Time Nick Message 23:03 rangi :) 22:59 jcamins One reason why the Koha community is entertaining, and one reason why they should come to the conference. :) 22:51 jcamins Well, if you insist. 22:50 rangi dare you to reply and say that :) 22:50 rangi heh 22:50 jcamins rangi: French cheese. 22:46 rangi https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1309&L=CODE4LIB&F=&S=&P=6523 21:34 cait hi eythian :) 21:34 eythian hi 21:10 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. 21:10 cait welcome back 21:09 rangi back 20:21 rangi ok, taking kids to school bbl 20:19 cait :) 20:19 rangi interestingly, the session is sponsored by RMIT publishing :) 20:19 rangi australia, im in your country, annoying your publishers 20:17 rangi kablam 20:17 rangi http://www.vala.org.au/valatech2014-boot-camp#bootcampb 20:02 cait it beats every elephant in memory :) 19:59 rangi :) 19:57 liw git never forget, git never forgives :) 19:56 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=xt/fix-old-fsf-address;h=6a67d8ba7e05d687ee7cc0442cb87d22fc581373;hb=HEAD 19:55 liw :) 19:55 rangi well to be fair, you wrote a script to do it :) 19:54 cait liw++ 19:54 cait heh 19:54 liw I did? how very pedantic of me 19:54 cait so all ok then :) 19:53 rangi that was one of the first things liw did on koha, fix all the FSF addresses :) 19:53 rangi right too 19:53 rangi got the write street address 19:53 rangi yep al good 19:50 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Coding_Guidelines&curid=175&diff=11210&oldid=11192 19:50 cait I see that mtompset changed our license text in the coding guidelines? 19:49 cait hm 19:49 liw equivs is the right answer for that, yes 18:36 jcamins I meant virtual package, not metapackage, I think. 18:36 jcamins The solution was to use equivs to create a package that required my package and *did* provide the virtual package. 18:36 jcamins My problem was that I was installing Java using a package that didn't provide the metapackage java-runtime5 (or something like that). 18:35 liw good :) 18:35 jcamins liw: I figured it out. 18:35 liw jcamins, I don't understand the question, I'm afraid 18:31 jcamins fredericd++ 18:23 tcohen bye #koha 18:21 tcohen oh, that's good news! 18:21 jcamins It was a test plan for a different bug. 18:21 jcamins I realized why the test plan on the authority deduplicator seemed so completely wrong. 18:20 jcamins tcohen: I'm going to be working on some patches later today, so I'll sign off on yours then. :) 18:17 tcohen jcamins: can I trade bonus points for QAing some other thing?:-P 17:32 * tcohen also, but it happens a few times that he belived to have succeded, and not 17:31 * jcamins believed you. :P 17:31 tcohen heh 17:31 tcohen i browsed the MARC view only to show it wasn't just a .hide() 17:30 jcamins Looks good to me. 17:30 tcohen heh 17:30 tcohen i recorded using a java applet, hence the operation slowliness 17:29 tcohen jcamins: http://screenr.com/dnrH 17:23 jcamins tcohen: yes it is. 17:21 tcohen jcamins: idiomatic? "Are you sure you want to delete this cover image?" 17:10 jcamins liw: if you're around, do you happen to know how to mark that a particular package should be considered to have been installed? 17:07 tcohen its just the biblionumber :-D 17:03 jcamins Just make sure you sanitize them. 17:03 jcamins tcohen: if it's in a template, yes. 17:00 tcohen jcamins: can I use TT variables inside JS code? 16:48 jcamins Hm. There must be some way to say "replace dependencies on package X with dependencies on package Y" with Debian. 16:47 cait and did you count in correction time? 16:47 cait ok, and how many have ou written? 16:47 drojf i think i will do my 4 pages a day, starting today. which would meet my plans. if i keep it that way for two weeks 16:46 cait and see where i ended up 16:46 cait i can get free inernet at my favourite bookstore cafe now.... 16:46 cait yeah i know what you mean 16:46 cait aah, ore quiet? ;) 16:46 drojf but it looks like having a tablet and no internet works quite good. having a computer here, not so much 16:45 drojf [off] for bookedge scanner and beer ;) 16:44 drojf no, switched to the office 16:44 cait back from the library? 16:44 cait hi drojf 16:43 drojf hi cait 16:42 tcohen hi cait 16:41 * cait waves 16:39 gaetan_B bye ! 