Time Nick Message 23:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10365: change routing slips to use date published rather than planned date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=015b9c660c55df84c4fcdfe12f3e89e73453eebb> 23:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #145 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry 23:44 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9282: (follow-up) remove log noise caused by authorities/ysearch.pl 23:44 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9282: (follow-up) add authtypecode to authority auto-completion search 23:44 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9282: improve auto-completion for authority record finder 23:44 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #144: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/144/ 23:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10602: DBrev 3.13.00.026 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5307d10a912827d20c3bec6af58e57b7735afff0> / Bug 10602: (follow-up) to remove tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=329e7511b30e1ba4f972b972a5acf4872f7ed78b> / Bug 10602: Set default value for authority fields via the framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e273e11b0 23:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #1439 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1437 3 hr 6 min ago) 23:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, In Discussion , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode 23:28 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter 23:28 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing 23:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1438: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1438/ 23:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9295: DBRev 3.13.00.025 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81cdaf131f2557d8dfde3ed6b656558f48496ebb> / Bug 9295: Introduce operator equal/ notequal to OAI set mapping instead of hardcoded... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8369aa8431a7948d0b26c59be94ff5b90f71a7a2> 22:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #144 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5202: (follow-up) tweak display of merge action link on staged batch page 22:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 5202: (follow-up) adjust for the move of the merge record Javascript 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up - correct license and POD errors 22:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Merge authority records 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up - improve merge reference selection 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: (follow-up) Quiet warning 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up 2 - fix overeager error message 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up: quiet warnings 22:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: merge authorities from the authority file and reservoir 22:59 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #143: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/143/ 22:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9282: (follow-up) remove log noise caused by authorities/ysearch.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f6999bfdb12d2dd19c454a6b54a58a3f7a6490d> / Bug 9282: (follow-up) add authtypecode to authority auto-completion search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1a289a1913bebf95e31b818ad365e7b9d36c4a7> / Bug 9282: improve auto-completion for authority record finder 22:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #143 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:13 gmcharlt rangi: I was wondering why you were responding to UNIMARC RFPs ;) 22:13 cait heh 22:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Merge authority records 22:06 rangi bug 5202 that is 22:05 rangi :) 22:05 rangi thats good cos i just answered an rfp saying we could do that 22:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5202: (follow-up) tweak display of merge action link on staged batch page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa86e7eb7526b7f4a4ab5af6134db5655cd3e6d2> / bug 5202: (follow-up) adjust for the move of the merge record Javascript <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a2aa0e7687ac113d1a98c37a4bc8338fea156a4> / Bug 5202: QA follow-up - correct license and POD errors <h 22:05 rangi yay 21:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, In Discussion , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode 21:57 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter 21:57 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing 21:57 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #142: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/142/ 21:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #1438 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10335 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information on parallel form 21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10037 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing 21:53 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly 21:53 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing 21:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode 21:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1437: SUCCESS in 1 hr 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1437/ 21:41 sabol Great, thanks for the info, it will be very helpful 21:39 rangi but you'd probably still want to do bulk loads at say the start of each year 21:39 rangi in which case you could just hook koha up to thta 21:39 rangi unless Banner has an LDAP interface? 21:38 sabol Right 21:38 rangi you just have to automate getting the csv and loading it in with a cron job or the like 21:38 sabol Awesome, thank you 21:38 rangi sure, if you automate it 21:37 sabol OK, but for other ILS you can have nightly loads of patron data, so that it is always up to date, is there something like that where it is automated? 21:36 rangi if it can export as csv, you can just load that in the import patron tool 21:36 sabol yes 21:36 rangi this thing http://www.ellucian.com/Solutions/Banner-Student/ ? 21:34 rangi what is banner? 21:34 sabol Is there a banner API for Koha to load patron data? 21:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d8b1ec7864837bfb139c547e6e461644b5f730d> / Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=521e599dd82061fd10321d681d06d1409134d39c> 21:20 cait true 21:20 gmcharlt (this, of course, is why unit tests with sample data can be very helpful, as it means that we're all looking at the same thing when testing) 21:19 gmcharlt in case it turns out I need to revert 21:19 gmcharlt yeah I've pushed it, but I"m leaving the bug with the status in discussion 21:18 cait hope i am making sense 21:18 cait in the results 21:18 cait well if you install with dom, it won't be working at all. I think pushing it would improve things and Joubu maybe can provide more information about the difference 21:18 cait currently you can't use it at all, but you can install it with dom 21:17 cait gmcharlt: maybe. i just did some vey basic testing and the results seemed to make sense, but others have confirmed it works... 21:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #142 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 21:15 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 21:15 eythian @wunder nzwn 21:14 gmcharlt my guess, TBH, is that one of the files hadn't been transferred properly before the reindexing was done 21:14 huginn cait: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 15.8°C (2:00 PM PDT on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 21:14 cait @wunder Reno, Nevada 21:14 cait brr. 21:14 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 21:13 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:13 cait hm why would it break the any index? and only of authorities or in general? 21:13 gmcharlt and if Joubu has a different dataset that /is/ breaking things, he can attach it to the bug :) 21:12 gmcharlt yeah, my inclination is to push it -- the tests make me pretty confident that it's not breaking the any index 21:12 cait the numbers are different - but which records make the difference 21:11 cait i think the interesitng bit is missing 21:08 cait hard to tell - i haven't read all of today's mail yet 21:07 gmcharlt just 11 21:07 gmcharlt as there aren't 27 records that even contain the sequence of letters 'wil' 21:07 gmcharlt I also suspect that Joubu's data set is not the same one that was supplied with the bug 21:06 cait not a bad start 21:06 gmcharlt at least insofar as UNIMARC authorities are behaving the same for both DOM and GRS-1 21:06 cait it did work for me too - but didn't do anything without 21:06 cait nice 21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, Failed QA , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode 21:06 cait bug 7421 21:06 gmcharlt I've written some test cases for 7421 -- and I'm reasonably confident that it's working 21:05 cait i shouldn't be... but i am :) 21:05 gmcharlt cait: around? 