Time Nick Message
23:20 jcamins tcohen: directories have been reorganized.
23:16 tcohen is there any difference between texlive 2012 and 2013? (besides the version number heh)
23:06 tcohen heh
23:05 eythian also, involuntary vision quests if you get the wrong one
23:04 jcamins It adds body to soups.
23:04 jcamins It's good.
23:03 tcohen never used salvia
22:59 jcamins Plantain bruschetta.
22:59 jcamins Oooh.
22:57 jcamins And leaning towards using the rosemary rather than the sage.
22:56 jcamins I'm thinking sauteeing will work well.
22:56 jcamins Plantains, potatoes, and rosemary or sage. How should I combine them?
22:46 wizzyrea :)
22:43 jcamins wizzyrea: you'll be glad to know that Shari has been converted to a dyed-in-wool Whovian.
22:13 wizzyrea it shouldn't though - I just fixed my script. But do @later me if you find it busted.
22:05 wizzyrea golly that's purty
22:04 wizzyrea right - kindly let me know in the future if the bootstrap responsive demo gets stuck in maintenance mode ;)
21:58 eythian http://uksg.metapress.com/content/f195g8ak0eu21muh/?id=f195g8ak0eu21muh <-- how meta!
21:55 cait good night :)
21:55 cait hm sleep... interesting concept
21:46 jcamins Hehe.
21:46 mtompset Well, the long day is over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha.
21:45 tcohen mental note: ctrl-r service <enter> might not restart ther service you expect
21:37 tcohen thanks cait
21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
21:36 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
21:36 cait bootstrap?
21:36 tcohen bootstrap opac?
20:58 mtompset I like the song. What does the fox say?
20:57 mtompset Saw that yesterday.
20:56 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
20:56 cait @later tell magnuse http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/9148120/The-Fox-isn-t-even-Ylvis-best-music-video
20:45 mtompset Tweaked the bug report.
20:45 mtompset There... added the optimization.
20:40 cait hm.
20:32 mtompset If that is what you are asking about.
20:32 mtompset I didn't optimize GetHiddenItems.
20:31 cait mtompset: i hope it only uses it if there is actually something in the parameter?
20:29 mtompset Actually, opac-detail uses GetHiddenItems() regularly now, but I think other use statements load modules that end up using YAML.
20:28 jcamins mtompset: use will also work. I favor require because obviously it is used very infrequently.
20:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::Items.pm has YAML::Load in GetHiddenItems but lacks use or require
20:27 mtompset jcamins: I know you said require, but rangi said use yesterday. I put up the a line patch. It's a case of eyeballing, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how to trigger it with the current code. bug 10872 if anyone is interested in commenting on it. :)
20:27 oleonard Bye #koha
20:00 jcamins I mean, based in Europe, but they were working with Venezuela in 2007.
20:00 jcamins rambutan: not really.
19:59 rambutan EIFL seems to be a European organization/program?
19:55 rangi some of the koha users around the world should totally apply for this
19:54 rangi http://www.eifl.net/news/new-award-creative-use-ict-public-libraries
19:51 rangi yep
19:50 druthb rangi: I'd love to see our Kiva team at 100 loans by the end of the year! Only 9 to go!
19:50 rangi plus windy
19:44 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
19:44 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:44 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.3°C (9:40 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:44 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:43 cait morning rangi
19:43 rangi and morning
19:43 rangi http://www.kiva.org/team/koha
19:37 tcohen bye #koha
19:33 oleonard Okay, that's a clear majority
19:33 jcamins oleonard: I prefer catalog.
19:30 oleonard jcamins: Do you have a vote? "Catalog" or "Bibliographic" ?
19:29 * cait switches to QA mode
19:27 * cait fixes 2 tiny bugs and is happy
19:26 oleonard That's right oleonard_, you run!
19:25 oleonard_ I don't know if oleonard's question is a valid one, but I for one think all his opinions are terrible.
19:23 cait lol, now i scrolled down.. :)
19:23 cait maybe catalog and authority?
19:22 * oleonard_ takes the opposite position as oleonard, whatever that position is.
19:17 oleonard Is an authority search not a search of the catalog?
19:14 wahanui catalog is no longer broken
19:14 gmcharlt catalog?
19:11 oleonard gmcharlt: I'm trying to suggest something besides "biblio" as the term to use
19:11 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk
19:11 gmcharlt yeah, in that case, bib/authority seems fine to me
19:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10862 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add an search history for the staff interface
19:11 oleonard Bug 10862
19:11 gmcharlt oleonard: ah, sorry, missed that context
19:10 gmcharlt oleonard: browse, maybe?
19:10 oleonard It's in the staff client gmcharlt
19:10 tcohen heh
19:10 patron what's an authority?
19:09 oleonard Two search history tabs, "Bibliographic" and "Authority" ? Any opinions?
19:09 tcohen thx
19:08 tcohen :-D
19:07 jcamins Because you're logged in as the system user.
19:07 tcohen why do i read "You must define a budget in Administration" if i already have?
19:05 oleonard "Delete your current biblio history" ... "Delete your current bibliographic search history?" instead?
19:04 oleonard Here's another case where the term "biblio" needs a better term: The new staff client search history feature separates search history items into two tabs, "biblio" and "authority"
18:57 cait i think some might copy it for use in academic papers/citing
18:57 cait i had people complaining about incorrectness in the isbd view
18:57 mtompset But in the OPAC?
18:55 cait and regularly someone asks to print out result lists in isbd
18:54 jcamins I don't remember exactly when.
18:54 jcamins mtompset: apparently someone does. There was a message on the list about it recently.
