Time Nick Message 22:44 mtompset Confusingly, there is VKV and VKM. 22:42 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded. 22:42 mtompset @later tell drojf Actually, that was the wrong one, as far as I know. 19:44 tcohen i've pushed to my github just iun case anyone wants to check it 19:43 cait bye tcohen :) 19:42 tcohen leaving now, bye #koha, nice weekend! 19:42 tcohen oh, its too late! 19:41 jcamins And that was perfectly understandable, I just thought you were having trouble figuring out why the sentence sounded a little odd. ;) 19:41 tcohen glyphicon-remove overlay for removing? 19:40 tcohen oh 19:40 jcamins The only thing that didn't was your placement of "a." :P 19:40 jcamins No, that sounds fine. 19:39 tcohen it doesn't sound good? 19:39 jcamins Then yes. 19:39 jcamins Oh. 19:38 tcohen was talking about "taking control" 19:38 tcohen :-P 19:38 jcamins It would be better to say "a svc script returning JSON + AJAX" 19:38 cait not to me :) 19:38 tcohen does it sound bad in english? 19:38 jcamins As I said on the bug, I'm not working on that. 19:37 jcamins Please do. 19:37 tcohen i plan to do svc script returning a JSON + ajax 19:37 cait i like that 19:37 cait take control :P 19:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7813 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, NEW , Add ability to delete local cover images 19:37 tcohen jcamins, can I take control of bug 7813? didn't notice it was assigned to you 19:35 jcamins tcohen: no, I meant for DelImage. 19:35 cait tcohen: if you happen to mock a cgi object i would be interested in stealing that :) 19:34 tcohen unit tests for a svc script? 19:34 jcamins Bonus points if you add a unit test. :) 19:34 jcamins Seems fine to me. 19:33 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "jcamins:" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/190 19:24 huginn` Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 19:24 Dyrcona @later tell gmcharlt I see MARC::Charset 1.35 is on CPAN already. I didn't see it there two weeks ago when you messaged me about it. 18:54 tcohen sweet :-D 18:54 wahanui svc api is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API 18:54 tcohen svc api? 18:54 wahanui api is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later 18:54 tcohen api? 18:54 oleonard See ya #koha 18:54 oleonard Anyway... Something to tinker with after my Labor-free weekend 18:51 oleonard I just hate working with a different implementation of a menu-style thingy when there are "built-in" options 18:50 jcamins A modal makes sense to me. 18:50 jcamins That is correct. 18:50 oleonard jcamins: It's always the same items, right? Just with different checkboxes checked? 18:49 oleonard jcamins: I wonder if it wouldn't make just as much sense to have that pop-up menu be a modal window? 18:48 drojf [off] jcamins: lactose and i is a complicated thing. in general i use very little dairy products. but it turned out they work better for me after i stopped eating wheat/gluten. i think it's only in higher doses, like a sour cream based sauce for example. but sometimes there is no reaction at all. i don't think i have a problem with butter 18:45 jcamins It wouldn't be easy, and it's just not enough of a priority for me to consider working on it. 18:44 jcamins Both. 18:44 oleonard Too hard to implement them in XSLT, or just not a priority? 18:44 jcamins But since XSLT is otherwise so far superior, I do without. 18:44 jcamins I really like those author/subject pop-up menus. 18:43 * oleonard wonders if some libraries pick the normal over the XSLT detail view in the OPAC so that they get the little author/subject pop-up menus 18:41 jcamins So I'm trying to figure out why you would use butter in cookies. 18:41 jcamins You also said that you wanted to try the lactose-free sour cream, which implies that you should be avoiding lactose. 18:40 jcamins You said you were not baking cookies because you don't have butter. 18:40 drojf i don't understand the question :) 18:39 jcamins Wait... you don't have butter but you need lactose-free sour cream? 18:38 drojf heh 18:34 jcamins It'll all melt. 18:34 jcamins Nah, that won't work so well. 18:33 drojf vanilla icecream ;) 18:33 drojf there might be lactose free sour cream i wanted to try. or i already did 18:32 jcamins Bacon fat? 18:31 jcamins Sourcream? 18:31 jcamins drojf: avocado? 18:31 jcamins tcohen: that makes sense to me. 18:30 drojf hm. no butter 18:30 tcohen jcamins: should persmission to delete cover images be tied to CAN_user_tools_upload_local_cover_images permission? 18:29 drojf maybe i should make cookies too. it looks like it's going to be christmas soon 18:28 jcamins What kind of cookies should I make for tomorrow? 18:25 jcamins Otherwise I won't even have that tenuous connection to best practices. 18:25 jcamins I'm winging it no matter what. 18:25 jcamins Actually, that's not entirely true. 18:25 jcamins Otherwise I shall wing it. 18:25 jcamins I'm going to try and buy xanthan or guar gum today. 18:24 jcamins They were a bit short on emulsifier. 18:24 jcamins Yes. 18:24 jcamins Hehe. 18:24 drojf the falafel cookies? ;) 18:24 jcamins I made gluten free cookies yesterday that came out okay. 18:23 drojf that sounds like the best kind of cookies :D 18:23 drojf i don't know. broke my headphones again and the world is full of idiots and psychopaths 18:22 * cait hands drojf gluten free beer cookies 18:22 cait what happened? 18:22 cait ew 18:20 drojf i have a lot of bad mood to spare today if anyone needs some 18:17 drojf i hope that is the right one 18:17 drojf vimal-- 18:17 huginn` drojf: Karma for "vimal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 18:17 drojf @karma vimal 18:16 drojf if i talk bad about someone i get kicked out ;) 18:16 oleonard drojf_getting_kicked_out_for_bad_karma-- 18:16 oleonard drojf: If someone gives bad karma you get kicked out? 18:15 drojf that bad karma kicks me out of irc thing again ^^ 18:15 drojf hm 18:14 druthb drojf! 18:13 oleonard [off] "He had implemented Koha in 2000 itself." <-- The year 2000? 18:09 drojf [off] he also speaks for academic libraries 18:09 drojf [off] makes sense 18:09 jcamins [off] And LiveDVD Manager is a much more august position than RM, obviously, since RMs can't speak for the community. 