Time Nick Message 23:20 Brooke good to hear 23:19 tcohen hi rangi 23:19 rangi not too bad 23:18 Brooke :) how's it? 23:18 rangi hi Brooke 23:18 Brooke yo! 23:02 rangi sweet 23:02 eythian http://www.yubico.com/2013/05/browserid-yubikey/ <-- also rangi 23:02 eythian http://osdc.org.nz/2013/09/03/speaker-feature-francois-marier/ <-- rangi 22:35 mtompset Well, I'll try placing it later tonight. 22:34 mtompset YAY! Patch fixed again. 21:52 mtompset Almost recovered the patch now... but the silly window isn't popping up right. 21:50 mtompset You were trying to make a pun on fast, right? 21:50 drojf i have no idea what that meant. but i was blaming it on being awake too long :) 21:49 mtompset DOH! I better grab some caffeine, that parsed badly. 21:49 mtompset drojf: You mean you FOSS-t, right? ;) 21:47 drojf i hope it is at least FOSS swimming. :P 21:44 rangi yuo can watch the swimmer catalyst is sponsoring swimming the channel 21:44 rangi http://cspf.co.uk/tracking <-- if you look here from 0600 UTC and choose sea farer II 21:44 drojf hi eythian 21:42 eythian hi 21:14 rangi id probably lean towards including, but with a big #REWRITE ME all over it 21:13 rangi Joubu: ah that would totally be the RM call in that case 20:30 cait added minutes - now goin gto pack 20:29 cait bye Joubu 20:29 Joubu anyway, go to bed. bye #koha 20:29 Joubu rangi: yes but the patch refactors the AV code into a new module (without using DBIx), adding unit tests. The discussion is : should we rewrite the patch or include it as it is (since it improves the code)? 20:26 rangi (byproduct is we would get better db out of it too) 20:26 cait it would help my work on our deletion concept 20:26 cait i am interested in helping 20:26 rangi we can remove that one problematic line 20:26 rangi cos if we can do that 20:26 rangi i just need to check with gmcharlt that he is ok with me working to try to fix the db 20:25 rangi then all the stuff depending on it can 20:25 rangi then the dbix::class work can get pushed 20:25 rangi basically we need to fix the foreign key problems in the db 20:25 cait maybe we could get together about dbix class sometimes? i would like to elarn more 20:24 rangi ^^ so much nicer :) 20:24 rangi + my %row = $borrower->get_columns; 20:24 rangi + my $borrower = $borrowers->get_borrower( { 'cardnumber' => $userid } ); 20:24 rangi + my $borrowers = Koha::Borrower->new(); 20:24 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7130fb468c339df22aaefacb8d2723ea86a8ccd4 20:24 rangi and 20:23 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa697f75a9b97cda8a49bccffa46052ee38063ce 20:23 rangi ah yeah, i have some work that is waiting too 20:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. 20:22 Joubu rangi: it is about bug 10363: should we wait the integration of DBIx into Koha before adding new modules? 20:20 * rangi will read back after he has dropped the kids at school 20:20 rangi what was your important point? 20:18 cait Joubu: it's not forgotten 20:18 cait we can only do something together - blaming each other won't work :) 20:18 Joubu cait: you are welcome, but I hope my "important" point could be discussed later :) 20:18 cait i think we can set a good example, maybe get some people testing etc. 20:18 cait i really hope it works :) 20:18 mtj i really like this qa-sprint idea :) 20:17 rangi cait++ #for caling the meeting and for valuing stability over speed 20:16 cait Joubu++ thx for adding to the agenda 20:16 mtj yeah, 2 weeks is good, i think 20:16 Joubu cait++ thanks ! 20:16 cait let's work together on making this first a good start 20:16 mtj thanx cait++ 20:16 cait every 2 would be good ad we are getting so close to the deadlines, but not sure we can make it happen 20:16 drojf cait++ 20:15 druthb cait++ 20:15 mtj so, any idea for the frequency of the sprints… ? say every 2 or 4 weeks? 20:15 cait thx for coming everyone 20:15 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/qa_team_meeting.2013-09-03-19.06.log.html 20:15 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/qa_team_meeting.2013-09-03-19.06.txt 20:15 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/qa_team_meeting.2013-09-03-19.06.html 20:15 huginn` Meeting ended Tue Sep 3 20:15:48 2013 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 20:15 cait #endmeeting 20:15 cait #agreed new meeting to be determined after QA sprint day 20:15 cait ok, i am going to close the meeting now 20:15 cait maybe you could add a section for a little schedule? let's see if we can make use of being globally spread? 