Time  Nick         Message
23:58 tcohen       omfgh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq8FYvRqgs#t=70
23:46 eythian      We'd like to stick with the wheezy versions unless it's totally impossible. Maintain custom modules carries some overhead with it.
23:45 eythian      http://zgp.org/targeted-advertising-considered-harmful/
23:43 mtompset     cpan2deb  DBD::Mock.
23:43 * mtompset   sighs. Okay, working around it.
23:43 jcamins      Because they have bugs.
23:42 mtompset     But wheezy is the latest stable, why would the packages in the default repos for wheezy be considered too old?
23:38 jcamins      Because it's too old.
23:38 mtompset     That's the default for wheezy.
23:38 mtompset     why is DBD::Mock 1.43 considered too old?!
23:35 * mtompset   grumbles about updatedatabase.pl
23:35 tcohen       which you could try :-P
23:35 mtompset     DOH! found it.
23:34 tcohen       i'll put on the wiki the steps I follow to have our own repo
23:34 mtompset     I'm using the easy way instructions from the wiki
23:34 tcohen       oh, you said building, not populating the repo
23:33 tcohen       didn't i send you my instructions?
23:33 mtompset     problem is there's some test failing somewhere, and it isn't obvious where.
23:33 mtompset     building a koha .deb
23:33 tcohen       mtompset: distribution roll?
23:31 dcook        Self-delusion is pretty great ^_^
23:30 * gmcharlt   would like to share the delusion ;)
23:30 dcook        Must still think it's the long weekend
23:29 dcook        My brain hasn't been working too well the past day or so
23:29 dcook        Thanks ;)
23:29 dcook        That makes sense
23:29 dcook        gmcharlt: Ah.
23:29 mtompset     Trying to figure out where it failed, so that I can fix it, and get it out the door.
23:28 gmcharlt     dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_October_2013
23:28 mtompset     Now I'm fighting a distribution roll.
23:28 mtompset     I need to change that again.
23:28 wahanui      mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush.
23:28 dcook        hey mtompset
23:27 mtompset     Greetings, dcook tcohen.
23:27 dcook        Nope, still not seeing it
23:27 dcook        Actually...
23:27 gmcharlt     :)
23:27 gmcharlt     err...
23:27 dcook        Silly me
23:27 dcook        Nevermind...
23:26 dcook        Does anyone know which page Galen modified with an update on 3.14?
23:05 rangi        because it's faster than the old one
23:05 mtompset     +1 to that. I'm not having success trying to package it for myself. :(
23:05 rangi        however, packaging a newer MARC::File::XML is still good
23:05 rangi        so in short nothing needs to be done with the packages
23:04 rangi        but thats your choice and you should be allowed to do it
23:04 rangi        you can override by editing the /etc file
23:04 rangi        because the packages depend on the correct sax parser
23:04 rangi        unless you set them to
23:04 rangi        they wont
23:03 jcamins      I install it from packages, and I have never seen the packages not use the correct SAX parser.
23:03 gmcharlt     and will continue to do so until the patckages catch up
23:03 gmcharlt     jcamins: I don't know and don't particularly care, as I always install MARC::File::XML from CPAN anyway
23:02 rangi        is a better way to spend effort
23:02 mtompset     I can't seem to cpan2deb MARC::File::XML
23:02 rangi        even with tarballs
23:02 rangi        i think focusing on upgrading, which has the side effect of making this whole thing moot
23:02 jcamins      gmcharlt: have you gotten the packages to use the incorrect SAX parser?
23:01 rangi        what he said
23:01 rangi        well upgrading to new marc::file::xml also will make it faster
23:01 gmcharlt     there is still a speed improvement to consider
23:01 eythian      In fact, if someone has changed their config such that they have a different parser, there is almost certainly a reason they wanted to do that.
23:01 jcamins      So why are we still wasting time on this?
23:01 jcamins      I've gotten stacktraces from the desired SAX parser, though.
23:01 mtompset     with packages? I don't think so.
23:01 jcamins      Nor have I.
23:00 rangi        not me jcamins
23:00 jcamins      Has anyone managed to trigger a problem with the other SAX parsers with packages?
23:00 rangi        which makes this moot
23:00 rangi        using the 1.0.1 of MARC::File::XML
23:00 eythian      Detecting it and notifying would be OK.