18:09 drojf [off] i see 18:09 jcamins [off] He was elected once, so he now gets to speak for the community. 18:08 drojf [off] "I once again express my thanks to Mr. A.J. Tomson on behalf of Koha community." <- ??? 18:06 drojf evening #koha 18:05 jcamins That would explain it. 18:03 oleonard Oh, duh, the request was being blocked. 18:02 jcamins [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=85532 18:02 jcamins Only about 1% of their data is actually available via API, apparently. 18:02 jcamins Works for me. 18:01 oleonard Not working for me anyway jcamins 18:01 jcamins That's unfortunate. 18:01 wahanui really is off now 18:01 jcamins oleonard: really? 17:59 oleonard Doesn't look like the idreambooks.com stuff is working anymore. 17:35 tcohen thx 17:35 tcohen ok 17:35 liw tcohen, that looks good to me 17:29 tcohen it just prints the status of the relevant processes that *should* be running 17:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch 17:28 tcohen bug 10624 17:28 tcohen i wrote a patch for 10624 17:28 tcohen i wanted to ask u for some advice on implementing the 'status' switch fr the koha-common init script 17:27 tcohen liw 17:16 liw tcohen, you rang? 16:48 jcamins Presumably, since he added to rangi's. 16:48 * oleonard wonders if dcook's better approaches that ideal 16:47 jcamins In the Koha sense, there is a framework which is objectively correct, i.e. it has all the valid tags. 16:47 * mtompset laughs, "You have a point, oleonard." 16:47 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but not in terms of frameworks. 16:47 oleonard mtompset: No it's the fourth one that is correct. 16:46 oleonard jcamins: It sounds like with RDA a lot of objectivity has been taken out of the picture 16:46 mtompset could they both be objectively wrong and a third one is actually the correct one? 16:46 jcamins Then at least one of them has a framework that is objectively wrong. 16:46 oleonard Then they view and edit records differently 16:45 mtompset (actually, the question is broader than just RDA too) 16:45 mtompset What if one cataloger's framework for RDA doesn't match another's framework? 16:35 oleonard ...but if they want to be able to work with records others have cataloged with RDA then we have to have an updated framework to deal with it :( 16:34 oleonard The more my catalogers learn about RDA the more they (and I) hate it. 16:33 oleonard Okay, yeah he did. 16:33 oleonard Oh, did he replace the one that rangi added? 16:32 oleonard-away dcook said he added another RDA framework to the wiki but I don't see it 16:15 tcohen liw, r u around? 16:01 cait and a possible solution that needs a bit more work 16:01 cait vfernandes: yes multiple bugs 15:54 vfernandes only for labels PDF 15:53 tcohen is there a bug filled for that? 15:53 vfernandes patroncards in koha 3.12 aren't working correctly 15:53 vfernandes Patroncards PDF diacritics - how to solve it? 15:52 vfernandes hi 15:46 gaetan_B bye ! 15:45 tcohen au revoir 15:43 reiveune bye 15:31 mtompset I added a link to the wiki as part of the steps, because the installing additional languages is an evolving process. 15:24 * tcohen is in lobby-mode 15:24 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:24 tcohen @later tell rangi looks like bash-completion should work on zsh http://bit.ly/rBFKM8 15:21 tcohen and it is really important 15:21 tcohen i mean it should be done before the webinstall step 15:18 tcohen because you need to install the language for being able to install default data on the needed language 15:18 tcohen t 15:18 tcohen interface languages are relevan 15:16 mtompset Do the installation instructions need to provide information on how to import records? or add interface languages? 15:09 mtompset I'll contemplate this some more... back to testing. 15:08 tcohen that are far beyond a basic INSTALL file 15:08 tcohen people trying to develop have other resources and capabilities 15:07 tcohen because you will end up messing with branch selection instructions 15:07 tcohen but i'd prefer just a link to the relevant wiki page 15:07 tcohen and include a (really small) comment on how to get the sources using git 15:06 tcohen i'd target the instructions for people downloading the release tarball 15:05 mtompset but the document as a whole should be install agnostic, cutting out DEV (or STANDARD) would bust that concept. 15:02 tcohen I mean, i'd remove the whole git part 15:01 tcohen i think instructions fr developers should not be included actually 15:01 mtompset (for the most part) 15:01 mtompset dev = git 15:01 mtompset standard = tarball. 15:01 tcohen standard, of course 15:00 mtompset in the source install instructions, should DEV or STANDARD be first? 14:54 kf bye all 14:48 mtompset Thanks. I just don't want to do that until I have tested it and iron'd out any parts that require too much thinking. 14:46 tcohen mtompset, i'll test your instructions as soon as you attach the patch 14:46 kf :) 14:46 * tcohen wants some friday cookies with mate 14:45 tcohen ok, i'm happy to finally send that patch 14:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash 14:43 tcohen bug 10003 14:43 kf or the weekend after this weekend 14:42 kf so i won't be available for testign until the week after next 14:42 kf i am away for the weekend and next week will be pretty stressful 14:42 kf yeah, throwing away things woudl not be nice 14:36 tcohen magnuse signed that patch already 14:36 tcohen but it would be a pity 14:35 tcohen i can of course remove the tab completion for sip-related stuff 14:35 tcohen my tab completion work depends on a patch that adds --sip and --nosip to the koha-list command 14:35 tcohen thanks kf 14:34 kf tcohen: it's basically i sometimes don't know how to test... but i can build packages. if there is something you want me to look at, maybe you can walk me through sometime 14:34 kf i think he is back at work next week 14:34 kf i have done smaller ones - but he can pass them yes 14:33 tcohen is eythian the only one QAing packages-related stuff? 14:30 mtompset Testing my instructions now. 14:26 mtompset no guarantees. 14:26 * oleonard also has a fence what needs whitewashin' 14:26 tcohen (it covers a small subset of the koha-* commands) 14:26 tcohen you will enjoy testing 14:25 tcohen after success, i'll post a preliminary patch 14:25 tcohen i'm testing building a package to see it gets installed 14:25 wahanui tab completion is sometimes unpredictable 14:25 tcohen tab completion 14:24 mtompset perhaps... 