21:04 wahanui hi, eythian 21:04 eythian hi 20:45 cait i was about to tell you that you should be sleeping :) 20:44 * magnuse waves back then falls asleep 20:44 * cait waves 20:42 magnuse Shane-S: you might want to play a little with "h1#libraryname { height: 100px; }" in OPACUserCSS too ;-) 20:30 oleonard Bye #koha 20:27 Shane-S love* 20:27 Shane-S lose colorzilla site 20:26 Shane-S whes.npelem.com 20:26 Shane-S Yep, I just used the custom CSS and use a red gradient 20:26 oleonard Shane-S: Are you finding what you need? 20:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1437 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) test both GRS1 and DOM indexing 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8852 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , branch not showing in serials results 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) standardize name of Identifier-publisher-for-music index 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities 20:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) tidy up long lines in bib1.att 20:22 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: (follow-up) fix biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) 20:22 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 8852: DOM XSL now handles subfield substring extraction 20:22 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Followup for Date/time-last-modified and Music number 20:22 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for DOM 20:22 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for GRS-1 20:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1436: SUCCESS in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1436/ 20:22 Shane-S well chome's inspect element works well too, but it kept giving me yui referrences 20:21 Shane-S no wonder I can't find it, I am in the yui css 20:21 oleonard Yes, but if you read the part about using Firebug, you could have found it yourself ;) 20:21 Shane-S oleonard: lol I was reading your blog...and was about to scream...you covered every area AROUND that bar and the logo...yet to find the actual bar :P 20:16 oleonard #opac-main-search, line 973 of opac.css 20:15 jcamins ^^ I think that might be there 20:15 Shane-S I want to make it red, but can;t find if it is an image or a CSS gradient 20:15 wahanui i guess oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha 20:15 jcamins oleonard's blog? 20:14 Shane-S anyone know the CSS class to get the blue default background? 20:11 rangi yay! 20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10335 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information on parallel form 20:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10037 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing 20:10 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly 20:10 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing 20:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode 20:10 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #141: FIXED in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/141/ 20:10 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 20:05 rangi http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11138156 20:05 rangi dont worry, we are helping out 20:05 rangi heh 20:04 bag I wish I was canadian right now 20:01 rangi http://www.mentalfloss.com/article/53071/meet-beer-fridge-opens-only-canadians 19:57 rangi bag: opac-opensearch.tt would be my suspect 19:55 Shane-S 999 for months for account not to expire right? 19:55 rangi heh 19:55 oleonard Get out of there! The RSS is coming from inside the house! 19:54 rangi i see dead files 19:54 rangi :) 19:53 bag yes it's dead - I was chasing a dead path :P 19:53 bag back to the drawing board - thanks 19:53 rangi :) 19:53 rangi afaik 19:53 rangi and is dead dead dead 19:53 rangi rss.pl creates static files 19:53 bag lightbulb went off 19:53 rangi bag: can you put int he full url? 19:53 bag yeah it doesn't 19:52 rangi hmm im not sure that uses rss.pl 19:52 bag format=rss2 19:51 bag one sec 19:51 jcamins Hrm. What would a call to rss.pl look like? 19:51 bag I'm going to try and restart plack tonight too - I didn't think of that last night 19:50 bag I did add an exception to the rewrite rule - for rss.pl to not go to port 5000 and restarted apache2 but no luck 19:50 jcamins bag: I have never tried it, but I'll look now. 19:50 bag surprising oleonard but yes someone is using it 19:49 bag (btw I'm using a rewrite rule in apache to get to port 5000) 19:49 oleonard Someone out there is using rss.pl? 19:49 bag hey those of you out there that are using plack on your opac's do you all have any problem with the rss.pl? I've got one that is using localhost (127.0.0.1) instead of the OPACbaseURL 19:48 Shane-S THERE WE GO! different login, thank you! 19:47 Shane-S ah much better no complaining other then FQDN 19:47 jcamins Then reload or restart Apache. 19:47 jcamins Yes. 19:47 Shane-S can I add it after *:80 and before the LISTEN 80 and LISTEN 8080 lines? 19:45 jcamins magnuse: ewww. 19:45 magnuse jcamins: it's the protocol, sadly... 19:44 jcamins To /etc/apache2/ports.conf. 19:44 jcamins You probably need to add NameVirtualHost *:8080 19:43 Shane-S odd it is set, but apache warned of an overlap...let me pastebin it 19:39 Shane-S cause my personal login worked 19:39 Shane-S yeah let me check 19:39 jcamins There are two in the file. 19:39 jcamins It sounds like you didn't adjust both virtual hosts. 19:38 Shane-S Actually....should it show National Park school since this is a new instance? 19:38 jcamins You shouldn't. 19:38 Shane-S do I need to change it from My Library to what is in the Drop Down? 19:38 Shane-S file name is woodburyhts... I am doing koha_woodburyhts and pasting the password...not working 19:37 Shane-S okay.... 19:36 jcamins koha_instancename 19:36 Shane-S Is the username koha_library or koha_instancename? 19:36 * Shane-S beats head on desk...so I got my password...my god is that long but...uh....username koha_library isnt working 19:34 rangi http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/going-beyond-vulnerability-rewards.html 19:31 Shane-S whes.npelem.com = maintaince, while library.npelem.com = normal 19:31 Shane-S oh jcamins I got it working fyi, ty 19:31 Shane-S you know the first web-login 19:31 Shane-S uhh...lost the wiki pages, was it packages or install that tell me where to find the instance password in a file 19:31 rangi SIP sux, but at least its compact :) 19:30 rangi with the only actual useful bit being the item identifier 19:29 rangi i have to send the minimum of 15 lines of xml 19:29 rangi say i want to lookupanitem 19:29 rangi yes, and yes 19:29 jcamins rangi: so, really ugly and horrible? 19:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #141 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #139 1 day 13 hr ago) 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly 19:29 rangi fwiw 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) test both GRS1 and DOM indexing 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8852 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , branch not showing in serials results 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) standardize name of Identifier-publisher-for-music index 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities 19:29 rangi ncip reminds me a lot of SOAP 19:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) tidy up long lines in bib1.att 19:29 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: (follow-up) fix biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) 19:29 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 8852: DOM XSL now handles subfield substring extraction 19:29 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Followup for Date/time-last-modified and Music number 19:29 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for DOM 19:29 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for GRS-1 19:29 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #140: UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/140/ 19:28 * jcamins isn't sure if magnuse has a soap allergy or has been using that appalling XML-based protocol that some sadist came up with for over-network RPC. 19:26 rangi cya magnuse 19:26 magnuse have fun, #koha! 19:26 magnuse soap-- 19:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68c44093a414dac6ac1319c03b6dee0d152f24cd> 19:21 data-doctor Sorry, the other modules do use the existing notifications, you just can't add new notifications. 