23:00 rangi        i like gmcharlt's solution better
22:59 rangi        and that
22:59 eythian      also, it's not for us to say who uses their server for what.
22:59 rangi        and that means you dont change system wide settings
22:59 mtompset     Ah.
22:59 rangi        if we ever want to get the packages into debian proper, and we do, we need to do things the debian way
22:58 rangi        its never ok to do that in packages
22:58 rangi        no
22:58 mtompset     The question is how many people run everything on the same server? If only Koha is running on the server, it is okay to do that.
22:57 mtompset     I understand.
22:57 eythian      Making mysterious configuration changes outside our own packages is frowned upon.
22:57 eythian      mtompset: because it might break other things on the server.
22:55 mtompset     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Set_LibXML::SAX_as_the_default_XML_parser
22:55 mtompset     Well, tcohen has added three lines of commands into the ubuntu packages instructions, and i don't see why they would be a problem to execute.
22:41 eythian      *would be OK
22:40 eythian      hmm, possibly. I'm reluctant to change configuration. Detecting it might be OK though.
22:38 mtompset     eythian: I think we may care if it somehow gets set to pureperl's version.
21:10 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:10 eythian      @later tell tcohen do we need to care about the SAX parser? I had the impression that it no longer made any difference.
21:09 cait         hi eythian
21:09 eythian      hi
20:19 rangi        pug: are you thinking of offering a hosting service (cos that would be cool, the more the merrier)
20:05 pug          RIght now Im not .. but clearly I must try the drill out next time i go jab-cross!
20:03 jcamins      pug: depends. Are you at the gym practicing your right-left and left-right jabs on the punching bag shouting "Ko! Ha! Ko! Ha!" If not, not nearly as far as I might've hoped.
20:03 pug          cait: thanks that helps!
20:02 pug          oops.. where did this discussion take us!
19:58 mtompset     jcamins++ # loved the humour. :)
19:57 magnuse      http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/62231593540/someone-calls-it-koha-on-the-list-kohails ;-)
19:57 jcamins      cait: unless its your karate yell.
19:56 rangi        but yeah, its a word not an acronym
19:56 cait         ...
19:56 cait         or KoHa
19:56 wizzyrea     ^
19:56 rangi        the reason its written there as KOHA not Koha is because trademarks are usually uppercased
19:56 bag          :P
19:56 magnuse      just dont't write KOHA :-)
19:56 wizzyrea     lawyers prefer KOHA, clearly.
19:55 jcamins      rangi: oh. You're right. Never mind.
19:55 cait         we have something here
19:54 cait         http://koha-community.org/about/policy/koha-trademark-usage-agreement/
19:54 rangi        they didnt say domain name
19:54 pug          cait: could you possibly help with a link?
19:54 jcamins      rangi: I thought the guidelines were "don't use Koha in your domain name, period"?
19:53 pug          let me lookup
19:53 pug          :)
19:53 cait         :)
19:53 rangi        not if its using actual koha, and is open and clear about that it is hosting koha, and that they didnt make/own koha (no more than anyone else did anyway)
19:53 cait         m website
19:52 cait         they are on the wiki
19:52 cait         pug: take a look at the guidelines
19:52 pug          ?
19:52 pug          is it wrong if a hosting service is named 'nkoha' or something
19:51 pug          I had a question regarding using the word 'koha'
19:50 cait         hi pianohacker
19:49 pianohacker  hooola
19:47 cait         it is
19:46 pug          its unusually silent here!
19:34 wizzyrea     nice one
19:31 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0xliH_jGQ
19:31 rangi        so i give you this
19:31 rangi        its a gorgeously sunny day outside
19:21 cait         morning :)
19:19 kathryn      morning, evening, howdy
19:19 kathryn      morning all :)
18:41 mtompset     jcamins: I have gotten it to use the wrong one (accidentally) when doing a tarball install.
18:40 cait         bye tcohen
18:40 mtompset     bye, tcohen.
18:40 tcohen       bye #koha
18:40 cait         it was a weird day.
18:40 * cait       bought beer today...