14:24 tcohen :-D 14:24 tcohen have a mission for u 14:24 wahanui mtompset is disliking finding bugs while testing. 14:24 tcohen mtompset 14:22 mtompset Perhaps a boneless BBQ chicken with pesto sauce wrap type thing? ;) 14:21 * druthb does weird wrappy things. She's in a silly mood. 14:21 mtompset ^to^do^ 14:20 mtompset Yes, but if you email it to someone, some mailers to weird wrappy things around 70. 14:20 tcohen 80 is de default for *nix terminals 14:19 mtompset And 65 is a good number for making it look okay in all windows? 14:19 mtompset Because it looks ugly in my window? :P 14:18 tcohen why shrink it mtompset? 14:15 druthb Something…feisty. With jalapenos in it, maybe. 14:15 druthb :P 14:12 mtompset druthb is pesto saucy? Mmmm.... don't think so. 14:12 * oleonard votes pesto 14:12 mtompset alfredo sauce? ;) 14:10 mtompset No, I'm going back to documentation. 14:10 mtompset The coming unjustifiable war in another country (Syria)? ;) 13:59 * druthb is in a saucy mood today. 13:59 druthb The coming war in Syria? The global economy? The Meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything? Those are easier. 13:54 mtompset *sigh* And that's enough head pain for the day... let's go on to an easier problem. 13:45 kf i still hope that jcamins will be able to finish the rewrite some day 13:44 kf with laying the groundwork not being of so much use for libraries in the beginning 13:44 kf the problem is finding funding for big architectural projects like this 13:44 mtompset good point, kf. 13:44 kf so practically a bit stuck i guess 13:44 wahanui okay, kf. 13:44 kf mtompset: solr is also tied into the search rewrite 13:43 mtompset (or whatever search engine the user has selected -- since solr is also coming up) 13:43 jcamins Probably. 13:42 mtompset and put the faceting where in Zebra? 13:41 jcamins mtompset: I don't think you are. In order to facet the entire resultset, you have to remove all faceting from inside Koha. 13:41 druthb Big one. 13:41 druthb We're talking Pyramid of Giza here. 13:41 mtompset sadly, I am becoming aware of it. 13:40 jcamins mtompset: I don't think you understand the scope of the rewrite necessary in order to change faceting. 13:40 druthb :P 13:40 mtompset I made sure to quote, lest you feel slighted via the pronoun use. :) 13:39 mtompset "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." :P 13:39 druthb jcamins got too deep into C4::Search, and you see what's become of him! 13:39 druthb Sinner, go not down this path! 13:39 kf looking at vufind and other interfaces with really strong facetting 13:39 mtompset Yes, it looks like a faceting re-write. 13:38 kf well not me, but i thik that's the way users expect it to work 13:38 kf jcamins: he asked what i want... 13:38 jcamins kf: that's not going to be possible without rewriting the way Koha does faceting. 13:38 kf mtompset: not saying that is the default right now. 13:38 kf mtompset: we want the whole result set. 13:37 wahanui license text is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Licence 13:37 mtompset license text? 13:37 mtompset kf, it is. I think tcohen was merely training wahanui. 13:37 mtompset tcohen: tweaked the license section to have the snail mail address and be -w65 before "# "'s 13:37 kf tcohen: check the coding guidelines- i think it's there 13:34 jcamins *have 13:34 jcamins mtompset: facets haave to be computed according to the user's settings. 13:32 druthb lol 13:32 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7044751872/hE32ABD60/ 13:32 druthb wahanui: C4::Search? 13:31 druthb hm. 13:31 druthb Follow not the path of too-closely examining C4::Search, for chaos and madness await thee at its end. 13:29 mtompset You probably should leave the written address too. 13:29 wahanui OK, tcohen. 13:29 tcohen wahanui: license text is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Licence 13:29 mtompset Do facets have to be for the entire data set or just the current page? 13:28 wahanui :) 13:28 druthb wahanui: botsnack Tums #you'll be wanting that later. 13:27 wahanui :) 13:27 druthb wahanui: botsnack C4::Search 13:27 mtompset Okay... question, if we are going to paginate less than perfectly (for speed purposes), can we get Zebra via Zoom to only return the poorly paginated data set? Do we need to return the full set for anything other than counts? 13:25 mtompset scary thing? 13:25 wahanui it is changing a default behaviour 13:25 mtompset it? 13:24 mtompset The scary thing is... it is becoming more and more clear. 13:24 * mtompset continues into the spiral that is C4::Search 13:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha druthb. 13:24 druthb mornin', mtompset. :) 13:23 tcohen license text? 13:23 wahanui license is probably GPLv3+. 13:23 tcohen license? 13:06 tcohen hi druthb 13:00 druthb o/ 12:51 tcohen hi kf 12:50 kf good morning tcohen 12:42 tcohen morning #koha 12:38 Dyrcona And by "looks good," I mean I tested it with a 19K bib import. 12:36 huginn` Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 12:36 Dyrcona @later tell gmcharlt MARC::Charset 1.35 looks good to me. Do you plan to put it on CPAN, soon? 12:33 oleonard Hi #koha 12:29 kf hi drojf 11:55 kf lol 11:53 magnuse kf: sshhh... 11:45 kf quiet friday :) 09:54 magnuse i think they have done quite a lot of the tuff inside the dome themselves 09:54 magnuse probably not 09:52 kf but I imaging building that was not cheap 09:52 kf looks nice 09:48 magnuse heh http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/08/29/77932-norway-couple-build-hobbit-house-in-dome/ 09:13 kf ah :) 09:12 magnuse to discover that something is easier than you thought 09:11 kf magnuse: hm? :) 09:05 magnuse nice way to end the week :-) 08:57 kf unit_tests++ 08:56 dcook thanks, kf :) 08:56 dcook They're way easier than I thought. I'm going to use them more going forward... 08:56 kf have a nice weekend 08:56 kf bye dcook 08:56 dcook yay unit tests! 08:56 dcook have a good Friday/weekend everyone :) 08:56 dcook On that note, I'm off! 08:56 * dcook thinks the unit test can only do so much...and then perhaps human intervention has to play a role... 08:53 magnuse yeah! 08:53 kf that's.... worrysome 08:53 kf i forgot tolog into #koha 08:52 magnuse guten tag kf 08:51 dcook hey kf 08:50 kf hi #koha 08:37 dcook Bloody croak... 