Time  Nick         Message
23:11 wahanui      But now the Universe has disappeared
23:11 cait         it works!
23:06 wizzyrea     !
23:05 * trea       claps excitedly for wahanui
23:04 wahanui      But now the Universe has disappeared
23:04 trea         it works!
22:37 jcamins      I guess I should be using that too.
22:37 wizzyrea     well I suppose, technically when I'm at work, I am always rolling on the floor by way of a swiss ball.
22:36 wizzyrea     ^^ this
22:36 eythian      In wizzyrea's case, it should be FOSBL (Falling Off Swiss Ball Laughing)
22:36 wizzyrea     rofl.
22:35 wahanui      You should blog about it.
22:35 rambutan     it works?
22:35 wahanui      But now the Universe has disappeared
22:35 rambutan     it works?
22:29 wahanui      okay, gmcharlt.
22:29 gmcharlt     wahanui: it works is also <reply>But now the Universe has disappeared
22:29 wahanui      eythian: it works =is= <reply>But it also eats babies.|<reply>However, now everything else is broken.|<reply>For now...|<reply>You should blog about it.
22:29 eythian      wahanui: literal it works
22:28 wahanui      okay, eythian.
22:28 eythian      wahanui: it works is also <reply>You should blog about it.
22:28 wahanui      okay, eythian.
22:28 eythian      wahanui: it works is also <reply>For now...
22:28 wahanui      okay, eythian.
22:28 eythian      wahanui: it works is also <reply>However, now everything else is broken.
22:28 cait         lol
22:28 wahanui      OK, eythian.
22:28 eythian      wahanui: it works is <reply>But it also eats babies.
22:27 eythian      hi
21:40 cait         gmcharlt: hm I think we can agree on that :)
21:33 wizzyrea     broader_solutions++
21:30 gmcharlt     yeah, it runs into the question of wishing that all of the effort on tackling individual aspects of the same problem were concentrated into a buidling a broader solution
21:29 cait         ok, now really gone for a bit - i haven't even had dinner tonight yet
21:29 cait         i was all against changing the name of the cart by syspref some time ago
21:29 cait         just saying that bit proposed here is one we evenallowed to customize in our horizon opacs
21:28 cait         nope :)
21:24 gmcharlt     not that anybody would seriously propose that of course
21:24 gmcharlt     yeah, I can see that -- but where would it end?  that argument would justify making a syspref of just about every distinct bit of text that a library might wish to customize
21:22 cait         not perfect... but a little better
21:22 cait         so with a pref i can at least show the german message always - and toggle the english one using jquery
21:21 cait         the message would never be visible in that case - or very hard to spot
21:21 cait         gmcharlt: another thought maybe why i am not so happy with jquery - many of my coworkers are using plugins turning off any javascript they don't explicitly allow on websites
21:17 cait         hm it's late, i should finish this - brb
21:17 cait         well about translation problems i think
21:17 cait         hope druthb_away  listens in ... I think she gives a presentation about that at kohacon ;)
21:16 gmcharlt     yeah
21:16 cait         things like that
21:16 cait         a way to specify your standard language for fallbacks, and a way to store translations for strings noting which language they are
21:15 cait         but yes, something like that
21:15 cait         which is a pity
21:15 cait         hm i haven't had time yet to take a look at his work for the sample installer files
21:14 gmcharlt     so that you could say, here's my library name in en-NZ, and in de-DE, and in fr-FR, etc.
21:14 gmcharlt     a mechanism for storing, in the database, translations for strings that are also stored in the database
21:13 cait         hm?
21:13 gmcharlt     yeah, one of the things marcelr has been poking at would help solve that problem
21:13 cait         everything that is visible in the opac owuld be nice to have
21:13 cait         itemtype descriptions, authorised value descriptions...
21:12 cait         there are lots of things that don't translate into multiple languages sadly
21:12 cait         gmcharlt: either that or take it out into a tool
21:12 gmcharlt     though that would be an ability well worth teaching the syspref sytem
21:11 gmcharlt     cait: point being that a syspref doesn't currently have any way to specify multiple translations of its value
21:09 cait         but i am not sure i get the point hm.
21:08 cait         and I maintain my own po files for the manuscript library we  have
21:07 mtompset     But for libraries with a single language interface, a syspref works just fine.
21:07 cait         gmcharlt: we always offer english and gemran, but we have one with 4 languages active
21:07 mtompset     True, a syspref would not solve that problem.
21:06 gmcharlt     that's one thing informing my POV on this
21:06 * gmcharlt   has a customer who has but a single library, but 5-6 translation active
21:06 mtompset     Well, the bug still needs a couple tweaks (as I pointed out in my comment).
21:06 cait         i even pondered doing that syspref :)
21:05 cait         i actually wanted that to be customizable for a longer time now :)
21:05 cait         especially the login message is a good example - because every library has different default passwords and instructions how to type in the numbers printed on the student id card or whatever
21:05 cait         and doing that for every and each po file for every library you changed something like a login message...
21:04 cait         fixing all the typos one missed
21:04 cait         it already often is
21:04 cait         i can only imagine it a nightmare
21:04 cait         and there is lots of translation work to do, yes
21:04 gmcharlt     hence the possiblity of it taking care of translations -- but I do recognize that there would be operational difficulties every time one upgraded
21:04 cait         and when you run and maintain lots of very different libraries...
21:03 cait         you have to run jobs on the server
21:03 mtompset     YAY! Another person who understands differences of opinion does not preclude civility and friendship. :)
21:03 cait         i think it's not well suited for that
21:03 gmcharlt     from my POV, the translation system can be viewed as a general-purpose string repliacement tool
21:03 cait         I am not sure i like it :)
21:03 gmcharlt     cait: we *are* allowed to have differences of opinion :)
21:02 * cait       is not sure how she ended up argueing wth gmcharlt
21:02 cait         misuse pos
21:02 mtompset     misuse jquery's for customizing?
21:02 cait         translations are translations, but if you want it to say differently for every library i thik customizable areas that a library can edit easily are better
21:00 cait         but i think it's not right to misuse it for customizing
21:00 gmcharlt     and, for the matter, easier to use as an alternative mechanism for customiizing strings
21:00 cait         it's actually not that bad :)
21:00 * gmcharlt   is not disputing that there are pleny of ways that the translation system could be improved and made more usable
21:00 gmcharlt     a new syspref by itself doesn't help any of that
20:59 cait         maybe i misunderstand tho. hm.
20:59 cait         for the login message you'd need one for each library
20:59 mtompset     Sorry... didn't mean to bring up the whole translation mess.