20:14 cait and thx for volunteering 20:14 cait thank you mtj 20:14 mtj cait, ill ping you when the wiki is done 20:13 cait working on qA 20:12 cait maybe send a note to the list or put on the wiki page when you can be around 20:12 cait i#d love if as many qa people as possible coudl dedicate sometime 20:12 cait so let's see how the qa sprint goes 20:11 paul_p cait both are possible 20:11 paul_p cait I don't have a preference 20:10 cait or see how the qa sprint works out first? 20:10 cait do we want to set up another meeting? 20:10 cait thx druthb 20:09 * druthb puts .76 Euro in the jar for cait. 20:09 cait #action mtj to create a wiki page for the first QA sprint 20:09 paul_p mtj++ ! 20:09 cait mtj++ 20:09 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cait 20:09 cait mtj: awesome! 20:09 druthb mtj++ 20:08 mtj i can do the wiki page today 20:08 cait i am travelling all day tomorrow and it would be nice to get that out and announced 20:08 cait would someone be willing ot set up a wiki page for it? 20:07 mtj ok for me too :) 20:07 cait ok, any more ideas? 20:07 cait mtj: ok for you too? sorry i might have been too fast 20:06 cait #agreed 12th September suggested date for QA sprint 20:06 cait that's for 12th? 20:05 bag alright back to training for me - cya later 20:05 Joubu +1 20:05 bag +1 20:05 paul_p 12th could be possible for me. 13th (my) morning won't be possible 20:04 cait any preferences? 20:04 cait 12th or 13th 20:04 cait or friday 20:04 cait we could also make it thursday 20:03 cait hm depends if we want to set a time too or make it a global one 20:03 cait i mean it doesn't necessarily interfere 20:02 cait no, but might not be a bad thing 20:02 drojf you know that there is the regular meeting too? 20:01 mtj +1 20:01 cait what about 11th? 20:01 Joubu It would be really great if wahanui could qa patches... 20:01 cait wednesdy woudl work for me 20:00 wahanui a wednesday is fine for me 20:00 mtj how about a wednesday? 20:00 * cait searches for her calendar 19:59 cait what about.... 19:59 bag cait: let's do it and see what happens 19:59 cait and see if that works 19:59 druthb paul_p: :P 19:59 cait maybe we could suggest a date 19:59 cait ah 19:59 paul_p druthb it was just an example. and we could have various options. 19:59 bag poll 19:58 cait pole? 19:58 bag would be best to have RM present - maybe fridays aren't the best for him? let's pole the RM 19:58 cait should we try and set a date for a qa sprint? 19:58 cait this time is late for europe, but actually the best option we have with the qa team widely spread 19:57 cait i guess it would have to be a global friday - we are really far spread around the globe 19:56 cait #idea have a QA sprint day 19:56 druthb 6 AM GMT? And here I thought that the French had given up on torture. 19:56 bag if the date is set - I can clear my schedule with enough notice 19:56 cait if we set up a date? 19:56 cait would it be possible that people dedicate some time to that idea? 19:56 druthb special_qa_sprint_day++ 19:56 paul_p I really love the idea of setting up a time to discuss of a given bug. Something regular, like "every friday, at 6AM GMT" 19:56 cait i was thinking maybe fold it into gbsd - but we could also do a special one 19:55 bag it's the coffee - not me 19:55 cait ah, bag is typing faster :) 19:55 cait GBSD might help with that - we could be around looking at patches of developers that are on IRC that time, give feedback more directly 19:54 bag maybe have a QA day or sprint? like we scheduled this meeting - or something similar to Global bug squashing day 19:54 cait #idea set up a time with the developer to work on their patches - so you can ask questions 19:53 jcamins Joubu: in cases where it would take longer to do the follow-up, I suggest just failing it. That was my rule during 3.12. If it's faster to fix than ask for a fix, fix it. Otherwise, kick it back and ask for a fix. 19:53 cait i think we see a similar effect during the hackfests too 19:53 paul_p cait & joubu = that's what I made when I was RM and QAed patches. small things like capitalization or things like that are easy to fix & should be by the QAer 19:53 Joubu mtj: yes, me too 19:53 cait i have done that a few times and it was quite productive 19:52 cait i have found it's easier to qa big patches when the developer is around to ask questions 19:52 mtj joubu, agreed, thats what i usually do 19:52 cait #idea QA team can provide follow ups for small problems (tabs, typos, capitalization...) 19:51 Joubu no, of course 19:51 cait small things, not changing logic 19:51 cait also capitalization maybe 19:51 cait Joubu: I agree 19:51 Joubu I think QAers should not failed QA a patch for minor things (some tabs, etc.) but rather submit a followup themselves 19:51 cait but in the wrong way. 19:50 mtj falling back on the 1 month rule would indeed improve throughput 19:50 cait something else? :) 19:50 cait #idea clone the QA team :) 19:50 cait bag: not sure i can let that count :) but .... oh well 19:49 bag cloning Joubu and the rest of the team 19:48 cait #topic Ideas to improve throughput 19:48 cait which brings me to the next topic :) 19:47 cait Joubu: i will try to look after that one 19:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. 