16:37 tcohen heh, of course 16:36 jcamins Being unable to install Ubuntu is a bit more disastrous if your goal is to install Ubuntu. 16:35 jcamins Downloading a gazillion updates is annoying, but not a disaster. 16:35 jcamins Based on my experience, I'd recommend sticking with 12.04.2. 16:35 tcohen i haven't installed the very latest release (.3) but .2 without any issues 16:35 jcamins Fortunately, Ubuntu 12.04 + lots of updates or Debian 7.1 + fewer updates works. 16:34 jcamins tcohen: it was very sad indeed. 16:34 tcohen sounds sad jcamins 16:32 jcamins Partitioning is not exactly an unimportant task when you have a brand new system. 16:31 jcamins Among other things, partitioning didn't work. 16:30 jcamins Apparently either the latest Precise server image is broken or it doesn't work with my version of VirtualBox, but installing Precise using an image downloaded yesterday was a horrible, unsuccessful experience. 16:29 drojf half the internet looks like twitter now ^^ 16:28 drojf when i was young there were websites that respected my bad, but working eyes by not having very little but huge text distributed over a ridiculous amount of scroll-down space 16:28 jcamins tcohen: yes, provided you use a slightly older Ubuntu image. 16:28 tcohen hey, vagrant and ubuntu coexist flawlessly 16:27 jcamins Vagrant is an automated VM provisioner: http://www.vagrantup.com/ 16:26 drojf who's vagrant? linux distribution? 16:25 jcamins ubuntu-- # for being way less cool 16:24 jcamins vagrant++ # for being really cool 16:24 wahanui thanks drojf :) 16:24 drojf wahanui botsnack cookie 16:23 wahanui somebody said log was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 16:23 drojf log? 16:23 drojf oh no, it's that weird time between kf and cait 16:22 drojf good evening #koha 15:45 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:45 tcohen @later tell oleonard are you gonna (eventually) substitute alerts for bootstrap modals? 15:03 reiveune bye 14:46 jcamins tcohen++ 14:46 jcamins tcohen: looks good to me! 14:45 tcohen jcamins: http://snag.gy/hwlPK.jpg 14:28 kf or we store them in a custom attribute for reference 14:28 kf we normally don't migrate internal numbers here 14:27 vfernandes because borrowers are identified by cardnumber or by that number 14:27 jcamins Or, I suppose, dump the table as SQL. 14:27 jcamins You can preserve it by writing a custom script that does direct SQL inserts. 14:26 jcamins Why is the number important? 14:26 vfernandes i'm trying to migrate some borrowers from one system to other but the number is important 14:23 kf and there is also the question of what you are trying to achieve :) 14:23 kf it might be different for sql 14:23 kf i would do a test, but i think it might be not possible using the import tool 14:21 vfernandes so there isn't a way to maintain the borrowernumber? 14:20 kf in my experience 14:19 kf vfernandes: the borrowernumber can not be set using the import tool 14:17 vfernandes using borrower importing tool (by CSV) 14:17 vfernandes one question: is possible to migrate borrowers from other system and maintain borrowernumber? 14:16 vfernandes hi :) 13:00 tcohen we need RESTfull access to stuff on the staff interface 12:58 kf :) 12:55 tcohen oops 12:55 tcohen gti status 12:37 tcohen hi kf 12:33 kf morning tcohen :) 12:31 tcohen dcook++ 12:29 tcohen morning #koha 08:43 kf drojf: grump. 08:42 drojf i wonder if there is already weihnachtsmarkt in the city :D 08:41 drojf i want glühwein 08:41 drojf lol 08:41 wahanui did you try flushing the cache and deleting wahanui's cookies 08:41 kf it's weird. 08:41 kf yeah, i saw lebkuchen during the weekend 08:40 drojf they have christmas stuff in stores now 08:35 drojf brr 08:34 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.1°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 08:34 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:33 drojf winter! 08:33 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 15.6°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 08:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:22 dcook Hope you all have a good day :) 08:22 dcook Time to head home, me thinks 08:01 dcook thanks :) 08:01 dcook d'aww 08:01 kf :) 08:01 kf you do and more 08:01 dcook Hope I deserve it :p 08:00 kf dcook++ 07:55 dcook waylonR: An OAI-PMH harvesting client for Koha 07:55 kf hi paul_p 07:55 paul_p good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever for your TZ #koha ! 