Time Nick Message 00:13 jcamins eythian: wish I were in Australia. 00:14 jcamins They have reasonable copyright laws, so those books are public domain. 00:14 eythian do they not sell to the US? 00:14 wizzyrea US has stupid copyright laws 00:14 jcamins eythian: they probably do, but that doesn't make my country any less stupid. :( 00:15 wizzyrea so books that are public domain in many other places aren't in the US 00:15 eythian the best money can buy 00:15 wizzyrea so. stupid. 01:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:30 mtompset blou: Are you still here?! Or did you just leave your IRC client running since Friday. 04:18 * Oak waves 05:37 eythian http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/09/oed-researcher/ 05:47 mtompset Greetings, eythian. 05:47 mtompset I'm having a problem with self-checkout log in. 05:48 mtompset Any ideas what I have to configure to get it to work? 06:20 * magnuse waves 06:26 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 06:26 magnuse hiya mtompset 06:26 * mtompset cheers, "THERE! I got self-checkout to work." 06:29 magnuse yay! 06:29 mtompset Now to contemplate bug 10799 06:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10799 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Able to become self-checkout staff user in OPAC 06:32 mtompset What fun things are you working on, magnuse? 06:32 magnuse fixing leftovers from a migration 06:32 magnuse the old system "forgot" to include barcodes in the exported data 06:32 magnuse or they exported the equvalent of itemnumbers in place of the barcodes 06:33 mtompset Yuck. 06:33 mtompset Well, at least there should be a way to map them behind the scenes to fix it. 06:33 magnuse got a file now with itemnumbers and barcodes, so i just have to turn that into "update items set barcode = x where barcode = y" 06:33 * mtompset nods. 06:33 magnuse yeah, it's almost too easy... 06:33 magnuse (famous last words...) 06:34 mtompset Your pain will come for the indexing. :P 06:36 mtompset oh, and make sure your string matching is exact... those substring matching multiple items would be a BAD thing. 06:37 magnuse yeah, but i think it will be ok :-) 06:38 magnuse i just need to swap the columns in the file i got.. 06:38 cait unimarc? 06:38 wahanui well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 06:39 * cait tries to catalog multilanguage authorities in unimarc before work... 06:39 * cait must be crazy 06:39 mtompset If anyone can do it, you can, cait. :) 06:40 cait hm doesn't seem so 06:40 mtompset Ah... I didn't know that RUSMARC was UNIMARC. I thought it was a MARC21 variant. 06:41 reiveune hello 06:42 mtompset Bonjour, reiveune. :) 06:42 reiveune hi :) 06:44 mtompset reiveune: I see you here often. Perhaps you should be on the list of regulars? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 06:45 reiveune I would have to do it, yes. 06:47 cait ok, it worked :) 06:47 cait bbl 06:49 Oak cait++ 07:00 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 07:00 mtompset Shoot. 3am... I should sleep. 07:01 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 07:03 Oak @later tell mtompset http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24292-first-physical-evidence-of-why-youre-an-owl-or-a-lark.html 07:03 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 07:16 samueld hi everybody :-) 07:28 * magnuse grumbles about weird file formats 07:29 * kf grumbles about mondays and time moving too fast 07:29 kf morning magnuse :) 07:29 magnuse kia ora kf 08:12 gaetan_B hello 09:21 drojf good morning #koha 09:23 drojf if less people had voted twice or even more, i would have a preliminary result of the kohacon 2014 vote now :/ 09:24 magnuse ouch! 09:24 kf :( 09:25 kf good morning drojf 09:25 kf we missed you :) 09:26 kf and drojf++ 09:26 magnuse yeah drojf++ 09:26 magnuse are there multiple occurences of the same email addresses? 09:26 kf patch workflow? 