Time  Nick                Message
00:01 wizzyrea            well she introduced herself as camille ^.^
00:03 jcamins             Yep, that's her.
00:33 drojf               [off] for the kohacon 2014 voting, should there be an email field to fill in (which won't be validated) or something? or do we just take all the clicks that people feel like doing? they could enter fake addresses or real aliases anyway
00:33 wizzyrea            what is with the offing!
00:34 drojf               [off] i'm a secret guy :P
00:35 drojf               [off] and you look weird in the logs for talking to yourself all day :D
00:35 dcook               [off] Bahahaha
00:35 wizzyrea            I woulnd't look weird if you all weren't obsessed with off.
00:35 wizzyrea            why shouldn't the discussion be in the log?
00:35 wizzyrea            that kind of ruins the idea of transparency.
00:38 jcamins             Yeah, but it also protects Koha from being associated with some rather extreme (and unpopular) attitudes.
00:39 wizzyrea            mmm the truth is hard sometimes.
00:40 jcamins             It is. But I don't have the right to put it in your mouth.
00:41 wizzyrea            well I wasn't specifically referring to the stuff YOU were talking about
00:41 wizzyrea            more drojf :P
00:41 wizzyrea            and the email question
00:41 dcook               :O
00:41 dcook               drojf: You've been outed!
00:41 dcook               outted?
00:42 dcook               outed
00:42 dcook               That almost looks like it can't be a real word...
00:42 * dcook             is going to remember it for the next time he plays Scrabble though
00:42 wizzyrea            I get wanting to not log your unpopular opinions.
00:43 wizzyrea            but asking a question about voting probably deserves to be logged.
00:43 wizzyrea            because offing looks like you're trying to hide something.
00:44 wizzyrea            clearly mine is the unpopular opinion. So I'll just leave you to your offing.
00:45 dcook               Actually, I agree with you, wizzyrea
00:45 dcook               About it being a question deserving of logging
00:45 dcook               Not that your opinion is unpopular :p
00:45 drojf               i understand what you're saying and i think you are right. anyway it is almost 3am and it did not help me at all with the actual question so i'll rather go to bed
00:46 dcook               Personally, as for the answer to the question, no idea
00:46 wizzyrea            yea, idk
00:46 dcook               If people want to "cheat", they're going to do it one way or another?
00:46 wizzyrea            about the question anyway
00:46 wizzyrea            3am is way too late
00:46 wizzyrea            go to bed :)
00:46 drojf               full moon :/
00:47 wizzyrea            oh man, yea. good luck.
00:47 wizzyrea            i haven't slept well in 3 days now, presumably because of the full moon.
00:47 drojf               i was up until 5 or 6 last night
00:47 wizzyrea            ^ there is actually some research that shows even if you don't know the moon is full, sleep is disrupted
00:48 wizzyrea            or if you can't see the moon.
00:49 drojf               i think i saw it for 10 seconds two nights ago. don't know if that is the reason but i guess it would have worked without that like it did not :D
00:49 dcook               My wife bought me an $80 pillow. I've been sleeping like a baby.
00:49 dcook               Or a baby that sleeps well...which I did...as a baby...
00:49 eythian             wahanui: kiwi is http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/prime-minister-eats-kiwi-just-to-make-sure-were-not-missing-out-on-anything/
00:49 wahanui             ...but kiwi is the bird it takes it name from...
00:49 eythian             wahanui: kiwi is also http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/prime-minister-eats-kiwi-just-to-make-sure-were-not-missing-out-on-anything/
00:49 wahanui             okay, eythian.
00:49 * dcook             didn't know that people thought the full moon disrupted sleep?
00:50 dcook               Which is perhaps why it's never disrupted my sleep?
00:50 wizzyrea            I have been noticing this my whole life.
00:50 wizzyrea            before I even knew it was a thing
00:50 wizzyrea            I just thought I didn't sleep well sometimes for no good reason.
00:50 wizzyrea            but if I keep track, it happens that I sleep not well more often when there is a full moon.
00:51 dcook               Hmm
00:51 wizzyrea            it sounds crazy!
00:51 dcook               It does sound crazy
00:51 wizzyrea            it sounds like pseudoscience!
00:51 dcook               Next time I don't sleep well, I'll try to remember to log it
00:51 dcook               It's usually back pain
00:51 dcook               Or I'm too hot
00:51 wizzyrea            there are lots of reasons to not sleep well.
00:52 dcook               Possibly emotional stuff but I don't have that many emotions so not that :p
00:52 wizzyrea            kek
00:52 * dcook             used to have the occasional nightmare during undergrad about not having good enough essays
00:52 drojf               i have a long history of bad sleep and if i know it is full moon i blame that. else i blame other things. :D
00:52 dcook               hehe
00:53 drojf               but i'll give it a try. good night #koha :)
01:30 mtompset            okay... I'm still confused... http://paste.koha-community.org/222 -- My debian VM fails, but my ubuntu VM works?
01:31 mtompset            Okay... I must have broken something in C4::Circulation somehow?!
01:39 mtompset            ARG!
01:39 mtompset            The setenv mess.
01:41 dcook               That'll get ya
02:08 mtompset            YAY! My patch found a bug in a test.
02:08 mtompset            my ($usernum, $userid, $usercnum, $userfirstname, $usersurname, $userbranch, $branchname, $userflags, $emailaddress, $branchprinter, $persona)= @_;
02:09 mtompset            C4::Context->set_userenv(1,'kmkale' , 1, 'kk1' , 'IMS', 0, 'kmkale@anantcorp.com');
02:09 mtompset            without the shift, IMS is the branchcode.
02:09 mtompset            with the shift, 0 is the branchcode.
