblio and biblioitems?
18:32 jcamins      msaby: yeah, we're not sure why.
18:32 rangi        before MARC broke koha
18:33 rangi        you could have biblio level notes, then manifestation level notes
18:33 msaby        jcamins: I'm writing UT for some Acq sub, and fighting with "note", in aqorders and biblio. But I did not think it was too in biblioitems
18:34 * druthb     blames talljoy
18:34 cait         dpk: sorry to have missed saying goodbye to you - was nice to meet the two of you :)
18:34 msaby        ok, don't you think it would be a good thing to clean all old unused fields in database?
18:34 talljoy      druthb grrrrrr
18:34 talljoy      msaby yes please!!!!
18:35 msaby        talljoy: hem not this evening
18:35 rangi        only when you have it fully unit tested and can guarantee you wont break anything for any of the 4000+ koha users
18:35 rangi        because ive had 14 years of that, and im utterly sick of it
18:36 * cait       points rangi to jared's cookies and the german chocolates
18:36 msaby        rangi: I began to wrote some bugs about it (like Bug 11010), but I was said some useless column was to be used some day by some dev...
18:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11010 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Useless column purchaseordernumber in aqorders table
18:36 cait         msaby: the hard bit is making sure noone has used the field
18:36 cait         and has data in there
18:37 druthb       cait++
18:37 talljoy      cait++
18:38 msaby        cait:is a grep in all perl files suffcient for that? or you would do other tests?
18:38 cait         grepping the perl files would not really help you there
18:38 cait         because it's the mapping done in configuration
18:38 cait         but also grepping that the field is not used hardcoded somewhere is needed of course
18:39 msaby        cait:so if I understant, if  these fields are not harmful, better not touching it...
18:40 cait         i think there are other kittens to save... :)
18:41 druthb       saving-kittens++
18:46 druthb       @seen oak
18:46 huginn       druthb: oak was last seen in #koha 6 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <Oak> in that case i'll let you do your thing :)
18:46 druthb       @seen Brooke
18:46 huginn       druthb: Brooke was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Brooke> hey cait :D
18:46 druthb       @later tell Brooke now you can't say no one ever talks to you when you log in.
18:46 huginn       druthb: The operation succeeded.
18:57 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9d45e4f6a39d716f3282cd0468d84296cfc4a90>
19:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #163 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1458 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1451 2 days 19 hr ago)
19:07 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbc0a847200edcacc81b010bc37bba6df712d5a6> / Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc795c75d9e43026c112364d3ebb08f86d73ab54> / Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed38698247d79b7bfb8
19:47 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #163: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/163/
19:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers
19:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: more options for serialsUpdate.pl
19:47 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes
19:47 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma
19:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit
19:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10969 blocker, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers
19:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , more options for serialsUpdate.pl
20:11 druthb       oleonard++  #Thanx for the testing and signoff.
20:41 tcohen       hi magnuse
20:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1458: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1458/
20:54 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10969: Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers
20:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: more options for serialsUpdate.pl
20:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9739: (follow-up) cosmetic changes
20:54 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9739: (follow-up) add missing comma
20:54 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 9739: (follow-up) improve help text a bit
20:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10969 blocker, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Fix sample itemtypes for translated installers
20:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , more options for serialsUpdate.pl
20:57 druthb       [off] I brought a big bag of my small woodworkings with me, and am giving some nice discounts.  But if you're not here, give it a few days, then check at http://transformedwoodworks.com, and use coupon code KOHACON13 for a 20% discount.
21:02 * magnuse    cheers the hackfesters on, then falls asleep
21:07 cait         [off] druthb: nice :)
21:07 cait         druthb++
21:35 rambutan     are those handcrafted by D Ruth Bavousett?
21:36 eythian      hi
21:36 rambutan     hi eythian
21:41 rambutan     druthb: you should make duck calls. http://x2t.com/5/duck http://x2t.com/6/duck http://x2t.com/7/duck
21:42 rambutan     you know duck calls sell for $75 - $250 or so?
21:42 druthb       yep.  I've thought about 'em, but not sure how good a market I'll find.
21:42 druthb       rambutan:  and yea, all my stuff is handcrafted by me.
21:43 rambutan     amazing talent. I assume you have some type of small lathe?
21:50 cait         hi eythian
21:51 eythian      hello cait
21:51 wahanui      hello cait are you here?
21:51 cait         your patch just getting qa'd from bag
21:51 cait         :)
21:52 eythian      which patch is that?
21:52 wahanui      i already had it that way, eythian.
21:53 cait         the ldap one uli signed off on
21:55 eythian      oh sweet
22:03 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack fruit skewer
22:03 wahanui      thanks druthb :)
22:04 dcook        marc history?
22:04 wahanui      i heard marc history was http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html
22:04 dcook        merci wahanui
22:12 bag          cait?
