Time Nick Message 00:01 ibeardslee dcook: .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2mmD9ubjzM 00:05 tcohen interesting it is from 1979 00:05 dcook I'll never think of that expression the same way again 00:05 ibeardslee :) 00:06 dcook Interesting how 2013 doesn't seem all that different from 1979 in some ways 00:06 tcohen the only nz music i knew was Bic Runga 00:08 dcook I think my only exposure to NZ music has been from #koha and Lorde :p 00:09 dcook Not that I'm criticizing either 00:09 ibeardslee A lot of videos on here .. http://www.nzonscreen.com/watch/music-video 00:09 dcook Flying nun? 00:10 ibeardslee Kiwi record label 00:10 dcook Ahh 00:11 tcohen hey, I also have a Powderfinger CD :-D 00:11 tcohen its australian 00:11 tcohen didn't remember it was from Oceania :-P 00:13 * dcook had no idea that Savage Garden was Australian until his wife lectured him one night on the bus :p 00:13 dcook I just figure everything is American 00:14 dcook Lots of good music in Australia though 00:14 dcook Although sometimes hearing a singer sing and then speak...is so bizarre 00:14 ibeardslee heh .. mind you I have been surprised on more than one occasion .. oh that's a kiwi band? I think that sometimes we just forget how awesome we are ;) 00:14 dcook They'll have an amazing clear singing voice, but have the thickest accent when speaking 00:14 dcook ibeardslee: Same thing happens to me with Canada ;) 00:15 dcook Actually... 00:15 * dcook tries to think of a good Canadian musician 00:15 tcohen is "Ladies and gents" an australian expression? or just powderfinger? 00:15 dcook I'm sure they exist 00:15 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fBbKtq_Li8 00:15 ibeardslee dcook: Neil Young 00:15 dcook That's what I hear :p 00:15 dcook I haven't listened enough to Neil Young to really make an informed opinion 00:15 dcook Actually, there are heaps of Canadian bands I like 00:15 dcook Maybe 00:16 dcook Mostly recent ones 00:16 dcook We try to pretend that Justin Bieber is American... 00:16 tcohen not-ironic Alanis? 00:16 dcook Hmm, didn't know that Michael Bublé was Canadian... 00:17 dcook Gotta love Alanis ;) 00:17 dcook "Bublé had a strong passion for ice hockey and wanted to become a professional ice hockey player for the Vancouver Canucks growing up..." 00:17 dcook Funny how almost every Canadian male celebrity says that...:p 00:17 tcohen http://mashable.com/2013/07/19/ironic/ 00:20 tcohen dinner time, bye dcook, and listen to Sigur Ros, icelandic post-rock band. 00:21 dcook @later tell tcohen Who doesn't enjoy Sigur Ros? :P 00:21 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 00:22 dcook Maybe I'm not listening closely enough to that redux but...I still don't think it's ironic 00:23 dcook Mmm maybe it is 00:23 jcamins dcook: the redo actually is ironic. 00:23 jcamins A lot of the ironic bits are kind of slurred, though, in order to fit them in. 00:26 dcook I'm not sure that I get some of their examples either 00:26 jcamins Oh? 00:27 dcook The smoking one and the couple's therapy one 00:27 dcook You stop smoking, get a sign, start smoking, but can't smoke, because of the sign. 00:27 dcook Maybe I"m being too literal in how I'm interpretting "start smoking" 00:28 dcook I'm going to go do something productive now though :p 00:29 dcook Hmm quick question 00:30 dcook When fixing something something during the QA process...you keep your new versions as signed off still? 00:30 jcamins That's correct. 00:30 jcamins And non-ironic. 00:30 dcook hehe 00:30 dcook Thanks 00:34 dcook gpl3? 00:34 wahanui i heard gpl3 was rangi's default 00:34 dcook gpl3? 00:34 wahanui gpl3 is rangi's default 00:34 dcook Hmm 00:34 dcook I know I have an example somewhere.. 01:19 mtj dcook: -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=LICENSE 01:20 dcook Yeah, I saw that before. 01:20 dcook Thanks though :) 01:20 dcook I found a script that had the more recent snippet as well 01:20 wizzyrea I thought the whole deal of the song ironic was that it wasn't actually ironic. 01:20 wizzyrea like that was the point from the get go. 01:20 dcook Hmm 01:20 dcook Could be 01:21 dcook That sounds familiar 01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: might be. I heard the original song only after the fixed version. 01:22 dcook O_O 01:22 * dcook wonders where jcamins was in the '90s 01:22 jcamins dcook: avoiding bad music. 01:22 jcamins :P 01:22 dcook There was good music in the '90s? 01:22 dcook :p 01:22 jcamins No. 01:22 jcamins So I had to avoid it all. :P 01:26 * dcook wonders which is more difficult...writing a unit test for Breeding.pm or just re-writing how remote Z39.50 searching is done... 01:26 dcook Then writing the unit test 01:26 jcamins dcook: six or one half dozen. 01:26 dcook Seems like it 01:26 jcamins Except actually, you have to write an integration test first either way. 01:27 dcook Hmm? 01:27 dcook jcamins: Integration test? 01:28 jcamins dcook: yeah, something to demonstrate that the entire Z39.50 stack is working both now and after you're done. 01:28 dcook Hmm 01:30 dcook Note to self: Don't add new features to Koha. 01:31 dcook Well, not really. 01:31 dcook I'm just grumpy. 03:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 03:12 dcook hey mtompset 03:12 wahanui somebody said mtompset was disliking finding bugs while testing. 03:12 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 03:12 mtompset dcook? 03:12 wahanui i think dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client 03:12 mtompset Yep, the response for my name is still true. 03:13 mtompset dcook... care to confirm a bug for me? 03:14 mtompset you need a biblio record with multiple items some of which are hidden using OpacHiddenItems. :) 03:14 mtompset look it up in the OPAC. normal view... partially hidden as expected. MARC view... fully listed. 