Time Nick Message 00:05 rambutan what sporting event is being discussed? 9-11 would seem to not be soccer, not basketball 00:07 tcohen a tennis tie-break 04:05 bgkriegel bye 04:25 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 08:30 cait good morning #koha 08:56 cait bgkriegel++ 09:01 cait signed off 46! 09:02 * cait feels a little like that guy with the hill and the stone at times 09:02 cait but i had asked for it... 10:40 cait native speaker around? 13:32 rambutan It's morning. 13:33 cait goodmornign rambutan :) 13:35 cait jcamins helped me out already - jcamins++ 13:56 rambutan I thhink you and jcamins must be on #koha 24/7 13:57 cait I am not going to comment on this :) 13:58 rambutan I should go check on my pancakes, brb 14:29 rambutan jenkins? 14:29 wahanui somebody said jenkins was http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ 14:32 rambutan image of jenkins reminds me of Jeeves (askjeeves) 14:38 rambutan How does the distributed build work in Jenkins? 14:39 cait rambutan: I think i am the wrong one to ask this :) 14:39 cait as far as i unddrstand it... there are different servers doing different builds and reporting back? 14:40 rambutan yea, but what in Jenkins actually sets this up? I'm reading the docs, but haven't found anything yet about 14:40 rambutan distribuiting the build over difference CPUs 14:41 cait i think one build is done by one server 14:41 cait another does the test suite iwth mariadb and so on 14:42 rambutan OK, so it's not really a distributed task manager then. 14:42 cait not sure 14:42 rambutan More like Boinc then 14:44 cait to me it looks like both are very different software 14:45 rambutan yea, but conceptually the functionality must be analogous 14:45 rambutan this is interesting - trigger builds by email 14:45 rambutan jenkins-foo: "|/bin/wget -o /dev/null http://YOURHOST/jenkins/job/PROJECTNAME/build" 14:48 rambutan wonder if we're using mavin 14:48 rambutan Maven 14:48 rambutan Ah Ha! Eureka! https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Distributed+builds 14:49 rambutan Wonder who hosts Jenkins Master? 14:49 cait rangi does 14:50 rambutan ah 14:50 rambutan appears quite simple to add/manage slaves 14:52 rambutan of course, jenkins is all java, there must be just a little twitch factor there :) 14:55 rambutan OK, so we're not compiling Perl, so what does a "build" actually do? 14:56 jcamins rambutan: it runs the complete installation process and all the unit tests. 14:56 rambutan ic ic 14:56 jcamins And a sub-task generates a package. 14:56 rambutan so that means it's running a shell script 14:57 jcamins continuous integration? 14:57 rambutan OK, this is easy as cake 14:57 jcamins continuous integration is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Continuous_Integration 14:57 jcamins That has the build script. 14:59 rambutan Wish I could have attended that (Chris') presentation 15:40 rambutan @later tell rangi do VM's work OK as Jenkins slaves, or is bare metal preferred? 15:40 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 15:55 rambutan @later tell rangi How many Jenkins slaves are we currently running? 15:55 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded. 17:21 cait bgkriegel++ :) 17:22 bgkriegel now for what? :) 17:23 bgkriegel thx :) 17:24 bgkriegel you have been very busy! cait++ 17:24 cait not busy enough :) 17:24 cait still 13 enh/new features remaining 18:26 cait1 t 18:26 bgkriegel :) 18:26 bgkriegel done 10854 18:28 cait bgkriegel++ :) 18:49 bgkriegel cait: 10969. Russian file has a TRUNCATE, but can't be truncated because foreign key constraint, so 1) remove truncate or 2) replace with delete 3) lift constraint for that sentence 18:56 cait bgkriegel: hm 18:56 cait you are right - i just kept it how it was 18:56 cait maybe comment it? 18:56 cait it seems quite dangerous 18:56 bgkriegel If they want truncate, then i go for 3) 18:56 cait ok 18:56 bgkriegel just disable, truncate and enable 18:57 cait ok 19:10 rangi morning 19:10 rangi 2 new devs in september 19:10 cait morning 19:11 rangi i should do a patch for that 19:12 rangi @later tell rambutan VM work fine, we have 2 already, i still need to configure bgkriegel's one to do a bit more, galens one is running master against mariadb, i can show you how at kohacon 19:12 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 20:09 mtj hey rangi, have you got round to looking at travis.cli.org ? 