18:54 * mtompset laughs, "Seriously, does anyone use it?"
18:53 cait and sounds like i got i almost right? :)
18:52 cait hm to clarify - that was my guess for the tickets druthb was talking about
18:52 oleonard ISBD's job is to sit there and say "Anyone want to use ISBD? ... Anyone? ..."
18:50 mtompset Silly, jcamins.
18:50 mtompset with respect to ITEMS.
18:50 jcamins Display ISBD. :P
18:50 mtompset And I haven't even figured out wat ISBD view is supposed to be doing.
18:49 mtompset MARC view does not.
18:49 mtompset OPAC view respects OpacHiddenItems.
18:48 mtompset Look at OPAC view, MARC view, and ISBD view.
18:48 druthb They're trying to use someone else's login credentials. Wondering why they can't get them.
18:48 mtompset find an entry with some hidden and some not hidden items.
18:48 mtompset okay...OpacHiddenItems...
18:47 cait it's a bad idea what you are trying to do there?
18:46 druthb Three of which have been closed, all with the same answer.
18:46 druthb nope, but a search has determined that they have seven open tickets across our two ticketing systems, all on this issue, targetted at different groups.
18:45 mtompset druthb: Did they contact the janitors this time? ;)
18:45 wahanui :)
18:45 druthb wahanui: botsnack annoying plugin developers.
18:43 druthb hm.
18:43 * druthb pokes wahanui with a pointy stick.
18:42 mtompset Either works. I don't care. It just blows up triggering the "can't do the YAML::Load" code in the GetHiddenItems() when patching opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl
18:42 wahanui also that is a giant undertaking
18:42 jcamins Also that.
18:41 jcamins It should be require YAML.
18:41 cait how does the problem show?
18:40 mtompset C4::Items ... missing "use YAML qw/Load/;"
18:40 cait what kind of bug fix?
18:40 jcamins If you want it to go in, yes.
18:40 mtompset okay... question... should I really split a one line bug fix into a seperate report and create a bug that depends on another?
18:38 mtompset sort of like calling all malware, trojans, etc. viruses for non-computer people. :)
18:37 oleonard Of course a better librarian will quibble with the oversimplification ;)
18:36 mtompset oleonard++ # for succinctly clarifying the difference between multivolumes and serials.
18:35 mtompset Okay, that makes sense, thanks.
18:34 oleonard Multi-volume: encyclopedia. Serial: Magazine.
18:34 mtompset I'm not a library geek, forgive my ignorance.
18:34 mtompset Or more properly what is a serial and what is a multivolume?
18:33 mtompset How are multivolumes different from serials?
18:29 cait c
18:29 cait not sure about unimar
18:29 cait mtompset: in germany for example we don't put multivolumes on the same record, every volume gets its own record - it would only happen for serials
18:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Alert if a patron already has an issue for the same biblio
18:28 oleonard mtompset: Bug 10859
18:28 cait mtompset: i think it doesn't make a different - item on record
18:28 oleonard Yes of course
18:28 cait has a?
18:27 jcamins Both.
18:27 mtompset Is this covering multiple copies of the same book, or multiple volumes in the same series, or both?
18:22 oleonard "Patron already has copy of this title checked out" <-- less precise but more understandable?
18:18 druthb As paul_p said in Mumbai, "We could complain about it…that's what we do, because we're French." lol
18:18 cait as it#s normally me complaining about translatability issues... that would be a nice change :)
18:17 oleonard I would love to toss that into the English translation, cait, and see how long it takes for someone to complain.
18:17 * tcohen grumbles as more and more patches depend on 9394
18:17 cait Der Benutzer hat bereits ein Exemplar dieses Titels ausgeliehen....
18:16 cait oleonard: propose a new one? :)
18:16 cait hm one item of this title?
18:16 mtompset Record sounds too logical structure-ish.
18:16 cait i will translate it as Titel anyway :P
18:15 oleonard I don't think there is a way to make that sentence sound good.
18:15 cait or record
18:15 cait i like title
18:15 mtompset Title fits more nicely in the sentence.
18:15 druthb mmmm….sushi...
18:15 oleonard "Patron already has an item from this title checked out."
18:15 * cait is still thinking about suhi mostly
18:15 cait which sentence?
18:15 cait ?
18:15 druthb jcamins++ # consulting someone who actually translates about translation issues
18:14 jcamins cait: We're discussing that sentence. In particular, we're wondering if putting "title" in there instead of record would be reasonably translatable.
18:13 jcamins oleonard: let's consult cait.
18:13 jcamins mtompset: except then there's no referent at all.
18:13 mtompset No need to reference biblio or record.
18:13 mtompset "Patron has already checked out one of these items"?
18:11 oleonard "Patron already has an item from this record checked out."
18:09 jcamins "Title" sounds better to me in English, but I don't think it works in other languages.
18:09 oleonard Good point.
18:09 jcamins I think probably "record" because of translation issues.
18:09 oleonard "record?"
18:09 oleonard Would you vote for "title" jcamins?
18:08 jcamins That sounds like a pretty strong argument.
18:08 oleonard Maybe, "biblio is not a word?"
18:08 oleonard I'm pretty sure there are instances where we do. Looking for a good argument for not adding another.
18:06 jcamins oleonard: are we really using "biblio" in the UI?
18:05 oleonard ...but what is the better term, if any?
18:05 oleonard I don't like using the word "biblio" in the staff client to refer to a title/bibliographic record/thing
18:05 jcamins (even if I feel obliged to make snarky comments about MARC)
18:03 jcamins (seriously, though, I think it's a good idea)
18:03 jcamins Took me a little while.
