Time  Nick         Message
00:13 * dcook      hopes xchat doesn't freeze again..
00:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #120 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:49 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9761: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec3c09cbb054d0e3e725c8bfece7bc3699d88750> / Bug 9761: Unit tests for ConfirmFutureHolds changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba60c66f05926680c6002c61c74b17bdc060a703> / Bug 9761: Preliminary measures for adding a unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=579b65c973
01:30 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #120: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/120/
01:30 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
01:30 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: dbrev for ConfirmFutureHolds
01:30 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Reformulating the preference description
01:30 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Preliminary measures for adding a unit test
01:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
01:30 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9761: Unit tests for ConfirmFutureHolds changes
01:30 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9761: DBRev
01:45 wizzyrea     hm interesting http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1869416643/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-7879865-0184864#reader-link
01:45 wizzyrea     others get feature unavailable eh
01:45 wizzyrea     ?
01:46 eythian      I do, yeah
01:46 wizzyrea     eenteresting
01:46 dcook        Yep
01:46 jeff         "We're sorry, but this feature is currently unavailable. Please try again later.
01:46 jeff         "
01:46 dcook        Should have an American check :p
01:47 wizzyrea     theoretically, according to amazon, I am.
01:47 wizzyrea     well jeff is american eh?
01:47 wizzyrea     in america american
01:49 jeff         http://www.amazon.com/Best-New-Zealand-Fiction/dp/1869416643/ and http://www.amazon.com/dp/1869416643/ seem to work without error -- i'm not sure what the "reader" bit in the URL is meant to do.
01:50 wizzyrea     yea me either
01:50 wizzyrea     that's what I was wondering
01:51 * wizzyrea   thinks to eradicate it, if it's going to be ugly.
01:51 dcook        Eradicate!
01:51 wizzyrea     thanks for that jeff
01:51 * dcook      says while envisioning the heavy duty cyborg from an early episode of season 1 of Ghost in the Shell
01:51 wizzyrea     hehe
01:51 wizzyrea     ex ter mi nate
01:54 eythian      http://youtu.be/SemBxkekFaU
01:55 eythian      (that was a quite good track when I saw them do it live, too :)
01:58 dcook        Diggin' it so far
02:19 tweetbot_    [off] @wizzyrea: "Just a reminder: the #KohaILS Stack Exchange Proposal still needs love - Use your votes, make some comments! http://t.co/iHP72NKo2F"
02:30 wizzyrea     it needs 24 more followers
02:31 wizzyrea     could also join something like libcatcode.org
02:31 jeff         wizzyrea: i'm curious what you think about the koha stackexchange propsal versus the libraries stackexchange proposal -- do you think that a more limited scope will be an advantage?
02:31 wizzyrea     I do, I think
02:31 wizzyrea     if I was going to expand the scope, I'd expand it to "Open ILS"
02:32 wizzyrea     I just don't want to see questions in there like "How do I repair a book that had wine spilled on it" right next door to "I've installed Koha on RedHat and now I can't <do a thing>"
02:33 rangi        or how do i use X piece of proprietary crap :)
02:33 wizzyrea     ^^^^ this
02:34 rangi        however i suspect that since SE is proprietary crap, we'll have to walk the walk on that :-)
02:34 wizzyrea     yea probably going to end up not on SE
02:34 wizzyrea     in the end
02:35 jeff         wizzyrea: i'm mostly wondering if a koha SE would be able to maintain the 15 questions/day on average and 1,500 visits/day average to be considered "healthy" and escape Beta without being shut down.
02:35 wizzyrea     yep, I have that concern as well.
02:35 wizzyrea     it seems a worthy experiment to judge if it's worth setting up our own though
02:37 eythian      wahanui: gentoo
02:37 wahanui      gentoo is supply that too in the future :D
02:37 eythian      no wahanui, gentoo is https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890
02:37 wahanui      okay, eythian.
02:37 huginn       04Bug 35890: was not found.