03:16 dcook Hmm, I might have something that fits the bill 03:18 dcook Yep. Certainly a bug in 3.8.0. 03:18 dcook I don't think I have anything that could work at the moment on my dev site and might be a bit too tired to make anything 03:18 mtompset That's okay. 03:19 mtompset So, basically... the person who implemented OpacHiddenItems... failed to get opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl 03:19 mtompset probably because their head is exploding like mine reading the code. ;) 03:19 mtompset It's data structure intensive reading. 03:39 dcook Yeah, I get the head exploding thing :p 03:46 ducnq hello 03:46 ducnq I'm new member 03:46 ducnq nice to meet all you 03:48 eythian hello ducnq 03:49 ducnq hi 03:49 wahanui bonjour, ducnq 03:49 ducnq I'm starting to learn about koha 03:49 ducnq so need to help from all of you 03:51 wizzyrea shoot :) 04:22 * mtompset rummages around for the skittles gun. ;) 04:22 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) 04:23 mtompset Bye, dcook wizzyrea ducnq. 04:23 wizzyrea later :) 06:31 reiveune hello 06:31 wahanui hey, reiveune 06:42 cait hm is git down? 06:47 cait hm of coruse 06:47 cait course 06:48 cait it starts raining when i have to leave to work... doesn't it always? 07:26 rangi yep looks down to me 07:26 rangi evening 07:26 kf morning 07:28 rangi can't ssh to it either, gonna need a kick i think, probably OOM 07:28 kf OOM? 07:28 kf ah, out of memory? 07:29 rangi yep 07:29 rangi [off] hmmm how to reply to someone, who has answered his own question, when asking the question 07:30 kf [off] hm? 07:32 rangi [off] koha mailing list 07:34 kf [off] hm must have deleted it already 07:39 rangi didnt miss anything 07:46 rangi [off] trademark hearing on 23rd october, hopefully this will be the end of it 07:47 rangi [off] i checked with lawyers i was allowed to say that 07:50 kf [off] fingers crossed - hope it ends well 08:57 liw rangi, good luck! 09:00 * kf waves to liw 09:04 kf good morning Viktor 09:05 Viktor Morning kf! 09:14 kf hi mtj and connor_dewar :) 09:14 connor_dewar Hello :) could you give me a hand with installing koha? 09:15 kf where are you stuck connor_dewar? 09:17 connor_dewar well i ran the code: ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u to check for perl dependincies and it gave me this : (ill try use the past page) 09:18 kf have you isntalled the koha-common package? 09:18 kf ah, I will wait for the paste .) 09:18 kf paste? 09:18 wahanui paste is, like, found at http://paste.koha-community.org 09:20 connor_dewar its going a bit slow , probably my internet 09:22 connor_dewar try this: http://pastebin.com/9S4eHRvA 09:23 connor_dewar so i see im missing/arnt updated those modules but i am unsure how to get/upgrade them 09:24 kf Data::Pagination is ony for SOLR 09:24 kf you don't need that 09:25 kf Archive::Extract is also only used by one feature.... i think the plugin system, so you can ignore it for now 09:25 kf and the last one is I think used for the test suite maybe 09:25 kf have you tried apt-get install libtest-www-mechanize-perl? 09:25 connor_dewar no ill try it 09:25 kf often you can add lib at the beginning and -perl at the end :) 09:27 connor_dewar http://pastebin.com/zPnm4NZv 09:27 connor_dewar already newest version? 09:27 kf ah maybe your version is a bit different to the listed requirement 09:27 kf all those shoudl not give you problems 09:28 connor_dewar oh cool :) 09:28 kf i think you can safely continue :) 09:28 connor_dewar thanks will get back to you :) 09:35 Herwig Hey koha ... question where does the name Koha stands for ... ? or is it just a name 09:36 connor_dewar i beleive a koha is a donation? 09:36 vfernandes hi :) 09:36 kf Herwig: it's a word from the maori language (connor can probably explain better) 09:37 Herwig ow :) 09:37 Herwig ok 09:37 kf so not an abbreviation for something, i have heard the translation gift too 09:37 Herwig have ademo of our koha this afthernoon so i just ask ;) 09:38 connor_dewar yes to the extent of my knowledge its just a donation.Quote: koha (noun) gift, present, offering, donation, contribution. 09:38 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28custom%29 - not sure how accurate :) 09:38 vfernandes today when trying in koha 3.12 to checkout an item to a patron with charges the system gives an empty error message 09:39 vfernandes the checkouts are blocked to patrons with fines 09:39 connor_dewar words from the creators mouth : a gift with strings. our gift to the world :) 09:39 vfernandes there is any bug related to this 09:39 vfernandes » 09:39 Herwig thx for the info i'm reading ;) 09:39 vfernandes ? 09:40 kf Herwig: there is also a nice article about koha ... let me find it 09:40 Herwig oki 09:40 kf http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 09:40 kf and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/The_Koha_Logo_:_Origins_and_Explanation :) 09:40 connor_dewar Mum also said they chose just because they needed a name and it was a nice word :) 09:41 * kf thinks connor_dewar is cheating :P 09:41 kf ;) 09:43 connor_dewar haha i have info from the creator in the room why not use it :) 09:43 kf :) 09:44 kf hm seems git is still ... on vacation 09:46 connor_dewar hmm possibly an issue . i ran: make test . and it said all tests passed but the atricle says i should get code similar to this. but mine is not simmilar at all :/ 09:47 rangi the more people hit it, the harder it is to get back 09:47 rangi re git 09:47 * kf stopped - only clicked on a link then realized why it didn't work 09:49 connor_dewar what i shpouldve got: http://pastebin.com/Uq0vBq8t . what i did get: http://pastebin.com/tij0kXpK 09:51 connor_dewar just the last page of what i did get 09:59 kf sec 09:59 kf hm but it ended with all tests successful? 