19:47 Joubu I asked Galen to give his opinion on bug 10363, but I didn't have any feedback 19:46 cait ok to move on to the next topic? should I add something more to the minutes? 19:45 cait Joubu: i am sorry, i know that#s your topic, i will try to follow up on that 19:45 cait it would be 19:44 bag that would be great 19:43 cait I'd like to get an opinion of gmcharlt on the possiblity of dbix for 3.14 19:43 khall yes. We don't want to hold up bugfixes any more than we have too 19:43 cait I'd like to postpone the discussion about the new module 19:42 cait i think maybe differentiate between adding new features and fixing bad behaviour there too 19:41 khall agreed. I think new subs need a strict requiremtn for unit tests, existing code a yes with case by case exemptions 19:41 cait if the solution can be tested well using a test plan 19:41 cait i am iwlling to make exceptions for bugs for example 19:40 cait i thik we can still make exceptions in some cases, but without trying we won't get good examples to copy from 19:40 Joubu tough 19:40 Joubu C4::Circ, C4::Auth, C4::Acq don't have unit tests for all routines. It will be though to modify some routines in these modules. 19:40 khall the biggest problem I see with requiring unit tests for exisiting subroutines are some are quite large and do far too much 19:40 cait ... 19:40 cait but i am still stuck on a patch where i need to mock a cgi object 19:40 cait i have tried my hands on some and it's seems a lot easier than mocking 19:39 cait i think it got easier using transactions now 19:39 khall cait: I'd say that's usually the most difficult part for me. 19:39 cait Joubu: is the problem creating the data? 19:38 paul_p something like a framework 19:38 mtj looks like we all agree about the unit tests :) 19:38 paul_p Joubu can you give more details about " a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file" ? Could we quickly add an "empty" unit test file for all modules ? 19:37 cait i can 19:37 cait i thik the unit test one could maybe go on the coding guidelines as well - if the RM agrees 19:37 paul_p QA manager, you take care of creating it ? 19:37 Joubu I agree too, even if a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file for this module 19:37 cait #action add a page with information about QA to the wiki 19:36 bag yes that would be nice 19:36 cait no, we haven't one yet - but i think it's a good idea 19:36 cait #agreed agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed 19:36 paul_p side question = do we have a "qa rule" page on the wiki. I think we should 19:36 huginn` cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 19:36 cait @agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed 19:35 bag +1 19:35 cait cool :) so we can agree! :) 19:35 druthb +1 19:35 khall agreed 19:35 paul_p agreed. 19:34 cait that seems to work quite well 19:34 cait I think currently we have been asking for tests for new subs and changes to existing ones 19:33 cait and I think we should encourage them the best we can 19:33 cait i also find them really helpful when doing QA 19:33 cait kenza++ again 19:33 cait we have seen a lot of work on unit tests lately :) that's great 19:32 cait #topic passing QA 19:31 cait ok, i think we are not ´moving here... so moving on seems like a good idea 19:31 cait bag: yep i think that is the point :) 19:31 khall thanks cait! 19:31 cait khall: andsort by those 19:31 khall agreed, we could discuss this for hours 19:31 cait khall: you can add severity and priority to the list as columns, the option is at the bottom of the bugzilla search result list 19:30 paul_p cait = i'd like to leave this question for later, and go back to agenda. But that's a topic for hackfest, probably... 19:30 bag doesn't signoff and QA help eliminate some of that problem though? isn't that the point? 19:30 khall cait: I can search for all signed-off patches easily, but I'm not aware of any way to filter by "Importance" 19:30 cait but we will always disagree on that I think :) 19:30 cait and getting bugs fixed often as well 19:30 cait pulling things out that have proven problamtic after being pushed has proved quite hard 19:29 cait if noone takes the time before they go oin - it's unlikely someone will once they do 19:29 khall I'm afraid I agree with both cait and paul_p ; ) 19:29 cait in my experience :) and i have said that before 19:29 cait noone is going to take that time 19:28 paul_p cait (an off topic question once again...) 