02:37 jeff         No objections, just wondering about your thoughts -- I know the libraries SE was a bit of a learning experience, and Unshelved Answers before that.
02:38 wizzyrea     eythian: that is amazing.
02:39 rangi        jeff: its more an easy way to see if people would be interested in something like SE, then we use one of the free software implementations to run our own with less rules around how many people must use it :)
02:40 wizzyrea     ^^
02:47 jeff         rangi: that's what I thought wizzyrea was saying, yep. :-)
03:20 jcamins      jeff: hey, did you know that EMU's "Up-North" extension facility is in Traverse City, MI?
03:21 jcamins      EMU also has a "Fish Lake" campus.
03:22 tweetbot_    [off] @wizzyrea: "The highlight of my day is getting to fix something properly in #KohaILS."
03:22 rangi        hi johnbljr
03:22 johnbljr     hi rangi
03:23 johnbljr     Greetings! I am looking for a z39.5 server that will assist with entering Chinese language books. Any thoughts?
03:23 wizzyrea     irspy?
03:23 wahanui      irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com.
03:24 johnbljr     OK let me check it out.
03:24 wizzyrea     you mean for importing records, not serving them? :)
03:24 jeff         jcamins: yep, they're part of the local college's University Center program. looks like EMU offers about ten courses, though only one of them is actually in Traverse City.
03:25 jeff         (the other nine are in Bellaire)
03:25 jcamins      jeff: I learned this because "Fish stocking -- Michigan -- East Fish Lake" is considered "very relevant" to my search for "fish" in UMich's database.
03:30 jeff         huh. three of those ten courses are skiing or snowboarding!
03:30 jcamins      jeff: guess I know where to go for my winter sports!
03:33 jeff         emu has an app, and this gem is from one of the reviews: ``I had to go to the Hover Building.The campus map lists this building slightly west of Cameroon in Africa.That made finding it difficult irl.''
03:33 jcamins      lol
03:33 eythian      hahah
03:33 dcook        hehe
03:39 jeff         there was a large library vendor with an ios app that tried to find libraries near you with that vendor's products... if it had trouble locating you, it would display an error message:
03:40 jeff         Location Services Failed! We were not able to locate you, ergo we will be using coordinates for Near Apple Headquarters. [OK]
03:40 * wizzyrea   blinks
03:41 wizzyrea     many things there.
03:41 wizzyrea     there is not enough usage of the word ergo in UI
03:42 eythian      heh, my app that uses location services to determine if you're in range to decide whether to send notifications apparently assumes that you are in wellington if it doesn't know any better.
03:42 eythian      So often getting off a plane, where the location hasn't worked things out yet, you'll get notifications before it works out you're not in Wellington after all.
03:42 eythian      I need to fix that bug.
03:43 jeff         hrm. i have a wide variety of screenshots in this collection. Not sure which of these "Breaking News: Apple Co-founder Steve Jobs Dies" news articles is worse... the one with the "Win an iPad 2!" ad, or the one with the "Grow Zombies for FREE!" ad. :P
03:44 eythian      haha
03:45 jeff         then there's the headline "Fire Destroys Pickford Consignment Shop, Monkey Rescued" where the body of the article makes no mention of the monkey.
03:47 jcamins      Myshkin has resorted to bribery in an effort to get me to go to bed: his favorite toy has been deposited on my pillow.
03:47 jcamins      Good night.
03:47 wahanui      If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
03:49 johnbljr     So i just set up Koha and thanks to you I was able to find libraries with Chinese books. Now when I go to import them once I find them I receive the error that I am missing tags. How important is it that I have the tags added and how can i remove tags?
03:50 jcamins      @later tell cait Hier sind Mannheimer bibliografische Datensätze! Und das Wort "Gesamtkunstwerk"! http://bnumich.cloudapp.net:3001/search?q=gesamtkunstwerk
03:50 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:58 eythian      wahanui: competition is http://youtu.be/Ia8OKMlqxLs
03:58 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:38 mtompset     split!