19:14 Shane-S okay....set the ServerNames correctly now....have to wait for DNS to propogate now 19:09 tcohen bye #koha 19:07 Shane-S so...to make this work correctly, (all pound does it redirect the http-head to the right IP), I need to setup both server names correctly right? 19:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5298140c67d7494df48b9e9e5b5bfa59133e1b39> / Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2173a97b292a83dcf89a564b1ffe8adb73e7ae4d> 19:01 rangi (none of this is really Koha btw, but Apache :)) 19:01 Shane-S ah okay 19:01 rangi look at the includes 19:01 rangi it doesnt 19:00 Shane-S jcamins: How does Koha work without "DocumentRoot"? 18:58 Shane-S jcamins: not concerned with SSL/https 18:58 jcamins Only when you try to access the second. 18:58 data-doctor When creating a new notification or "Notice" there is a choice of many modules, however the only modules that currently use notifications are circulation and reserves. 18:58 Shane-S jcamins: shouldn;t the default IP internally break though now that I have koha and woodburhts in the sites available 18:58 jcamins Of course, SSL is not going to work with the second site. 18:57 Shane-S true, still working now, so I do need to see what I did with the pound redirects 18:57 jcamins When there's only one option, you can't possibly make a wrong choice. 18:56 jcamins Not really. 18:56 Shane-S jcamins: okay, odd that is has worked with my main site URL being called just "koha" 18:55 jcamins Take a look at the Apache documentation on name-based virtual hosts. 18:55 jcamins No, you want to change the ServerName. 18:55 Shane-S jcamins: Okay, do I change the * entry on the new instance, to be like woodbryhts.com:80 versus *:80 18:54 tcohen :D 18:54 jcamins You may also need to modify your reverse proxy configuration, depending how you have it set up. 18:54 jcamins Shane-S: in the virtual hosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available 18:54 rangi tcohen: you are right, however the double encoding actually occurs in C4/Templates not C4/Output afaict, but you and I can sort this out in Reno I bet :) 18:53 Shane-S I use a reverse proxy currently, and we only had the 1 instance, and the *:80 *:8080 entries worked 18:51 Shane-S okay, so where do you designate domain1 = library 1 and domain2 = library 2 18:50 magnuse and vendors are sort of hesitant to admit that the authority data belongs to the libraries, i think 18:49 magnuse yeah, makes things so much more interesting 18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #1436 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:49 magnuse there is no NORMARC format for authorities 18:49 gmcharlt fun 18:49 magnuse gmcharlt: each proprietary system has solved it in their own way, i think 18:48 gmcharlt how do Norwegian libraries do authority control? 18:47 magnuse unless marc is obsolete before i get to it 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9057 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for athorities to NORMARC 18:47 magnuse gmcharlt: but i have a cunning plan, aka bug 9057 18:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #140 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:45 gmcharlt magnuse: how very anarchistic 18:44 magnuse yeah, NORMARC authorities are non-existent... 18:44 gmcharlt magnuse: just NORMAC bibs 18:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly 18:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9b09051e741ef7e74368e4c1ad52bdb0b7c32f4> / Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3ccbe145ce0f93d0db3d47da1ef7f2cdeb259af> / bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number <http://git.koha-community.org/g 18:43 magnuse gmcharlt: "Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities", right? 18:40 magnuse gmcharlt: thanks, i'll have a look 18:39 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 18:39 gmcharlt @later tell magnuse in the process of pushing 8252, I pushed a follow-up for 8260 that tied up a loose end for NOMARC; it shouldn't break anything, but I would appreciate a look-see 18:39 oleonard Not while you're RM you're not ;) 18:38 gmcharlt some day I am going to write a patch that does not have "follow-up" in the title 18:38 rangi Yay 18:38 bag cool 18:37 gmcharlt and now DOM indexing of UNIMARC records ... is a thing 18:36 Shane-S I am not following the logic in these, perhaps I should just start the new instance and find out 18:35 Shane-S sorry I am just used to apache files listing a URL and saying what document root to use 18:34 Shane-S but the VH is set to *: everywhere 18:33 Shane-S ServerName is set to koha 18:33 Shane-S am I going to have my work cut out for me to have say woodburyhts.npelem.com as a second library? 18:32 jcamins There wouldn't be any mention of any URL. It's just ServerName. 18:32 Shane-S jcamins: the only reference to a url is in a file named koha, and its VH with *:443 saying Redirect / http://library.npelem.com 18:31 magnuse yeah, no need to move files or create symlinks when you use koha-create 18:29 jcamins And there's a symlink in sites-enabled. 18:29 Shane-S ty 18:29 jcamins /etc/apache2/sites-available/[instancename] 18:28 Shane-S and then placing files in enabled 18:28 Shane-S I can't see to find my httd.conf or similar and I recall it being in like a sites/koha/instance type folder structure 18:28 Shane-S where does koha have the sites conf files located or their names so I can use locate 18:27 wahanui Morning is probably a state of cat 18:27 rangi Morning 18:19 Shane-S dusting off the cob-webs 18:19 Shane-S jcamins: okay, sorry been awhile since I set this all up :P 18:19 jcamins Right, since you're using name-based virtual hosts, you'll need to configure DNS to make the names resolve correctly. 18:18 Shane-S jcamins: well if I go to 10.0.0.15 it bring up my library, assuming that is because apache's default site is setup to respond for 10.0.0.15 with my site? 18:16 jcamins Nope, you'll need to set up DNS so that woodburyhts points to your server. 18:16 Shane-S Here is where I am slightly lost... "Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer" My server IP is 10.0.0.15, would the URL be 10.0.0.15/woodburyhts ? 18:14 Shane-S so...sudo koha-create --create-db newlib newlib=name I want, so like sudo koha-create --create-db woodburyhts ? 18:12 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:12 tcohen @later tell rangi utf8 is sort-of fixed in master with the move to template plugins for showing fixed value combos like patron types, item types and so on, because plugins do it outside the .pl and thus no double encoding in Output.pm 18:12 Shane-S now to go for that new instance stuff :P 18:12 Shane-S thinks seem okay from a basic search perspective 18:11 Shane-S checking now to make sure :P 18:10 oleonard If stale CSS is the worst of your problems then you are a winner 18:09 Shane-S sorry that was a little scary 18:08 Shane-S kk ty 18:08 jcamins It's stale CSS. 18:08 jcamins Shane-S: hold down alt and shift and refresh a few times. 18:08 Shane-S EEEEK.....3.12.05.000...am I supposed to have 4 search boxes up top on the admin pages? 18:07 tcohen will check the logs for rangi's ideas 18:07 tcohen :-D 18:07 tcohen "template plugins" 18:06 tcohen indeed :-D 18:06 magnuse tcohen: rangi had some minor revelations about encoding earlier - i think you will have an interesting kohacon ;-) 18:05 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 18:05 magnuse tcohen: hooray! 18:05 * Shane-S crosses fingers..just did dist-upgrade 18:00 tcohen i understood why there are some double encoding problems in 3.12 that don't appear in master 17:59 magnuse not sure this was a good idea, feel free to improve or unke it: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IndependentBranches_v.s._multiple_instances 17:59 mtompset what if what? 17:56 wahanui i think if is not a blocker, then you can sign-off on it 17:56 tcohen what if... 17:37 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 17:36 magnuse hiya mtompset 17:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:30 * Shane-S didn't run it for almost a year 17:30 Shane-S so, I will restart and re-do it. 17:30 * magnuse has never seen that 17:30 magnuse oh, ok 17:29 magnuse if you have installed other languages than en you need to update them too 17:29 Shane-S magnuse: okay, tons of packages were upgrades I say a few say something about next-restart 17:29 magnuse and no restart should be necessary 17:29 magnuse but yes, normally "sudo apt-get upgrade" will upgrade koha 17:28 magnuse Shane-S: if there are new dependiences, it will say koha-common was held back after yo urun the upgrade. then you have to do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" 17:26 Shane-S ty 17:26 wahanui log is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 17:26 oleonard log? 17:26 Shane-S hmm...were did that logged link go...swore it was in the message/topic area 17:24 Shane-S I ask, as so much ran, but I have I haven't restarted yet, my version is still 3.08.03.00, so just want to check before I do a restart 17:24 Shane-S totally new question: apt-get upgrade does that upgrade Koha as well? 17:23 Shane-S However that above statement clarifies it, they are an independent school, own rules, fines, fees, etc. 17:22 Shane-S magnuse: I agree, I just want to at least ask, I could be missing a key feature in Koha and didn't want to go creating something I don't need 17:22 oleonard The IndependentBranches option requires that all libraries be governed by the same set of system preferences. 