10:00 kf ah the first is the end of make install 10:00 kf the other make test i think 10:03 connor_dewar ohkay 10:03 connor_dewar ahhh that makes sense 10:06 vfernandes anyone had my problem? 10:06 kf vfernandes: i have not seen any bug report yet 10:07 kf vfernandes: it should not happen - but maybe check the fine related system preferences to se fi they make a difference? there are quite a few related to blocks in circ and messages 10:09 vfernandes related to fines I have another problem 10:10 vfernandes manually I done a checkout where the due date was yesterday... the script fines.pl run everynigth, but the fine wasn't calculated, and it should be 0.50€ 10:11 vfernandes I think the days aren't being correctly calculated 10:11 vfernandes maybe because of the hours... 10:11 kf what's your grace period? what's your fine interval? 10:12 kf is the system prefrence finesmode activated? 10:12 vfernandes grace period = 0, fine interval = 1... the due date was 2013-09-09 23:59 and the script runned at 2013-09-10 01:00 10:12 drojf hi #koha 10:13 kf vfernandes: hours or days as unit? 10:13 vfernandes days 10:14 kf what about finesmode? 10:14 kf hi drojf :) 10:14 vfernandes finesmode? 10:14 kf system preference 10:14 wahanui system preference is, like, ReservesMaxPickUpDelay 10:15 vfernandes calculate and charge 10:15 kf what happens when you run fines.pl with -v? 10:16 vfernandes it writes the log file, but gives a little erro with Koha::Calendar 10:16 vfernandes wait... I'm running it 10:19 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:19 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.2°C (12:13 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 10:26 connor_dewar so the instruictions said to go to:http://127.0.1.1:8080/ and i got: http://pastebin.com/aFhWWh6i 10:28 kf hm 10:29 vfernandes kf - no errors this time 10:29 kf connor_dewar: not sure, maybe you got your connection data to the database not quite right 10:29 connor_dewar hmm ill have a look at what i did and see 10:30 connor_dewar i didnt get any other errors 10:30 connor_dewar which is odd. .. i think 10:31 kf so far othing needed the database 10:31 kf I think 10:33 connor_dewar appears it might be a login issue? it aborted at Auth.pm 10:34 vfernandes kf - fines.pl is calculating one day less 10:35 vfernandes for example I have a patron with 1.5€ of fines where the due date is 2013-09-05 10:36 kf connor_dewar: database most probably really 10:36 kf maybe when you created the database you forgot to grant permissions? 10:36 kf first thing i would try is using mysql -u <user> -p <database> and see if you can log in 10:36 kf then you know the right connection data 10:37 kf and can check if that's what is in the koha-conf.xml file 10:37 connor_dewar hmm i did this: GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}'; 10:37 kf when you ran the makefile, did you give kohadata as the name of your db? 10:38 kf you did a dev installation? 10:38 connor_dewar i did give kohadata and i did use dev 10:38 kf did the mysql command work and connect? 10:38 kf mysql -u koha -p kohadata 10:39 connor_dewar yup that connects fine 10:39 kf did you run the export commands at the end of the make install run? 10:39 kf ok 10:39 kf next i would check the koha-conf file 10:39 kf it's in .... koha-dev/etc? i think? 10:39 connor_dewar oh . i didnt run them' 10:39 kf can#t check currently 10:40 connor_dewar i thought it just said id need them later 10:40 kf i think run now, but I guess it won't fix 10:41 kf did you have koha installed on this machine before? 10:41 connor_dewar koha httpd conf or koha conf xml 10:41 kf the xml one 10:41 kf there are multiple passwords in there - os have to be a bit careful to see the right one 10:43 connor_dewar http://pastebin.com/UbTm1Sua here it is 10:43 connor_dewar what am i looking for? 10:46 kf look for mysql 10:47 kf i think your user and password are probably wrong: 10:47 kf <user>kohaadmin</user><pass>katikoan</pass> 10:47 kf it has kohaadmin - you said koha earlier :) - I think maybe modify and run the grant permissions again 10:47 kf hm not sure really right now 10:48 kf if the mysql user has to be a real user... so maybe it's easier to change the conf file to match 10:48 connor_dewar GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '{koha user password}'; this thing? 10:48 mtj_ heya kf, connor_dewar 10:49 connor_dewar hey 10:50 mtj_ kf, thanks for helping me with the qa-sprint wiki page 10:51 mtj_ hey connor, have you been experimenting more with pygame? 10:52 connor_dewar i have but mainly iv been expanding my coding horizons 10:52 connor_dewar with some php and ruby 10:52 connor_dewar and trying to set up koha 10:54 connor_dewar Seeya everyone iv gota get to bed. Thanks #kf 10:54 kf ah now he was a little too fast for me :) 10:58 mtj_ yeah, too quick :) 11:00 kf mtj++ - thx for setting up a page 11:01 kf mtj: just wanted to get it out fast now - because it's only 2 days away :) 11:02 kf time for lunch - bbl :) 12:24 oleonard Hi #koha 12:26 kf hi oleonard :) 12:27 * oleonard is curious about Bug 10856 too. Joubu? 12:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10856 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser 12:28 oleonard Same as Bug 5500? 12:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5500 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelf browse changing bib record 12:29 oleonard That looked like one of those post-library-interview/training bug batches :) 12:30 Joubu oleonard: I will try to explain in a comment asap 12:35 kf Joubu: the one with the warning about item already checked out is something one of our libraries have asked for as well :) 12:43 tcohen morning #koha 12:44 kf good morning tcohen :) 12:49 tcohen so there is a QA party kf? 12:49 kf yes - thursday :) bring cake! 12:54 kf oleonard-away has gone to bake cake and cookies for the event - I think 12:55 tcohen :) 12:58 druthb o/ 12:58 kf hi druthb :) 12:58 * druthb wriggles happily 13:00 tcohen hi druthb 13:01 druthb Hi, tcohen. :) 13:03 * druthb spent some time working on her KohaCon preso last night. 13:03 druthb Hi, talljoy! :) 13:03 tcohen 'preso' like 'jailed' 13:04 talljoy hi druthb!! 13:04 druthb tcohen: presentation—abbreviation, sorry. There's a couple of ways I can take this one, and I've not decided which way to go. 13:05 talljoy giving a speech druthb? 13:05 tcohen impress.js 13:05 druthb talljoy: at KohaCon. :) 13:05 talljoy oh yay. i'll get to see you then!! 13:05 talljoy how long will you be out there? 13:06 druthb 17th thru 20th. Just a few days. 13:06 talljoy funny we have to go 1500+ miles to see each other when we live just 250-300 miles away!! 13:07 druthb True 'nuf. And I'll be driving by, even closer, this weekend, on my way up to Denison. 13:07 talljoy ooooo romance is in the air. 13:07 tcohen what car druthb? 13:08 druthb tcohen: I have a 2011 Nissan Sentra. It *likes* the highway. good fuel mileage. 13:08 tcohen heh 13:08 tcohen nice car 13:09 druthb The speed limit on much of the stretch between Houston and Dallas is 120 kph, and my engine will be turning around 2000 rpm for much of that way. An easy cruise. 13:10 druthb talljoy: I'll be brining my pens with me, so if you want to do some gift-shopping, you'll have your chance. 13:11 jcamins Mmm. 13:11 jcamins Brined pens. 13:11 druthb s/brining/bringing/ 13:11 * druthb chucks Skittles at jcamins. 13:11 jcamins druthb: I vote for bringing brined pens. 13:11 jcamins For people who chew on their pens. 13:11 jcamins Actual flavor! 13:12 druthb lol 13:12 * druthb wonders how one would do that. Like fumed oak, maybe? 13:12 tcohen is git down? 13:12 talljoy smoked pens? with some bacon flavor? 13:12 jcamins tcohen: seems to be. 13:14 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:14 druthb morning, mtompset! :) 13:14 mtompset And now I know you are a skittles bot, druthb. :P 13:14 * kf is in a bug filing frenzy - also known as working through my training notes :) 13:14 druthb ? 13:15 druthb kf++ 13:15 * mtompset cheers kf on. :) 13:15 mtompset druthb: Your reply was too fast for a human. ;) 13:15 druthb :P 13:16 * druthb thinks someone oughta sponsor mtompset coming to KohaCon, so she'll have someone to throw Skittles at. 13:17 kf mtompset: she has that on a shortcut I think *rollseyes* 13:17 druthb kf: shhhhhhh! Givin' away my secrets. 13:18 mtompset druthb: I would not be adverse to that idea. :) 13:19 druthb :) 13:19 mtompset It would a good opportunity to meet people, and participate in the hackfest portion. Everything else library related would probably go over my head though. 13:22 druthb My company (which doesn't have a thing to do with libraries, actually) is a sponsor of the con already; never know, you might find some odd way to get to go, if you get creative about it. 13:25 vfernandes another problem: in koha 3.12 i can renew books that are on hold 13:25 vfernandes in other versions the renews where blocked 13:26 vfernandes there is another syspref? 14:00 blou good morning! 14:00 blou ... afternoon... evening 14:00 kf hi blou 14:01 blou hi! 14:01 mtompset blou: Greetings! I prefer good day, because the 24 hour sense of the word day is always correct. :) 14:01 oleonard "Hello" is also nice. 14:02 mtompset Yes, greetings which are unlinked to time work very well too. :) 14:02 blou But "good morning" is more jolly. Always a nice sense of hope and sunshine for the day coming ahead 14:02 oleonard Who do we have to poke to ask to poke the git server? 14:02 mtompset I agree, blou. :) 14:02 kf hm git still not recovered :( 14:03 mtompset good thing I'm testing tarball. ;) 14:03 kf oleonard: rangi already did this morning until late 14:04 jcamins Someone at ByWater. Maybe talljoy can help? 14:05 jcamins I guess everyone else is off for the primaries. 14:05 kf primaries? 14:05 jcamins kf: primary elections are today. 14:05 mtompset elections for what? 14:05 jcamins All contested positions that are up for election this year. 14:05 jcamins I presume. 14:06 * jcamins refuses to register a party affiliation, so he's never voted in a primary. 14:08 talljoy perks up at her name 14:09 jcamins Joubu: I think the issue with 10860 (pardon the pun) is a language issue. 14:09 talljoy let me see if I have a git expert in the house. 14:10 jcamins "In-house use" usually means "this item was used in the library without being checked out." 14:10 kf and the first one is hiding ;) 14:10 jcamins I'm trying to think of a general term for what you're describing. I'd usually call it "supervised use," but that's not really general. 14:11 kf reading room use here i guess 14:11 kf Lesesaalausleihe 14:11 kf not really general too i guess 14:11 jcamins kf: gesundheit! 14:11 kf pf. 14:11 * kf promises to talk fast and german to jcamins at kohacon! 14:12 mtompset And the language joke falls flat. ;) 14:14 druthb uhoh. jcamins, you're in trouble. 14:14 druthb An upset German is a fearsome thing. 14:15 kf my brain falls back to german when i get overwhelmed anyway :) 14:17 khall looks like git.koha-community.org is down, I gave it a reboot, but it failed: startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed! 14:19 kf that doesn't look goo 14:19 kf d 14:19 mtompset kf: Most people fall back to their native tongue when they are overwhelmed. 