09:26 wahanui patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 09:27 drojf hi kf and magnuse 09:28 drojf magnuse: yes. and obviously same people using a gmail and another address. or a name+something@gmail address on top of the regular one 09:29 drojf more than i would have expected 09:36 magnuse sounds like un-fun 09:36 magnuse and did they vote for the same thing with both/all addresses? 09:39 drojf yes, i guess that was the point of doing that. :P we will see, i check tonight 09:43 magnuse yay! 09:46 drojf let's hope it is the same on both sides and blame server errors. :) 09:49 magnuse yeah 09:49 kf drojf++ :) 09:49 kf for being thorough 09:49 * kf thinks we volunteered the right person for the job ;) 10:16 magnuse ooh, massive code duplication between marc21_field_006.tt and marc21_field_008.tt 10:16 magnuse and now i want to add a version for normarc... 10:16 magnuse most of those files could go in an include 10:17 magnuse what's the proper way to do that for marc21, i wonder 10:17 magnuse use an include for normarc, then if/when that gets pushed, do a followup for marc21, using the same include? 10:17 magnuse yeah, i think that has to be it 10:23 drojf spoiler alert: i had another look at the votes. there are not as many duplicates as i thought at first, some things look a little fishy on both sides and the vote is very clearly in favour of argentina for kohacon 2014. 10:23 kf WOHOOOOO! 10:23 kf :) 10:29 magnuse yay for clear results! 10:29 kf that too :) 10:33 magnuse and yay for bug 10010 10:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10010 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor 10:50 kf @later tell tcohen congratulations! 10:50 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:54 drojf the mailing lists don't like CC 10:54 drojf ^^ 11:04 bgkriegel Good news for us!! :) 11:05 drojf yes, congratulations := 11:05 drojf :) 11:24 magnuse bgkriegel++ tcohen++ 11:34 kivilahtio Hi #Koha! I think I found a bug, but I am not sure. I was writing test cases and stumbled upon this behaviour. Item has no itemtype or collection code, but the biblio has them defined in the bibliotems-table. When I use the C4::Biblio::GetBiblioFromItemNumber( $item->{itemnumber} ) I actually get the contents of the items-table, instead of the biblioitems-table. So even if the biblioitems-table has the collection code and itemtype defined, 11:34 kivilahtio they wont be included in the Get"Biblio"-SELECT. This is very cofusing, since I thought I am pulling a biblioitem from the DB instead of a item. 11:41 kivilahtio I just realized that the biblioitem has no collection code, just itemtype 11:54 kf kivilahtio: I think you don't understand how it works 11:54 kf biblioitems are not items 11:54 kf biblio + bilbioitems = bibliographic information, items = items 11:55 kf it's because koha used to have a frbr like database structure that there are biblioitems 11:55 kf and the itemtype there won't be used if you have item level itypes 11:55 kf which i woudl recommend 11:57 kivilahtio kf: ok 11:58 kf it is an option that you can use a bilbio level itemtyp - item-level_itypes I think 12:02 kivilahtio kf: I think I am misunderstanding the sql :) or some strange behaviour in my IDE 12:08 kf not sure about that routine 12:23 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 kf hi oleonard :) 12:27 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:35 tcohen morning 12:35 kf good morning :) 12:35 kivilahtio g'day 12:36 tcohen bug 10609 12:36 kf tcohen: congratulations :) 12:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl 12:36 tcohen oh 12:36 tcohen #koha: thanks for trusting us :-D 12:37 kf :) 12:37 kf I am very happy with the results :) 12:38 tcohen too!! 12:39 * kf throws confetti 13:31 oleonard kf: Koha seems to handle manual entry of dates pretty well now, aside from the 12:00AM time if you don't include one 13:32 oleonard It didn't like a 1900 date ("1900-01-01"), which was translated to 3800-01-01, but it correctly rejected two-digit years 13:33 kf oleonard: that sounds good 13:33 kf what do you think? could we remove the read-only on that grounds? with a bit more testing? 