Time Nick Message 00:31 dcook Hmm, apparently I am registered as dac...interesting 01:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 03:16 JDatTeTakere Hello Koha Comm. Not long until Reno :-) 03:18 dcook Nopes. Super close! 03:21 mtompset http://youtu.be/cGYNuoCigGY (I'm Super!) 03:21 mtompset Greetings, dcook JDatTeTakere. :) 03:21 mtompset Do you run your Koha installation as https, dcook? 03:25 dcook Some 03:26 mtompset What sort of steps do you take to prevent web attacks? 03:28 dcook I'm not the network admin. You'd have to ask my boss :p 03:29 mtompset Is your Koha behind a proxy, or straight on the internet? 03:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #1433 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #1431 17 days ago) 03:35 JDatTeTakere Hi mtompset 03:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=547c6d29499a3e1306a27050b407560a1c4f8fb6> 03:37 mtompset I hope master builds. My documentation patch made it in, and I got the mail about the failure. I hate when the failure isn't my fault. Sadly, robots don't know better. 03:42 wizzyrea it notifies everyone with patches in the build ^.^ 03:42 mtompset Exactly. 03:43 mtompset Well, NEW patches since the last SUCCESS. 03:43 wizzyrea on the other hand, you could do someone a favour and fix the test >.> 03:43 wizzyrea yaya, ain't nobody got time for that. 03:44 mtompset Well, wouldn't the person who has the broken test have more time? 03:45 wizzyrea Would they? 03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #136 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #129 5 days 5 hr ago) 03:47 mtompset Not to mention, it looks like a missing configuration file. 03:48 mtompset I don't have access to generate the missing file. 04:02 mtompset Well, I just attempted to the same sequence which failed, and it worked this time. 04:02 mtompset So hopefully this build works. 04:06 wizzyrea oh so you're really just upset because it sends you mail 04:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9620d2d249577c460d272d4413119d3f43de33cf> / Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8dbff02830429c511d860782e956e579be4bec4> / Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests <http://git. 04:09 mtompset Yes, but like I said... can't blame a robot for not knowing. 04:10 mtompset It's one of those helpful annoyances. 04:11 mtompset Because inevitably, someday it could be my fault. :) 04:13 mtompset @later tell tcohen What do you think of bug 6435 vs. bug 8773? 04:13 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 04:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70f322bd86e9d2b070848de8543f9d6582ec4d02> / Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7edaaf407d24fa17bc3429468534a249a9f30900> 04:22 mtompset greetings, Oak. 04:22 Oak hello mtompset :) 04:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a39fa7b682c18e01823e5a538cf030970d10250> / Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22bbefba640f5a117e14070f3f29f83c939274fc> 04:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 04:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #136: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/136/ 04:36 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module 04:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 04:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #137 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 04:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdbe2545cdc111567f565374ae67e23ccac98838> / Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b5d891bf5cf095359c069960f9eae6e318b4126> 04:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45b5bef8931470badfacd33eeb31acd634cdeb9f> 05:05 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 05:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1433: FIXED in 1 hr 31 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1433/ 05:05 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module 05:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 05:07 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 5 hours till the meeting, right? 05:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1434 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 05:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f3b3403fbfa5323819d58dd0ece4b778ef69273> / Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dc4438bf6d2d6396bc42757be403275afce7f67> 05:15 eythian hi cait 05:15 cait hi :) 05:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #137: UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/137/ 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result 05:25 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value 05:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation 05:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests 05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation 05:25 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences 05:25 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result 05:25 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table 05:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results 05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition 05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests 05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results 05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated 05:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #138 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #136 1 hr 40 min ago) 05:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d88e15acfb7da8168cdcb24b271f2aba4dcee4fb> / Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ae12b561ea08817cb6753680a8ce2950a39fcc> 06:17 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 06:17 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #138: FIXED in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/138/ 06:17 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script 06:17 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost' 06:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost" 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch 06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping' 06:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #139 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED) 06:19 * magnuse waves 06:35 JDatTeTakere Hi Magnuse 06:35 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere 06:36 magnuse all stocked up on cat food? 06:37 magnuse but first there is an irc meeting 06:37 magnuse at not-convenient for nz o'clock, i think 06:37 magnuse at not-convenient-for-nz o'clock, i think 06:38 magnuse in 3 hours 22 minutes 06:38 * cait waves 06:40 JDatTeTakere How do you do the *** bit? 06:40 JDatTeTakere before you wave? 06:40 cjh /me like this 06:40 magnuse you do "/me something" 06:40 JDatTeTakere I think I went a bit overboard with my catfood shopping. I bought enough for 23 cats. 06:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1434: SUCCESS in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1434/ 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves 06:41 cjh I'm sure your cat wouldn't mind eating double for a while, to help you out. 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result 06:41 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value 06:41 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation 06:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests 06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm 06:41 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences 06:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm 06:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table 06:41 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results 06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition 06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result 06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim 06:41 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value 06:41 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost' 06:41 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost" 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch 06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping' 06:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1435 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:42 JDatTeTakere I will come home from KohaCon13 to 3 obese cats. 06:44 cait heh 06:50 magnuse kia ora paul_p 06:50 paul_p good morning. 06:50 paul_p continuing my international month: after Roma last week, Lausanne today, (then Reno on sunday) 06:51 reiveune hello 06:52 magnuse paul_p: sounds like fun :-) 06:52 paul_p magnuse my wife disagree with you ! 06:52 paul_p ;-) 06:53 * magnuse could almost guess that :-) 07:06 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #139: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/139/ 07:06 jenkins_koha * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC) 07:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests 07:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:27 rangi hi gaetan_B 07:27 rangi @wunder nzwn 07:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 07:27 rangi cold night 07:27 gaetan_B salut rangi :) 07:28 JDatTeTakere Fire lit here in Levin rangi 07:40 kf bgkriegel++ :) 07:57 magnuse @wunder boo 07:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). 