Time Nick Message 00:02 Brooke gday bob 00:07 drojf well, that was fun 00:08 drojf looks likemimdo notmhave a notebook anymore 00:08 Brooke hmm? 00:09 drojf hi brooke 00:09 Brooke hey there 00:09 wizzyrea whaddup brooke 00:10 drojf i have apparently destroyed my notebook 00:10 Brooke editing teh wikipedia 00:12 drojf i bet handing in a pen and paper thesis will work just fine ;) 00:12 Brooke ooof! 00:12 Brooke how destroyed is destroyed 00:14 drojf not sure yet. something involving liquid and no reaction at all. it does not look really bad on the inside but i did not take it apart completely 00:14 eythian I assume that all your thesis is in version control anyway, so you should be able to pick it up on any machine, right? 00:15 drojf that is not the problem, but there is no othrr machine 00:16 drojf well, i can (and probably will) type on a raspi for a few days 00:16 drojf but if the notebook is actually broken i will still have a problem 00:20 drojf so, prepare yourselves for a kickstarter or something for signing off on your patches unless something better comes up :/ 00:25 Brooke I have thought that kickstarter or mechanical turk would be excellent means for bug testing for years now. 00:40 dcook morning #koha 00:40 dcook stunt driving school, wizzyrea? Sounds awesome! 00:40 Brooke morning dcook 00:40 dcook hey ya Brooke :) 00:40 wizzyrea >.> 00:40 Brooke pfft, who needs school when one has Maryland just the other side of teh River? 00:42 dcook Lack of fiery death? 00:42 * Brooke thinks dcook is no fun. 00:42 dcook hehe 00:43 dcook I'm a responsible driver! 00:44 Brooke tell it to the judge, lady ;) 00:44 dcook Who never ever "stunted" on ice patches in the prairies growing up >.> 00:44 Brooke heheh 00:44 * dcook is a lady? 00:44 Brooke are you questioning mah authoritay? 00:44 * Brooke busts out the tazer. 00:46 * Brooke is teasing. 00:48 Brooke ChurChur EQNZ anniversary 00:48 * Brooke imagines a days without True marmite clock someplace... 00:49 * dcook is so confused 01:43 * jcamins wipes brownie batter off his elbow. 01:43 jcamins I'm not sure how it got there. 01:43 * dcook once knew someone who got mustard on the back of his shirt between his shoulder blades 01:44 dcook We assume he held his sandwich above and slightly behind his head while laughing and the mustard must've fallen then 01:44 dcook We hope 01:44 jcamins lol 01:45 wizzyrea hey there's marmite again now :P 01:45 jcamins Seriously? 01:46 * jcamins has been using PrivacyFix. 01:46 jcamins For, you know, checking the privacy of websites. 01:46 jcamins It was purchased by AVG. 01:46 jcamins And now it "requires access to your Facebook account in order to sync your data across devices and across apps and uses tracking cookies." 01:48 * jcamins removes it. 01:51 eythian that seems contradictory of it. 01:52 dcook :( 01:52 jcamins eythian: agreed. 02:42 * wizzyrea almost spit water. 02:43 * dcook wonders if this is in response to an earlier comment or just a statement of fact. 02:44 * jcamins curses java. 02:45 mtompset because of garbage collection? ;) 02:45 jcamins No. 02:47 wizzyrea it was a response to privacyFix using tracking cookies. 03:00 * dcook ponders gmcharlt's review of The Alchemist 03:02 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, I figured that would be why, but given the time lapse, I figured I'd make sure :p 03:42 eythian http://i.imgur.com/ZlUhNzp.jpg 03:45 jcamins dcook: it never happened. 03:46 jcamins Or, at least, not in 3.x. 03:46 dcook So the manual is wrong? 03:46 jcamins Must be, because I have never known that to work. 03:47 * dcook was going to say"I'm not insane?" but didn't want to get carried away 03:48 jcamins lol 03:48 jcamins No, you probably still are. 03:48 dcook hehe 03:50 jcamins Why do I bother with VMs that have <1G/RAM? 03:50 dcook That is a very good question 03:50 jcamins Gosh, that review certainly is mini. 03:51 dcook I've enjoyed the book as entertainment and the fact that it's a quick read has always been its selling point 03:51 dcook But in terms of literature...I think he's on the money 03:54 dcook " Oops. Don't click mandatory on subfields for tags you've never heard of." 03:54 dcook Random quote of the dashboard. Hehe. 03:57 cait hi #koha 04:01 dcook hey ya cait 04:02 cait hi dcook 04:02 cait :) 04:03 dcook My body must've known that you were coming. I just grabbed my lunch ;) 04:03 cait lol 04:03 cait but i am early 04:03 wizzyrea good morning cait 04:03 cait and i have to leave in a bit more than 30 mins 04:04 cait :( 04:04 wizzyrea ew 04:04 eythian that's silly 04:06 dcook :( 04:09 cait the things we do ... 