20:59 cait         not sure how doable that is
20:59 cait         having a differnet english one could make you run into some of the problems we have because you can't really define a standard language and browser detection and all that
20:58 cait         and another for every language you want to have
20:58 cait         a special english one
20:58 cait         but yo uwould have to do 2
20:58 cait         well in my experience that is, there is a place for htem
20:57 cait         and they are a PITA to maintain
20:57 cait         gmcharlt: custom po files won#t work for english easily
20:57 gmcharlt     use the translation system + custom PO files to manage tweaks
20:57 gmcharlt     well, there is an alternative mechanism already in place for that
20:56 cait         but in terms of accessibility and such i like not depending on jquery where i can avoid it
20:56 gmcharlt     I agree with that
20:56 cait         i think all the html prefs should go into a different tool ultimately
20:56 * gmcharlt   is not a member of the syspref all the things club -- I really do think that we have a responsibility to not over-proliferate them
20:55 cait         and javascript is still pretty limited and might cause problems
20:55 gmcharlt     cait: and add yet another syspref when the existing ones can suffice
20:55 cait         seems not fair to require them to write a new translatable system i guess
20:55 mtompset     aern't.
20:55 cait         gmcharlt: hm not sure here - i like the way that is done- they keep the old message in the templates and only overwrite it
20:55 mtompset     true. sysprefs are dynamic like jquery.
20:55 jcamins      The jQuery is more translatable, if that's your question.
20:54 gmcharlt     better the jQuery than a new, limited-purpose syspref
20:54 cait         mtompset: i think i am confused.
20:54 mtompset     I know. gmcharlt was suggesting jquery would be better for that scenario.
20:54 cait         system preferences are lmited, something like the news system would be better suited for our various customizable areas
20:53 cait         but i use javascript to have multiple languages now, would love for a better solution
20:53 cait         hm but that's not done using javascript
20:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences
20:52 mtompset     I'm thinking about bug 10951 that the new guy posted about.
20:52 mtompset     not trying to do anything.
20:52 cait         mtompset: what are yo utrying to do?
20:51 jcamins      Yeah.
20:51 mtompset     So it is possible to write the jquery to detect the language and generate output accordingly?
20:51 gmcharlt     depends on one's jQuery
20:51 jcamins      mtompset: not with a single line.
20:50 mtompset     That doesn't translate, does it?
20:50 mtompset     gmcharlt: I have a question about the idea of using jquery to re-write text.
20:50 magnuse      see ya mtompset
20:49 mtompset     Bye, magnuse? :)
20:49 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
20:49 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
20:35 jcamins      tcohen also.
20:35 cait         oleonard mostly :)
20:35 jcamins      gmcharlt: not so many.
20:34 * gmcharlt   wonders how many folks use the patches list nowadays
20:27 wizzyrea     (yes, I know, I'm working on it
20:27 wizzyrea     sup
20:27 wizzyrea     hi
20:27 huginn       rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 21 minutes and 2 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yep definitely
20:27 rambutan     @seen wizzyrea
20:07 cait         ebegin: yep - that's nice!
20:06 wizzyrea     yep definitely
20:05 ebegin       We are commiting the "I forget my password" features. I'm sure a lot of libraries are waiting for this ;)
20:05 wizzyrea     oleonard: looking at it now
20:04 wizzyrea     mmm that would be yummy
20:04 * jcamins    contemplates sweet potato pie.
20:04 wizzyrea     :)
20:04 oleonard     I've been slack this week, left early every day until today
20:03 oleonard     Hi wizzyrea
20:03 ebegin       Sorry for the spam on the bugs mailing list. We are experimenting the commit process for our development.
20:03 wizzyrea     this is amazing
20:03 * wizzyrea   made it in before oleonard left
19:34 oleonard     Thanks jcamins
19:31 jcamins      SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="942"]/subfield[@code="c"]') IN (SELECT itemtype FROM itemtypes);
19:29 * oleonard   is all eyeballs
19:26 jcamins      What I meant was, do it when the library's not too busy.
19:26 jcamins      Actually, that's not true. It's easy.
19:25 jcamins      oleonard: yeah, but not easily.
19:25 oleonard     Can I use mysql to search for records with an invalid value in 942c?
19:19 druthb       oleonard:  nope.  flyin' in.
19:16 cait         but at least i am prepared for that!
19:16 cait         oleonard: i hope to get there without a day of delay this time
19:13 oleonard     druthb: You still planning to drive?
19:13 huginn       oleonard: The operation succeeded.
19:13 oleonard     @later tell wizzyrea Something is going wrong with the responsive demo
19:12 wahanui      curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/
19:12 jcamins      curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
19:11 oleonard     rangi paul_p and cait are going to be like Reno natives by the time the rest of us arrive
19:10 oleonard     A whole day of kohacon without you
19:10 druthb       also, flying in the US is so unlike the rest of the known universe...
19:10 oleonard     Poor druthb (and jcamins!), getting there so late
19:10 druthb       yah.
19:09 oleonard     For Reno?
19:09 druthb       :P
19:08 cait         druthb++
19:08 * cait       is torturing druthb with her travel preparations
19:08 cait         heh
19:07 oleonard     Sure, he says that. But then just 12 hours later he's back as if he didn't trust us to make it 24 hours.
19:03 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
18:55 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.8°C (8:55 PM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:55 cait         @wunder Konstanz
18:55 * oleonard   doesn't like the job description in that case
18:55 huginn       rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours and 36 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I think I could happily argue about this with you all day
18:55 rambutan     @seen wizzyrea
18:54 rambutan     oleonard: ah, no, but she's very supportive of open source in general and Koha and IT (me)
18:54 cait         too bad :)
18:54 cait         that oculd be difficult then
18:54 rambutan     cait; well, I think you'd need to show up here once a week or so
18:54 oleonard     [off] rambutan, does your director usually just hack on Koha all day?
18:53 rambutan     yea, I intend to do that
18:53 cait         [off] guess teleworking from germany wouldn't be an option? :)
18:53 mtompset     [off] Not I, but perhaps sending a job description to the Koha mailing list might interest others?
18:52 rambutan     [off]sorry for off topic, but our library is looking for a new director. Any nice people interested?
18:47 mtompset     Oooo... cookie ideas... let me see.. I should send you a page suggestion on facebook.
18:46 mtompset     Junky data is good. It means it isn't your fault, unless you do the cataloguing. :)
18:45 jcamins      What kind of cookies should I make?
18:45 jcamins      Cookies. Yum.
