Time  Nick       Message
23:03 rangi      :)
22:59 jcamins    One reason why the Koha community is entertaining, and one reason why they should come to the conference. :)
22:51 jcamins    Well, if you insist.
22:50 rangi      dare you to reply and say that :)
22:50 rangi      heh
22:50 jcamins    rangi: French cheese.
22:46 rangi      https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1309&L=CODE4LIB&F=&S=&P=6523
21:34 cait       hi eythian :)
21:34 eythian    hi
21:10 wahanui    I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
21:10 cait       welcome back
21:09 rangi      back
20:21 rangi      ok, taking kids to school bbl
20:19 cait       :)
20:19 rangi      interestingly, the session is sponsored by RMIT publishing :)
20:19 rangi      australia, im in your country, annoying your publishers
20:17 rangi      kablam
20:17 rangi      http://www.vala.org.au/valatech2014-boot-camp#bootcampb
20:02 cait       it beats every elephant in memory :)
19:59 rangi      :)
19:57 liw        git never forget, git never forgives :)
19:56 rangi      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=xt/fix-old-fsf-address;h=6a67d8ba7e05d687ee7cc0442cb87d22fc581373;hb=HEAD
19:55 liw        :)
19:55 rangi      well to be fair, you wrote a script to do it :)
19:54 cait       liw++
19:54 cait       heh
19:54 liw        I did? how very pedantic of me
19:54 cait       so all ok then :)
19:53 rangi      that was one of the first things liw did on koha, fix all the FSF addresses :)
19:53 rangi      right too
19:53 rangi      got the write street address
19:53 rangi      yep al good
19:50 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Coding_Guidelines&curid=175&diff=11210&oldid=11192
19:50 cait       I see that mtompset changed our license text in the coding guidelines?
19:49 cait       hm
19:49 liw        equivs is the right answer for that, yes
18:36 jcamins    I meant virtual package, not metapackage, I think.
18:36 jcamins    The solution was to use equivs to create a package that required my package and *did* provide the virtual package.
18:36 jcamins    My problem was that I was installing Java using a package that didn't provide the metapackage java-runtime5 (or something like that).
18:35 liw        good :)
18:35 jcamins    liw: I figured it out.
18:35 liw        jcamins, I don't understand the question, I'm afraid
18:31 jcamins    fredericd++
18:23 tcohen     bye #koha
18:21 tcohen     oh, that's good news!
18:21 jcamins    It was a test plan for a different bug.
18:21 jcamins    I realized why the test plan on the authority deduplicator seemed so completely wrong.
18:20 jcamins    tcohen: I'm going to be working on some patches later today, so I'll sign off on yours then. :)
18:17 tcohen     jcamins: can I trade bonus points for QAing some other thing?:-P
17:32 * tcohen   also, but it happens a few times that he belived to have succeded, and not
17:31 * jcamins  believed you. :P
17:31 tcohen     heh
17:31 tcohen     i browsed the MARC view only to show it wasn't just a .hide()
17:30 jcamins    Looks good to me.
17:30 tcohen     heh
17:30 tcohen     i recorded using a java applet, hence the operation slowliness
17:29 tcohen     jcamins: http://screenr.com/dnrH
17:23 jcamins    tcohen: yes it is.
17:21 tcohen     jcamins: idiomatic? "Are you sure you want to delete this cover image?"
17:10 jcamins    liw: if you're around, do you happen to know how to mark that a particular package should be considered to have been installed?
17:07 tcohen     its just the biblionumber :-D
17:03 jcamins    Just make sure you sanitize them.
17:03 jcamins    tcohen: if it's in a template, yes.
17:00 tcohen     jcamins: can I use TT variables inside JS code?
16:48 jcamins    Hm. There must be some way to say "replace dependencies on package X with dependencies on package Y" with Debian.
16:47 cait       and did you count in correction time?
16:47 cait       ok, and how many have ou written?
16:47 drojf      i think i will do my 4 pages a day, starting today. which would meet my plans. if i keep it that way for two weeks
16:46 cait       and see where i ended up
16:46 cait       i can get free inernet at my favourite bookstore cafe now....
16:46 cait       yeah i know what you mean
16:46 cait       aah, ore quiet? ;)
16:46 drojf      but it looks like having a tablet and no internet works quite good. having a computer here, not so much
16:45 drojf      [off] for bookedge scanner and beer ;)
16:44 drojf      no, switched to the office
16:44 cait       back from the library?