18:35 tcohen       or a midnight beer
18:35 tcohen       i volunteer to fix documentation on this once we reach a consensus about the subject during the hackfest
18:35 tcohen       (a user-friendly one, without editing stuff)
18:34 tcohen       and also saw there was a command line method for setting the desried parser on debian
18:34 tcohen       i just saw an inconsistency in our docs
18:34 tcohen       maybe Koha chooses the right one, i know nothing about this
18:33 jcamins      No.
18:33 tcohen       jcamins: did you run misc/sax_parser_test.pl ?
18:33 jcamins      tcohen: on the package installations I have, Koha consistently uses the correct SAX parser without my doing anything.
18:32 mtompset     Yes, I do vaguely recall that.
18:32 gmcharlt     buggy and slow
18:32 mtompset     However, my understanding was that this problem has resolved itself with new versions of the parsers.
18:32 tcohen       yes but... i was told once that pureperl (for instance) was a buggy choice for Koha
18:31 mtompset     Actually, I think the reason was historically, because one of the SAX parsers which became default was buggy, and this was to get around that.
18:30 tcohen       and I don't see why it shouldn't for packages
18:30 tcohen       i belive for tar.gz / git setups it is mandatory
18:30 tcohen       that's not clear to me
18:29 mtompset     Yes, but I was informed that shouldn't matter.
18:29 tcohen       mtompset: if you install koha-common, and then run misc/sax_parser_test.pl you'll notice it fails
18:09 cait         hi mtompset, hi #koha
18:08 mtompset     Greetings, cait. :)
17:54 mtompset     Okay, I see the instruction tweaks.
17:50 mtompset     which sax parser is the right one?
17:47 mtompset     Why is that step now relevant?
17:47 mtompset     tcohen: Changing default sax parser?
17:46 wahanui      i think ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
17:46 mtompset     ubuntu?
16:50 tcohen       (i.e. avoiding an update to revert the changes)
16:50 gmcharlt     K
16:50 tcohen       gmcharlt: i'll post instructions for properly changing ubuntu'ss default sax parser
16:49 gaetan_B     bye !
16:49 wahanui      packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:49 tcohen       packages?
16:49 tcohen       ubuntu packages?
15:54 kivilahtio   but, thanks for Koha everyone. C u later
15:53 kivilahtio   btw. the ability to place holds on multiple biblios for specific items is a challenge to overcome, or modify.
15:48 kivilahtio   ofc would be nice if someone could have the time to do some Sign Offs when the time comes
15:48 kivilahtio   like $item, which turns out to be a items.itemnumber instead of a items-row
15:47 kivilahtio   with mess I mean the naming conventions are not very helpful. I know one is not supposed to change variable names, but sometimes they are frankly misleading
15:47 kivilahtio   but internally the holds-bits seem to be a mess, especially the templates need rework.
15:46 kivilahtio   cool :)
15:45 kivilahtio   tomorrow will dig into modifying the holds targeting functionality build_holds_queue.pl
15:45 kivilahtio   just need to test it more and package it for nice tidy patches
15:45 kivilahtio   wow. I have added support for BranchTransferLimits, regarding Holds to the OPAC and staff client
15:20 gmcharlt     also makes MARCXML parsing faster in general
15:20 tcohen       ok, we need to talk with eythian then
15:20 gmcharlt     correct
15:19 tcohen       backporting that version would mean it doesn't matter which sax parser is set?
15:17 gmcharlt     s/perform/prefer/
15:17 gmcharlt     that would mean backporting that version from jessie to squeeze and wheezy, though
15:17 gmcharlt     tcohen: no objection from me, but I'd almost perform requiring a minimum version of 1.0.1 for MARC::File::XML to side-step the entire problem
15:14 wahanui      hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:14 tcohen       gmcharlt?
15:14 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:14 tcohen       @later tell eythian would you approve using update-perl-sax-parser during install/update to set the right sax parser? we currently don't care
15:10 rambutan     ah
15:09 mtompset     We are in the midst of switching host providers.
15:09 mtompset     It's a different VM now.
15:06 rambutan     so are you running a different vm or are you on bare metal now?
14:57 mtompset     vserver-- # In your face, vserver virtualization technology!
14:57 mtompset     I knew it was vserver! I knew it!
14:57 mtompset     using the SAME data.
14:56 mtompset     The same error generated in our old VM environment.
14:56 mtompset     I successfully ran a full reindex with no "malformed tags" error.