20:09 rangi yep, it's good as far as proprietary SaaS goes 20:10 mtj s/looking/look/ 20:12 jcamins rangi: it looks like their code is on Github. 20:12 mtj hmm, i actually thought it travis was FOSS :/ 20:12 rangi oh cool 20:12 jcamins MIT license. 20:12 wahanui well, mit license is compatible, but upgrading to GPLv3+ is a good idea anyway. 20:12 rangi i might be confusing with coveralls 20:13 jcamins rangi: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis 20:13 rangi mtj: it seems fine, doesnt do anything jenkins doesnt 20:13 rangi its integration with github is nice, if you like github 20:13 rangi but there is a plugin to do the same for jenkins 20:15 mtj i started experimenting with travis coz it was quick, free and i couldnt spare a jenkins box 20:17 mtj i think jenkins does a bunch more stuff than travis 20:18 mtj i liked getting a clean VM for every build in travis…. tho i'm sure jenkins could be set up to do the same thing 20:19 rangi yep 20:19 jcamins mtj: easy peasy. Worst case scenario, you use Vagrant. 20:19 jcamins jenkins can run a bash script that starts Vagrant. 20:19 rangi https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Vagrant+Plugin 20:20 rangi even easier 20:20 mtj touche 20:21 jcamins Cool. 20:22 mtj is it easy to get different OSs booting in vagrant? 20:22 rangi havent tried, but i cant imagine it is 20:22 mtj ie: as a vagrant 'box' 20:23 mtj looks like it might be easy peasy 20:24 jcamins mtj: I only use it with Ubuntu. 20:24 jcamins But it's dead simple with Ubuntu. 20:25 mtj woah! -> http://www.vagrantbox.es 20:25 jcamins mtj: https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/blob/master/Vagrantfile and https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/blob/master/bootstrap-deb.sh 20:26 mtj awesome, i've been looking for something like vagrant for a while… 20:26 jcamins That script doesn't actually work because Cassandra's packaging is broken. 20:27 rangi vagrant + chef = awesome 20:27 jcamins It did for a while, though. 20:27 rangi mtj: you should look at docker.io too its pretty neat 20:27 mtj i failed badly trying to get ubuntu VMs booting on a debian XEN system, a few weeks ago 20:27 rangi different use cases i think 20:27 rangi but still neat 20:28 jcamins Yeah, very different. But both very cool. 20:29 mtj rangi, yep thanks - docker.io was next on my TODO list 20:29 mtj ( i saw it mentioned on #koha recently - and re-remembered it ) 20:30 rangi mtj: travis + coveralls = https://coveralls.io/r/ranginui/ncip-server-chris 20:30 rangi which is kinda fun 20:31 rangi Devel::Cover::Report::Coveralls 20:31 rangi cover -test -report coveralls 20:34 mtj very cool :) 20:34 mtj i had some success recently, testing Koha install-docs on travis… https://travis-ci.org/KohaAloha/koha-install-docs 20:35 rangi cool 20:35 mtj was nice to 'prove' that some instructions actually worked... 20:35 rangi i really need to get jenkins to mark a build failed 20:35 rangi if coverage drops 20:37 cait :) 20:37 cait +1 20:37 * rangi grabs coffee brb 20:37 mtj hmm, perhaps the 'cover' test could be added to the qa-tool.pl even... 20:38 mtj like the perl-critic test 20:38 mtj (might be a really slow test tho) 20:39 jcamins That would be an incredibly slow test. 20:39 mtj yeah - i thought it might :p 20:39 jcamins You'd have to run the entire test suite twice. 20:40 cait another slave? 