18:03 jcamins [off] http://theplowcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lipstickpig.jpeg
18:03 tcohen unlike...?
18:02 jcamins ... and not unlike...
18:02 jcamins I think that would be *awesome*.
18:02 tcohen i as thinking of writing a configurable value builder plugin to target TemaTres vocabulary servers
18:01 tcohen heh
17:59 * mtompset cheers, "YAY! I think I have something working for MARCview that respects OpacHiddenItems."
17:58 jcamins You can use 880s, but they're supposed to be used only for different scripts.
17:58 jcamins Not pleasantly.
17:57 jcamins Or, to put it differently...
17:57 jcamins tcohen: yes. Step 1, throw out MARC. Step 2, use a sensible metadata schema.
17:57 tcohen jcamins, is there a way to do multi-language cataloguing with MARC?
17:56 druthb Never *ever ever* a good idea.
17:56 mtompset Sounds like malware waiting to happen.
17:56 druthb yep.
17:56 oleonard Retrieving others' passwords... Never a good idea, or never EVER a good idea?
17:56 mtompset other people's passwords?!
17:55 druthb Wonder who they'll ask next…the janitor?
17:55 druthb (their plugin is trying to retrieve other people's passwords so you can do something on behalf of another user.)
17:54 druthb Third-party dev trying to integrate their stuff with cPanel…they've been told "no, it doesn't work like that" *at least* thrice…and so they asked again…this time, to *marketing*.
17:54 oleonard ?
17:53 * druthb 's mind has been boggled.
17:42 nengard hello
17:42 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :)
17:41 jcamins mtompset: probably by using the term "value builder" for the cataloging module, since that's what they're actually called.
17:40 mtompset Is there a better way to express the lack of connect without changing the word plug in?
17:40 mtompset jcamins: Remember how the word plug-in confused me with respect to Koha plugins vs. cataloging plugins? It would seem that is what happened with VKV. He just sent me a thank you for my comment.
16:43 mtompset ... yes... me like idea. :)
16:07 jcamins Given that we already have TT, I see little point in switching, but a template system that also works on the client side _could_ be used in Koha for record rendering.
16:06 jcamins Right.
16:06 gmcharlt well, replace "from scratch" with "now that we using TT for the page templates..."
16:05 gmcharlt I would actually suggested template toolkit, were I to do it from scratch nowadays -- not client based, of course, but TT cetainly has everything needed, there's nothing per se that prevents templates from being stored in the database, and if paired with future work to use TT for notice tempalte and the like ... would have the end result of using a single template system for almost everything
16:05 jcamins I, personally, am using Handlebars.
16:04 jcamins Well, stated categorically that I couldn't think of any.
16:04 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm actually not proposing to use any, but oleonard had asked me a few weeks ago if there was any use for a client-side templating language like handlebars or mustache, and I had stated categorically that there was not.
16:03 gmcharlt jcamins: what template language are you proposing to use?
15:53 kf bye all :)
15:53 kf time to have sushi!
15:52 jcamins And it strikes me that A) this is a heck of a lot friendlier than XSLT to the novice, B) more amenable to in-database storage, and C) could enable fully client-side display, for the cataloging module, or faster paging.
15:52 oleonard Sounds diverting ;)
15:51 jcamins I'm writing a template for displaying MARC-in-JSON.
15:51 oleonard Oh yeah?
15:51 jcamins oleonard: right now I'm working on something where Koha might actually benefit from a templating system like handlebars.
15:41 mtompset oleonard++ # for evil ideas. :P
15:41 oleonard Darn, I wanted the nested @seen to work too
15:41 huginn` oleonard: mtompset was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 20 seconds ago: <mtompset> @seen tcohen
15:41 oleonard @seen mtompset
15:30 huginn` mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <tcohen> is git down?
15:30 mtompset @seen tcohen
15:29 mtompset Hence the question, because the MARCdetails.pl grabs data differently than details.pl
15:29 mtompset Hmm... okay... let me check that idea... opac/opac-MARCdetails.pl is not operating on OpacHiddenItems system preference.
15:27 huginn` jcamins: unknown tag 952
15:27 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
15:27 jcamins @marc 952
15:26 mtompset Given the MARCXML for a biblio, is there a way to know the koha itemnumbers in the 952 fields?
15:23 kf oleonard++ :)
15:20 kf yeah, but struggling with her CSS!
15:20 kf lol
15:19 oleonard kf++
15:19 oleonard kf: Brilliant--Indeed I can replicate that error message if I try to switch languages
15:18 kf sometimes if you have a broken cookie that could do that
15:17 reiveune bye
15:17 kf hm maybe with translations
15:16 * oleonard can't figure out why it is failing for him
15:16 oleonard I wonder if bkriegel is testing the new OPAC theme with a system preference setup I haven't anticipated
15:11 mtompset They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue?
15:10 mtompset http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/quotes
15:08 oleonard Sorry, Blade Runner reference
15:06 wahanui jcamins: no idea
15:06 jcamins wahanui: turn the turtle over?
15:05 jcamins turtle?
15:05 * oleonard asks wahanui why he doesn't just turn the turtle over
15:04 wahanui somebody said huginn was a bot, not a person.
15:04 kf wahanui and huginn?
15:04 wahanui OK, kf.
15:04 kf wahanui and huginn are bots
15:04 kf yep
15:04 blou that's a bot, right?
15:04 blou kf: thanks. First ones are the hardest. I'll ask a lot of them in the coming weeks.
15:03 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
15:03 kf coding guidelines?
15:03 wahanui hmmm... workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
15:03 mtompset workflow?