16:44 cait       hi drojf
16:43 drojf      hi cait
16:42 tcohen     hi cait
16:41 * cait     waves
16:39 gaetan_B   bye !
16:37 tcohen     heh, of course
16:36 jcamins    Being unable to install Ubuntu is a bit more disastrous if your goal is to install Ubuntu.
16:35 jcamins    Downloading a gazillion updates is annoying, but not a disaster.
16:35 jcamins    Based on my experience, I'd recommend sticking with 12.04.2.
16:35 tcohen     i haven't installed the very latest release (.3) but .2 without any issues
16:35 jcamins    Fortunately, Ubuntu 12.04 + lots of updates or Debian 7.1 + fewer updates works.
16:34 jcamins    tcohen: it was very sad indeed.
16:34 tcohen     sounds sad jcamins
16:32 jcamins    Partitioning is not exactly an unimportant task when you have a brand new system.
16:31 jcamins    Among other things, partitioning didn't work.
16:30 jcamins    Apparently either the latest Precise server image is broken or it doesn't work with my version of VirtualBox, but installing Precise using an image downloaded yesterday was a horrible, unsuccessful experience.
16:29 drojf      half the internet looks like twitter now ^^
16:28 drojf      when i was young there were websites that respected my bad, but working eyes by not having very little but huge text distributed over a ridiculous amount of scroll-down space
16:28 jcamins    tcohen: yes, provided you use a slightly older Ubuntu image.
16:28 tcohen     hey, vagrant and ubuntu coexist flawlessly
16:27 jcamins    Vagrant is an automated VM provisioner: http://www.vagrantup.com/
16:26 drojf      who's vagrant? linux distribution?
16:25 jcamins    ubuntu-- # for being way less cool
16:24 jcamins    vagrant++ # for being really cool
16:24 wahanui    thanks drojf :)
16:24 drojf      wahanui botsnack cookie
16:23 wahanui    somebody said log was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
16:23 drojf      log?
16:23 drojf      oh no, it's that weird time between kf and cait
16:22 drojf      good evening #koha
15:45 huginn`    tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:45 tcohen     @later tell oleonard are you gonna (eventually) substitute alerts for bootstrap modals?
15:03 reiveune   bye
14:46 jcamins    tcohen++
14:46 jcamins    tcohen: looks good to me!
14:45 tcohen     jcamins: http://snag.gy/hwlPK.jpg
14:28 kf         or we store them in a custom attribute for reference
14:28 kf         we normally don't migrate internal numbers here
14:27 vfernandes because borrowers are identified by cardnumber or by that number
14:27 jcamins    Or, I suppose, dump the table as SQL.
14:27 jcamins    You can preserve it by writing a custom script that does direct SQL inserts.
14:26 jcamins    Why is the number important?
14:26 vfernandes i'm trying to migrate some borrowers from one system to other but the number is important
14:23 kf         and there is also the question of what you are trying to achieve :)
14:23 kf         it might be different for sql
14:23 kf         i would do a test, but i think it might be not possible using the import tool
14:21 vfernandes so there isn't a way to maintain the borrowernumber?
14:20 kf         in my experience
14:19 kf         vfernandes: the borrowernumber can not be set using the import tool
14:17 vfernandes using borrower importing tool (by CSV)
14:17 vfernandes one question: is possible to migrate borrowers from other system and maintain borrowernumber?
14:16 vfernandes hi :)
13:00 tcohen     we need RESTfull access to stuff on the staff interface
12:58 kf         :)
12:55 tcohen     oops
12:55 tcohen     gti status
12:37 tcohen     hi kf
12:33 kf         morning tcohen :)
12:31 tcohen     dcook++
12:29 tcohen     morning #koha
08:43 kf         drojf: grump.
08:42 drojf      i wonder if there is already weihnachtsmarkt in the city :D
08:41 drojf      i want glühwein
08:41 drojf      lol
08:41 wahanui    did you try flushing the cache and deleting wahanui's cookies
08:41 kf         it's weird.
08:41 kf         yeah, i saw lebkuchen during the weekend
08:40 drojf      they have christmas stuff in stores now
08:35 drojf      brr
08:34 huginn`    kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.1°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
08:34 kf         @wunder Konstanz
08:33 drojf      winter!
