Time Nick Message 00:01 dcook morning folks 01:19 mtompset it works? 01:19 wahanui For now... 01:19 mtompset it works? 01:19 wahanui For now... 01:19 mtompset it works? 01:19 wahanui For now... 01:19 mtompset it works maybe! 01:19 mtompset it works! 01:19 wahanui For now... 01:19 mtompset bah, wahanui, you've become boring. I thought you had some randomness in there. 01:20 mtompset Greetings, dcook. :) 01:25 * dcook waves 01:42 wizzyrea it works! 01:42 wahanui You should blog about it. 01:42 wizzyrea totes. 02:38 eythian mtompset: randomness doesn't mean giving a different response, just that it might give a different response :) 02:48 jcamins Didn't expect that! 02:48 wahanui No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! 02:48 eythian http://lwn.net/Articles/568517/ <-- copying images with attribution automatically. 02:52 dcook Coool 03:36 wizzyrea that is fantastic 04:20 mtompset But aren't firefox and other browers dropping plug-in support? 05:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 05:36 cait good morning #koha 05:37 dcook hey ya cait 05:37 cait hi dcook :) 06:18 cait dcook: have you seen the hackfest page on hte wiki? 06:20 dcook Mmm, a little while ago, but not recently 06:22 cait you should write something there :) 06:22 * cait is nudging people to fill the website a bit 06:23 dcook I think I've been nudged enough for one conference :p 06:23 dcook What's the URL again? 06:23 dcook hackfest? 06:23 wahanui hackfest is, like, awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) 06:24 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 06:24 dcook Hmm 06:26 dcook I don't know if I have any ideas for tutorials or group work, but maybe some discussion 06:29 reiveune hello 06:29 wahanui hi, reiveune 06:35 dcook Idea for discussion added, cait :p 06:35 cait thx :) 06:35 cait hackfest is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Hackfest 06:35 wahanui okay, cait. 06:36 cait dcook: looks like you intend to open the can or worms 06:36 dcook Oh? 06:37 dcook It's just an idea ;) 06:42 cait yep valid one too 06:42 cait i was just thinking 06:43 cait maybe we should ask the libraries what they like least and like best about Koha and take that into the hackfest with us 06:44 Oak we should that from experienced Koha users here as well. 06:45 magnuse cait++ 06:45 * magnuse waves 06:45 * cait waves 06:45 * magnuse waves back 06:45 cait something like the most annoying bug or missing enhancement 06:47 Oak yes, find the most annoying bug that most of present here name, then on the hackfest, you guys will get the once a year chance of being physicaly present in the same room... and then you kill that bug 06:47 Oak high five 06:47 Oak never mind 06:47 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. 06:49 cait kill the bug! 06:49 cait have to run :) bbiab 06:52 dcook It's not a bad idea, Oak, although it might be tough to get everyone's opinion 06:52 dcook I imagine that's the problem with my discussion idea as well. There will never be a time when every (regular) contributor is in the same room 06:56 dcook Item-level facets :@ 06:56 * dcook waves to magnuse in a not angry way but goes back to glaring at facets 06:56 * dcook also waves to sophie_m in a non-angry way :) 06:57 sophie_m hello dcook :-) 06:57 sophie_m why should you be angry ? 06:57 * magnuse waves pacifyingly to dcook 06:58 sophie_m hi magnuse 06:59 dcook They don't work very well :/ 06:59 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 06:59 dcook For instance, if you look for Item Type A and Branch B, you'll get results for bib records that may or may not contain items that have Item Type A at Branch B 06:59 magnuse @wunder boo 06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:00 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:00 dcook Because even though branch and item type are technically item-level, they're indexed at the bib-level... 07:00 magnuse hm, is marseille stuck on 20? 07:00 dcook @wunder syd 07:00 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (5:00 PM EST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:00 magnuse dcook: ooh, that sounds like a can of fun! 07:00 * dcook wonders why magnuse and cait are both talking about cans today :p 07:00 dcook Yeah...fun times :/ 07:01 dcook Not a difficult explanation per se but not a fun one 07:02 dcook I think I might have just realized how DOM indexing might fix it though.. 