15:03 kf blou: feel free to ask lots of questions :)
15:03 kf some information on the workflow is in git, i don't know how to link to the developers handbook - but you can see it on the bottom of the page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
15:02 blou kf: lot of our changes have since been done (differently) by community. We need to go through all that (some customers are on 3.4) and make sense of it before we even file our first Bugzilla
15:02 kf not a specific version
15:02 kf blou: develop always against the master branch
15:01 blou kf: but we wanted to make our branch on "latest". Trying to determine what is "latest" right now, for one.
15:01 gmcharlt postmortem sent
15:01 blou kf: sure, that's the plan.
15:00 kf hm good starting point... i think you already know about git probably :)
15:00 kf blou: got starting points might be getting familiar with bugzilla - logging what you want to contribute ther eor look if someone else is already working on it
15:00 blou I work with ebegin
15:00 oleonard Okay, thanks
15:00 blou oleonard: sorry, we are "inlibro"
15:00 kf blou: generally sounds good and welcome
14:59 oleonard blou: Who is "we?" Sorry if you already said and I missed it.
14:58 blou oleonard: very varied. We have changes done to various libraries. We want(need) to streamline our process. Bringing what we can to the community (and official release), isolate the rest on branches following LATEST version
14:58 wahanui release schedule is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
14:58 jcamins release schedule?
14:56 wahanui release is, like, the 22nd nz time every month
14:56 mtompset release?
14:56 wahanui i think releases is the type
14:56 mtompset releases?
14:56 wahanui hmmm... schedule is not fixed yet..there has been some delay from the client side..
14:56 mtompset schedule?
14:55 oleonard Hm, I thought wahanui had something for that.
14:55 oleonard roadmap?
14:55 blou What is 3.13(14) roadmap? Looking for release schedule but can't find it.
14:55 mtompset Isn't Oak from pakistan?
14:55 oleonard blou: What are you hoping to work on?
14:53 * blou reading the wikis to know how to start contributing
14:53 oleonard Details, details.
14:53 mtompset That would probably be useful if you had an address to send them, oleonard. :)
14:51 * oleonard mails 79 LiveDVDs to Pakistan
14:51 * gmcharlt has disabled the snapshot-download feature in Koha's gitweb
14:51 mtompset Is there a url? We should find the person that pointed to grabbing a tarball snapshot from gitweb. Perhaps a set of bad instruction exists out there.
14:50 kf hope the person does not do that again
14:50 mtompset 79 attempts to download a tarball?!
14:49 kf gmcharlt++ khall++
14:48 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #276 added.
14:48 gmcharlt @quote add oleonard shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll!
14:46 * oleonard shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll!
14:44 gmcharlt that's what killed it
14:44 gmcharlt a single IP address in Pakistan made 79 attempts to download tarball snapshots from gitweb
14:40 mtompset gmcharlt++
14:40 mtompset khall++
14:35 oleonard gmcharlt++
14:35 oleonard khall++
14:35 khall Good idea, np!
14:35 gmcharlt khall: thanks for bouncing it
14:35 * gmcharlt will look at logs and do a post-mortem
14:35 khall I couldn't shell in, so I gave it a boot and now it's looking good to go
14:35 khall back up!
14:32 khall my bad, I was on the wrong git server!
14:31 khall investigating
14:29 gmcharlt khall: so 174.143.233.17 is no longer its IP address?
14:29 khall or only a dns issue and the startup error is normal
14:29 khall I wonder if we have a dns issue as well
14:28 khall try ssh'ing to 50.56.246.75
14:28 gmcharlt khall: hmm, it's not letting me ssh in
14:28 * kf hands out cookies
14:26 khall I can't even tell what's being used, and what is just cruft ; )
14:25 khall startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed!
14:25 khall gmcharlt: git-daemon won't start
14:25 huginn` druthb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009)
14:25 druthb @quote random
14:25 khall it looks like both gitolite and gitorious have been installed on this server
14:25 gmcharlt khall: what's the capsule summary?
14:24 khall gmcharlt: most definitely!
14:24 kf hi gmcharlt :) we were just looking for you :)
14:24 gmcharlt khall: need a hand?
14:24 gmcharlt back
14:24 kf hdl might not be available
14:24 kf I think we shoudl update this list
14:23 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#git.koha-community.org
14:21 * jcamins just loses any coherent language selection when overwhelmed... bits of Arabic and Russian start appearing.
14:21 mtompset I need to practice my Tagalog skills more for when that happens. :)
14:21 chris_n seems many people's native language is the same or very similar... ;-)
14:20 mtompset chris_n: Personal experience too. :)
14:20 khall yeah, git-daemon isn't starting
14:20 chris_n mtompset: interesting observation
14:19 chris_n but the site will not load up
14:19 chris_n ping seems ok
14:19 * chris_n notes git is down too
14:19 khall yeah, I know bywater hosts the server, but I'm not sure who adminitrate it
14:19 mtompset kf: Most people fall back to their native tongue when they are overwhelmed.
14:19 kf d
14:19 kf that doesn't look goo
14:17 khall looks like git.koha-community.org is down, I gave it a reboot, but it failed: startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed!
14:15 kf my brain falls back to german when i get overwhelmed anyway :)
14:14 druthb An upset German is a fearsome thing.
14:14 druthb uhoh. jcamins, you're in trouble.
14:12 mtompset And the language joke falls flat. ;)
14:11 * kf promises to talk fast and german to jcamins at kohacon!
14:11 kf pf.
14:11 jcamins kf: gesundheit!