20:40 cait i mean jenkins could do it 20:40 jcamins cait: no, I meant with koha-qa. 20:40 cait and you could test coverage only on the files changes 20:40 cait changed 20:40 cait not so slow then maybe 20:41 jcamins cait: the problem is you have to run every single test to find out which ones include coverage of the changed files. 20:45 cait hm yeah you are right 20:46 rangi it shouldnt fail qa 20:46 rangi nessecarily 20:46 mtj jcamins, thanks for the vagrant examples, they are just what i need :) 20:46 rangi but jenkins can make the build fail and highlight coverage dropped 20:48 * jcamins contemplates tracings. 20:48 * cait runs the qa script on random bugs because she is really too tired to continue testing 21:26 eythian hi 21:26 cait hi eythian 21:26 cait how are you? 21:26 cait :) 21:27 eythian Daylight saving changed, so slightly jetlagged :) 21:27 cait oh did it? 21:27 cait what time is it for you now? 21:27 cait 11 hours now? that always confuses me 21:30 wizzyrea 10:30 here 21:30 eythian yeah, that 21:30 wahanui well, yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha... 21:31 cait eythian: i was wondering if you could look at 2 bugs for me? 21:31 cait bug 10733 is all packages 21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Memcached on package installs 21:31 cait and i wonder if we need additional changes for bug 10729 21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade 21:37 cait eythian: are you hiding now? :) 21:37 eythian just distracted :) 21:37 eythian I'll try to have a look today. 21:37 cait that would be awesome, thx 21:44 jcamins So it turns out there are some disadvantages to a discovery layer like Biblionarrator. 21:44 cait oh? 21:44 jcamins When you do a search you get all the really relevant results that have been cataloged *horribly*. 21:44 jcamins And all you can say is "oh my god, I hope I didn't write that." 21:45 jcamins While trying to ignore the sneaking suspicion that it may have been one of your first records. 21:45 cait ah 21:45 cait that happens with people using koha too 21:45 cait when they first try the publication date search :) 21:45 cait and other searches 21:45 jcamins lol 21:46 cait 9190... that doesn't look quite right 21:46 jcamins True, but the really horribly cataloged records don't show up in searches, usually. 21:47 jcamins This record... 21:47 * jcamins sighs. 22:03 cait good night :) 22:11 jcamins @marc 952 22:11 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 22:11 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 952 22:41 jcamins Good morning, cait. 22:41 cait *hides* 23:41 jcamins rangi: hey, I don't suppose you know of anyone who has collected statistics on which indexes are actually used on the OPAC? 23:42 rangi not me 23:44 jcamins I computed it for one library, and it matched what I expected: 78.61% keyword, 10.09% author, 4.83% title, and 3.8% subject. 23:45 jcamins The other 9 indexes used on the OPAC make up the remaining 2.67% of searches. 23:47 rangi sounds what id expect 23:48 jcamins Yeah, but I'd be interested in sanity checking those results, to confirm that it is as consistent as I think. 23:49 wizzyrea i'd guess it has a lot to do with what kind of library, and what kind of search they set as default 23:49 jcamins Anti-confirmation bias, don't you know. 23:49 wizzyrea but yea, that seems like what I'd expect 23:49 rangi ill see if i can pull some stats 23:50 jcamins wizzyrea: this was a specialized research library. 23:50 wizzyrea default set to keyword? 23:50 rangi that makes me think 23:50 jcamins Yep. 23:56 jcamins A study at Nanyang Technical University has keyword 68.9%, title 16.5%, author 8.2%, and subject 6.4%. 23:57 rangi we should totally make a way to export those stats, anonymised 23:57 rangi so that libraries can click and export and then we can collect them 23:59 jcamins Yeah, that'd be useful. 23:59 jcamins Well, interesting. 23:59 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad