Time Nick Message 23:59 Guest1248 Hmm 23:40 mtompset Goodness... give the sign creation as a project to some engineering students and art students. 23:39 * dcook looks at the US government, then back at university administration, then back at US government, then back at university administration 23:39 mtompset maybe a couple hundred thousand, but 1 million?! 23:38 * dcook flails 23:38 dcook But complaining about low recruitment and retention 23:38 mtompset 1 million dollars on a sign?! 23:38 dcook Meanwhile, they're cutting staff and classes 23:38 rangi heh 23:38 dcook ...it's the only university in the city...and it's the university of that city 23:38 dcook My other old school is also rationalizing spending 1 million dollars on a new sign saying the university's name 23:37 rangi that went out in the 1800's 23:37 mtompset bring your own device?! But I thought *public* school was to give *everyone* (regardless of financial status) the *same* education. 23:37 rangi heh 23:36 dcook Because future librarians are so well prepared for technology already 23:36 dcook I think they're also cutting back tech support 23:36 dcook Yarp 23:36 rangi aka widen the gap 23:36 dcook bring your own device 23:36 mtompset BYOD? 23:36 dcook In other words, they're cheap. 23:35 dcook Wow, now my old school is saying they're only replacing 12 of 18 computers because they want to free up space for students to BYOD 23:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 23:35 mtompset okay, I'm still pretty new to sign offs. Could someone check to see if I did bug 6874 correctly? Seeing as one set of the patches are mine, I didn't sign mine off, but everything else is, right? 23:33 dcook Good call. 23:33 rangi i suspect thats why it's back 23:26 dcook Interesting how the LoC vs OCLC stuff is coming up 23:26 dcook Former cataloguing prof beat you to it :p but certainly a good thing to know 23:19 gmcharlt http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2013/13-A07.html 23:17 mtompset --oneline ... that's the one. 23:16 bgkriegel git log --oneline | head -8 ? 23:15 mtompset shoot my memory is shot, how do I list the commit ids of the last 8 commits? 22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text 22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted 22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod 22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) functional improvements 22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) tidy names of command-line switches 22:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons 22:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10419: (followup) fix license statement 22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) add branchcode parameter to patron deletion script 22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (followup) - tidy up cronjob for deleting patrons 22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: new cronjob for deleting patrons 22:58 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #129: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/129/ 22:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88936cb5245b854d5396d5bca0a9719a9a9bd1cc> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf31604a0e4ba0f731f8fc8634007d1986e99f51> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 21:48 cait good night all :) 21:39 eythian hi 21:39 cait morning eythian 21:31 rangi tcohen++ 21:31 wahanui privet, eythian 21:31 eythian hi 21:29 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 21:29 rangi @weather nzwn 21:29 huginn rangi: I suck 21:29 rangi @noaa nzwn 21:29 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 21:29 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:50 Dyrcona Heh. "Good luck with that!" 20:38 rambutan Don't ask me hard questions. :) 20:37 jcamins rambutan: why do that when you can just shut down the government and render laws moot? 20:35 rambutan http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/bundestag/ 19:55 * cait think run all the tests and the qa script 19:55 rangi but they are better than nothing 19:54 rangi since the qa tools still miss lots 19:54 rangi run all the tests 19:54 rangi or better 19:53 cait oleonard: very good question :) it would save some sending back of patches... 19:53 cait ok, i will take. 4, that ok? 19:53 oleonard Hey everyone, why not install the qa tools and run the tests yourself? 