19:28 cait yeah, but noone is going to test 19:28 paul_p cait I already have said that many times, but my conviction is that "push asap enhancement, and take time to test/check them before release" is the most efficent way to go 19:28 cait khall: not sure i understand you right : ) but thequeues on he dashboard are linked :) 19:28 bag hmm do some of the to-qa patches depend on "passed QA" to be pushed? 19:27 khall that's a sensible proposition. Is there anyway to filter bugzilla for just signed-off bugs? I haven't found one. 19:27 cait paul_p: I know some of those are quite big 19:26 cait and we should have them as stable as possible 19:26 paul_p cait = I agree we have to speak of the to-qa queue, but the pile of passed QA patches contains 10 patches that are pending since june. So I don't share your optimism about the QA queue being lowered when the RM pushes. But let's speak of the to-qa queue 19:26 cait I would reall ylike to try and get the number of bugs down in that queue first - because those get transported down into the maintained versions 19:25 mtj agreed 19:24 cait i think the queues we need to discuss are waiting for qa and needs sign-off 19:24 cait and we can help out with giving things a second sign off there too 19:23 cait i think the one waiting to be pushed are not the problem, those numbers tend to get lower pretty fast when the RM is in action 19:23 bag cait I am THE dense sometimes :P 19:23 drojf or is it over already? :) 19:23 cait bag: the numbers are there, in color :) 19:23 * bag sends caffeine to gmcharlt 19:23 wahanui dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 19:23 cait dashboard? 19:23 cait hi drojf 19:22 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, lurking 19:22 khall we currently have 63 bugs set to Passed QA 19:22 bag how many passed QA are still waiting to be pushed? 19:22 cait but we only can change that by working together - i can't do a lot more than i have been doing the last few months - so I really need some help here to get things moving 19:22 cait it's understandable 19:22 cait i know that developers are frustrated about their things not going in 19:22 druthb no days off for the RM! 19:20 cait I think even RM deserves some days off? :) 19:20 cait paul_p: gmcharlt wanted to be here, but i think he has been travelling the last few days and only comes back today 19:19 paul_p cait OTOH, without galen pushing, reducing QA queue won't be successfull (too bad gmcharlt is not around...) 19:19 cait Joubu: I am going to try - but i don't have a lot of spare time right now - september is busy month here, which is a problem 19:19 wahanui bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there 19:19 cait bug 8015 19:19 Joubu I started to qa 8015 and submitted a lot of followups, so I would prefer others pair of eyes look at it. But it looks very good to me! 19:18 cait because the deadlines are getting really close 19:18 cait that's part of the reason for the meeting... I think we need to try and lower the numbers 19:18 * mtj reads the scrollback... 19:18 cait I know currently a lot of things are stuck in the queue 19:18 cait hi mtj 19:17 mtj hi all 19:17 bag sounds like a good idea 19:17 cait i think it would be better if you get worried about a bug to contact other qa team members who can take a look first 19:17 * druthb hands cait the wiffle bat, to use as needed on rowdy Californians. 19:16 cait i think big new features count as huge 19:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 new feature, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add MARC Modifications Templates 19:16 cait bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there 19:16 bag bigger font? :P 19:16 bag what equals a HUGE patch? 19:16 cait i am going to add you as a QA contact to those later? 19:16 cait #action druthb will try to take a look at UNIMARC patches 19:15 cait and not for huge patches 19:15 cait and it's an emergency rule 19:15 druthb yis. 19:15 cait khall: definitely 19:15 cait ok, and druthb would offer to look at UNIMARC? 19:15 khall nor did I. I assume QA'ing my own original patch would be a bad idea still? But QAing something where I only wrote a followup would be ok, assuming it's older than a month. 