17:22 Shane-S oleonard: Okay, thank you, I think that is probably the best idea for now. 17:22 magnuse i think that is very sound advice from oleonard 17:21 magnuse pros and cons of independentbranches vs multiple instances 17:21 oleonard If you want different libraries with entirely different collections, policies, preferences, etc, then you need different installations 17:21 oleonard Sorry Shane-S, I'm not familiar with the ups and downs of the IndependentBranches option 17:20 magnuse hm, this sounds like something we could have a page about on the wiki... 17:19 Shane-S and doing what the second responder said would potentially cause issue internally either restricting their "branch" or causes user error selecting other libraries right? 17:18 oleonard As far as I can tell, that solution is exactly what the packages provide you 17:17 Shane-S I forgot the ? my fault 17:17 oleonard Oh, sorry. 17:17 Shane-S oleonard: No saying it is, asking :P 17:17 Shane-S Just trying to consider limiting issues, but the idea of seperate URL/DB might be best, as they wouldn't affect us. 17:17 oleonard Why would that be a better option? 17:16 Shane-S Okay that sounds good... also see second comment: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Multiple-Libraries-On-One-Server-td3049830.html might that be a better option for me (same setup as the OP) 17:15 oleonard The name you use to create the new library is the name by which you access it, and the old site continues to work 17:14 oleonard Shane-S: It's the same as the process describe in the package install instructions for setting up a new installation 17:11 Shane-S If I do that, what URL do I go to setup a new library, and does my current library stay functional? 17:10 Shane-S Now new questions for jcamins / oleonard who mentioned the --create-newdb or soemthing like that on Tuesday 17:09 Shane-S seems I fixed it...had to keep "going down the rabbit hole" until I read a dependency that installed and then work my way back out 16:55 ubitus Hi everyone! One, hopefully quick, question: How come the call numbers don't get split on the spine labels if I set the "splic call numbers" option? Is there anything else I need to do? 16:44 Shane-S though I have no idea what to choose 16:43 Shane-S maybe I should try a newer version install is what I am seeing online 16:43 jeff Shane-S: ah. nevermind me, then. :-) 16:42 Shane-S err update then upgrad 16:42 jeff Shane-S: no guarantee that it will fix your issue, but thought i'd mention it just in case you hadn't run it. 16:42 Shane-S jeff, yeah started with apt-get upgrade, then ran apt-get upgrade and then apt-get -f install 16:42 jeff Shane-S: that will not install or remove any packages, but will update the package lists -- a necessary and useful thing 16:42 jeff Shane-S: just because it wasn't shown in the paste, I'll ask -- have you run "apt-get update" recently? 16:37 Shane-S my issue(s) http://pastebin.com/HdumkM2j 16:35 Shane-S anyone good at package dependency resolution? 16:25 kivilahtio considering how rarely Transfer weights are modified 16:24 kivilahtio jcamins: I will change TRUNCATE to DELETE in my patch. Makes no performance difference 16:13 reiveune bye 16:13 data-doctor It limits the value of the "New Notice" function to very tech-savvy users. 16:11 data-doctor codes 'HOLD,' 'HOLD_PRINT,' 'HOLD SMS,' etc 16:10 jcamins kivilahtio: that is correct. 16:10 data-doctor For example, module 'Holds recognizes 16:10 data-doctor When editing a Notice through Notices and Slips, the 'code' field is frozen...It seems like some tree structure would be useful here - allow only valid codes (otherwise it cannot be sent) that the selected module recognizes. 16:06 kivilahtio hi tcohen 16:06 tcohen hu #koha 16:03 kivilahtio Regarding my issue with AutoCommit, I think TRUNCATE is not Transaction-safe in MySQL. AutoCommit works fine until I run the function C4::HoldsQueue::UpdateTransportCostMatrix, which uses TRUNCATE to clean up existing data. 16:02 data-doctor And then you can assign it in the "Overdue Notices" 16:02 oleonard blou: For future reference: A blocker bug is one which is so severe that it should not be left unfixed in the next release 16:01 data-doctor And again, there appears to be no way to modify the message_transports directly, so when you add a new notice, the only way you can use it is if you select the 'circulation' module. 15:58 data-doctor the rest will be invalid. 15:58 data-doctor When a new notice is created, I get to choose the code and module. Their relationship is a little weird, because you can write in any code. Only codes that are already present in the message_transports will have any chance of being sent. 15:55 jcamins blou: I think the upgrade's more important, yes. Very few people have hierarchies, I think. 15:55 oleonard blou: The bug is not a blocker, it should be normal 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11035 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, NEW , Replace shortcut plugin jquery.hotkeys.min.js 15:55 blou bug 11035? 15:55 blou Upgrade jQuery > Authority detail? 15:55 gaetan_B bye ! 15:55 blou oleonard, jcamins: I will submit my change. It will sadden jstree, but break nothing. Discussions can follow to determine if good or not. 15:53 data-doctor OK, I am going to relent on mashing up the tables...Maybe the preferred method would be to simplify the interface for editing the notifications settings? For example, in the message_attributes I cannot modify whether a notification process takes_days, other than manually editing the table. 15:50 data-doctor That hangs the processing and blocks up the notifications system. 15:49 data-doctor Oops, I don't really need to edit the message_attributes to add sms,..it's more that my sms is tripping up in the sms::send because I have entries containing a forward slash, separating the sms number's area code. 15:46 blou jcamins: which is good news. I presume it's to allow to press Down to open the tree. 15:46 data-doctor :) 15:45 data-doctor I have stopped reading... 15:45 data-doctor Thanks. 15:45 oleonard data-doctor: It's incompatible with the latest version of jquery 15:44 jcamins blou: I don't think I used hotkeys when I did the jstree stuff. 15:44 data-doctor I am reading the jquery hotkeys documentation - looks interesting. Does it break in IE8? 15:44 * blou crying 15:42 blou data-doctor: yeah, and as basic as possible, we got many IE8 users here (sob!) 15:42 data-doctor We tie the keyboard shortcuts to the toplevel menu choices. 15:41 data-doctor Sounds even better - browser independent. 15:41 oleonard data-doctor: We're talking about JavaScript-based keyboard shortcuts which can be built into Koha 15:40 data-doctor blou, we use key:config plug-in for Firefox, great keyboard shortcuts! 15:39 * oleonard is mostly ignorant of authorities-related functionality 15:39 data-doctor But we can't modify message_attributes from the current interface... 15:39 oleonard Interesting, blou, I didn't realize that 15:38 data-doctor Like our crazy need to send SMS messages. 15:38 blou So, it doesn't break if hotkeys not included, but it is sad 15:37 blou if(!this.data.ui) { throw "jsTree hotkeys: jsTree UI plugin not included."; } 15:36 blou in the plugin itself, lines 1490 and on 15:36 blou */ 15:36 blou * Depends on the jstree ui & jquery hotkeys plugins 15:36 blou * Enables keyboard navigation for all tree instances 15:36 blou * jsTree hotkeys plugin 15:35 kivilahtio data-doctor: At what point our needs become crazy enough for the community :) 15:35 kivilahtio data-doctor: I am rather curious where goes the limit for that 15:35 kivilahtio data-doctor: Sometimes needs are different and not compatible with the community 15:34 blou let me give you precise direction, one sec 15:34 oleonard Where? 15:34 blou in the comments and in the code 15:33 blou oleonard: yes. 15:33 jcamins blou: I think so. 15:33 oleonard Wait... jstree looks for hotkeys? 15:33 data-doctor We would rather update our customizations than fork any day. 15:33 blou jcamins: so you think it's ok if jstree (used only in Authorities) doesn't have access to shortcut? 15:32 blou Interesting article for newbies like me. 15:31 blou which are meaningless 15:31 data-doctor I'm pretty sure that the story of the success of Koha is the story of the success of a committed community. Y'all rock! 15:31 blou if not found, it doesn't activate its shortcut. 