Time Nick Message
23:47 tcohen because the message is about expiration
23:46 tcohen it must be a problem with a reverse proxy on that institution
23:46 tcohen it worked somewhere else
23:46 tcohen - setup
23:46 tcohen will try another server
23:45 jcamins -ish.
23:45 jcamins Master.
23:45 tcohen are u testing on 3.12?
23:44 tcohen nope
23:44 jcamins Do you have whitespace before the SELECT?
23:43 tcohen when i click "Save" it dies
23:43 jcamins Works for me.
23:43 tcohen some local constrain?
23:42 jcamins Must be something else preventing the query working.
23:42 jcamins Looks permitted to me.
23:38 tcohen (works on mysql)
23:34 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Saving as SQL report yields error on the browser" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/242
23:31 tcohen is 'UNION' forbidden in SQL reports?
23:30 tcohen morning
23:29 dcook mornin'
23:14 tcohen used it
23:13 tcohen jcamins: thanks for the tip anyway
23:12 eythian hola papa
23:12 eythian that's not a bad idea.
23:11 tcohen of course, I guess an accordion might work (hidden by default)
23:11 eythian it'd be an easy enough patch I'd think :)
23:10 tcohen ugly
23:08 jcamins Yeah, with CSS.
23:02 tcohen is it possible to hide the SQL from report results?
22:08 wizzyrea there's a thing I want him specifically to check if he has a minute
22:08 wizzyrea nah that's ok, but thanks for offering :)
22:07 jcamins What do you need? I might shut down a VM or two at some point.
22:07 wizzyrea hm best not to
22:07 jcamins wizzyrea: I have IE8, though my computer would never forgive me for booting XP now, too.
22:05 wizzyrea "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
22:05 wizzyrea like statistics.
22:04 rangi welp rfp still suck
22:01 tcohen [off] does ies4linux still exist?
22:00 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
22:00 wizzyrea @later tell dcook you have an IE8 hanging around eh?
21:59 tcohen need to eat something, my brain is semi-funcitonal right now
21:58 jcamins Ah.
21:58 tcohen http://bit.ly/JK1IP
21:57 jcamins Zebra/Yaz versions for 3.12.05?
21:56 tcohen does anyone like gin-based cocktails? found this coincidence funny: http://snag.gy/TYN06.jpg
21:49 wizzyrea heyaa
21:49 tcohen hi wizzyrea
21:48 tcohen (even set static routes for them)
21:48 * tcohen managed to set two different kind of VPN connections using the UI
21:48 tcohen ok, now i like ubuntu
21:46 * wizzyrea pats wahanui
21:46 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, wizzyrea.
21:46 wizzyrea good night
21:39 cait good night all :)
21:39 cait but anyway
21:39 cait you won't get far with it
21:38 rambutan I'll happily take your sleep allocation
21:37 cait making me not wantto go to sleep ever.
21:37 cait someone stealing my dream energy is...
21:37 gmcharlt tcohen: happy to be of service
21:33 tcohen now i got more stuff to talk about with my shrink
21:33 tcohen gmcharlt++
21:31 cait gmcharlt: heh :)
21:31 cait lol
21:30 rangi ask eythian in a couple of weeks time after he has seen marks presentation on it :)
21:30 tcohen do u know why is it better than other solutions?
21:27 rangi http://ceph.com/ <--awesome
21:26 gmcharlt the folks who are trying to extract dream energy from you two think it's absolutely TERRIBLE! ;)
21:23 tcohen heh, it depends on who you ask
21:22 cait that good or bad? :)
21:21 tcohen i'm, in some way, like you cait
21:20 tcohen i'm at home
21:20 cait wb tcohen - didnt you leave earlier?
21:19 tcohen hi eythian cait
21:15 cait hey eythian
21:15 eythian hi
20:35 wizzyrea lol.
20:34 cait creepy
20:34 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait.
20:34 cait good night
20:33 ubitus thanks and good night
20:33 ubitus ahh well, I made the label wider and now it works
20:32 ubitus hmm, strange this. the CSV output is fine, the PDF is not. Will have to think about this tomorrow I guess
20:32 * jcamins returns to productivity.
20:32 jcamins We already know it's not actually worth my time from painful experience.
20:31 jcamins Wait... why am i still talking about this?
20:31 wizzyrea where that can be done
20:31 wizzyrea that's partially why I was suggesting making prog fallback to bootstrap
20:30 cait but take care it works ok until we really deprecate
20:30 jcamins cait: bugs should be fixed in both.
20:30 cait i am not saying porting new features to it
20:30 cait bugs
20:30 cait if we don#t fix buga
20:30 rangi no
20:30 cait that would mean deprecating it right away
20:30 wizzyrea I guess that's what is referred to as "not our problem"
20:30 rangi so
20:30 cait s
20:30 cait we might break things there when changing feature
20:29 rangi exactly
20:29 jcamins Right, but why would we update prog?
20:29 cait true
20:29 wizzyrea bootstrap, I think, does
20:29 wizzyrea ccsr uses prog as the fallback, it doesn't have a complete set of files
20:29 cait ubitus: it's the same field - only different way of accessing it
20:29 jcamins wizzyrea: that already happens with CCSR, and none of my libraries using CCSR have complained.
20:29 rangi one is the default, one is the fallback
20:29 cait wizzyrea: we have done it for a while now
20:29 ubitus copyrightyear dowsnt work at all, author and 100a seem to be interchangeble
20:28 rangi not our probem
20:28 wizzyrea they will get out of sync.
20:28 wizzyrea running two complete themes concurrently
20:28 rangi how so?
20:27 wizzyrea this sounds a lot like a maintenance nightmare :/
20:27 ubitus itemcallnumber, 100a, 260c
20:26 cait and maybe try using copyrightyear and author instead as a tet
20:26 cait wha tis the syntax you used?
20:26 cait hm yes
20:26 ubitus which is somewhat strange I think
20:26 ubitus in the CSV they come out o.k.
20:26 ubitus I found the fields, 100a and 260c, but they appear as 0 in the PDF file under the call number
20:25 cait and the author in author - but only if the author is in marc21 100
20:25 cait the year the item was published should be in copyrightyear
20:25 cait but it might not work 100%
20:24 cait and try and use opacuserjs and opacusercss on them to achieve that
20:24 cait ubitus: what you could do is use the quick spine labels
20:24 jcamins Whenever prog is removed.
