Time Nick Message 01:43 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:45 mtompset Is there a way to get a browser window to want to stay on top? 01:45 mtompset larger main window pops up a smaller browser window. Force the smaller one to stay visible and focused while open? 01:46 jcamins No. 01:47 jcamins Web browsers have adapted to prevent that sort of disgusting behavior. 01:58 mtompset Okay... then if if the smaller one is popped up... 01:59 mtompset and the larger main window has the user click the button which caused the smaller popup window to appear, is there a way to refocus to the smaller window? 01:59 mtompset Because without the refocus, the smaller window might not be visible, and the user might think the link is busted. 02:00 jcamins That should be the default behavior, I think. 02:01 mtompset It isn't when I'm testing bug 6874. 02:01 jcamins Take a look at how cataloging plugins do it. 02:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 02:01 mtompset I'm using firefox, and the smaller window that popped up stays behind. 02:02 jcamins Huh. I wonder why. 02:03 mtompset just tried it with IE. Same lack of refocus. 02:03 jcamins Sounds like it has failed QA for several reasons then. 02:04 mtompset it is failing... hasn't failed yet. 02:04 mtompset Hasn't even been signed off yet. 02:04 mtompset I'm not signing off until I'm happy with it. 02:04 jcamins Right, that's my point. 02:04 jcamins It has failed because you can't sign off. 02:04 jcamins If these issues aren't fixed, you can't sign off. 02:05 mtompset I *can* sign off. I *won't* sign off. :) 02:05 mtompset Slight difference. :) 02:21 mtompset Woo hoo! Found a simple fix for that. :) 02:28 mtompset I think I need to let my brain relax. Testing drains me. 02:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 03:51 rangi bwahaha 03:52 rangi http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2013-09-27#i_1393167 03:52 rangi im guessing he hasnt actaully seen much java in the wild 03:52 jcamins lol 03:52 jcamins Clearly not. 03:53 rangi also signing off on somethign that you know doesnt work, is irresponsible 03:53 * rangi catches up on scrollback 03:54 cjh hahahaha that java question is awesome. 03:54 jcamins cjh: I'm not sure, but I think the fact that there is a jkoha which has hundreds or thousands of lines of code and presumably doesn't do anything might be more awesome. 03:55 rangi im not sure it actually has any code? 03:56 rangi probably still writing specs 03:56 cjh the biggest problem modern koha faces: not being written in java? 03:57 rangi oh i lie there is some stuff 03:57 rangi http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jkoha/jkoha/ 03:57 cjh jcamins: wow, I didnt know jkoha was a thing 03:57 cjh http://jkoha.sourceforge.net/ 03:57 jcamins rangi: yeah, looked like tons of code. Just no code that does anything. 03:58 jcamins Not that I looked closely. 03:58 * Dyrcona wrote the software to migrate his consortium from SirsiDynix Horizon to Evergreen in Java. 03:58 rangi it looks like someone has run the maven set up stuff 03:58 rangi and not a lot else 03:58 jcamins Dyrcona: so it was exceptionally well-architected? 03:58 jcamins rangi: right, hundreds or thousands of lines. :P 03:58 rangi :) 03:58 Dyrcona jcamins: I overarchitect everything, even in Perl. 03:58 jcamins Dyrcona: but it was easier in Java? 03:59 rangi avanti started before Koha 03:59 Dyrcona Meh. It's about the same as Perl when you really understand both language.s 03:59 jcamins Dyrcona: yeah, I'm just joking. 03:59 jcamins rangi: what's avanti? 03:59 jcamins Oh. 03:59 rangi was going to be an opensource ILS, written in java 04:00 jcamins Ummm... 04:00 rangi they bailed, and just did an opac 04:00 Dyrcona Here's the public repo if you're interested: http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=jason/hz2eg.git;a=summary 04:00 rangi http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/microlcs.html 04:00 jcamins they just released version 0.3.1. 04:00 rangi ahh thats of their new thing nova 04:00 rangi but yeah 04:01 rangi september 99 to jan 5 2000 04:01 rangi versus 11 years :-) 04:01 Dyrcona heh. 04:02 rangi i wonder what nova does 04:02 jcamins You know, every so often I think "I'd like to use Java for {X thing that is available in Java}." Then I start trying to use it, and discover that A) it needs to download 1GB of JAR files, and B) it won't run on Mac or CentOS. 