18:45 * cait       hands oleonard cookies
18:45 jcamins      Being a library carries some risk of cruft.
18:44 oleonard     Being a pioneer of Koha adoption carries some risk of cruft I think
18:44 oleonard     So, hooray. We have junky data. What else is new I guess.
18:39 mtompset     I was noticing a warning in the error logs related to ccodes last night.
18:39 mtompset     ccodes? Did someone say ccodes?
18:38 cait         the issues note :)
18:37 cait         ah i see
18:37 cait         where is your problem description?
18:37 cait         mtompset: yes
18:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
18:36 mtompset     cait: Is that last comment friendlier testing steps on bug 6874?
18:36 cait         oh
18:36 oleonard     I'm finding collection codes in 942a
18:34 oleonard     I think I found it
18:34 cait         it looks at the zebra data i think
18:34 cait         oleonard: full reindex?
18:34 cait         hm
18:28 oleonard     I've queried the database for items with invalid itemtypes/ccodes and come up empty.
18:27 cait         oleonard: check the item information for the result list?
18:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT)
18:24 tcohen       bug 10957, attached the patch
18:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation
18:23 oleonard     Clicking on one of these collection code facets breaks the functionality of Bug 10857 so I'd like to confirm that it's a data problem
18:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, RESOLVED FIXED, Add item type to facet list
18:20 mtompset     Okay... whew. Didn't accidentally -- myself. :)
18:20 oleonard     Looking at the patch on Bug 4255 it looks like it looks for 952y and 942c?
18:19 huginn       mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 38 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 35.
18:19 mtompset     @karma mtompset
18:19 mtompset     Oops... I wonder.
18:18 oleonard     Anyone have any suggestions for where I might look to confirm that I have wonky data causing this?
18:18 mtompset     -- . :P
18:17 jcamins      s/s//
18:17 jcamins      oleonard: nopes.
18:17 cait         sorry, can't test righ tnow
18:17 * magnuse    wanders off
18:17 oleonard     I'm perplexed by this, so I'll ask again: Is anyone else seeing collection codes listed under Item type search facets?
18:17 magnuse      thanks jcamins
18:15 jcamins      Works in IE8.
18:15 oleonard     IE10 is sneaky
18:15 jcamins      Here's IE8. I shall try.
18:15 magnuse      jcamins, cait: thanks. it could possibly be that normarc does things differently than marc21 - i have not kept up to date with some changes that were done for marc21 (and probably unimarc)...
18:14 * jcamins    goes questing for older versions.
18:14 jcamins      How did I end up with IE10?
18:14 jcamins      Ugh.
18:14 jcamins      magnuse: works fine in IE10.
18:13 mtompset     Oh right... I need cookies.
18:12 cait         i think it was ok in the training i did
18:12 mtompset     Oh... good testing idea.
18:11 cait         not yet, but i haven't tried
18:11 magnuse      ie--
18:11 magnuse      anyone else had trouble opening the value builders in the cataloguing screen in internet explorer?
18:11 magnuse      too true! :-)
18:08 jcamins      What cait is saying is that libraries are already dotty.
18:07 cait         people here tell me they look silly
18:07 cait         oh please no dots
18:07 mtompset     Librarians have their own formatting quirkiness.
18:07 * mtompset   smirks, "-- . $$!"
18:06 tcohen       should i add dot at the end?
18:04 * cait       looks up train connections to and from the airport :)
18:04 jcamins      Yeah, but I wouldn't have any objection to removing it.
18:04 tcohen       not a visualizatio bug
18:04 tcohen       oh, it is intended then
18:04 jcamins      I don't remember why, but there was a reason that corporate authors are introduced with double dashes.
18:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT)
18:04 tcohen       i'm fixing bug 10957
18:03 tcohen       the register only has 710$a and 710$b
18:03 jcamins      tcohen: it's for corporate authors.
18:03 cait         then it looks weird
18:03 cait         oh
18:03 tcohen       MARC21
18:03 cait         for UNIMARC?
18:03 tcohen       no, that's XSLT
18:03 cait         hm that's non xslt I think?
18:02 tcohen       the ' -- ' after 'by'
18:02 tcohen       cait: this is wrong, right? http://snag.gy/Ea0X8.jpg
18:01 mtompset     There is no way to get it to write outside those directories as far as I can tell.
18:01 mtompset     and you can create sub-directories from within that directory to allow for grouping.
18:00 mtompset     you configure that in the koha-conf.xml
18:00 mtompset     as for where.
18:00 cait         where does it end up?
18:00 cait         ahum.
18:00 mtompset     though, I suspect large files may time out (haven't gotten there yet)
18:00 mtompset     You can upload ANYTHING that is a file.
17:59 cait         where are they saved to?
17:59 cait         is there any security measure about what kind of files you can uplaod?
17:59 mtompset     and you are forced to read the error logs to determine why.
17:59 mtompset     so when you try again... it fails again.
17:59 mtompset     it uploads, but the error makes it sound like it failed.
17:59 mtompset     exactly.
17:58 cait         but if it still uploads and does state it didn't... that's problematic
17:58 cait         it does sound probleamtic yes
17:58 mtompset     no, an "We didn't like this" type error which is programmed.
17:58 mtompset     It shouldn't upload at all in that case.
17:58 wahanui      a perl error is not realted to that feature
17:58 cait         a perl error?
17:57 mtompset     Well, if you don't specify where, and click submit, it still uploads the file, but gives and error.
17:57 mtompset     The page allows for uploading files.
17:57 cait         but trying to break the feature with wrong input should always be part of the testing
17:57 cait         it always depends, i  don't know what you've found
17:57 cait         you should note it
17:57 mtompset     Not signoff, and note bad cases?
17:56 cait         if something bad happens
17:56 mtompset     Signoff and note bad cases?
17:56 mtompset     What is recommended if the behaviour handling is poor for bad data cases?
17:56 * mtompset   sighs.
17:36 mtompset     Thanks, magnuse. :)
17:36 magnuse      mtompset++
17:30 mtompset     Testing a patch like crazy in hopes that it makes feature freeze.
17:29 mtompset     Close.
17:29 wahanui      mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush.
17:29 druthb       wahanui:  mtompset?
17:29 druthb       hi, mtompset! :)
17:28 magnuse      hiya mtompset
17:28 mtompset     Greetings, tcohen druthb magnuse, etc. :)
17:24 wahanui      magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
17:24 druthb       magnuse!
17:24 magnuse      druthb!
16:51 mtompset     YAY! I figured out how to trigger the basket.pl
16:51 mtompset     SPLIT!