02:10 mtompset            the parameters in the call don't match the parameters in the parameters in the function.
02:11 dcook               True that
02:11 dcook               Those parameters could be worded a bit nicer too..
02:12 eythian             that's a terrible way of returning a set of values
02:12 mtompset            It's C4::Context, what do you expect? :)
02:12 eythian             oh, not returning
02:13 eythian             providing.
02:13 eythian             Still terrible :)
02:13 eythian             yeah
02:13 eythian             I'd replace it with a hash (though really it should probably be an object or something.)
02:14 dcook               Mmm, a hash would be nicer
02:15 mtompset            I was just thinking that.
02:15 eythian             as a basic guide, I tend to think that if there are more than 3 arguments, you should probably do it some other way.
02:15 eythian             situationally dependent, of course.
02:15 dcook               Sounds like a good guide
02:15 jcamins             hashref, please.
02:15 mtompset            because too many parameters makes for harder debugging.
02:16 dcook               Yes, totes hashref
02:16 jcamins             That's what eythian means by replacing it with a hash, actually.
02:16 eythian             hashref is more traditional, yeah.
02:16 mtompset            We know... ref is another 3 characters. :P
02:16 dcook               I was wondering about hashrefs the other day..
02:16 eythian             well, you can use either, but hashref is more standard.
02:17 dcook               So you can have a hash than create a hashref from it
02:17 dcook               But you can also define a hashref from the start without having an original hash
02:17 eythian             dcook: sure can
02:17 dcook               Why is that?
02:17 eythian             $hashref = { a => 'b', c => 'd' };
02:17 dcook               Yeah. That.
02:18 eythian             %hash = ( a => 'b', c => 'd' );
02:18 rangi               you are making a hash, and a ref to it in one go
02:18 dcook               But if it's a reference...does that mean that it makes a hash at the same time as it makes the reference?
02:18 dcook               Mmm, k
02:18 rangi               both of them make a hash
02:18 eythian             oh, I though you were asking a question there
02:18 dcook               I figured that had to be the case
02:18 rangi               %$hashref
02:18 rangi               gets you the hash
02:18 rangi               my %hash = %$hashref;
02:18 dcook               Yeah, dereferencing hashrefs was...interesting
02:18 dcook               When I was first figuring it out
02:18 eythian             same as dereferencing anything else
02:18 dcook               @$arrayref
02:18 huginn`             dcook: I suck
02:19 eythian             which isn't always not non-unconfusing.
02:19 dcook               lol
02:19 cjh                 heh
02:19 dcook               eythian: I had only ever coded in PHP before Koha. If there are references in PHP, I've never seen 'em :S
02:19 dcook               Actually, now when I write in PHP, I miss Perl...
02:19 eythian             ah yeah, php hides things like I think.
02:20 wizzyrea            which isn't always not non-unconfusing - I had to read this sentence 3 times.
02:20 dcook               hehe
02:21 dcook               Actually, that totally explains my first encounter with references
02:55 mtompset            question: if I have a biblio number of 28, and a biblioitems record matching with biblioitemnumber=28, should I not have an items record with biblionumber=28 or biblioitemnumber=28?
02:56 jcamins             mtompset: sure, if your bib has items.
02:56 dcook               ^^
02:57 mtompset            and if you delete an item, the items record would basically move to the deleteditems table?
02:58 eythian             yeah
02:59 mtompset            without touching biblioitems?
03:04 mtompset            Is there a way to batch delete biblios with no items?
03:05 eythian             not in the UI, but you can make a report that'll find them.
03:05 eythian             well, you can delete them using the output of that report.
03:18 dcook               Delete them manually?
03:18 dcook               mtompset: I think we have a PHP script that clears out bib records with no items
03:18 mtompset            Anyways... next question. :)
03:19 dcook               Although I think it's a bit dangerous
03:19 wizzyrea            eythian: isn't there a script to do that in the migration tools?
03:19 mtompset            Okay, I have a patch to fix the calling convention to set_userenv.
03:19 eythian             hmm. Maybe.
03:19 wizzyrea            I have this weird feeling that there is a tool for that
03:19 eythian             there's a lot of scripts in there.
03:19 wizzyrea            *nod* I'll check
03:19 mtompset            When I fixed this, it busted t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t
03:20 wizzyrea            mtompset: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/61012696259/fixed-a-bug-introduced-a-bug-kohails
03:20 mtompset            The calling convention was right, but the functions parameters (as shown before) were wrong.
03:20 mtompset            Do I fix it in the same bug, or a different bug?
03:22 eythian             probably as another patch on the same bug
03:24 mtompset            so a multipatch fix on the same bug... okay.
03:25 eythian             especially if your stuff needs that to work right, but it's probably too small of a thing to warrant its own ticket.
03:30 mtompset            How do you git bz 2 commits?
03:30 dcook               I think it says in the wiki
03:30 wizzyrea            ^
03:30 wizzyrea            towards the bottom
03:31 dcook               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Attaching_patches
03:31 dcook               I think I usually use something like HEAD~1..HEAD
03:32 dcook               Although I guess HEAD~1^ would probably work
03:32 * dcook             can't remember the particular differences between ~ and ^ in relation to ancestors and such..
03:33 mtompset            And now I am realizing why I like tiny single patches.
03:33 eythian             just use HEAD
03:33 eythian             or you can do HEAD^.. for the previous two
03:34 eythian             ^ just means "previous", so you can do HEAD^^^^
03:34 eythian             oh, or ^3
03:34 dcook               What does ~ mean then?
03:35 eythian             I don't know it nearly well enough to explain it.