08:31 dcook But maybe I'm trying to do too much 08:31 dcook Well, running into issues with the last bit of the test... 08:31 dcook So yeah...if I'm lucky...maybe I can get an OK prototype on Bugzilla early next week 08:31 dcook I've already hurt myself enough for one week 08:30 dcook hehe 08:30 magnuse especially if you drop it on your toes ;-) 08:29 dcook Also learned that dropping a table during a transaction...not a good idea :p 08:28 magnuse bigtime! 08:28 magnuse dcook++ 08:28 * magnuse thinks that sounds quite plausible ;-) 08:28 dcook I learned how to write unit tests today though, so that was good 08:28 * dcook is more crazy than blind 08:27 dcook Nah, just staring at a screen for 9.5+ hours 08:27 drojf :D 08:27 drojf if you insist 08:27 drojf alright, you are blind then 08:27 dcook :p 08:27 dcook I am a fairly decent touch typist... 08:27 dcook I took poetry with a guy whose computer spoke to him unbelievably quickly. He was able to listen and type and still pay attention to everything. He was amazing. 08:27 drojf heh i was going to write about that. sure, but you would not of you became blind all of a sudden ;) 08:26 dcook I know a few blind people who type quite well :p 08:26 drojf :P 08:26 dcook I thought a file was in a different directory 08:26 drojf your typing looks ok 08:26 dcook Well, perhaps not blind 08:26 * magnuse somehow doubts that 08:06 dcook Really...really...blind 08:06 dcook Ahh, I'm blind 08:02 dcook I am so confused...and totally shouldn't be at work on a Friday night... 07:08 dcook Good thing I backed up the create statement... 07:08 dcook Because my table is defo accidentally nuked 07:08 dcook Or maybe it failed before it could rollback.. 07:07 dcook hey ya gaetan_B :) 07:07 dcook Hmm...looks like dropping a table doesn't get rolled back either... 07:06 gaetan_B hello 06:57 dcook Even when you do $dbh->rollback();, your autoincrement still increases 06:57 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 06:56 dcook Interesting... 06:50 dcook "I know the synthesizer, why don't I use the synthesizer which is the sound of the future" 06:43 cait bbiab :) 06:43 reiveune \o/ 06:42 cait hi reiveune 06:42 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:42 reiveune hello 06:41 dcook Well, only one way to find out ;) 06:40 wahanui i heard maybe was a momentaneous error 06:40 dcook Hmm, maybe... 06:39 dcook I just remembered that I can use that rollback because I"m not using Test::WWW::Mechanize.. 06:39 dcook Ooooh.... 06:37 dcook Especially db_dependent tests.. 06:37 dcook It is! 06:37 magnuse dcook: yeah, it's rather interesting, isn't it :-) 06:37 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:37 * magnuse waves 06:35 dcook Writing tests is both easier and harder than I imagined... 05:40 cait kenza++ 05:28 cait rangi++ 05:17 dcook Wrong window.. 05:17 dcook .. 05:17 dcook I mean...it does...but it doesn't report it as a failed test 05:16 dcook I mean...it does...but it doesn't report it as a failed test 05:16 dcook Hmm Test::More doesn't seem to process "die" or "exit" within a test... 05:09 dcook Test::More consumed...now onto trying to test... 04:19 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 04:16 mtompset dcook: are you sure you didn't mean bend me, shape me? ;) http://youtu.be/2CVJFQkPkCg 03:58 dcook Mmm maybe not.. 03:58 dcook Think I might run into testing problems with some of the more complex methods though... 03:48 dcook Digging this tutorial so far.. 03:46 dcook No time like the present to learn 03:46 dcook I had forgotten about that one 03:46 dcook hehe 03:45 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/57782677571/no-really-you-should-write-unit-tests-first 03:43 dcook ^^ 03:43 dcook Besides, I don't know how to write the damned things. 03:43 dcook *sob* 03:43 dcook AHHHHHHH!!!! NOT TESTING! Anything but testing! Beat me, whip me, send me to Detroit, but don't make me write tests! 03:43 dcook Ack 03:43 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/lib/Test/Tutorial.pod 03:43 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/lib/Test/Tutorial.pod 03:42 dcook Oh... 03:42 dcook Test::More says to look at Test::Simple...Test::Simple says to look at Test::Tutorial 03:40 dcook Thanks for the help 03:40 mtompset Bye, jcamins. 03:40 dcook night jcamins 03:39 * jcamins calls it a night, and leaves the import to run. 03:39 mtompset dcook++ 03:39 mtompset Thanks for trying to save my face, dcook. 03:37 dcook jcamins: Makes sense 03:37 dcook I can be a bit too literal and unfunny at times. Sometimes jokes fall flat with me :p. 03:37 jcamins Actually, I have all the data files, but I'm not sure my import procedure actually works so it seems foolish to import all 68 years. 03:37 mtompset dcook: Not really, if I had to explain it. :P 03:36 jcamins Bwahahahaha! 03:36 dcook jcamins will one day possess all the ERIC 03:36 dcook Ah, nice one, mtompset :p 03:36 dcook Yeah, I'm thinking baby steps are the way to go, or I'll just feel overwhelmed. 03:36 * jcamins starts importing the thesaurus, 1965-1966, and 2009-2012 data files from ERIC. 03:35 mtompset I was trying to make a bad pun on cheating (two-timing) and unit (single). 03:35 jcamins Baby steps. 03:35 jcamins Yeah, that's absolutely the way to do it. 03:35 dcook Or creating and dropping tables and all that jazz 03:35 dcook THEN worry about emulating the database 03:34 dcook Get the whole thing working 03:34 dcook Well, I'm going to use my current database 03:34 dcook Haven't heard that expression in a long time 03:34 dcook Ahhh 03:34 dcook Two-time? 03:34 mtompset You're going to two-time on unit tests? ;) 03:33 dcook I'm still not sure how I'm going to make any of this work.. 03:33 dcook Maybe I'll cheat at first and work backwards... 03:32 dcook It's internal bleeding :p 03:31 * mtompset doesn't see any blood. ;) 03:31 dcook I'm sure you'll be worth it, but you're killing me here 03:31 dcook Blah unit tests... 