15:31 blou but jstree looks for it 15:30 jcamins I'm pretty sure we don't use hotkeys with jstree. 15:30 blou Now I wanted to make the change into the community, but I saw that jstree has some form a dependency to it 15:29 blou Which i did. Worked like a charm. 15:29 * jcamins likes shortcut.js, FTR. 15:29 blou jcamins suggested I try shortcut.js. 15:29 jcamins Every time! If I get confused once a month, every month, for many months, it's the website's fault, not mine. 15:29 blou oleonard: Ok, so you said we couldn't move to latest jquery because hotkey plugin broke jquery. 15:29 kf in the wiki? 15:29 kf is there aw ay to lik to the developers handbook? 15:29 kf hm 15:28 jcamins Every time I want to ship more than one package -- and I do it once a month -- I get lost trying to set up the second label. 15:28 oleonard The lies from Liblime in that article make me wonder about the accuracy of the story of KCLS's split with Evergreen. 15:28 wahanui patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 15:28 kf patch workflow? 15:28 jcamins data-doctor: no, their website has always been really confusing. 15:27 data-doctor An effect of the shutdown? A lot of govt. websites are down... 15:27 oleonard Where's the code for "Liblime Academic Koha," Liblime? 15:26 kivilahtio oleonard: wow, can we make a counter articel? 15:26 jcamins You know what I don't understand? How can the United States Postal Service's website be so bad? 15:26 data-doctor My problem is with the message_attributes table. It can only be updated manually, so it causes the notifcation system to hiccup on new transport methods. 15:26 oleonard That is an outright lie 15:26 kivilahtio I won't fail :) 15:26 oleonard '“All of the code we’ve built, we’ve continued to submit…. It’s all out there,†he says.' 15:26 oleonard Liblime thinks that in order for them to succeed, the open source community has to fail. 15:25 oleonard The fact that Liblime feels the need to continue to spread lies about the Koha open source community says a lot about what they feel their position is 15:25 kivilahtio oleonard++ 15:25 oleonard But instead you have to put blame somewhere 15:25 oleonard You know what, Patrick Jones, you could just say "We thought we could do Koha better than the community" and leave it at that 15:24 jcamins [off] Oh, I probably do. Apparently he's at QC. 15:24 jcamins [off] Why do I feel like I know and don't like him? 15:23 kf :( 15:23 oleonard ...and Liblime continues to spread lies about their history with Koha 15:22 oleonard In which Library Journal makes the case that open source doesn't work for libraries because the open source community doesn't let them: http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013/10/managing-libraries/developing-partnerships/ 15:20 blou I'll go read and come back with my questions 15:19 kivilahtio Joubu: the ones I am writing based on your HoldsQueue.t 15:19 blou wahahui is a good friend 15:19 blou Ho, nice! 15:18 wahanui logs is probably http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 15:18 oleonard logs? 15:18 oleonard Yes 15:18 blou jcamins,oleonard: Hello! Need to bring back old discussion (i wished I had an history). I _think_ I had a discussion with you last month regarding shortcuts (keyboard) 15:14 Joubu kivilahtio: What tests are you speaking about? Existing ones or those you are writing? 15:13 data-doctor That would interact with the borrower_message_preferences to determine the transport method and send the notification. 15:12 data-doctor The fields would be something like this: message_attribute_id, message_transport_type, message_name, is_digest, is_html, title, content, letter_module, letter_code, branchcode 15:11 data-doctor I guess that's a big question. I am trying to think it through... 15:11 data-doctor I am mapping notifications, and there appears to be some excess complexity. Could we combine the letter, message_attributes, message_transports and message_transport_types tables into one table? 15:11 kivilahtio jcamins: some tests load some libraries inside the BEGIN, and some libraries outside it 15:10 kivilahtio jcamins: Why do these test even have a begin block? To make sure their dependant library is loaded? 15:10 jcamins I think the trick is to put the AutoCommit bit inside the BEGIN block. 15:09 kivilahtio I'll try without begins 15:09 kivilahtio "The effect of closing a database handle while a transaction is pending is undefined in DBI, so be sure to commit transactions yourself before disconnecting from the database server." 15:09 kivilahtio jcamins: there are begin blocks 15:07 jcamins But note that if you have any BEGIN { } blocks it can behave very strangely. 15:05 Joubu kivilahtio: no. Normally if the autocommit if off, there is no commit without an explicit call to $dbh->commit 15:02 kivilahtio no idea 15:02 kivilahtio kf: Maybe it is because my script crashed a few times while the Transaction was open 14:55 kivilahtio yup, the Borrower is in my db 14:54 kivilahtio well rerunning the script gets me barcode conflicts I didn't have on the first run 14:54 kf or is it just the pk getting increased? because that happens 14:54 kf kivilahtio: and the data is really in oyur database<? 14:54 kf not sure, I added some things to Reserve.t i think 14:53 kivilahtio kf: ok, maybe i have some existing data which collides 14:53 kf yeah it worked for me, adding users, items etc, no leftovers 14:53 kivilahtio this is what everybody seems to be using 14:53 kivilahtio $dbh->{RaiseError} = 1; 14:53 kivilahtio $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0; 14:53 kivilahtio my $dbh = C4::Context->dbh; 14:52 kf i have used addmember in my tests :) 14:52 jcamins kivilahtio: t/db_dependent/Booksellers.t does. 14:52 kf they do 14:52 kivilahtio kf: yes, they seem to be not using C4 libraries 14:52 kf not only autocommit 14:52 kf i think it's 2 lines 14:52 kf kivilahtio: did you take a look at the other test cases? 14:51 kivilahtio I set the $dbh->{AutoCommit} in start of my unit test script. C4 libraries pull a new $dbh, but shouldn't it be the same instance? 14:50 kivilahtio IF I use the C4 libraries, like C4::Members::AddMember() in testcases and have set the $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0; I still get stuff written into my db permanently. 14:47 jcamins oleonard: heh. 14:47 oleonard jcamins: Logical conclusion? They're RDA records, from a library with a lot of "local discretion" 14:47 jcamins And a ton of 906 fields. 14:46 jcamins kf: I'm confused too. The records have UNIMARC 245 fields and MARC21 072 fields. 14:46 kf jcamins: you are confusing us 14:38 jcamins Okay, not quite ordinary. 14:38 jcamins They're ordinary UNIMARC records with the label "exported as MARC21" at the top. 14:37 jcamins Wait, no, my mistake. 14:36 jcamins Just when I thought I had seen it all, I was just sent a sample of authority records exported as MARC21 bibliographic. 14:18 oleonard For all the closed Firefox bugs dealing with printing issues, you'd think Firefox could correctly print a table 13:38 oleonard Hi #koha 13:09 blou thanks 13:09 blou jcamins: AH! Just below the status drop down i had search for "duplicate" in. Well... that's me 13:07 jcamins blou: there's a link "Mark as duplicate" underneath the comment box. 13:05 blou Question about bugzilla: how can we strongly suggest a bug for deletion? I found a duplicate through unrelated search, but no way to (suggest) delete. I figured there would be a "duplicate" status available, but haven't found it 13:03 blou holà #koha 12:44 wahanui well, bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 12:44 kf bug workflow? 12:20 kivilahtio Oak: that's hardcore 11:45 drojf thanks :) 11:45 kf wb drojf 11:31 Oak not 11:31 Oak kivilahtio, we don't have a programming song, most of us here do the buddhist chanting 11:26 kivilahtio Well here's my for today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCag5EgbT4 11:25 kivilahtio Anyone have any good programming songs? 10:11 kf that was a short visit 09:57 drojf hi kf :) 09:55 kf hi drojf :) 09:55 drojf hi #koha 09:42 magnuse s/partu/party/ 09:42 magnuse yeah, sleep all week, partu all weekend 09:42 wahanui i guess sleep is for the week 09:42 magnuse ooh, sleep... 09:33 magnuse sleep tight rangi 09:33 kf good night rangi :) 09:32 rangi but now, sleep 09:32 magnuse cool 09:32 kf :) 09:31 rangi thanks, you can put it back, gives me a good place to look at the hackfest 09:31 magnuse :-) 09:31 rangi not half working 09:31 rangi or all fixed 09:30 rangi nope we want them all broken 09:30 * magnuse starts to doubt rangi's sanity ;-) 09:30 rangi cool 09:30 rangi excellent 09:30 magnuse as well as the news items on the staff mainpage 09:30 wahanui consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 09:30 kf consistency! 09:30 magnuse rangi: now both the library and category dropdowns are broken... 