19:15 cait ;) 19:15 cait #action bag also offered to help cait test SIP2 patches 19:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Signed Off , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail 19:14 cait #action bag offered to QA LDAP patches - starting with bug 9299 19:14 paul_p bag meeting already useful then ;-) 19:14 bag oh paul_p I did not know that 19:14 cait we have bag for LDAP? 19:14 cait ok 19:14 cait #topic QA priorities 19:14 cait let me st a new topic 19:13 cait so i think for those it's a bit difficult 19:13 cait no it has not, but the old ones are pretty complicated 19:13 paul_p bag & cait & others = in the previous release, the rule for QA was "anyone from the QA team, even someone involved in the patch or signoff, can QA once the patch is more than 1 month old". afaik, this rule has not been cancelled 19:13 cait #info druthb will join the QA team to help out qa'ing 19:12 cait i will note that we have ruth on the qa team now 19:12 bag heh 19:12 cait let's move a bit slower so i can keep up 19:12 cait great :) 19:12 bag I will do the LDAP one. I can test that :) 19:12 cait bag: that would be helpful - i have figured out how to set up the sip server by now :) 19:12 khall bag: how about those ldap related patches? 19:11 bag I can test SIP - but all SIP2 patches in agenda are from khall so I can't… perhaps I can schedule sometime with cait to help QA those? 19:11 cait any more opinions? 19:11 paul_p ) 19:11 paul_p druthb++ (yes for me as well 19:11 druthb Not sure how much time I'll have, but I'll try to throw a few in, particularly on the UNIMARC patches that are needing signoff, and other things that Her Caitness needs me to do. 19:11 khall absolutely! 19:11 cait khall: i think that was a yes? :) 19:11 cait #topic QA team 19:11 khall druthb++ 19:10 cait ruth has offered to help out with QA 19:10 cait ok, i think we got another agenda item 19:10 cait :) 19:10 druthb I'm here, with cookies! 19:10 druthb #info Ruth Bavousett 19:10 khall looks good to me! 19:10 paul_p ;-) 19:10 cait do i need to bribe you all with cookies? 19:10 paul_p cait = joubu & I have discussed of what we putted on the agenda, you added a few things that I agree with, so the agenda is OK for me 19:09 cait is there something missing on the agenda? or something we should leave out for today? Discuss first? 19:08 cait but maybe we can still discuss a few things and gather some ideas 19:08 cait we are not as many as I had hoped for 19:08 cait #info Agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/QA_team_meeting,_3rd_September_2013 19:08 Joubu (sorry for being late) 19:08 cait ok, today's agenda is on the wiki 19:07 cait ah :) 19:07 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 19:07 cait #topic Agenda 19:07 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 19:07 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre 19:07 bag #info Brendan Gallagher 19:07 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 19:06 cait ok, quick poll - who is around? :) 19:06 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:06 cait #topic introductions 19:06 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'qa_team_meeting' 19:06 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:06 huginn` Meeting started Tue Sep 3 19:06:29 2013 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06 cait #startmeeting QA Team Meeting 19:06 paul_p cait = we can I think 19:05 cait ok, people think we should start? 19:05 bag I love it 19:05 tcohen [off] bye #koha, ejoy the QA meeting 19:04 cait it's always exciting 19:04 cait I am travelling to train a library tomorrow - training on thursday and friday :) 19:03 bag so far cait I think they understand OPAC and Patrons… onto Circ after lunch :) 19:02 cait how is it going? :) 19:02 cait :) 19:02 bag I am training a library in San Francisco - it is such a beautiful library (old brick building - completely restored) /me feeling lucky being here 19:02 cait gmcharlt? mtj? Joubu? rangi? 19:01 cait ok, i am a little less worried now :) but some more would be good 19:01 bag back 19:01 cait hi khall :) 19:01 khall hey all! 19:00 bag bb in one sec 18:59 cait nice! 18:59 paul_p hi bag ! 18:59 cait oh hi bag :) 18:59 bag ok I am taking a lunch break from training so I can be here 18:59 cait i suggest we wait until 5 past or so 18:58 cait haven't heard from marcelr 18:58 cait i got an auto-reply from bag, so I think he won't 18:58 paul_p cait Joubu said he will be here 18:57 cait paul_p: let's hope some more show up :) 18:56 cait hi paul_p 18:54 paul_p hello #koha ! 18:32 drojf if you insist ;) 18:31 mtompset And I reserve the right to censor myself as a practice of self control. :P 18:31 drojf i can live with that. :D 18:31 jcamins But I reserve the right to be offended. 18:30 drojf iit's the internet. you are allowed to say shit 18:29 mtompset GAH! Shoot... just lost my patch. 18:18 wahanui well, fixing is better than wiping, but it's up to you. 18:18 mtompset fixing... 