08:33 huginn`    drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 15.6°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:33 drojf      @wunder berlin, germany
08:22 dcook      Hope you all have a good day :)
08:22 dcook      Time to head home, me thinks
08:01 dcook      thanks :)
08:01 dcook      d'aww
08:01 kf         :)
08:01 kf         you do and more
08:01 dcook      Hope I deserve it :p
08:00 kf         dcook++
07:55 dcook      waylonR: An OAI-PMH harvesting client for Koha
07:55 kf         hi paul_p
07:55 paul_p     good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever for your TZ #koha !
07:44 waylonR    dcook, what you working on?
07:39 dcook      It's about 1500 lines, so I think it's the biggest thing I've contributed to Koha yet
07:39 * dcook    isn't self-conscious at all...
07:39 dcook      It's still too early for regular users to try out, I think
07:39 dcook      Hmm, yeah, maybe I'll ask the koha-devel folks
07:36 wahanui    rumour has it mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
07:36 kf         or mailing list
07:36 kf         best to ask around and poit people to it directly
07:36 kf         hm the status alone won't help
07:33 dcook      I'd like feedback and more opinions
07:32 dcook      Mmm, in discussion might make sense then...
07:31 drojf      thanks for telling me ;)
07:31 kf         and it's not working totally well
07:31 kf         drojf: in discussion is asking for feedback or more opinions I would say
07:31 dcook      Ah, k. I'll change that.
07:31 drojf      hi kf
07:31 kf         but not needs sign off yet
07:31 * dcook    sees a magnuse as well
07:31 dcook      morning kf :)
07:31 kf         dcook: assigned
07:31 kf         good morning #koha, drojf and dcook
07:28 dcook      morning, btw ;)
07:28 dcook      Still a little ways to go I think
07:28 dcook      Thanks
07:27 drojf      dcook++
07:27 drojf      good morning #koha
07:23 dcook      "In discussion"?
07:23 dcook      Hmm, what bug status would a person use for a work in progress?
07:00 matts      hi !
06:56 gaetan_B   hello
06:41 reiveune   hello everybody :)
06:41 dcook      salut reiveune :)
06:32 cait       rangi++
05:28 cait       hi eythian
05:19 waylonR    ahh... turns out, i did make a seperate zebrasrv instance..
05:18 eythian    hi cait
05:13 dcook      This might sound weird...but I think I actually like documenting...sometimes
05:01 * dcook    is going to be so pleased when it's over
05:01 dcook      Ahhh, I feel like I'm almost done this test
05:00 dcook      ciao wizzyrea
05:00 wizzyrea   anyway got to run
04:58 wizzyrea   it is.
04:58 jcamins    Yeah... that Just Worked with Debian.
04:58 dcook      Sounds strange, wizzyrea :(
04:56 jcamins    Cool.
04:56 eythian    jcamins: not generally
04:56 wizzyrea   it's annoying though.
04:56 jcamins    Do I need a separate /boot partition?
04:56 wizzyrea   it's possibly not signficant
04:56 wizzyrea   weird. well I have a situation where the see also links return all of the authorities with the c on there, But without the c it returns what you might expect.
04:54 eythian    new packages uploading now.
04:53 wizzyrea   hehe
04:53 eythian    I miss my holiday.
04:52 wizzyrea   i missed you.
04:52 wizzyrea   heh
04:52 eythian    boring letters, over used.
04:52 eythian    a and b were probably deprecated.
04:52 jcamins    For some reason we don't use a or b in the OPAC.
04:52 wizzyrea   or "and_orc"
04:51 jcamins    'Cause it's always been operatorc.
04:51 * wizzyrea doesn't understandwhy "operatorc"
04:51 jcamins    Looks good to me.
04:51 wizzyrea   this is from the see also links in the opac
04:51 wizzyrea   cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=opac&operatorc=contains&marclistc=mainentry&and_orc=and&orderby=HeadingAsc&valuec=e-Learning < does this seem odd to anyone else?
04:40 * wizzyrea is glad it was ultimately easy
04:39 wizzyrea   I had an errant updatedatabase!
04:39 wizzyrea   ohhhkayyyy so sorted the rules thing :)
04:37 eythian    heh
04:35 jcamins    That worked. :D
04:35 jcamins    I deleted the hard drive image.
04:35 jcamins    Yep.
04:35 eythian    did it do the same thing?
04:35 jcamins    Nope.
04:35 eythian    did you manage to delete the inner partition?
04:35 eythian    what cfdisk looks like, should you be in a position to use it.
04:35 pastebot   "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Name Flags Part Type FS Type [" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/193
04:35 jcamins    I have never before had a problem with partitioning a computer for Linux, and I have installed Linux dozens and dozens of times. Including other versions of Ubuntu where the installer responded to input.