09:29 magnuse on the head.bibkat.no install 09:28 magnuse ok, utf8::encode changed to ::upgrade 09:27 rangi it might not, but im pretty sure that this is where we should be looking 09:27 magnuse uno momento 09:24 rangi i *think* it might fix this perhaps 09:23 rangi can you change all utf8::encode to be utf8::upgrade 09:23 rangi actually in C4/Templates.pm 09:15 rangi utf8::encode($vars->{$k}) if utf8::is_utf8($vars->{$k}); 09:15 rangi and 09:15 rangi utf8::encode($element) if utf8::is_utf8($element); 09:15 rangi i dont trust these lines 09:12 rangi what happens if you comment out lines 120 to 128 09:12 rangi in C4/Templates.pm 09:11 rangi magnuse: do you have a couple of seconds to try something for me? 09:01 kivilahtio wahanui++ 09:01 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:01 rangi interesting 08:59 magnuse when you click on the [+] in the patron search, and get the "advanced search", the library dropdown displays "norwegian vowels" ok, but the "category" dropdown mangles them 08:58 rangi ta 08:57 magnuse [off] also on http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl# - same login 08:57 magnuse [off] rangi: you should be able to see it on http://demo-admin.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl - login with demo/demo 08:54 kivilahtio well I guess it is not that bad. Adding collection code and itemtype checking on top of the TransportCostMatrix might be REALLY hard to code/maintain/use 08:52 kivilahtio luckily you need to configure only once 08:52 kivilahtio what a mess :D 08:52 kivilahtio TransportCostMatrix doesn't care about itemtype or collection code limitations 08:51 kivilahtio I just realized that the TransportCostMatrix is pretty flexible, I could use it instead of the UseBranchTransferLimits-module. Iwonder why there are two similar things 08:48 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 08:48 rangi hmm interesting 08:43 rangi but only on the search results 08:43 rangi but i can get double encoded characters in the patrons name 08:42 rangi in master 08:41 rangi weirdly the pulldown is fine for me 08:38 magnuse it used to be mangled in the dropdown for creating a new patron too, but that is now fixed 08:37 magnuse i can confirm kf's observation about the pulldown in patron search 08:26 kf team meeting bbl 08:23 rangi yep 08:22 kf I think? 08:19 kf we agree :) 08:18 kf and not for pushing 6554 :) 08:18 rangi thats precisely what that patch on 6554 is doing wrong 08:18 kf i mean i am for you and tcohen to sit down and figure out the way to do it right :) 08:18 rangi you just end up busting everywhere its right 08:18 kf misunderstanding :) 08:18 rangi in one place 08:18 rangi if you try and fix a local problem in one script 08:18 rangi well no thats the problem 08:17 kf possibly - i filed a bug and it got a comment that it woudl be fixed by the other change. But I am all for solving it in one place once and for all 08:17 rangi is probably doing the double encode 08:17 rangi in that case, that member.pl 08:17 kf well sometime between 3.6 and 3.12... 08:16 rangi right 08:15 kf there are some more, but that will be fixed when galen pushes the branchcode plugin patch I think 08:14 kf it's the only place where i can find encoding problems currently 08:14 kf and it started with 3.12 I think 08:14 kf fine everywhere else 08:13 kf rangi: yep - go to patrons, click the +- look at the pull down for categories 08:13 rangi but fine at /cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl ? 08:13 kf kivilahtio: yes, but you shouldn't - as I said, it if it works with arabic, more likely the po files are wrong 08:13 rangi kf: and it only shows broken in the search results? 08:13 kivilahtio kf: well we get mangled diacritics in our Koha pages 08:12 kf kivilahtio: more likely a file where poedit messed up encoding, it used to do that with the pref files 08:12 kf kivilahtio: it should't be a problem in localization ereally - it's known to work for german and norwegian and arabic ... 08:12 rangi weird it works fine on mine 08:11 kf rangi: it appears pretty consistently on all our 3.12.x installations 08:11 kf rangi: i can recreate one of the problems - broken diacritics in patron category descriptions in patron search 08:10 kivilahtio oddly the database autogenerated by the koha isntallation process from debian packages sets the database to latin1 by default, but all the tables seem to be in utf8 08:01 rangi worth trying to do anyway 08:01 rangi but yeah tracking it down will be interesting 08:00 rangi thats my suspiciion anyway 08:00 magnuse ooh, that would make a difference, yeah 08:00 rangi i think the underlying problem is some peoples databases arent utf8 08:00 magnuse i was thinking about the underlying problem 08:00 rangi i cut and paste the string that supposedly causes the problem, and it works fine 07:59 rangi magnuse: id like to be able to recreate it first :) ie i cant recreate the problem its supossed to solve 07:59 magnuse whoever does a permanent fix for that will be A Great Hero! 07:58 rangi all the patch did was break lots of other things 07:58 rangi i couldnt recreate the issue on 6554 that the patch was supposed to fix, which was a hint 07:57 rangi actually my kohas running with diacritics and macrons work pretty well, far better than once you try to 'fix' them 07:57 kivilahtio rangi: Not sure about your exact problem but I think we are feeling those issue in our localization work 07:56 rangi yep 07:56 marcelr but having them on one place would be ideal 07:56 rangi yep 07:56 marcelr concentrating them will be quite an effort though 07:56 kivilahtio rangi++ 07:56 rangi because we should only ever be passing utf8 07:56 rangi we should never need to muck around with things like decode and encode 07:55 rangi instead of trying to keep bandaiding the symptoms 07:55 rangi i hope to sit done with tcohen and a few others and track down the route and fix that 07:55 marcelr encoding is a nightmare 07:55 marcelr hi rangi 07:55 rangi those half fixes on 6554 just make things worse 07:54 rangi marcelr++ 07:54 kivilahtio rangi: thanks yous! 07:53 rangi look at the tests in t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t 07:52 kivilahtio I mean they are rather complicate and it would be really helpfull to understand the way holds are queued. 07:52 kivilahtio this is used by the build_holds_queue.pl 07:51 kivilahtio Is there any documentation available for the HoldsQueue.pm algorithms that target the holds? 07:47 samueld hi everybody 07:34 kf the start page in IE looks weird 07:34 kf ew 07:32 kf :) 07:29 Oak oh Walaikum Asalam kf :) 07:26 kf Salaam Oak 07:24 kf i think squashing same authors maybe would be good 07:24 kf yes 07:24 marcelr quite impressive number of patches.. 07:22 kf yeah - the one big problem mankind has to solve :) 07:22 marcelr if i just had more time, ... 07:22 kf I am running out of time here right now :( 07:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 new feature, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add MARC Modifications Templates 07:22 kf marcelr: do you think you might have time to look at bug 8015? 07:20 marcelr :) 07:20 kf hi marcelr 07:20 marcelr hi kf 07:20 marcelr hi #koha 07:20 kf good morning #koha 07:11 gaetan_B good morning #koha 06:57 magnuse nice 06:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:57 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:57 magnuse hm, my thermometer says 5 06:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:57 magnuse @wunder boo 06:44 magnuse bonjour! 06:42 reiveune hello 06:29 cait :) 06:28 * magnuse has grown quite fond of http://getpocket.com/ for reading things on different devices, including offline 06:27 * cait waves back 06:25 * magnuse waves 03:45 mtompset Have a great day, #koha, rangi, eythian, dcook, etc. :) 03:39 rangi that would rule 03:39 rangi yeah 03:38 eythian it's great, I do it all the time. I just wish I could do that on my desktop computers to push a page to work/home or to my phone. 03:37 rangi oh yeah 03:37 eythian That's so damn handy. 03:37 eythian You know on android you can share with firefox, and specify what computer you want the article to show up on? 03:36 eythian Yeah, I use it all the time, but totally forget about it because it's very backgrount. 03:36 rangi id forgotten how cool firefox sync is 03:17 eythian what our admins do when they should be working :) 03:17 eythian for each in {0..255}; do dig -x 202.78.246.${each} +short ; done 03:12 cjh rangi: I have always wondered what the fall out would be for using their veto power, my money is also on republic. 03:10 eythian ah yes, that's important too. 03:10 cjh eythian: and signing documents. 03:10 eythian Their house is not far from where I live. 03:10 eythian Our governor general is used for entertaining visiting dignataries, as far as I can tell. 03:09 mtompset Canada has a Governor General, but they are typically the prime minister's puppet. It would be cool if something like that happened here. :) 03:03 * eythian notes that master has styling issues when adding an itemtype. 