18:18 mtompset found it... cataloguing/value_builder/upload.pl 18:13 mtompset I think that is it... Going to recreate it. 18:13 jcamins In that case, I'd guess that probably the file isn't there, isn't executable, or is otherwise unusable. 18:12 jcamins No, memcached is not enabled by default, I was listing possibilities. 18:11 mtompset I go to re-enable it, and the file I am expecting in the list, isn't listed. 18:11 mtompset Okay... I did enable it, but now it isn't there. 18:10 mtompset A newer version is? 18:10 mtompset I'm not using memcached. 18:10 jcamins You are using Plack and need to restart the Plack process. 18:10 jcamins You need to restart memcached. 18:10 jcamins Possible options: you didn't enable it. 18:08 mtompset So, why isn't the plugin icon displaying? 18:07 jcamins You're working with a cataloging plugin, so koha-conf.xml has nothing to do with it either. 18:05 mtompset Only the koha-conf.xml? 18:04 jcamins None of the sysprefs have anything to do with the plugins that show up, though. 18:03 jcamins mtompset: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/administration.html#CatalogModuleRelink 18:02 mtompset What is CatalogModuleRelink? 18:01 mtompset Running through the sysprefs first... 17:53 mtompset Have to remember what I did to get it working. 17:53 mtompset I had it working... now its broken again. 17:50 cait :) 17:48 tcohen to rebase or not to rebase (an old patch), that's the question 17:44 mtompset tangentially related. :P 17:42 tcohen oh, you're talking about something completely different :-D 17:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , File upload in MARC 17:41 wahanui it has been said that bug 6874 is epic 17:41 mtompset bug 6874 17:41 mtompset The upload.pl plugin isn't listed in my drop down list... I'm attempted to backport 6874 17:40 wahanui go back to bed, eythian 17:40 tcohen eythian? 17:39 tcohen ssh-add 17:39 tcohen why? 17:38 mtompset Shoot... I must have forgotten to package upload.pl? 17:37 tcohen <enable_plugins>1</enable_plugins> 17:36 tcohen <pluginsdir>/var/lib/koha/$name/plugins</pluginsdir> 17:36 mtompset Oh right... the configuration of the plugin. 17:34 cait hi #koha 17:33 mtompset still working on it... distracted. :) 17:21 tcohen did it work for you? 17:20 tcohen i know :-P 17:19 tcohen /var/lib/koha/$name/plugins 17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fix the new plugin system for package installs 17:19 mtompset It seems related to bug 9890 in part. 17:19 mtompset Yes. 17:18 tcohen packages install? 17:17 mtompset Where is the default plugins directory supposed to be? 17:15 tcohen on some ocassions I printed a message on the koha-upgrade-schema run 17:15 mtompset Okay, manual fix the file it is. :) 17:15 tcohen you don't mtompset 17:13 mtompset When you upgrade a packages system... how do you update the koha-conf.xml file? 17:12 mtompset Hmmm... 17:12 mtompset or not... 17:02 mtompset YAY! Self-rolled 3.12.4 works in my QA system. :) 16:45 druthb Hi, nengard! :) 16:44 kf bye all - cya later 16:37 nengard hiya 16:36 mtompset evening, drojf. Greetings, nengard. 16:26 tcohen eythian++ # new packages built 16:19 reiveune bye 16:09 drojf hi druthb and tcohen 16:08 tcohen hi drojf 15:58 druthb hi, drojf! :) 15:56 drojf hi kf 15:55 kf evening drojf 15:55 drojf evening #koha 15:37 gaetan_B bye ! 15:13 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes 14:47 mtompset I see someone did program it. :) 14:47 wahanui gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify 14:47 mtompset gitify? 14:46 jcamins McCloud: there is a tool you can use to convert a package installation to use git, if you want to do development while still having all the scripts that come with the packages. 14:43 McCloud thank you 14:41 kf McCloud: you only need git if you want to do local changes/development. 14:41 jcamins And development is not particularly tied to the Linux flavor, though you'll have a lot more luck with with Koha using Debian/Ubuntu/Mint than using Fedora/CentOS/RHEL. 14:40 jcamins McCloud: no. Ideally installing Koha for production should never involve version control. 14:40 McCloud I'm trying to understand this concept of version control system on my Debian system, compared to say a Ubuntu system. I basically want to know if setting up Debian installs Git or is it set up during the install of Koha? 14:33 kf McCloud: do you want to do development? 14:33 mtompset That page is best if you are doing a production system installation. :) 14:33 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:33 mtompset packages? 14:32 mtompset That page is probably best for you, if you intend to install a development system. 