04:34 jcamins    Since in forty-five minutes I have been unsuccessful in partitioning the stupid hard drive, I'm just downloading Wheezy.
04:34 eythian    pity
04:34 jcamins    It doesn't seem to.
04:33 eythian    the rescue CD might have it, or it might not
04:33 jcamins    It doesn't seem to be.
04:33 eythian    I don't know
04:33 jcamins    But it isn't available if you don't have an actual bootable system, is it?
04:33 eythian    because it makes that kind of thing easier to see
04:33 eythian    also, use cfdisk
04:32 eythian    err where uitgebreid is extended, and wisselgeheugen is an overly long word for swap
04:31 eythian    e.g that
04:31 pastebot   "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apparaat Opstart Begin Einde B" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/192
04:31 jcamins    I'll download Wheezy and try again.
04:31 jcamins    This is silly.
04:31 jcamins    You know what?
04:31 jcamins    So... there's no swap at all?
04:31 eythian    swap is type 82
04:30 eythian    start with sda5
04:30 jcamins    Or, I would be.
04:30 jcamins    I'm happy to delete all the partitions and start over.
04:30 eythian    of course you can't change that, you have another partition inside it
04:29 eythian    that's an extended partition
04:29 eythian    that's not swap
04:29 eythian    -h
04:29 eythian    waith
04:29 eythian    also
04:29 eythian    at least, I don't think it should
04:29 eythian    that's not the sort of thing that happens in a well behaved environment.
04:29 jcamins    That is what the installer did.
04:28 jcamins    This is a brand new system.
04:28 jcamins    eythian: good question.
04:28 eythian    jcamins: why is your swap space sitting over your lvm?
04:28 jcamins    Ah, forget it.
04:28 mtompset   Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. Today is a holiday (it's after midnight) here. :)
04:27 eythian    that's surprising.
04:27 jcamins    It shows the partition being gone, then when I try to create a new one, it's back.
04:27 eythian    so, the whole machine locks up and processes no instructions beyond that point?
04:27 wahanui    nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
04:27 jcamins    Nothing.
04:26 jcamins    I have spent the last forty-five minutes being unable to change the size of my swap partition.
04:26 eythian    what happens when you try?
04:26 eythian    probably.
04:26 eythian    it just means you shouldn't be working on sda, you should be working on the devicemapper thing.
04:26 jcamins    eythian: yeah, but shouldn't I be able to delete it?
04:26 eythian    which is fine and normal
04:26 eythian    jcamins: oh, you probably have lvm taking up your whole free space then.
04:25 dcook      wizzyrea: Nope.
04:25 wizzyrea   ok, has anyone ever experienced not being able to add circ rules?
04:25 jcamins    I'm thinking the problem is that the installer put in lvm.
04:24 pastebot   Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "/dev/sda1 2048 499711 248832 8" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/191
04:22 eythian    what is your partition layout like?
04:22 jcamins    I have never had a problem doing this before.
04:22 jcamins    fdisk
04:22 jcamins    I have no idea.
04:22 eythian    you're using cfdisk or something?
04:22 eythian    why won't it let you?
04:22 jcamins    wtf?
04:22 jcamins    And in the emergency shell it won't let me great a 1.5GB partition.
04:21 wizzyrea   jeez*
04:21 wizzyrea   LOL SORRY jez.
04:21 eythian    wizzyrea: you missed the â„¢ that I put there
04:20 huginn`    wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #274 added.
04:20 wizzyrea   @quote add eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea
04:20 wizzyrea   with TM.
04:19 eythian    you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Ideaâ„¢
04:19 eythian    oh wait
04:19 eythian    I dunno, you started with the premise that you did.
04:19 waylonR    Why do i need it seperate anyway?
04:18 eythian    hrm
04:17 waylonR    need it on these servers, to prove the speed difference though. What about putting the dev inside a vm on these servers?
04:17 jcamins    This is absurd.
04:17 jcamins    I'll try the emergency boot disk.
04:16 eythian    (cos I'll have to be making a new vm for it)
04:16 eythian    I want do to some yubikey experimenting on a vm tonight so maybe I'll try that then.
04:16 eythian    I haven't tried to do that in a long while actually
04:16 jcamins    I know!
04:16 waylonR    hmmm.
04:16 eythian    how odd
04:15 jcamins    eythian: it refuses to let me change partition sizes.
04:15 eythian    jcamins: waddaya mean?