03:29 mtompset I don't like the differing sized pages, but perhaps that is an acceptable trade off. 03:26 mtompset I'm not going that far! 03:26 dcook My suggestion was for mtompset to figure out a way to use Elasticsearch instead of Zebra :p 03:23 jcamins dcook: if we used ES we wouldn't really be having this problem, would we? :P 03:22 mtompset And now I get the OMGWTFBBQ! now. :) 03:22 dcook I haven't actually read that, btw 03:21 dcook http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/reference/api/search/facets/ 03:21 mtompset Does it matter if page 1 listed 20 items, but items 19 and 20 from page 1 go onto page 2? 03:21 mtompset Okay... next thought... 03:20 jcamins Yes, exactly. 03:20 dcook Hence the paginating me thinks 03:20 mtompset More thinking to do. :( 03:20 mtompset Oh shoot! Building an array of items for the entire set to filter is going to be a horrendous performance hit. 03:18 dcook I'm silly...I don't actually need Test::WWW::Mechanize... 03:16 jcamins If you want to see what the problem is, increase the number of records used for faceting, and do a search that returns thousands of results. 03:16 jcamins It fetches all results, but that's not the problem. 03:15 mtompset The built hashref is paginated, but I thought the results[] were everything. 03:14 mtompset Or is it really sadly, just a paginated subset? 03:13 mtompset ^so^so does^ 03:13 mtompset Wait... so the _ZOOM_event_loop() get all the results, not just a paginated subset? 03:11 dcook Blearghh 03:08 dcook hehe 03:08 dcook Indeed, computer games 03:08 mtompset Oh blast it.. I see what you are saying. 03:06 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m8IOD-wk9g 03:06 rangi this will fix it 03:06 jcamins Yes. 03:06 mtompset does the search intentionally paginate before returning the results?! 03:05 mtompset right, because it isn't a simple go to position 20*x 03:05 jcamins Heck, even going to page 2 is a problem. 03:05 mtompset okay. 03:04 jcamins Because I want to go to page 10. 03:04 mtompset okay, why won't it work? conceptually it does. :) 03:03 mtompset So that the pagination should be trivial, find the 20*x location, and go. 03:03 jcamins Yes, exactly, except that won't work. 03:03 mtompset I should get the search results, and then filter them, BEFORE returning the set back to some other routine. 03:02 mtompset Then non-trivial is what I'm going to do. This is annoying! 03:02 dcook ^^ 03:02 jcamins Unfortunately, doing that is non-trivial. 03:01 jcamins Yes it should. 03:01 dcook Ideally 03:01 mtompset Shouldn't every page have the same number of records, regardless of what is hidden or not hidden (lost, suppressed, hidden, checked out, etc.)? 03:00 * mtompset smirks. 03:00 wahanui somebody said dumb question... was koha-latest.tar.gz correct? 03:00 mtompset okay... dumb question... 02:58 mtompset Ah, that's why I'm all confused... when there are hidden items on a block of 20, there aren't 20 items put out. 02:50 mtompset OPACnumSearchResults, I think. 02:50 jcamins Look at the existing code to see how it figures it out? 02:49 dcook system preference, me thinks 02:49 mtompset how do you know what is configured or asked for? 02:49 jcamins Or are configured. 02:49 dcook Cool. sudo koha-shell myinstance name....then use the git as the koha user...cool 02:49 jcamins mtompset: however many the user asks for. 02:48 mtompset jcamins: How many things should be listed per page? 02:47 dcook Or maybe those are warnings rather than errors.. 02:46 dcook Hmm, Debian didn't like that 02:45 jcamins Right. sudo koha-shell myinstancename 02:45 dcook And it will automatically switch to the koha user 02:45 dcook Use koha-shell as root then? 02:44 dcook Or is it * 02:44 dcook Ahhh 02:44 dcook It seems that they do have a password. We're just bypassing it by logging into it from root 02:44 jcamins No password = no possibility of remote login. 02:44 jcamins Your Koha user should not be able to log in at all. 02:44 jcamins No it's not. 02:44 jcamins I always forget that we have that now. 02:44 jcamins Use koha-shell. 02:44 dcook But that's cheating :p 02:43 jcamins Or just use koha-shell. 02:43 jcamins Then you enter in your password. 02:43 jcamins sudo su - koha-koha 02:42 dcook If I tried to switch to my koha user, it prompts for a password and won't take no for an answer.. 02:42 dcook I've just changed branches in the git 02:42 dcook I haven't really been using this thing much at all to be honest 02:41 jcamins You've been using sudo. ;) 02:41 jcamins It doesn't have one. 02:41 dcook But now I'm trying to remember what my koha user's password is 02:40 * dcook realizes now 02:40 dcook I'm just being silly 02:40 dcook Probably because it's not 02:40 jcamins I don't understand why that's a problem. 02:39 dcook I haven't touched it since I installed the packages 02:39 dcook When I look in /usr/share/koha, everything is root owner and root group 02:39 dcook I'm just working in the git at the moment 02:39 dcook O_o 02:38 jcamins I hope. 02:38 jcamins I don't know what you mean... everyone has access to /usr/share/koha. You're not editing the files from cron jobs. 02:38 jcamins But if you're doing custom cron jobs that can't be managed, you would run them as the Koha user. Or, at least, I would. 02:37 jcamins The cron jobs provided by the packages are run with koha-foreach. 02:37 dcook Because root would be the only one with access to usr/share/koha, right? 02:37 dcook Ordinarily 02:37 dcook I imagine the cronjobs would be run as root 02:36 dcook Actually.. 02:36 dcook True, but this is just for development 02:36 jcamins Your cron jobs should be running as the Koha user, though. 02:36 jcamins I'd just change the permissions on koha-conf.xml, probably. 02:36 dcook I suppose I could change the git group 02:35 dcook But if I'm my Koha user...I won't be able to run from my git 02:35 jcamins Oh, yeah, you're running it as the wrong user. 02:34 dcook I have them linked with Gitify 02:34 dcook One user for my dev site... 02:34 dcook So I have one user for my Git 02:34 wahanui although is, like, mine 2.3.2 or 2.3.3 02:34 dcook Although... 02:33 dcook Because I'm an idiot 02:33 dcook Ah... 02:33 dcook Basically couldn't open the koha-conf.xml and permission denied at...XML/SAX/Expat.pm 02:32 dcook Hmm, this bidirectional clipboard doesn't seem to work.. 02:28 dcook But I get permission denied errors whenever I try to run a cronjob on the VM, since every Perl module outside of Koha has a user and group of root 02:27 dcook Agreed 02:27 jcamins That seems like a bad idea. 02:25 dcook Ok, so I'll run everything as root I guess.. 