04:09 eythian I don't 04:10 dcook Yeah, I sleep in 04:10 dcook Sleep is good 04:20 dcook Hmm. What to improve...DC to MARC it is... 04:23 mtompset I thought you were going to improve sleep, like I am now. ;) 04:23 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :) 04:36 dcook Yes, Dspace...publish unqualified dublincore xml...because that's so helpful... 04:36 * dcook grumbles 04:36 dcook <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date> 04:36 dcook <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date> 04:36 dcook <dc:date>2001</dc:date> 04:36 dcook What kind of date is each? Who knows? 04:37 dcook Hypothetically, we can guess the last one is the issue or publication date because it doesn't thave the seconds attached... 04:37 dcook But that is an assumption... 04:39 dcook Mmm, perhaps not an issue with Dspace so much as OAI_DC 04:39 dcook bleargh 05:20 dcook Sweeeet 05:20 dcook Dspace 3 can export QDC (qualified dublin core) 05:20 dcook That helps 05:21 dcook Although I suppose a DC record could still have 2 publishers and 1 date... 05:21 * dcook re-checks the MARC spec 05:22 dcook Mmm, the 260 was made repeatable in 2001 to account for publisher changes over time... 05:22 dcook So generally speaking all of your different publishers and dates would go into your 260...or your 264 05:23 dcook DC has "Created" and "Issued" qualifiers for Date which don't really distinguish between manufacturer, distributer, or publisher.. 05:23 dcook Issued would technically be date of publication, I suppose 05:26 dcook O_o 05:26 dcook Mmm 05:27 * dcook thinks jcamins was right before...dcook probably IS insan 05:27 dcook insane even 05:39 drojf good morning #koha 05:39 dcook morning drojf :) 05:40 * dcook ponders whether to make a better MARC export for Dspace or to continue working on the DC=>MARC XSLT in Koha... 05:40 * cait waves 05:40 drojf thinkpad++ 05:40 cait drojf: it recovered? 05:41 drojf looks like it. i'm using it right now 05:41 drojf that was not funny at all :/ 05:41 cait yay thinkpad++ 05:42 cait i can imagine 05:42 drojf the keyboard could use another shower, feels weird 05:44 drojf might not be 100% dry from the last one ;) 05:45 cait it will be fine :) 05:50 cait @wunder lippstadt 05:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 12.8°C (7:42 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 05:50 cait hm brr? 05:50 wahanui brr is right 05:53 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:53 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 05:53 eythian supposed to get worse, too. 05:53 cait evening eythian 05:53 eythian hi 05:53 cait how's things? 05:54 eythian not too bad 05:54 eythian it's cold outside though, and probably windy. 05:55 cait sounds about right 05:56 dcook The MARC 653 field is so weird....http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd653.html 05:56 drojf why? 05:57 dcook Instead of having multiple 653 fields, you can just put all of your subject terms in one as separate "a" subfields 05:57 cait yep why? :) 05:57 dcook Which seems contrary to the other 65x fields.. 05:57 dcook Or rather 6xx fields 05:57 cait hm 05:57 cait we do multiple 653 05:57 drojf it says repeatable 05:57 drojf so where is the problem? 05:57 cait i think you can do either 05:58 drojf we have multiple ones too 05:58 cait the examples look like that too 05:58 dcook Yeah, I think you can do either 05:58 drojf i used it for… i forgot. something special to our library :) 05:58 dcook But it's an option to group together primary and secondary index terms by just repeating subfields 05:59 cait ah seem slike therer are indicators involved 05:59 dcook Yeah, the first indicator denotes whether it's primary, secondary, or unknown/not provided info 06:00 drojf there is even a great bug 9972 to index it ;) *spam* 06:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) 06:00 dcook hehe 06:02 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 06:03 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.7°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 06:04 dcook Hmm 06:04 dcook I think I have some friends in Berlin at the moment 06:04 * dcook is probably making that up 06:04 dcook They might actually be in Amsterdam 06:04 dcook Australians abroad. Partying like crazy, no doubt. 