20:24 jcamins 3.16, when prog is removed? Or 3.18, when prog is removed.
20:24 cait ok
20:24 rangi later
20:24 cait do we want to do it together or later:)
20:24 ubitus sorry for another quick question: I'm setting up my spine labels. The itemcallnumber appears fine, but I'd also like the first three letters of the authors name and the year the item was published, how do I achieve that ?
20:23 cait so when are we going to change the fallback then?
20:23 jcamins We're discussing changing the default.
20:23 cait i know
20:23 cait yes
20:23 rangi exactly
20:23 jcamins The default and the fallback are unrelated.
20:23 jcamins cait: but we're not changing it for 3.14.
20:23 cait hm i might be missing somehtin ghere
20:23 rangi still makes no difference
20:23 cait rangi: yeah, but not if we are changing it for 3.14 :)
20:23 jcamins Or 3.18, or whatever.
20:22 rangi whatever custom ones you made
20:22 rangi the fallback is always prog en
20:22 jcamins Then you should read the release notes and address the issue before 3.16.
20:22 rangi thats not our problem
20:22 cait ok, custom themes might be a different story anyway. hm.
20:22 cait eah, but what about updated? you won't know what a custom theme will be based onto
20:21 jcamins So if you're writing a patch, make sure you get the other occurrence.
20:21 jcamins rangi: that line appears twice.
20:20 rangi return ('prog', 'en', \@themes);
20:20 rangi # Otherwise, return prog theme in English 'en'
20:20 rangi in C4::Templates
20:20 rangi its precisely one line
20:19 cait so the real real default with all consequences
20:19 cait ah, i meant fallback
20:18 jcamins Default and fallback are unrelated.
20:18 rangi naw
20:18 cait that could impact updated installations
20:17 cait i was thinking if we need to touch routines to say. bootstap is the new default
20:17 rangi unless we try and have both as default
20:17 rangi but not very much at all
20:17 cait I said a little :P
20:17 rangi well a little
20:17 rangi no
20:16 cait so we have to be a little careful when switching aroudn things
20:16 rangi yes
20:16 cait we can only have 1 default in that regard I guess?
20:16 cait point
20:16 cait I think the fallback to templates is an interesting points
20:15 rangi morning
20:15 cait morning rangi
20:15 rangi since 3.12 will be around for about that long after 3.14 is out
20:15 rangi to get ready
20:15 rangi i think new installs with bootstrap as default makes sense, that gives people about a year
20:14 jcamins That takes it from a minor (though large) change with minimal impact on other parts of the system to a major change with massive impact on everything.
20:13 jcamins wizzyrea: unfortunately, I don't think that'll work.
20:13 wizzyrea turn the current default to look to bootstrap for it's files like ccsr does?
20:12 wizzyrea maintaining 3 will be a pita though
20:11 wizzyrea ^^ what jcamins said
20:11 * magnuse wabders off
20:08 gmcharlt *think there's
20:08 gmcharlt hmm, makes me there there's a slate of things to vote on /at/ KohaCon re new defaults
20:07 cait true :)
20:07 * jcamins doesn't care at all, but wanted to point out that it was possible to make it the default without causing any inconvenience for current users.
20:07 cait we have some libraries with a layout that i am not sure will work with the responsiveness
20:06 cait i know it will take me a while to move things... and learn how to customize
20:06 cait not make a too hard break
20:06 cait default is fine for me, i just think we should maintain it a bit longer
20:05 jcamins I see no problem with making the new one default for new installs, but leaving old installs w/prog.
20:05 cait :)
20:04 magnuse woohoo, i just registered for swib13!
20:03 wahanui it has been said that opac is for patrons
20:03 cait opac?
20:03 cait responsive opac?
20:03 wahanui i heard responsive was looking real nice
20:03 cait responsive?
20:02 cait and maybe not remove prog for a bit
20:02 cait yeah
20:02 magnuse then have the new one as the default in the next version, after announcing it far and wide
20:02 magnuse yeah, leaving prog as default in 3.12 might be a good idea
20:00 oleonard The goal is to have it be the default theme eventually, but I don't know how we get there and not freak out every library that has OPAC customizations
19:59 oleonard I don't know what the plan is.
19:56 * wizzyrea would be totally ok with that
19:55 wizzyrea but the bootstrap/responsive is the new default?
19:55 wizzyrea i.e. leave "prog"
19:55 wizzyrea aha yea - so is the idea that this will replace or sit alongside the existing themes for a time, or beome the new default
19:53 oleonard I'm working on one catch-up item, copying over the changes to the place hold interface from the prog theme
19:53 wizzyrea so I may add my signoff as well.
19:53 wizzyrea excellent! I'm feeling pretty happy with it from my testing too
19:53 oleonard Yes. Happily, it now has a signoff
19:52 wizzyrea just testing testing testing?
19:52 wizzyrea oleonard: what needs to be done for the responsive theme?
19:52 wizzyrea hallo!
19:51 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:51 wizzyrea hm yea it's a bit pants.
19:51 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:30 AM NZDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Rising).
19:51 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
19:48 bag heya cait
19:48 cait hi bag
19:47 bag hey druthb
19:47 druthb hi, bag!
19:47 cait it's already os cold and foggy here
19:47 cait had hoped it would be a bit warmer!
19:47 cait still pondering what to pack
19:47 cait yeah :(
19:45 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 20.4°C (12:45 PM PDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
19:45 bag @wunder 93102
19:45 oleonard Wow, colder in Reno than here. Brrr.
19:45 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 20.4°C (3:39 PM EDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
19:45 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:44 druthb yes!
19:44 cait hmm
19:44 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Sherman-Denison, Texas is 26.0°C (2:35 PM CDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:44 huginn cait: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 15.2°C (12:30 PM PDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
19:44 druthb @wunder PNX
19:44 cait @wunder Reno, Nevada
19:44 druthb yes… and….
19:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Houston Intercontinental, Texas is 27.0°C (1:53 PM CDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
19:43 druthb @wunder IAH
19:43 druthb I wonder...
19:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Preston Shores, Pottsboro, Texas is 26.5°C (2:30 PM CDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:43 druthb @wunder 75076
19:43 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 29.4°C (2:43 PM CDT on October 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:43 druthb @wunder 77098
19:32 ubitus aleonard, thanks for the link, already tried a few an not all of them provide DDC call numbers. I thought asking was a better idea than trying them all one by one ;)
19:31 cait ubitus: me too :)
19:30 oleonard http://irspy.indexdata.com/find.html
19:30 ubitus Germany
19:28 cait ubitus: where are you from? :)
19:28 cait [off] https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:z39.50neu
19:27 cait hi ubitus - maybe try swb
19:24 ubitus Hi everyone. I'm new to koha, having only recently installed the software and it seems to be a great tool. However, I'm struggeling a bit with the cataloging as I can't seem to find a Z39.50 source that provides Dewey Decimal Call Numbers. Anyone got any tips for UK / German Z39.50 Servers?
18:59 tcohen bye #koha
18:51 tcohen heh
18:51 tcohen ok, i'll keep that in mind to avoid heart attack
18:50 gmcharlt tcohen: yes; quite likely, in fact
18:49 tcohen gmcharlt: is it possible that jenkins is using a 3.14.x db for 3.12x?
18:46 tcohen i don't belive you jenkins_koha
18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add Course Reserves
18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10333 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , UT: Labels/t_Batch.t needs to create its own data
18:44 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8215: TT plugins
18:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10333: Labels/t_Batch.t needs to create its own data
18:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #99: UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/99/
18:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #99 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:52 wahanui OK, oleonard.
17:52 oleonard wahanui: arrivals is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals
17:51 cait hm.
17:51 cait arrivals?
17:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Koha 3.8.18 release
17:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Release notes for 3.8.18
17:48 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.8.18
17:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #352: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/352/
17:38 tcohen thanks gmcharlt
17:37 gmcharlt ./db_dependent/Koha_template_plugin_KohaBranchName.t and ./db_dependent/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t
17:37 tcohen kohacon13 arrivals?
17:36 tcohen yeah, i meant plugins
17:36 gmcharlt tcohen: there are a few for TT plugins
17:35 tcohen gmcharlt: are there any TT unit tests?
17:25 * cait waves again :)
17:13 tcohen khall: np, i will
17:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #352 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:11 khall tcohen: you should be able to just copy those plugins out of master to 3.12, and use git add and them commit them
17:10 cait we just updated our oldest customer to 3.12.5 today.... and now you are torturing me with pushing lots of new fixess? :)
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Librarian cannot update hold pickup location without modify_holds_priority
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10917: allow staff to update hold pickup location without modify_holds_priority
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7764 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , INSTALL.ubuntu needs to be updated
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7764: (follow-up) editorial tweaks
17:10 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 7764: rework the INSTALL.ubuntu instructions
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , All Notices from Branch Email Address
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5544: (follow-up) avoid warning if notice is not directed at a patron
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5544: prefer library email address over admin address as notice sender
17:10 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 10856: Fix cover display in shelf browser
17:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10856: (Follow-up) improve behavior of the "close shelf browser" link
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10856 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10856: (follow-up) if callnumbers are equal, order should be on itemnumber
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10856: Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10096: (follow-up) rename button on authorities toolbar
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10096: (follow-up) add LC authority Z39.50 targets to 'en' sample data
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10096: (follow-up) use datatables.inc
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10096: DBRev 3.13.00.024
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
17:10 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10096 - (follow-up) various QA improvements
17:10 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10096 - Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
17:10 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9735: Unit tests for get_template_and_user (cookies handling)
17:10 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9735 - Build the cookie array correctly
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Choose language using URL parameters in any page
17:10 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9735 - Let the language be selected through URL parameters
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10668 - Improve suggestion detail page - QA Followup
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve suggestion detail page
17:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10668 - Improve suggestion detail page
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) add libcrypt-eksblowfish-perl to debian/control
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: DBRev 3.13.00.023
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9611: (follow-up) add reference to Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt in POD
17:10 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9611: (follow-up) fix POD
17:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9611: Database update, changing password from varchar(30) to varchar(60)
17:10 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 9611: use checkpw_hash() instead of md5 hash for SIP2 logins
17:10 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 9611: use hash_password() and checkpw_* for LDAP logins instead of md5 hash
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
17:10 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 9611: (follow-up) remove md5_base64 from imports - not used
17:10 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug 9611: Extract checkpw_internal() and checkpw_hash() from checkpw()
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons
17:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9611: add Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt to list of Perl dependencies
17:10 jenkins_koha * Srikanth Dhondi: Bug 9611: Change the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to Bcrypt
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10927 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Utils becomes useless
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10948 normal, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , Some strings in the authority result list turned out untranslatable
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 search from search results not parsing query correctly
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) functional improvements
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) tidy names of command-line switches
17:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10419: (followup) fix license statement
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10967 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , POD ERROR in acqui/booksellers.pl
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) add branchcode parameter to patron deletion script
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (followup) - tidy up cronjob for deleting patrons
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: new cronjob for deleting patrons
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10965 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Sample itemtypes can't load on new install
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10806: make the staff benchmark script check authentication failure.
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10948: make reference labels translatable in OPAC auth results
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10925 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , LDAP Auth fails if DEBUG is enable
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 5645: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search
17:10 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10967: fix minor POD error
17:10 khall tcohen, yes I definitely misunerstood
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10949: restore ability to successfully print hold slips
17:10 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10965: fix breakage when loading sample itemtypes during install
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10901 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Filters is needed on the add item page
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10925: fix LDAP auth failing if DEBUG is enabled
17:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink'
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable
17:10 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail
17:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form
17:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10730 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on the tag review page
17:09 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on
17:09 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10730: (follow-up) restore background color for cells
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10687 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Delete erroneous tags 68a and 68b on default MARC21 auth framework
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
17:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10730: Use DataTables on the tag review page
17:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10687: DBRev 3.13.00.022
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10803 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , "Make payment" in circ is not easily translatable
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Contact note not updating via opac
17:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10687: (follow-up) remove authority 68a/68b tags from translated MARC21 framework scripts
17:09 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10687: Delete erroneous tags 68a and 68b on default MARC21 auth framework
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10911 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Records with 880 fields have broken details links in intranet search results using XSLT.