16:36 mtompset     Okay... more progress. Need to figure out how to trigger baskets.
16:32 oleonard     Happens with search history disabled and with browse results disabled.
16:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session
16:24 oleonard     I was hoping Bug 10952 would cure that crash, but no.
15:58 oleonard     Yes, I'm pretty sure facets are a thing.
15:57 huginn       oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8026 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facets code should allow to build facets on controlfields
15:57 huginn       oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , tags not searchable
15:57 huginn       oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3451 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No facets for tags search
15:57 huginn       oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9361 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC 610 and 611 fields in bulk imports are not linked to authorities
15:57 huginn       oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1964 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facetted searching should change search box
15:57 oleonard     @query facets
15:57 oleonard     Facets. Facets facets facets. @query facets
15:56 cait         kivilahtio__: being stuck on highly modified koha is evil :)
15:56 cait         kivilahtio__: make sure you file a bug and give back your modifications
15:54 rambutan     ah, no
15:54 cait         ok gone again :)
15:54 oleonard     rambutan: In master?
15:54 rambutan     oleonard: I'm clearly not doing things right, but it works for me
15:54 * cait       arranged that it will be picked up on saturday - yay
15:53 kivilahtio__ I mean time to properly configure the CGI debugging tools
15:53 kivilahtio__ +some debugging time
15:53 kivilahtio__ 6h, not bad considering this is my first modification test thingy
15:53 oleonard     But not in master
15:53 oleonard     Works for me in 3.10 too
15:52 kivilahtio__ Phew! Just generalized the UseLibraryTransferLimits to limit holds as well.
15:51 slef         BICBW
15:50 slef         rambutan: I think he means the "Refine your search" bit on the left
15:50 rambutan     facet?
15:47 slef         oleonard: sorry, worksforme in 3.10 (I think)
15:47 slef         ok, now it's working... the mysqld slowdown may have been unrelated
15:47 * slef       tries it again
15:46 slef         mysqld hogging
15:46 slef         not down, just slow
15:45 cait         that is so annoying.
15:44 slef         aieee server down
15:44 slef         oleonard: I think I just did two subject searches in a while.
15:44 cait         slef: not german post... but the shop where i need to bring the package to that was in walking distance
15:44 slef         oleonard: no crash, but I think I may be endlessly loading.
15:44 cait         that needs to get sent back today or tomorrow
15:44 oleonard     Trying it in Chrome doesn't result in a crash but the page has been endlessly loading.
15:44 cait         and i have this huge package i can barely carry
15:43 slef         the post office?
15:43 cait         they are on vacation
15:43 * cait       grumps
15:43 * slef       does that
15:43 oleonard     Who wants to try to crash Firefox? Do a keyword search, click on one of the results. Click the author link on the detail page to perform an author search. Click a facet in the author search results. Click a title on the resulting search results.
15:28 cait         will take a closer look a little later
15:28 cait         but have to run to the post office
15:28 cait         gmcharlt: can access now
15:27 cait         hm maybe we did
15:27 cait         slef: that's ok - maybe we should change the default tho at some point
15:27 slef         cait: xslt transforms marcxml IIRC so sidesteps the issue, but as long as Normal View is default, I think we should make it easier to show subtitles
15:26 slef         cait: there is no file
15:26 gmcharlt     cait: OK, please try again
15:25 mtompset     Greetings, rambutan.
15:24 rambutan     hi mtompset
15:24 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
15:24 gmcharlt     ah, that would be a problem :)
15:24 cait         You are not authorized to view case 1
15:23 cait         i am not uathorized :(
15:23 gmcharlt     cait: here's an example http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/tr_show_case.cgi?case_id=1
15:12 cait         and i think it only works without xslt
15:12 cait         so we could provide a sample file, but there it should not cause you any problems if you miss the configuration
15:11 cait         the mapping is a default feature
15:11 cait         slef: what's the problem with the file? :)
15:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10953 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing subtitle fieldmapping unless you use ru-RU or uk-UA
15:08 slef         Bug 10953 has been added to the database
15:07 slef         oh I'll do git log --grep=...
15:07 slef         yay
15:07 slef         The attachment you are attempting to access has been removed.
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Database Documentation
15:07 slef         Bug 6716
15:03 cait         gmcharlt: it's all empty for me when i open it and go through the tabs and tree structure
15:02 cait         gmcharlt: can you point to an example?
15:02 cait         gmcharlt: i tried playin with it, but i was not able to figure out how it would work
15:02 gmcharlt     a few have been written, but I've not had much time to take the experiment further
15:01 gmcharlt     cait: slef: testopia -- an add-on to allow test cases to be written and linked to bugs
15:01 * slef       tries "File a bug" on the home page, muttering about incorrect docs and the need to redirect his openID to something that still works
15:01 cait         slef: first row of links: Home | New
15:00 cait         rangi and gmcharlt were testing something
15:00 cait         the other is a plugin ... i have no idea still what it does
15:00 slef         errr, where's that then?
15:00 cait         yep that one :)
15:00 cait         slef: neither, new  abit above
15:00 slef         Choose "Enter a new bug"
15:00 wahanui      rumour has it bug reporting is explained at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug_Reporting_Guidelines
15:00 slef         wahanui: bug reporting?
15:00 wahanui      wish i knew, slef
15:00 slef         wahanui: bug reporting guidelines?
14:59 oleonard     Wow, I am quite consistently crashing Firefox by clicking a link in OPAC search results. I wonder what the trick is?
14:59 slef         OK it's been a while. When filing a new bug, do I click "New Case" or "New Run"?
14:57 cait         that would be cool
14:57 slef         yeah but it should give you a start
14:57 cait         hm we will have to take that out then I think - before anything could go on bugzilla
14:56 slef         Sometimes I even create them when I need a particular value or behaviour and I've no way for koha to do it yet.
14:55 cait         ah ok, hm problematic
14:55 slef         I'm forever trying to avoid them, but sometimes they still sneak through.
14:55 slef         it hardcodes some aspect of the sponsoring library
14:54 cait         what do you mean by client data leak?
14:54 slef         but I won't publish it
14:54 cait         aww
14:54 slef         if it leaks, I'll send it to you because I trust you
14:54 cait         well if you could put it somewhere on your list it would be nice
14:54 cait         hm
14:54 cait         oh
14:54 slef         (client data leak, usually)
14:54 slef         so I'd need to check what we did wrong :-/
14:53 slef         but if it isn't there may be a reason
14:53 cait         do you meant git send-email -f um commit or something like that?