07:57 magnuse rangi: you and me both :-) 07:58 rangi heh 07:58 kf hm? 07:59 kf @wunder Konstanz 07:59 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.8°C (9:55 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1435: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1435/ 08:12 jenkins_koha * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC) 08:12 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests 08:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry 08:14 kf @wunder reno, nevada 08:14 huginn kf: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 9.5°C (1:00 AM PDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Falling). 08:23 JDatTeTakere Will pack warm clothes for Reno then :-) 08:25 kf yeah... layers layers...layers 08:37 samueld hi everybody :-) 10:01 kf hi all 10:01 kf give me a sec and i can start the meeting? 10:02 jwagner no hurry :-) 10:03 kf #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting 10:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 9 10:03:04 2013 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting' 10:03 kf #topic Introductions 10:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:03 kf please introduce yourself using #info at the beginning of the line 10:03 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:03 rangi #info chris cormack, catalyst IT 10:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, only lurking 10:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:04 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 10:04 kf the agenda for today's meeting is here: 10:04 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_October_2013 10:04 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe, UK 10:04 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 10:05 kf let's make this nice and quick :) 10:05 kf #topic Update on 3.8 10:05 kf chrish is not here I think? 10:05 kf #topic Update on 3.10 10:06 kf bgkriegel left me a message as he has no time to attend: 10:06 kf "No news from 3.10. No news from TM. good luck all on KohaCon." 10:06 kf I disagree about the TM news, as I think the mail pointing out errors in the existing po files was a great idea 10:06 kf bgkriegel++ :) 10:07 rangi i agree 10:07 kf #topic Update on 3.12 10:07 kf we have a note from gmcharlt on the wiki 10:08 rangi no tcohen eh? 10:08 kf probably bad timing for argentina 10:08 rangi yep 10:08 kf he pushed lots of patches yesterday 10:08 kf so it looks on track 10:08 kf moving on? 10:09 tajoli Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA 10:09 kf #topic Update 3.14 10:09 kf quiet meeting so far :) 10:09 kf Citing gmcharlt's message from the wiki: 10:09 kf 1. Feature freeze has passed 10:09 kf 2. RM's focus is completing feature merges this week 10:09 kf 3. RM will be cutting a 3.14 alpha on Monday, 14 October 10:10 kf As qam i can add: please test test test... but I am always going to say that :) 10:10 rangi :) 10:10 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop (England) 10:10 kf I will concentrate on passing bugfixes when i have time 10:10 kf until the release is out 10:10 wahanui i already had it that way, kf. 10:11 kf any questions or comments? 10:11 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, sorry I'm late 10:11 JDatTeTakere #info JDatTeTakere, NZ 10:11 kf nothng much happened so far :) 10:12 kf moving on ok? 10:12 tajoli I have a question about 3.14 10:12 kf yes? 10:12 tajoli About bug 7688 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies 10:13 tajoli The status is 'passed QA', so how can I help on insert it into master ? 10:13 rangi you can't 10:13 kf I think if you wanted to do additional testing and provide an additional sign off that would be appreciated - but final decision has the RM 10:14 kf and if you do testing, i think writing down what has been tested would be good 10:14 tajoli OK 10:15 kf i have some notes about this bug i still have to post :( 10:15 kf I am worried about some aspects of t 10:16 kf ok to move on? 10:16 kf #topic Roles/elections for 3.16 10:17 rangi probably time to start thinking about this 10:17 rangi i can start a wiki page 10:17 kf agreed :) 10:17 kf #action rangi to start a wiki page for roles 3.16 10:17 kf any questions or comments? 10:18 kf hm release is in november 10:18 * oleonard sincerely hopes there's someone crazy enough to apply to be RM 10:18 kf so we only have 1 meeting until then i think iwth the normal schedule? 10:18 kf but having a separate meeting for voting might be good anyway 10:18 kf still, shoudl we set some kind of deadline so we make sure that we have a new team before release? 10:19 BobB we have kohacon/hackfest for some discussion, so we could vote at our next meeting? 