03:02 eythian I imagine it's deliberately in reserve just to bring out if the government goes super-crazy. 02:54 rangi probably would be instant republic if they did 02:54 rangi im not suer they ever have 02:54 rangi they can refuse to sign things into law 02:53 rangi yeah 02:53 eythian I think they also officially have veto power on everything, but virtually never use it. 02:50 rangi seems to me to be the only reason to keep them 02:49 rangi ah yeah gov general can do the same thing here 02:47 eythian I'd hope so 02:47 rangi im pretty sure here if the govt cant pass supply and demand it gets disbanded 02:47 rangi :) 02:46 eythian http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/01/australia-had-a-government-shutdown-once-it-ended-with-the-queen-firing-everyone-in-parliament/ <-- how Australia solves silly political things. 02:45 eythian yes, I could see that :) 02:45 rangi confusinating 02:45 rangi which != whangarongo 02:45 rangi eg whakarongo (to listen) = whakaroko 02:45 eythian I can't even type it, all I get is ĸ 02:44 * dcook is fascinated but needs to grab some food 02:44 rangi so you can differentiate it with an actual k 02:44 eythian I don't think I've seen that. 02:44 rangi for k, some people write it with a line under it 02:44 rangi but i think still written the same, just pronounced differently 02:43 rangi in tuhoe, ng is n 02:43 eythian ah right 02:43 rangi ng is k in south island 02:43 rangi yep 02:43 eythian which is which? I assume Aoraki is the south island, given the poly in timaru. 02:41 rangi one is just south island spelling 02:41 rangi cos they are the same thing 02:41 rangi confusing Aoraki and Aorangi is fine 02:40 eythian I guess cos it only comes up in old news articles etc. 02:40 rangi yep 02:40 eythian yeah, but in current general use these days, Mt Taranaki is more common. Egmont feels "old fashioned" to me. 02:40 dcook Mind you, that's English/French. Not indigenous languages... 02:40 dcook Maybe an accent/pronunciation a bit different here and there 02:40 rangi (well on the tv and papers and stuff) 02:39 dcook I do find it easy that Canada uses most of the same names 02:39 rangi it used to be Egmont all the time 02:39 rangi didnt used to be that way tho, its just Taranaki was 'named' well before Aoraki 02:39 dcook hehe 02:39 eythian then you start thinking "what's Aoraki again? Is that Taranaki? No that doesn't even make sense..." 02:38 eythian Of course, keeping them straight in your head is sometimes a mission. Especially when in some case the English name is more common (Mt Cook) and sometimes the MÄori is (Mt Taranaki) 02:37 eythian that's reasonably normal these days. 02:36 dcook Official recognition of more than one name = winning 02:32 eythian http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1310/S00176/names-of-nzs-two-main-islands-formalised.htm <-- finally 02:29 rangi [off] ask me sometime after october 23 how that worked out 02:28 rangi [off] not really a backronym but a trying to create an acronym from a word 02:28 jcamins [off] do what? 02:28 dcook Just hadn't noticed the term 02:28 dcook Oh yeah, I've seen them around 02:28 eythian dcook: there's tons of them around. 02:27 rangi [off] i can think of a company that tried to do that 02:26 dcook I don't know if I'd heard of that before 02:26 dcook Backronym 02:23 eythian It is exactly a rename 02:23 dcook It looks like just a rename 02:23 eythian I was right then, not now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.arpa 02:23 eythian oh wait 02:22 dcook I'm glad that I triggered the learning of something new ;) 02:22 rangi heh 02:22 eythian there goes my decades-old idea 02:22 dcook rangi: Ahh, right 02:22 eythian Address and Routing Parameter Area 02:22 eythian it's not from arpa net 02:22 rangi thats the important thing 02:22 eythian oh hey 02:21 rangi it reverse dnses to the domain its sending mail from 02:21 dcook I didn't know there were any vestiges left 02:21 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-addr.arpa <-- dcook 02:21 dcook I was wondering a bit about the .arpa part 02:21 dcook rangi: Do you mean it doesn't look like spam because the ip reverses to something? 02:21 eythian it's from the days of ARPAnet. 02:21 dcook Mmm 02:21 eythian you don't actually have to worry about it yourself, other things do it for you. 02:20 eythian but it's the way you look up what hostname an IP address turns into 02:20 eythian it's historical 02:20 dcook So what is 217.190.14.72.in-addr.arpa? 02:18 rangi thats so it can send mail without looking like spam 02:18 rangi 217.190.14.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer bugs.koha-community.org. 02:18 rangi host 72.14.190.217 02:17 rangi however the ip reverse dnses to bugs 02:17 rangi yeah 02:17 rangi yep thats bugs 02:17 eythian not the case for bugs.k-c.org 02:17 eythian li105-217.members.linode.com 02:17 eythian $ hostname -f 02:17 rangi theres no need for it to be 02:17 rangi but thats just a happy coincidence 02:16 wahanui hmmm... git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. 02:16 rangi git.koha-community.org 02:16 rangi chrisc@git:~$ hostname -f 02:16 rangi thats the actual hostname of the server too 02:16 rangi in gits case 02:16 dcook You two are the best :) 02:16 dcook rangi++ 02:16 dcook eythian++ 02:16 dcook I think I actually understand now 02:15 rangi in the apache config yep 02:15 eythian yeah, there's a redirect there, so there's most likely two virtualhosts, one redirecting to the other. 02:15 dcook In git.koha-community.org...its servername would be git.koha-community.org? 02:15 rangi in that virtualhost it has a servername of that 02:14 eythian ) 02:14 eythian yep, and another one with www.koha-community.org (or there might be a serveralias 02:14 wahanui virtualhost is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/ 02:14 rangi virtualhost 02:14 dcook On the web server (which has that actual IP address), we then have a servername with koha-community.org 02:14 eythian the long strings are DNSSEC I think, which I'm not going to explain because I mostly don't understand it either. 02:14 dcook So there's a record (A record?) on iwantmyname.net that associates koha-community.org and the actual IP address 02:13 dcook Whoaa 02:12 eythian if you're really keen: dig +trace koha-community.org 02:11 rangi thats where we configure dns for that domain 02:11 rangi Name Server:NS1.IWANTMYNAME.NET 02:11 rangi on koha-community.org 02:11 rangi do a whois 02:11 dcook So where do we configure DNS in this case? 02:11 rangi but they are all virtualhosts in apache 02:10 rangi for some 02:10 rangi both 02:10 dcook And those are separate servernames or DNS entries? 02:10 rangi bugs. paste. downloads. point to the same (other one) 02:10 rangi www.koha-community.org and koha-community.org point to the same 02:09 dcook hehe 02:09 rangi doesnt work :) 02:09 rangi http://fishface.koha-community.org/ 02:09 rangi cos 02:09 rangi and you can tell we dont do wildcard dns 02:09 rangi exactly 02:09 eythian yeah 02:09 dcook and other koha-community sites to other IP addresses? 02:08 eythian but yeah, www has the IP of the webserver, library the IP of the koha server, FTP the IP of the FTP server. 02:08 dcook But somewhere there are records pointing git.koha-community.org to one IP 02:08 rangi yep 02:08 dcook So someone registered koha-community.org 02:08 rangi to the ip you want 02:08 rangi you point the actual subdomain 02:08 rangi but 99.9% 02:08 eythian I think that *.example.com != example.com 02:07 rangi point *.domainname at one ip 02:07 eythian not in this case 02:07 rangi you can do wildcard dns 02:07 dcook Or do you need to qualify each sub-domain/hostname 02:07 eythian so the domainname is example.com, but your library is library.example.com, so they're not identical 02:07 dcook Do you point the domain at your IP address? 02:07 dcook Right, you register the domain name 02:07 eythian except the initial domain name. 02:07 eythian You don't register anything when you set up DNS. 02:06 eythian mixed terminology again :) 02:06 dcook Which is identical to what you register when you're setting up DNS? 02:06 eythian And that's how I do it. 02:06 eythian yeah, it can be. 02:06 eythian yeah, it's important to be pedantic and get them right, or you can't communicate about them to anyway else. 02:06 dcook So your servername is a fully qualified domain name hostname.domainname.told in your apache vhost 02:05 eythian ah right 02:05 dcook Hmm 02:05 dcook The whole terminology thing came out at that point 02:05 * dcook wrote a URL parser once then switched to an open source parser that was far superior 02:05 dcook I should've known better :p 02:05 eythian right, don't mix them up :) 02:04 dcook I meant domain name rather than URL 02:04 dcook My mistake there, eythian 02:04 eythian and http://hostname.domainname.tld/path is an example of a URL 02:04 eythian hostname.domainname.tld is the typical form. 02:03 eythian Oh, I misunderstood again. 