14:19 khall yeah, I know bywater hosts the server, but I'm not sure who adminitrate it 14:19 * chris_n notes git is down too 14:19 chris_n ping seems ok 14:19 chris_n but the site will not load up 14:20 chris_n mtompset: interesting observation 14:20 khall yeah, git-daemon isn't starting 14:20 mtompset chris_n: Personal experience too. :) 14:21 chris_n seems many people's native language is the same or very similar... ;-) 14:21 mtompset I need to practice my Tagalog skills more for when that happens. :) 14:21 * jcamins just loses any coherent language selection when overwhelmed... bits of Arabic and Russian start appearing. 14:23 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#git.koha-community.org 14:24 kf I think we shoudl update this list 14:24 kf hdl might not be available 14:24 gmcharlt back 14:24 gmcharlt khall: need a hand? 14:24 kf hi gmcharlt :) we were just looking for you :) 14:24 khall gmcharlt: most definitely! 14:25 gmcharlt khall: what's the capsule summary? 14:25 khall it looks like both gitolite and gitorious have been installed on this server 14:25 druthb @quote random 14:25 huginn` druthb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) 14:25 khall gmcharlt: git-daemon won't start 14:25 khall startpar: service(s) returned failure: git-daemon git-ultrasphinx git-poller ... failed! 14:26 khall I can't even tell what's being used, and what is just cruft ; ) 14:28 * kf hands out cookies 14:28 gmcharlt khall: hmm, it's not letting me ssh in 14:28 khall try ssh'ing to 50.56.246.75 14:29 khall I wonder if we have a dns issue as well 14:29 khall or only a dns issue and the startup error is normal 14:29 gmcharlt khall: so 174.143.233.17 is no longer its IP address? 14:31 khall investigating 14:32 khall my bad, I was on the wrong git server! 14:35 khall back up! 14:35 khall I couldn't shell in, so I gave it a boot and now it's looking good to go 14:35 * gmcharlt will look at logs and do a post-mortem 14:35 gmcharlt khall: thanks for bouncing it 14:35 khall Good idea, np! 14:35 oleonard khall++ 14:35 oleonard gmcharlt++ 14:40 mtompset khall++ 14:40 mtompset gmcharlt++ 14:44 gmcharlt a single IP address in Pakistan made 79 attempts to download tarball snapshots from gitweb 14:44 gmcharlt that's what killed it 14:46 * oleonard shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll! 14:48 gmcharlt @quote add oleonard shakes his fist and shouts taaaarbaaaaaallll! 14:48 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #276 added. 14:49 kf gmcharlt++ khall++ 14:50 mtompset 79 attempts to download a tarball?! 14:50 kf hope the person does not do that again 14:51 mtompset Is there a url? We should find the person that pointed to grabbing a tarball snapshot from gitweb. Perhaps a set of bad instruction exists out there. 14:51 * gmcharlt has disabled the snapshot-download feature in Koha's gitweb 14:51 * oleonard mails 79 LiveDVDs to Pakistan 14:53 mtompset That would probably be useful if you had an address to send them, oleonard. :) 14:53 oleonard Details, details. 14:53 * blou reading the wikis to know how to start contributing 14:55 oleonard blou: What are you hoping to work on? 14:55 mtompset Isn't Oak from pakistan? 14:55 blou What is 3.13(14) roadmap? Looking for release schedule but can't find it. 14:55 oleonard roadmap? 14:55 oleonard Hm, I thought wahanui had something for that. 14:56 mtompset schedule? 14:56 wahanui hmmm... schedule is not fixed yet..there has been some delay from the client side.. 14:56 mtompset releases? 14:56 wahanui i think releases is the type 14:56 mtompset release? 14:56 wahanui release is, like, the 22nd nz time every month 14:58 jcamins release schedule? 14:58 wahanui release schedule is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline 14:58 blou oleonard: very varied. We have changes done to various libraries. We want(need) to streamline our process. Bringing what we can to the community (and official release), isolate the rest on branches following LATEST version 14:59 oleonard blou: Who is "we?" Sorry if you already said and I missed it. 15:00 kf blou: generally sounds good and welcome 15:00 blou oleonard: sorry, we are "inlibro" 15:00 oleonard Okay, thanks 15:00 blou I work with ebegin 15:00 kf blou: got starting points might be getting familiar with bugzilla - logging what you want to contribute ther eor look if someone else is already working on it 15:00 kf hm good starting point... i think you already know about git probably :) 15:01 blou kf: sure, that's the plan. 15:01 gmcharlt postmortem sent 15:01 blou kf: but we wanted to make our branch on "latest". Trying to determine what is "latest" right now, for one. 15:02 kf blou: develop always against the master branch 15:02 kf not a specific version 15:02 blou kf: lot of our changes have since been done (differently) by community. We need to go through all that (some customers are on 3.4) and make sense of it before we even file our first Bugzilla 15:03 kf some information on the workflow is in git, i don't know how to link to the developers handbook - but you can see it on the bottom of the page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 15:03 kf blou: feel free to ask lots of questions :) 15:03 mtompset workflow? 15:03 wahanui hmmm... workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 15:03 kf coding guidelines? 15:03 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 15:04 blou kf: thanks. First ones are the hardest. I'll ask a lot of them in the coming weeks. 15:04 blou that's a bot, right? 15:04 kf yep 15:04 kf wahanui and huginn are bots 15:04 wahanui OK, kf. 15:04 kf wahanui and huginn? 15:04 wahanui somebody said huginn was a bot, not a person. 15:05 * oleonard asks wahanui why he doesn't just turn the turtle over 15:05 jcamins turtle? 