19:52 jcamins It's actually still reasonably nice, but if it were cooler I could bake. 19:52 jcamins You can have some of our heat. 19:51 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 23.5°C (3:51 PM EDT on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 19:51 jcamins @wunder 11375 19:51 cait brr. 19:51 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.1°C (9:50 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 19:51 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:44 mtompset sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults? 19:43 * cait forgot to start zebra server *sigh* 19:43 mtompset I see. It is funnier from wahanui's mouth. 19:42 wahanui i think hot adult sql action is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:42 mtompset hot adult sql action?! 19:37 cait lol 19:37 wizzyrea *snicker* 19:37 oleonard hot adult sql action is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:36 wizzyrea bad grammar is <reply> "Is our children learning?" 19:36 wizzyrea bad grammar. 19:36 wizzyrea user created reports is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:35 oleonard sql whatcha-ma-jigger is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:35 wizzyrea reports is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:34 wizzyrea sql report library is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:34 cait s :) 19:34 wahanui reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:34 cait reports library? 19:34 cait ah no.. that wasn't it 19:33 rangi morning 19:33 cait morning rangi 19:33 wizzyrea report library is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:33 rangi sql reports? 19:33 cait ah sec, i have an idea 19:33 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot report library 19:33 wizzyrea forget report library 19:33 wahanui reports are done by each library, and you can configure it 19:33 rangi reports? 19:33 oleonard mtompset: Yes 19:33 oleonard I know he knows the correct one...at least I thought he did 19:32 cait khall: it doesn't work for me :( 19:32 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but I'm wondering why wahanui was taught the obsolete one. 19:32 mtompset so oleonard '<input ... value="Upload file">' will translate? 19:32 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 19:31 jcamins Why does that point to a page listed as "obsolete"? 19:31 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:31 jcamins Interesting. 19:25 oleonard :P 19:22 wahanui report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library 19:22 wizzyrea report library? 19:01 oleonard Besides a button that says "Upload file?" 18:59 mtompset Okay... "Upload File". What's the translate-able way to set that string value for the button text? 18:50 mtompset So within the popup that parameter is defined, so I can know. :) 18:48 mtompset I passed a from_pop parameter. 18:43 oleonard $("#form").on("submit",function(){ }); 18:42 oleonard $("#selector").on("click",function(){ }); 18:41 mtompset So close! I need to distinguish between a plugin icon click and the submit button click from the popup window. 18:40 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:30 mmm45 i will check that out. Thank you!!!! 18:30 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 18:29 * oleonard shrugs 18:29 oleonard sql library? 18:29 oleonard ...so you could do an SQL report based on that 18:29 oleonard mmm45: It looks to me like charges entered using the "Create manual invoice" link are added to the database with 'M' as the accounttype 18:25 mmm45 i'm not sure i understand what she is asking 18:24 mmm45 well, she said that in the past when the bill notice script was running it wouldn't send the notices to anyone who had a manual charge for ILL (interlibrary loans) 18:24 magnuse maybe you could just write a report? 18:23 magnuse mmm45: what do you mean by "looks at"? 18:23 mmm45 so sorry 18:23 mmm45 charges 18:23 mmm45 I think she is referring to charges added by the staff? 18:23 oleonard Oh charges. 18:22 mmm45 in the schema, is there something close to this manual charge? 18:22 oleonard manual changes? 18:22 mmm45 my boss asked me to create a script that looks at manual charges that are created through the staff client by a person. I am not a programmer. I really need some assistance how i could do this. 18:21 oleonard Hi mmm45 18:20 mmm45 hello 17:59 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:59 jcamins @later tell tcohen Of course, I'm sorry. You are absolutely right, there's no need to choose a record when there's no choice. 