03:36 eythian             oh actually
03:36 eythian             ^3 would be wrong
03:36 mtompset            I just used HEAD, then unobsoleted the original patch.
03:36 mtompset            and confirmed it with a git bz apply on a test branch.
03:36 eythian             ^ is the first parent, ~2 is the parent's parent.
03:37 eythian             so ~2 === ^^
03:37 eythian             but ^2 is the second parent, not the parent's parent.
03:37 mtompset            But ^^ looks happier. :)
03:37 dcook               Mmm, right, that's it
03:38 dcook               So HEAD~2 is head's parent's parent
03:38 eythian             yeah
03:38 eythian             following the first parent only
03:39 dcook               So what would HEAD~^ be?
03:39 dcook               Ack
03:39 eythian             nothing
03:39 dcook               HEAD~2^
03:39 eythian             I think
03:39 jcamins             dcook: typo?
03:39 dcook               jcamins: :p
03:39 eythian             the parent of the second parent
03:39 wizzyrea            step-grandparent?
03:39 wizzyrea            j/k
03:39 wizzyrea            j/k
03:39 wizzyrea            j/k
03:39 jcamins             wizzyrea: once-removed.
03:39 dcook               But HEAD~2^.. is supposed to be a range of 3 patches
03:40 dcook               Head, head's parent, head's parent's parent
03:40 wizzyrea            step-great-grandparent
03:40 eythian             yeah, that sounds about right.
03:40 jcamins             Yeah, you're right. Great-grandparents.
03:41 wizzyrea            now the word parent looks weird to me
03:41 jcamins             Or, great-grandparent.
03:41 eythian             no step though, it's not chronological. Many people have two parents.
03:41 jcamins             It's just one.
03:42 wizzyrea            i know I was being not-funny
03:42 * jcamins           laughed.
03:42 wizzyrea            har har
03:42 * wizzyrea          was imagining this screwed up family
03:42 wizzyrea            relations all over the place!
03:42 wizzyrea            in every sense of the word "relations
03:42 wizzyrea            "
03:43 dcook               I was just thinking that, wizzyrea :p
03:43 dcook               Oh my...
03:43 eythian             https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1bWGM1YK_mA/UjtbGDBXNzI/AAAAAAAARcU/wdZdBpKHJZU/s500-no/1235256_661297993903107_233666193_n.jpg <-- wizzyrea
03:43 * dcook             has seen some odd Git diagrams...
03:43 wizzyrea            ^ like that family
03:43 * dcook             loves that image
03:44 eythian             except git is just a directed acyclic graph, so that makes it easy.
03:44 dcook               It would be tough to find the Doctor situation in Git
03:45 dcook               When specifying a range of commits...I think you have to specify the one above the one you're including?
03:45 jcamins             dcook: yes.
03:45 jcamins             Well... usually.
03:45 dcook               So HEAD~2^ would actually be head, head's parent, head's parent's parent, head's parent's parent's parent
03:45 dcook               And the range just takes the first three
03:46 dcook               Which means the wiki is slightly wrong then
03:46 dcook               Well, not in the HEAD~2^ example
03:46 dcook               Actually, no
03:46 dcook               It's not
03:46 dcook               HEAD~2..HEAD, HEAD~commitid..HEAD might be misleading
03:46 dcook               But they're not necessarily wrong
03:47 jcamins             We have HEAD~2^ on the wiki?
03:48 dcook               "If you know you've 3 patches to attach, you can also use HEAD~2^.. to attach the 3 patches at once"
03:49 eythian             git bz doesn't require specifying the commit above in general
03:49 eythian             git format-patch, however, does.
03:49 eythian             I don't know why it's not consistent
03:49 dcook               <rev1>..<rev2>
03:49 dcook               Include commits that are reachable from <rev2> but exclude those that are reachable from <rev1>.
03:49 dcook               But it seems to me that it also excludes <rev1>
03:50 mtompset            And that is why I like single patches. Too much HEAD-y stuffs.
03:50 dcook               B..C             C
03:50 dcook               Makes sense I guess
03:50 dcook               mtompset: But wouldn't you rather know how it works
03:50 dcook               Than limit yourself to single patches?
03:51 wizzyrea            HEAD. Relations. It's getting hot in here.
03:51 dcook               We haven't even talked about the hunks yet, wizzyrea. Calm down.
03:51 dcook               :p
03:51 wizzyrea            *snicker*
03:52 mtompset            I'd rather it work in a way that is intuitive and obvious. It isn't.
03:52 dcook               But don't you enjoy being a master of the arcane and esoteric?!
03:53 mtompset            Only occasionally... Not always.
03:53 wizzyrea            you probably only need a really good short class on git.
03:53 mtompset            Not when I want it to just work.
03:53 wizzyrea            then it will just work.
03:53 dcook               ^^
03:54 dcook               Git seemed a bit imposing when I first started using it, but it's pretty sweet
03:54 dcook               Like wizzyrea is saying, once you get the hang of it, you can rattle off commands without realizing it
03:54 wizzyrea            you can also find yourself having 2 hour arguments with it.
03:54 dcook               wizzyrea: I'm headed to the beach in 5 minutes :p
03:55 wizzyrea            No, Git! NO!
03:55 wizzyrea            Bad git!
03:55 dcook               Ah, "with" it
03:55 wizzyrea            are you now.
03:55 dcook               I just meant I'm leaving the discussion..
03:55 wizzyrea            it is decidedly not beach weather here
03:55 dcook               Wife got off work early and the boss is letting me out
03:55 wizzyrea            @wunder nzwn
03:55 huginn`             wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
03:55 dcook               @wunder sydney, australia
03:55 huginn`             dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (1:30 PM EST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
03:55 wizzyrea            hm, temp is ok
03:55 wizzyrea            but the sky is not beachy.