04:15 eythian    waylonR: then I would copy everything to another server and not mess around on a production server.
04:14 waylonR    nope, this server(s) is hot active. koha development on a different apache virtualhost. and I want to index the dev server, with koha 3.1x setup, without affecting the old koha index.
04:14 jcamins    Ubuntu server no longer allows you to change partitions in the installer?
04:14 jcamins    wtf?
04:11 eythian    waylonR: this is a test server and you're just messing around?
04:11 wahanui    "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:11 dcook      first question?
04:10 waylonR    which way would be the easiest, to divide the zebra, seperate instance? or just a new index?
04:04 dcook      wizzyrea++
04:03 wizzyrea   that's rewarding. :)
04:03 * wizzyrea just helped a peruvian student install Koha
03:57 jcamins    In fact, it *specifically* isn't Zebra.
03:53 eythian    there are a number of things that are, but it generally isn't zebra
03:53 eythian    zebra is not a slow point in koha
03:51 waylonR    email from boss. basically, they'll custom build from almost scratch.. with Solr behind it... so... search speed wise, its possibly going to be better than koha.
03:49 waylonR    ah crap, that all went onto the log.. oh well.
03:49 waylonR    terface with Solr engine plus some other systems for authentication, statistics, customer tracking, journal tracking etc. which will be add later. Those systems in general are in php ( easier when trying to find a programmers). we will explore this direction and see if it better than koha, otherwise we will stick with koha."
03:49 waylonR    [off[ "whole new platform, based on open source system parallel with Koha. we would like to explore all the available options and decide which fits our need best. we have a friend who own a software company which has done several projects for different libraries. they are working now on several open source systems which will be integrated to form one platform. they have tried different repository systems and decide to go with Islandora, and Vufind search in
03:45 eythian    something specific in PHP, or he just wants more PHP for some oddball reason?
03:44 waylonR    eep... my boss is considering moving away from koha, to something php based.... could be out of a job sometime.
03:44 waylonR    ah
03:44 jcamins    Not so much come to a halt as never moved forward.
03:43 waylonR    come to a halt?
03:43 jcamins    Progressing.
03:43 wahanui    solr is, like, tied into the search rewrite
03:43 waylonR    solr?
03:43 waylonR    ?
03:43 jcamins    It is not.
03:43 waylonR    though, hows the solr progress going?
03:41 eythian    You could probably do it the way you suggest, but I've never tried it.
03:41 waylonR    or would i use a totally seperate zebra on a different port/instance?
03:40 waylonR    okay, can zebra hold indexes for more than just biblios and authorities for one server? the dev enviroment needs its own biblios database, i can just copy and paste the biblio server in the config, make biblios into bibliosdev, and copy every biblios config file?
03:37 dcook      Of course, re-writing the mod is probably a better way of going, but...
03:37 dcook      waylonR: There's an internal script that embeds the item-level data as a 952. I've had to use that for some of our local mods. You might find it useful as well.
03:36 dcook      (afaik)
03:36 dcook      Generally speaking they're either tags or fields, although subfields are always subfields (never subtags)
03:36 mtompset   just making sure I didn't have a terminology problem. :P
03:36 dcook      mtompset: That's the same thing :p
03:35 eythian    it's a lot faster, and avoids some other MARC related issues
03:35 mtompset   my mistake... 339 tags.
03:35 waylonR    we abuse koha here.. branches = libraries. item in a branch = item appears in that libraries catalogue/search
03:35 dcook      mtompset: Not that I can think of.
03:35 mtompset   turns out the import export script kept running in the background, and it just finished.
03:34 waylonR    that might be okay..
03:34 eythian    it just takes the row in items and spits out a 952 from it
03:34 eythian    yeah
03:34 waylonR    ..... Okay, so item branch info etc gets exported to 952 and then to zebra?
03:34 eythian    but it's created from the items table when needed.
03:33 mtompset   dcook: Is there supposed to be 339 fields in the rda framework?
03:33 eythian    there is no 952 internally now
03:33 eythian    I don't know what that would mean
03:33 waylonR    oh wait..
03:33 waylonR    generated? so, one can't store information in 952 manually?
03:32 dcook      waylonR: You have my sympathy
03:32 eythian    so it's just an internal thing for the most part.
03:32 eythian    or, exporting, really
03:32 eythian    waylonR: the 952 is generated when sending to zebra
03:31 waylonR    ... I know, it sucks..
03:31 waylonR    from koha 3.0.0pre2
03:31 waylonR    currently, yes. im porting our mods to current.
03:31 mtompset   are you using a version prior to 3.4.x?
03:30 waylonR    items no longer stored in biblioitems.. does that make zebra searches for item information, impossibe? or does koha export item info to zebra still?
03:25 jcamins    And you will need to follow the instructions for upgrading that are in INSTALL.*
03:25 jcamins    waylonR: http://git-scm.com/documentation
03:24 waylonR    does that also rebase the etc files, or do i need to do something to rebase them? And how do i get all the commits ive done?
03:23 mtompset   And welcome back, waylonR.
03:23 mtompset   git rebase? ;)
03:22 waylonR    hiya all! okay, i am back on the ball. unfortunately, my last pull seems to be dec 2012... okay.... so, whats your advice for a dev returning to his work after a long absense?
03:22 manny      thanks guys
03:22 mtompset   I use VirtualBox for my daily work.
03:21 dcook      Well, a patch, then the unit tests
03:21 dcook      I'll keep that in mind for the future. Back to the unit tests for now :)
03:18 mtompset   windows host - ubuntu guest. :)
03:17 mtompset   at least with Ubuntu. :)
03:17 mtompset   I can help with that.
03:13 dcook      Another day..
03:13 dcook      I really do need to figure out the Virtualbox networking...
03:12 jcamins    Yep.
03:12 dcook      http://www.vagrantup.com/ ?
03:11 jcamins    You know, Vagrant is really cool.
03:10 dcook      Cool. That's what I was thinking as well.
03:10 jcamins    The second and third.
03:10 dcook      Do I include it in the updatedatabase.pl, do I just include it in the test, do I do a separate bug to add it to the defaults?
03:10 jcamins    dcook: that sounds fine.
03:09 jcamins    I wonder if I can run apt-cache on a Mac.
03:09 dcook      My OAI harvester needs the 999$c for fully functionality...
03:09 jcamins    I wish it were more clear what one should enter, but they work well.
03:09 wizzyrea   LOL that's exactly my question too ^.^
03:09 dcook      Well, I have a record matching rule that uses the 999$c
03:09 jcamins    What about 'em?
03:09 dcook      On an unrelated note, what are people's thoughts on record matching rules?
03:08 wizzyrea   no, there is no tool for that.
03:08 mtompset   and the QA system has pathetic memory.
03:08 mtompset   probably because of the way our systems go through a proxy?
03:07 wizzyrea   why would you get a timeout error?
03:07 mtompset   can't do it, if you get a timeout error.
03:07 wizzyrea   no, you just do it through the interface
03:07 wizzyrea   but that's kind of beside the point
03:07 mtompset   -- so back to my framework import problem... ;) -- is there a command-line tool for this?
03:07 wizzyrea   we have a package that can be installed to do that behaviour
03:06 manny      that's a good thing since they can do the practice all over again
03:06 jcamins    eythian: small class, I guess.
03:06 mtompset   Yes, that is a bonus. :)
03:06 eythian    they liked that it reset every day
03:06 wizzyrea   and Koha can definitely let you have practice with RDA
03:06 eythian    we discovered someone was using our demo for a class
03:06 manny      since proprietary softwares like follet is using rda to promote their software
03:05 wizzyrea   it's a fine idea
03:05 manny      i agree, but it will be an orientation for them to Koha
03:05 wizzyrea   and they're not really meant for that purpose anyway
03:05 dcook      Nor would a "koha-community" demo
03:05 wizzyrea   nah
03:05 jcamins    I don't think the ByWater demo will support an entire class.
03:04 mtompset   a demo site that has RDA framework available.
03:04 manny      sharing my idea
03:04 wizzyrea   soooo what are you wanting?
03:04 mtompset   is there a command-line tool?
03:04 manny      my goal is for them to learn rda using Koha
03:04 mtompset   and currently there is no such site.
03:03 manny      online training type
03:03 dcook      Or are you planning an online training type thing?
03:03 dcook      Where are you planning to do this training?
03:02 manny      a seperated site that will host the training practice instruction linking to bywater demo page for the actual visual training
03:02 manny      bywater demo site will be a good practice page
03:01 wizzyrea   you have no computers on which to install koha?
03:01 mtompset   (we can't afford to host such a thing)
03:01 dcook      Yeah, mtompset, I think that's the thing
03:00 manny      i'm thingking bywater demo site
03:00 manny      yes, you can read a lot regarding rda, but having a visual practice site will be very helpful
03:00 jcamins    manny: sure. I see nothing to prevent that.