04:02 rangi http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/nova/ 04:02 rangi looks like a noSQL db 04:03 rangi i dont id ever wake up and say, you know what, ill try to write a db engine 04:03 jeff kuali is pretty much java, as i understand it. 04:03 jeff huh. kuali ole might be the only ils to start with Acquisitions first. 04:03 jcamins jeff: and, uhhh, they're totally getting close to finishing the library system. 04:03 jcamins Yeah. 04:03 jcamins That's right. 04:03 wahanui I know. 04:03 rangi i just wish they had split the money between koha and evergreen 04:03 jcamins Totally about to be usable. 04:04 rangi imagine how much further along we could be with a few million each to spend on plumbing 04:04 jcamins rangi: actually, I think Nova is what happens when you write Biblionarrator in Java. 04:04 rangi jcamins: ahhh 04:05 rangi https://www.kuali.org/join/contribute 04:05 * Dyrcona bites his tongue about Evergreen's plumbing. 04:05 rangi nothing 1.2 million couldnt fix Dyrcona :) 04:06 jeff hrm. online demo claims you can circ items, but i don't see how. 04:06 * Dyrcona feigns innocence. 04:06 jcamins Dyrcona: $1.2m would pretty much solve any problems you can think of, I think. 04:06 jcamins If applied judiciously. 04:06 jcamins Hey, I bet the code is on Github, since Github is the new cool thing. 04:06 Dyrcona rangi: I say we go to bid for the New Zealand Inland Revenue contracts. They estimated that at how many billion, again? 04:07 rangi 7 or so 04:07 rangi something stupid 04:07 rangi most of it will go to oracle 04:07 Dyrcona Taxes have to be easier than an ILS... We're basically reimplementing SAP for Libraries. 04:07 * Dyrcona spits at the mention of the company that must not be named. 04:07 jcamins Oh, look. No. The QA testing tools are on Github, the actual system is not really amenable to pull requests or patch submissions, or anything like that. 04:08 rangi hmm kuali hits my pet peeve, ive been clicking round for a while and i cant find licenses 04:08 rangi im 99% they made their own one 04:08 jeff i do wonder about the 138 newlines preceding the DOCTYPE in the ole demo portal's html 04:08 rangi cos why not just reinvent everything 04:08 jcamins No way I'm taking that bet. 04:08 jcamins Whoah. 04:09 jcamins Did you notice that the source code for OLE is entirely closed? 04:09 rangi yeah 04:09 jcamins I missed that before. 04:09 jcamins I thought they were just obnoxious. 04:09 rangi community source or something 04:09 rangi thats why i talk of koha as free software 04:09 rangi people like liblime and kuali pollute open source 04:09 jeff rangi: http://opensource.org/licenses/ecl2.php 04:09 Dyrcona True dat! 04:10 jeff "The Educational Community License version 2.0 ("ECL") consists of the Apache 2.0 license, modified to change the scope of the patent grant in section 3 to be specific to the needs of the education communities using this license. " 04:10 jcamins jeff: where did you find the license? 04:10 rangi jeff: thanks 04:10 jcamins Ah-ha! https://www.kuali.org/software/license 04:10 Dyrcona jeff is here! I have to stop trash talking Evergreen. 04:10 Dyrcona ;) 04:11 jeff http://www.kuali.org/download mentioned the ECL 2.0 license in the sidebar, rather close to where they say "you can't see the OLE source yet" 04:11 jcamins jeff: I was so appalled I didn't finish reading that page. 04:11 jeff Q1 2014 seems to be when they plan to release SIP *and* SIP2 support. 04:12 Dyrcona SIP and SIP2... Wow! 04:12 jcamins jeff: now if only they were planning on releasing a working system. 04:12 rangi Dyrcona and I will beat them easily then and have NCIP in production :) 04:12 jcamins I'm working on a release of Biblionarrator. 04:12 Dyrcona yeah. I need to start working on my end of NCIP. 04:12 Dyrcona jcamins: What is biblionarrator, again? 04:12 jcamins I came up with the idea of having Biblionarrator several years after they announced that Kuali OLE was going to replace the ILS. 04:13 jcamins Dyrcona: discovery layer/cataloguing system. 