04:39 eythian      wahanui: split is <action> will provide the bananas!
04:39 wahanui      OK, eythian.
04:40 mtompset     split!
04:40 mtompset     split?
04:40 * wahanui    will provide the bananas!
04:40 mtompset     Cute, eythian.
04:45 wizzyrea     hey that's funny
04:45 wizzyrea     i mean, totally serious.
05:08 eythian      wahanui: wake up, sheeple is <reply>ARISE, MY HUMAN-SHEEP HYBRIDS!
05:08 wahanui      OK, eythian.
05:08 dcook        lol
05:27 mtompset     wake up, sheeple?
05:27 wahanui      ARISE, eythian's HUMAN-SHEEP HYBRIDS!
05:27 eythian      haha iios
05:27 eythian      no wahanui, wake up, sheeple is <reply>ARISE, \MY HUMAN-SHEEP HYBRIDS!
05:27 wahanui      okay, eythian.
05:27 eythian      *oops
05:28 dcook        sure sure :p
05:45 mtompset     wake up, sheeple?
05:45 wahanui      ARISE, MY HUMAN-SHEEP HYBRIDS!
05:45 pug          Im up!
05:48 pug          hey any of you guys have some experience with the debian script - koha-dump and koha-restore?
05:48 pug          Im having this "Operation DROP USER failed for" issue .. followed some steps online, but Im still stuck.
05:49 mtompset     DROP USER?
05:50 mtompset     Sorry... not familiar with them.
05:56 pug          its a mysql error , when the backup/restore scripts for debian are used ..
06:24 magnuse      pug: which script gives you that error? koha-dump or koha-restore?
06:39 reiveune     hello
06:40 mtompset     Bonjour. :)
06:41 mtompset     Well, I should sleep.
06:41 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :)
06:48 samueld      hi everybody
06:50 magnuse      bonjour!
06:50 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:50 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
06:50 magnuse      @wunder marseille
06:50 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:50 magnuse      ok, you win ;-)
07:00 gaetan_B     hello
07:31 magnuse      is 942 (and specifically 942$c) actually used for anything in koha today?
07:31 dcook        What's 942$c again?
07:31 magnuse      record level document type
07:32 dcook        I think it provides a default for when you're adding items
07:32 dcook        It's also stored in the biblioitems table
07:32 dcook        Although I'm not sure that it's really "used" in that table..
07:32 magnuse      "Koha [default] item type"
07:33 magnuse      yeah, i guess it is used as the default for item types for items on the same record...
07:34 dcook        I'm not really sure how important that is though
07:34 dcook        I would imagine that could be phased out
07:35 magnuse      yup, me too
07:36 magnuse      i suspect it exists for historical reasons, and comes from the time when koha was more frbr'ish
07:38 dcook        I imagine so
07:47 dcook        feature slush?
07:47 wahanui      somebody said feature slush was the date stuff that got passed-qa makes it into 3.14 with high probability
07:47 dcook        release schedule?
07:47 wahanui      release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
07:47 dcook        Ah
07:47 dcook        Oh well.
07:56 kf           good morning #koha
07:59 kf           @later tell drojf ping
07:59 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
07:59 tweetbot_    [off] @paul_poulain: "@francharb hi Francois: the hashtag for Koha is #KohaILS"
08:00 dcook        Time for shopping and gym
08:00 dcook        have a good day #koha
08:15 jon_         Hi there
08:15 wahanui      hey, jon_
08:15 jon_         Hi wahanui
08:16 jon_         I am trying to setup Koha on Centos and I am running into some trouble
08:16 jon_         particularly with some prerequisites
08:16 jon_         Warning: prerequisite Net::Server::PreFork 0.97 not found. We have unknown version. Warning: prerequisite Net::Z3950::ZOOM 1.16 not found. Warning: prerequisite Plack::Middleware::HTTPExceptions 0.01 not found. We have unknown version. Warning: prerequisite Schedule::At 1.06 not found. Warning: prerequisite Text::Aspell 0.04 not found. Warning: prerequisite XML::Dumper 0.81 not found. Warning: prerequisite XML::LibXSLT 1.59 not found. Warning: prereq
08:17 jon_         I'm not sure if anyone else experienced this
08:19 magnuse      jon_: i suspect not a lot of people here have experience with koha on centos
08:20 jon_         even online, most tutorials are debian/ubuntu
08:20 magnuse      yeah, debian (or ubuntu) is the recommended os, which most of the developers use
08:22 magnuse      are you doing a test installation just to kick the tyres, or to develop or to use in production?