15:06 jcamins wahanui: turn the turtle over? 15:06 wahanui jcamins: no idea 15:08 oleonard Sorry, Blade Runner reference 15:10 mtompset http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/quotes 15:11 mtompset They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response... Shall we continue? 15:16 oleonard I wonder if bkriegel is testing the new OPAC theme with a system preference setup I haven't anticipated 15:16 * oleonard can't figure out why it is failing for him 15:17 kf hm maybe with translations 15:17 reiveune bye 15:18 kf sometimes if you have a broken cookie that could do that 15:19 oleonard kf: Brilliant--Indeed I can replicate that error message if I try to switch languages 15:19 oleonard kf++ 15:20 kf lol 15:20 kf yeah, but struggling with her CSS! 15:23 kf oleonard++ :) 15:26 mtompset Given the MARCXML for a biblio, is there a way to know the koha itemnumbers in the 952 fields? 15:27 jcamins @marc 952 15:27 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 15:27 huginn` jcamins: unknown tag 952 15:29 mtompset Hmm... okay... let me check that idea... opac/opac-MARCdetails.pl is not operating on OpacHiddenItems system preference. 15:29 mtompset Hence the question, because the MARCdetails.pl grabs data differently than details.pl 15:30 mtompset @seen tcohen 15:30 huginn` mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <tcohen> is git down? 15:41 oleonard @seen mtompset 15:41 huginn` oleonard: mtompset was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 20 seconds ago: <mtompset> @seen tcohen 15:41 oleonard Darn, I wanted the nested @seen to work too 15:41 mtompset oleonard++ # for evil ideas. :P 15:51 jcamins oleonard: right now I'm working on something where Koha might actually benefit from a templating system like handlebars. 15:51 oleonard Oh yeah? 15:51 jcamins I'm writing a template for displaying MARC-in-JSON. 15:52 oleonard Sounds diverting ;) 15:52 jcamins And it strikes me that A) this is a heck of a lot friendlier than XSLT to the novice, B) more amenable to in-database storage, and C) could enable fully client-side display, for the cataloging module, or faster paging. 15:53 kf time to have sushi! 15:53 kf bye all :) 16:03 gmcharlt jcamins: what template language are you proposing to use? 16:04 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm actually not proposing to use any, but oleonard had asked me a few weeks ago if there was any use for a client-side templating language like handlebars or mustache, and I had stated categorically that there was not. 16:04 jcamins Well, stated categorically that I couldn't think of any. 16:05 jcamins I, personally, am using Handlebars. 16:05 gmcharlt I would actually suggested template toolkit, were I to do it from scratch nowadays -- not client based, of course, but TT cetainly has everything needed, there's nothing per se that prevents templates from being stored in the database, and if paired with future work to use TT for notice tempalte and the like ... would have the end result of using a single template system for almost everything 16:06 gmcharlt well, replace "from scratch" with "now that we using TT for the page templates..." 16:06 jcamins Right. 16:07 jcamins Given that we already have TT, I see little point in switching, but a template system that also works on the client side _could_ be used in Koha for record rendering. 16:43 mtompset ... yes... me like idea. :) 17:40 mtompset jcamins: Remember how the word plug-in confused me with respect to Koha plugins vs. cataloging plugins? It would seem that is what happened with VKV. He just sent me a thank you for my comment. 17:40 mtompset Is there a better way to express the lack of connect without changing the word plug in? 17:41 jcamins mtompset: probably by using the term "value builder" for the cataloging module, since that's what they're actually called. 17:42 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :) 17:42 nengard hello 17:53 * druthb 's mind has been boggled. 17:54 oleonard ? 17:54 druthb Third-party dev trying to integrate their stuff with cPanel…they've been told "no, it doesn't work like that" *at least* thrice…and so they asked again…this time, to *marketing*. 17:55 druthb (their plugin is trying to retrieve other people's passwords so you can do something on behalf of another user.) 17:55 druthb Wonder who they'll ask next…the janitor? 17:56 mtompset other people's passwords?! 17:56 oleonard Retrieving others' passwords... Never a good idea, or never EVER a good idea? 17:56 druthb yep. 17:56 mtompset Sounds like malware waiting to happen. 17:56 druthb Never *ever ever* a good idea. 17:57 tcohen jcamins, is there a way to do multi-language cataloguing with MARC? 17:57 jcamins tcohen: yes. Step 1, throw out MARC. Step 2, use a sensible metadata schema. 17:57 jcamins Or, to put it differently... 17:58 jcamins Not pleasantly. 17:58 jcamins You can use 880s, but they're supposed to be used only for different scripts. 17:59 * mtompset cheers, "YAY! I think I have something working for MARCview that respects OpacHiddenItems." 18:01 tcohen heh 18:02 tcohen i as thinking of writing a configurable value builder plugin to target TemaTres vocabulary servers 18:02 jcamins I think that would be *awesome*. 18:02 jcamins ... and not unlike... 18:03 tcohen unlike...? 18:03 jcamins [off] http://theplowcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lipstickpig.jpeg 18:03 jcamins Took me a little while. 18:03 jcamins (seriously, though, I think it's a good idea) 18:05 jcamins (even if I feel obliged to make snarky comments about MARC) 18:05 oleonard I don't like using the word "biblio" in the staff client to refer to a title/bibliographic record/thing 18:05 oleonard ...but what is the better term, if any? 18:06 jcamins oleonard: are we really using "biblio" in the UI? 18:08 oleonard I'm pretty sure there are instances where we do. Looking for a good argument for not adding another. 