14:53 slef         or if it's published, I can rebase and git bz it
14:53 slef         Sadly not but If you can remind me the send-email command, I'll send it across.
14:53 cait         and would it be ok to take a look? keeping your work intact of course
14:53 cait         can you give me a link?
14:52 slef         There's wip/bug_7716 on the server I'm working on right now.
14:52 cait         but i'd like to start sometime soon after the release
14:52 cait         obviously such a thing wouldn'tmake it into 3.14
14:52 cait         I'd really like to have that for our ILL workflow and copies of articles the user gets to keep
14:52 slef         oh yeah
14:51 cait         you marked it sponsored,so I wondered if there was something i could start from already if I tried to do something like that :)
14:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type
14:51 cait         slef: bug 7716
14:50 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10383 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable version of bib record doesn't include subtitle in staff client
14:50 cait         just need an info
14:50 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7074 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , keyword mapping on checkin and checkout screen
14:50 cait         that's ok
14:50 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Keyword Mapping Should Work with XSLT turned on
14:50 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow a better form of the title to be included in notices
14:50 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4166 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , No way to know what keywords to use for Keyword Mapping
14:50 slef         @query subtitle
14:50 slef         cait: you can try but I have no spare koha time until 1 Oct ;-)
14:50 cait         slef: ah, no i don't think the other languages have that
14:50 slef         sets up subtitle in two frameworks
14:49 cait         slef: actually i wanted to ask you about a bug when you showed up
14:49 cait         what is in the file?
14:49 cait         slef: no, but they have done some things different than others
14:48 slef         Does anyone know why does fieldmapping.sql only exist in uk-UA and ru-RU?
14:48 alaquerre    I can't tell
14:48 cait         I would be surprised :(
14:48 slef         ?
14:48 slef         does Alfresco speak z39.50 or similar
14:48 cait         waiting for rebase
14:48 cait         there is a patch from Jesse to have external z39.50 targets but it's currently stuck
14:48 cait         maybe
14:48 slef         or configuring pazpar2?
14:47 cait         not without catalouging something in Koha
14:47 alaquerre    Hi all, question for everyone : Is there a way in Koha to work with Alfresco ?  The goal we have here is to put pdf and word document inside Alfresco.  After that, if we query Koha, we would like to get result from Alfresco ?  Possible ?
14:34 wahanui      i heard MARC21 was at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
14:34 slef         wahanui: MARC21?
14:34 wahanui      MARC is probably the standard that isn't
14:34 slef         wahanui: MARC?
14:34 huginn       slef: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8]
14:34 slef         @marc 245
14:34 huginn       slef: Remainder of title
14:34 slef         @marc 245 b
14:29 Joubu        oleonard: yes, but I think the jajm's patch will definitly fix the issue
14:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation
14:27 oleonard     Joubu: I think it's odd that msaby and I both got the same error testing Bug 10857 (an error I've never gotten before) but I will retest today.
14:24 oleonard     Let it not be said I didn't get anything done today.
14:21 Oak          double r
14:21 Oak          it should be "run forrest run"
14:18 Oak          aye aye cait1
14:18 tcohen       s/^i/hi/
14:18 tcohen       i cait1
14:16 cait1        back using umts
14:16 cait1        ...
14:16 cait1        and my interent is down :(
14:16 cait1        i have 3 big building sites in the neighboorhood
14:16 Oak          i was about to say a similar thing
14:16 oleonard     Maybe cait1 knows how to do it. She's the latest version!
14:09 cait         similar problem here
14:09 * oleonard   would do it if he were smart that way
14:08 cait         i think it looks like noone is going to implement it as 'news' currently :(
14:08 cait         i like that they kept the translatable standard message in the template
14:08 cait         oleonard: true for every new preference like that
14:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences
14:07 oleonard     Bug 10951 is a good idea, but it would have been nice to implement it in a Koha News kind of way, with different values for different languages
14:00 oleonard     You're welcome
14:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Browse selected biblios
14:00 Joubu        thanks oleonard for the followup on bug 10858
13:46 cait         morning tcohen
13:41 tcohen       morning #koha
13:14 magnuse      for moving bugs along, one comment at a time :-)
13:13 * cait       hides
13:11 druthb       oleonard++
13:11 oleonard     Yes, us++ for being awake!
13:10 druthb       cait++
13:10 cait         hm?
13:10 magnuse      oleonard++ cait++
13:03 cait         yw
13:03 oleonard     Thanks cait
13:03 cait         oleonard: commented
12:57 cait         :)
12:57 cait         hm i think a good first step - i'd take that and do a separate bug for more screw tigthening
12:55 oleonard     Good enough, or needs more work?
12:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, In Discussion , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports
12:54 oleonard     Bug 2969 could use some second and third opinions with regard to gmcharlt's last comment
12:52 * cait       nods
12:51 oleonard     With any discussion system you need to be able to quickly scan through to see if there are topics which are relevant to you and ignore the rest. I think email is best for this because I'm already reading email throughout the day.
12:49 cait         i agree, but I couldn't really explain my aversion to forums earlier
12:49 cait         oleonard: well put :)
12:48 oleonard     I'm open to the stack exchange model because it could act as a sort of FAQ system. I don't see a need for a new discussion venue.
12:48 magnuse      yup
12:47 cait         true
12:47 oleonard     No. Too hard to keep up with. If I'm forced to visit every day to find out what's new I just won't.
12:46 cait         you don't like forums either?
12:45 oleonard     Sorry, but if someone starts a Koha phpbb forum I will not be visiting.
12:26 magnuse      clone all the repositories!
12:21 marcelr      hi oleonard
12:19 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:01 Oak          oh wait. clone repository!
12:01 Oak          where is the download link magnuse? let's download 100 copies of it asap!!
12:00 Oak          ooh let me check that
11:23 magnuse      at the bottom here: https://shapado.com/plans it says "Powered by Shapado 4.1.0 under the GNU Affero General Public License" and there is a link to http://gitorious.org/shapado
11:22 magnuse      they just try to hide it :-)
11:22 magnuse      shapado is free software, agpl
11:12 cait         doing dishes bbl
11:12 cait         yep
11:10 Oak          but no. we need something free I think.
11:06 Oak          'shapado' looks interesting
10:51 Oak          http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones
10:50 Oak          hm
10:49 cait         just having it on an independent platform
10:49 cait         i think the stack exchange idea was good
10:48 * Oak        will google "forum+rating+system"
10:47 Oak          you have a point.
10:47 cait         think things...
10:47 Oak          yeah rating system is great. i read an answer with most UPs in SE and just ignore the other answers... saves time.
10:47 cait         because if a form thread has like.. 10 pages it gets hard to follow, like with some of those looong bug discussions we tend to have
10:46 cait         i like the rating idea for good answers
10:46 cait         i think thinks get easily lost in their
10:46 cait         trying..
10:46 cait         but that's me :) i am complicated
10:45 Oak          elaborate a bit....
10:45 Oak          hm
10:45 cait         hm i don't like forums much personally
10:45 Oak          i was thinking, that forums like phpbb may also be a good fit for us. in a phpbb forum we can have sub-forums like General, Announcements, Programming, jQuery, OPAC, and then topics inside them. this way things get organized a bit. and our community is quite sensible one so there won't be huge mess of topics. and in that "forumy" sense, Discourse looks good too. I saw this: http://ubuntu-discourse.org/
10:37 cait         heh
10:37 Oak          geek aleret
10:36 Oak          :) ooh comic book!
10:35 cait         huge comic book here
10:34 * Oak        always puts a flat clipboard under his laptop... when using in bed
10:23 magnuse      heh
10:17 wizzyrea_    well laptops and pillows don't seem to mix >.>
10:16 magnuse      ouch?!?
10:16 wizzyrea_    i kind of burned up mine >.>
10:16 wizzyrea_    well a little of both
10:16 magnuse      wizzyrea_: rebuild physically, or just reinstall software?
10:06 wizzyrea_    i had to rebuild my laptop, hasn't been a priority to get konversation set up again :)
10:06 magnuse      moahahaha
10:06 wizzyrea_    lol the hazards of using a web based irc client.
10:06 magnuse      wb wizzyrea_
10:00 magnuse      tee hee
09:59 kathryn_     maybe this is my inter-niche
09:58 kathryn_     aye!
09:58 wizzyrea_    surely there's a joke to be made about filling crevices with silicone
09:57 kathryn_     noone blogs entertainingly about fixing leaks
09:54 wizzyrea_    oooo
09:54 kathryn_     hiyee I'm just lurking around, reading home renovation blogs :)
09:53 wizzyrea_    sup kathryn_ :)
09:28 cait         but yu are not still working i hope?
09:24 kathryn_     I know! :) hi cait :)
09:23 cait         wrong time of day! :)
09:23 cait         hi kathryn_
09:23 cait         hi Oak :)
09:22 Oak          hello cait \o
09:22 Oak          i can try/set-up Discourse on my computer, and if it works there, I can set up a micro instance on AWS for you guys to play with...
08:44 cait         morning :)
08:44 magnuse      guten morgen holiday-cait!
08:29 cait         morning #koha
07:27 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:27 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:27 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:27 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:14 samueld      hi everybody
07:13 magnuse      ruby seems to be the cool kid on the block these days...
07:12 mtj          afaik, not yet
07:09 magnuse      yay! anyone volunteering to install?
07:08 mtj          …we can run either of those on *our* server, without the threat of random moderators trashing the site ^^
07:06 mtj          but, as others have recommend - discourse or shapado look good
07:06 magnuse      yeah, that is a downer
07:05 mtj          magnuse, yeah - we just cant accept having SE mods closing legitimate questions on our forum… :/
07:04 marcelr      hi mtj
07:04 mtj          heya magnuse, marcelr
07:04 marcelr      hi magnuse
07:02 * magnuse    suspects stackexchange is not going to happen
07:01 magnuse      hei!
06:51 reiveune     hello
06:43 cjh          yo
06:43 wizzyrea_    sup
06:38 marcelr      hi #koha
06:28 huginn       magnuse: unknown tag 571
06:28 magnuse      @marc 571
06:19 magnuse      nudge nudge http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/60300/koha-open-source-library-software
06:18 * magnuse    waves
05:34 johnbljr     Anyone have a good tutorial on generating barcodes?
04:38 eythian      oh, it required me to acknowledge the T&C before they became available.
04:36 eythian      ...although it says most of them aren't available, so who knows.
04:34 eythian      oh hey, New Zealand now has access to google books
04:34 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook Oak wizzyrea eythian and anyone else I missed. :)
04:18 Oak          :) yeah
04:18 mtompset     It's after midnight here.
04:18 mtompset     I should be going to sleep shortly.
04:18 mtompset     It doesn't help that my timezone has shifted.
04:16 Oak          hello mtompset :) yes... lot of things going on here so no time to chat lately.
04:13 * mtompset   cheers, "Woo hoo! Triggered all the C4::Biblio changes in this patch."
04:13 mtompset     Long time no chat.
04:13 mtompset     Greetings, Oak!
04:11 Oak          kia ora #koha
04:08 wahanui      considering marc is scarry to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons
04:08 mtompset     considering marc?
04:08 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
04:08 huginn       mtompset: Quote #199: "chris_n: considering marc is scary to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 02:24 PM, April 09, 2012)
04:08 mtompset     @quote random
04:08 huginn       mtompset: Quote #214: "obelos: Perhaps this means it's time for HLT to choose a different name so we can all move on with our work without this distraction." (added by mtj at 01:52 AM, August 08, 2012)
04:08 mtompset     @quote random
04:07 huginn       mtompset: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/blog/uploaded_images/IMG_6368_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011)
04:07 mtompset     @quote random
04:06 huginn       mtompset: Quote #278: "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." (added by mtompset at 03:50 AM, September 17, 2013)
04:06 mtompset     @quote get 278
04:06 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
04:06 huginn       mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
04:06 mtompset     @get quote 278
04:06 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #279 added.
04:06 mtompset     @quote add "eythian:	steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little."
04:05 huginn       mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
04:05 mtompset     @quote add "eythian:	steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little."
03:54 wizzyrea     I think I could happily argue about this with you all day
03:52 eythian      curve is just a word for an often-monotonic graph after all.
03:52 eythian      then it wouldn't be a learning curve, it'd be an effort expended curve.
03:52 wizzyrea     if we are talking about effort expended though, no.
03:51 wizzyrea     mm ok, if we're talking about a graph then yes.
03:50 eythian      time on X, amount learned on Y
03:50 dcook        ok, really going now
03:50 dcook        life-long learning of steep learning curves :p
03:50 eythian      not really, if it's a graph, it's best when it's steep.
03:49 wizzyrea     and if there's ever an end
03:49 wizzyrea     lol I guess that depends on when you think you're done learning
03:49 dcook        Anyway, got to go
03:49 * dcook      agrees
03:49 dcook        Trying to program well: way more shallow and difficult..