14:54 magnuse      yay!
14:54 mtompset     woo hoo! glorious!
14:49 mtompset     This could be glorious or painful. I'm hoping for the former. So far so good.
14:48 mtompset     We're moving our QA system today.
14:48 * mtompset   anxiously awaits a full reindex.
14:46 tcohen       hi bgkriegel
14:36 bgkriegel    Hi mtompset
14:34 mtompset     Greetings, bgkriegel.
14:29 rambutan     morning druthb
14:28 mtompset     Hey, druthb.
14:27 druthb       Hi, mtompset. :)
14:25 mtompset     Greetings, rambutan. :)
14:25 rambutan     hi mtompset
14:24 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
14:04 reiveune     bye
14:02 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
14:02 gmcharlt     @quote random
13:44 wahanui      magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
13:44 druthb       magnuse!
13:14 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:14 magnuse      druthb!
12:41 tcohen       hi magnuse
12:40 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:40 tcohen       @later tell mtompset 8773 is the addition of an init script to the packages, it could be adjusted to launch 6435 instead of Tamil's, the answer would be "they fit together well"
12:40 magnuse      kia ora tcohen
12:38 tcohen       morning #koha
12:37 magnuse      not a big deal of course...
12:37 magnuse      is it slightly weird that the emails to the koha-commits list have "main Koha release repository branch master updated. v3.12.00-beta1..." in the subject?
12:10 kf           oooh
12:10 * magnuse    just came back from a eat-all-you-want sushi lunch :-)
12:09 * magnuse    missed the meeting :-(
12:05 kf           :)
12:05 Joubu        hi kf :)
12:03 * kf         waves at Joubu
11:31 Joubu        re
11:15 BobB         but I've no idea what it means
11:15 BobB         no, I see it too
11:11 drojf        what's with all the netsplits lately? or is that only me?
10:47 oleonard     not voting to fund == voting to close :P
10:46 * thd        continues to drift into sleep
10:46 kf           bbl
10:46 thd          s/voting to close/not voting to fund/
10:45 kf           bgkriegel++
10:45 kf           we got the first nominee
10:45 kf           oh nice
10:44 BobB         then let the people speak!
10:42 thd          BobB: The president is not on the ballot this time but many of those voting to close the government are.
10:42 kf           heh
10:41 drojf        kf++ # all hail the chair
10:41 kf           :)
10:40 BobB         Koha RM for president!!!
10:40 BobB         very cool
10:40 thd          BobB: Yes of course, and that will be election day in the US.
10:40 tajoli       quit
10:39 jwagner      so any active mischief is up to the Europeans!
10:39 kf           :)
10:39 kf           i am missing lunch!
10:39 JDatTeTakere And too late at night here.
10:39 jwagner      kf, it's too early in the morning here....
10:39 kf           oleonard: go stand in the corner :)
10:38 kf           that was easy - you all were so quiet!
10:38 oleonard     Oh shoot, I was going to propose that we fix RDA before the end of the meeting.
10:38 davidnind    kf++
10:38 BobB         yes thd, I didn't mean formal proxies, just the idea that one should be able to vote without actually attending
10:38 huginn       Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.log.html
10:38 huginn       Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.txt
10:38 huginn       Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.html
10:38 huginn       Meeting ended Wed Oct  9 10:38:27 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:38 kf           #endmeeting
10:38 kf           time to end? :)
10:38 drojf        yes i like the wiki idea
10:37 kf           hm hope that makes sense
10:37 thd          recording something on the wiki seems much less likely to lead to trouble than proxy voting.
10:37 kf           #info votes can be noted on the wiki
10:36 kf           yeah wiki is good - can see it was your login :)
10:36 drojf        cool! :)
10:36 BobB         +1
10:36 rangi        just write it on the wiki
10:36 BobB         we should allow proxies, for sure
10:36 rangi        for the release team?
10:35 drojf        can i delegate my vote?
10:35 kf           any last words before I end the meeting?
10:35 kf           #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on 6th November 2:00 UTC
10:35 kf           ok, but still
10:34 kf           so my apologies :)
10:34 kf           ah
10:34 drojf        kf: yes
10:34 drojf        +1
10:34 thd          +1
10:33 kf           I think that's the evil time for europe?