10:19 * kf hands out some strong coffee to everyone 10:20 kf I think we could, given there are enough people, but maybe note it somewhere? 10:20 rangi BobB: gotta get nominations first before any one can vote on anything 10:20 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16 10:20 kf rangi++ 10:21 kf ok, let's see if the page fills up :) 10:22 kf that brings us to... 10:22 kf #topic KohaCon13 10:22 kf well... it's next week! 10:22 oleonard Yay! 10:23 JDatTeTakere :) 10:23 BobB Is America open? 10:23 kf BobB: hm? 10:24 oleonard The rest of us have to suffer on while the politicians play around with the government 10:24 kf hm should it affect travelling? 10:24 BobB i don't think airports are affected yet? 10:24 thd BobB: The Library of Congress is closed but their backend automated services are still running. 10:25 JDatTeTakere Border control still fully functional 10:25 oleonard Airports won't be affected because Congressmen always have to fly home to raise money 10:25 wahanui oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. 10:26 kf apart from that nancy is not here, but I am quite sure everything is ready us :) 10:26 kf ah 10:27 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals 10:27 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 10:27 kf We have started a wiki page for the heackest to gather some ideas - please add to it :) 10:28 kf ok, moving on? 10:28 kf #topic KohaCon14 / Actions from last meeting 10:28 kf the only action from last meeting was for drojf to start a survey - which he did :) 10:28 kf drojf++ 10:29 drojf worked alright, clear result in favour of argentina (like ~300:100). Have not had time to put up the final numbers, sorry 10:29 drojf so from now on i hand all over to tcohen and bgkriegel :) 10:30 kf congrats to argentina! :) 10:31 kf ok, i skipped announcement earlier - 10:31 kf #topic Announcements 10:31 kf anything? please? 10:31 wahanui it has been said that anything is possible with enough development work :) 10:31 kf thx wahanui 10:31 wahanui yw 10:32 kf #topic Next meeting 10:32 kf so i think another date well before release on 22nd... maybe first week of november? 10:32 davidnind 6th November 2:00 UTC would fit current pattern 10:33 kf davidnind++ 10:33 kf and +1 10:33 oleonard +1 10:33 davidnind +1 10:33 JDatTeTakere +1 10:33 rangi +1 10:33 kf I think that's the evil time for europe? 10:34 thd +1 10:34 drojf +1 10:34 drojf kf: yes 10:34 kf ah 10:34 kf so my apologies :) 10:35 kf ok, but still 10:35 kf #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on 6th November 2:00 UTC 10:35 kf any last words before I end the meeting? 10:35 drojf can i delegate my vote? 10:36 rangi for the release team? 10:36 BobB we should allow proxies, for sure 10:36 rangi just write it on the wiki 10:36 BobB +1 10:36 drojf cool! :) 10:36 kf yeah wiki is good - can see it was your login :) 10:37 kf #info votes can be noted on the wiki 10:37 thd recording something on the wiki seems much less likely to lead to trouble than proxy voting. 10:37 kf hm hope that makes sense 10:38 drojf yes i like the wiki idea 10:38 kf time to end? :) 10:38 kf #endmeeting 10:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 10:38:27 2013 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 10:38 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.html 10:38 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.txt 10:38 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_general_irc_meeting.2013-10-09-10.03.log.html 10:38 BobB yes thd, I didn't mean formal proxies, just the idea that one should be able to vote without actually attending 10:38 davidnind kf++ 10:38 oleonard Oh shoot, I was going to propose that we fix RDA before the end of the meeting. 10:38 kf that was easy - you all were so quiet! 10:39 kf oleonard: go stand in the corner :) 10:39 jwagner kf, it's too early in the morning here.... 10:39 JDatTeTakere And too late at night here. 10:39 kf i am missing lunch! 10:39 kf :) 10:39 jwagner so any active mischief is up to the Europeans! 10:40 tajoli quit 10:40 thd BobB: Yes of course, and that will be election day in the US. 10:40 BobB very cool 10:40 BobB Koha RM for president!!! 10:41 kf :) 10:41 drojf kf++ # all hail the chair 10:42 kf heh 10:42 thd BobB: The president is not on the ballot this time but many of those voting to close the government are. 10:44 BobB then let the people speak! 10:45 kf oh nice 10:45 kf we got the first nominee 10:45 kf bgkriegel++ 10:46 thd s/voting to close/not voting to fund/ 10:46 kf bbl 10:46 * thd continues to drift into sleep 10:47 oleonard not voting to fund == voting to close :P 11:11 drojf what's with all the netsplits lately? or is that only me? 11:15 BobB no, I see it too 11:15 BobB but I've no idea what it means 11:31 Joubu re 12:03 * kf waves at Joubu 12:05 Joubu hi kf :) 12:05 kf :) 12:09 * magnuse missed the meeting :-( 12:10 * magnuse just came back from a eat-all-you-want sushi lunch :-) 12:10 kf oooh 12:37 magnuse is it slightly weird that the emails to the koha-commits list have "main Koha release repository branch master updated. v3.12.00-beta1..." in the subject? 12:37 magnuse not a big deal of course... 12:38 tcohen morning #koha 12:40 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:40 tcohen @later tell mtompset 8773 is the addition of an init script to the packages, it could be adjusted to launch 6435 instead of Tamil's, the answer would be "they fit together well" 12:40 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:41 tcohen hi magnuse 13:14 magnuse druthb! 13:14 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 13:44 druthb magnuse! 13:44 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 14:02 gmcharlt @quote random 14:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013) 14:04 reiveune bye 14:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:25 rambutan hi mtompset 14:25 mtompset Greetings, rambutan. :) 14:27 druthb Hi, mtompset. :) 14:28 mtompset Hey, druthb. 14:29 rambutan morning druthb 14:34 mtompset Greetings, bgkriegel. 14:36 bgkriegel Hi mtompset 14:46 tcohen hi bgkriegel 14:48 * mtompset anxiously awaits a full reindex. 14:48 mtompset We're moving our QA system today. 14:49 mtompset This could be glorious or painful. I'm hoping for the former. So far so good. 14:54 mtompset woo hoo! glorious! 14:54 magnuse yay! 14:56 mtompset I successfully ran a full reindex with no "malformed tags" error. 14:56 mtompset The same error generated in our old VM environment. 14:57 mtompset using the SAME data. 14:57 mtompset I knew it was vserver! I knew it! 14:57 mtompset vserver-- # In your face, vserver virtualization technology! 15:06 rambutan so are you running a different vm or are you on bare metal now? 15:09 mtompset It's a different VM now. 15:09 mtompset We are in the midst of switching host providers. 15:10 rambutan ah 15:14 tcohen @later tell eythian would you approve using update-perl-sax-parser during install/update to set the right sax parser? we currently don't care 15:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:14 tcohen gmcharlt? 15:14 wahanui hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 15:17 gmcharlt tcohen: no objection from me, but I'd almost perform requiring a minimum version of 1.0.1 for MARC::File::XML to side-step the entire problem 15:17 gmcharlt that would mean backporting that version from jessie to squeeze and wheezy, though 15:17 gmcharlt s/perform/prefer/ 15:19 tcohen backporting that version would mean it doesn't matter which sax parser is set? 15:20 gmcharlt correct 15:20 tcohen ok, we need to talk with eythian then 15:20 gmcharlt also makes MARCXML parsing faster in general 15:45 kivilahtio wow. I have added support for BranchTransferLimits, regarding Holds to the OPAC and staff client 15:45 kivilahtio just need to test it more and package it for nice tidy patches 15:45 kivilahtio tomorrow will dig into modifying the holds targeting functionality build_holds_queue.pl 15:46 kivilahtio cool :) 15:47 kivilahtio but internally the holds-bits seem to be a mess, especially the templates need rework. 15:47 kivilahtio with mess I mean the naming conventions are not very helpful. I know one is not supposed to change variable names, but sometimes they are frankly misleading 15:48 kivilahtio like $item, which turns out to be a items.itemnumber instead of a items-row 15:48 kivilahtio ofc would be nice if someone could have the time to do some Sign Offs when the time comes 15:53 kivilahtio btw. the ability to place holds on multiple biblios for specific items is a challenge to overcome, or modify. 15:54 kivilahtio but, thanks for Koha everyone. C u later 16:49 tcohen ubuntu packages? 16:49 tcohen packages? 16:49 wahanui packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 16:49 gaetan_B bye ! 16:50 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll post instructions for properly changing ubuntu'ss default sax parser 16:50 gmcharlt K 16:50 tcohen (i.e. avoiding an update to revert the changes) 17:46 mtompset ubuntu? 17:46 wahanui i think ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions. 17:47 mtompset tcohen: Changing default sax parser? 17:47 mtompset Why is that step now relevant? 17:50 mtompset which sax parser is the right one? 17:54 mtompset Okay, I see the instruction tweaks. 