13:33 kf or should it be kept and needs to be a syspref... or third option? 13:34 oleonard I think we could remove it after doing some more testing 13:36 kf sounds good to me 13:36 kf :) 13:36 kf i will try to do some with different date formats 13:38 kf oleonard++ thx for your input :) 13:44 kivilahtio wow, extending these UseBranchTransferLimits to holds is a big thing :) 13:44 kivilahtio just looking through the build_holds_queue.pl and it is pretty interesting 13:47 oleonard Extending X to holds is a big thing for any value of X. 13:51 kf kivilahtio: don't forget... small testable steps. 13:51 kf especially difficult to do with holds, but needed 14:06 kivilahtio kf: How should I format my patches then? I have one as a central access point to check if Branchtransfer is ok + unit tests. Then I need to modify all use cases of reservation to support BranchTransferLimits. This includes API's and OPAC and staff client. Then I need to modify the build_holds_queue.pl . I understood that you should have only one patch, but I think that might be a bit impossible :) How should I link my bugs together? Can I 14:06 kivilahtio make one patch and have other patches depend on that? like bug_10993 -> bug_10995 -> bug_10996 ? 14:07 kivilahtio maybe using the depends-field in bugzilla? 14:09 kf yes 14:09 kf you can have bugs that depend on each other 14:36 luca_ hi, i have this problem: i want to use the field 084 in marc record (because i want to use an other classification number) 14:36 luca_ but if the book hasn't the field, i can see just the 82 field (dewej classification) 14:37 luca_ How can i solve this 14:37 luca_ ? 14:39 luca_ i don't know how to do... 14:39 kf luca_: you probably need to adjust your bibliographic frameworks to have the field not hidden as a first step 14:42 luca_ ok, i'm going to try 14:42 luca_ ... 14:43 luca_ no, doesn't work.... 14:44 luca_ we set 84 mandatory:yes 14:44 luca_ but it still doesn't show 14:46 kf check the hidden value 14:46 kf and the tab 14:46 kf in the advancedoptions 14:46 kf and not only the field, but also take a look at the subfields 14:49 luca_ "advanced options" where is? 14:57 luca_ advanced option in wich menu? 14:59 luca_ where i can set the hidden filds? 14:59 luca_ i want to see the 84 field... 15:00 kf you can make it visible in cataloguing 15:00 kf to make it visible in the detail pages more work is needed 15:04 luca_ yes, i want to see it in the MARC record, when for instance I click "new record" 15:04 kf please take a look at the manual about modifying your bibliographic frameworks - I think you need to take a look at the tab field and the hidden values should be empty 15:05 luca_ if I get a marc record (from z39.50) in which it is already visible then, ok, I have it 15:06 luca_ I already tried modifying bib-famework, but didn't find the "visible" field 15:07 jcamins luca_: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/catadmin.html#editsubfields 15:20 luca_ OK, thank you!!! 15:21 luca_ We had not seen the "Advanced constaints" TAB 15:21 luca_ Thank you very much! 16:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:26 reiveune bye 16:41 mtompset Anyone familiar with forcing koha to do SSL? 16:50 mtompset Greetings, druthb cait. :) 16:51 * cait waves 16:51 druthb Hi, mtompset. :) 16:53 mtompset Have either of you ever forced Koha to do SSL? 16:53 druthb it's not hard at all, once you have a certificate installed. 16:54 druthb (tjat 16:54 druthb (that's the tetchy part) 16:55 druthb There's nothing about Koha per se that is SSL or non-SSL, mtompset. You just serve the OPAC or staff client over SSL ports, or not, that's all. 16:55 mtompset sudo openssl req -newkey rsa:2048 -new -x509 -days 3652 -nodes -out kohassl.crt -keyout kohassl.pem 16:55 mtompset right? 