07:44 waylonR dcook, what you working on? 07:39 dcook It's about 1500 lines, so I think it's the biggest thing I've contributed to Koha yet 07:39 * dcook isn't self-conscious at all... 07:39 dcook It's still too early for regular users to try out, I think 07:39 dcook Hmm, yeah, maybe I'll ask the koha-devel folks 07:36 wahanui rumour has it mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 07:36 kf or mailing list 07:36 kf best to ask around and poit people to it directly 07:36 kf hm the status alone won't help 07:33 dcook I'd like feedback and more opinions 07:32 dcook Mmm, in discussion might make sense then... 07:31 drojf thanks for telling me ;) 07:31 kf and it's not working totally well 07:31 kf drojf: in discussion is asking for feedback or more opinions I would say 07:31 dcook Ah, k. I'll change that. 07:31 drojf hi kf 07:31 kf but not needs sign off yet 07:31 * dcook sees a magnuse as well 07:31 dcook morning kf :) 07:31 kf dcook: assigned 07:31 kf good morning #koha, drojf and dcook 07:28 dcook morning, btw ;) 07:28 dcook Still a little ways to go I think 07:28 dcook Thanks 07:27 drojf dcook++ 07:27 drojf good morning #koha 07:23 dcook "In discussion"? 07:23 dcook Hmm, what bug status would a person use for a work in progress? 07:00 matts hi ! 06:56 gaetan_B hello 06:41 reiveune hello everybody :) 06:41 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:32 cait rangi++ 05:28 cait hi eythian 05:19 waylonR ahh... turns out, i did make a seperate zebrasrv instance.. 05:18 eythian hi cait 05:13 dcook This might sound weird...but I think I actually like documenting...sometimes 05:01 * dcook is going to be so pleased when it's over 05:01 dcook Ahhh, I feel like I'm almost done this test 05:00 dcook ciao wizzyrea 05:00 wizzyrea anyway got to run 04:58 wizzyrea it is. 04:58 jcamins Yeah... that Just Worked with Debian. 04:58 dcook Sounds strange, wizzyrea :( 04:56 jcamins Cool. 04:56 eythian jcamins: not generally 04:56 wizzyrea it's annoying though. 04:56 jcamins Do I need a separate /boot partition? 04:56 wizzyrea it's possibly not signficant 04:56 wizzyrea weird. well I have a situation where the see also links return all of the authorities with the c on there, But without the c it returns what you might expect. 04:54 eythian new packages uploading now. 04:53 wizzyrea hehe 04:53 eythian I miss my holiday. 04:52 wizzyrea i missed you. 04:52 wizzyrea heh 04:52 eythian boring letters, over used. 04:52 eythian a and b were probably deprecated. 04:52 jcamins For some reason we don't use a or b in the OPAC. 04:52 wizzyrea or "and_orc" 04:51 jcamins 'Cause it's always been operatorc. 04:51 * wizzyrea doesn't understandwhy "operatorc" 04:51 jcamins Looks good to me. 04:51 wizzyrea this is from the see also links in the opac 04:51 wizzyrea cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=opac&operatorc=contains&marclistc=mainentry&and_orc=and&orderby=HeadingAsc&valuec=e-Learning < does this seem odd to anyone else? 04:40 * wizzyrea is glad it was ultimately easy 04:39 wizzyrea I had an errant updatedatabase! 04:39 wizzyrea ohhhkayyyy so sorted the rules thing :) 04:37 eythian heh 04:35 jcamins That worked. :D 04:35 jcamins I deleted the hard drive image. 04:35 jcamins Yep. 04:35 eythian did it do the same thing? 04:35 jcamins Nope. 04:35 eythian did you manage to delete the inner partition? 04:35 eythian what cfdisk looks like, should you be in a position to use it. 04:35 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Name Flags Part Type FS Type [" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/193 04:35 jcamins I have never before had a problem with partitioning a computer for Linux, and I have installed Linux dozens and dozens of times. Including other versions of Ubuntu where the installer responded to input. 04:34 jcamins Since in forty-five minutes I have been unsuccessful in partitioning the stupid hard drive, I'm just downloading Wheezy. 