07:02 dcook Or could fix it 07:02 dcook Mmm, actually, maybe not 07:02 sophie_m yep magnuse and 25° during the day 07:02 magnuse it's can day! 07:03 magnuse or cannes day, if you are in the south of france 07:03 sophie_m :-) 07:03 magnuse oh, and "can day" is short for "can do day", of course 07:05 dcook I wish I can do a fix for search :p 07:06 magnuse give all your money to jcamins? ;-) 07:07 dcook hehe 07:07 dcook money, time, and energy :p 07:07 dcook He's only one man 07:07 dcook An amazing man, but still only one 07:10 magnuse :-) 07:13 kf good morning again :) 07:13 magnuse kia ora kf 07:13 kf kia ora magnuse 07:16 kf dcook: seems you understand now? about item level facetting? 07:19 dcook Just the problem 07:19 dcook Not the solution 07:20 dcook You and Jared explained the problem a while ago though :) 07:20 kf dcook: yeah but it seems i failed to explain how dom could fix it :) 07:20 dcook I don't know how item level facetting could ever work as expected :S 07:20 dcook Ah, yes, there is that :p 07:21 dcook I assume that it would mean the introduction of more indexes? 07:21 dcook No, that wouldn't work either.. 07:22 dcook Items dissolve into the bib record when indexing 07:23 dcook The only way I can imagine this problem going away is if the items were able to keep their integrity 07:24 dcook Anyway, I should probably get going 07:25 dcook I should already be on my way to the gym! 07:25 dcook No beer o'clock for this guy... 07:25 kf sec 07:25 dcook sec? 07:27 * dcook waits? 07:28 kf I think the trick is to have an index where the different infromation is indexed together ... in one term? 07:28 dcook Hmm...now that I think about it...maybe that could work 07:28 dcook Maybe 07:29 dcook But you could still run into problems, I would think 07:29 dcook Instead of having itemtype indexes, you could just have item indexes, and then search those I guess.. 07:29 dcook But I don't know how that would work either 07:30 dcook It would probably work for single facet searches (but the current indexing does too) 07:30 kf i think it would be an additional index probably 07:30 kf well you would construct something like item:branch location as a search term 07:31 kf so it would require a bit of new logic for the facets to change the links according to what you searched before 07:31 kf it's doable, but not easy i guess 07:31 dcook Mmm, I think I getcha now 07:31 dcook so item: branch location 07:31 dcook item: branch itemtype 07:31 dcook Like that? 07:31 kf yeah 07:31 dcook Yeah, if the logic was there, I could see that working 07:31 kf maybe need to add a prefix not sure, to avoid colliosions 07:31 dcook We'd need a lot of extra indexes though 07:32 kf item: branchsomething locationsomething ... 07:32 kf hm that would only be one I think? 07:32 dcook Basically, we'd need an index for every permutation 07:32 samueld hi everybody 07:32 kf dcook: hm i don't think so 07:32 dcook Ah, I see what you mean by prefix now 07:32 dcook Hmm 07:32 kf it's like a title search 07:32 kf not phrase where the sequence would matter 07:33 dcook You mean word search? 07:33 kf guess so 07:33 dcook Ok...I get what you're saying now 07:33 kf was not sure about the correct term 07:33 dcook It might be string search 07:33 dcook I can't remember the correct term either 07:34 kf at least we understoood each other :) 07:34 dcook I know there is title:w, title:p, and title:s 07:34 dcook Can't remember the difference between w and s 07:34 magnuse just search, as opposed to "prhrase search"? 07:36 dcook Hmm, apparently Zebra does facets as well.. 07:36 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/special-retrieval.html#special-retrieval-types 07:36 dcook I think Jared mentioned that once 07:36 kf yes it does 07:36 kf i think someone said there was a problem with utf8 data there, but not sure it's still a problem 07:36 kf it's been a long while since 07:37 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/character-map-files.html 07:39 dcook Wait, that's the one I want apparently... http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html#querymodel-pqf-apt-mapping 07:39 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure 07:39 dcook But I really need to run :( 07:40 kf cya tomorrow :) 07:40 kf and have anice evening! 07:40 dcook Hope not. My saturday is tomorrow ;) 07:40 dcook thanks :) 07:40 dcook Have a good day and a good weekend! 