16:56 druthb That's the first part. you need to make a certificate signing request, and go get your SSL key from whomever, and install it, after that. 16:57 mtompset Can't I run with this in my test system if I accept the evilness? 16:57 cait mtompset: we run all our installation under https - opac and staff 16:58 druthb you can do a self-signed cert for your test install, but it will annoy people to do it in production. 16:58 druthb http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apache+ssl+debian 16:58 cait yeah, lots of evil looking warning messages without a proper cert 16:59 druthb The first five hits are all good stuff...some do dummy-certs, some do commercial certs. 17:10 * mtompset grumbles about apache. 17:10 mtompset Can't get it to work. 17:17 tcohen #koha, question: i have librarians that say Koha doesn't show some map-specific data on XSLT detail pages 17:18 cait that is possible i think 17:18 tcohen this kind of request should be trated as a general bug or is it something to fix indoors? 17:18 cait hmi woud like to see it added 17:18 jcamins General bug. 17:18 wahanui general bug is probably here, but didn't get much attention : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7525 17:18 huginn 04Bug 7525: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values 17:18 cait :) 17:18 tcohen thanks cait, jcamins 17:18 cait a lot of libraries can't do this kind of enh - and then deleting is easier then adding :) 17:19 cait i mean i'd like the default to be quite complete :) 17:19 tcohen ok, that'd be a good general rule 17:23 tcohen hmm, besides the UTF stuff, we could make columns.def translatable 17:23 tcohen (during hackfest) 17:24 cait that would be nice :) 17:24 cait i have some list too :) 17:24 tcohen adding to the wiki pagfe 17:24 tcohen there's a revolution at UNC because of KohaCon14 17:24 cait oh? :) 17:24 tcohen librarians are creating a KohaCon task force 17:24 tcohen heh 17:24 cait :) 17:25 cait and sending a spy to kohacon13? ;) 17:25 tcohen exactly 17:25 tcohen hidden behind his IT profile 17:26 cait :) 17:26 cait i am glad the librarians are so excited about it :) 17:33 druthb oh! congratulations, tcohen, on Cordoba's selection for next year! :) 17:36 cait isn#t it great? :) 17:39 druthb is! 17:39 tcohen :D 17:42 mtompset Woo hoo! I kicked it into SSL. 17:42 mtompset Got the default SSL working. 17:42 mtompset Then modified the working koha instance file and ports.conf accordingly. 17:44 mtompset Now the question is... is that the best way to handle koha? 17:45 jcamins As opposed to? 17:47 druthb Any time *any* personal information is being passed around the 'net, SSL is better than not-SSL...I think that's a pretty blanket-able statement. 17:48 mtompset putting up a proxy in front of it. 17:49 mtompset and having the proxy map HTTPS to HTTP behind the scenes. 17:49 tcohen there's a desing problem with HTTPS 17:49 jcamins Given that you're using Apache + CGI no matter what, and otherwise have no reason to use a proxy, I can't really think of a reason to add that much complexity. 17:50 tcohen the SSL conection is set 'before' the GET is sent 17:50 mtompset how is that a design problem, tcohen? 17:50 tcohen and browsers complain about the SSL certificate CN not matching the URL 17:51 tcohen its a design problem in name-based virtual hosts 17:51 jcamins tcohen: that's why you should have one IP per hsot. 17:51 jcamins *host 17:51 tcohen if you host only one URL in the server... 17:52 jcamins Per virtual host. 17:52 jcamins You can have as many IPs as you want on a single server. 17:52 tcohen agreed, that's IP based virtual hosts 17:52 jcamins At least, you're unlikely to run out. I'm not sure if there's an actual limit. 17:52 mtompset oh, so like library and library-admin for some domain.org not matching the certificate for domain.org? 17:53 jcamins mtompset: for that you'd probably just buy a wildcard certificate. 