04:34 eythian pity 04:34 jcamins It doesn't seem to. 04:33 eythian the rescue CD might have it, or it might not 04:33 jcamins It doesn't seem to be. 04:33 eythian I don't know 04:33 jcamins But it isn't available if you don't have an actual bootable system, is it? 04:33 eythian because it makes that kind of thing easier to see 04:33 eythian also, use cfdisk 04:32 eythian err where uitgebreid is extended, and wisselgeheugen is an overly long word for swap 04:31 eythian e.g that 04:31 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apparaat Opstart Begin Einde B" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/192 04:31 jcamins I'll download Wheezy and try again. 04:31 jcamins This is silly. 04:31 jcamins You know what? 04:31 jcamins So... there's no swap at all? 04:31 eythian swap is type 82 04:30 eythian start with sda5 04:30 jcamins Or, I would be. 04:30 jcamins I'm happy to delete all the partitions and start over. 04:30 eythian of course you can't change that, you have another partition inside it 04:29 eythian that's an extended partition 04:29 eythian that's not swap 04:29 eythian -h 04:29 eythian waith 04:29 eythian also 04:29 eythian at least, I don't think it should 04:29 eythian that's not the sort of thing that happens in a well behaved environment. 04:29 jcamins That is what the installer did. 04:28 jcamins This is a brand new system. 04:28 jcamins eythian: good question. 04:28 eythian jcamins: why is your swap space sitting over your lvm? 04:28 jcamins Ah, forget it. 04:28 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. Today is a holiday (it's after midnight) here. :) 04:27 eythian that's surprising. 04:27 jcamins It shows the partition being gone, then when I try to create a new one, it's back. 04:27 eythian so, the whole machine locks up and processes no instructions beyond that point? 04:27 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 04:27 jcamins Nothing. 04:26 jcamins I have spent the last forty-five minutes being unable to change the size of my swap partition. 04:26 eythian what happens when you try? 04:26 eythian probably. 04:26 eythian it just means you shouldn't be working on sda, you should be working on the devicemapper thing. 04:26 jcamins eythian: yeah, but shouldn't I be able to delete it? 04:26 eythian which is fine and normal 04:26 eythian jcamins: oh, you probably have lvm taking up your whole free space then. 04:25 dcook wizzyrea: Nope. 04:25 wizzyrea ok, has anyone ever experienced not being able to add circ rules? 04:25 jcamins I'm thinking the problem is that the installer put in lvm. 04:24 pastebot Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "/dev/sda1 2048 499711 248832 8" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/191 04:22 eythian what is your partition layout like? 04:22 jcamins I have never had a problem doing this before. 04:22 jcamins fdisk 04:22 jcamins I have no idea. 04:22 eythian you're using cfdisk or something? 04:22 eythian why won't it let you? 04:22 jcamins wtf? 04:22 jcamins And in the emergency shell it won't let me great a 1.5GB partition. 04:21 wizzyrea jeez* 04:21 wizzyrea LOL SORRY jez. 04:21 eythian wizzyrea: you missed the ™ that I put there 04:20 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #274 added. 04:20 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea 04:20 wizzyrea with TM. 04:19 eythian you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea™ 04:19 eythian oh wait 04:19 eythian I dunno, you started with the premise that you did. 04:19 waylonR Why do i need it seperate anyway? 04:18 eythian hrm 04:17 waylonR need it on these servers, to prove the speed difference though. What about putting the dev inside a vm on these servers? 04:17 jcamins This is absurd. 04:17 jcamins I'll try the emergency boot disk. 04:16 eythian (cos I'll have to be making a new vm for it) 04:16 eythian I want do to some yubikey experimenting on a vm tonight so maybe I'll try that then. 04:16 eythian I haven't tried to do that in a long while actually 04:16 jcamins I know! 04:16 waylonR hmmm. 04:16 eythian how odd 04:15 jcamins eythian: it refuses to let me change partition sizes. 04:15 eythian jcamins: waddaya mean? 04:15 eythian waylonR: then I would copy everything to another server and not mess around on a production server. 04:14 waylonR nope, this server(s) is hot active. koha development on a different apache virtualhost. and I want to index the dev server, with koha 3.1x setup, without affecting the old koha index. 