18:08 oleonard Maybe, "biblio is not a word?" 18:08 jcamins That sounds like a pretty strong argument. 18:09 oleonard Would you vote for "title" jcamins? 18:09 oleonard "record?" 18:09 jcamins I think probably "record" because of translation issues. 18:09 oleonard Good point. 18:09 jcamins "Title" sounds better to me in English, but I don't think it works in other languages. 18:11 oleonard "Patron already has an item from this record checked out." 18:13 mtompset "Patron has already checked out one of these items"? 18:13 mtompset No need to reference biblio or record. 18:13 jcamins mtompset: except then there's no referent at all. 18:13 jcamins oleonard: let's consult cait. 18:14 jcamins cait: We're discussing that sentence. In particular, we're wondering if putting "title" in there instead of record would be reasonably translatable. 18:15 druthb jcamins++ # consulting someone who actually translates about translation issues 18:15 cait ? 18:15 cait which sentence? 18:15 * cait is still thinking about suhi mostly 18:15 oleonard "Patron already has an item from this title checked out." 18:15 druthb mmmm….sushi... 18:15 mtompset Title fits more nicely in the sentence. 18:15 cait i like title 18:15 cait or record 18:15 oleonard I don't think there is a way to make that sentence sound good. 18:16 cait i will translate it as Titel anyway :P 18:16 mtompset Record sounds too logical structure-ish. 18:16 cait hm one item of this title? 18:16 cait oleonard: propose a new one? :) 18:17 cait Der Benutzer hat bereits ein Exemplar dieses Titels ausgeliehen.... 18:17 * tcohen grumbles as more and more patches depend on 9394 18:17 oleonard I would love to toss that into the English translation, cait, and see how long it takes for someone to complain. 18:18 cait as it#s normally me complaining about translatability issues... that would be a nice change :) 18:18 druthb As paul_p said in Mumbai, "We could complain about it…that's what we do, because we're French." lol 18:22 oleonard "Patron already has copy of this title checked out" <-- less precise but more understandable? 18:27 mtompset Is this covering multiple copies of the same book, or multiple volumes in the same series, or both? 18:27 jcamins Both. 18:28 cait has a? 18:28 oleonard Yes of course 18:28 cait mtompset: i think it doesn't make a different - item on record 18:28 oleonard mtompset: Bug 10859 18:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Alert if a patron already has an issue for the same biblio 18:29 cait mtompset: in germany for example we don't put multivolumes on the same record, every volume gets its own record - it would only happen for serials 18:29 cait not sure about unimar 18:29 cait c 18:33 mtompset How are multivolumes different from serials? 18:34 mtompset Or more properly what is a serial and what is a multivolume? 18:34 mtompset I'm not a library geek, forgive my ignorance. 18:34 oleonard Multi-volume: encyclopedia. Serial: Magazine. 18:35 mtompset Okay, that makes sense, thanks. 18:36 mtompset oleonard++ # for succinctly clarifying the difference between multivolumes and serials. 18:37 oleonard Of course a better librarian will quibble with the oversimplification ;) 18:38 mtompset sort of like calling all malware, trojans, etc. viruses for non-computer people. :) 18:40 mtompset okay... question... should I really split a one line bug fix into a seperate report and create a bug that depends on another? 18:40 jcamins If you want it to go in, yes. 18:40 cait what kind of bug fix? 18:40 mtompset C4::Items ... missing "use YAML qw/Load/;" 18:41 cait how does the problem show? 18:41 jcamins It should be require YAML. 18:42 jcamins Also that. 18:42 wahanui also that is a giant undertaking 18:42 mtompset Either works. I don't care. It just blows up triggering the "can't do the YAML::Load" code in the GetHiddenItems() when patching opac/opac-MARCdetail.pl 18:43 * druthb pokes wahanui with a pointy stick. 18:43 druthb hm. 18:45 druthb wahanui: botsnack annoying plugin developers. 18:45 wahanui :) 18:45 mtompset druthb: Did they contact the janitors this time? ;) 18:46 druthb nope, but a search has determined that they have seven open tickets across our two ticketing systems, all on this issue, targetted at different groups. 18:46 druthb Three of which have been closed, all with the same answer. 18:47 cait it's a bad idea what you are trying to do there? 18:48 mtompset okay...OpacHiddenItems... 18:48 mtompset find an entry with some hidden and some not hidden items. 18:48 druthb They're trying to use someone else's login credentials. Wondering why they can't get them. 18:48 mtompset Look at OPAC view, MARC view, and ISBD view. 18:49 mtompset OPAC view respects OpacHiddenItems. 18:49 mtompset MARC view does not. 18:50 mtompset And I haven't even figured out wat ISBD view is supposed to be doing. 18:50 jcamins Display ISBD. :P 18:50 mtompset with respect to ITEMS. 18:50 mtompset Silly, jcamins. 18:52 oleonard ISBD's job is to sit there and say "Anyone want to use ISBD? ... Anyone? ..." 18:52 cait hm to clarify - that was my guess for the tickets druthb was talking about 18:53 cait and sounds like i got i almost right? :) 18:54 * mtompset laughs, "Seriously, does anyone use it?" 18:54 jcamins mtompset: apparently someone does. There was a message on the list about it recently. 