02:03 eythian dcook: well, not necessarily. One vhost can have many names. If you point library.example.com to the IP address of your server, you need library.example.com in the ServerName or ServerAlias directives in your vhost. 02:03 rangi ie url is much more than domainname 02:03 rangi dcook: not really, you its should by full domain name, but url is https:// or http:// domainname /perhaps/other/stuff 02:03 mtompset just need corresponding DNS entries or modified hosts files, the former being the proper and desired method. 02:02 mtompset The domain stuff is really part of the apache configuration files, so what you want to call them doesn't really matter. 02:01 mtompset Hopefully he does. 02:01 dcook So you might just have "kohaopac" and "kohastaff" as your hostnames/servernames then you associate that with a larger domain name? 02:00 eythian well he should still be reading all the emails that he gets on the topic. 02:00 dcook Mmm, I think I might follow 02:00 mtompset He sent me another email saying he's only doing this on a VM, so it wasn't anything production-wise. *whew* 01:59 dcook Ok 01:59 dcook But I haven't set up anything to do with DNS (yet) 01:59 eythian URL is a superset of hostname. 01:59 dcook Hmm, I suppose I'm not sure I follow 01:56 eythian Except in some circumstances that I've never had to use. 01:55 eythian oh wait, you don't put a proper URL in ServerName, just the full hostname. 01:49 eythian that's how it's addressed, that's its name. 01:49 eythian Why wouldn't you put a full hostname in? 01:49 eythian And it'll just work. But as soon as you want more than one virtual host, you need to do it right. 01:49 dcook Actually, that's why I was surprised that one would put in a full URL as a servername in a vhost 01:49 eythian Yeah. 01:48 dcook So you have www.mydrupalinstance.com pointing at webserver/drupal 01:48 dcook I suppose that's where DNS could come in as well? 01:48 dcook Seems like it 01:48 eythian As that way is very easy. 01:47 eythian No, I expect most are using the default site. 01:47 dcook Ahh, so most people using Drupal probably have their on vhost set up? 01:47 eythian You just point the browser to webserver/drupal 01:47 dcook Yeah, in that situation 01:47 eythian oh, you mean in that situation? 01:47 eythian This depends on requirements though. 01:46 eythian were I doing it, I'd probably give it its own virtual host. 01:46 dcook How would you access Drupal then? 01:44 dcook Hmm, makes sense 01:44 eythian yeah, so drop in in drupal/ under there. 01:44 rangi yep 01:44 dcook As the default DocumentRoot for the default site is /var/www 01:43 eythian it's a fairly normal way of doing simple things. 01:43 eythian it's just dropped into the default site. 01:43 eythian drupal isn't even configured 01:43 eythian no 01:43 dcook Wouldn't that point to bad drupal config as well then? 01:43 dcook Mmm 01:42 rangi can no longer see drupal 01:42 rangi bam 01:42 rangi he has since disabled that site 01:41 rangi drupal was probably running as a subdirectory of the default site 01:41 dcook Despite it being a bit mind-boggling 01:41 dcook Well, I'm not confused about that part :p 01:40 eythian dcook: there were three emails saying "don't do this", and he did that. 01:40 dcook I must admit that I am a bit confused 01:39 eythian yeah. Oh well. 01:38 mtompset ^now^know^ 01:37 mtompset I went with the here's the opposite command, but I don't now if that will get you back to your previous state, and if not, I can't help you. 01:35 eythian or link him to the three emails that say that *exactly that will happen*. 01:35 mtompset " if someone is trying to install Koha on a machine that servers other web pages, this is not a good idea." --- seriously, doesn't anyone read what I wrote? 01:34 eythian tell him to post to the list, I think. 01:34 eythian oh dear 01:34 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Seriously?! He knew there was drupal and ran it?!" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/243 01:33 eythian so, he disabled it and it all broke because he took the easy but bad way? 01:32 eythian I don't see any posts to the list. I'd quite like a told-you-so moment ;) 01:32 mtompset The OPAC guy where people suggested disabling the default site. 01:32 eythian mtompset: hmm? 01:31 dcook Kohacon will be a good chance for me to peep at other people's hardware.. 01:31 mtompset Good Lord! He did it knowing that he was running drupal on the same server. 01:30 dcook Ah, fair enough 01:30 eythian I don't know. I was still counting them as Android :) 01:29 dcook Is Cyanogen and...what is it...Randroid mostly just for phones? 01:29 eythian There's not really any options on that front. 01:29 eythian Android. 01:28 dcook What OS do you use on your tablet? 01:28 dcook None of the smart phones are impressing me and just haven't gotten around to the tablet yet as I haven't found a good replacement phone 01:28 dcook Not sure about my next set of devices 01:28 * dcook has been pondering buying a tablet 01:27 eythian tablet typically 01:26 dcook What device do you use for reading them? 01:26 dcook Intriguing... 01:23 eythian When I need to know about something, I tend to grab one of them and read it. 01:23 eythian https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=O%27Reilly+Media <-- these are handy, too. 01:23 * dcook might not have said what he thinks he said there 01:22 dcook Yeah, I think Chrome might expand it but I don't know if IE does 01:22 eythian that said, the browser may expand it for you in some cases I think. 01:22 eythian You have to, unless you have the short forms in ServerAlias 01:22 eythian yeah, that page fives you the basics. 01:22 dcook I wasn't sure if a person spelled out the whole URL as the servername or not 01:21 dcook Hmm, this explained a bit of what I was imagining as well: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/examples.html 01:20 eythian http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Ping-Reading-Railroad/dp/0448421658 <-- start here, the comments will give you a bit of an idea about the material covered. 01:20 dcook It was actually a pretty useful read at the time. I put it down in July as that was "wedding month" but I should probably pick it up again 01:20 dcook jcamins: hehe 01:20 eythian dated is OK if it's giving you the fundamentals, they haven't changed in some years. 01:19 dcook The networking one I had was an O'Reilly, but a bit dated 01:19 jcamins dcook: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991018 01:19 eythian I'd recommend grabbing a few O'Rielly books 01:19 dcook (Not that any of it is exposed to the internet as I'm not THAT confident yet) 01:18 dcook And run them both through port 80 01:18 dcook At the moment, at home, I just use Servernames like "devstaff" and "devopac" 01:18 dcook I'm more curious about the details 01:18 dcook Right 01:18 eythian dcook: in this case it's pretty simple: the URL you're typing into the browser doesn't match the URL in the apache config (most likely.) 01:18 dcook Sounds more interesting than the networking book I was reading 01:17 eythian yeah, it has big letters at the start of each chapter. 01:17 dcook Illustrated, eh? 01:17 eythian That's a good book, apparently. 01:17 eythian TCP/IP Illustrated, rather. 01:17 eythian Yeah, I don't have the time to dictate "TCP/IP Networking" to people :) 01:17 dcook As rangi has pointed out before, if you don't know how to run a server, you probably shouldn't be running Koha 01:16 dcook It is a problem but I don't know if it is a problem with the instructions 01:16 mtompset This is the biggest problem with instructions. Limit scope to just Koha instructions, and hoping people understand the pieces being used. 01:16 dcook Admittedly, I only understand your first email theoretically (since I have yet to work with DNS) 01:15 dcook That said, it's not your duty to explain the ins and outs of web server config either 01:15 dcook Hmm, I think both emails presume a certain level of knowledge though 01:14 eythian good :) 01:14 mtompset I did. I just replied pointing that out again. 01:13 eythian The first explaining how to do it properly, the second explaining why the way someone else suggested was the way I'd already said was the wrong way to do it. 01:12 eythian In the Koha OPAC site thread 01:12 dcook I saw the first saying not to I think? 01:12 dcook The two emails 01:12 eythian dcook: saw what? 01:11 dcook But I'm intrigued 01:11 dcook eythian: Can't say that I saw it 01:04 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:04 eythian wahanui: columbus day is <reply>http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day 01:00 rangi nope 00:59 eythian is no one reading my _two_ emails about how disabling the default site is the bad approach? Seriously?