06:04 drojf everybody is in amsterdam atm. seems like it 06:04 dcook Yeah? 06:05 drojf heh. i met a group of australians at a swedish hostel once. crazy people :D 06:05 drojf i think they had beer for breakfast 06:05 dcook lol 06:05 dcook My wife said that in Australia you're allowed to drink alcohol any time of the day 06:05 * dcook thinks she was having some red wine around 11am that day 06:05 drojf sounds like a good rule 06:06 drojf :P 06:06 dcook To be fair, it was the weekend 06:06 dcook I like that rule :D 06:06 * dcook says drinking from his water bottle 06:09 drojf i should either start the caffeine thing or go back to bed for an hour, now that i know i still have a notebook 06:11 dcook caffeine! 06:13 rangi ohh casey is about to start 06:15 dcook rangi: ? 06:16 rangi http://cspf.co.uk/tracking 06:17 rangi http://submerge2emerge.co.nz/ 06:17 rangi sea farer II is him, a swimmer from wellington who catalyst sponsor, is going to start swimming the english channel, in about 1 hour 06:17 rangi and is going to try for the world record 06:18 cait :) 06:18 cait cool 06:19 dcook Cool beans! 06:19 dcook Catalyst++ 06:19 dcook seafarerii++ 06:20 dcook Nothing like wanting to contact librarians/developers in Montreal to make you break out the online French-English dictionary... 06:21 dcook https://papyrus.bib.umontreal.ca/ 06:21 dcook They seem to have a pretty good Marc export of their Dspace.. 06:24 dcook hehe 06:24 dcook "un harvester" 06:26 * dcook wishes the BibLibre folk were on line.. 06:30 reiveune hello 06:30 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:33 dcook salut reiveune! 06:33 dcook I know you just got here, but could I ask you a question or two about English->French translations in a library/IT context? 06:33 reiveune dcook: yes you can 06:34 cait hi reiveune 06:34 reiveune hi cait :) 06:34 dcook How does one say bibliographic record in French? Is it "record bibliographique"? 06:35 reiveune dcook: notice bibliographique 06:35 dcook Merci :) 06:35 dcook I would have never guessed that 06:35 reiveune dcook: :) 06:37 reiveune dcook: can you do something for me please ? 06:40 reiveune someone from New Zealand can go in catalogue.iepgrenoble.biblibre.com and make a simple search with "aborigenes" ? 06:41 reiveune its to test geolocation with piwik 06:41 rangi he's in australia tho :) 06:41 rangi but i can try 06:42 reiveune it's better :) 06:42 reiveune thanks rangi 06:43 rangi oh, casey is swimming now 06:43 cait :) 06:46 rangi reiveune: there is currently a nzer swimming from england to your country :) 06:46 cait crazy ;) 06:46 reiveune great \o/ 06:48 dcook sorry, was on the phone for a minute 06:48 * dcook is back 06:50 dcook Is Casey out in front? 06:52 rangi yep, yellow arrowhead 06:53 rangi dcook: https://www.facebook.com/CaseyGloverOpenWaterSwimmer/posts/512573118817821 06:53 dcook So are most of those arrows boats? 06:53 gaetan_B hello 06:53 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 06:53 rangi yep thats teh support boat 06:53 rangi will be alongside the swimmer 06:55 dcook There are 6 arrows though? 06:57 dcook I think I got tired after 6 or so lengths of the 20m pool a few weeks ago :p 06:58 rangi 6.55 hours is the fastest 06:58 dcook 33.1km? 06:58 rangi 10.31 is the fastest this year 06:59 rangi yep 06:59 dcook If I did .1 of a km, then that means... 06:59 dcook :p 07:00 dcook Swimmers are amazing 07:01 dcook reiveune: One more question. What are controlfields, datafields, and subfields called in French? 07:01 rangi he did cook strait which is 29km in 4 hours 37 07:01 dcook Ufda 07:02 dcook He can sure swim 07:02 rangi so there is a possibility .. if its his day, and the weather is good 07:02 reiveune dcook: controlfields : champs de contrôle ; datafields : champs ; subfields : sous-champs 07:02 dcook Intriguing 07:02 dcook Merci beaucoup, reiveune :) 07:02 reiveune :) 07:04 dcook Mmm, maybe one more question 07:04 dcook Notice is a masculine or feminine noun? 07:04 dcook masculine? 07:04 dcook No, feminine 07:04 Joubu dcook: une notice, so feminine 07:04 reiveune dcook: feminin 07:05 dcook Joubu: My French, so rusty ;) 07:05 dcook Merci both of you :) 07:08 cait bonjour Joubu 07:08 cait :) 07:10 Joubu hello cait 07:10 wahanui hello cait are you here? 07:17 dcook Thanks again, reiveune 07:17 dcook I'm sure I'll see Casey's results on your FB, rangi ;) 07:17 dcook ta all 07:18 cait hm running out of battery on the laptop 07:18 cait and still over an hour until switching trains 07:18 cait annoying 07:18 samueld hi everybody :-) 07:19 cait hi samueld 07:19 cait and bye all - bbl 08:54 * cait1 waves from the next train 09:50 * Oak waves 09:50 Oak cait! are you well? still home? 09:50 Oak @wunder islamabad 09:50 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 34.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 09:55 cait Oak: travelling today, giving training tomorrow 09:56 Oak ah good. 09:57 cait looking forward to get there and meet everyone in person i have talked to over the phone :) 09:58 Oak :) 12:26 khall @later tell Joubu can you revist qa on 7720 when you have the time? thanks! 12:26 huginn` khall: The operation succeeded. 12:50 Joubu khall: yep, I will try to do that shortly. It is on my todo list! :) 12:50 khall thanks! 13:07 tcohen morning #koha 13:08 tcohen logs? 13:08 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 13:11 tcohen how was the qa meeting yesterday? 13:12 druthb QA-ey. cait ran a good meeting as always. 13:13 tcohen heh 13:27 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 13:28 mtompset Greetings, druthb. Your greetings have been rather automated lately. Are you human? :P 13:28 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:29 druthb perhaps. 13:29 mtompset Okay, I have a patch that I like, but I looked at one file, and realized it was a pointless refactor. How do I get the origin/master version of the file back? 13:29 * SkittlesBot chucks Skittles at mtompset. 13:30 mtompset And now you are going to claim it wasn't you, druthb? :P 13:30 * druthb stands mute, and a plea of "not guilty" was entered by the Court. 13:31 mtompset druthb? 13:31 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 13:32 druthb :P 13:33 tcohen git checkout origin/master file 13:35 tcohen hi mtompset 13:35 mtompset I had just figured that out. Greetings, tcohen. 14:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10634 - Use datatables for course details items table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52a6d2189d816d2414490bb171ca3387ac2999ac> 14:23 jcamins In other news, physicists try to determine whether universe is a simulation. 14:24 jcamins (really!) 14:27 tcohen that sounds weird 14:27 tcohen because a simulation would be a model of what we belive things are 14:28 jcamins tcohen: or a model of what *other people* believe things are. 14:29 gmcharlt @quote random 14:29 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 14:30 tcohen i'd like to see them try to prove god is the biggest model for the universe 14:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10755 - Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1a4ff2bef3c94bafbf55b5995bc92bb46cdfa02> / Bug 10361: (follow-up) add tests for search history functions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=69577a1a77413e0609b9f0f4eca4f4ce969ad9a7> / Bug 10361: Add option to cleanup_database.pl to purge OPAC search hist 14:33 drojf jcamins: what are they doing to find out? trying to contact the person whose smartphone app we are part of? 14:33 tcohen they want to prove the definition of simulation is sound 14:33 tcohen :-P 14:34 drojf i like to think of earth as a part of some old, rotting fruit and our goal is to convert it to dust. we are pretty good at that 14:35 jcamins drojf: they're looking for a non-continuous maximum power for cosmic waves, or something like that. 14:36 druthb US Politics is part of a simulation being set up by the future for their entertainment. A future Monty Python's Flying Circus. 14:41 mtompset Yes, but if there an infinitely set of nested simulations, at what point does the host environment fail? 14:41 mtompset there are... 14:42 mtompset druthb++ # good joke. :) 14:43 druthb joke? 14:43 * druthb reviews the log looking for her last joke. 14:44 jcamins mtompset: it doesn't, because if the host environment fails, the simulations being run never existed. 14:44 drojf i loved monty python's flying circus for the great range of british accents they used. i miss that in us politics ;) 14:45 druthb They missed one important and useful part of the Circus in the US Politics simulation, though—we need Silly Walks. 14:45 drojf heh 14:45 * druthb pictures jcamins silly-walking, and giggles. 14:46 mtompset Oh stop it, druthb. :P 14:46 mtompset jcamins for prez! ;) 14:46 druthb jcamins would make a great benevolent dictator. 14:47 mtompset -- leader. 14:47 druthb he's *already* a great leader. He'd make a great benevolent dictator. 14:48 * druthb is seeking an appointment as Jestress to the Royal Court. 14:50 mtompset jcamins: Would you be a dictator if could be? I don't see him as a dictatorial type, benevolent or otherwise. I do see a passionate leader who works for the best, something like the president of the US needs to do. ;) 14:51 jcamins mtompset: maybe, maybe not. 14:57 drojf as a leader, you would have to take good care of your position 05 14:57 jcamins lol 14:59 mtompset position 05? Is that a MARC joke? 15:00 drojf yes. i made a MARC joke. what have i become… 15:00 jcamins drojf: my laugh was rueful. 15:01 drojf lol 15:03 druthb drojf: welcome to the Dark Side. jcamins makes the cookies. 15:03 * cait waves 15:03 druthb Hi, cait! :) 15:04 drojf hi cait 15:04 drojf druthb: :) 15:04 cait just a quick visit at my hotel room, then i am off again 15:05 drojf oh jcamins: i got some chickpea flour today. it's only 10x the price of wheat flour. :/ 15:05 reiveune bye 15:05 jcamins drojf: ouch. 15:05 cait ouch 15:06 jcamins Three times the price here. 15:06 drojf i'll have to find it in another store maybe, this one is organic and idon'tknow. harvested at full moon or something 15:22 mtompset http://youtu.be/wVnQxmwUvgI (Muppet Thor wants Library Books) 15:22 chris_n can anyone confirm that koha fails to properly process a hold on items with a hold which are checked *in* via the self-checkout mode? 15:23 * chris_n smells a bug 15:24 cait tehy are not set to waiting 15:24 cait yes 15:24 cait that's a feature for our libraries tho :) 15:25 tcohen do we have unit tests fr the reading history stuff? 15:25 cait i think the reason had something to do with slip printing and the hold notices 15:26 cait chris_n: checkin/checkout notices from self check are problematic too - missing the item information it seems 15:26 chris_n cait: so I'll open a bug for the sco issue 15:27 cait chris_n: i think it's by design, just maybe needs a pref, if the 'not waiting' part is what bothers you 15:27 cait but i am not sur if that is your problem 15:28 * cait should be quiet 15:28 chris_n yes, we do not print notices; we have koha send them via email, so they should fill automatically in our case 15:28 chris_n so maybe what you suggest is the fix :) 15:28 chris_n I'll have a look 15:28 cait hm not sure, but we might be talking around each other :) 15:28 chris_n its about time I did something Koha related anyway 15:28 cait for holds maybe ake a look at bug 9138 15:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, SIP2 failing to mark reserves waiting, and sending blank emails 15:29 cait bug 3638 15:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface 15:29 cait the thing with the email checkout slips i haven't reported yet, but i have a ticket form one of our libraries - totally unrelated to holds :) 15:29 chris_n well, the worst part is that if a patron checks in via sco, no one is notified that the item with a hold on it has been returned, so no one can complete the process 15:29 cait it will show up in your holds to pick report 15:29 cait holds to pull? holds queue? 15:29 cait both i think 15:30 * chris_n senses that this may be a librarian training issue rather than a bug 15:30 cait and we have a report that the library uses, so they can print the reserve slips on the circulation desk 15:30 chris_n and I'd rather work on a bug any day :P 15:30 chris_n I'll take a look at that report 15:32 chris_n I see it 15:33 chris_n however, I think what they are looking for is something like: check-in via sco > automatically fill highest priority hold 15:34 chris_n so I'm not sure if that is possible currently 15:36 cait how will the user know where the item is? 15:36 cait and how will it get to the pickup location 15:36 cait ? 15:36 cait the hold will be filled as soon as you check it in again - at least that's all how it is in 3.6 15:36 cait we have one library that does self checkin with sip 15:37 cait oh - are we talking sip or web based sco? 15:37 cait i might be too confused today :) 15:40 chris_n cait: the patron who set the hold receives an email stating the hold is available and at location X 15:40 chris_n that part works great 15:40 chris_n ie: if the item is checked in at the circ desk, the librarian fills the hold and the patron receives an email 15:41 chris_n but all bets are off if the item is checked in via sco 15:41 mtompset Lunch time. Bye, #koha. 15:42 cait chris_n: are you using the web based or a sip2 based self check? 15:42 chris_n web based 15:42 cait ah ok 15:42 cait i misunderstood then 15:42 chris_n yeah 15:42 cait i don't work with that 15:42 chris_n web based sco has some issues :) 15:42 * chris_n does not think many people use it 15:43 chris_n there should probably be a common self-check backend 15:43 chris_n into which one could plug any sort of front 15:43 * cait hands chris_n a cookie as apology for being confusing 15:44 chris_n accepted, but really you were not too confusing 15:44 chris_n it made me think the problem through differently 15:44 chris_n and I now know about hold reports 15:45 cait :) 15:45 * chris_n hands cait a mint chocolate brownie for being helpful 15:45 cait yay! 15:48 gaetan_B bye ! 