17:51 cait1 *grump* 17:51 cait1 of course without saving my notes first :( 17:51 cait1 computer decided to restart 17:51 cait1 *sigh* 17:41 cait :) 17:41 * oleonard cheers for a united Germany 17:41 cait :) 17:40 cait German Unification Day 17:40 cait Tag der deutschen einheit 17:39 ebegin cait, we are in the process of merging in the master 17:38 oleonard Not me! 17:36 cait ok, quiz question - who knows what holiday it is today in germany? :) 17:35 cait ebegin: i think that was one from my wishlist - i hope to find time sometime for that, but it's quite unlikely to be soon at the moment and so i would not be sad if someone else did at all :) 17:32 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:32 tcohen @later tell jcamins i went through a series of tests and belive the test plan is wrong, and the script is working :-D 17:31 ebegin oleonard, oh, sorry, I saw that it was assigned to you without checking the status. 17:31 khall too true : ) 17:31 ebegin khall, specifications and RFCs are written to be rewritten :) 17:31 oleonard No, I would have set it to "assigned" if I was working on it. It is assigned to me by default because it is an OPAC bug. 17:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10937 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Option to hide some itemtypes from advanced search 17:30 ebegin oleonard, did you work on Bug 10937 so far ? 17:29 khall actually, it looks like at had already ditched that idea when I wrote the rfc 17:27 ebegin http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accounting_system_rewrite 17:27 khall I think the rfc is a bit out of date at this point. I had to change the schema a bit. There was no way to have separate fines and fees tables. In retrospect it wasn't a great idea anyway. I simple flag in one table accomplishes the same thing 17:26 ebegin ok, I'll look at it. Thanks 17:25 khall no, but there's an rfc on the wiki somewhere 17:25 ebegin khall, is there a bz covering that rewrite ? 17:24 cait no windows, else i would be using tht :) 17:24 oleonard D'oh! 17:24 nengard oh 17:24 cait and no windos... so no marcedit 17:24 wahanui marcedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php 17:24 nengard marcedit 17:24 cait i need to remove the itemnumber for testing purposes - so i can't do it in Koha 17:24 cait hm someone a hint what tool i can use to modify marc records exported from koha? 17:22 cait oleonard: to be honest the machine is making dinner right now - giving kyle some time to fix a warning :P 17:20 ebegin A quick comment : the way we did it was to use a PAYMODE authorised value to be more flexible 17:19 khall I'm still working on the module and unit tests. I'd like to get it posted asap, but it'll be a while still. 17:19 ebegin I'll add my comment in the bug then 17:18 ebegin ok, when will it be available ? 17:18 khall ebegin: I'm working on a an accounts rewrite that should take care of that 17:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Capture Mode of payment 17:17 ebegin khall, any plan for working on Bug 5620 soon ? We did part of it on our side, the only thing that is missing is the receipt number. 17:16 oleonard cait++ # QA machine 17:15 rambutan hey, that was pretty good. 17:11 oleonard Words which can be safely spoken by a grain but not a fruit. 17:10 wheat Need acq plugins--a plugin for each vendor, and only install the plugins needed 17:06 wahanui i guess acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :) 17:06 oleonard acquisitions? 17:05 wahanui serials are just awful all the time, and their MARC records reflected several decades worth of changing standards. 17:05 tcohen jcamins: what are serials? 17:05 wahanui ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. 17:05 tcohen jcamins? 16:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add multiple contacts for vendors 16:57 tcohen bug 10402 16:52 cait that was a big one :) 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 16:51 cait khall++ # bug 9611 16:27 reiveune bye 16:14 cait i had failed it ... now i feel slightly guilty? :) 16:13 cait can i interest someone in signing off on 10402? 16:11 tcohen thanks jcamins 16:10 jcamins loc backup is http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/marc/ 16:09 tcohen exactly 16:09 cait i think someon posted the link yesterday, but I am not sure where it was 16:09 tcohen hi cait 16:09 cait and hi tcohen :) 16:09 tcohen yeap 16:09 cait looking for the marc documentation? 16:08 tcohen loc backup? 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons 16:04 cait bug 10419 passed! 15:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10927 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Utils becomes useless 15:52 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module 15:52 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #128: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/128/ 15:44 tcohen it happens in my demo server only 15:44 tcohen i can't reproduce in production 15:40 tcohen uff, in production is working 15:39 jcamins Well- worked as well as DontMerge has ever worked for me, which is not well at all. 15:39 jcamins Odd. I tried DontMerge before releasing 3.12 and it worked. 15:38 tcohen the dontmerge syspref triggers this... 15:37 tcohen is not zebra 15:37 tcohen sigh 15:36 jcamins tcohen: restart Zebra? 15:34 tcohen "authorities.pl: ZOOM error 10004 "Connection lost" (addinfo: "unix:/var/run/koha/ffyh/bibliosocket") from diag-set 'ZOOM'" 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=118 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, searching 15:31 oleonard A new CC added to Bug 118? Exciting. 15:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9db77158d09379504e171fb4c0f43e054b8940fd> 14:36 cait i am already doping with chocolate cappuccino right now :) 14:36 cait aah 14:36 gmcharlt cait: oh, a caffeine pill 14:35 cait gmcharlt: what is it? 14:34 cait bgkriegel++ 14:34 * cait looks at it with a puzzled expression 14:33 cait bye gaetan_B3 :) 14:33 * gmcharlt hands cait some nodoze 14:33 cait that's quite some time 14:33 cait wow 14:33 gaetan_B3 bye ! 14:32 gmcharlt let's call it 23:59 in my timzone; i.e., another 16.5 hours from now 14:31 cait working on some last minute qa here - how long? timezones hate me :) 14:31 cait oh hi there :) 14:26 gmcharlt cait: pong 14:25 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 14:25 cait gmcharlt: ping? 13:52 * jcamins thinks so too. :) 13:51 Pablo Wow! Thats a great news! 13:49 jcamins (if you feel like signing off) 13:48 jcamins Use the last four patches. 13:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script 13:48 jcamins Pablo: bug 7419 13:48 jcamins Pablo: there's a script ot deduplicate authorities that is waiting for sign off. 13:23 * cait think jcamins has quite a bit of practice figuring out us non-native speakers 13:22 * jcamins understood. 13:22 Pablo (I read myself... clearly, English isn't my native language) 13:20 Pablo jcamins: I'm not picky, I think link_bibs_to_authorities works fine, the problem is just duplicated records... I'll try to find a workaround, perhaps something like what Galton suggest in that post 13:15 jcamins Something that caches authids. 13:12 jcamins Also, as a reminder, link_bibs_to_authorities wasn't written to generate authorities, so the next thing I'm going to say, if they are duplicates, is "that's unfortunate, maybe you should see about writing/getting someone to write a script that generates authorities." 13:11 jcamins The first thing to confirm would be that they're *really* duplicate. 13:10 Pablo Hi Jared! So you say this should work, but it seems it doesnt :( The path are correct, but I run the script and create duplicated authorities records 13:08 jcamins I'm not going to tell you it seems like a good idea, but you could certainly do it. 13:08 jcamins Pablo: you could do that. 13:07 Pablo around line 94. This is simply rebuild zebra before working with current record 13:07 cait you might want to try to catch jcamins or gmcharlt for that 13:07 cait I am not sure I can help with htat 13:07 cait oh 13:07 Pablo I add system("/usr/bin/perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z"); just after while ( my ($biblionumber) = $sth->fetchrow_array() ) { 13:06 Pablo (Ref: Galton email http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2013-June/036561.html ) 13:06 Pablo I have a question about link_bibs_to_authorities.pl. Galen Charlton suggest a solution to authority duplication. I made a change on the script that "should" solve the problem, I wonder why not... 13:05 cait hi Pablo - that was only the our bot wahanui 13:04 jcamins Hello. 13:04 jcamins Okay, not sure where that response came from, then. 13:04 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all" 13:04 jcamins wahanui: forget "Hi all" 13:04 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all!" 13:04 jcamins wahanui: forget "Hi all!" 13:03 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. 13:03 Pablo Hi all! 12:53 cait hi oleonard 12:44 tcohen morning oleonard 12:43 Oak hi oleonard 12:39 oleonard Hi #koha 11:42 huginn khall: The operation succeeded. 11:42 khall @later tell gmcharlt can you weigh in on bug 8352? Thanks! 