08:22 jon_         I will be happy with just a test installation at this point
08:22 magnuse      there is some info on the wiki, but i have no idea how updated or accurate it is: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.10_on_Centos_6.3_x86_64_en
08:22 jon_         and then we'll take it from there to a production
08:23 magnuse      then i would use debian and the packages, to get it up and running as smoothly as possible
08:27 jon_         do you recommend koha being on a server on can it be part of a web server?
08:31 magnuse      not sure i understand that question
08:31 magnuse      you can run other things on the same server as koha
08:35 pug          magnuse, are you there ? sorry I was out.
08:43 pug          magnuse:  are you there ? sorry I was out.
08:44 magnuse      yup
08:49 pug          yeah, so I was getting the issue - "Operation DROP USER failed for" , on koha-restore
08:50 pug          I basically did a koha-dump .. then did a koha-remove .. no errors so far ..
08:50 pug          but when I move on to restore from the dump files, I get the above specified mysql error
08:51 pug          Im doing backup restore for the first time .. is there a obvious mistake Im making?
08:52 magnuse      hm, sounds like a weird error to get
08:52 magnuse      i'm not sure i ever tried the koha-restore script
08:57 pug          ah ok -- its a reported error http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10517 -- but I couldnt find a fix for it
08:57 huginn       04Bug 10517: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , kohe-restore fails to create mysqluser@mysql_hostname so zebra update fails
09:01 fredericd    On master/3.12, build_holds_queue doesn't seem to work anymore. tmp_holds queue isn't populated at all, and so Circulation - Holds queue & Holds to pull pages doesn't display anything.
09:01 fredericd    Does it sound familiar to anyone?
09:07 kf           fredericd: it sounds scary, but i haven't seen reports to that so far
09:07 kf           hm i tested the holds_queue a while back for a bug - but not sure when and it was on master
09:10 rangi        fredericd: id compare the table in your db, to the kohastructure.sql
09:11 rangi        make sure your db isnt missing a column or something
09:15 fredericd    rangi: thks for the suggestion
09:15 fredericd    I'm down to examining MapItemsToHoldRequests C4::HoldQueue function, which always return nothing...
09:16 kf           i think there were some 'fixes' in that area - maybe worth taking a look at the git history too? it might be something in configuration needs to be switched because it got stricter
09:46 magnuse      incomplete_data_exports--
10:05 tweetbot_    [off] @KohaDevReaction: "Photo: Someone calls it Koha on the list #KohaILS http://t.co/QqqKVnkOdW"
10:09 magnuse      @later tell gmcharlt: did you try to leave me a @later a while back that could be related to bug 10945? if so i am afraid i missed it...
10:09 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:39 * magnuse    lunches
10:58 kf           @later tell drofj changing email to E-Mail because of Duden
10:58 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
11:48 magnuse      Duden - was bedeutet das?
11:54 fredericd    Ich weiss es nicht
11:54 fredericd    It's confirmed I don't understand at all how holds queue is managed in Koha
11:54 fredericd    I can't understand the difference between Circulation Holds queue and Holds to pull report.