18:54 jcamins I don't remember exactly when. 18:55 cait and regularly someone asks to print out result lists in isbd 18:57 mtompset But in the OPAC? 18:57 cait i had people complaining about incorrectness in the isbd view 18:57 cait i think some might copy it for use in academic papers/citing 19:04 oleonard Here's another case where the term "biblio" needs a better term: The new staff client search history feature separates search history items into two tabs, "biblio" and "authority" 19:05 oleonard "Delete your current biblio history" ... "Delete your current bibliographic search history?" instead? 19:07 tcohen why do i read "You must define a budget in Administration" if i already have? 19:07 jcamins Because you're logged in as the system user. 19:08 tcohen :-D 19:09 tcohen thx 19:09 oleonard Two search history tabs, "Bibliographic" and "Authority" ? Any opinions? 19:10 patron what's an authority? 19:10 tcohen heh 19:10 oleonard It's in the staff client gmcharlt 19:10 gmcharlt oleonard: browse, maybe? 19:11 gmcharlt oleonard: ah, sorry, missed that context 19:11 oleonard Bug 10862 19:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10862 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add an search history for the staff interface 19:11 gmcharlt yeah, in that case, bib/authority seems fine to me 19:11 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk 19:11 oleonard gmcharlt: I'm trying to suggest something besides "biblio" as the term to use 19:14 gmcharlt catalog? 19:14 wahanui catalog is no longer broken 19:17 oleonard Is an authority search not a search of the catalog? 19:22 * oleonard_ takes the opposite position as oleonard, whatever that position is. 19:23 cait maybe catalog and authority? 19:23 cait lol, now i scrolled down.. :) 19:25 oleonard_ I don't know if oleonard's question is a valid one, but I for one think all his opinions are terrible. 19:26 oleonard That's right oleonard_, you run! 19:27 * cait fixes 2 tiny bugs and is happy 19:29 * cait switches to QA mode 19:30 oleonard jcamins: Do you have a vote? "Catalog" or "Bibliographic" ? 19:33 jcamins oleonard: I prefer catalog. 19:33 oleonard Okay, that's a clear majority 19:37 tcohen bye #koha 19:43 rangi http://www.kiva.org/team/koha 19:43 rangi and morning 19:43 cait morning rangi 19:44 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:44 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.3°C (9:40 PM CEST on September 10, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 19:44 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:44 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 19:50 rangi plus windy 19:50 druthb rangi: I'd love to see our Kiva team at 100 loans by the end of the year! Only 9 to go! 19:51 rangi yep 19:54 rangi http://www.eifl.net/news/new-award-creative-use-ict-public-libraries 19:55 rangi some of the koha users around the world should totally apply for this 19:59 rambutan EIFL seems to be a European organization/program? 20:00 jcamins rambutan: not really. 20:00 jcamins I mean, based in Europe, but they were working with Venezuela in 2007. 20:27 oleonard Bye #koha 20:27 mtompset jcamins: I know you said require, but rangi said use yesterday. I put up the a line patch. It's a case of eyeballing, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how to trigger it with the current code. bug 10872 if anyone is interested in commenting on it. :) 20:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::Items.pm has YAML::Load in GetHiddenItems but lacks use or require 20:28 jcamins mtompset: use will also work. I favor require because obviously it is used very infrequently. 20:29 mtompset Actually, opac-detail uses GetHiddenItems() regularly now, but I think other use statements load modules that end up using YAML. 20:31 cait mtompset: i hope it only uses it if there is actually something in the parameter? 20:32 mtompset I didn't optimize GetHiddenItems. 20:32 mtompset If that is what you are asking about. 20:40 cait hm. 20:45 mtompset There... added the optimization. 20:45 mtompset Tweaked the bug report. 20:56 cait @later tell magnuse http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/9148120/The-Fox-isn-t-even-Ylvis-best-music-video 20:56 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 20:57 mtompset Saw that yesterday. 20:58 mtompset I like the song. What does the fox say? 21:36 tcohen bootstrap opac? 21:36 cait bootstrap? 21:36 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309. 21:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 21:37 tcohen thanks cait 21:45 tcohen mental note: ctrl-r service <enter> might not restart ther service you expect 21:46 mtompset Well, the long day is over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha. 21:46 jcamins Hehe. 21:55 cait hm sleep... interesting concept 21:55 cait good night :) 21:58 eythian http://uksg.metapress.com/content/f195g8ak0eu21muh/?id=f195g8ak0eu21muh <-- how meta! 22:04 wizzyrea right - kindly let me know in the future if the bootstrap responsive demo gets stuck in maintenance mode ;) 22:05 wizzyrea golly that's purty 22:13 wizzyrea it shouldn't though - I just fixed my script. But do @later me if you find it busted. 22:43 jcamins wizzyrea: you'll be glad to know that Shari has been converted to a dyed-in-wool Whovian. 22:46 wizzyrea :) 22:56 jcamins Plantains, potatoes, and rosemary or sage. How should I combine them? 22:56 jcamins I'm thinking sauteeing will work well. 22:57 jcamins And leaning towards using the rosemary rather than the sage. 22:59 jcamins Oooh. 22:59 jcamins Plantain bruschetta. 23:03 tcohen never used salvia 23:04 jcamins It's good. 23:04 jcamins It adds body to soups. 23:05 eythian also, involuntary vision quests if you get the wrong one 23:06 tcohen heh 23:16 tcohen is there any difference between texlive 2012 and 2013? (besides the version number heh) 23:20 jcamins tcohen: directories have been reorganized.