03:49 eythian      wizzyrea: no it isn't, because it takes you less time to do so.
03:49 dcook        Initially learning to program: steep learning curve
03:48 dcook        eythian: That's downright quoteable
03:48 wizzyrea     much harder to climb though ;)
03:48 dcook        Ideally, it would be nice to have two interfaces
03:48 eythian      steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little.
03:48 dcook        It is
03:48 wizzyrea     it's also harder to learn
03:48 wizzyrea     because yea, no mousing is fast
03:48 wizzyrea     rather the people who have slaved over their text interface for so long that they have a hard time with anything else
03:47 wizzyrea     there's a problem between the people who don't want to have climb the super steep learning curve of a text interface, vs the people who want to be able to just pick it up and go
03:47 * dcook      would rather offer cataloguing advice than obsess over "perfectly" descrbing a resource
03:46 dcook        I might have a touch of purity though, which is one reason I decided not to be a cataloguer :p
03:46 dcook        You didn't need to touch the mouse
03:46 dcook        You can catalogue way faster with that text interface
03:46 dcook        A cataloguing pragmatist :p
03:46 wizzyrea     ah a cataloguing purist.
03:45 * dcook      misses the pure text interface of yore
03:45 johnbljr     the reason I did not have it was because my install used UNIMARC and not Marc21
03:45 dcook        wizzyrea: way too many clicks
03:45 dcook        I think older systems called them templates
03:45 mtompset     That's a good premise, I think.
03:45 dcook        I accept the premise that you'd want different views for different purposes though.
03:44 wizzyrea     way too many clicks.
03:44 dcook        It certainly is
03:44 wizzyrea     and that editing interface is pants.
03:44 wizzyrea     the thing where you have to add it to all of them if you want it is a pain.
03:44 dcook        true true
03:44 mtompset     Whatever... not like frameworks are going to change in the near future. :)
03:43 dcook        Or if you need to add a field, you need to add it to all frameworks (or figure out the ones that probably shoudl have it)
03:43 dcook        If your framework doesn't have a particular field showing, it gets nixed when you save
03:43 mtompset     tags to display, not actual tags.
03:43 dcook        Each framework has its own tag library
03:42 wizzyrea     for the cataloging interface
03:42 dcook        Not really
03:42 wizzyrea     and they do do that
03:42 mtompset     Then you wouldn't necessarily have to tab between 1XX, 2XX, etc. records.
03:42 wizzyrea     that was supposed to be the purpose, back in the day. XSLT kind of changed that
03:41 mtompset     Ooooh... yes. dcook. I like that. So all the tags are there, but the framework changes the view.
03:41 wahanui      whatever jcamins forgets to check is optional.
03:41 dcook        Optional?
03:41 dcook        Ideally, it would be nice if there were one tag library and then each "framework" were a view of it
03:40 wizzyrea     and yet more wanted to have a specific framework that put all the fields they always use on tab 0, and the optional ones on other tabs
03:40 * eythian    wonders how this particular data has a coauthor with no author.
03:40 dcook        I think what jcamins wants to avoid by using different frameworks is the staleness of frameworks
03:40 dcook        Mmm, right
03:39 wizzyrea     and lots of our libraries use one "Articles"
03:39 dcook        Maybe a/v
03:39 dcook        I imagine some people do use the serials one
03:39 wizzyrea     I have seen a very wide variety of uses for the frameworks
03:39 eythian      fast add is a different thing again really though
03:39 dcook        It's not always
03:38 wizzyrea     I don't think it's really that easy.
03:38 dcook        Those usually benefit from the fast add framework then
03:38 wizzyrea     or another trusted source.
03:38 dcook        True true
03:38 wizzyrea     yea but not every library needs professional records. If they do, they don't do it themselves, they get the records from OCLC.
03:38 dcook        And the item being catalogued
03:37 dcook        Depending on what type of cataloguer you are :p
03:36 eythian      also makes it easy to miss one that you should have filled out, because you're skipping 90% of them anyway.
03:36 eythian      because that really clutters your display
03:35 mtompset     Because if you have a framework with every possible field/subfield... why would you need another one that doesn't?
03:30 wizzyrea     hehe
03:29 mtompset     I'm a library noob. :)
03:29 mtompset     I'll listen to you, wizzyrea. :)
03:28 wizzyrea     but if he's gone I won't bother.
03:28 wizzyrea     I was going to elucidate the reasons for having the other frameworks, from a practical point of view (i.e. for libraries that don't care about MARC completeness)
03:27 wizzyrea     did the framework guy leave?
03:23 mtompset     ^is^out^
03:23 mtompset     Okay... figured it is... mouse over tool tip doesn't always appear.
03:22 mtompset     Ah... there's a double click to review the line individually.
03:21 mtompset     Thoroughness is a good thing!
03:20 mtompset     And I only found this problem as a result of trying to install a fresh install UNIMARC koha.
03:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
03:20 mtompset     I'm working on testing bug 6874
03:19 wizzyrea     which bug?
03:17 eythian      it isn't intuitive at all.
03:16 mtompset     I'm not going to spam bugs list again.
03:16 mtompset     :( The interface for it is not intuitive.
03:14 eythian      mtompset: you should use the review thing on bugzilla by reading the instructions :) you can comment on a particular line, which is what you wanted there I think.
03:13 wizzyrea     mtompset++ for making me look at the git checkout man page.
03:12 wizzyrea     check out the version of file.name from 2 commits back
03:11 wizzyrea     git checkout master~2 file.name
03:11 wizzyrea     ohhh
03:11 eythian      you click 'review' beside the patch.
03:11 eythian      mtompset: yes
03:10 wizzyrea     true
03:10 mtompset     patch review thing on bugzilla?
03:10 eythian      but you could make it change the content with --hard.
03:10 wizzyrea     "there's probably a flag for that (tm)"
03:10 eythian      reset is mostly for undoing a git add when used on files.
03:09 wizzyrea     it will if you've done stuff but haven't committed it
03:09 eythian      I think checkout is probably better in this case.
03:09 wizzyrea     might not work with a patch though
03:09 wizzyrea     git checkout file.name
03:09 eythian      mtompset: also, you should look into using the patch review thing on bugzilla
03:09 wizzyrea     i usually just git checkout
03:09 eythian      yeah, pretty sure you can
03:06 mtompset     Okay, that's useful to know.
03:06 mtompset     you can reset an individual file?
03:06 eythian      reset should do it
03:04 mtompset     But it would be really handy to know how to go, "I want the origin/master version of this file and start from scratch."