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10465 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Reference to fields 780 and 785 in UNIMARC XSLT should be removed
17:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9761: DBRev 3.13.00.021
17:09 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Unit tests for ConfirmFutureHolds changes
17:09 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Preliminary measures for adding a unit test
17:09 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Reformulating the preference description
17:09 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: dbrev for ConfirmFutureHolds
17:09 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10847 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Open external link to website of a vendor in new tab/window
17:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10803: make "Make payment" in circ easier to translate
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10305 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , _increment_barcode is called twice
17:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10924: fix updating contact note from OPAC
17:09 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10911: fix invalid links when displaying records that have 880 fields
17:09 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10465: remove useless reference to fields 780 and 785 in UNIMARC XSLT files
17:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10847: Open link to vendor's website in new window
17:09 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10305 - _increment_barcode is called twice
17:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1432: FAILURE in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1432/
17:09 cait aaah so we misunderstood khall then :)
17:09 tcohen i just want the template plugins
17:09 tcohen i dont' want to backport it (i would have done it if that was the case)
17:08 cait the whole feature is really huge, i think backporting that would be overkill
17:08 cait hm but enough to port the plugins then?
17:07 tcohen oleonard: course reserves introduced some TT plugins that are being actively used on several template bugfixes
16:52 Shane-S I'm back...I tried sudo apt-get upgrade and got dependency errors, did apt-get -f install...errors as well....should I head to #ubuntu or think you all might have a clue if I post the packages?
16:44 cait khall?
16:42 cait i think tcohen just marked something dependent? but haven't seen all bug mails yet
16:41 cait oleonard: agreed
16:34 * cait waves
16:34 cait hm?
16:33 oleonard Isn't Course reserves a new feature, and thus shouldn't be pushed to 3.12.x?
16:33 khall tcohen: I've attached an omnibus patch to the bug report rebased to v3.12.05
16:28 khall tcohen: have you tried applying the patches? Course reserves were pushed right after the 3.12 release
16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add Course Reserves
16:24 tcohen (i mean, bug 8215)
16:24 tcohen (those u introduced in 8125)
16:24 tcohen khall: would u be kind and provide a patch that adds your Template Plugins to 3.12.x?
16:07 reiveune bye
16:00 kf1 bye all :)
15:58 kf1 hm.
15:58 wahanui :)
15:58 kf1 wahanui botsnack marmite?
15:58 Dyrcona heh.
15:58 wahanui OK, kf1.
15:58 kf1 wahanui: marmite is yuck.
15:58 Dyrcona marmite?
15:57 wahanui cinnamon rolls are delicious delicacies
15:57 kf1 cinnamon rolls?
15:52 * jcamins likes cinnamon tea.
15:52 tcohen cinnamon tea
15:52 jcamins Cinnamon peppers are not.
15:52 tcohen oleonard got it right
15:51 jcamins Cinnamon rolls are pretty delicious.
15:51 oleonard http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ ?
15:51 jcamins tcohen: depends what you're putting the cinnamon on.
15:51 kf1 ?
15:51 tcohen is it good?
15:51 tcohen what's the hype about the cinnamon interface?
15:50 * kf1 waves
15:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #1432 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Don't show empty Descriptions/Title notes tabs in OPAC and staff
15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10324 trivial, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Stable , Editorial series do not display correctly in normal view (UNIMARC / no XSLT)
15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10272 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , CheckReserves returns not respecting ReservesControlBranch
15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10672 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Add subtitle to display of checkouts, overdues, and holds on the patron summary
15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Improve DataTables configuration on transfers to receive report
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10742 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , simple search to z39.50 search keeps index
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10793 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , XSLT change 780/785 search queries to use ti,phr indexes like other linking entries
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10349 - Don't show empty Descriptions/Title notes tabs in OPAC and staff
15:49 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10324: fix display of editorial series in normal view (UNIMARC / no XSLT)
15:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10272: (follow-up) add regression test
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10218 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Add individual CSS classes for bibliographic information on OPAC results and detail pages (UNIMARC)
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl
15:49 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10272: make CheckReserves respect ReservesControlBranch
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10672 - Add subtitle to display of checkouts, overdues, and holds on the patron summary
15:49 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10721 - Improve DataTables configuration on transfers to receive report
15:49 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10742: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search
15:49 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10793: XSLT change 780/785 search queries to use ti,phr indexes like other linking entries
15:49 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10218: Add individual CSS classes for bibliographic information in OPAC (UNIMARC)
15:49 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10609: Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl (3.12.x)
15:49 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Increment version for 3.12.5 release
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10915 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , about->timeline broken on upgraded Koha
15:49 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.12.05
15:49 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Update release notes for 3.12.5 release
15:49 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt
15:49 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha
15:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #98: SUCCESS in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/98/
15:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Librarian cannot update hold pickup location without modify_holds_priority
15:36 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10917: allow staff to update hold pickup location without modify_holds_priority
15:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #135: STILL FAILING in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/135/
15:27 jeff The CSS could be extracted from the download here -- the theme itself appears to be unmaintained, and is likely not suitable for use in an actual WordPress site these days. http://wordpress.org/themes/cordobo-green-park-2
15:27 jeff It's likely someone uninstalled a theme that was no longer in use in the WordPress site.
15:25 jeff http://koha-community.org/wp-content/themes/cordobo-green-park-2/style.css is redirecting to http://koha-community.org/ seems to be the biggest issue.
15:22 jeff http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/12432/libraries-information-science has a breakdown of the performance and where the lines were drawn to determine it didn't have enough activity to exit beta.
15:22 jeff based on past experience, the Libraries and Information Science StackExchange site proposal lingered for ~2 years before entering beta, then closed after just over a year in beta. The site and its contents are offline, available only as a data dump.
15:22 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:22 tcohen @later tell wizzyrea do u know what happened to the CSS at http://debian.koha-community.org/ ?
15:17 tcohen bgkriegel: files/includes/header.html
15:16 bgkriegel tcohen: where?
15:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #98 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:58 gmcharlt 20 more followers, 35 more questions upvoted to at least 10
14:55 tcohen how many more votes do we need?
14:50 gmcharlt http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/60300/koha-open-source-library-software <== where to go and vote on questions if you want a Koha StackExchange
14:50 gmcharlt at least a few months, I believe
14:50 oleonard Not sure how long it takes before they disconnect life support
14:47 jcamins Hey, what ever happened with the StackExchange proposal? I guess it died a quiet death?
14:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #135 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #129 4 days 16 hr ago)
14:45 tcohen looks like 3.8 and 3.10 lines hadn't been updated
14:45 tcohen bgkriegel: i've just updated the download page header
14:39 Pablo jcamins: Thanks a lot! BTW, see you at KohaCon14! :)
14:35 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:35 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea Could you please update the answer to "I added some books for testing, now I'm done testing..." on http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ to say "DELETE FROM biblio;" instead of "TRUNCATE biblio;"?
14:34 jcamins Pablo: good.
14:34 huginn Pablo: I suck
14:34 Pablo @jcamins: It seems DELETE FROM biblio; do what I expected, deleting everything in cascade, without breaking anything
14:33 gmcharlt OK, let me see if I can create an account for you
14:32 tcohen i cannot login
14:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10917: allow staff to update hold pickup location without modify_holds_priority <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e276bea3eee02aeaf2c49edc19a095735c5e5359>
14:32 gmcharlt (and in the mean time, I've fired off a build of 3.12.x)
14:31 gmcharlt tcohen: yes -- do you have an account on jenkin's web interface?
14:30 tcohen gmcharlt: is there a way to manually trigger a jenkins run for 3.12.x¿?
14:27 tcohen several missing fk
14:27 kf1 I think we might have tightened the db structures since that was written
14:26 tcohen i didn't know of that faq
14:26 jcamins Try DELETE FROM biblio, and confirm it works for you?
14:26 jcamins Hm, yeah.
14:26 Pablo tcohen: yes, that faq: koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ "I added....?"
14:25 wahanui faq is, like, found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
14:25 tcohen faq?
14:24 Shane-S alright, I will put these item on my weekly agenda, and I will be back when I am at my server location :P
14:24 jcamins Pablo: which FAQ?
14:24 Pablo jcamins: OK, so at least FAQ should be updated
14:23 Pablo tcohen: but I don't want to loose everything, I wish to just remove biblios, not sysprefs, authorised_values, and so on...
14:23 tcohen the latest 3.8 package is version 3.8.16
14:23 jcamins 3.8.3 definitely has security vulnerabilities.
14:23 Shane-S this is my current version # 3.08.03.000
14:23 tcohen but, yes, you should upgrade to 3.12
14:22 jcamins Pablo: TRUNCATE will never work.
14:22 tcohen Shane-S: you can get the latest 3.8 .deb packages here http://download.koha-community.org/
14:22 jcamins Shane-S: incredibly easy.
14:22 Shane-S is the upgrade from 3.8->3.12 w/ packages easy or possibly painful?
14:22 Pablo Even with aqorders empty, truncating gives me the same error but pointing to aqorders_items, even aqorders_items is empty also
14:21 jcamins tcohen: ugh. True.
14:21 tcohen jcamins: but an apt-get upgrade won't pull them
14:21 tcohen Pablo you should have a dump of your testing DB and just DROP / CREATE it
14:21 jcamins kf1: there are recent releases of 3.8 with all the security fixes.
14:21 kf1 Shane-S: not really really old - of course :)
14:20 kf1 Shane-S: it's in terms of Koha - there have been security fixes since i think
14:20 jcamins And it will take a very long time.
14:20 jcamins Pablo: you can't use truncate. You need to use DELETE FROM.
14:20 tcohen c'mon jenkins_koha, process 3.12.x
14:20 Pablo Hi Tomás :) I notice that, but aqorders is already empty
14:20 kf1 Pablo: you'd want to make sure you delete all referenced tables - but you probably will need to deactivate foreign keychecks
14:20 Shane-S kfl: VERY old is using Follet Circ/Cat 2 years ago...3.08 isn't old yet
14:20 kf1 Pablo: removing data from aquisitions like that can get ugly pretty fast
14:20 Pablo ​ There is a tidy way to accomplish this (without nasty things like SET FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS=0;)?
14:19 kf1 and also think about updating the other later
14:19 Shane-S oleonard: yeah...I need to do that too...I did sudo apt-get update....that didn't do it :P so I need to re-read the wiki's been almost a year since I touched it
14:19 kf1 3.8 is very old, maybe i would try start a new library on a new version
14:19 tcohen you need to clean the aqorders table first
14:18 Pablo ERROR 1701 (42000): Cannot truncate a table referenced in a foreign key constraint (`koha_desarrollo`.`aqorders`, CONSTRAINT `aqorders_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`biblionumber`) REFERENCES `koha_desarrollo`.`biblio` (`biblionumber`))
14:18 Shane-S jcamins: since they are not automated at all, might it be easier to have our 9,000 record to utilize over a fresh install?
14:18 Pablo I try to clean my datablase with TRUNCATE biblio (like the FAQ says). Some time ago worked like a charm, but now:
14:18 oleonard And it's a splendid time to upgrade too! :)
14:18 Pablo Hi all!
14:17 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
14:17 jcamins packages?
14:17 Shane-S Any guides or search phrase I can use on the wiki?
14:17 jcamins But just starting at the web installer.
14:17 jcamins Yes.
14:16 Shane-S jcamins / oleonard : New setup and all though I assume as it has a fresh db?
14:16 oleonard What jcamins said. Yes, same server, separate database.
14:15 Shane-S oleonard: I am using packages, so that would still use same server, just utilize a different db backend?
14:15 oleonard Shane-S: For setting up multiple installations packages are particularly useful.
14:15 jcamins Shane-S: if you're using packages you can just run `sudo koha-create --create-db newlib` and have a new installation for them.
14:15 Shane-S However, I don't want to co-mingle anything (I guess record information would be fine....less for them to import themselves)
14:14 Shane-S Since I have a server using VMs I can set one up, but I have out School on 3.08 running great, so tought I could toss them in.