04:14 jcamins Ubuntu server no longer allows you to change partitions in the installer? 04:14 jcamins wtf? 04:11 eythian waylonR: this is a test server and you're just messing around? 04:11 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 04:11 dcook first question? 04:10 waylonR which way would be the easiest, to divide the zebra, seperate instance? or just a new index? 04:04 dcook wizzyrea++ 04:03 wizzyrea that's rewarding. :) 04:03 * wizzyrea just helped a peruvian student install Koha 03:57 jcamins In fact, it *specifically* isn't Zebra. 03:53 eythian there are a number of things that are, but it generally isn't zebra 03:53 eythian zebra is not a slow point in koha 03:51 waylonR email from boss. basically, they'll custom build from almost scratch.. with Solr behind it... so... search speed wise, its possibly going to be better than koha. 03:49 waylonR ah crap, that all went onto the log.. oh well. 03:49 waylonR terface with Solr engine plus some other systems for authentication, statistics, customer tracking, journal tracking etc. which will be add later. Those systems in general are in php ( easier when trying to find a programmers). we will explore this direction and see if it better than koha, otherwise we will stick with koha." 03:49 waylonR [off[ "whole new platform, based on open source system parallel with Koha. we would like to explore all the available options and decide which fits our need best. we have a friend who own a software company which has done several projects for different libraries. they are working now on several open source systems which will be integrated to form one platform. they have tried different repository systems and decide to go with Islandora, and Vufind search in 03:45 eythian something specific in PHP, or he just wants more PHP for some oddball reason? 03:44 waylonR eep... my boss is considering moving away from koha, to something php based.... could be out of a job sometime. 03:44 waylonR ah 03:44 jcamins Not so much come to a halt as never moved forward. 03:43 waylonR come to a halt? 03:43 jcamins Progressing. 03:43 wahanui solr is, like, tied into the search rewrite 03:43 waylonR solr? 03:43 waylonR ? 03:43 jcamins It is not. 03:43 waylonR though, hows the solr progress going? 03:41 eythian You could probably do it the way you suggest, but I've never tried it. 03:41 waylonR or would i use a totally seperate zebra on a different port/instance? 03:40 waylonR okay, can zebra hold indexes for more than just biblios and authorities for one server? the dev enviroment needs its own biblios database, i can just copy and paste the biblio server in the config, make biblios into bibliosdev, and copy every biblios config file? 03:37 dcook Of course, re-writing the mod is probably a better way of going, but... 03:37 dcook waylonR: There's an internal script that embeds the item-level data as a 952. I've had to use that for some of our local mods. You might find it useful as well. 03:36 dcook (afaik) 03:36 dcook Generally speaking they're either tags or fields, although subfields are always subfields (never subtags) 03:36 mtompset just making sure I didn't have a terminology problem. :P 03:36 dcook mtompset: That's the same thing :p 03:35 eythian it's a lot faster, and avoids some other MARC related issues 03:35 mtompset my mistake... 339 tags. 03:35 waylonR we abuse koha here.. branches = libraries. item in a branch = item appears in that libraries catalogue/search 03:35 dcook mtompset: Not that I can think of. 03:35 mtompset turns out the import export script kept running in the background, and it just finished. 03:34 waylonR that might be okay.. 03:34 eythian it just takes the row in items and spits out a 952 from it 03:34 eythian yeah 03:34 waylonR ..... Okay, so item branch info etc gets exported to 952 and then to zebra? 03:34 eythian but it's created from the items table when needed. 03:33 mtompset dcook: Is there supposed to be 339 fields in the rda framework? 03:33 eythian there is no 952 internally now 03:33 eythian I don't know what that would mean 03:33 waylonR oh wait.. 03:33 waylonR generated? so, one can't store information in 952 manually? 03:32 dcook waylonR: You have my sympathy 03:32 eythian so it's just an internal thing for the most part. 03:32 eythian or, exporting, really 03:32 eythian waylonR: the 952 is generated when sending to zebra 03:31 waylonR ... I know, it sucks.. 