02:22 dcook But now the VM can't find C4...even though I'm exporting the same variables that are set in apache.. 02:22 dcook But it is on the VM... 02:22 dcook No Test::WWW::Mechanize on dev server... 02:19 dcook All the things... 02:14 dcook Hmm... 02:09 dcook I guess now that I have my code on the VM, it's a good chance to try it all out.. 02:09 dcook ssh++ 02:09 dcook git++ 02:08 dcook I imagine trying different data and database config would be way easier with a test 02:07 dcook That's what I'm thinking in theory 02:07 jcamins It makes it faster. 02:07 jcamins Write the unit test. 02:06 dcook Yet, new knowledge... 02:06 dcook Perhaps better to have a decent prototype first... 02:06 dcook Bleargh...to write a unit test now or sometime in the future... 02:04 dcook I know other languages have slang as well, but I still imagine it must be hell learning English... 02:04 dcook I'm not sure I fully agree with it though 02:03 dcook Apparently urban dictionary has a result for it 02:02 wizzyrea is that a word I should look up? 02:02 dcook Yes, the m was intentional...:p 02:02 dcook I'm sure the solution would cover both situmations 02:02 mtompset If I solve my problem. that would become a trivial thing 02:02 dcook Which reminds me...cait said I should talk to you, jcamins, about DOM indexing. But...I'm not going to bother you about it right now 02:01 dcook If you could solve that, that would be awesome ;) 02:01 dcook So if you click "Location A" facet, you'll still see a "Location B" facet, because your search results contain a bib that has an item with "Location B" even though it doesn't fit with the "Location A" limit 02:01 dcook Basically that facets are always shown for all items for all bibs in the search results 02:00 mtompset what was that? 02:00 dcook That would impact the whole thing that cait and I are talking about as well 01:59 dcook Ahh 01:59 mtompset if an item is hidden, it is still counted, and the facets for it are displayed. 01:58 dcook mtompset: Which problem is that? 01:58 dcook jcamins: Hmm. Thanks. 01:58 jcamins dcook: probably. 01:58 mtompset Can I say curses? :) 01:58 jcamins mtompset: poor guy. 01:58 dcook Then create the necessary tables, fill them up, then drop them after the test? 01:58 mtompset jcamins: I'm looking back at the facets search problem again after taking a break from it. 01:57 dcook I suppose the way to do this would be to use...Test:::WWW::Mechanism to send the HTTP request and get the result... 01:57 * dcook starts up the VM 01:57 jcamins Yeah. 01:57 jcamins In that case, it'll do fine. 01:56 dcook I assume I need Test::WWW::Mechanize for that? 01:55 dcook I think all I need is an ability to send a HTTP request 01:55 * dcook ponders this 01:55 jcamins The logging in doesn't work anymore. 01:55 dcook Thanks :) 01:54 dcook That's also useful to know 01:54 jcamins You should know that Batch.t doesn't work on master. 01:53 dcook Booo... 01:52 dcook That's not a good sign... 01:51 * dcook hopes nothing explodes 01:51 * dcook tries to install locally 01:50 dcook Hmm, I don't appear to have Test/WWW/Mechanize.pm... 01:48 * dcook stares at the test a bit 01:47 dcook For me that is 01:47 dcook Hmm, jcamins's batch.t might lead the way... 01:45 dcook No idea. 01:45 dcook Bad math? :p 01:44 mtompset If I count lost items, checked out items, and items available. I get something way higher than the number given. 01:44 mtompset I'm trying to make sense of the number it is returning. 01:44 dcook O_o 01:43 mtompset Hey, it isn't like you could explain to me how the search results determine the number of items to return in the OPAC search, could you? ;) 01:43 * dcook enjoys being tall despite the nights of agony growing up :p 01:43 dcook But growing pains aren't all bad 01:43 dcook Perhaps the pains of learning as well 01:43 * mtompset nods, "The pains of development." 01:42 dcook Without a test it won't be any good 01:42 dcook I told magnuse that I'd post my stuff up on Bugzilla but... 01:42 mtompset haven't hit that level of complexity yet. 01:42 dcook Probably retrieve that stuff as well 01:42 mtompset oh... scary unit test.. 01:41 dcook I need to add an entry to the database, retrieve that entry, then query Koha's OAI-PMH server, insert a bunch of stuff into the database, and then... 01:41 dcook I think this one is going to be somewhat complex though 01:41 mtompset looking at simple tests already in Koha is helpful too. 01:40 dcook Yeah, I'm taking a look at Galen's blog at the moment 01:40 mtompset Test::More is your friend. 01:40 * dcook ruminates on how to write unit tests 01:40 dcook get mtompset 01:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:34 jcamins Not quite right. 01:33 jcamins Hmm. 01:27 dcook How do you mean? 01:25 wizzyrea there is also a bit of fear of success. 01:21 dcook Gather requirements, do user testing, figure out how to give the best service possible 01:20 dcook Stop wasting time over the capitalization of that word, and reach out to your users 01:20 dcook This is why I think libraries need to be more ambitious 01:20 wizzyrea heh no. You'd have to get a partner in each constituency 01:20 dcook Yeah, human problems with technology...those are my least favourite demands 01:20 dcook Being all things to all people, we can't 01:20 dcook To a degree, we can try to do both, but do any of us have the ability to do comprehensive user testing? 01:19 dcook It's like I was saying the other day. Do we just accomodate libraries or do we try to guide them as well? 01:19 wizzyrea or they demand software to solve their human problems with technology. 01:19 dcook And the libraries tend to say "The system can only do X" 01:19 wizzyrea they depend on the libraries to tell them what to do 01:18 dcook Couldn't agree more 01:18 wizzyrea and the ILS companies aren't doing the user testing either 01:18 dcook YES! 01:18 wizzyrea they're spending too much on ILS licenses :P 01:18 dcook How do you not have resources to find out what your people want... 01:18 dcook Which is a bit counter-intuitive in a way... 01:18 dcook The rest don't tend to have the time or resources for it 01:18 wizzyrea is different from a primary or secondary school library even. 01:18 dcook Unis are the ones with the most resources for it though 01:17 * dcook misses the law libraries... 