14:13 Shane-S Nope, they aren't even automated, still physical card slips and a real life up to date card catalog...I thought they were just for show these days :P
14:12 oleonard Shane-S: Is there any level of cooperation between the new library and the existing one? Shared catalog?
14:12 oleonard Shane-S: If you want the new library's operations to be *entirely* separate, yes.
14:10 Shane-S quick question, do i need a new install to add a seperate library and provide their own site? If not is there a wiki link anyone can provide?
13:38 tcohen there isn't a good set of default mappings for each MARC flavor?
13:37 tcohen why is a subfield mapping needed?
13:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10672 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add subtitle to display of checkouts, overdues, and holds on the patron summary
13:33 tcohen bug 10672
13:15 busla oops.. :-)
13:15 busla /join #drupal-commerce
13:04 tcohen has anyone experienced no results when searching from the web, but the expected ones using yaz-client?
12:56 oleonard Good morning druthb
12:54 * oleonard hesitates to say "tomorrow" given the audience
12:54 oleonard Oh, hey, IRC meeting soon
12:44 kivilahtio oleonard: I couldn't have imagined something like this in a library system
12:44 kivilahtio oleonard: ahh, this is pretty handy.
12:43 oleonard kivilahtio: You use the checkboxes on the search results page and click the "place hold" link at the top
12:43 kivilahtio oleonard: how do you get to place holds on multiple biblios from the OPAC?
12:42 kivilahtio oleonard: ok
12:41 oleonard kivilahtio: If the DisplayMultiPlaceHold preference is enabled, yes
12:41 kivilahtio morning tcohen!
12:40 tcohen morning #koha
12:39 kivilahtio at once via opac-reserve.pl?
12:39 kivilahtio do you really place multiple holds at once in Koha?
12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
10:24 kf so fallbacks that work without javascript are very welcome
10:24 kf kivilahtio: I think it's always good to try for good accessibility
10:23 magnuse JDatTeTakere: ah, too bad ;-)
10:23 JDatTeTakere My cats aren't fond of travel sorry Magnuse. Plus their passports have lapsed.
10:20 kivilahtio slef: yeah, it's just a bit hard when you need to submit a form to two different places depending on which submit button you press :)
10:19 slef then it's whizzbang for people who can, but still works otherwise
10:19 slef kivilahtio: go a javascript-extends route if you can.
10:13 kivilahtio slef: ok, I'll try to go the no javascript route
10:13 slef kivilahtio: not all of it, at the moment.
10:12 kivilahtio slef: can you use Koha without javascript?
10:11 kivilahtio slef: touche
10:10 slef kivilahtio: the idea of developing for no javascript is from the 2010s, helpful for low power mobile devices and so on.
10:10 kivilahtio I mean is the idea of developing for no javascript from 1990s :)
10:09 kivilahtio about web development good practices. Are you designing Koha to be usable without javascript as well? Or is this totally from the 1990s?
10:04 dengoleek thanks!
10:02 magnuse JDatTeTakere: i kind of thought you were bringing your cats to reno ;-)
10:02 magnuse dengoleek: "The Debian squeeze (6.0) and wheezy (7.0) releases are supported" from: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:01 JDatTeTakere Thanks Magnuse
09:58 dengoleek hello is it possible to install koha on debian wheezy? or do i have to install debian squeeze
09:53 magnuse note to self: copy and paste from, timeanddate.com is not so good
09:53 magnuse oops
09:53 magnuse seconds
09:53 magnuse 25
09:53 magnuse minutes
09:52 magnuse 7
09:52 magnuse hours
09:52 magnuse 0
09:52 magnuse day
09:52 magnuse the next meeting is in 1
09:52 magnuse done that...
09:42 kf been there...
09:42 JDatTeTakere Timezone confusion
09:42 JDatTeTakere Ohhh...tomorrow night. :-) Doh!
09:40 kf meego is ok, but it's pretty dead now that nokia is microsoft
09:40 kf JDatTeTakere: I think the meeting is on wednesday?
09:32 Oak Jolla looks good too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla
09:30 JDatTeTakere Cool...looks great. I'd better go and finish my monthly report. Will be back for the meeting.
09:29 kf MeeGo was a Linux-based free mobile operating system project, which lives on in a fork called Mer.
09:29 kf hopefully
09:29 kf can't explain that right myself, wikipedia does better
09:29 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo
09:28 kf i have a nokia n9
09:27 JDatTeTakere What is a Meego phone?
09:26 JDatTeTakere Cool - I have Twitter too and follow @ranginui. I'm @JDsTwitticles. Just bought an ipad yesterday.
09:21 Oak nice
09:21 Oak ooh
09:21 kf Oak: no :) i have a meego phone
09:21 Oak kf do you have an Android phone?
09:21 kf and i sure will be on IRC :)
09:20 kf I think I will be in contact with rangi over twitter
09:20 kf sorry, don't have an ipad
09:19 kf JDatTeTakere: oh good question
09:17 JDatTeTakere Or chat on IRC when we've both recovered from our flights? Anyone recommend a good IRC iPad app?
09:15 JDatTeTakere How should we make contact in Reno KF? Shall we make a time to meet in reception?
09:04 kf we are glad to hear that :)
09:04 kf heh
08:45 JDatTeTakere I personally don't eat catfood in case you were worried. 100% vegetarian.
08:44 JDatTeTakere Ohhhh...so if I bring my cats to Reno there will be food for them? :-[
08:42 magnuse JDatTeTakere: i don't think you have to bring your own catfood to reno...
08:40 JDatTeTakere I have a day off work tomorrow...turning 43 (gulp). Having lunch with friends then shopping for 2 weeks of cat food.
08:39 JDatTeTakere Shopping?
08:33 kf JDatTeTakere: going to do some last minute shopping tomorrow afternoon
08:33 kf JDatTeTakere: really soon now :)
08:28 kivilahtio kf: Don't go crazy! we need youo!
08:24 JDatTeTakere Hey Katrin...nice to see you.
08:21 kf going crazy here
08:21 kf JDatTeTakere: i kow how you feel
08:21 JDatTeTakere 8-)
08:10 magnuse every silver lining has a cloud? ;-)
08:05 JDatTeTakere I'm overly busy too. It is Tuesday night and I get on a plane to Reno on Sunday so have LOTS to do at work and at home.