16:44 tcohen gmcharlt: do u have at hand a search history cookie? 16:45 gmcharlt tcohen: not tasty at all! 16:45 * gmcharlt checks 16:45 drojf jcamins: i did not expect chickpea flour to be that powerful! got a massive dough now. \o/ 16:46 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: search cookie" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 16:47 tcohen gmcharlt++ 16:48 jcamins drojf: yay! 16:48 jcamins Hey, I need a reminder about some basic Perl. 16:49 jcamins If I want to mock the routine used by new Object(), what routine do I mock? 16:49 jcamins Object::new, or do I need to do something more subtle? 16:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5904: make patron search autocompletion respect IndependentBranches <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b72f249082fc6be8811c3dacec15648f7c5ccd9> 16:52 tcohen you mock the routine 16:53 tcohen i'm doing $auth->mock('checkauth', \&MockedCheckauth); 16:53 tcohen for use in get_template_and_user 16:53 jcamins tcohen: sorry, I meant, literally, I want to mock "new Object()" 16:53 jcamins I'm going to try mocking Object->new. 16:54 jcamins If that doesn't work I'll go digging. 16:54 tcohen You could use Test::MockObject instead 17:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10786: fix Javascript error on the parcel page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1f8d8811b1d2d96f1b087edf42f395c89c8df0f> 17:07 jcamins tcohen: looks like mocking Object->new works. 17:08 tcohen great jcamins 17:09 tcohen what was the way of testing something is an array? 17:12 jcamins I don't remember. 17:15 tcohen np 17:16 gmcharlt tcohen: 'any' for List::MoreUtils 17:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10588: improve selection of default branch for OPAC popular items pag <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=600e953dff44c29fe7a2996fbacbd8e57cd7eb35> 17:26 tcohen List::MoreUtils, I remember loving 'any' 17:31 jcamins Hey, you know what I just noticed? 17:32 jcamins C4::Matcher would appear to have an over-liberal match policy for bib records. 17:34 tcohen btw, Data::Printer is awesome 17:35 tcohen bye #koha, and shana tova 17:38 jcamins Oh, yeah. 17:38 jcamins It's Rosh Hashana today. 17:38 * jcamins distributes apples and honey. 17:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:54 mtompset jcamins: I was curious about how the facet problem (mis-counts and showing things that should be hidden) is being addressed in the search re-write. Any information on that? 17:54 jcamins mtompset: it's not being addressed at all at this time. 17:55 jcamins If and when it is addressed, it will be by using a real faceter and not some hacked up thing in C4::Search. 17:56 mtompset So, a solr search setup will have the same facet'ing problem that zebra does, because the facets are "hacked up" in C4::Search? 17:56 jcamins No, because the current Solr code doesn't support anything that uses C4::Search. 17:58 mtompset okay, perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Are the search re-write and the solr code different but overlapping? 17:58 jcamins So I suppose it's possible you would consider the faceting worse. 17:58 jcamins Yes. 17:59 jcamins Unrelated. 17:59 jcamins gmcharlt: I have a question for you about database-dependent versus non-database-dependent unit tests. 17:59 jcamins I'm adding a db-dependent test for C4::Matcher. 17:59 jcamins There is already a t/Matcher.t. 18:00 jcamins I was adding it as a different file: t/db_dependent/Matcher_auth.t. Does that make sense? 18:00 gmcharlt jcamins: yes 18:00 jcamins Thanks. 18:01 jcamins It irks me to make it db-dependent since it doesn't actually require a database, just C4::Context, but discretion being the better part of valor, db-dependent is where it's going. 18:02 gmcharlt yeah, there's been various approaches for mocking bits of C4::Context -- would be worth it document and consolidate 18:06 jcamins gmcharlt: okay, another question about unit tests: I wrote a unit test in order to prove some changes (6 lines) to C4::Matcher correct. My inclination is to break it into two patches, unit test first. Is that over-thinking it? 18:07 gmcharlt jcamins: separate patches match my preference 18:07 gmcharlt it's like telling a story -- tests for new functionality (or regressions), then main patch, then a happy ending of tests passing 18:08 jcamins In this case, the unit test actually passes both before and after the patch. 