03:31 waylonR from koha 3.0.0pre2 03:31 waylonR currently, yes. im porting our mods to current. 03:31 mtompset are you using a version prior to 3.4.x? 03:30 waylonR items no longer stored in biblioitems.. does that make zebra searches for item information, impossibe? or does koha export item info to zebra still? 03:25 jcamins And you will need to follow the instructions for upgrading that are in INSTALL.* 03:25 jcamins waylonR: http://git-scm.com/documentation 03:24 waylonR does that also rebase the etc files, or do i need to do something to rebase them? And how do i get all the commits ive done? 03:23 mtompset And welcome back, waylonR. 03:23 mtompset git rebase? ;) 03:22 waylonR hiya all! okay, i am back on the ball. unfortunately, my last pull seems to be dec 2012... okay.... so, whats your advice for a dev returning to his work after a long absense? 03:22 manny thanks guys 03:22 mtompset I use VirtualBox for my daily work. 03:21 dcook Well, a patch, then the unit tests 03:21 dcook I'll keep that in mind for the future. Back to the unit tests for now :) 03:18 mtompset windows host - ubuntu guest. :) 03:17 mtompset at least with Ubuntu. :) 03:17 mtompset I can help with that. 03:13 dcook Another day.. 03:13 dcook I really do need to figure out the Virtualbox networking... 03:12 jcamins Yep. 03:12 dcook http://www.vagrantup.com/ ? 03:11 jcamins You know, Vagrant is really cool. 03:10 dcook Cool. That's what I was thinking as well. 03:10 jcamins The second and third. 03:10 dcook Do I include it in the updatedatabase.pl, do I just include it in the test, do I do a separate bug to add it to the defaults? 03:10 jcamins dcook: that sounds fine. 03:09 jcamins I wonder if I can run apt-cache on a Mac. 03:09 dcook My OAI harvester needs the 999$c for fully functionality... 03:09 jcamins I wish it were more clear what one should enter, but they work well. 03:09 wizzyrea LOL that's exactly my question too ^.^ 03:09 dcook Well, I have a record matching rule that uses the 999$c 03:09 jcamins What about 'em? 03:09 dcook On an unrelated note, what are people's thoughts on record matching rules? 03:08 wizzyrea no, there is no tool for that. 03:08 mtompset and the QA system has pathetic memory. 03:08 mtompset probably because of the way our systems go through a proxy? 03:07 wizzyrea why would you get a timeout error? 03:07 mtompset can't do it, if you get a timeout error. 03:07 wizzyrea no, you just do it through the interface 03:07 wizzyrea but that's kind of beside the point 03:07 mtompset -- so back to my framework import problem... ;) -- is there a command-line tool for this? 03:07 wizzyrea we have a package that can be installed to do that behaviour 03:06 manny that's a good thing since they can do the practice all over again 03:06 jcamins eythian: small class, I guess. 03:06 mtompset Yes, that is a bonus. :) 03:06 eythian they liked that it reset every day 03:06 wizzyrea and Koha can definitely let you have practice with RDA 03:06 eythian we discovered someone was using our demo for a class 03:06 manny since proprietary softwares like follet is using rda to promote their software 03:05 wizzyrea it's a fine idea 03:05 manny i agree, but it will be an orientation for them to Koha 03:05 wizzyrea and they're not really meant for that purpose anyway 03:05 dcook Nor would a "koha-community" demo 03:05 wizzyrea nah 03:05 jcamins I don't think the ByWater demo will support an entire class. 03:04 mtompset a demo site that has RDA framework available. 03:04 manny sharing my idea 03:04 wizzyrea soooo what are you wanting? 03:04 mtompset is there a command-line tool? 03:04 manny my goal is for them to learn rda using Koha 03:04 mtompset and currently there is no such site. 03:03 manny online training type 03:03 dcook Or are you planning an online training type thing? 03:03 dcook Where are you planning to do this training? 