17:56 jcamins mtompset: you might want to consider reading a good introduction to HTTP. I'm sure O'Reilly has one. 18:03 mtompset A signoff and HTTPS... I guess it hasn't been too unproductive today. :) 18:08 tcohen bye #koha 18:08 tcohen thanks all of u for your support 18:24 drojf good evening #koha 18:24 cait hi drojf 18:24 drojf hi cait :) 18:41 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 18:43 rangi drojf: its not the cc, the mailing lists dont like too many recipients, it looks like spam to them and it gets held for me to moderate 18:43 cait morning rangi 18:44 mtompset Greetings, rangi. :) 18:44 mtompset Is that TO or CC or a combination of recipients? 18:44 rangi combination 18:44 mtompset I had that happen once to me. 18:45 drojf rangi: yes i found an email telling me that. i sent another one only to the main list. the dev list automatically threw away two of the ccs i think 18:46 rangi there will probably be a few to the main list now, cos ive just let them ones being held through 18:51 oleonard Sometimes you have to send a few follow-ups to push the first one through the pipe 18:53 cait wise :) 19:01 rangi http://lanyrd.com/2013/kduk13/scpqfr/ 19:02 cait hm, is the conf program somewhere? 19:02 rangi https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1310&L=LIS-OSS&F=&S=&P=52 19:03 rangi http://lanyrd.com/2013/kduk13/ therer 19:07 rangi *cough* open source *cough* 19:07 cait i know 19:08 rangi ah well 19:08 rangi karma 19:08 oleonard I don't get it 19:09 rangi why they call it open source? 19:09 cait on the website they call it community source 19:09 cait i think 19:10 oleonard I'm not familiar with Kuali 19:10 cait but others don't 19:10 cait oleonard: it's a group funded Ils 19:10 cait programmed by one single company 19:10 jcamins And invite people to apply to work on the system at some point in the future. 19:10 rangi with a few million dollars in funding 19:10 cait from specifications the libraries agree too 19:10 cait yes, lots of funding from mellon foundation 19:11 jcamins [off] Ooh ooh! Biblionarrator is programmed by a single company! And it's open source! Where are my millions? 19:11 cait [off] lol? 19:11 rangi the code may be open one day, but its not now, and its certainly not openly developed 19:13 rangi [off] but yeah all your code is on github, licensed under a free software license, and i could grab it all now, you're doing it wrong it should have to pay to play!! 19:13 rangi right school time 19:13 rangi bbiab 19:13 jcamins [off] Ohhhh. Now I understand! 19:45 oleonard Oh look, IRC regulars, your information is out of date: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars Maybe. Some of you. 19:45 cait :) 19:45 * cait it totally up to date 20:05 magnuse @later tell rangi: did you have any more contact with the catmandu people, about attending kohacon? 20:05 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 20:05 rangi magnuse: none at all 20:05 rangi back btw 20:05 magnuse ah, too bad... 20:05 magnuse maybe next year? :-) 20:08 bag rangi you fly tomorrow right? magnuse in two days :) just kidding - but it's fun to screw up international timezones and dates :P 20:08 * magnuse is not flying anywhere... 20:08 bag oh no kohacon for you? 20:09 bag sorry man I thought you'd be coming… but I'll see you in France again? 20:09 * cait waves at bag 20:10 magnuse bag: definitely no reno for me. hopefully marseille in the not too distant future! and kohacon in norway in 2018, perhaps? :-) 20:11 cait magnuse: let's fight over it :P 20:11 magnuse cait: you want to host kohacon in 2018 too? 20:11 oleonard Yes, by offering escalating levels of free sweets to attendees! 20:11 cait hehe 20:12 cait magnuse: sometime i want to... not sure when and how 20:12 magnuse cait: 2016 perhaps? 20:12 bag is the voting over for next year? 20:12 magnuse yup 20:12 magnuse argentina won 20:12 bag checks mail 20:13 bag and sees the vote :) 20:13 bag heh 20:13 cait magnuse: we will see :) 20:13 cait argentina! 