14:32 wahanui hmmm... git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:32 mtompset git? 14:31 mtompset oh... packages don't set up git. 14:30 mtompset I thought it was on the wiki page. 14:27 McCloud Is anyone here familiar with how Git or GitHub is set up during the Debian package install process? 13:45 tcohen hi mtompset 13:45 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :) 13:44 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 13:38 mtompset Greetings, kf tcohen lds. :) 13:38 kf tcohen: using existing slides 13:37 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:36 kf tcohen: the problem is always the drawings and diagrams for me 13:27 tcohen impress 4.1 worked great for me 13:26 kf powerpoint-- 13:17 kf ah now it worked :) 13:16 kf someon else having problems accessing git? 13:16 jcamins If your browser doesn't support HTML5, you're going to have problems no matter what. 13:16 kf hm 13:16 kf cool :) 13:15 jcamins I don't really see any problems with accessibility. 13:12 kf file upload sounds good too 13:12 kf if there is another way that seems ok, but i am not really an expert 13:08 tcohen a fallback mode can be done, using a simple file upload dialog i guess 13:07 tcohen we currently have a way to upload cover images on the tools section 13:06 kf i am a bit worried about accessibility - not sure if you could do a fallback? 13:06 kf tcohen: i thik jcamins did something with drag and drop for the opac plugins 12:55 tcohen hi kf 12:55 tcohen please, don't flood the IRC with your responses :-P 12:54 tcohen (cover images upload) 12:54 tcohen #koha: is HTML5 stuff like file drag and drop acceptable for the staff interface? 12:53 kf hi druthb and tcohen 12:53 kf hi dc 12:53 druthb hi, tcohen. :) 12:52 tcohen hi druthb 12:49 druthb o/ 12:35 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:35 tcohen @later tell dcook, please share your merge. it looks like the ajax call is not given a json content-type 12:32 tcohen morning #koha 11:56 samueld thank you vfernandes :-) 11:55 vfernandes thanks anyway :) 11:55 vfernandes the subfields where hidden in one framework 11:54 vfernandes kf I've already solved my problem 11:54 kf should read more carefully 11:53 kf oh sorry vfernandes - i missed your answer 11:53 vfernandes for mass uploading you need to have a zip file with the images, where each image needs to have borrowernumber as name 11:52 kf samueld: the photos are stored in a database table linked to your borrower record, i think it's patronimages 11:51 kf samueld: there is no automated download 11:51 kf samueld: there is a tool for mass uploading and you can upload the photo from the patron record 11:51 vfernandes patronimages table or something like that 11:50 vfernandes they are saved in the database 11:42 samueld i've a question: when i enabled the system preferences "patronimages", photo of borrower can be imported in koha but where these photos are located in koha? Where i have to define the source where i dowload photos? 11:40 samueld hi everybody :-) 10:59 vfernandes wait... my bad :/ the models are different and the subfields are invisible in the editor 10:57 vfernandes what could be? 10:57 vfernandes if I create a new record, when trying to add new items the items cataloguing fields are hidden 10:56 vfernandes if I try to add one item to one migrated record the items cataloguing fields appear 10:54 vfernandes guys i'm having a strange problem in koha 3.12 10:54 vfernandes hi :) 08:40 * kf wins 08:40 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (10:40 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 08:40 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:33 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:33 rangi @wunder nzwn 08:33 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.9°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 08:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:01 kf [off] heh 08:00 drojf [off] lol. they delayed the opening of berlin's new airport again. won't be done in 2014. i had a flight booked from there to kohacon in edinburgh. :D 07:51 kf paul_p: i might try swiss chocolate - even if i am not directly in switzerland - but maybe it counts that you can just cross the border from the inner city :) 07:50 rangi :) 07:50 paul_p kf = yes I will. I already tried in 2009, and having some cheese properly packed is OK. at least it was for this man that was on the borders ;-) 07:49 rangi http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg20175.html 07:49 paul_p strange, I have no message since aug 28th 07:49 rangi oh yes 07:49 kf paul_p: guess you have to come up with a plan on how to import french cheese into US now - although I think they probably don't let you in with dangerous things like that :) 07:48 paul_p lol :D 07:47 rangi http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg20174.html 07:47 paul_p hi rangi. Yes I do, except I don't read all the messages, there are too many 07:46 rangi paul_p: are you on the code4lib mailing list? 07:46 rangi hehe 07:46 gaetan_B actually the idea of deep frying a croissant is quite outrageous if you ask me :D 07:45 drojf 'cronuts are "a bold step forward for pastry,"' <-- rofl 07:43 drojf :) 07:42 rangi must be 07:42 drojf "the Cronut (the name is trademarked)". so "croinuts" is the free and open source bakeware version? 