08:20 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:20 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 09:03 kivilahtio__ does this script still exists? misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl 09:03 kivilahtio__ I would like to migrate holdings to Koha directly to the items table 09:15 kf kivilahtio__: not sure, we have never used it 09:15 kf but it shoudl not be necessary i think 09:15 kf you fill the items table directly, then you do a full reindex 09:15 sophie_m kivilahtio__: this script was used to synchronised marc in biblioitems with items data. As biblioitems doesn't contains items info anymore, it is deprecated 09:15 kf in ealrier times item information was also held in the marcxml and marc fields in the database, so that needed to be synched 09:15 kf what sophie_m says :) 09:15 kivilahtio__ ok 09:16 kivilahtio__ so I just run the reindexZebra.pl? 09:16 kf important is the full reindex 09:16 kivilahtio__ rebuild_zebra.pl 09:16 kf after you have changed the item data yes 09:16 kivilahtio__ rok on! 09:17 kivilahtio__ thanks! 09:17 kivilahtio__ I can get into migrating our data 09:17 kivilahtio__ I hope I can do it during the weekend. We are having a Evergreen vs Koha final meeting next monday 09:18 kivilahtio__ just extended the UseBranchTransferLimits to limit holds as well. Took me 4h! Yay! That was one thing that COULD NEVER be done with Koha :D 09:18 kf ah 09:18 kf hope your meeting goes well 09:19 kivilahtio__ kf: However it goes, I am sure it will turn out ok for me, atleast ;) 10:04 magnuse kivilahtio__: hope you make the right decision, then :-) 10:26 kivilahtio__ magnuse: thanks magnuse for caring! 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:24 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:31 kf hi oleonard :) 12:54 druthb kf! 12:54 magnuse druthb! 12:54 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 12:54 kf druthb! 12:54 magnuse kf! 13:08 tcohen morning #koha 13:09 ebegin Hi there ! I remember having seen a list of domain name vs company name in order to get the company credited for a commit. Anybody can point me where this is ? 13:12 magnuse ebegin: this? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=.mailmap;hb=HEAD 13:13 jcamins I don't recall seeing anything like that in Koha. 13:14 magnuse i think maybe rangi has one that he uses when he runs the statistics? 13:14 jcamins I used this as RM: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=gitdm/domain-map;h=79318c7b1bd64033f743f4fa9b2ad54286f7e831;hb=HEAD 13:14 jcamins But I think rangi has his own. 13:14 ebegin jcamins, that's it ! 13:15 ebegin Thanks ! We will add inLibro since we are planning to do much more check ins 13:16 ebegin jcamins,++ 13:16 ebegin jcamins++ 13:17 ebegin magnuse was close though, and I think we will add entries in there too 13:17 jcamins ebegin: you only need to add to the mailmap if you don't set your git environments up consistently. 13:20 ebegin jcamins, does git have a kind of 'Organization' setting ? 13:22 kf jcamins: i think there is a mailmap file somewhere in koha... but not sure 13:22 jcamins ebegin: no. 13:22 jcamins kf: yeah, magnuse provided a link earlier. 13:22 kf oh right...s crolling sown 13:22 kf down 13:22 kf sorry :) 13:22 tcohen .mailmap 13:23 blou Holà #koha 13:23 kf hi blou 13:23 blou Question about installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 13:24 tcohen ebegin: put a file ~/.gitmessage.txt 13:24 tcohen with a single line: Sponsored-by: inLibro 13:24 blou How do we modify this for a patch? It doesn't seem right hardcode a db version in it (ex: 3.13.00.023) 13:25 kf tcohen: i think inLibro is the company, so maybe better doing it with the mailmap 13:25 kf blou: you create a new entry 13:25 kf and set the version there to 3.13.00.XXX 13:25 tcohen database updates? 13:25 kf the RM will add the number when it goes in 13:25 ebegin tcohen, cool trick ! 13:26 magnuse blou: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Database_updates 13:26 tcohen wahanui: database updates is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Database_updates 13:26 wahanui OK, tcohen. 13:26 blou kf: ha! Excellent! Thanks a lot! 13:26 blou magnuse: thanks!! 13:27 magnuse my pleasure! 