08:03 magnuse and yerself?
08:03 magnuse overly busy, though
08:03 magnuse doing good, thanks
08:02 JDatTeTakere Hey Magnuse. How are you?
07:58 magnuse anyone tried https://www.duosecurity.com/docs/duounix ?
07:46 magnuse :-)
07:43 sophie_m gnuse
07:43 sophie_m Hello ma
07:43 magnuse bonjour sophie_m et samueld, kia ora JDatTeTakere
07:19 samueld hi everybody
07:06 kf kia ora magnuse
07:06 magnuse kia ora kf
07:03 magnuse evening rangi
06:57 rangi evening all
06:57 rangi heh
06:57 rangi /ws 24
06:54 Joubu hi #koha
06:52 magnuse bonjour paul_p
06:49 magnuse bonjour!
06:43 reiveune hello
06:38 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:04 cait boonies?
06:04 * dcook rushes off to a bus to the boonies
06:03 dcook Morning drojf
06:03 dcook Oh yes, morning cait
06:01 dcook It might still be there...just lower down
06:01 cait :)
06:01 dcook Found it though
06:00 dcook cait: Yeah, I memorized that one. I was looking for z39.50 stuff
06:00 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
05:57 cait morning dcook and hi drojf
05:57 wahanui rumour has it loc.gov/marc is the official documentation
05:57 cait loc.gov/marc?
05:57 drojf good morning #koha
05:57 cait oh did it?
05:55 dcook I wish that Google wouldn't have dropped the Library of Congress site...
05:24 eythian true
05:24 cait so it should be ok i think
05:24 cait it's a bug fix
05:23 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:23 eythian @later tell gmcharlt bug 11013 will need to slip past freeze when it's QA'ed, I think.
05:22 cait let's hope
05:22 eythian oh well. Maybe someone will beat you to it.
05:22 cait not this morning
05:22 cait not sure when I will have time
05:21 eythian but it does mean that packages can't be built until that patch is in.
05:21 eythian well, it only breaks test cases, it doesn't actually break functionality.
05:21 cait why is it only normal?
05:21 cait it's not nice, but that makes me feel a little better
05:20 eythian (also, it's usually me who finds them :)
05:20 eythian many, many people have broken things this way. It's vaugely annoying.
05:20 * cait just woke up
05:19 cait similar to how i broke it :)
05:19 eythian Yeah, I know. It's not really a packaging one.
05:19 cait hmm
05:19 cait it's a bti bigger than your normal packaging patches
05:18 cait ah
05:18 eythian so it was like a random draw
05:18 eythian you just logged in right after I finished it.
05:18 huginn 04Bug 11013: normal, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Tests broken by new crypto stuff
05:18 eythian <huginn> Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11013 normal, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Tests broken by new crypto stuff
05:18 cait ?
05:18 cait bug11013=
05:17 cait hm?
05:15 eythian cait: bug 11013 is looking for you ;)
05:15 eythian ah, cait wants to, perfect timing!
05:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11013 normal, P3, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Tests broken by new crypto stuff
05:14 eythian awesome, with the patch on bug 11013, tests pass again. Now who wants to sign it off for me? :)
04:42 mtompset That's why my personal banker is on my mailing list. :)
04:27 * dcook has never had a credit card frozen but imagines it must suck
04:27 dcook Random reminder to people that they should let their banks know that they're going overseas...
04:21 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:21 Oak hello mtompset
04:21 Oak oh well
04:20 Oak me waves
04:09 mtompset eythian++
04:08 mtompset That was an impressive one-liner!
03:49 dcook hehe
03:49 * eythian names and shames
03:48 dcook Mmm, I thought I noticed some copyright missing from a few..
03:29 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Files with no copyright" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/241
03:28 eythian (by-and-large, anyway.)
03:28 eythian they also lack documentation.
03:27 eythian A small bit, but also they'll just do the same thing again.
03:26 wizzyrea bad form for someone else to add it eh?
03:26 eythian scraping that together and nagging them on-list might be a good thing to do :)
03:26 wizzyrea TRUE
03:26 eythian git knows.
03:25 * wizzyrea might know some folks who could add it, if we knew who to credit.
03:25 wizzyrea indeed
03:24 eythian It's strange that so much of the stuff in the Koha namespace is lacking copyright headers. That seems like a step backwards.
03:17 eythian turns out it is C4::Auth, indirectly.
03:17 eythian the thing that's breaking the test cases if you run them without a database.
03:14 mtompset Ha ha ha... You were mumbling about C4::Auth, and I was wondering about your mumbling. I have an idea about C4::Auth. :P
03:05 eythian http://lmgtfy.com/?q=C4::Auth%20koha
03:03 mtompset What's C4::Auth?
02:58 eythian or maybe it isn't...
02:56 eythian It's C4::Auth
02:56 * dcook hurries off to a late lunch in any case
02:55 eythian I'm about to find out
02:54 eythian *quite
02:54 eythian dcook: it's quiet possibly a dependency
02:52 * dcook wonders if he's broken something
02:52 rangi nope
02:52 rangi hmm that must be new/changed
02:50 eythian rangi: C4::Breeding needs a database to load, are you aware of a patch for that floating around, or should I make one?
02:47 mtompset wizzyrea: development or perhaps testing... but yes, I agree it is silly to think of otherwise. :)
02:46 wizzyrea but not for anything other than that.
02:46 wizzyrea and yes, I do in fact "run" a koha on a desktop machine. For testing and fixing.
02:46 wizzyrea mtompset: that would be silly to do for anything other than development.
02:45 wizzyrea chromium on ubuntu uses the standard print dialog.
02:44 wizzyrea http://i.imgur.com/V4XkaTal.jpg
02:44 * mtompset thinks of India and its love of LiveDVDs.
02:44 wizzyrea it actually seems more unreasonable to me to expect users to work effectively with a nonstandard print menu
02:43 mtompset Because someone might be running a desktop version of ubuntu with koha installed.
02:43 mtompset dcook: Don't diss the unreasonable users. ;)
02:43 wizzyrea why would you run firefox on a koha server.