10:33 rangi        +1
10:33 JDatTeTakere +1
10:33 davidnind    +1
10:33 oleonard     +1
10:33 kf           and +1
10:33 kf           davidnind++
10:32 davidnind    6th November 2:00 UTC would fit current pattern
10:32 kf           so i think another date well before release on 22nd... maybe first week of november?
10:32 kf           #topic Next meeting
10:31 wahanui      yw
10:31 kf           thx wahanui
10:31 wahanui      it has been said that anything is possible with enough development work :)
10:31 kf           anything? please?
10:31 kf           #topic Announcements
10:31 kf           ok, i skipped announcement earlier -
10:30 kf           congrats to argentina! :)
10:29 drojf        so from now on i hand all over to tcohen and bgkriegel :)
10:29 drojf        worked alright, clear result in favour of argentina (like ~300:100). Have not had time to put up the final numbers, sorry
10:28 kf           drojf++
10:28 kf           the only action from last meeting was for drojf to start a survey - which he did :)
10:28 kf           #topic KohaCon14 / Actions from last meeting
10:28 kf           ok, moving on?
10:27 kf           We have started a wiki page for the heackest to gather some ideas - please add to it :)
10:27 kf           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest
10:27 kf           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals
10:26 kf           ah
10:26 kf           apart from that nancy is not here, but I am quite sure everything is ready us :)
10:25 wahanui      oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
10:25 oleonard     Airports won't be affected because Congressmen always have to fly home to raise money
10:25 JDatTeTakere Border control still fully functional
10:24 thd          BobB: The Library of Congress is closed but their backend automated services are still running.
10:24 BobB         i don't think airports are affected yet?
10:24 kf           hm should it affect travelling?
10:24 oleonard     The rest of us have to suffer on while the politicians play around with the government
10:23 kf           BobB: hm?
10:23 BobB         Is America open?
10:23 JDatTeTakere :)
10:22 oleonard     Yay!
10:22 kf           well... it's next week!
10:22 kf           #topic KohaCon13
10:22 kf           that brings us to...
10:21 kf           ok, let's see if the page fills up :)
10:20 kf           rangi++
10:20 rangi        #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16
10:20 rangi        BobB: gotta get nominations first before any one can vote on anything
10:20 kf           I think we could, given there are enough people, but maybe note it somewhere?
10:19 * kf         hands out some strong coffee to everyone
10:19 BobB         we have kohacon/hackfest for some discussion, so we could vote at our next meeting?
10:18 kf           still, shoudl we set some kind of deadline so we make sure that we have a new team before release?
10:18 kf           but having a separate meeting for voting might be good anyway
10:18 kf           so we only have 1 meeting until then i think iwth the normal schedule?
10:18 * oleonard   sincerely hopes there's someone crazy enough to apply to be RM
10:18 kf           hm release is in november
10:17 kf           any questions or comments?
10:17 kf           #action rangi to start a wiki page for roles 3.16
10:17 kf           agreed :)
10:17 rangi        i can start a wiki page
10:17 rangi        probably time to start thinking about this
10:16 kf           #topic Roles/elections for 3.16
10:16 kf           ok to move on?
10:15 kf           I am worried about some aspects of t
10:15 kf           i have some notes about this bug i still have to post :(
10:14 tajoli       OK
10:14 kf           and if you do testing, i think writing down what has been tested would be good
10:13 kf           I think if you wanted to do additional testing and provide an additional sign off that would be appreciated - but final decision has the RM
10:13 rangi        you can't
10:13 tajoli       The status is 'passed QA', so how can I help on insert it into master ?
10:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies
10:12 tajoli       About bug 7688
10:12 kf           yes?
10:12 tajoli       I have a question about 3.14
10:12 kf           moving on ok?
10:11 kf           nothng much happened so far :)
10:11 JDatTeTakere #info JDatTeTakere, NZ
10:11 BobB         #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, sorry I'm late
10:11 kf           any questions or comments?
10:10 wahanui      i already had it that way, kf.