13:27 blou i need to learn to abuse those little bots 13:27 tcohen kf: as UNC's employee should i stop pasting patches with "Sponsored-by" line then? 13:28 kf tcohen: hm no I don'tthink so., because you are working for a library and doing features for it... 13:28 jcamins Sponsored-by and the gitdm file are two different things. 13:28 magnuse hm, the database updates page says "Now that bug 7167 has been pushed..." wasn't that pulled out again? 13:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , updatedatabase improvements 13:28 kf tcohen: so employer and library are the same :) 13:29 jcamins inLibro is probably not sponsoring many of its developments. 13:29 tcohen yeah, but it seems that because of the sponsored-by line UNC always appears in a weird place 13:29 tcohen on the release notes 13:29 kf maybe addtionally add to the mailmap? 13:29 kf i think the spnsored by shows up as sponsoring institutions and libraries or something like that 13:30 ebegin jcamins, we sponsored a lot of them actually :-) 13:30 jcamins The Sponsored-by and mailmap show in different places. 13:30 kf ebegin: I think mailmap would be the first thing to change - so you go in the stats with a good name -.the sponsored by just adds to a list in the rlease notes :) 13:30 tcohen kf: i think i'll check the get-bugs script 13:30 jcamins ebegin: in that case, for some you could have both sponsored-by and non-sponsored by. 13:31 kf get-bugs? 13:31 kf sorry, it's friday, i am consued 13:31 kf easy to confuse and can't type apparently 13:31 tcohen kf: the script that generates the release notes, sorry 13:31 jcamins Though my feeling is that it doesn't make sense for vendors to use Sponsored-by, even if they did sponsor the development. 13:31 jcamins It misses the point of that enhancement to the release notes, which was to highlight *users* that were sponsoring development. 13:32 kf jcamins: same feeling here somehow... but I don't think we have written it down somewhere. I think the initial idea of the sponsored-by was to have way to mention the libraries spnsoring? 13:32 tcohen Lyon and Rennes always appear as companies for example 13:32 ebegin jcamins, I see. In case where the dev is not sponsored, we wont put Sponsored-by 13:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:32 magnuse but Lyon and Rennes do their own development? or not? 13:32 magnuse hiya mtompset 13:33 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. :) 13:33 kf tcohen: hm i think they have been sending patches and are also biblibre customers, so might have sponsored something 13:33 mtompset Greetings, kf. :) 13:33 jcamins kf: yeah, I added Sponsored-by for that reason. 13:34 jcamins And as the end users, I have no problem with Lyons and Rennes listed in sponsored-by. 13:34 ebegin tcohen, the .gitmessage.txt is a template and is can be edited at commit time, right ? 13:34 kf ah end users 13:34 kf that's good 13:34 kf to differentiate 13:34 tcohen ebegin: exactly 13:35 tcohen jcamins: how should i list UNC in the release notes ? 13:35 kf i think you are really both 13:35 kf end user and developer 13:36 tcohen we have "companies" and "libraries" (users) 13:36 tcohen oh, and "individuals" 13:37 jcamins tcohen: UNC should be listed in both companies and libraries. 13:37 tcohen not that i care too much about this, just clarifying 13:37 jcamins Though companies should maybe renamed "organizations." 13:37 tcohen +1 13:37 kf the qotd feature seems a bit fragile 13:38 kf jcamins: true 13:39 kf grr. 13:39 kf i have no idea why it doesn't show! 13:39 kf [off] https://hshl.bsz-bw.de/ 13:42 magnuse kf: simple questions first: did you enable the feature? 13:43 jeff HP apparently region-locks their inkjet printer cartridges. 13:43 jeff that just seems... wow. 13:43 kf magnuse: yup 13:44 jeff didn't actually mean to go into that here, but now that i think about it #koha seems almost an appropriate place. 13:44 * jcamins heads into the city. 13:46 kf magnuse: and i turned it on and off again to make sure 13:46 magnuse kf: no clue then, i'm afraid 13:46 kf hmpf 13:46 kf but thx ;) 13:46 kf oh 13:46 kf could someone do me a tiny favour and check if it shows on master? 