22:12 wahanui      cait: go to bed
22:12 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13/Hackfest/Wishlist
22:12 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13/Roundtable_Notes
22:14 eythian      > Stop calling it the OPAC -- call it the catalog(ue)
22:14 eythian      I agree with the spirit, but catalogue is ambiguous I feel.
22:16 dcook        tcohen++
22:16 dcook        Tiken Jah Fakoly ftw
22:18 oleonard     In fact "we" don't call it the OPAC anywhere *in* the OPAC, so it's not much of an issue for our public users
22:20 dcook        That's true. I think OPAC is largely an internal word
22:21 dcook        That said, I do wonder if catalog(ue) is the word that users use..
22:21 * dcook      seems to remember reading something that suggested that it was...but...*shrug*
22:21 dcook        When using my public library, I suppose I usually say that I'm checking the library website
22:22 eythian      I'll often use "public catalogue"
22:24 cait         but isn't that again internal?
22:24 cait         i mean staff will sayt hat
22:24 cait         but patrons have no idea that there is a public and an internal one
22:25 eythian      that's a good point.
22:26 BobB         hi William
22:27 BobB         hi denise
22:27 William      HELLO bOB AND dENISE
22:28 BobB         hey cait, William and Denise are using #koha for the first time
22:28 jdeca        Hello
22:29 * jdeca      slaps William around a bit with a large fishbot
22:29 * William    falls to the floor
22:30 dcook        Poor William
22:30 dcook        yay for using #koha!
22:30 eythian      wahanui: test
22:30 * wahanui    does a testing dance
22:30 eythian      hrm, computer just told me the network went down. It appears it was lying to me.
22:31 * cait       waves to William, Denise
22:31 talljoy      grumpy cat has made an official appearance on the scoreboard!
22:31 cait         William: want to know what the weather is like outside? :)
22:31 talljoy      rangi++
22:31 Denise       back at you, Cait
22:31 cait         @wunder Reno, Nevada
22:31 eythian      @wunder nzwn
22:31 huginn       cait: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 20.7°C (3:30 PM PDT on October 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:31 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 21, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:32 William      Welcome to the land of the Farenheiters
22:34 eythian      sounds like some kind of German meat product.
22:42 gmcharlt     @quote random
22:42 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010)
22:55 eythian      https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/youtube-1 <-- rangi
22:59 rambutan     This app is unavailable for your platform.
23:03 eythian      it's for firefox OS.
23:04 rambutan     ah, oh, not linux, ok
23:05 eythian      not gnu/linux, anyway. Firefox OS is a linux-based distro.
23:07 rambutan     yes, of course. just me expressing my minor annoyance.
23:17 dcook        Any ideas on how to run updatedatabase.pl manually when using koha-gitify?
23:17 dcook        I'm trying to set the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF and then running it but @INC seems to still be missing the path specified in PERL5LIB...
23:17 eythian      dcook: just use koha-rebuild-zebra
23:18 eythian      oh
23:18 eythian      I'm not paying the right amount of attention, that makes no sense as an answer.
23:18 dcook        I need to use the updatedatabase.pl from my git :/
23:18 dcook        hehe
23:18 eythian      it should work.
23:18 rangi        koha-shell instancename
23:18 rangi        then run it
23:19 rangi        koha-shell will set the right environment
23:19 eythian      you can actually do koha-shell -c 'command' instancename too.
23:19 eythian      though, it might set up the environment to point to the packaged version.
23:19 eythian      in fact, it will, so that might or might not work for you.
23:20 dcook        In this case, it'll work just fine :)
23:20 dcook        thanks eythian and rangi
23:21 dcook        I'm still at a loss to why it wasn't working but...this works
23:21 dcook        rangi++
23:21 dcook        eythian++
23:21 rangi        permissions
23:21 wahanui      somebody said permissions was most likely the problem
23:22 eythian      dcook: @INC definitely should reflect what you've put in PERL5LIB
23:23 dcook        ahhh
23:23 dcook        good one, rangi
23:23 cait         rangi: which password does the koha-shell expect?
23:24 cait         i can't seem to figure it out
23:24 eythian      cait: use sudo
23:24 eythian      it expects the password for the koha instance user, which probably isn't set.
23:24 cait         oh
23:25 cait         it looks better
23:25 cait         should i worry about those? bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device
23:25 cait         bash: no job control in this shell
23:25 eythian      I think you have something a little weird, but it probably won't affect basic use.
23:27 dcook        Yeah I get "bash: no job control in this shell" as well, cait
23:27 cait         eythian: it's not always me...
23:28 dcook        But it's never given me any problems
23:29 * dcook      tries to remember how we're building other frameworks than default going forward..
23:29 dcook        frameworks?
23:29 wahanui      frameworks are a big topic
23:29 dcook        frameworks?
23:29 wahanui      frameworks are a big topic