14:11 kf not really general too i guess
14:11 kf Lesesaalausleihe
14:11 kf reading room use here i guess
14:10 jcamins I'm trying to think of a general term for what you're describing. I'd usually call it "supervised use," but that's not really general.
14:10 kf and the first one is hiding ;)
14:10 jcamins "In-house use" usually means "this item was used in the library without being checked out."
14:09 talljoy let me see if I have a git expert in the house.
14:09 jcamins Joubu: I think the issue with 10860 (pardon the pun) is a language issue.
14:08 talljoy perks up at her name
14:06 * jcamins refuses to register a party affiliation, so he's never voted in a primary.
14:05 jcamins I presume.
14:05 jcamins All contested positions that are up for election this year.
14:05 mtompset elections for what?
14:05 jcamins kf: primary elections are today.
14:05 kf primaries?
14:05 jcamins I guess everyone else is off for the primaries.
14:04 jcamins Someone at ByWater. Maybe talljoy can help?
14:03 kf oleonard: rangi already did this morning until late
14:03 mtompset good thing I'm testing tarball. ;)
14:02 kf hm git still not recovered :(
14:02 mtompset I agree, blou. :)
14:02 oleonard Who do we have to poke to ask to poke the git server?
14:02 blou But "good morning" is more jolly. Always a nice sense of hope and sunshine for the day coming ahead
14:02 mtompset Yes, greetings which are unlinked to time work very well too. :)
14:01 oleonard "Hello" is also nice.
14:01 mtompset blou: Greetings! I prefer good day, because the 24 hour sense of the word day is always correct. :)
14:01 blou hi!
14:00 kf hi blou
14:00 blou ... afternoon... evening
14:00 blou good morning!
13:26 vfernandes there is another syspref?
13:25 vfernandes in other versions the renews where blocked
13:25 vfernandes another problem: in koha 3.12 i can renew books that are on hold
13:22 druthb My company (which doesn't have a thing to do with libraries, actually) is a sponsor of the con already; never know, you might find some odd way to get to go, if you get creative about it.
13:19 mtompset It would a good opportunity to meet people, and participate in the hackfest portion. Everything else library related would probably go over my head though.
13:19 druthb :)
13:18 mtompset druthb: I would not be adverse to that idea. :)
13:17 druthb kf: shhhhhhh! Givin' away my secrets.
13:17 kf mtompset: she has that on a shortcut I think *rollseyes*
13:16 * druthb thinks someone oughta sponsor mtompset coming to KohaCon, so she'll have someone to throw Skittles at.
13:15 druthb :P
13:15 mtompset druthb: Your reply was too fast for a human. ;)
13:15 * mtompset cheers kf on. :)
13:15 druthb kf++
13:14 druthb ?
13:14 * kf is in a bug filing frenzy - also known as working through my training notes :)
13:14 mtompset And now I know you are a skittles bot, druthb. :P
13:14 druthb morning, mtompset! :)
13:14 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:12 jcamins tcohen: seems to be.
13:12 talljoy smoked pens? with some bacon flavor?
13:12 tcohen is git down?
13:12 * druthb wonders how one would do that. Like fumed oak, maybe?
13:12 druthb lol
13:11 jcamins Actual flavor!
13:11 jcamins For people who chew on their pens.
13:11 jcamins druthb: I vote for bringing brined pens.
13:11 * druthb chucks Skittles at jcamins.
13:11 druthb s/brining/bringing/
13:11 jcamins Brined pens.
13:11 jcamins Mmm.
13:10 druthb talljoy: I'll be brining my pens with me, so if you want to do some gift-shopping, you'll have your chance.
13:09 druthb The speed limit on much of the stretch between Houston and Dallas is 120 kph, and my engine will be turning around 2000 rpm for much of that way. An easy cruise.
13:08 tcohen nice car
13:08 tcohen heh
13:08 druthb tcohen: I have a 2011 Nissan Sentra. It *likes* the highway. good fuel mileage.
13:07 tcohen what car druthb?
13:07 talljoy ooooo romance is in the air.
13:07 druthb True 'nuf. And I'll be driving by, even closer, this weekend, on my way up to Denison.
13:06 talljoy funny we have to go 1500+ miles to see each other when we live just 250-300 miles away!!
13:06 druthb 17th thru 20th. Just a few days.
13:05 talljoy how long will you be out there?
13:05 talljoy oh yay. i'll get to see you then!!
13:05 druthb talljoy: at KohaCon. :)
13:05 tcohen impress.js
13:05 talljoy giving a speech druthb?
13:04 druthb tcohen: presentation—abbreviation, sorry. There's a couple of ways I can take this one, and I've not decided which way to go.
13:04 talljoy hi druthb!!
13:03 tcohen 'preso' like 'jailed'
13:03 druthb Hi, talljoy! :)
13:03 * druthb spent some time working on her KohaCon preso last night.
13:01 druthb Hi, tcohen. :)
13:00 tcohen hi druthb
12:58 * druthb wriggles happily
12:58 kf hi druthb :)
12:58 druthb o/
12:55 tcohen :)
12:54 kf oleonard-away has gone to bake cake and cookies for the event - I think
12:49 kf yes - thursday :) bring cake!
12:49 tcohen so there is a QA party kf?
12:44 kf good morning tcohen :)
12:43 tcohen morning #koha
12:35 kf Joubu: the one with the warning about item already checked out is something one of our libraries have asked for as well :)
12:30 Joubu oleonard: I will try to explain in a comment asap
12:29 oleonard That looked like one of those post-library-interview/training bug batches :)
12:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5500 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelf browse changing bib record
12:28 oleonard Same as Bug 5500?
12:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10856 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser
12:27 * oleonard is curious about Bug 10856 too. Joubu?
12:26 kf hi oleonard :)
12:24 oleonard Hi #koha
11:02 kf time for lunch - bbl :)
11:01 kf mtj: just wanted to get it out fast now - because it's only 2 days away :)
11:00 kf mtj++ - thx for setting up a page
10:58 mtj_ yeah, too quick :)
10:54 kf ah now he was a little too fast for me :)
10:54 connor_dewar Seeya everyone iv gota get to bed. Thanks #kf
10:52 connor_dewar and trying to set up koha
10:52 connor_dewar with some php and ruby
10:52 connor_dewar i have but mainly iv been expanding my coding horizons
10:51 mtj_ hey connor, have you been experimenting more with pygame?
10:50 mtj_ kf, thanks for helping me with the qa-sprint wiki page
10:49 connor_dewar hey
10:48 mtj_ heya kf, connor_dewar
10:48 connor_dewar GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}'; this thing?
10:48 kf if the mysql user has to be a real user... so maybe it's easier to change the conf file to match
10:47 kf hm not sure really right now
10:47 kf it has kohaadmin - you said koha earlier :) - I think maybe modify and run the grant permissions again
10:47 kf <user>kohaadmin</user><pass>katikoan</pass>
10:47 kf i think your user and password are probably wrong:
10:46 kf look for mysql
10:43 connor_dewar what am i looking for?
10:43 connor_dewar http://pastebin.com/UbTm1Sua here it is
10:41 kf there are multiple passwords in there - os have to be a bit careful to see the right one
10:41 kf the xml one
10:41 connor_dewar koha httpd conf or koha conf xml
10:41 kf did you have koha installed on this machine before?
10:40 kf i think run now, but I guess it won't fix
10:40 connor_dewar i thought it just said id need them later
10:39 kf can#t check currently
10:39 connor_dewar oh . i didnt run them'
10:39 kf it's in .... koha-dev/etc? i think?
10:39 kf next i would check the koha-conf file
10:39 kf ok
10:39 kf did you run the export commands at the end of the make install run?
10:39 connor_dewar yup that connects fine
10:38 kf mysql -u koha -p kohadata
10:38 kf did the mysql command work and connect?
10:38 connor_dewar i did give kohadata and i did use dev
10:38 kf you did a dev installation?
10:37 kf when you ran the makefile, did you give kohadata as the name of your db?
10:37 connor_dewar hmm i did this: GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}';
10:37 kf and can check if that's what is in the koha-conf.xml file
10:36 kf then you know the right connection data
10:36 kf first thing i would try is using mysql -u <user> -p <database> and see if you can log in
10:36 kf maybe when you created the database you forgot to grant permissions?
10:36 kf connor_dewar: database most probably really
10:35 vfernandes for example I have a patron with 1.5€ of fines where the due date is 2013-09-05
10:34 vfernandes kf - fines.pl is calculating one day less
10:33 connor_dewar appears it might be a login issue? it aborted at Auth.pm
10:31 kf I think
10:31 kf so far othing needed the database
10:30 connor_dewar which is odd. .. i think
10:30 connor_dewar i didnt get any other errors
10:29 connor_dewar hmm ill have a look at what i did and see
10:29 kf connor_dewar: not sure, maybe you got your connection data to the database not quite right
10:29 vfernandes kf - no errors this time
10:28 kf hm
10:26 connor_dewar so the instruictions said to go to:http://127.0.1.1:8080/ and i got: http://pastebin.com/aFhWWh6i
10:19 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.2°C (12:13 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
10:19 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:16 vfernandes wait... I'm running it
10:16 vfernandes it writes the log file, but gives a little erro with Koha::Calendar
10:15 kf what happens when you run fines.pl with -v?
10:15 vfernandes calculate and charge
10:14 wahanui system preference is, like, ReservesMaxPickUpDelay
10:14 kf system preference
10:14 vfernandes finesmode?
10:14 kf hi drojf :)
10:14 kf what about finesmode?
10:13 vfernandes days
10:13 kf vfernandes: hours or days as unit?
10:12 drojf hi #koha
10:12 vfernandes grace period = 0, fine interval = 1... the due date was 2013-09-09 23:59 and the script runned at 2013-09-10 01:00
10:12 kf is the system prefrence finesmode activated?
10:11 kf what's your grace period? what's your fine interval?
10:11 vfernandes maybe because of the hours...
10:11 vfernandes I think the days aren't being correctly calculated
10:10 vfernandes manually I done a checkout where the due date was yesterday... the script fines.pl run everynigth, but the fine wasn't calculated, and it should be 0.50€
10:09 vfernandes related to fines I have another problem
10:07 kf vfernandes: it should not happen - but maybe check the fine related system preferences to se fi they make a difference? there are quite a few related to blocks in circ and messages
10:06 kf vfernandes: i have not seen any bug report yet
10:06 vfernandes anyone had my problem?
10:03 connor_dewar ahhh that makes sense
10:03 connor_dewar ohkay
10:00 kf the other make test i think
10:00 kf ah the first is the end of make install
09:59 kf hm but it ended with all tests successful?