13:46 kf we recently updated this instllation to the latest 3.12.x 13:48 kf when there was only 1 quote it worked 13:48 kf now the library added more and they look perfect and it stopped showing 13:54 magnuse kf: alas, no time for testing, but if you want to test on http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ you can log in as demo/demo 13:54 kf i thik i will postpone it to monday 13:58 kivilahtio__ phew got the Bibs and Items in DB 13:59 kivilahtio__ not production ready but still. gg 13:59 kivilahtio__ just wanted to tell someone ! :) 14:00 magnuse kivilahtio__: yay! 14:14 * magnuse calls it a week - happy pizza day #koha! 14:14 kivilahtio__ happy weekend magnuse! 14:16 tcohen pizza for magnuse! 14:16 magnuse w00t! 14:18 kivilahtio__ have you thought about rewriting Koha with a real object oriented language? Like Java? Which actually forces many good design practices? 14:19 kivilahtio__ I'm sure you have but just asking if someone has a opinion 14:20 kivilahtio__ Not looking for a friday night firefight regarding the issue tho ;) 14:28 kf kivilahtio__: i think you can write bad code in any language 14:28 mtompset Thanks for the correction, kf. :) 14:29 kf i think most people would have known waht you meant, but since blou is new, i wanted to save him headache :) 14:37 kivilahtio__ kf: so true :) Just noticed some polymorphism in C4::Circulation::AddIssue and was wondering how easily these could be maintained using object inheritance. 14:43 mtompset Are you referring to the type checking for the date, kivilahtio__? 14:43 kivilahtio__ mtompset: =item C<$borrower> is a hash with borrower informations (from GetMember or GetMemberDetails). 14:44 kivilahtio__ mtompset: could this maybe be resolved usig a PAtron-object? 14:45 kivilahtio__ mtompset: not complaining, I feel things are pretty straightforward here, but I think there would be benefit in defining object for databse types. 14:46 mtompset Perhaps it is a matter of having some base data, and any thing extra is irrelevant. In which case doing the object thing is pointless. 14:47 mtompset if there was different processing based on different information content, then perhaps going the object route would make sense. 14:48 mtompset Haven't looked, so I can't properly comment. :) 14:48 kivilahtio__ mtompset: prolly, I am not a Koha specialist 15:03 jcamins kivilahtio__: people suggest rewriting Koha in a different language about once every two months. 15:04 jcamins Maybe three. 15:06 rambutan I think Koha should be rewritten in Ada. 15:06 rambutan There, now we're good for two or three months. 15:06 reiveune byec 15:07 rambutan But just a few minutes ago I was checking to see the state of Prolog on Linux, so that's on my mind for next quarter. 15:14 gmcharlt oleonard: could you look at my last comment on bug 10836? 15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC 15:29 blou kf, mtompset, oleaonard: When modifying kohastructure.sql, do I need to do the Pg version as well? (Bug 8753?) 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , Add forgot password link to OPAC 15:30 blou Yeah! 15:30 mtompset blou: Considering the Pg version is newer, I don't know. 15:30 mtompset Good question though. :) 15:30 jcamins Not at present. And the Pg version is much older. 15:31 blou well, file is bigger :) 15:31 mtompset okay, guess I never noticed it before then. :P 15:31 jcamins Also, that patch should not require a change to kohastructure.sql. Just sysprefs.sql. 15:34 blou I did not code the change, I'm the commiter :) But it uses a new table to store the unique id sent to the user in email, for future validation 15:36 jcamins blou: ah, then yes, kohastructure change. 15:36 blou I'll add more comments on that in the commit/patch. 15:36 jcamins There was a different bug that just added a syspref. 15:37 blou I'm running 3 in parallels, to confuse reviewers, but mostly just to confuse myself 15:38 jcamins Hehe. Looks like you're succeeding. 15:42 blou got to be good at something 15:48 oleonard Yes, gmcharlt. Sorry, I was afk. 15:48 gmcharlt oleonard: I've since started working on a follow-up patch -- I'll want extra eyes on it, so will be attaching it soon 15:48 * oleonard just walked an MLS student through the process of installing Koha 15:48 gmcharlt oleonard++ 15:54 sophie_m I can't find v3.10.08 release notes on koha-community.org 15:55 sophie_m Someone ot help me ? 