11:55 fredericd    And examining build_holds_queue.pl adds to my confusion
12:02 magnuse      nudge nudge http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/60300/koha-open-source-library-software
12:04 kf           fredericd: there has been a blog post about that - i found it quite enlightening, let me find it
12:04 kf           fredericd: http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/06/02/koha-holds-queue/
12:17 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:21 tcohen       morning
12:23 fredericd    kf: Thanks. I've seen this article. I'm helpless
12:45 magnuse      hiya oleonard and tcohen
12:46 tcohen       hi magnuse
12:55 oleonard     https://twitter.com/pclaireaux/status/382750934562250752
12:55 oleonard     ^^ for my French-speaking friends
13:01 kf           fredericd: helpless is not good, but not sure i can help :(
13:25 jcamins      I would like to take a stand and state that directly running unsanitized user input is a bad thing.
13:26 kf           jcamins: I can see where you are coming from there...
13:43 oleonard     Hi kmkale
13:43 kf           hi oleonard
13:47 kmkale       hi oleonard
14:01 * oleonard   grumbles about Stack Exchange mods closing questions as duplicate because they don't know Koha
14:02 oleonard     "What is the latest stable version?" is not a dupe of "How do I install Koha on Windows?"
14:02 jcamins      oleonard: even without knowing Koha, how are those questions similar?
14:05 oleonard     The mod assumes that both mean "How do I install Koha?"
14:05 oleonard     I guess
14:08 oleonard     Here's my next example question: Why can't I post an example question sooner than 3 minutes later? :P
14:19 kf           oleonard: guess that means Stackoverflow is not the right place
14:19 oleonard     It could certainly be a source of friction
14:19 kf           oleonard: someone in my distance study said there are plugins for joomla implementing a system like that for questions
14:19 kf           oleonard: maybe we could find something for wordpress?
14:20 oleonard     I'm not sure it's worth it if it isn't on Stackoverflow... Isn't part of the point that it's in a place where people are likely to look?
14:21 kf           not sure
14:21 kf           i don't really use stackoverflow
14:21 jeff         i'm not certain that koha is on-topic for stackoverflow.
14:21 kf           well idon't use it at all if it doesn't come up in search results
14:21 jcamins      oleonard: no, my understanding is that it's just a test to see if we should set up a FOSS system.
14:21 kf           but i like the way it works
14:21 jeff         which i suspect is why there's an attempt to create another stackexchange site that is koha-focused, rather than try to use stackoverflow.
14:23 jeff         stackoverflow is more about "writing software" questions, not "using software" questions.
14:24 oleonard     [off] If I were a grumpy misanthrope--which I may or may not be--I would say that the mailing list is already to easy for people to get onto to impatiently ask poorly-formed questions
14:25 oleonard     [off] I suppose on a stackoverflow-like system we could at least take pleasure in down-voting such questions
14:26 jeff         though i see there are some koha questions on stackoverflow -- none of the koha-specific ones seem to have any votes, though. :-)
14:26 jeff         http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=koha
14:26 jcamins      I have no interest in a StackOverflow-like system.
14:26 gaetan_B     bye!
14:27 jcamins      The mailing list volume is already too high for me.
14:27 oleonard     Crazy that anyone would ask a Koha-specific question on stackoverflow when there are Koha-specific options
14:36 chris_n      a very interesting discussion: http://tinyurl.com/nqfuu7l
14:37 jcamins      Which one?
14:37 wahanui      i think Which one is that? The fixed navbar?
14:38 oleonard     chris_n: Which discussion?
14:38 jcamins      (the link is just to the index)
14:42 kf           tablets?
14:42 jcamins      Tablets?
14:43 jcamins      Oh. Following the link again brings us to the actual message.
14:44 oleonard     Re: Re: RE: Re: RE:
14:47 chris_n      opps
14:48 chris_n      om
14:48 chris_n      try this: http://lists.ala.org/wws/arc/iss/2013-09/msg00041.html
14:49 chris_n      re the future relevancy of the librarian
14:55 reiveune     bye
15:06 oleonard     Re-adding the maxreserves system preference seems like a step backwards to me. Bug 4045.
15:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
15:17 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10687: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b8f716ccfe930603db74d290edee488d431c311> / Bug 10687: (follow-up) remove authority 68a/68b tags from translated MARC21 framework... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1c5d280f67a632ab9e1fdd32cf4967c3de6fdd6> / Bug 10687: Delete erroneous tags 68a and 68b on default MARC21 auth framework <http://git.k
15:21 gmcharlt     oleonard: agreed
15:22 oleonard     ...not that I can offer a better solution
15:22 * gmcharlt   would rather see somebody take up kf's suggestion of making an equivalent to the Total current checkouts allowed functionality rather than (re)add a global limit
15:23 gmcharlt     IOW, a better solution was proposed but apparently ignored
15:23 gmcharlt     though possibily better yet would be carving out a separate 'holdrules' set of tables so that issuingrules doesn't end up doing too much
15:24 kf           gmcharlt: we need to split things up there - i agree
15:24 kf           it's not really easy to handle, I end up loading the rules with sql all the time
15:25 kf           because too worreid about making mistakes using the interface
15:25 kf           and they are hard to spot
15:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #121 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:45 ebegin       Anybody knows what are the field for main author in Unimarc ? The equivalence of MARC fields 100, 110 and 111  ?
15:46 ebegin       I guess fredericd knows that :)
15:47 oleonard     Anyone else find that after checking in an item with a hold, clicking "Print and confirm" pops up a window that says "reserve not found?"
15:48 gmcharlt     oleonard: ick.  in master, just now?
15:48 oleonard     Yes
15:48 kf           oleonard: do you have the slip configrued?
15:48 kf           oleonard: i had once problems with that
15:49 oleonard     kf: RESERVESLIP ?
15:49 kf           yep
15:49 gmcharlt     ebegin: the equivalents appear to be the 700/1/ and the 710/1/2,
15:49 kf           at least I think so
15:49 * gmcharlt   <== not UNIMARC expert
15:49 oleonard     My tests show it's a side-effect of Bug 9394
15:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9394 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Use reserve_id where possible
15:50 oleonard     ...says git bisect, so unless the slip configuration issue is connected somehow I don't think that's it.
15:53 ebegin       thanks gmcharlt. We are fixing the bibtex export to include 1XX : bug 6201
15:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry
15:56 kf           oleonard: guess there had to be one
15:56 kf           oleonard: i was totall ymissing the slip as it hadn't been installed for german - so if you have one it should be unrealted
15:58 gmcharlt     oleonard: I'll have a patch for you to look at in the next five minutes or so
16:01 kf           it's scary to try and figure out where the small icons in the result list come from..
16:01 kf           and detail and result list do it differently
16:02 kf           I am trying to answer a question on the german mailing list
16:02 kf           do LDR, 008 and 007 sound right?
16:03 jcamins      Yes.
16:04 kf           jcamins++ for both the patch and the answr :)
16:17 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #121: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/121/
16:17 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10687: Delete erroneous tags 68a and 68b on default MARC21 auth framework
16:17 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10687: (follow-up) remove authority 68a/68b tags from translated MARC21 framework scripts
16:17 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10687: DBRev
16:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10687 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Delete erroneous tags 68a and 68b on default MARC21 auth framework
16:20 gmcharlt     oleonard: bug 10949
16:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip
16:21 oleonard     gmcharlt++
16:35 * oleonard   goes back to trying to reproduce bug 10843
16:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10843 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , print a slip can cause an error
16:39 * oleonard   managed to do it once, but now can't
16:57 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10730: (follow-up) restore background color for cells <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40a150f94e263ff72da3994612a528a888e9c8e6> / Bug 10730: Use DataTables on the tag review page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57793b4548514baf5b17652fa99cc8a00df3a4f4>
17:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #122 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:12 kf           bye all :)
17:19 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
17:19 mtompset     I was running the qa-tool on a series of patches I was testing, so I forgot how many patches were applies, so I just decided to use the number 10.