20:13 wahanui i think argentina is in for kohacon13 20:13 cait wahanui kohacon14 is in Argentina! 20:13 wahanui ...but kohacon14 is submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October... 20:13 cait forget kohacon14 20:13 wahanui cait: I forgot kohacon14 20:13 cait kohacon14 is in Argentina! 20:13 cait kohacon14? 20:13 wahanui i guess kohacon14 is in Argentina! 20:14 magnuse hey, we should all meet at http://swib.org/swib13/programme.php 20:14 cait ah hamburg, hamburg is nice 20:15 magnuse yay! 20:19 drojf magnuse: you're going? 20:20 cait please stop torturing him. 20:21 cait tsk. 20:21 drojf huh? 20:22 rangi i think he meant to swibl 20:22 cait oh 20:22 drojf yes 20:22 * cait goes to hide somewhere 20:22 magnuse drojf: i really, really want to go to swib, but i have forgotten about it for a while 20:22 drojf because i asked him a while ago and he said no. i wondered if that changed now :) 20:23 magnuse mostly, i was just thinking of a way to meet cool koha people in europe ;-) 20:23 magnuse i'll have to think about ut 20:23 magnuse s/ut/it/ 20:23 drojf magnuse: oh that reminds me, can you recommend a book about semantic web? i wonder if i can use that for my thesis on lexicography 20:23 magnuse but i really, really think anyine interested in libraries and it should go there 20:25 magnuse drojf: "semantic web for the working ontologist" if you want to learn about modeling, "learning sparql" by DuCharme for the obvious reason and "programming the semantic web" by segaran, evans & taylor for the really practical programming stuff 20:26 drojf cool, i see if we got those here. thanks! 20:26 drojf magnuse++ 20:26 magnuse oh well, gotta run 20:26 cait good night magnuse :) 20:26 drojf i'd consider going to SWIB but i have to hand in said thesis shortly after 20:26 magnuse well, those are the only semweb books i have read, apart from "practical rdf" whixh is way out of date 20:27 drojf and i think i will be quite insane by then :D 20:27 magnuse have fun! 20:27 drojf good night magnuse 20:29 oleonard Bye #koha 20:30 cait drojf: aren't you already? :) 20:31 drojf aaaaw, don't tell anyone 20:31 cait ok, I won't 20:31 cait it's not like this channel was logged 20:31 cait or anything 20:31 wahanui rumour has it anything is possible with enough development work :) 20:33 ebegin Hey ! How do we submit changes to KOCT ? 20:36 rangi ebegin: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=summary 20:36 rangi send a patch based against that 20:36 rangi to jonathan probably 20:51 cait ebegin: did you figure it out? 20:55 cait drojf: wifi hating you again? 20:56 drojf how do you know? :D 20:57 cait lucky guess 20:57 ebegin cait, not yet, I was busy at something else 21:25 eythian hi 21:27 bag hey eythian 21:27 wahanui go back to bed, eythian 21:28 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 21:28 wahanui thanks cait :) 21:28 cait bag did you see our arrivals page on the wiki? 21:28 cait arrivals? 21:28 cait hmm 21:29 bag http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals 21:29 bag yes yes I did 21:29 cait yeah that one :) 21:29 cait and the hackfest14? 21:29 bag I was just telling pianohacker that he is flying with petter 21:29 cait hm hackfest13? 21:29 wahanui hackfest13 is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 21:29 cait ah 21:29 cait typoed :) 21:30 bag rangi: you should send pianohacker you're koha blobbie shirt so he can wear that and petter can look for that shirt :) 21:30 bag s/you're/your 21:30 bag :P 21:32 rangi heh 21:38 jcamins BTW, if anyone wants proof that caching is about scaling just as much as speed, I just ran a whole bunch of searches load balanced across three VMs. 21:39 jcamins When it started out, CPU usage was just under 400%, and some of the searches timed out. 21:39 jcamins Once the cache warmed up, CPU usage dropped down to just above 100%. 21:40 rangi *nod* 21:41 eythian Oh yes, when I was working on stuff.co.nz, having an empty local cache caused a page load to take minutes. After that it was a second. 