03:02 manny a seperated site that will host the training practice instruction linking to bywater demo page for the actual visual training 03:02 manny bywater demo site will be a good practice page 03:01 wizzyrea you have no computers on which to install koha? 03:01 mtompset (we can't afford to host such a thing) 03:01 dcook Yeah, mtompset, I think that's the thing 03:00 manny i'm thingking bywater demo site 03:00 manny yes, you can read a lot regarding rda, but having a visual practice site will be very helpful 03:00 jcamins manny: sure. I see nothing to prevent that. 02:59 mtompset I think the problem is: hosting a site for training purposes, and two actually having the training materials written. ;) 02:59 manny but what i'm saying is that Koha is a free ILS software that can be used in training/ orienting librarians regarding rda 02:59 jcamins Okay, good. No problem. 02:59 manny jcamins, yes we will use the framework 02:57 wizzyrea ^^ 02:57 wahanui it has been said that RDA Framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Export_RDA.sql 02:57 wizzyrea RDA Framework? 02:57 wizzyrea you have to have the framework for Koha to support RDA. 02:57 jcamins Yeah, you can't not import the framework and expect Koha to magicallyuse it. 02:57 wizzyrea well then Koha doesn't support RDA. 02:57 * mtompset grins. 02:56 wizzyrea oh sorry. Don't profit. 02:56 manny nope, i'm not into the import of rda framework 02:56 jcamins [off] wizzyrea: this is *libraries*. 02:56 wizzyrea 4. profit. 02:56 jcamins manny: there is nothing to prevent that. Import the framework. You're done. 02:56 wizzyrea 3. install the linked framework into that 02:56 manny wizzyrea rda? 02:56 wizzyrea 2. Create a new framework 02:56 wizzyrea 1. Install Koha 02:56 wizzyrea ...so which part are you stuck on 02:56 manny it will be a promotional thing for Koha 02:55 manny so if possible to create a training site that will let them see and feel the changes in rda using koha 02:55 mtompset We already have an RDA framework. 02:55 mtompset manny, you putting it up in QA? 02:55 manny yes, but discussing rda without a visual practice on the changes or upgrades is hard 02:54 wizzyrea Koha can deal with RDA. 02:53 manny but the biggest hindrance is a ILS that can cater rda 02:53 wizzyrea through the interface 02:53 wizzyrea Create a new empty framework, and import that onto it 02:53 wizzyrea you import it into Koha 02:53 mtompset so, I just source it? 02:53 manny here in the philippines, librarians are training/ orienting about rda 02:52 dcook That be the framework 02:52 wizzyrea RDA framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Export_RDA.sql 02:52 jcamins framework library? 02:52 manny i am discussing to mark on how we can promote more koha using rda 02:52 jcamins framework download? 02:51 wizzyrea RDA framework? 02:51 wizzyrea shush wahanui 02:51 wahanui somebody said on the wiki was more information about the packages 02:51 wizzyrea on the wiki 02:51 wahanui the framework is probably gone. 02:51 mtompset where is the framework? 02:51 manny thanks mark 02:51 dcook Not really much to talk about 02:51 mtompset I figured you two should talk. ;) 02:51 manny good morning 02:51 manny hi dcook 02:51 dcook hey ya manny 02:50 mtompset manny, this is dcook. dcook this manny. dcook put out a new RDA framework. manny is my librarian colleague friend from the Philippines. :) 02:50 dcook What's up? 02:50 manny good morning mtompset 02:50 dcook mtompset: Always 02:50 eythian later tcohen 02:50 mtompset Good night, tcohen. 02:49 tcohen night #koha 02:49 mtompset dcook: You still around? 02:49 mtompset but that was on the wiki. 02:49 mtompset or was that packages... anyways... I was able to shrink one of them to something a little more reasonable. 02:46 mtompset I was able to trim the git install instructions for ubuntu to about 17-20K. 02:46 jcamins mtompset: for a patch, it's small. For a document, yes, it is much too large. 02:46 mtompset No, it is too large. 02:46 eythian yeah 02:46 jcamins 31k is pretty small. 02:45 eythian oh ah 02:45 jcamins eythian: it's the document that's too large, not the patch. 02:45 mtompset That's large for install docs. 02:45 mtompset 31K nightmare. 02:45 eythian then it's not really a large patch. 02:44 mtompset 7764 02:44 mtompset it submitted to a bug report just fine. 02:43 mtj yeah, what he said ^^ 02:42 eythian then you can't submit large patches. 02:42 mtompset I like to contain my messes... not create dust piles all over the internet. 02:41 eythian that doesn't really matter much. 02:41 mtompset It will gather dust horribly. 