17:20 mtompset     I got a qa-tools fail on bug 10730 which was pushed to master. Nothing horrible, just a white space issue.
17:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10730 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on the tag review page
17:45 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #122: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/122/
17:45 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10730: Use DataTables on the tag review page
17:45 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10730: (follow-up) restore background color for cells
17:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10730 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on the tag review page
18:03 cait         fredericd++ (fixing cart and list email)
18:06 tcohen       anyone interested in havving fun testing? bug 10003
18:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
18:28 chris_n      wow, we've been beating around about the PDF/unicode issue for over four years now
18:28 * chris_n    sure hopes we can get on with embedding ttf fonts now
18:43 * gmcharlt   would not be opposed to an interim solution that just the paths to the fonts in koha-conf.xml or the like
18:43 gmcharlt     more configurability can come later
18:43 gmcharlt     *sticks the paths
18:50 pastebot     "tcohen" at pasted "If we don't get to publish the l10n packages in time..." (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/230
18:56 oleonard     Why do I see a mix of item types and collection codes under the item type facet on search results?
18:59 oleonard     Does anyone else get that?
19:01 * oleonard   wonders if his data is messed up somehow
19:11 cait         oleonard: not sure really
19:11 cait         i had problems with the location facet recently
19:11 cait         does that show for you?
19:12 oleonard     shelving location?
19:12 wahanui      shelving location is now in italic underneath the library name.
19:12 cait         oleonard: yes
19:13 oleonard     No
19:14 cait         bug?
19:14 wahanui      bug is probably it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
19:15 oleonard     Or is the location facet only supposed to show if you're in SingleBranchMode?
19:16 cait         oleonard: it used to be like that... but i thought i had tested a patch recently that changed it
19:16 cait         maybe it's still in galen's queue
19:28 oleonard     Bye #koha
19:50 chris_n      gmcharlt: +1
19:51 chris_n      and it should default to using the built-in fonts
19:51 chris_n      that way if a user does not want to install ttf, there's no need to
20:21 mtompset     How do I change the marcflavor in my koha system?
20:22 mtompset     Is it possible to have mixed marc data in Koha?
20:24 cait         no
20:25 mtompset     Okay... does someone have some UNIMARC database that I can use for testing?
20:26 mtompset     It seems to be the only way to completely test well the bug I really want in.
20:27 cait         there is one in the sandbox git repo i think
20:34 mtompset     what is the url for the sandbox git repo?
20:34 cait         it's on the normal repo
20:59 bag          oh man rangi Team USA wins the cups
21:00 wizzyrea     shh no talking.
21:03 ibeardslee   bag: well Team Oracle .. wasn't there only the one USAian on the boat?
21:03 cait         not talking about that?
21:04 bag          yeah sorry Team Oracle
21:04 bag          8-1 deficit come back too
21:05 gmcharlt     that does it
21:06 gmcharlt     NZ clearly has to field Team PostgreSQL/MariaDB next time
21:06 mtompset     what cups?
21:06 gmcharlt     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Cup
21:08 wizzyrea     *snicker* http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/62231593540/someone-calls-it-koha-on-the-list-kohails
21:14 jeff         CGI.pm-- for inaccurate documentation and annoying assumptions about application/xml :P
21:15 wizzyrea     be rangi
21:15 wahanui      Send a patch!
21:15 cait         be wizzyrea
21:15 wahanui      do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism?
21:16 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:19 bag          s/cups/cup :P
21:20 rambutan     How can you lose 8 straight? How?
21:23 wizzyrea     technology
21:24 mtompset     Has anyone here every done a UNIMARC install?
21:25 mtompset     ^every^ever^
21:25 cait         yes, you just pick the other things when running makefile
21:25 mtompset     I'm actually about to set up my own UNIMARC Koha.
21:25 mtompset     I'm going to attempt to set it up like Biblibre's UNIMARC demo.