11:08 nengard hi 11:08 cait hi nengard 10:51 cait but not today :) 10:51 cait guess it's time again to go through some of the old enhancements again before release 10:50 cait thx 10:50 cait done 10:49 marcelr yes 10:49 cait marcelr: i thought so too - would you be ok with closing it? 10:49 cait lots of similar bugs 10:49 marcelr that should be fixed 10:49 cait i guess we have some duplicates to clean up later 10:49 cait yep that's the one 10:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons 10:48 cait bug 10419 i think 10:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5573 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , delete lists when patron deleted 10:48 marcelr bug 5573 10:48 cait marcelr: do you know if 5573 is fixed now? i thought it was 10:48 bgkriegel ok :) 10:47 cait it's the cron for deleting patrons 10:47 cait looking for it sec 10:46 bgkriegel yes of course. Which one? 10:46 cait bgkriegel: could you take a look at one of the bugs that got a qa follow up maybe? 10:44 bgkriegel hi cait :) 10:43 cait hi bgkriegel :) 10:43 cait that never hurts :) 10:42 kivilahtio cait: understood, so make extra high quality code and unit tests 10:42 cait :) 10:42 cait if the patches are well tested and well writen you won't have to 10:41 kivilahtio cait: I am pretty afraid of that 10:41 cait because of rebases and taking comments into account and such 10:41 cait just make sure you calculate in some time for working with the testers and qa - most patches take more time in the end than one thought in the beginning 10:41 kivilahtio cait: happy to hear that :) 10:41 cait sounds good 10:40 kivilahtio cait: well we need some general improvements to Koha, and I will create patches and bugs for thos per the Koha community developer instructions. Trying to make everything optional. I just hope they get included in the master 10:39 cait we do it too, but we don#t change a lot 10:39 cait that's good :) but there is never a guarantee about the version it will make it in 10:39 kivilahtio cait: I am pretty sure many people would like to have that option 10:39 kivilahtio cait: well I was thinking of pushing that change to master? 10:38 cait and many more will i think 10:38 cait many have run into this problem 10:38 cait if you change too much, it will be hard to upgrade later 10:38 cait just be careful 10:38 kivilahtio cait: We are going live in 6 months, I think I can pull that off :) 10:38 kivilahtio cait: I can program it. 10:38 kivilahtio cait: and some other misc fees. It is easy to add the postal feel charging. 10:38 cait you'd have to include it into your overdue fee 10:37 cait hm koha can't charge postage fees currently 10:37 kivilahtio cait: I mean we need to migrate the fee for sending a letter (snail mail) to our patrons for their overdue notices 10:37 cait the fine on return is a rather new feature for hourly loans, there is an overdues script that can be run nightly that calculates thefines on the accounts 10:37 cait hm not entirely true 10:36 kivilahtio I think overdues are generated in Koha when the item is returned, but these are reminder fees 10:36 cait kivilahtio: they don't 10:36 cait I would create my own i think - are those overdues? 10:36 kivilahtio I mean do these system generated manual invoices generate somekind of messagees or emails? 10:36 kivilahtio cait: Ok. So If I want to migrate our old "Due date notification message fine"s to Koha, should I use a system generated value, or invent my own? 10:35 cait i think it's ok that way, it also means that the basic codes are translatable 10:35 cait the pull down has the types koha already knows, and you can add to them using manual_inv 10:35 cait to my knowledge that belongs to older code 10:34 cait it's not used 10:34 cait you can ignore the notify_id 10:34 kivilahtio ok, they are distinguished using the $notify_id 10:34 cait that's why they are there, you can also set them manually 10:34 cait with specific codes 10:34 kivilahtio cait: Not critical, but nice to not have 10:34 cait the manual invoices listed there are used by Koha itself 10:34 kivilahtio cait: Well shouldn't they be moved? It is rather distracting 10:33 cait no. 10:33 kivilahtio cait: Is there a bug to move them all to authorized values? 10:33 kivilahtio cait: In authorized values MANUAL_INV, there is but one entry, but when adding a manual invoice, I get meny to choose from 10:33 cait yes, a part of them are, those are set by the system with the specific codes, but you can also set your own 10:33 kivilahtio or part of them, wow 10:33 cait authorised values 10:32 kivilahtio Hi Koha! The "Manual invoice" types are hard coded? 