02:41 mtj i personally found the registration process really easy 02:41 eythian it takes about 2 minutes to make an account. 02:40 mtompset Goodnesss... not another thing to maintain. 02:40 eythian you could make one. 02:40 mtompset Sure, but I still don't have a beast. :P 02:39 eythian gitorious is free. 02:39 * mtompset laughs, "I don't have such a beast." 02:38 mtj mtompset, you can always push your too-big patch to your github/gitorious repo, for pulling 02:37 wizzyrea ^ 02:37 * dcook suggests downloading the latest RDA framework he's posted, making sure that your XSLTs show the RDA fields you want to show, and then organize the workshop. 02:36 mtompset I was talking with my Filipino colleague. He was dreaming of a hosted Koha system with an RDA framework, and having a training session to introduce people to RDA using Koha. It would be a big boost for Koha in the Philippines, given that a common complaint is that their current library software doesn't do RDA. 02:26 tcohen good job mtompset 02:25 tcohen i'll check it tomorrow 02:25 tcohen heh 02:25 mtompset If he succeeds after following it, I'll call it a success. 02:25 mtompset I've asked my slightly technically minded librarian colleague to attempt to follow them. 02:24 tcohen :-D 02:23 mtompset not a patch. 02:23 mtompset emailed. 02:21 tcohen :-D 02:20 mtompset I was going to send you my 31K nightmare. ;) 02:20 tcohen i'm going to bed, whats up? 02:20 tcohen hi mtompset 02:20 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea and tcohen. :) 02:20 mtompset tcohen: Are you going to be concious for a little while? 02:11 tcohen hi wizzyrea 02:09 * wizzyrea waves 00:42 mtompset make and make test... 00:41 mtompset But are the perl Makefile.PL, make, and make steps needed to be properly thorough? 00:40 mtompset And even a full reindex wouldn't solve that. 00:40 mtompset I have been short cutting. 00:40 mtompset good point. 00:39 wizzyrea otherwise your zebra files will be out of date. 00:39 mtompset the perl Makefile.pl is needed? 00:39 wizzyrea make upgrade is also required 00:39 mtompset so the checkout, fetch and rebase make sense... 00:38 jcamins mtompset: you need to point it at the previous install log, yes. 00:38 wizzyrea do whatever the current instructions say to do re: upgrade 00:38 * dcook intentionally dumped his DB and had to rebuild it 00:38 mtompset no need to point to the previous install log? 00:38 dcook I remember 00:38 dcook Ah 00:38 dcook I had something happen last time I upgraded my git install 00:38 wizzyrea because that would be mad. 00:37 wizzyrea as in no one would ever use koha if it did that. 00:37 jcamins No, it won't. 00:37 * dcook tries to recall 00:37 wizzyrea that would be a terrible bug 00:37 wizzyrea shouldn't 00:37 dcook Although I think make upgrade might erase your db? 00:37 wizzyrea git checkout master && git fetch && git rebase origin/master && make upgrade 00:36 mtompset I think I've been short cutting all along, and I want to make sure I document it correctly. 00:36 mtompset Hmm... question... what is the proper way to upgrade a git installation? 00:36 wizzyrea definitely work there from this weekend 00:35 wizzyrea https://github.com/Koha-Community/koha-dashboard 00:35 wizzyrea the dashboard bug yea 00:34 wahanui rumour has it The bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way 00:34 dcook The bug? 00:34 wizzyrea at least it seems new to me 00:34 wizzyrea I am pretty sure that's a new thing that just showed up this weekend anyway 00:33 wizzyrea ...I thought 00:33 wizzyrea the code for that is in a git somewhere 00:27 dcook They all show this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=<% entry.1 %> 00:27 dcook The "Last 5 Signoff" links aren't working 00:26 dcook rangi: Looks like there's an issue with with the Koha Dashboard 00:24 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 00:24 dcook hey ya mtompset 00:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha 00:04 dcook Thanks, jcamins :) 00:04 dcook For some reason, this obvious thought escaped me on Friday. That should make this test a bit easier. 00:04 jcamins Yes. 00:04 dcook So you should already have your database structure...it'll just be empty 00:03 dcook For a new feature, I assume that you run the test after running updatedatabase.pl? 00:03 dcook Hmm, thoughts on tests...