09:59 kf sec
09:51 connor_dewar just the last page of what i did get
09:49 connor_dewar what i shpouldve got: http://pastebin.com/Uq0vBq8t . what i did get: http://pastebin.com/tij0kXpK
09:47 * kf stopped - only clicked on a link then realized why it didn't work
09:47 rangi re git
09:47 rangi the more people hit it, the harder it is to get back
09:46 connor_dewar hmm possibly an issue . i ran: make test . and it said all tests passed but the atricle says i should get code similar to this. but mine is not simmilar at all :/
09:44 kf hm seems git is still ... on vacation
09:43 kf :)
09:43 connor_dewar haha i have info from the creator in the room why not use it :)
09:41 kf ;)
09:41 * kf thinks connor_dewar is cheating :P
09:40 connor_dewar Mum also said they chose just because they needed a name and it was a nice word :)
09:40 kf and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/The_Koha_Logo_:_Origins_and_Explanation :)
09:40 kf http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
09:40 Herwig oki
09:40 kf Herwig: there is also a nice article about koha ... let me find it
09:39 vfernandes ?
09:39 Herwig thx for the info i'm reading ;)
09:39 vfernandes »
09:39 vfernandes there is any bug related to this
09:39 connor_dewar words from the creators mouth : a gift with strings. our gift to the world :)
09:39 vfernandes the checkouts are blocked to patrons with fines
09:38 vfernandes today when trying in koha 3.12 to checkout an item to a patron with charges the system gives an empty error message
09:38 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28custom%29 - not sure how accurate :)
09:38 connor_dewar yes to the extent of my knowledge its just a donation.Quote: koha (noun) gift, present, offering, donation, contribution.
09:37 Herwig have ademo of our koha this afthernoon so i just ask ;)
09:37 kf so not an abbreviation for something, i have heard the translation gift too
09:37 Herwig ok
09:37 Herwig ow :)
09:36 kf Herwig: it's a word from the maori language (connor can probably explain better)
09:36 vfernandes hi :)
09:36 connor_dewar i beleive a koha is a donation?
09:35 Herwig Hey koha ... question where does the name Koha stands for ... ? or is it just a name
09:28 connor_dewar thanks will get back to you :)
09:28 kf i think you can safely continue :)
09:28 connor_dewar oh cool :)
09:27 kf all those shoudl not give you problems
09:27 kf ah maybe your version is a bit different to the listed requirement
09:27 connor_dewar already newest version?
09:27 connor_dewar http://pastebin.com/zPnm4NZv
09:25 kf often you can add lib at the beginning and -perl at the end :)
09:25 connor_dewar no ill try it
09:25 kf have you tried apt-get install libtest-www-mechanize-perl?
09:25 kf and the last one is I think used for the test suite maybe
09:25 kf Archive::Extract is also only used by one feature.... i think the plugin system, so you can ignore it for now
09:24 kf you don't need that
09:24 kf Data::Pagination is ony for SOLR
09:23 connor_dewar so i see im missing/arnt updated those modules but i am unsure how to get/upgrade them
09:22 connor_dewar try this: http://pastebin.com/9S4eHRvA
09:20 connor_dewar its going a bit slow , probably my internet
09:18 wahanui paste is, like, found at http://paste.koha-community.org
09:18 kf paste?
09:18 kf ah, I will wait for the paste .)
09:18 kf have you isntalled the koha-common package?
09:17 connor_dewar well i ran the code: ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u to check for perl dependincies and it gave me this : (ill try use the past page)
09:15 kf where are you stuck connor_dewar?
09:14 connor_dewar Hello :) could you give me a hand with installing koha?
09:14 kf hi mtj and connor_dewar :)
09:05 Viktor Morning kf!
09:04 kf good morning Viktor
09:00 * kf waves to liw
08:57 liw rangi, good luck!
07:50 kf [off] fingers crossed - hope it ends well
07:47 rangi [off] i checked with lawyers i was allowed to say that
07:46 rangi [off] trademark hearing on 23rd october, hopefully this will be the end of it
07:39 rangi didnt miss anything
07:34 kf [off] hm must have deleted it already
07:32 rangi [off] koha mailing list
07:30 kf [off] hm?
07:29 rangi [off] hmmm how to reply to someone, who has answered his own question, when asking the question
07:29 rangi yep
07:28 kf ah, out of memory?
07:28 kf OOM?
07:28 rangi can't ssh to it either, gonna need a kick i think, probably OOM
07:26 kf morning
07:26 rangi evening
07:26 rangi yep looks down to me
06:48 cait it starts raining when i have to leave to work... doesn't it always?
06:47 cait course
06:47 cait hm of coruse
06:42 cait hm is git down?
06:31 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:31 reiveune hello
04:23 wizzyrea later :)
04:23 mtompset Bye, dcook wizzyrea ducnq.
04:22 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :)
04:22 * mtompset rummages around for the skittles gun. ;)
03:51 wizzyrea shoot :)
03:49 ducnq so need to help from all of you
03:49 ducnq I'm starting to learn about koha
03:49 wahanui bonjour, ducnq
03:49 ducnq hi
03:48 eythian hello ducnq
03:46 ducnq nice to meet all you
03:46 ducnq I'm new member
03:46 ducnq hello
03:39 dcook Yeah, I get the head exploding thing :p
03:19 mtompset It's data structure intensive reading.
03:19 mtompset probably because their head is exploding like mine reading the code. ;)
03:19 mtompset So, basically... the person who implemented OpacHiddenItems... failed to get opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl
03:18 mtompset That's okay.
03:18 dcook I don't think I have anything that could work at the moment on my dev site and might be a bit too tired to make anything
03:18 dcook Yep. Certainly a bug in 3.8.0.
03:16 dcook Hmm, I might have something that fits the bill
03:14 mtompset look it up in the OPAC. normal view... partially hidden as expected. MARC view... fully listed.
03:14 mtompset you need a biblio record with multiple items some of which are hidden using OpacHiddenItems. :)
03:13 mtompset dcook... care to confirm a bug for me?