16:00 gmcharlt oleonard: I've attached my follow-up 16:00 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt, I'll test it today 16:03 oleonard It's strange sophie_m, I can find the announcements for 3.10.7 and 3.10.9 but not 3.10.8 16:03 gmcharlt sophie_m: it looks like they weren't posted to the website. However, you can find a copy here - http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_10_8.txt;h=bae0d81ca8e27cc325ad782f1ea0d8569a0be522;hb=refs/heads/3.10.x 16:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #123 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d75243e27cab93cd84ee6bbfd71362326569c21> 16:37 oleonard gmcharlt: If you don't mind I'm going to throw a couple of really minor display-related markup changes in with my signoff 16:37 gmcharlt oleonard: fine with me 16:45 oleonard So the good news is I figured out why collection codes were showing up in my item type search facets. The bad news is we have 84,000 MARC records with the bad data that causes the problem 16:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9c77aaf3acbcf1a2d2d4e492673fe2739685b5d> / Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74553d7fef8ebd6059915478bf978596f620a975> 16:57 khall Just an FYI, if your Koha database has biblios where the biblionumber doesn't equal the biblioitemnumber, DO NOT run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl, or you'll end up with deleted biblioitem rows! http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10961 16:57 huginn 04Bug 10961: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Error in GetMarcBiblio can cause severe data loss 17:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e3f8e0838584a89f3fbdce8e956880de8556d7a> / Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eec049492fe52d546f3fdef96e3257aee3292464> / Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw 17:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #123: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/123/ 17:14 jenkins_koha Srdjan: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on 17:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail 17:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #124 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:21 sophie_m gmcharlt: thanks but I wanted to give the link to a librarian 17:22 sophie_m thanks gmcharlt and oleonard 17:22 gmcharlt well, the text is the same 17:24 gmcharlt khall: I've added comments to 10961; upshot, I think another part of the solution is removing batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl 17:27 khall gmcharlt: you are correct in your points made, but won't touch_all_biblios.pl suffer from this same bug, since the bug is in GetMarcBiblio which touch_all_biblios also uses? 17:28 gmcharlt khall: no, because ModBiblio() does the Right Thing and looks up the biblioitemnumber directly 17:29 khall Ah, I see. Thanks! 17:29 gmcharlt IOW, it doesn't go by whatever is embedded in the MARC record 17:57 cait hm hail storm? 17:57 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:57 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3°C (7:55 PM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 17:58 cait not quite right huginn 17:58 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #124: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/124/ 17:58 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC 17:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form 17:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page 17:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable 17:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC 17:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink' 17:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10901 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Filters is needed on the add item page 18:02 gmcharlt oops 18:02 * gmcharlt just gave his test VM a case of indigestion by reproducing the load issue eythian wrote about yesterday 18:03 jcamins Well done! 18:03 jcamins What causes it? 18:04 gmcharlt not sure yet if it matches his situation precisely -- need to wait for the VM to calm down -- but if you enter a patron search and never release the enter key, madness ensues 18:04 jcamins There was a patch for that. 18:05 jcamins Let me see if I can find it. 18:06 jcamins Oh, no, it was _saving_ patrons that it was fixed for. 18:10 oleonard I can't believe our copy of The best book of MS-DOS 5 is still checked out 18:10 cait lol 18:11 jcamins oleonard: great book! 18:23 tcohen LOL 18:36 mtompset Hey, there are some still useful tips, I'm sure for those who want to go old school on the command line. 18:38 cait did someone rewrite Koha in Java while i slept? :) 18:39 jeff cait: the magic of timezones! 