03:55 dcook               Too bad my swimmers are in my gym bag
03:56 dcook               mashed potato clouds and blue sky
03:56 dcook               Hmm, a bit windy though..
03:57 wizzyrea            scattered clouds my ass. Try "touching the treetops" clouds.
03:58 dcook               lol
03:58 wizzyrea            try "gonna rain at any second" clouds.
04:00 mtompset            Interesting pondering: why does reference to one's bottom express disbelief?
04:00 mtompset            @wunder l7e 5y5
04:00 huginn`             mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is 16.1°C (12:00 AM EDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:00 dcook               Hmm
04:02 wizzyrea            everyone's butt is broken. It's got a crack in it.
04:02 dcook               http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/my-arse
04:03 dcook               I like how it says "offensive" under "my arse!"
04:03 dcook               Anyway, time to not get sand everywhere
04:03 dcook               Ta all
04:03 mtompset            Bye, d--
04:04 mtompset            So a crack signifies disbelief?
04:05 * mtompset          shrugs, and considers going to bed.
04:12 mtompset            Are we supposed to advocate for our bugs on the channel?
04:12 wizzyrea            That's fine, but probably a terrible time to :)
04:13 wizzyrea            as late friday and most of the rest of the world is in late evening/late night/early morning
04:13 mtompset            True... it is likely lunch somewhere. :)
04:13 mtompset            I'll wait until 9/23 ;)
04:14 mtompset            Have a great day, #koha.
04:14 * mtompset          waves bye to wizzyrea.
06:10 * Kaptein_Sabeltann waves
06:12 magnuse             awww... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals
06:36 reiveune            hello
06:42 magnuse             bonjour
06:42 magnuse             @wunder boo
06:42 huginn`             magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:42 magnuse             @wunder marseille
06:42 huginn`             magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:42 magnuse             hah! ;-)
06:44 sophie_m            yes, but the wind is down today the temperature wil increase magnuse :-)
06:46 magnuse             and we can expect lots and lots of rain, so i'm just bragging while i can :-)
06:50 alex_a              bonjour
06:50 wahanui             what's up, alex_a
07:06 gaetan_B            hello!
08:36 drojf               good morning #koha
09:16 tweetbot_           [off] @shangueh: "On vient de passer #KohaILS de v3.8.5 à v3.8.17, on essuie les plâtres mais pour le moment rien de grave."
09:43 magnuse             has anyone tried importing marcXchange data with bulkmarcimport.pl?
10:06 random_wind         Would anyone know if the rebuild_zebra script is redundant in 3.12?
10:06 random_wind         I ask because it seems my indexes are updating with running this!?
10:06 random_wind         -without running!
10:07 magnuse             random_wind: you need that script to update zebra when records are updated
10:07 magnuse             how did you install? using the packages?
10:08 random_wind         installed from pacakges. My indexes are updating with running this script though - it is strange.
10:08 random_wind         add, remove or mod bib/item and it will reflect in Koha
10:08 random_wind         opac and staff
10:09 rangi               thats because the packages set up rebuild_zebra to run as a cron job
10:09 random_wind         only process running is koha-common spawned processes?
10:09 random_wind         under which user?
10:09 random_wind         No user on the system has any crontab setup
10:09 rangi               it wont
10:09 rangi               look in /etc/cron.d/koha-common
10:10 random_wind         sneaky!
10:10 random_wind         at least that explains it!
10:10 random_wind         Thanks @rangi
10:11 random_wind         although, this seems like an odd thing to do!
10:11 rangi               nope
10:12 rangi               its a very standard thing to do
10:13 rangi               look in /etc/cron.daily you'll see things like apache and logrotate do the same thing
10:14 rangi               Packages must not modify the configuration file /etc/crontab, and they must not modify the files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs.
10:14 rangi               If a package wants to install a job that has to be executed via cron, it should place a file named as specified in Cron job file names, Section 9.5.1 into one or more of the following directories:
10:14 rangi               /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly /etc/cron.monthly
10:15 rangi               http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html
10:15 random_wind         It's confusing regarding the permission on the zebra indexes though, isn't it?
10:15 rangi               no
10:16 random_wind         right. Before packages (using the tar install) Zebra used to have to run as the koha user, not as root.
10:16 random_wind         all my zeb indexes are owned by root
10:16 rangi               yes but the packages support multiple users
10:16 rangi               and multiple sites
10:17 random_wind         Sure, I appreciate that.  Still not sure I like the permission changes though!
10:17 rangi               mine aren't they are owned by the instance owner
10:18 rangi               ls -l /var/lib/koha/persona
10:18 rangi               drwxr-xr-x 6 persona-koha persona-koha 4096 Jun 10  2012 authorities
10:18 rangi               drwxr-xr-x 6 persona-koha persona-koha 4096 Jun 10  2012 biblios
10:18 random_wind         instance owner:instance owner ?
10:18 drojf               if they are owned by root you broke them already :p
10:18 rangi               yep
10:18 random_wind         hum.....strange.
10:18 random_wind         did a straight forward package install though!
10:18 rangi               installed koha-common then did a koha-create right?
10:19 random_wind         yeah, as per the docs.
10:19 random_wind         Ubuntu 12.10
10:19 rangi               not sure what you did, but there is no way they should be owned as root
10:19 rangi               koha-rebuild-zebra does sudo -u "$instancename-koha"
10:20 rangi               ie, runs as your instance user (for each of your instances)
10:20 random_wind         Yeah, that is why I though. Just as an aside. If the cron is run by root how does it assume the instance user to update their files?