18:08 jcamins It's a missing follow-up to QueryParser, which makes C4::Matcher use SimpleSearch for auths. 18:15 gmcharlt cool 18:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9603 - Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76a1a00977657132180f0715d96db5702565f1bf> 19:28 mtompset jcamins: Thanks for the comment. I know there is no updated test plan, because I didn't notice an original one. 19:29 jcamins mtompset: A) there needs to be a test plan, and B) you definitely have to address why upload.pl is now dependent on Koha's plugin system, which is entirely unrelated to the cataloging plugins generally. 19:29 jcamins If it is not dependent on the plugin system, you should note that fact. 19:30 mtompset You mean I should set it to no enable_plugins? I thought I had to get it to work. 19:30 mtompset I suppose I should test that. :) 19:30 jcamins I mean that shouldn't be required because the two systems should be unconnected. 19:30 jcamins If there is any connection, you need to explain what it is. 19:31 mtompset Okay... I'll do that later tonight, I finally scrolled back and found the old test plan in comment number 3. 19:31 mtompset did you try to apply the patch? 19:32 mtompset Or are you waiting on the test plan? 19:32 jcamins I didn't look at it because it mentioned the plugins and didn't have an updated test plan. 19:33 mtompset okay. 19:34 mtompset I was just curious if I had messed up the patch and it didn't apply either. :) 19:34 jcamins I would've marked it Patch doesn't apply if it didn't apply. 19:49 rangi fastest swim of the year :) 19:52 rangi by 1 hour 20:03 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 20:11 drojf rangi: the map never updated for me so i thought he is still swimming circles to get in the mood. 20:11 rangi heh 20:57 * cait waves 21:21 rangi back 21:24 eythian http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/09/fore-edge-book-paintings/ 21:25 cait hi rangi and eythian 21:25 eythian hi cait 21:31 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLlDIzi8SU 22:01 pianohacker rangi: ... what the hell am I watching? 22:01 rangi hehe, just a slice of nz 22:40 jcamins What should we have for dinner? 22:40 cjh jcamins: pizza. 22:40 jcamins cjh: oooh. 22:40 jcamins Yum. 22:40 jcamins Alas, no cheese. 22:41 jcamins Also, I'm not sure I'm waiting until the tomato sauce is done. 22:47 eythian you don't need cheese on pizza, though it is typically there. 22:48 jcamins eythian: I don't have a lot of else, either. 22:48 jcamins *lot else 22:48 eythian sounds like it'll be a pizza base for dinner then! 22:48 jcamins Hehe. 23:10 ibeardslee cook it, let it cool and then put icecream and chocolate sauce on it 23:12 wizzyrea you could do something like bearnaise sauce, and caramelised onions 23:12 wizzyrea and... olives 23:12 wizzyrea or... chipotle soaked pineapple 23:13 jcamins wizzyrea: wow. You have a weird pantry. :P 23:14 jcamins I just made some tortellini and we had some tomato sauce with it. 23:16 jcamins Very chunky tomato sauce, since it's still too hot to blend. 23:29 pianohacker Hey #koha, I have a UI question for you. The new cataloging editor uses pazpar2 to do its z3950 search, which is awesome and easy, but comes with one downside 23:29 pianohacker The results are loaded several times, as pazpar2 gets more results and re-sorts them 23:30 pianohacker would you personally prefer to just wait until everything is loaded, or have some approach where, say, if your cursor was above the results, they wouldn't reload until you moved back off? 23:30 dcook I'm not sure I follow, pianohacker 23:31 jcamins Depends on the latency, but probably I'd prefer it to load fast and frequently. 23:31 eythian make it grey and not interactible with until loading has completed? That way you can see progress, but it doesn't mess up by jumping around underneath you. 23:31 dcook Do you mean something along the lines of "Load X results" then if the scroll down or put your cursor lower down then "Load X + Y results"? 23:31 jcamins Yeah, eythian's suggestion makes sense. 23:32 pianohacker jcamins: That's definitely nice; the problem is that if you're busy looking at or interacting with results, then they reload, it's a bit jarring 23:32 pianohacker eythian: Hmm, that seems pretty reasonable 23:32 jcamins pianohacker: right, that's why you have to make the reload not jarring. 23:33 dcook Although people are probably fairly use to jarring from FB and other sites 23:33 tcohen jarring? 23:33 jcamins dcook: from Facebook? 