02:59 mtompset   I think the problem is: hosting a site for training purposes, and two actually having the training materials written. ;)
02:59 manny      but what i'm saying is that Koha is a free ILS software that can be used in training/ orienting librarians regarding rda
02:59 jcamins    Okay, good. No problem.
02:59 manny      jcamins, yes we will use the framework
02:57 wizzyrea   ^^
02:57 wahanui    it has been said that RDA Framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Export_RDA.sql
02:57 wizzyrea   RDA Framework?
02:57 wizzyrea   you have to have the framework for Koha to support RDA.
02:57 jcamins    Yeah, you can't not import the framework and expect Koha to magicallyuse it.
02:57 wizzyrea   well then Koha doesn't support RDA.
02:57 * mtompset grins.
02:56 wizzyrea   oh sorry. Don't profit.
02:56 manny      nope, i'm not into the import of rda framework
02:56 jcamins    [off] wizzyrea: this is *libraries*.
02:56 wizzyrea   4. profit.
02:56 jcamins    manny: there is nothing to prevent that. Import the framework. You're done.
02:56 wizzyrea   3. install the linked framework into that
02:56 manny      wizzyrea rda?
02:56 wizzyrea   2. Create a new framework
02:56 wizzyrea   1. Install Koha
02:56 wizzyrea   ...so which part are you stuck on
02:56 manny      it will be a promotional thing for Koha
02:55 manny      so if possible to create a training site that will let them see and feel the changes in rda using koha
02:55 mtompset   We already have an RDA framework.
02:55 mtompset   manny, you putting it up in QA?
02:55 manny      yes, but discussing rda without a visual practice on the changes or upgrades is hard
02:54 wizzyrea   Koha can deal with RDA.
02:53 manny      but the biggest hindrance is a ILS that can cater rda
02:53 wizzyrea   through the interface
02:53 wizzyrea   Create a new empty framework, and import that onto it
02:53 wizzyrea   you import it into Koha
02:53 mtompset   so, I just source it?
02:53 manny      here in the philippines, librarians are training/ orienting about rda
02:52 dcook      That be the framework
02:52 wizzyrea   RDA framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Export_RDA.sql
02:52 jcamins    framework library?
02:52 manny      i am discussing to mark on how we can promote more koha using rda
02:52 jcamins    framework download?
02:51 wizzyrea   RDA framework?
02:51 wizzyrea   shush wahanui
02:51 wahanui    somebody said on the wiki was more information about the packages
02:51 wizzyrea   on the wiki
02:51 wahanui    the framework is probably gone.
02:51 mtompset   where is the framework?
02:51 manny      thanks mark
02:51 dcook      Not really much to talk about
02:51 mtompset   I figured you two should talk. ;)
02:51 manny      good morning
02:51 manny      hi dcook
02:51 dcook      hey ya manny
02:50 mtompset   manny, this is dcook. dcook this manny. dcook put out a new RDA framework. manny is my librarian colleague friend from the Philippines. :)
02:50 dcook      What's up?
02:50 manny      good morning mtompset
02:50 dcook      mtompset: Always
02:50 eythian    later tcohen
02:50 mtompset   Good night, tcohen.
02:49 tcohen     night #koha
02:49 mtompset   dcook: You still around?
02:49 mtompset   but that was on the wiki.
02:49 mtompset   or was that packages... anyways... I was able to shrink one of them to something a little more reasonable.
02:46 mtompset   I was able to trim the git install instructions for ubuntu to about 17-20K.
02:46 jcamins    mtompset: for a patch, it's small. For a document, yes, it is much too large.
02:46 mtompset   No, it is too large.
02:46 eythian    yeah
02:46 jcamins    31k is pretty small.
02:45 eythian    oh ah
02:45 jcamins    eythian: it's the document that's too large, not the patch.
02:45 mtompset   That's large for install docs.
02:45 mtompset   31K nightmare.
02:45 eythian    then it's not really a large patch.
02:44 mtompset   7764
02:44 mtompset   it submitted to a bug report just fine.
02:43 mtj        yeah, what he said ^^
02:42 eythian    then you can't submit large patches.
02:42 mtompset   I like to contain my messes... not create dust piles all over the internet.
02:41 eythian    that doesn't really matter much.
02:41 mtompset   It will gather dust horribly.
02:41 mtj        i personally found the registration process really easy
02:41 eythian    it takes about 2 minutes to make an account.