18:08 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 18:09 cait hi mtompset, hi #koha 18:29 tcohen mtompset: if you install koha-common, and then run misc/sax_parser_test.pl you'll notice it fails 18:29 mtompset Yes, but I was informed that shouldn't matter. 18:30 tcohen that's not clear to me 18:30 tcohen i belive for tar.gz / git setups it is mandatory 18:30 tcohen and I don't see why it shouldn't for packages 18:31 mtompset Actually, I think the reason was historically, because one of the SAX parsers which became default was buggy, and this was to get around that. 18:32 tcohen yes but... i was told once that pureperl (for instance) was a buggy choice for Koha 18:32 mtompset However, my understanding was that this problem has resolved itself with new versions of the parsers. 18:32 gmcharlt buggy and slow 18:32 mtompset Yes, I do vaguely recall that. 18:33 jcamins tcohen: on the package installations I have, Koha consistently uses the correct SAX parser without my doing anything. 18:33 tcohen jcamins: did you run misc/sax_parser_test.pl ? 18:33 jcamins No. 18:34 tcohen maybe Koha chooses the right one, i know nothing about this 18:34 tcohen i just saw an inconsistency in our docs 18:34 tcohen and also saw there was a command line method for setting the desried parser on debian 18:35 tcohen (a user-friendly one, without editing stuff) 18:35 tcohen i volunteer to fix documentation on this once we reach a consensus about the subject during the hackfest 18:35 tcohen or a midnight beer 18:40 * cait bought beer today... 18:40 cait it was a weird day. 18:40 tcohen bye #koha 18:40 mtompset bye, tcohen. 18:40 cait bye tcohen 18:41 mtompset jcamins: I have gotten it to use the wrong one (accidentally) when doing a tarball install. 19:19 kathryn morning all :) 19:19 kathryn morning, evening, howdy 19:21 cait morning :) 19:31 rangi its a gorgeously sunny day outside 19:31 rangi so i give you this 19:31 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0xliH_jGQ 19:34 wizzyrea nice one 19:46 pug its unusually silent here! 19:47 cait it is 19:49 pianohacker hooola 19:50 cait hi pianohacker 19:51 pug I had a question regarding using the word 'koha' 19:52 pug is it wrong if a hosting service is named 'nkoha' or something 19:52 pug ? 19:52 cait pug: take a look at the guidelines 19:52 cait they are on the wiki 19:53 cait m website 19:53 rangi not if its using actual koha, and is open and clear about that it is hosting koha, and that they didnt make/own koha (no more than anyone else did anyway) 19:53 cait :) 19:53 pug :) 19:53 pug let me lookup 19:54 jcamins rangi: I thought the guidelines were "don't use Koha in your domain name, period"? 19:54 pug cait: could you possibly help with a link? 19:54 rangi they didnt say domain name 19:54 cait http://koha-community.org/about/policy/koha-trademark-usage-agreement/ 19:55 cait we have something here 19:55 jcamins rangi: oh. You're right. Never mind. 19:56 wizzyrea lawyers prefer KOHA, clearly. 19:56 magnuse just dont't write KOHA :-) 19:56 bag :P 19:56 rangi the reason its written there as KOHA not Koha is because trademarks are usually uppercased 19:56 wizzyrea ^ 19:56 cait or KoHa 19:56 cait ... 19:56 rangi but yeah, its a word not an acronym 19:57 jcamins cait: unless its your karate yell. 19:57 magnuse http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/62231593540/someone-calls-it-koha-on-the-list-kohails ;-) 19:58 mtompset jcamins++ # loved the humour. :) 20:02 pug oops.. where did this discussion take us! 20:03 pug cait: thanks that helps! 20:03 jcamins pug: depends. Are you at the gym practicing your right-left and left-right jabs on the punching bag shouting "Ko! Ha! Ko! Ha!" If not, not nearly as far as I might've hoped. 20:05 pug RIght now Im not .. but clearly I must try the drill out next time i go jab-cross! 20:19 rangi pug: are you thinking of offering a hosting service (cos that would be cool, the more the merrier) 21:09 eythian hi 21:09 cait hi eythian 21:10 eythian @later tell tcohen do we need to care about the SAX parser? I had the impression that it no longer made any difference. 21:10 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:38 mtompset eythian: I think we may care if it somehow gets set to pureperl's version. 22:40 eythian hmm, possibly. I'm reluctant to change configuration. Detecting it might be OK though. 22:41 eythian *would be OK 22:55 mtompset Well, tcohen has added three lines of commands into the ubuntu packages instructions, and i don't see why they would be a problem to execute. 22:55 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Set_LibXML::SAX_as_the_default_XML_parser 22:57 eythian mtompset: because it might break other things on the server. 