10:20 rangi               i just pasted how
10:21 rangi               what is in /var/lib/koha  for you?
10:21 random_wind         Nothing, doesn't exist
10:22 rangi               so where are your zebra indexes then?
10:22 random_wind         Unfortunatley I need to run......however, I am pretty sure (as I would say you are!) that I have done something strange during the install. Thanks for clearing up the cron job!
10:23 rangi               heh
10:24 drojf               huh? :D
10:24 rangi               yeah, i wonder what docs
10:25 drojf               i think "that blog" has instructions for 12.10 :/
10:25 rangi               cos if you have no /var/lib/koha ... something odd is going on
10:26 drojf               yeah that sounds very strange
10:26 rangi               ah well maybe they learnt something about packaging rules at least :)
10:26 drojf               heh :D
10:26 rangi               right time for sleep
10:26 drojf               good night rangi
10:26 * drojf             hits the shower
11:13 magnuse             kia ora khall
11:26 khall               hey magnuse!
11:26 wahanui             rumour has it magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza
12:00 rsm                 =>i need to develop pdf format reports in koha any help??
12:02 rsm                 hi there can u help me regarding some pdf reports in koha
12:07 nengard             rsm that would be a new feature for Koha - a development is needed. Right now it just generates CSV files or HTML or reports.
12:08 magnuse             but you could take the csv, open it in e.g. LibreOffice and produce pdf from that
12:14 rsm                 ok but can we built a button to generate pdf reports
12:18 oleonard            Hi #koha
12:21 nengard             rsm anything is possible ... if you develop it or have a developer you can ask to create that feature for you :)
12:22 nengard             morning oleonard
12:31 Pablo               Hi all!
12:34 Pablo               I'm using koha-common, v3.12. I already install (I was expecting to add libkoha-contrib-tamil-perl as dependency) but even I follow wiki instructions, I keep getting:
12:35 Pablo               [....] Starting Koha indexing daemon (koha):Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha)
12:35 Pablo               Even I use --user INSTANCE-koha, or --conf as man says, or --config or -C as output says
12:36 Pablo               of cource service koha-index-daemon start -C /etc/koha/sites/INSTANCE/koha-conf.xml
12:37 Pablo               Someone could bypass this error...?
12:38 tweetbot_           [off] @oleonard: "Coming to KohaCon13? Add your travel info here http://t.co/dtAuWheoo4 #KohaILS"
12:41 Pablo               Also stoped zebra: koha-stop-zebra INSTANCE
12:45 jcamins             Pablo: the instructions on the wiki are wrong. They don't make any sense.
12:45 jcamins             Well... I think maybe they make sense if you did a standard install.
12:46 jcamins             But if you do a package install or a git install (the more common options, since those are appropriate for production and development, respectively), the instructions won't work.
12:48 Pablo               jcamins: So you think I wont be able to enjoy koha-index-deaemon, even I'm using v3.12? :( The strange thing is I can't set the correct user, even I use the --user option...
12:48 jcamins             Pablo: it's not quite as easy as the instructions make it sound.
12:49 jcamins             Bug 8773
12:49 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
12:49 jcamins             ^^ this patch adds a script that works much better.
12:51 jcamins             If you don't want to build your own packages (which you could absolutely do!), you could get copy the koha-indexer script out of that.
12:51 jcamins             If you look at that script, you'll see it correctly handles users, etc.
12:57 mtompset            Greetings, #koha.
13:02 Pablo               jcamins: Thank you, I'll try to make it run with that patch, or wait to 3.13 perhaps. Thank you!
13:02 mtompset            3.14
13:03 mtompset            Even numbers are releases. 3.13 is the current master.
13:10 tcohen              morning #koha
13:16 mtompset            Greetings, tcohen.
13:17 mtompset            Or should I say tcohen_?
13:17 tcohen              who's tcohen_ anyway?
13:18 tcohen              what's the meaning of the second date on "arrivals and departures" wiki?
13:19 oleonard            The date you added the information
13:19 tcohen              thanks oleonard
13:19 oleonard            I'm not sure why that is necessary, but I followed the example of the others
13:23 magnuse             the date after the name gets added if you "sign" with the magical --~~~~ thingy
13:24 mtompset            magical what thingy?!
13:25 * oleonard          waves his magic wand ineffectually
13:28 tcohen              magical wand?
13:29 oleonard            magnuse: What is this magic of which you speak?
13:30 magnuse             if you write the string "--~~~~" anywhere in the wiki it will be replaced with your wiki username and the datatime you saved the page
13:30 magnuse             s/datatime/date and time/
13:30 oleonard            Magical.
13:31 magnuse             yup
13:32 magnuse             there is a button for it too
13:32 magnuse             second one from the right, when you edit a page
13:33 magnuse             "Your signature with timestamp"
13:33 magnuse             hooray for bug 7813
13:33 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7813 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add ability to delete local cover images
13:37 * magnuse           calls it a week and waits impatiently for the time to be right for making pizza
13:42 khall               question, what is the Koha SIP2 server expecting as a message terminator? LF, CR, CRLF, or does it not matter?
13:46 * mtompset          groans.
13:46 mtompset            qw vs. q problem, not an sql syntax problem.
13:56 tcohen              @later tell eythian about bug 10624, it must be some typo around, i'll check it
13:56 huginn`             tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:10 slef                hi everyone. Anyone had problem with constraint `aqbudgetborrowers_ibfk_2` foreign key (`borrowernumber`) references `borrowers` (`borrowernumber`)?
14:11 slef                khall: OTTOMH I can't remember. Looked at the code?
14:11 mtompset            Not that I recall. Sorry.
14:11 khall               slef: I figured it out. It wasn't Koha, it was me ; )
14:11 khall               I was expecting the wrong record separator
14:11 khall               when I thought I was *sending* the wrong one
14:12 slef                mtompset: hrm. I'm getting the "ERROR 1005...(errno: 150)" problem on upgrade on one library.
14:15 slef                the underlying error is "Cannot resolve table name close to: (`borrowernumber`)"
14:15 slef                which is just wrong, as it's pretty obviously borrowers, isn't it?
14:19 slef                Hmmm, which list to email about it - koha or koha-devel?
14:27 slef                Hey, borrowers in this database is MyISAM. Should it be? Can that break foreign keys?  Except I've other tables with the same constraint already :-/
14:28 oleonard            slef: borrowers is InnoDB in my test system, FWIW
14:30 slef                oleonard: this library has upgraded from Version: $TheArk including before I worked there.
14:31 slef                Anyone remember how to convert a MyISAM table to an InnoDB one?  STFW now
14:32 slef                ALTER TABLE tablename ORDER BY 'primary_key_column'; ALTER TABLE tablename ENGINE = INNODB;
14:32 oleonard            I wonder if it means the database missed an update at some point?
14:32 slef                ohhhh please no
14:34 slef                oh well after altering borrowers to innodb, it works... now to finish the upgrade... thanks oleonard
14:38 rambutan            I'll bet druthb would know all about ISAM
14:39 rambutan            that was (is?) one of the db's that Sirsi used
14:50 * mtompset          sighs, "I think I must not be looking for the right thing. Can anyone give me an idea on how to equivalently code "SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID('field');" from MySQL into a more ANSI SQL or DB agnostic method? I can't seem to get $dbh->last_insert_id to work even in a simple test case.
14:53 rambutan            oleonard: I presume we're on the same flight into RNO (from DEN)
14:53 oleonard            Oh yeah?
14:54 rambutan            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals#Arrivals
14:54 oleonard            UA295?
14:54 rambutan            no, I see you're flying in two days later
14:55 rambutan            nevermind
14:55 oleonard            Yeah, you need to put your arrival in order in the list :)
14:55 rambutan            ah, 1 min
14:57 * oleonard          isn't on circ desk after all
15:05 rambutan            oleonard: I can't read this morning :) we are on the same flight
15:08 paul_p              oleonard : I'll try to come to KohaCon with some tapenade (crushed olives, that you liked so much)
15:09 paul_p              all = on monday clrh will be back , after 4 months AFK for adding 1 human-being to our world.
15:10 oleonard            paul_p: Thanks! And congratulations to clrh!
15:10 * mtompset          continues to try to understand last_insert_id.
15:11 mtompset            Yes, crongratualtions to clrh. :)
15:11 paul_p              mtompset = it's probably easier that to understand one's wife though. Good luck
15:11 paul_p              oleonard / mtompset congratulate her on monday, I'm not involved at all with this baby ;-)
15:11 mtompset            paul_p: It's easier to use a DB specific solution that try to come up with something generic.
15:12 oleonard            rambutan: I wondered what you would find if you wanted to know what I looked like and tried to do a Google image search on my name. I see no pictures of me, but one of magnuse
15:12 rambutan            Well, I hadn't thought to google you :)
15:13 rambutan            However, at the last USA "kohacon", what did we call it back then, in Wisconsin I think, about 5 years ago....
15:14 * jcamins           knows what oleonard looks like. There's a picture from an old KohaCon.
15:14 rambutan            we had arrived at the airport, and were on the shuttle bus to the hotel, and there was a guy on there that I was just sure was gmcharlt, althought I had never seen him before
15:14 rambutan            sure enough, it was indeed
15:14 yhager              Hi, on our koha 3.10, anything we put in a non-public note (FA framework) does not get saved. It does when I use the default framework. Could this be a bug?
15:17 jcamins             yhager: my gut reaction is that you are missing a MARC-to-Koha mapping.
15:18 jcamins             we should have more marc?
15:18 jcamins             more marc?
15:18 jcamins             let's have more marc?
15:19 druthb              marc?
15:19 wahanui             marc is probably the standard that isn't
15:19 jcamins             let's use more marc?
15:19 jcamins             let's add more marc?
15:19 jcamins             how about no?
15:19 wahanui             http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/collapsing.gif
15:19 jcamins             Not the one I was looking for, but that'll do.
15:21 druthb              lol
15:22 mtompset            druthb: Glad to hear you aren't a pirate anymore.
15:23 druthb              :P
15:24 druthb              Arr?
15:24 wahanui             We're a club of tuneful rovers! We can sing in every clef! We can even hit the high notes! It's just too bad we're tone deaf! A pirate I was meant to be! Trim the sails and roam the sea!
15:24 * druthb            chuckles.
15:24 jcamins             arrrrr?
15:24 wahanui             We're a pack o' scurvy sea-dogs. Have we pity? Not a dram! We all eat roasted garlic... ...then sing from the diaphragm! A pirate I was meant to be! Trim the sails and roam the sea!
15:26 * jcamins           wonders how many people recognized the reference.
15:27 mtompset            AAAAAA! More incorrect function calls.
15:27 * mtompset          grumbles at set_userenv's outdated documentation.
15:27 oleonard            Not me jcamins
15:28 jcamins             Aww.
15:28 jcamins             It's a US-only reference, apparently, so if you don't, probably no one.
15:29 mtompset            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AawQvD8L_h4
15:29 mtompset            Is that it?
15:30 jcamins             Yep.
15:31 mtompset            Never heard of that. Sorry.
15:31 jcamins             One of my roommates in college played that game.
15:34 mtompset            *sigh* The error I found is in checkpw in C4::Auth. ARG.
15:35 yhager              jcamins: where/how do I add that mapping?
15:35 * oleonard          offers jcamins his condolences
15:36 jcamins             yhager: Koha-to-MARC mapping in the Administration section.
15:37 jcamins             Wait, no, framework editor, sorry.
15:40 * cait              waves
15:41 rambutan            waves waves
15:44 cait                Joubu++
15:47 yhager              jcamins: ok, I'll try. thanks!
15:48 cait                Joubu++ again
16:00 druthb              cait!  Cait!  CAIT!
16:00 druthb              *waves*
16:01 * cait              waves back
16:01 cait                hey :)
16:01 cait                i am back!
16:01 druthb              missed you!
16:16 cait                :)
16:19 gaetan_B            bye !
16:26 slef                mtompset: CRONgratualtions?
16:28 * oleonard          considers trying to resurrect Bug 3469
16:29 * oleonard          taps his foot and looks for huginn
16:29 cait                bug 3469
16:30 cait                and hi oleonard :)
16:30 oleonard            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3469
16:30 nengard             that's a good one
16:30 cait                oleonard: sounds good
16:30 oleonard            Considering out often my staff asks if I know a way to find out what someone's old card number was...
16:30 cait                we have been using patron attributes
16:31 cait                i tink
16:31 oleonard            Putting the old card number into a patron attribute?
16:31 cait                yes
16:32 cait                a repeatable field, copy the cardnumber and add the date
16:32 cait                or something like that
16:32 oleonard            Sounds tedious :)
16:32 cait                well it works but is not perfect :)
16:33 cait                and it doesn't happen that often
16:36 gmcharlt            @quote random
16:36 huginn              gmcharlt: Quote #195: "jcamins: libsysguy's test plans all involve sandwich-eating. I think he only programs when hungry." (added by wizzyrea at 06:12 PM, March 30, 2012)
16:37 oleonard            What was it like on the outside huginn?
16:38 * cait              waves at gmcharlt
16:38 * cait              is happy to have survived all the big events of this week :)
16:38 gmcharlt            hi cait
16:40 druthb              libsysguy is *always* hungry.
16:40 druthb              I think he's powered by a small singularity.
16:41 druthb              speak of the devil.
16:41 * libsysguy         heard someone say they had sandwiches
16:41 * libsysguy         goes to write a test plan
16:41 druthb              Second-floor break room, libsysguy.  Rising Roll today.  Not too shabby.
16:42 * jcamins           has a sandwich.
16:42 oleonard            Dang, my second-floor break room only has a week-old newspaper.
16:43 * libsysguy         already had a spicy cuban
16:43 druthb              ours has a vending machine, too, oleonard, and two refrigerators, and two Keurigs.
16:43 libsysguy           jcamins, I heard about your rye sandwiches
16:43 libsysguy           ewww
16:43 libsysguy           :p
16:44 oleonard            I'm cutting out early, #koha. Have a good weekend.
16:44 druthb              I thought about the Cuban, libsysguy, but they have a salad I just adore, so I got that instead.
16:46 libsysguy           I'll probably regret the cuban during my workout today
16:47 libsysguy           oh hey, today is a rest day
16:47 libsysguy           hbt
17:23 cait                @wunder Konstanz
17:23 huginn              cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
17:24 tweetbot_           [off] @gmcharlt: "And now doing the "first-time code contributor to #KohaILS" happy dance."
17:24 druthb              @wunder 77098
17:24 huginn              druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:24 PM CDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
17:25 rambutan            @wunder 64507
17:25 huginn              rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 18.7°C (12:25 PM CDT on September 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
17:26 druthb              We're supposed to be getting some serious rainfall tonight and tomorrow.
17:26 rambutan            We got a good rain yesterday
17:26 druthb              We got a bit overnight, but the hammer's supposed to hit late this afternoon.
17:27 rambutan            is there a tropical storm in the gulf? I haven't heard
17:27 druthb              I'm thinking I'm gonna hole up all day tomorrow.
17:27 druthb              There's an area of very low pressure over the Gulf of Campeche, but it's not yet a depression.
17:27 druthb              The front we've got coming in will keep it away from the TX coast.
17:27 rambutan            manuel I think
17:28 mtompset            yes, yes, slef. I made a typo.
17:28 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ace550530550ba72b93f34b446e681ab72024f8c>
17:28 * mtompset          removes his chauffeur's hat.
17:28 druthb              Manuel is on the *west* coast (Pacific).  It hammered Acapulco.
17:28 rambutan            http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/jerry-may-form-drench-texas/17896415
17:29 rambutan            "Tropical Moisture From Gulf, Manuel to Soak Texas"
17:29 jenkins_koha        Starting build #110 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:33 jenkins_koha        Starting build #1427 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:38 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45b85a700fcb4c9db07ec0bd13ecd8463696c4c2> / Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ae471a352fa2b00782c29c5c40f39db04fe510a>
17:42 tweetbot_           [off] @KohaILS: "#KohaILS  [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Bug 10924 - Contact note not updating via opac http://t.co/ey5cCSQZzZ"
17:42 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10924 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Contact note not updating via opac
17:45 mtompset            *sigh* We don't change flags so often, do we? (a couple Auth.pm and InstallAuth.pm set_userenv function calls were off by one parameter)
17:55 cait                drojf!
17:55 drojf               cait! :)
17:56 druthb              drojf!
17:57 drojf               druthb! :)
17:59 druthb              :D
17:59 druthb              My favorite Germans are here!
17:59 druthb              Germs?
17:59 wahanui             hmmm... Germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
17:59 druthb              Germany?
17:59 wahanui             well, Germany is very cool
17:59 druthb              :P
18:00 cait                :)
18:04 drojf               i'd call it cold :P
18:04 * cait              nods
18:05 nengard             has anyone used the html5media embed recently?
18:05 nengard             It worked for me back when it was put in - but i'm trying it now and it's not working for me in 3.12.4
18:05 nengard             not sure if it's me
18:05 nengard             or a bug
18:06 jcamins             nengard: I tested it fairly recently.
18:06 jcamins             I had trouble getting it to work because I had the media type wrong.
18:07 nengard             k so i put the link in the 856 and enabled the preference and the media type in preference
18:07 nengard             what media type did you use that was wrong?
18:07 jcamins             It has to be video/ogg instead of video/[something]+ogg, which is what I did at first. Or something like that.
18:07 nengard             i tried mov
18:07 nengard             then used zamzar to make it an ogg
18:07 nengard             they only have one off option
18:07 nengard             ogg
18:08 jcamins             Sorry, it's not the media type of the file that was the problem.
18:08 jcamins             It was the media type I entered into the record.
18:08 nengard             oh - that's the part i'm missing
18:08 nengard             the media type on the record!!
18:08 jcamins             There are two ways to specify every MIME type, and I chose the wrong one.
18:08 nengard             where do I put that?
18:08 nengard             and I need to update the manual too
18:08 jcamins             Or, at least, two ways to specify some MIME types.
18:08 jcamins             I don't recall.
18:08 jcamins             I think it might be in the release notes.
18:08 cait                drojf?
18:08 wahanui             hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
18:16 jenkins_koha        Project master_maria build #110: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/110/
18:16 jenkins_koha        * David Roberts: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form
18:16 jenkins_koha        * Mason James: Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha
18:16 jenkins_koha        * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt
18:16 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , ID required for mainaddress fieldset in create new patron
18:16 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10915 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , about->timeline broken on upgraded Koha
18:21 nengard             jcamins how do you enter the mime type? is it type='video/mp4; codecs="avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2"'   or just video/mp4   ? The wiki isn't clear and since you got it to work
18:24 jcamins             I think it's video/mp4
19:04 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #1427: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1427/
19:04 jenkins_koha        * David Roberts: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form
19:04 jenkins_koha        * Mason James: Bug 10915: fix About->timeline breakage on incompletely upgraded Koha
19:04 jenkins_koha        * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10915: (QA followup) warn if cannot read history.txt
19:04 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , ID required for mainaddress fieldset in create new patron
19:04 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10915 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , about->timeline broken on upgraded Koha
19:35 nengard             isn't there a bug for item types not showing on the purchase suggestion form?
19:36 cait                yes
19:36 cait                the problem is in advancedsearchtype definitions
19:36 cait                when we changed that to multiple
19:37 nengard             well the bug is back
19:37 nengard             do you know the number?
19:38 nengard             found it i think
19:54 * mtompset          puts on his chauffeur's hat again.
19:55 mtompset            Have a great day, #koha.
20:49 rangi               hmmm
20:49 cait                hm?
20:49 cait                hi rangi
20:49 rambutan            the Koha docker thing is pretty cool.
20:49 rambutan            https://index.docker.io/u/jbfink/koha/   playing with it now
20:49 rangi               yeah it is
20:50 rangi               my script now tries to apply the dependencies too
20:51 rangi               http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7684#c66
20:51 huginn              04Bug 7684: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , inventory :  datatable fix actions etc.
20:51 rangi               which helps find issues like that
20:52 cait                :)
20:52 cait                rangi++
20:55 rangi               hmm also we are 1 km ahead of team oracle
20:55 cait                yay :)
20:55 rangi               but now racing the clock, if we dont finish in time, the fact that we utterly thrashed them, means nothing
20:55 rangi               and have to race again
20:55 rangi               dumb
20:56 cait                oh
20:56 * druthb            feels a little guilty saying that she's glad NZ is whipping Oracle Team USA in the America's Cup like they're red-headed stepchildren…but not much.
20:57 rangi               we arent gonna make it :(
20:57 rangi               gonna have to race again
20:57 cait                :(
20:57 rangi               got like 3 mins
20:57 rangi               druthb: its always fun to make larry ellison cry
20:57 druthb              Aw, darn, have to give them another sound thrashing.  Aw, shucks.
20:58 druthb              I'm headed out for the weekend.  Take care, everyone.  :)
21:01 rangi               well that sucked
21:16 jcamins             Whoah...
21:16 jcamins             has anyone else noticed that the tabs on the 3.12 OPAC support keyboard navigation?
21:20 cait                i think someone said something about that
21:20 jcamins             Oh, well, first time I noticed it.
21:21 jcamins             The staff client changes I of course noticed.
21:28 jcamins             Aww, man, I missed a Twitter conversation about what I was working on last week!
21:33 rangi               right, racing again
21:33 rangi               bit more wind now
21:34 cait                fingers crossed
21:34 rangi               boats are doing 30 knots already
21:34 rangi               (thats like 60kmph)
21:35 rambutan            rangi: are you watching something on the internet? share link?
21:37 rangi               on the tv
21:37 rangi               not sure if tehre is a feed in the US im sure the tvnz live stream will be geoblocked
21:38 rangi               https://www.youtube.com/americascup
21:38 rangi               dunno if there is live here
21:38 rangi               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmbRX6EQ5Tg  <-- live
21:39 rangi               crapsticks oracle leading
21:39 cait                boo
21:40 rangi               evening up
21:40 rangi               tense
21:40 rangi               rambutan: did that link work for you?
21:40 rambutan            nope, blocked
21:41 rambutan            I'll read about it later.