10:10 kf           until the release is out
10:10 kf           I will concentrate on passing bugfixes when i have time
10:10 slef         #info MJ Ray, software.coop (England)
10:10 rangi        :)
10:10 kf           As qam i can add: please test test test... but I am always going to say that :)
10:09 kf           3. RM will be cutting a 3.14 alpha on Monday, 14 October
10:09 kf           2. RM's focus is completing feature merges this week
10:09 kf           1. Feature freeze has passed
10:09 kf           Citing gmcharlt's message from the wiki:
10:09 kf           quiet meeting so far :)
10:09 kf           #topic Update 3.14
10:09 tajoli       Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA
10:08 kf           moving on?
10:08 kf           so it looks on track
10:08 kf           he pushed lots of patches yesterday
10:08 rangi        yep
10:08 kf           probably bad timing for argentina
10:08 rangi        no tcohen eh?
10:07 kf           we have a note from gmcharlt on the wiki
10:07 kf           #topic Update on 3.12
10:07 rangi        i agree
10:06 kf           bgkriegel++ :)
10:06 kf           I disagree about the TM news, as I think the mail pointing out errors in the existing po files was a great idea
10:06 kf           "No news from 3.10. No news from TM. good luck all on KohaCon."
10:06 kf           bgkriegel left me a message as he has no time to attend:
10:05 kf           #topic Update on 3.10
10:05 kf           chrish is not here I think?
10:05 kf           #topic Update on 3.8
10:05 kf           let's make this nice and quick :)
10:04 jwagner      #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
10:04 ColinC       #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe, UK
10:04 kf           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_October_2013
10:04 kf           the agenda for today's meeting is here:
10:04 davidnind    #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
10:03 thd          #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:03 drojf        #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, only lurking
10:03 oleonard     #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:03 rangi        #info chris cormack, catalyst IT
10:03 kf           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:03 kf           please introduce yourself using #info at the beginning of the line
10:03 wahanui      #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:03 kf           #topic Introductions
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10:03 huginn       Meeting started Wed Oct  9 10:03:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:03 kf           #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting
10:02 jwagner      no hurry :-)
10:01 kf           give me a sec and i can start the meeting?
10:01 kf           hi all
08:37 samueld      hi everybody :-)
08:25 kf           yeah... layers layers...layers
08:23 JDatTeTakere Will pack warm clothes for Reno then :-)
08:14 huginn       kf: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 9.5°C (1:00 AM PDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
08:14 kf           @wunder reno, nevada
08:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry
08:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests
08:12 jenkins_koha * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC)
08:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1435: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1435/
07:59 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.8°C (9:55 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:59 kf           @wunder Konstanz
07:58 kf           hm?
07:58 rangi        heh
07:57 magnuse      rangi: you and me both :-)
07:57 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady).
07:57 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:40 kf           bgkriegel++ :)
07:28 JDatTeTakere Fire lit here in Levin rangi
07:27 gaetan_B     salut rangi :)
07:27 rangi        cold night
07:27 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
07:27 rangi        @wunder nzwn
07:27 rangi        hi gaetan_B
07:22 gaetan_B     hello
07:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry
07:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests
07:06 jenkins_koha * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC)
07:06 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #139: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/139/
06:53 * magnuse    could almost guess that :-)
06:52 paul_p       ;-)
06:52 paul_p       magnuse my wife disagree with you !
06:52 magnuse      paul_p: sounds like fun :-)
06:51 reiveune     hello
06:50 paul_p       continuing my international month: after Roma last week, Lausanne today, (then Reno on sunday)
06:50 paul_p       good morning.
06:50 magnuse      kia ora paul_p
06:44 cait         heh
06:42 JDatTeTakere I will come home from KohaCon13 to 3 obese cats.
06:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1435 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping'
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests
06:41 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost"
06:41 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost'
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value
06:41 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script
06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated
06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition
06:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results
06:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps
06:41 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
06:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation
06:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value
06:41 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation
06:41 cjh          I'm sure your cat wouldn't mind eating double for a while, to help you out.
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1434: SUCCESS in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1434/
06:40 JDatTeTakere I think I went a bit overboard with my catfood shopping.  I bought enough for 23 cats.
06:40 magnuse      you do "/me something"
06:40 cjh          /me like this
06:40 JDatTeTakere before you wave?
06:40 JDatTeTakere How do you do the *** bit?