21:26 mtompset     Because it seems like the only way to thoroughly test this patch is to use it under MARC21 and UNIMARC.
21:27 mtompset     And I want this patch.
21:27 mtompset     bug 6874
21:27 wahanui      i heard bug 6874 was epic
21:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
21:33 * gmcharlt   sees nothing in that patch that requires a MARC21 user to deal with a UNIMARC installation in order to legimitately sign off
21:33 gmcharlt     IOW, you can save yourself some work
21:39 mtompset     yes, but I don't like to sign off, unless I have really tested it.
21:40 mtompset     And C4::Biblio's 6th change deals with an ELSE case that requires a different MARC flavour.
21:41 gmcharlt     it's nice if you want to make the effort -- but there is /no/ implicit or explicit requirement that you do so
21:41 mtompset     It's a matter of thoroughness.
21:41 mtompset     If *I* am thorough, then QA's job is easier.
21:43 mtompset     not to mention... there are quite a few UNIMARC patches untested and not signed off, because of a lack of UNIMARC testers.
21:43 mtompset     The thoroughness for this bug has potential for handling others.
21:54 eythian      hi.
21:56 wizzyrea     I approve of testing unimarc patches. Might want to get with a unimarc user so you know how to test it.
21:57 mtompset     In this case, I don't need to get with a unimarc user as much as I need unimarc data to trigger a couple cases related to a code change.
21:57 mtompset     which means I need a unimarc koha installation.
22:03 rangi        http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/09/data-broker-giants-hacked-by-id-theft-service/  <-- apropos yesterdays discussion
22:04 cait         morning rangi
22:04 rangi        hey cait
22:04 wizzyrea     I meant for the other unimarc patches
22:04 wizzyrea     morning rangi
22:07 wizzyrea     eep
22:16 tweetbot_    [off] @tomasitonone: "Koha Dev Reactions http://t.co/w8FkpLTNQa"
22:19 rambutan     https://konklone.com/post/switch-to-https-now-for-free
22:20 wizzyrea     ^^^ this
22:20 wahanui      ^^^ this is it, thanks
22:21 wizzyrea     haha that dev reaction also apt for "Someone deleted all of the intranetuserjs on the day before go-live"
22:25 cait         wizzyrea: the action_logs are great for that :)
22:26 wizzyrea     http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/7192012022625v7.gif
22:26 wizzyrea     :)
22:26 wizzyrea     hehe yea that's what I did. :)
23:30 mtompset     Greetings, twirlip papa dcook tcohen NateC. :)
23:30 NateC        :)
23:30 * dcook      waves
23:48 FORMAL       hello
23:48 wahanui      hello, FORMAL
23:48 FORMAL       hi
23:48 FORMAL       what is koha?
23:48 wahanui      somebody said koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
23:48 FORMAL       wahanui, you a bot?
23:48 wahanui      bugger all, i dunno, formal
23:48 FORMAL       you are
23:56 eythian      wahanui: \are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc
23:56 wahanui      OK, eythian.
23:56 eythian      are you a bot?
23:56 wahanui      http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc
23:57 mtompset     Where do you find this stuff, eythian?!
23:58 eythian      How do you not know Basshunter? This track was all over the internet in 2008 or so.
23:58 FORMAL       mmm
23:58 mtompset     I was in the Philippines.
23:58 FORMAL       i came because i saw a log about quant finance
23:58 mtompset     Following music on the internet was not my focus.
23:58 FORMAL       from this channel
23:58 FORMAL       who works on quant finance here?
23:59 gmcharlt     very likely nobody; Koha is software for libraries
23:59 mtompset     quant finance?! I have never heard of that either.
23:59 FORMAL       lol
23:59 FORMAL       software
23:59 wahanui      software is wrong, not the people >.>
23:59 FORMAL       what kind of software?
23:59 FORMAL       wahanui shut up you robot
23:59 wahanui      FORMAL: i'm not following you...