01:17 wizzyrea is different from a corporate library 01:17 wizzyrea is different from a law library 01:17 dcook Indeed 01:17 dcook Something else I can't remember 01:17 wizzyrea uni is totally different from public though 01:17 dcook The librarians are often called..."assessment librarians" or... 01:17 dcook wizzyrea: True true. More universities are doing that sort of testing as well, apparently. 01:16 jcamins lol 01:16 wizzyrea it would be SO helpful to do user testing on what people need in varying types of institutions 01:16 dcook I think a tornado works iirc 01:16 dcook jcamins: Maybe it's difficult to get to Xanth? 01:16 dcook But the data they do show is often laid out very strangely... 01:16 dcook Well, few ILSes show all the data in a record 01:15 jcamins Is the fact that xanthan gum is hard to find? 01:15 wizzyrea surprise, they don't! 01:15 wizzyrea is how libraries think that borrowers need to see all of the data they know 01:15 wizzyrea one thing that has always bugged me 01:14 wizzyrea MOAR EGGS 01:14 dcook Although we need to have good data to work with 01:14 jcamins I think this cookie dough needs more emulsifier. 01:14 dcook Access is really more in our jurisdiction 01:14 * dcook tries to remember his lifecycle of the record 01:14 wizzyrea I doubt that 01:14 dcook Actually, I think the purpose of cataloguing is probably the capture 01:14 dcook You're much more clear and concise than this guy :p 01:13 jcamins Hmmm. 01:13 * dcook really needs to read wizzyrea's words before typing himself :p 01:13 dcook Which is quite another thing to displaying it 01:13 dcook To capture all the data as accurately as possible 01:13 dcook From an academic/philosophical perspective, the idea is to fully describe the item 01:12 dcook I suppose it's not necessarily the whole focus either 01:12 wizzyrea there are kind of two competing purposes for cataloguing - one is capturing everything there is to know about a manifestation of a work, the other is helping people find that work. Sometimes they overlap... sometimes they don't 01:12 dcook To libraries 01:12 dcook I suppose the idea of user-centered design is still pretty new 01:12 dcook wizzyrea: True true 01:12 rangi yep 01:11 dcook rangi: I imagine a lot of people didn't use the codes for media types either though. 01:11 wizzyrea Showing them things that help them pick the right thing. 01:11 wizzyrea You know what is for users? Showing things they care about. 01:11 dcook users* 01:11 dcook I like how the Gender field is repeatable and allows for transitions, but...that's not really for useres 01:10 dcook Maybe a little jaded :p 01:10 dcook For several reasons 01:09 rangi dumb too 01:09 rangi thats just dump 01:09 rangi you cant have that 01:09 rangi ie, media types being words 01:09 wizzyrea yay 01:09 rangi wizzyrea: speaking of english, RDA has built in bias 01:08 * dcook crosses his fingers and hopes the upload works 01:08 * rangi might be jaded 01:08 rangi don't mind me, ill be over here on the internet, you keep playing with your tape drives 01:08 wizzyrea and the rest of it is "stop abbreviating things so that people who speak english can understand this" 01:08 rangi NOTHING 01:08 rangi oh thats right 01:08 wahanui now is good time with holidays coming up 01:08 rangi now what 01:07 rangi ok, you are sticking this data in fields 01:07 wizzyrea nobody, NOBODY has had a single idea about how to best use this new data we're collecting 01:07 rangi thats the major thing 01:07 rangi yeah 01:07 dcook One of those take it as it comes sort of things 01:07 dcook Mostly because...I have no idea what needs to be done/what people want to be done 01:06 dcook But I probably wouldn't voluntarily do work on it either 01:05 dcook Because iirc there probably isn't anything about it in RDA itself 01:05 dcook s/how/who/ 01:05 dcook I wonder how proposed the 264 field... 01:04 dcook I love that phrase... 01:04 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #273 added. 01:04 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: The main thing I came to realise is -- 'Your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' - which translates to - 'friends don't let friends use RDA' 01:04 wahanui okay, dcook. 01:04 dcook RDA is also your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad 01:04 rangi im incredibly unlikely to ever voluntarily do work on it 01:04 dcook lol 01:03 rangi ie 01:03 rangi 'friends don't let friends use RDA' 01:03 rangi which translates to 01:03 rangi 'your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' 01:03 rangi the main thing i came to realise is 01:03 dcook hehe 01:03 dcook I'm going to upload one that one of our libraries (who has a great cataloguer) has been using 01:03 rangi :) 01:03 wahanui Send a patch! 01:03 rangi be rangi 01:02 dcook I think there are others missing in the 3xx fields and maybe some missing subfields 01:02 dcook Fair enough :) 01:02 wizzyrea ^^ exactly 01:01 rangi in my defence 264 was only proposed at that point 01:00 wizzyrea but I fear we are stuck with it for now 01:00 wizzyrea anyway it's stupid and ought to die 00:58 * dcook shrugs 00:58 dcook Some just want to know the procedure for transcribing the data. Others want it "their way". Others want it "the right way". 00:58 dcook Much like cataloguers really 00:58 dcook I suppose "the user" is a multiheaded beast though 00:57 dcook Hypothetically, the user, right? 00:57 dcook I suppose at the end of the day you have to wonder what it's all for 00:57 * dcook glances at jcamins 00:57 dcook I haven't followed the listservs much 00:56 dcook Probably 00:56 wizzyrea bureaucrats? 00:56 dcook Directors? 00:56 dcook Are they cataloguers? Managers? 00:56 wizzyrea people who wrangle data, people who create information storage schemas. 00:56 dcook I do wonder a bit who leads these debates 00:55 wizzyrea because cataloguers do... cataloguing. Computer scientists do data. 00:55 dcook Who do data? 00:55 dcook Well...I might whinge about supporting it, but I see the necessity. 00:55 wizzyrea well what we really need, is for people who do data to be at the table with the cataloguers 00:55 dcook I would never use IE, but the fact that lots of our clients are forced to makes me really want to support it. 00:55 dcook It's like the IE thing. 00:54 dcook So we need to support that standard, while advocating change. 