07:42 kf all evil things are :) 07:41 kf but i bet they are delicious 07:41 kf rangi: if you ate them every day i would be worried about your health 07:39 rangi http://www.lacloche.co.nz/ <-- this is my favourite french cafe in wellington 07:38 gaetan_B ok :) 07:38 rangi i think they only moved to nz about 5 years ago 07:38 rangi english in the french style :) 07:37 gaetan_B ? 07:37 gaetan_B "our dear customers" 07:37 gaetan_B is it new zealand english or are they actually writing english in the french style 07:35 rangi or i would eat them every day 07:35 rangi it's lucky that bakery is not on my way to work 07:34 rangi ahh true 07:34 gaetan_B i'm in paris so it might be easier to find them here 07:34 rangi they are really really good :) 07:34 rangi http://www.bordeauxbakery.co.nz/home/ 07:34 gaetan_B i'll look out for them then ! 07:34 gaetan_B never heard of those 07:33 gaetan_B o_O 07:33 rangi its a cross between a donut and a croissant 07:33 gaetan_B croinuts ? 07:33 rangi gaetan_B: can you get croinuts in marseille ? 07:28 drojf :) 07:27 kf i just wanted to be nice ;) 07:26 drojf i wanted four ;) i think i got more but i did not latexify it yet 07:26 drojf hi kf and rangi 07:26 rangi hi drojf 07:26 kf did you write your 3 pages? 07:26 kf morning drojf 07:26 kf :) 07:25 drojf dcook is too fast for at this time of day 07:25 drojf good morning #koha 07:25 dcook Night everyone else 07:25 dcook Hey ya drojf 07:21 kf hi rangi :) 07:21 rangi hi gaetan_B abd kf 07:20 * kf waves 06:59 gaetan_B hello 06:41 dcook I don't know. Once you go open source, I don't know why you'd want to go back. 06:41 dcook Not really digging their website. It's very much "Buy our software. It's on the Internet!" 06:39 dcook True that 06:38 rangi features are for today, freedom is forever 06:38 rangi im never really one for feature vs feature comparisons, specially when its apples to oranges, like free software vs proprietary 06:36 dcook Visiting rather 06:36 dcook Yeah, that's the link I'm reading now 06:36 rangi http://www.accessitlibrary.co.uk/ 06:35 rangi its some nz schools thing 06:35 cait brb 06:35 cait but i have to go :) 06:35 cait microsoft 06:35 cait hm yeah and microsort 06:35 dcook So far I'm getting a buzzwords and pure marketing. 06:34 * dcook is looking up info 06:34 dcook Me either 06:33 cait no idea what accessit is 06:33 cait lol 06:33 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:33 reiveune hello 06:32 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/374781442825256961 06:32 dcook ta cait :) 06:31 cait bbl :) 05:32 cait hi dcook 05:32 dcook Actually, maybe it's just the code I'm looking at right now which is mindboggling bad... 05:31 dcook hey ya cait :) 05:31 dcook PHP...you make me a little crazy... 04:34 dcook yata! 04:34 dac Hmm 04:25 wizzyrea hehe 04:24 eythian http://www.artvcancer.com/product/what-s-that-thing-he-s-on <-- wizzyrea 03:50 wizzyrea 10 kinds of people are those who understand binary, and those who don't. 03:35 dcook hehe 03:35 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:35 eythian wahanui: two kinds of people is those \who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. 03:35 wahanui eythian: bugger all, i dunno 03:35 eythian wahanui: two kinds of people is those who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. 03:34 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 03:34 eythian wahanui: two kinds of people 03:20 ibeardslee ahh 03:20 rangi that was in relation to the 'dont design a cataloguing standard thing, when stephen said think of yourself as a librarian' 03:19 ibeardslee rangi: is that in relation to that other discussion? 02:59 wizzyrea your good ones always end in 3 02:59 dcook hehe 02:59 rangi ibeardslee: ^^ 02:58 huginn` rangi: Quote #273: "rangi: The main thing I came to realise is -- 'Your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' - which translates to - 'friends don't let friends use RDA'" (added by wizzyrea at 01:04 AM, August 30, 2013) 02:58 rangi @quote get 273 01:04 huginn` rangi: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." 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