10:22 cait Joubu: around? 10:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber 10:21 * marcelr looks for someone willing to test bug 9788; the last two patches need a signoff still 10:09 magnuse sounds like a good plan! 10:09 cait and for a nice walk some sun would be good :) 10:09 cait yeah maybe, but i had intended to go outside too 10:09 cait heh 10:09 magnuse cait: ideal for housework and qa? :-) 10:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 10:09 magnuse @wunder boo 10:09 cait hm not the ideal weather for a holiday 10:08 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 10:08 cait @wunder Konstanz 10:02 cait i will try that - thank you 09:58 magnuse cait: you can do "yaz-client", then "zversion" - that gives you... something. but i'm not sure if every yaz-* tool has it's own version or if the version you get then is the "yaz version" 09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Failed QA , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade 09:48 cait Colin asked at bug 10729 09:48 cait hm can someone help me to find my version of yaz? 09:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions 09:44 * cait tests bug 9044 09:44 cait well for new and enh that is 09:41 marcelr ;) 09:41 cait some more hours still until the deadline ... :) 09:41 cait hi marcelr 09:41 marcelr hi cait 09:41 cait you are here at odd times :) 09:40 cait hi JDatTeTakere 09:35 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere! 09:10 magnuse kia ora cait 09:09 cait hi #koha 08:37 magnuse hiya samueld 08:37 samueld hi everybody 08:12 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 08:12 marcelr @later tell oleonard could you have a look at the design for forcenotesreason in the new opac-reserves form? see also bug 9743 07:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Limit the list of languages in advanced search through system preferences 07:36 magnuse yay for Bug 10986 07:08 dcook hmm ran koha-upgrade-schema just in case.. 07:08 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B 07:08 gaetan_B hello 06:59 dcook I thought I cancelled out of the updatedatabase by accident...but it seems that it might've run anyway.. 06:59 dcook Huh... 06:53 dcook magnuse: You're probably right. 06:53 wahanui i heard gitify was at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 06:53 dcook gitify? 06:51 magnuse dcook: that sounds like it should not be too hard, and there are probably perl modules for doing the heavy lifting 06:51 wahanui privet, alex_a 06:51 alex_a bonjour 06:48 dcook magnuse: Agreed. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard if we were just pointing to bib records 06:48 marcelr hi dcook 06:48 dcook hey marcelr 06:43 magnuse dcook: no sitemap generator that i am aware of, but having one would be cool! 06:43 marcelr hi magnuse 06:43 magnuse hiya marcelr 06:43 marcelr hi #Koha 06:43 * magnuse thinks eythian is welcome to stay, if he would like to 06:42 * eythian leaves 06:41 * magnuse waves 06:38 * dcook waves 06:37 reiveune hello 06:35 * dcook wishes that he had set a timer for this package install of Koha... 06:07 dcook Hehe. I love this: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" 06:02 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:02 mtompset I think that is a good idea... it being after 2am here. 05:56 dcook dbs++ 05:56 dcook Thanks for answering my questions :) 05:55 dcook I was going to ask if Koha had a sitemap generator, but I won't keep you up ;) 05:55 dcook hehe 05:55 * dbs heads to bed on that :) 05:55 dcook Mmm, good point 05:55 dbs dcook: no worries. OAI-PMH is pretty library/archive-centric. sitemap + RDFa is something that general crawlers can dig 05:53 dcook Not that I'm critiquing it. I'm just relaying questions and being curious :) 05:52 dcook Crawling would actually be quite laborious still 05:52 dcook But in the case of Koha, I think OAI-PMH would probably make more sense than crawling 05:51 dcook dbs: Admittedly, that's what excited me. I wrote a crawler a few months ago and I would've loved RDFa for digesting the contents of the pages 05:48 dbs dcook: disintermediating OCLC, for example. simple web crawler to aggregate collections of interest rather than a byzantine record submission process 05:41 dcook .. 05:39 mtompset metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;) 05:38 dcook It's a bit late there, eh? 05:38 dcook hehe 05:38 dcook dbs: Makes sense, but in what case would a person be interested in getting that metadata? 