02:40 mtompset   Goodnesss... not another thing to maintain.
02:40 eythian    you could make one.
02:40 mtompset   Sure, but I still don't have a beast. :P
02:39 eythian    gitorious is free.
02:39 * mtompset laughs, "I don't have such a beast."
02:38 mtj        mtompset, you can always push your too-big patch to your github/gitorious repo, for pulling
02:37 wizzyrea   ^
02:37 * dcook    suggests downloading the latest RDA framework he's posted, making sure that your XSLTs show the RDA fields you want to show, and then organize the workshop.
02:36 mtompset   I was talking with my Filipino colleague. He was dreaming of a hosted Koha system with an RDA framework, and having a training session to introduce people to RDA using Koha. It would be a big boost for Koha in the Philippines, given that a common complaint is that their current library software doesn't do RDA.
02:26 tcohen     good job mtompset
02:25 tcohen     i'll check it tomorrow
02:25 tcohen     heh
02:25 mtompset   If he succeeds after following it, I'll call it a success.
02:25 mtompset   I've asked my slightly technically minded librarian colleague to attempt to follow them.
02:24 tcohen     :-D
02:23 mtompset   not a patch.
02:23 mtompset   emailed.
02:21 tcohen     :-D
02:20 mtompset   I was going to send you my 31K nightmare. ;)
02:20 tcohen     i'm going to bed, whats up?
02:20 tcohen     hi mtompset
02:20 mtompset   Greetings, wizzyrea and tcohen. :)
02:20 mtompset   tcohen: Are you going to be concious for a little while?
02:11 tcohen     hi wizzyrea
02:09 * wizzyrea waves
00:42 mtompset   make and make test...
00:41 mtompset   But are the perl Makefile.PL, make, and make steps needed to be properly thorough?
00:40 mtompset   And even a full reindex wouldn't solve that.
00:40 mtompset   I have been short cutting.
00:40 mtompset   good point.
00:39 wizzyrea   otherwise your zebra files will be out of date.
00:39 mtompset   the perl Makefile.pl is needed?
00:39 wizzyrea   make upgrade is also required
00:39 mtompset   so the checkout, fetch and rebase make sense...
00:38 jcamins    mtompset: you need to point it at the previous install log, yes.
00:38 wizzyrea   do whatever the current instructions say to do re: upgrade
00:38 * dcook    intentionally dumped his DB and had to rebuild it
00:38 mtompset   no need to point to the previous install log?
00:38 dcook      I remember
00:38 dcook      Ah
00:38 dcook      I had something happen last time I upgraded my git install
00:38 wizzyrea   because that would be mad.
00:37 wizzyrea   as in no one would ever use koha if it did that.
00:37 jcamins    No, it won't.
00:37 * dcook    tries to recall
00:37 wizzyrea   that would be a terrible bug
00:37 wizzyrea   shouldn't
00:37 dcook      Although I think make upgrade might erase your db?
00:37 wizzyrea   git checkout master && git fetch && git rebase origin/master && make upgrade
00:36 mtompset   I think I've been short cutting all along, and I want to make sure I document it correctly.
00:36 mtompset   Hmm... question... what is the proper way to upgrade a git installation?
00:36 wizzyrea   definitely work there from this weekend
00:35 wizzyrea   https://github.com/Koha-Community/koha-dashboard
00:35 wizzyrea   the dashboard bug yea
00:34 wahanui    rumour has it The bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way
00:34 dcook      The bug?
00:34 wizzyrea   at least it seems new to me
00:34 wizzyrea   I am pretty sure that's a new thing that just showed up this weekend anyway
00:33 wizzyrea   ...I thought
00:33 wizzyrea   the code for that is in a git somewhere
00:27 dcook      They all show this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=<% entry.1 %>
00:27 dcook      The "Last 5 Signoff" links aren't working
00:26 dcook      rangi: Looks like there's an issue with with the Koha Dashboard
00:24 mtompset   Greetings, dcook.
00:24 dcook      hey ya mtompset
00:24 mtompset   Greetings, #koha
00:04 dcook      Thanks, jcamins :)
00:04 dcook      For some reason, this obvious thought escaped me on Friday. That should make this test a bit easier.
00:04 jcamins    Yes.
00:04 dcook      So you should already have your database structure...it'll just be empty
00:03 dcook      For a new feature, I assume that you run the test after running updatedatabase.pl?
00:03 dcook      Hmm, thoughts on tests...