02:42 mtompset firefox on ubuntu? I hope this is a desktop machine other than the koha server. :P
02:42 wizzyrea 24
02:42 dcook In any case, brb ;)
02:42 dcook Which Firefox do you use on Ubuntu
02:42 dcook O_o
02:41 wizzyrea (on ubuntu)
02:41 dcook Oh?
02:41 wizzyrea firefox
02:41 dcook or IE
02:41 wizzyrea I had clicked on firefox by mistake - there is definitely one in fireox
02:41 dcook I don't see it in Chrome or Firefox
02:41 wizzyrea hm actually you're right there isn't one, I stand corrected
02:40 dcook I haven't noticed one in ages
02:40 dcook Is there?
02:40 wizzyrea as there is still a "print preview" option in the menu
02:40 wizzyrea it has always seemed superfluous to me
02:39 dcook I wonder if there are times in Koha where a person would want to use the nonstandard print preview
02:39 dcook They might not lose anything, but disabling it just for Koha...
02:39 wizzyrea kek
02:38 dcook Users aren't always reasonable
02:38 dcook Ah, but you're speaking reason, wizzyrea
02:38 wizzyrea what does the user actually lose by disabling chrome's nonstandard print preview?
02:38 wizzyrea mmm no
02:38 dcook We could use browser detection although that's not very optimal either
02:38 dcook True
02:37 dcook I think most people expect an app (like Koha) to be compatible with everything
02:37 wizzyrea firefox
02:37 wizzyrea you don't want to break it or make it slow for firefo
02:37 * dcook was thinking the average joe
02:37 dcook Let's say yes
02:37 dcook It could be
02:37 wizzyrea but that's your user right?
02:37 dcook Librarians love printing things
02:37 dcook Well, that's a librarian
02:37 wizzyrea receipts :P
02:36 dcook I wonder what a regular user prints these days
02:36 wizzyrea but for a user...
02:36 * dcook is fairly used to it now
02:36 wizzyrea i.e. works differently to every other app
02:36 wizzyrea to me, it seems it could be *more* confusing because it's unexpected.
02:36 dcook True, but Google has a bit more pull than Koha, me thinks
02:35 wizzyrea well, the chrome preview, imo, is nonstandard app behaviour
02:35 dcook Sure enough, that flag works
02:34 dcook (Which is a bit disturbing to me as well)
02:34 dcook One for Koha and one for normal stuff
02:34 dcook But that might mean that they set up separate shortcuts
02:34 dcook I know I quite like it most of the time
02:34 dcook One, using the system dialogue box wouldn't be desirable all the time
02:33 dcook As for the shortcut...I could see a few different responses
02:33 dcook That is...mind boggling
02:32 wizzyrea adding a couple of arguments on the end of the shortcut seems not extreme compared to that.
02:32 wizzyrea dunno, I know of libraries who roll an entire portable firefox, just so they can have seamless receipt printing :P
02:32 dcook If you hit shift + ctrl + p fast enough, you can get the system dialogue box
02:32 dcook lol
02:31 dcook But I dont' think that's really a feasible solution to the problem
02:31 dcook It might be
02:30 wizzyrea and see if it's better/
02:30 wizzyrea but yea, launch chrome with --args --disable-print-preview
02:28 wizzyrea as with most internet articles of that nature, the comments are more instructive than the article.
02:28 dcook hehe
02:27 wizzyrea that is the best word mashup ever.
02:27 wizzyrea momentaneous.
02:27 wahanui rumour has it maybe is a momentaneous error
02:27 wizzyrea maybe?
02:27 dcook So just Chrome, eh?
02:27 dcook I was thinking of trying that out
02:27 wahanui Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:27 dcook Interesting
02:27 wizzyrea but it's ubuntu so who knows
02:27 wizzyrea chromium, incidentally, doesn't *seem* to have the preview thingie
02:26 wizzyrea oh lifehacker, I can never be mad at you.
02:26 wizzyrea http://lifehacker.com/5835838/how-to-use-your-systems-default-print-dialog-instead-of-chromes-crashy-print-preview
02:25 wizzyrea hm yea that's pretty silly
02:22 dcook But I don't think there's any way of prompting it from the start
02:21 dcook I think you can by doing...ctrl shift p or something
02:21 wizzyrea "use system print dialog" or somesuch
02:21 wizzyrea can you turn that off? I thought there was an option...
02:21 dcook window.print seems to open that fancy Google print webpage rather than the system dialogue
02:20 dcook Pretty much
02:19 wizzyrea the problem is that it closes too fast?
02:18 dcook Where'd you find those?
02:17 wizzyrea chrome
02:17 dcook bugzilla bug reports or Chrome bug reports?
02:17 wizzyrea yea, wtf
02:17 dcook Which is...a bit ugh
02:16 wizzyrea there are bug reports about window.close and chrome
02:16 dcook It looks like a lot of people are hacking around it using timers
02:16 * dcook thinks master is no better
02:16 dcook Hmm weirdness
02:14 dcook Wth..
02:13 dcook Perhaps you're right..
02:13 eythian I haven't updated master packages in a while, too. Might do that now.
02:13 dcook Hmm...
02:12 wizzyrea you reminded me that I haven't updated my master in aaaaages
02:11 dcook I'm pretty amped about it actually :)
02:11 dcook Very very much yes
02:11 wizzyrea better passwords!
02:11 dcook Overall, yes
02:11 dcook hehe
02:11 wizzyrea I think you mean "Yay! Bcrypt dependency!"
02:11 * dcook will have to wait to check the absolute master
02:11 dcook Bleargh bcrypt dependency
02:08 wizzyrea mm 47 is pretty close
02:07 * dcook rebases and tries again
02:07 dcook 47 commits behind master
02:07 wizzyrea I think that's fixed in later versions - this is 3.8?
01:57 dcook default*
01:57 dcook Because Chrome doesn't use the system print dialogue by defualt..
01:55 dcook Mmm, window.close executes too soon...
01:39 * dcook thinks he has had this problem before...
01:39 dcook The new tab opens and it loads for a moment before kaput
01:37 dcook I can't get slips to print in Chrome
01:37 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:37 dcook Interesting...