05:38 dbs sentence! :) 05:37 dbs And at a time when I am normally awake, I would actually spell each word in that entence, and follow grammatical rules. (sheesh) 05:36 dbs dcook: belated answer: main rationale was that I thought was crazy that there was no consistent way of exposing record metadata and holdings across various cataloges 05:16 mtompset vserver-- # you are the source of all my indexing headaches. Die, terrible virtualization technology, die! 05:08 mtompset *sigh* 04:34 mtompset I'll be very happy when we do. 04:34 eythian I think I once evaluated it against openvz, but picked openvz instead. It seemed newer and fancier. 04:34 mtompset We are moving off the provider that uses that shortly. 04:33 eythian vserver eh. It's been a long while since I heard of that. 04:33 mtompset Similar sized data set (maybe a couple months off) worked fine in my VirtualBox VM with 512MB and no swap. 04:32 mtompset vserver-- # yes, you really suck you ancient piece of virtualization technology. 04:31 mtompset (What does the fox say? and Jan Egland? (sp err?)) 04:30 mtompset Actually, I watched a couple other videos... and wondered, "Why does he mention blue eyes in these two songs?" 04:29 eythian no, it was just relevant 04:29 mtompset eythian: So, you are really into Ylvis now? 04:25 Oak Ahoy mtompset 04:25 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 04:24 * Oak waves 04:23 mtompset Okay... now to try with 512MB and no swap. :) 04:22 mtompset Does anyone know how to turn off swap? 04:19 mtompset okay... shrinking to 512 and trying again. 04:19 mtompset And that worked in my VM. 04:04 mtompset I really do think it is our VM environment. I'll downgrade my memory size. 04:04 mtompset okay... full reindex on 2GB local VM no issues. 04:03 mtompset jcamins: Speaking of hiding related patches... my colleagues have confirmed that if life/death were ever issues, they would not add the library. the libraries being added are a matter of embarrasment and potential visa loss. 04:00 mtompset And the beta 6874. 04:00 mtompset 10589, 10895, 10900? I think that's them. 03:59 mtompset plus some of the patches that haven't match it through sign off/qa yet. 03:59 dcook dbs: Quick question for you. What inspired the idea to add RDFa to the detail pages? Was there a call for it or more so just a neat thing to do? 03:58 mtompset login. 03:58 wizzyrea what do the custom patches do? 03:58 mtompset master plus some custom patches. 03:57 wahanui somebody said version was always noted in a comment on top 03:57 wizzyrea what version? 03:57 jcamins Odd that it doesn't work. 03:57 jcamins Okay. 03:57 mtompset sorry, confused in switching windows. 03:56 jcamins Okay. 03:56 mtompset No... used... 03:56 jcamins 8% *free*? 03:56 jcamins Ah. 03:56 mtompset 8% free diskspace. 03:56 eythian http://youtu.be/mbyzgeee2mg <-- try this then, mtompset 03:56 mtompset No. 780MB of RAM. 03:56 jcamins And only 8% used? 03:56 jcamins mtompset: you have 780MB disk space free? 03:56 mtompset I want to test a full reindex on MY vm. 03:55 mtompset Thank you for triggering that other idea... 03:55 wizzyrea ew. 03:55 mtompset I blame our VM environment for that. 03:55 mtompset And it could barf around 24K. 03:55 mtompset Strangely not. 03:54 mtompset That is a weird video, eythian. 03:54 wizzyrea that'd take ~20mins I'd guess 03:53 mtompset Not huge. 03:53 mtompset about 45K. 03:52 wizzyrea how many records? 03:52 wizzyrea haha yea 03:51 mtompset However, if the indexing pain I experienced on the QA system with 512MB is any reflection of the Live with 1GB, I rather not. 03:51 eythian http://youtu.be/PaEnaoydUUo <-- wizzyrea, try this. 03:51 mtompset I may try that later. 03:51 mtompset A full reindex is NOT possible at this time. 03:50 * wizzyrea was getting down to something called "happystep" and clearly now I have wandered into dubstep land, which is not always bad but whatever this is... yea, naw. 03:49 wizzyrea what is this I'm listening to. good heavens. 03:49 wizzyrea how big is the dataset? is a full reindex impossible? 03:48 bag how many records? you could try a full reindex see if that catches it? 03:48 mtompset Nothing strange about the record. Just a plain, ordinary record trying to make its way in the world. ;) 03:48 mtompset Nope. 03:43 bag 942$n 03:43 bag you don't happen to have it suppressed do you? 03:42 mtompset Any other ideas, bag? 03:40 mtompset I searched for Bogus and got results, but nothing that is the biblio I changed. 03:39 mtompset no results. 03:39 mtompset I searched for "Bogus Title" without quotes. 