03:04 mtompset     I did look at the git diff, and figured out the problem.
03:04 mtompset     That didn't work dcook.
03:04 dcook        git checkout -- path/to/file perhaps?
03:04 eythian      This stuff I usually look up.
03:04 eythian      or maybe it's checkout
03:03 eythian      git reset path/to/file perhaps then
03:03 eythian      oh
03:03 mtompset     I want the original file before the patch.
03:03 mtompset     I don't want the diff.
03:02 jcamins      eythian: doesn't that hide the diff, though?
03:02 eythian      might not be exactly that, but it's similar
03:02 eythian      or something like git checkout -- origin/master:path/to/file
03:00 jcamins      Find the file you want and copy it to where you want it to go.
02:56 mtompset     okay... I'm testing a patch, and I think there's a file that is whack... how do I cherry pick from origin/master a particular file?
02:48 jcamins      I think there's a patch adding the last few missing.
02:47 jcamins      Nearly.
02:47 mtompset     So, does Default have all the fields?
02:47 jcamins      There are a handful of fields that are format-specific, but there are far more fields that aren't.
02:47 jcamins      More or less.
02:46 jcamins      (and you have therefore wasted a lot of your time)
02:46 mtompset     So, books would require entering the same meta-data as videos?
02:45 dcook        ^^
02:45 jcamins      If you've done that then all the frameworks are identical.
02:45 mtompset     What if you have all of the frameworks (BKS, etc.) updated to not lack fields, etc.? What would motivate the use of Default over the others?
02:43 jcamins      mtompset: because the frameworks that come suggested with Koha are all lacking fields and provide no added value.
02:43 mtompset     Why wouldn't you use a particular framework (like BKS, etc.)? Why just Default?
02:42 wahanui      somebody said Default was ports for those who dont have access/skills to run dns
02:42 mtompset     Default?
02:42 dcook        Default and fastadd are usually the ones I advocate as well
02:41 dcook        Sweet. I should set one up one of these days...
02:41 mtompset     On a positive note. I have a Unimarc installation now. :)
02:41 * mtompset   cheers.
02:41 jcamins      In fact, I strongly encourage my libraries not to use any of the other frameworks.
02:40 mtompset     dcook: Yes, let's. terrible scenario.
02:40 johnbljr     Thanks.
02:40 dcook        But that's my last word on that one, mtompset. I'm more than happy to drop the topic.
02:40 jcamins      FWIW, I only ever use default and fast add.
02:40 dcook        While I personally wouldn't find that horrifying, I understand that someone else might and that is certainly their right to think that way (even if I might think it's a misguided way of thinking).
02:40 jcamins      ^^ there are a few there
02:40 wahanui      marc frameworks is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
02:40 jcamins      marc frameworks?
02:40 wahanui      frameworks are a big topic
02:40 jcamins      frameworks?
02:39 johnbljr     Trying to quickly add books and wondering how I can add more frameworks - all I have listed is default and fast add...I still need to go in and choose Book...any suggestions on adding some more default ones? Are there any premade that I can just load in?
02:39 mtompset     yes, I was referring to the secondary related idea that suggesting someone is attracted to a particular gender when they are not is horrifying.
02:38 dcook        As one's sexual preferences are really no business of anyone else's.
02:37 dcook        My meaning is that tapette is a horrible slang word that no one should ever apply to another person.
02:37 dcook        I'm not entirely sure how to take your meaning, mtompset.
02:36 mtompset     Mixing up gender identity is horrifying too.
02:35 mtompset     My french teacher was straight as far as I knew.
02:35 mtompset     yes.
02:35 dcook        Horrifying word
02:35 dcook        Wait
02:35 dcook        Much more
02:35 mtompset     even more horrifying then. :)
02:34 dcook        It's a homophobic slang word
02:34 dcook        But it's not slang for idiot
02:34 dcook        Tapette
02:33 dcook        I know what you're saying now
02:33 dcook        Umm no
02:33 dcook        ahhh
02:33 mtompset     Needless to say the person she was talking to was horrified to hear about her sleeping some one like that.
02:32 mtompset     I vaguely recall a story from my grade 10 french teacher saying that she was complaining about having to sleep with a fly swatter to someone in French, but the word for fly swatter was also used as slang for idiot.
02:31 dcook        Not that I've ever heard but I'm not that familiar with French slang
02:30 mtompset     Isn't Frappat french slang for idiot?
02:16 * dcook      is confused
02:16 dcook        O_o
02:15 dcook        "This site was born out of a DrupalCon presentation to educate people of PHP's quirks. If you want to use this material to bash PHP you are in the wrong place."
02:15 wahanui      hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:15 dcook        Interesting..
02:15 dcook        ...that site is run on Drupal...which is written in PHP, no?
02:14 jcamins      I'm not sure that some of those are worthy of objection.
02:10 dcook        Whoa...
02:09 wahanui      okay, eythian.
02:09 eythian      wahanui: php is also http://www.phpwtf.org/
02:08 wahanui      i think php is http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
02:08 eythian      wahanui: php
01:28 mtompset     Does chr vs. icu make a difference if I'm grabbing data from Biblibre's demo system?
01:27 mtompset     Okay, that's good to know.
01:26 jcamins      GRS-1, there is no DOM configuration for UNIMARC.
01:24 mtompset     okay... if I'm installing a unimarc system... is grs or dom better (which will get me a working system without having to edit configuration files)?
01:07 eythian      jcamins: it is, isn't it.
00:57 jcamins      eythian: that was great.
00:50 eythian      it's an entertaining look into the history of Intel's processor design process.
00:50 mtompset     What does that have to do with anything, eythian?
00:46 eythian      https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1309_14-17_mickens.pdf
00:24 dcook        Mmm
00:24 jcamins      rangi: or that.
00:24 rangi        Comete, pierrick: bah elle est inquiète par rapport au témoignage de l'école des mines quant à leur migration
00:24 rangi        or speaking french
00:19 jcamins      Way better.
00:19 jcamins      wizzyrea: actually, that's a better guess.
00:19 * jcamins    theorizes that maybe "MARC" means something to quants.
00:18 * wizzyrea   suspects someone was talking about quaint finance practices in libraries and spelled it wrong.
00:18 wizzyrea     quant finance! quant finance!
00:18 wizzyrea     oh nm I missed that he had gone.
00:17 wizzyrea     can you link us to the place in the log?
00:16 wizzyrea     it's ok lil buddy, he didn't mean it.
00:16 * wizzyrea   pats wahanui
00:00 FORMAL       lol