21:41 eythian (local cache == in my dev environment) 21:42 jcamins Once it started hitting the cache more often than not, it also got faster, but as long as my searches are reasonably fast, that's fairly unimportant next to the difference between being able to serve 100 users and being able to serve 400 users. 21:43 jcamins Also, HAProxy is really cool. 21:43 eythian or the stuff cluster's being able to serve 10 people vs. a million :) 21:43 jcamins eythian: right, but hopefully you're not using MacBook Airs to serve stuff. 21:44 eythian jcamins: no, but it's still not running on a lot of hardware. 21:44 jcamins Where stuff = stuff.co.nz not just random stuff. 21:44 eythian yeah 21:44 eythian handful of webservers. 21:44 eythian very high read load for very small write load helps too 21:49 rangi they best sort this crap out by kohacon 21:49 rangi http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/what-the-us-government-has-to-do-with-your-popcorn-shrimp/280327/ 21:50 jcamins rangi: yeah... don't see that happening. 21:51 cait rangi: because you wan to eat tons of shrimp? 21:51 rangi heh, unfortunately its not just shrimp 21:51 rangi The furlough means more than 90% of the foreign seafood Americans eat is coming through unchecked, as well as half the fruit and one-fifth of the vegetables. 21:52 eythian rangi: on the other hand, I'm sure customs won't be checking and you can just bring your own food :) 21:52 rangi hehe 21:52 jcamins Our government is dead set on setting new records on stupidity, and there aren't a lot left to break. 21:53 cait if that somehow makes me not make it to reno - i will be majorly grumpy 21:54 rangi on the plus side, reno is far from any ocean 21:54 rangi so i wasnt planning on eating sea food anyway 21:55 rangi ill just eat masses of incredibly fried stuff 21:55 cait lol 21:55 * cait likes that idea 21:55 cait although i shouldn't 21:57 rangi all steak, all the time 21:57 rangi and fries 21:57 rangi and cinamon rolls 21:57 rangi i better buy 2 seats for the return flight 21:58 rangi and of course, can only drink beer, as that water has been boiled, so its safe 21:58 rangi :) 21:59 cait lol 21:59 cait and desinfected because of the alcohol? 21:59 rangi exactly 22:00 eythian cait won't be safe then. 22:00 * rangi actually followed that rule in quite a bit of rural china 22:00 cait nope not at all 22:00 eythian She'll be drinking the water. 22:00 cait I am worried 22:00 rangi the beer rule, not the steak one 22:00 cait (nothing new there) 22:00 eythian heh 22:00 bag and hops to preserve the beer :) 22:00 cait but beer is yuck. 22:01 rangi thats crazy talk 22:01 rangi go stand in the corner 22:01 cait and coming from a german 22:01 cait nope 22:02 bag OMGinny cait! yes yes go stand in the corner :P 22:03 cait I guess i will have to make new friends at kohacon,.. 22:03 rangi hehe 22:03 jcamins cait: wine has a high enough alcohol level that you should be fine with that. 22:04 cait you are not helping jared 22:05 rangi coffee then 22:05 jcamins cait: same for hard liquor, of course. :P 22:05 rangi heh 22:05 rangi speaking of which, brb 22:05 cait jcamins: and what will you drink? 22:06 jcamins cait: water. 22:06 eythian rangi is going for hard liquor. 22:06 cait hah! 22:06 cait well, guess there are at least 4 corners in the room ;) 22:07 cait why will brasero just blink in the menu and then go away? 22:07 * cait is trying to burn an iso image here... 22:08 cait hm guess i figured it out 22:09 eythian I haven't burnt a CD in a long time now. 22:09 cait it seemed easiest 22:11 cait not so sure now 23:29 dcook Argentina \o/ 23:29 * dcook just hopes Kohacon14 isn't in Sept/Oct 23:49 mtompset Greetings, dcook papa. 23:49 mtompset Why not, dcook? Why would you want Kohacon14 is some other month than September or October? 23:49 * dcook is hoping to be travelling in Greece in Sept/Oct :p 23:51 papa hey, hi there!