18:39 jcamins cait: we were going to, until someone decided to use .bat files instead. 18:39 cait :) 18:40 tcohen http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha/ 18:42 mtompset Oh my evilness! 18:44 cait the last update worries me some :) 18:45 cait ah but not really code there 18:46 mtompset http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jkoha/ 18:46 mtompset There is code. 18:46 mtompset But you have to hunt for it. 18:47 mtompset What would cause javascript to fail? 18:47 cait mtompset: well i only see initial commits 18:47 tcohen its just a bunch of stub classes 18:47 cait from what looks like general configuration stuff 18:48 jcamins Syntax error, incorrect logic, missing dependencies, lack of execution... any number of things. 18:48 cait jcamins: ? 18:48 mtompset okay... this upload plug in I'm testing for bug 6874... 18:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 18:48 jcamins cait: reasons why JS fails. 18:48 mtompset there it pops up the window and you select a file to upload... it uploads... and changes the 856$u to a URL. 18:49 mtompset great for when you do it right. 18:49 mtompset Now... you click the plugin icon again... and it asks about deleting the one you just uploaded. 18:49 mtompset no problem there... 18:49 mtompset But if you tell it to delete it... the 856$u URL isn't cleared. 18:49 mtompset but the code is the same as the code that filled in the URL in the first place. 18:50 cait jcamins: ah. :) 18:50 tcohen upload a patron image, press Esc in the middle of the process, upload a patron image 18:50 jcamins Sounds like it failed QA. 18:50 cait agreed 18:51 mtompset tcohen: Does that do a similarly bizarre thing too? 18:51 tcohen not sure, but bizarre 18:52 jcamins tcohen: are you using FF? 18:55 mtompset AH! Found the error. 18:56 tcohen jcamins: sorry, made a silly mistake: it was on frameworks import not patron images 18:57 jcamins tcohen: FF has an interesting feature... hitting the escape key cancels all outstanding network connections. 18:59 tcohen interesting jcamins 19:01 mtompset Silly [% themelang %] vs. [% interface %] problem in the template files. 19:04 mtompset Interesting, Fartkontroll means Speed Trap in Swedish. 19:04 tcohen http://kiriakakis.net/comics/mused/a-day-at-the-park 19:17 tcohen jcamins: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614304 19:17 huginn 04Bug 614304: was not found. 19:17 tcohen we will eventually reach that number huginn 19:19 tcohen on chrome it never recovers / acknowledges upload finished 19:21 tcohen ok, have a nice weekend #koha 19:33 cait hm seems everyone is leaving 19:36 Dyrcona seams everyone is splitting.... 19:36 cait hm that does sound painful 19:37 cait ah glad to see that ldap patch finally going in 19:38 * oleonard is cruelly forced to work on non-Koha activities 19:39 cait eek 19:39 cait for how much longer? 19:39 oleonard Possibly hours!! 19:40 cait oh god 19:40 * cait sends cookies 19:40 cait how bad is it? drupal? 19:40 oleonard Not that bad ;) 19:40 cait :) 19:40 * jcamins shudders. 19:42 oleonard This would make you shudder jcamins, it's my home-grown staff intranet written in years of spaghetti PHP code 19:42 pianohacker php-- 19:42 oleonard php++ 19:42 oleonard :P 19:42 * jcamins shudders again. 19:42 pianohacker xquery++ 19:42 cait koha++ 19:42 pianohacker xslt-- 19:42 pianohacker koha++ 19:42 cait pianohacker: still waiting for a rebase from you ! 19:43 cait as you have made the mistake to show up :) 19:43 pianohacker Have I been under a rock, though? I never knew that xquery existed, it's like xslt but with a good syntax 19:43 pianohacker cait: on bug 10486 or bug 8133? 19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed 19:43 jcamins pianohacker: I've only seen xquery used in one project. 