03:12 mtompset Yep, the response for my name is still true.
03:12 wahanui i think dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client
03:12 mtompset dcook?
03:12 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
03:12 wahanui somebody said mtompset was disliking finding bugs while testing.
03:12 dcook hey mtompset
03:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:31 dcook I'm just grumpy.
01:31 dcook Well, not really.
01:30 dcook Note to self: Don't add new features to Koha.
01:28 dcook Hmm
01:28 jcamins dcook: yeah, something to demonstrate that the entire Z39.50 stack is working both now and after you're done.
01:27 dcook jcamins: Integration test?
01:27 dcook Hmm?
01:26 jcamins Except actually, you have to write an integration test first either way.
01:26 dcook Seems like it
01:26 jcamins dcook: six or one half dozen.
01:26 dcook Then writing the unit test
01:26 * dcook wonders which is more difficult...writing a unit test for Breeding.pm or just re-writing how remote Z39.50 searching is done...
01:22 jcamins So I had to avoid it all. :P
01:22 jcamins No.
01:22 dcook :p
01:22 dcook There was good music in the '90s?
01:22 jcamins :P
01:22 jcamins dcook: avoiding bad music.
01:22 * dcook wonders where jcamins was in the '90s
01:22 dcook O_O
01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: might be. I heard the original song only after the fixed version.
01:21 dcook That sounds familiar
01:20 dcook Could be
01:20 dcook Hmm
01:20 wizzyrea like that was the point from the get go.
01:20 wizzyrea I thought the whole deal of the song ironic was that it wasn't actually ironic.
01:20 dcook I found a script that had the more recent snippet as well
01:20 dcook Thanks though :)
01:20 dcook Yeah, I saw that before.
01:19 mtj dcook: -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=LICENSE
00:34 dcook I know I have an example somewhere..
00:34 dcook Hmm
00:34 wahanui gpl3 is rangi's default
00:34 dcook gpl3?
00:34 wahanui i heard gpl3 was rangi's default
00:34 dcook gpl3?
00:30 dcook Thanks
00:30 dcook hehe
00:30 jcamins And non-ironic.
00:30 jcamins That's correct.
00:30 dcook When fixing something something during the QA process...you keep your new versions as signed off still?
00:29 dcook Hmm quick question
00:28 dcook I'm going to go do something productive now though :p
00:27 dcook Maybe I"m being too literal in how I'm interpretting "start smoking"
00:27 dcook You stop smoking, get a sign, start smoking, but can't smoke, because of the sign.
00:27 dcook The smoking one and the couple's therapy one
00:26 jcamins Oh?
00:26 dcook I'm not sure that I get some of their examples either
00:23 jcamins A lot of the ironic bits are kind of slurred, though, in order to fit them in.
00:23 jcamins dcook: the redo actually is ironic.
00:23 dcook Mmm maybe it is
00:22 dcook Maybe I'm not listening closely enough to that redux but...I still don't think it's ironic
00:21 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:21 dcook @later tell tcohen Who doesn't enjoy Sigur Ros? :P
00:20 tcohen dinner time, bye dcook, and listen to Sigur Ros, icelandic post-rock band.
00:17 tcohen http://mashable.com/2013/07/19/ironic/
00:17 dcook Funny how almost every Canadian male celebrity says that...:p
00:17 dcook "Bublé had a strong passion for ice hockey and wanted to become a professional ice hockey player for the Vancouver Canucks growing up..."
00:17 dcook Gotta love Alanis ;)
00:16 dcook Hmm, didn't know that Michael Bublé was Canadian...
00:16 tcohen not-ironic Alanis?
00:16 dcook We try to pretend that Justin Bieber is American...
00:16 dcook Mostly recent ones
00:15 dcook Maybe
00:15 dcook Actually, there are heaps of Canadian bands I like
00:15 dcook I haven't listened enough to Neil Young to really make an informed opinion
00:15 dcook That's what I hear :p
00:15 ibeardslee dcook: Neil Young
00:15 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fBbKtq_Li8
00:15 dcook I'm sure they exist
00:15 tcohen is "Ladies and gents" an australian expression? or just powderfinger?
00:15 * dcook tries to think of a good Canadian musician
00:15 dcook Actually...
00:14 dcook ibeardslee: Same thing happens to me with Canada ;)
00:14 dcook They'll have an amazing clear singing voice, but have the thickest accent when speaking
00:14 ibeardslee heh .. mind you I have been surprised on more than one occasion .. oh that's a kiwi band? I think that sometimes we just forget how awesome we are ;)
00:14 dcook Although sometimes hearing a singer sing and then speak...is so bizarre
00:14 dcook Lots of good music in Australia though
00:13 dcook I just figure everything is American
00:13 * dcook had no idea that Savage Garden was Australian until his wife lectured him one night on the bus :p
00:11 tcohen didn't remember it was from Oceania :-P
00:11 tcohen its australian
00:11 tcohen hey, I also have a Powderfinger CD :-D
00:10 dcook Ahh
00:10 ibeardslee Kiwi record label
00:09 dcook Flying nun?
00:09 ibeardslee A lot of videos on here .. http://www.nzonscreen.com/watch/music-video
00:09 dcook Not that I'm criticizing either
00:08 dcook I think my only exposure to NZ music has been from #koha and Lorde :p
00:06 tcohen the only nz music i knew was Bic Runga
00:06 dcook Interesting how 2013 doesn't seem all that different from 1979 in some ways
00:05 ibeardslee :)
00:05 dcook I'll never think of that expression the same way again
00:05 tcohen interesting it is from 1979
00:01 ibeardslee dcook: .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mmD9ubjzM