04:13 jeff OLE plans to have NCIP first, Q4 2013 04:13 jcamins [off] http://umich.biblionarrator.com/ 04:13 jeff doing NCIP before SIP (and saying both SIP and SIP2) seems odd. 04:13 Dyrcona Ah, right. I know you showed it to me before. 04:13 jeff but probably not the most odd thing. 04:13 jcamins It's changed a bit since then. 04:13 Dyrcona SIP3, ftw! 04:13 jeff SIP3++ 04:14 jeff utf-8 and no error detection, for one. 04:14 jeff well, two. 04:14 rangi jeff: i bet we'll still beat them 04:14 Dyrcona 3M doesn't even get their checksums right. 04:15 Dyrcona Their docs say "hexadecimal digits," but their self checks send a blank if the zero would be the first digit. 04:15 jeff mad that i didn't make an effort to get support for optional patron PINs in SIP3 04:15 jeff that would have been useful, imo. 04:15 rangi Dyrcona: did you know you can crash their self checks 04:15 rangi if you send them an invalid date 04:15 jcamins jeff: don't worry. 3M wouldn't have implemented it anyway. 04:15 Dyrcona I'm sure you could crash anything. 04:15 rangi they simply reboot 04:16 jcamins Dyrcona: ask how we know. ;) 04:16 rangi yeah but not quite that easily :) 04:16 Dyrcona You did it? 04:16 rangi yep 04:16 * jcamins didn't. 04:16 rangi 8 in one go 04:16 rangi not intentionally 04:16 * jcamins would've done it intentionally. 04:17 rangi took a while to figure out what the hell was going on, cos you dont get any warning they just reboot 04:17 rangi so we were looking at power supplies 04:17 jcamins After business hours, use it as a strobe for dance parties. 04:17 rangi heh 04:17 Dyrcona ha. 04:17 * Dyrcona should probably be in bed. 04:18 * jcamins too. 04:18 Oak leave your laptops where they are 04:18 jeff jcamins: nah, we use our access points and security gates for that. ;-) 04:19 jeff (both have multi-color network addressable LEDs) 04:19 jeff we joke about "party mode" being a line item on future RFPs 04:20 jcamins jeff: I feel like you'd have a lot of trouble keeping people from actually trying that at least once. 04:20 rangi heh 04:21 Dyrcona So, biblionarrator isn't based on Koha? 04:21 jcamins Dyrcona: nope. 04:21 Dyrcona Last time, I thought it was. 04:22 * jeff kills CGI::XMLPost in favor of CGI.pm 04:22 jcamins Nope, but my vision involves there being an interface so that you can load data from Koha easily. 04:22 jeff better the evil you know... 04:22 jcamins EG too. 04:25 Dyrcona Well, I am going to bed. 04:25 Dyrcona Guess I'll leave the laptop on and signed in. 04:25 jeff Dyrcona: nite 04:26 jcamins Good night. 04:26 wahanui It'll all be over soon... 04:27 jeff hrm. SIP3 (well, the copy I have) defines a PI field for Patron PIN, but no messages use that field. 04:27 jeff just the more traditional AD field for Patron Password 04:29 jeff could probably still implement optional patron pin/password requirement with a little cooperation between the self check and sip server, but it's be a bit of a hack. 04:30 jeff look up the user without a password, and if the pin/password isn't required, set valid patron password (CQ) Y 04:31 jeff if the pin/password is required, return CQ N and the self check knows to prompt for credentials. 04:32 jeff (this could be done with SIP2 also, I think) 04:33 jeff context: the idea is that patrons could set a patron setting that determines if they want to check out with no pin required, or use a pin. 04:34 jeff you could do it all server side right now, and for those who don't have it set to require a pin/password, accept any pin/password -- but the end-user UI is pretty lame without client support. 04:36 * jcamins drags himself off to bed, having written a truly pitiful document that is pretending to explain the less-standard features of Biblionarrator. 08:36 cait morning #koha 10:28 cait @wunder Konstanz 10:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (12:25 PM CEST on September 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 11:34 cait quiet.. 12:03 bgkriegel Hi cait :) 12:04 cait hi bgkriegel :) 12:36 cait bgkriegel: for bug 10806 - i believe you that it works - i just can't test it with my setup i think 12:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure 12:38 bgkriegel Ok :) It worked fine for me. 12:39 bgkriegel I was a little worried, I did some bad testing lately, so I recheck 12:46 cait hoping someone else from the qa team picks it up 12:46 cait there is also still time for sign offs... 12:46 cait the final deadline is 3rd for nice new shiny things 12:47 cait i am trying to get the queue down this weekend again :) maybe i will succeed this time 12:47 bgkriegel hehe 12:47 cait looking at bug 10419 next 12:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons 12:47 bgkriegel anything cool to sign? 12:47 cait but first i have to go out and buy food :) 12:47 jcamins Bug 10240! 