22:57 eythian Making mysterious configuration changes outside our own packages is frowned upon. 22:57 mtompset I understand. 22:58 mtompset The question is how many people run everything on the same server? If only Koha is running on the server, it is okay to do that. 22:58 rangi no 22:58 rangi its never ok to do that in packages 22:59 rangi if we ever want to get the packages into debian proper, and we do, we need to do things the debian way 22:59 mtompset Ah. 22:59 rangi and that means you dont change system wide settings 22:59 eythian also, it's not for us to say who uses their server for what. 22:59 rangi and that 23:00 rangi i like gmcharlt's solution better 23:00 eythian Detecting it and notifying would be OK. 23:00 rangi using the 1.0.1 of MARC::File::XML 23:00 rangi which makes this moot 23:00 jcamins Has anyone managed to trigger a problem with the other SAX parsers with packages? 23:00 rangi not me jcamins 23:01 jcamins Nor have I. 23:01 mtompset with packages? I don't think so. 23:01 jcamins I've gotten stacktraces from the desired SAX parser, though. 23:01 jcamins So why are we still wasting time on this? 23:01 eythian In fact, if someone has changed their config such that they have a different parser, there is almost certainly a reason they wanted to do that. 23:01 gmcharlt there is still a speed improvement to consider 23:01 rangi well upgrading to new marc::file::xml also will make it faster 23:01 rangi what he said 23:02 jcamins gmcharlt: have you gotten the packages to use the incorrect SAX parser? 23:02 rangi i think focusing on upgrading, which has the side effect of making this whole thing moot 23:02 rangi even with tarballs 23:02 mtompset I can't seem to cpan2deb MARC::File::XML 23:02 rangi is a better way to spend effort 23:03 gmcharlt jcamins: I don't know and don't particularly care, as I always install MARC::File::XML from CPAN anyway 23:03 gmcharlt and will continue to do so until the patckages catch up 23:03 jcamins I install it from packages, and I have never seen the packages not use the correct SAX parser. 23:04 rangi they wont 23:04 rangi unless you set them to 23:04 rangi because the packages depend on the correct sax parser 23:04 rangi you can override by editing the /etc file 23:04 rangi but thats your choice and you should be allowed to do it 23:05 rangi so in short nothing needs to be done with the packages 23:05 rangi however, packaging a newer MARC::File::XML is still good 23:05 mtompset +1 to that. I'm not having success trying to package it for myself. :( 23:05 rangi because it's faster than the old one 23:26 dcook Does anyone know which page Galen modified with an update on 3.14? 23:27 dcook Nevermind... 23:27 dcook Silly me 23:27 gmcharlt err... 23:27 gmcharlt :) 23:27 dcook Actually... 23:27 dcook Nope, still not seeing it 23:27 mtompset Greetings, dcook tcohen. 23:28 dcook hey mtompset 23:28 wahanui mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush. 23:28 mtompset I need to change that again. 23:28 mtompset Now I'm fighting a distribution roll. 23:28 gmcharlt dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_9_October_2013 23:29 mtompset Trying to figure out where it failed, so that I can fix it, and get it out the door. 23:29 dcook gmcharlt: Ah. 23:29 dcook That makes sense 23:29 dcook Thanks ;) 23:29 dcook My brain hasn't been working too well the past day or so 23:30 dcook Must still think it's the long weekend 23:30 * gmcharlt would like to share the delusion ;) 23:31 dcook Self-delusion is pretty great ^_^ 23:33 tcohen mtompset: distribution roll? 23:33 mtompset building a koha .deb 23:33 mtompset problem is there's some test failing somewhere, and it isn't obvious where. 23:33 tcohen didn't i send you my instructions? 23:34 tcohen oh, you said building, not populating the repo 23:34 mtompset I'm using the easy way instructions from the wiki 23:34 tcohen i'll put on the wiki the steps I follow to have our own repo 23:35 mtompset DOH! found it. 23:35 tcohen which you could try :-P 23:35 * mtompset grumbles about updatedatabase.pl 23:38 mtompset why is DBD::Mock 1.43 considered too old?! 23:38 mtompset That's the default for wheezy. 23:38 jcamins Because it's too old. 23:42 mtompset But wheezy is the latest stable, why would the packages in the default repos for wheezy be considered too old? 23:43 jcamins Because they have bugs. 23:43 * mtompset sighs. Okay, working around it. 23:43 mtompset cpan2deb DBD::Mock. 23:45 eythian http://zgp.org/targeted-advertising-considered-harmful/ 23:46 eythian We'd like to stick with the wheezy versions unless it's totally impossible. Maintain custom modules carries some overhead with it. 23:58 tcohen omfgh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq8FYvRqgs#t=70