03:39 mtompset I changed the title to "Bogus Title" 03:39 mtompset Just did a search again. 03:38 bag try one more time :) 03:37 mtompset I think default dom with MARC21. 03:37 bag dom or grs1? 03:36 mtompset nothing in the zebra error logs either. 03:36 bag nope 03:36 mtompset 780MB free. 03:36 bag hahaha 03:35 mtompset 8% disk space used. 03:35 bag space issue? 03:35 wizzyrea dunno, wfm 03:35 mtompset yes. 03:35 wizzyrea for the biblionumber you edited? 03:34 mtompset I watched the zebraqueue table go from not done to done. 03:34 bag hmm.. bummer 03:34 bag cause the indexer isn't running? 03:34 mtompset 5... and it is reindexed. 03:34 wizzyrea because it takes 10 minutes to index? 03:33 mtompset Why if I change the 245$a subfield is my new title not searchable? 03:15 mtompset Hmmm... 03:06 mtompset And wouldn't that mean I should see a zebraqueue record added? 03:05 mtompset Hmmm... when I edit a title on a biblio, shouldn't that trigger a reindex for zebra? 03:04 rangi thingy 03:04 rangi yep it has a GetAvailability 03:04 jcamins But ILS-DI/svc stuff should do what you need, I think. 03:03 wizzyrea right cool. 03:03 rangi yeah 03:03 jcamins Same as Zebra. 03:03 jcamins Just onloan/not onloan. 03:03 jcamins (item details over Z39.50) 03:02 jcamins We do not. 03:02 rangi i dont think we hand out item details on the public z3950 server 03:02 rangi or the other stuff in svc 03:01 wizzyrea noted 03:01 rangi however using the ils-di for it is better 03:01 wizzyrea ~10 mins ya? 03:01 rangi realish 03:01 rangi yes 03:01 wizzyrea ? 03:01 wizzyrea for availability/ 03:01 wizzyrea we have z39.50 but is it real time? 03:00 wizzyrea Real Time Availability Checking (RTAC) - is there a z39.50 or REST service ? Koha can do this? If you tell me then I'll know :) 02:59 mtompset okay... palemoon chatzilla plug in configured. :) 02:59 mtompset Test. :) 02:58 wizzyrea because it's silly 02:58 mtompset Neither do I, jcamins. 02:58 mtompset Why, wizzyrea? 02:58 jcamins I don't think I like opera. 02:52 wizzyrea ie-- 02:48 mtompset I'm playing with palemoon. 02:48 mtompset greetings, #koha. 02:16 wizzyrea vimperator sounds like a russian wimp destroyer. 01:24 mtj the last release of opera actually removed those shortcuts, after having them for years :/ 01:24 mtompset Hmmm... would all the pieces of C4::Context, if it were hypothetically split up (like in 7176), make it into the Koha name space? 01:24 mtj awesome 01:23 eythian you could definitely make those 01:22 mtj all i want are one-finger shortcuts for tab-left / tab-right :) 01:21 mtj anyhoo, thanks ill def. take a look 01:21 rangi mtj: yup 01:21 cjh and yes, much cooler name xD 01:21 mtj tho, i guess you can set your shortcuts to anything, with vimperator? 01:21 cjh iirc most of the lead vimperator devs now work on pentadactyl. 01:21 eythian why? Then there's less mental shift between work and browser. 01:20 jcamins Woohoo! <300MB. 01:20 mtj lol, i'm not sure i want *vim* shortcuts for my browser :p 01:20 eythian also has a cooler name, imho. 01:20 eythian or pentadactyl, which is just a fork of vimperator, but apparently more developed. 01:20 rangi http://www.vimperator.org/vimperator 01:19 rangi if you want short cuts :) 01:19 rangi vimperator 01:19 mtj i cant wean myself off its handy shortcut keys! 01:18 mtj fwiw, im a fan of opera - and have been using it as my go-to browser for years 01:18 jcamins Oh, I already have it. 01:17 jcamins I'll download it and try it. 01:17 jcamins So, maybe lower RAM use. 01:17 eythian there is a difference between the engine and the browser. 01:16 eythian webkit != chrome != chromium 01:16 mtj they switched to webkit recently, i heard 01:16 mtj heh, yeah possibly 01:15 jcamins Isn't Opera just Chrome with an MDI interface these days? 01:15 mtj it was lean, last time i checked 01:15 mtj opera might be a good choice, too 01:15 mtompset oh wait.. you aren't talking windows. :P 01:15 mtompset oh... shoot, there was one I was using a while back... 01:13 eythian epiphany? or whatever they call the gnome webbrowser these days. 01:12 jcamins Is anyone aware of a modern web browser that uses less RAM than Chrome or Firefox? 00:51 rangi deleting that message so i cant respond 00:51 rangi *sigh* i hope no one thinks that i actually think MARC is good 00:20 dcook Yeah... 00:20 dcook Ah... 00:20 cait1 main :) 00:19 dcook Which list? 00:10 rangi thats the sound of that reply to my email missing my point entirely 00:10 rangi wooosh 00:01 mtompset Hmm... I know I'm late to the conversation, but shouldn't the bot be named Adams? (Patch Adams, get it?)