12:47 wahanui somebody said bug 10240 was pretty cool, if I say so myself. 12:47 cait hmmm 12:47 jcamins :) 12:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB 12:48 cait yep that one is pretty cool actually 12:48 cait and bootstrap opac testing 12:48 bgkriegel yep, I have that one on my list 12:50 cait hm maybe bug 5342 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements 12:50 cait it would bring the serial claiming mor ein line with orders claiming 12:51 cait bug 9044 12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions 12:51 cait oh 12:52 cait bug 9611 12:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt 12:52 cait there is lots of good stuff in there waiting 12:52 bgkriegel :) Let's work 12:53 cait just throwing it out htere... there is really a bunch of nice things waiting :) 12:54 cait ok, running to the supermarket 12:54 cait will be back soon 13:25 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:26 mtompset Is it me, or are sign-off's addictive? You sign off one patch, and then you get told it depends on something else which still needs sign-off. I wonder when the nesting ends. :P 13:42 mtompset Is anyone here familiar with setting up a dummy user in LDAP? 14:13 mtompset Greetings, cait. 14:13 mtompset I appreciate the feedback. :) 14:15 mtompset Any idea on how to get LDAP authentication set up for Koha? 14:26 mtompset Okay, got LDAP up and running. YAY! 14:26 mtompset I can't replicate the problem. :( 14:26 bgkriegel Testing bug 10952 , as anonymous user without search history, do some searches, then pressed search history and then a big Error. Can someone confirm? 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session 14:26 bgkriegel http://paste.koha-community.org/232 14:27 mtompset YIKES. Yucky message there, bgkriegel. 14:28 bgkriegel hi mtompset 14:28 bgkriegel yep, bad. But can be my install 14:28 mtompset Greetings, bgkriegel. :) 14:28 bgkriegel Hi mtompset :) 14:29 mtompset So, just OPAC, search without being logged in, and then click search history? 14:29 bgkriegel yes 14:29 mtompset with or without patch applied? 14:29 bgkriegel without 14:30 mtompset how do you get anonymous search history? 14:30 bgkriegel on the top right... 14:30 bgkriegel if it's enabled 14:31 mtompset What sysprefs need setting? 14:32 bgkriegel I think EnableOpacSearchHistory 14:32 mtompset I have that, but no search history for anonymous. 14:33 cait anonymous just means search history when not logged in 14:34 mtompset So how do I enable search history when not logged in? 14:34 cait with the preference bgkriegel gave you activate search history in general 14:34 cait then you just log out and search 14:35 mtompset It's not acitvating. 14:36 cait I am not sure what you expect 14:36 mtompset something other than "log in" in the top right. 14:36 bgkriegel theres is nothing until you do a search 14:37 mtompset AH! Okay... there is top right. 14:38 mtompset I do not get any errors... two general searches, the top right link appears, click it, no problems, clear history, no problem. 14:38 bgkriegel perfect 14:39 bgkriegel Then I need to reinstall ! :) 14:39 mtompset Sorry for the bad news? 14:40 bgkriegel No problem, better not have another bug :) 15:26 mtompset Ah, there is the bug. Replicated! Woo hoo! 15:26 bgkriegel :) 15:37 mtompset -- this is for the 10925 bug I'm testing. 15:49 mtompset cait: Are you still around? 17:38 bgkriegel cait: around? 17:43 cait bgkriegel++ 22:50 jcamins bgkriegel++ 22:53 bgkriegel jcamins++, it's your work :) 23:21 tcohen hmmm, 9-11 23:22 bgkriegel ? :) 23:22 tcohen the kiwis win 23:22 bgkriegel ouch! I forget 23:25 tcohen too many mistakes... 23:25 bgkriegel not bad result.. for now 23:27 bgkriegel 1rst half 23:43 tcohen take that nz :P 23:43 bgkriegel hehe 23:44 tcohen it will bite me back, i'm sure about that 23:45 bgkriegel shhh 23:46 bgkriegel indeed :(