00:54 wizzyrea tis a very fine line 00:54 dcook It might be a silly standard, but it's a standard. 00:54 dcook I suppose that's the thing, eh? 00:54 wizzyrea but at the risk of alienating our client base - it's rather better to at least appear to give a damn about their standards. Even while advocating for better ones. 00:53 dcook Well... 00:53 wizzyrea which I agree with, generally 00:52 wizzyrea he's saying that we shouldn't have to support RDA at all because it's a stupid thing 00:52 jcamins dcook: "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." 00:52 dcook wizzyrea: No one offers perfect support though. Hence iterative design :) 00:52 dcook jcamins: Sow's ear? 00:51 wizzyrea I didn't say we had perfect support. But we can at least ingest and store RDA 00:51 * dcook says imitating that wassup ad from the other day. 00:51 dcook wizzyrea: True. 00:51 dcook We could possibly do more with indexing now...but... 00:51 wizzyrea now displaying and doing stuff with those fields... that's different 00:51 jcamins I don't know, iteration seems kind of pointless... after all, we don't need a purse made out of a sow's ear, no matter how well-shined it is. :P 00:51 dcook Well... 00:51 dcook Frameworks + XSLT. Done 00:50 dcook Agreed 00:50 * wizzyrea only desires to make librarians not say "Koha doesn't support RDA" which would be a lie. 00:50 dcook iteration! :D 00:50 wizzyrea but no biggie as things are meant to be iteratd 00:50 jcamins Not nearly so much as failing to come up with a good reason for the new "framework" in the first place. 00:49 wizzyrea but omitting the 264 was a bit of an oversight 00:49 jcamins A good raison d'être? 00:49 wizzyrea i had a cursory look, I didn't see anything else that was obviously missing 00:48 dcook I can't remember what else the RDA framework was missing but it was missing something other than the 264.. 00:48 dcook In that case, I might have a better one somewhere.. 00:48 wizzyrea on top of the 7xx ones that rangi added 00:47 dcook Ahhh 00:47 * wizzyrea just added the 264 + subfields 00:47 dcook Well, maybe one or two, but I haven't used them in a while 00:47 dcook Oh, I don't have one really 00:47 wizzyrea well yours might be better, who knows 00:46 dcook Dinger, I was hoping to drop it there :p 00:46 wizzyrea you'll want to check it though 00:46 wizzyrea <.< 00:46 wizzyrea >.> 00:46 dcook All the sugar! 00:46 dcook Ahhh, wizzyrea's already posted a new RDA framework up on the wiki 00:46 jcamins Crowd-sourced gluten free cookies! Yay! 00:45 jcamins How much sugar should I put in? 00:44 dcook sweeet 00:44 wahanui marc history is, like, http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:44 dcook marc history? 00:44 dcook marc history is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:44 dcook Mmm 00:44 wizzyrea he doesn't always answer when he learns something 00:43 jcamins ^^ it worked. wahanui remembers all 00:43 wahanui marc status is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:43 jcamins marc status? 00:43 jcamins Once I work that out, though, I'll need to test it. 00:43 dcook I always forget that link, but it's a handy one 00:43 dcook wizzyrea: Could you do that for me? 00:43 jcamins This is a good question. 00:43 jcamins What flour mixture you ask? 00:43 dcook Oh.. 00:42 dcook marc status is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:42 dcook marc status? 00:42 dcook marc history? 00:42 jcamins I should probably do something very simple, since what I want is to figure out whether I like this flour mixture. 00:42 wizzyrea http://www.yummly.com/recipe/Raw-vegan-coconut-macaroons-329371?columns=6&position=16%2F47 < vaguely what I'm thinking of 00:41 wizzyrea :) 00:41 jcamins Hey, I think I may have been the one who said that. 00:40 wahanui macaroons are tasty, but slightly less than cohesive. 00:40 jcamins macaroOns. 00:40 wizzyrea macaroOns or macarons? 00:39 dcook "_parseSQLLine" ftw 00:39 jcamins My guest is providing macaroons. 00:39 jcamins Nah, macaroons I actually don't have to worry about. 00:39 wizzyrea chocolate coated if you're feeling fancy 00:39 wizzyrea with apricots. 00:39 dcook You can tell I'm only the prep cook in our kitchen.. 00:39 wizzyrea almond coconut macaroons 00:39 jcamins But that doesn't narrow it down much. 00:39 jcamins Probably cookies. 00:39 jcamins Hehe. 00:39 dcook Delicious? 00:38 jcamins What variety? 00:38 dcook Errr \o/ 00:38 dcook GF \p/ 00:38 jcamins The time has come to make a half-batch of gluten-free dessert. 00:38 dcook Whoa...fancy black magic... 00:36 wizzyrea sql usually 00:36 dcook What format do you use? 00:36 dcook Huh...nope...it still has the frameworkcode ''.. 00:36 wizzyrea I haven't ever tried to do it from the included sql files, I always just export/import/modify 00:35 * dcook takes a look at the export 00:35 dcook That would make sense.. 00:35 dcook Maybe when you export from the GUI, it uses columns and doesn't reference the frameworkcode at all then 00:35 wizzyrea I haven't ever had a problem with importing one 00:35 dcook If you're using an SQL file, it explicitly mentioned the framework code '' 00:34 dcook Mmm, but my question is...how does it work? 00:34 wizzyrea preferably from a default framework you haven't modified yet :) 00:34 * dcook should've read your comment before replying, lol 00:33 wizzyrea then yea, export -> import 00:33 dcook I'm thinking of importing the "marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql" as another framework 00:33 wizzyrea onto another framework you've created 00:33 wizzyrea if what you are trying to do is duplicate the default framework so you can do awful thigns to it, I might suggest exporting the default framework, then reimporting that export file 00:27 dcook Since the SQL itself is hardedcoded just for the default framework.. 00:27 dcook Is it possible to import "marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql" into any framework or just into the default framework, when imported via the GUI? 00:26 dcook Actually, I'll ask this as an open question... 00:26 dcook rangi: You about? 00:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework 00:16 dcook bug 9826 00:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013) 00:16 dcook bug 5858 00:16 dcook I can never remember which bugs bgkriegel opened for the marc framework updates...