06:38 * cait       waves
06:38 magnuse      in 3 hours 22 minutes
06:37 magnuse      at not-convenient-for-nz o'clock, i think
06:37 magnuse      at not-convenient for nz o'clock, i think
06:37 magnuse      but first there is an irc meeting
06:36 magnuse      all stocked up on cat food?
06:35 magnuse      kia ora JDatTeTakere
06:35 JDatTeTakere Hi Magnuse
06:19 * magnuse    waves
06:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #139 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
06:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping'
06:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
06:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost"
06:17 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost'
06:17 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script
06:17 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #138: FIXED in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/138/
06:17 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
05:31 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d88e15acfb7da8168cdcb24b271f2aba4dcee4fb> / Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ae12b561ea08817cb6753680a8ce2950a39fcc>
05:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #138 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #136 1 hr 40 min ago)
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value
05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated
05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition
05:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results
05:25 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps
05:25 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
05:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value
05:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #137: UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/137/
05:15 cait         hi :)
05:15 eythian      hi cait
05:09 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f3b3403fbfa5323819d58dd0ece4b778ef69273> / Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dc4438bf6d2d6396bc42757be403275afce7f67>
05:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1434 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
05:07 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha. 5 hours till the meeting, right?
05:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
05:05 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module
05:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1433: FIXED in 1 hr 31 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1433/
05:05 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
04:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45b5bef8931470badfacd33eeb31acd634cdeb9f>
04:39 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdbe2545cdc111567f565374ae67e23ccac98838> / Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b5d891bf5cf095359c069960f9eae6e318b4126>
04:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #137 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
04:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
04:36 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module
04:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #136: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/136/
04:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
04:27 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a39fa7b682c18e01823e5a538cf030970d10250> / Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22bbefba640f5a117e14070f3f29f83c939274fc>
04:22 Oak          hello mtompset :)
04:22 mtompset     greetings, Oak.
04:17 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70f322bd86e9d2b070848de8543f9d6582ec4d02> / Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7edaaf407d24fa17bc3429468534a249a9f30900>
04:13 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:13 mtompset     @later tell tcohen What do you think of bug 6435 vs. bug 8773?
04:11 mtompset     Because inevitably, someday it could be my fault. :)
04:10 mtompset     It's one of those helpful annoyances.
04:09 mtompset     Yes, but like I said... can't blame a robot for not knowing.
04:07 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9620d2d249577c460d272d4413119d3f43de33cf> / Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8dbff02830429c511d860782e956e579be4bec4> / Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests <http://git.
04:06 wizzyrea     oh so you're really just upset because it sends you mail
04:02 mtompset     So hopefully this build works.
04:02 mtompset     Well, I just attempted to the same sequence which failed, and it worked this time.
03:48 mtompset     I don't have access to generate the missing file.
03:47 mtompset     Not to mention, it looks like a missing configuration file.
03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #136 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #129 5 days 5 hr ago)
03:45 wizzyrea     Would they?
03:44 mtompset     Well, wouldn't the person who has the broken test have more time?
03:43 wizzyrea     yaya, ain't nobody got time for that.
03:43 wizzyrea     on the other hand, you could do someone a favour and fix the test >.>
03:43 mtompset     Well, NEW patches since the last SUCCESS.
03:42 mtompset     Exactly.
03:42 wizzyrea     it notifies everyone with patches in the build ^.^
03:37 mtompset     I hope master builds. My documentation patch made it in, and I got the mail about the failure. I hate when the failure isn't my fault. Sadly, robots don't know better.
03:37 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=547c6d29499a3e1306a27050b407560a1c4f8fb6>
03:35 JDatTeTakere Hi mtompset
03:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #1433 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #1431 17 days ago)
03:29 mtompset     Is your Koha behind a proxy, or straight on the internet?
03:28 dcook        I'm not the network admin. You'd have to ask my boss :p
03:26 mtompset     What sort of steps do you take to prevent web attacks?
03:25 dcook        Some
03:21 mtompset     Do you run your Koha installation as https, dcook?
03:21 mtompset     Greetings, dcook JDatTeTakere. :)
03:21 mtompset     http://youtu.be/cGYNuoCigGY (I'm Super!)
03:18 dcook        Nopes. Super close!
03:16 JDatTeTakere Hello Koha Comm.  Not long until Reno :-)
01:06 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
00:31 dcook        Hmm, apparently I am registered as dac...interesting