19:44 pianohacker Fair enough. I might start looking at advocating a Koha switch to it (with my volunteered time to move the existing stylesheets) 19:44 cait the first one more than the latter 19:44 jcamins Not that I remember where I saw it. 19:45 pianohacker cait: gotcha. I've been delaying integrating the five quadrillion changes made to 10320 into 10486, but it will happen soonish :) 19:45 cait there is a deadline quite soon.. 19:45 cait but 10320 19:45 cait bug 10320 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search 19:45 cait ah 19:46 pianohacker 10486 used some of the same code, due to foolish optimism on my part 19:46 jcamins I had looked at using XQuery for Biblionarrator, but ultimately concluded that I couldn't see much of a benefit to it. 19:47 pianohacker It's equivalent functionally, in truth. Just, again, much nicer syntax imo 19:47 jcamins Oh, definitely much nicer than XSLT, which I ruled out as well. 19:48 pianohacker ah, okay. What did you end up using (and for what part of biblionarrator, actually?) 19:48 jcamins Record display. 19:48 jcamins Handlebars, primarily. 19:48 jcamins Well, for non-self-describing formats, anyway. 19:48 pianohacker right 19:48 jcamins For self-describing formats, it's just a matter of walking the record and printing everything out as HTML. 19:51 jcamins [off] Super-simple MARC21 template: https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/blob/master/src/node_modules/bn-schema-isbd/templates/marc21.handlebars and record rendered with it: http://umich.biblionarrator.com/record/5475192 19:53 pianohacker [off] jcamins: I'm guessing #field runs its contents for every matching field? interesting 19:54 jcamins Yeah, https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/blob/master/src/lib/environment/renderer.js#L23 19:56 oleonard Is there anyone out there who is making even halfway-decent arguments that RDA is a good thing? 19:56 jcamins oleonard: no. 19:57 jcamins Well, not arguments that get anywhere near convincing me. 19:57 oleonard Seems like it would be easier if I could just drink the RDA kool-aid and get it over with. 19:58 oleonard "Just lie back and think of FRBR" 19:58 jcamins lol 19:59 jcamins You'd think that the RDA kool-aid would at least be sweetened. 19:59 jcamins But no. Unsweetened kool-aid. 20:00 oleonard It's particularly galling that the RDA Toolkit costs hundreds of dollars a year to access 20:00 jcamins Yeah. "We're all about inclusiveness and open access... NOW PAY US LOTS OF MONEY!" 20:04 oleonard Lucky for us the overarching rule of RDA seems to be, "You know, do, like, whatever you want." 20:05 jcamins I need to get little bags of M&Ms to A) make M&M cookies and B) give to trick-or-treaters. 20:05 oleonard At the end of September? Both will be gone by the time the trick-or-treaters arrive 20:06 jcamins The M&M cookies are for next week. 20:06 jcamins You may have a point on the M&Ms saved for trick-or-treaters. 20:07 cait mmh M&Ms 20:08 * cait wants chocolate 20:12 * cait switches to qa 20:13 * oleonard switches to weekend 20:13 oleonard Bye #koha 20:13 cait bye oleonard :) 20:13 cait have a nice one 20:15 cait blou++ 20:52 cait @later tell eythian could you maybe take a look at bug 10733? 20:52 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:57 cait fredericd++ 20:57 cait fixing the annoyingly broken translated list email :) 21:25 cait gmcharlt: around? 21:26 gmcharlt cait: yes 21:26 cait I have a question about bug 10956 21:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 21:26 cait hm wrong 21:26 cait bug 10949 21:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip 21:26 cait it seems i can't reproduce the problem on master 21:26 gmcharlt the slip prints fine for you? 21:26 cait yes 21:27 cait hm it was an item level hold 21:27 cait should it make a difference? 21:27 * cait tries title level 21:28 cait no difference, my template is ugly, but there is a reserve slip 21:29 gmcharlt cait: it could /appear/ to work if the borrowernumber of the patron in question is the same as the reserve_id of a row in the reserves table 21:29 cait interesting 21:29 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:29 gmcharlt is it the _right_ hold request? :) 21:29 cait let me see 21:29 cait and it is not 21:29 cait :) 21:29 cait tricky! 21:29 gmcharlt indeed 21:29 cait will leave a note to that in my testing notes 21:29 cait thx! 21:29 gmcharlt great! 21:29 gmcharlt and thank you! 21:30 * gmcharlt is just glad that your test patron and test hold didn't happen to have the same ID number ;) 21:31 cait :) 21:31 cait yes, but we would still have figured it out eventually 21:34 cait gmcharlt: you pass QA :) 21:34 cait well your patch does :) 21:34 gmcharlt eek -- I'm not sure I could bear if I personally failed QA! ;) 21:35 cait I think you are not in danger to :) 21:52 cait good night #koha :)