23:33 pianohacker Sudden and disorienting 23:33 pianohacker Some kind of crossfade, maybe? 23:34 eythian dcook: that is never an excuse :) 23:34 tcohen wahanui: what's the context? 23:34 wahanui no idea, tcohen 23:34 dcook jcamins: Yeah, some of the screens load a certain number of results and then only load more once you scroll to the bottom, which sometimes causes that jarring effect 23:34 jcamins dcook: I think that's different, because you are doing something to trigger the reloda. 23:35 jcamins *reload 23:35 dcook eythian: You might have a point there, but when it comes to UI design, I don't think we even ask normal users 23:35 eythian dcook: they're resorting though, so it's different. 23:35 dcook Mmm, right resorting. 23:35 dcook I suppose I don't really understand what the UI is supposed to look like in any case. 23:35 pianohacker hrm... screenshot time 23:35 dcook :D 23:36 * dcook is a fan of screenshots 23:36 tcohen are you talking about Koha's UI? 23:36 eythian wahanui: irc logs 23:36 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 23:36 eythian tcohen: ^ :) 23:36 tcohen ok ok 23:39 pianohacker http://i.imgur.com/8ewb1Bx.png <-- Search UI for new cataloging interface 23:40 dcook New cataloguing interface or new Z39.50 interface? 23:40 dcook Errr...my question didn't make sense 23:41 * dcook tries to reword 23:41 dcook Are you able to edit the MARC in this interface? 23:41 dcook Actually, feel free to ignore that too. I don't want to get off topic. 23:41 eythian it's a search interface 23:41 * dcook thinks eythian's original idea is probably best 23:41 pianohacker dcook: You would click on open to bring it into the cataloging interface under that popup 23:42 jcamins Yeah, I think you need to show the results ASAP, but not make them interactive. 23:42 dcook mhm 23:43 pianohacker I like this plan :) 23:44 pianohacker Any thoughts on the search interface in general? Static images are only so helpful, of course, but most of what you can do is on display 23:45 dcook To be honest, I think it would make the most sense to ask cataloguing librarians 23:45 * dcook supposes he used to be a cataloguing librarian 23:46 dcook I might use different labels than "Open" and "Substitute" 23:46 dcook I like the targets on the left though 23:46 tcohen librarians often do trial and error on the cataloguing quality of the retreived records 23:47 dcook Trial and error? 23:47 pianohacker dcook: I was fighting with those, the difference is subtle... One opens the search result as a new record, the other transposes its contents into the current record 23:47 eythian pianohacker: "open as new", "replace current record" 23:48 pianohacker eythian: Clear but verbose 23:48 dcook "New" "Replace" ? 23:48 pianohacker "Open" and "Replace current", maybe? 23:49 dcook To me "open" is basically the same as "view" 23:49 jcamins I don't like "Open." 23:49 jcamins I agree with dcook. 23:49 jcamins "Open" means "I want to look at this record." 23:49 eythian hmm yeah 23:49 jcamins "Import" is better. 23:49 eythian yes, it is 23:50 dcook Although both options are a type of import 23:50 pianohacker fair enough, makes sense 23:51 dcook Although, I assume "substitute" only comes up when you're using z39.50 within the context of an existing record 23:51 dcook So "Import" probably is the best bet 23:51 pianohacker dcook: yes 23:51 dcook I suppose people would soon figure out that "Import" allows them to edit before saving as well 23:51 dcook Sorry, I'm babbling 23:52 pianohacker There is pervasive undo, so either one isn't the end of the world :) 23:52 dcook Overall, I'm liking this 23:52 * dcook was always a fan of that type of MARC interface 23:53 dcook Very clean 23:53 dcook pianohacker: Are you also working on a new editor screen? 23:54 dcook Or an "advanced editor"? 23:54 pianohacker dcook: Yes indeed, has about the same format as the MARC display from that screenshot, just with fancier fixed field editing 23:55 dcook :D 23:56 dcook pianohacker++ 23:56 dcook That is awesome news 23:56 eythian dcook: pianohacker seems to pretty good at this sort of thing. IIRC the sysprefs interface is also his from quite some time ago. 23:56 pianohacker Yup, with some polishing by oleonard 23:56 pianohacker but thank you eythian :) 23:56 dcook pianohacker++ 23:56 dcook ;) 23:57 dcook I think two of my biggest pet peaves in Koha are probably the search and the cataloguing, so super excited for your work there 23:59 pianohacker dcook: Glad to hear! I have nengard as my main advisor, so trust me, it should be much better than the current one