Time Nick Message 00:16 dcook I can never remember which bugs bgkriegel opened for the marc framework updates... 00:16 dcook bug 5858 00:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013) 00:16 dcook bug 9826 00:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework 00:26 dcook rangi: You about? 00:26 dcook Actually, I'll ask this as an open question... 00:27 dcook Is it possible to import "marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql" into any framework or just into the default framework, when imported via the GUI? 00:27 dcook Since the SQL itself is hardedcoded just for the default framework.. 00:33 wizzyrea if what you are trying to do is duplicate the default framework so you can do awful thigns to it, I might suggest exporting the default framework, then reimporting that export file 00:33 wizzyrea onto another framework you've created 00:33 dcook I'm thinking of importing the "marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql" as another framework 00:33 wizzyrea then yea, export -> import 00:34 * dcook should've read your comment before replying, lol 00:34 wizzyrea preferably from a default framework you haven't modified yet :) 00:34 dcook Mmm, but my question is...how does it work? 00:35 dcook If you're using an SQL file, it explicitly mentioned the framework code '' 00:35 wizzyrea I haven't ever had a problem with importing one 00:35 dcook Maybe when you export from the GUI, it uses columns and doesn't reference the frameworkcode at all then 00:35 dcook That would make sense.. 00:35 * dcook takes a look at the export 00:36 wizzyrea I haven't ever tried to do it from the included sql files, I always just export/import/modify 00:36 dcook Huh...nope...it still has the frameworkcode ''.. 00:36 dcook What format do you use? 00:36 wizzyrea sql usually 00:38 dcook Whoa...fancy black magic... 00:38 jcamins The time has come to make a half-batch of gluten-free dessert. 00:38 dcook GF \p/ 00:38 dcook Errr \o/ 00:38 jcamins What variety? 00:39 dcook Delicious? 00:39 jcamins Hehe. 00:39 jcamins Probably cookies. 00:39 jcamins But that doesn't narrow it down much. 00:39 wizzyrea almond coconut macaroons 00:39 dcook You can tell I'm only the prep cook in our kitchen.. 00:39 wizzyrea with apricots. 00:39 wizzyrea chocolate coated if you're feeling fancy 00:39 jcamins Nah, macaroons I actually don't have to worry about. 00:39 jcamins My guest is providing macaroons. 00:39 dcook "_parseSQLLine" ftw 00:40 wizzyrea macaroOns or macarons? 00:40 jcamins macaroOns. 00:40 wahanui macaroons are tasty, but slightly less than cohesive. 00:41 jcamins Hey, I think I may have been the one who said that. 00:41 wizzyrea :) 00:42 wizzyrea http://www.yummly.com/recipe/Raw-vegan-coconut-macaroons-329371?columns=6&position=16%2F47 < vaguely what I'm thinking of 00:42 jcamins I should probably do something very simple, since what I want is to figure out whether I like this flour mixture. 00:42 dcook marc history? 00:42 dcook marc status? 00:42 dcook marc status is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:43 dcook Oh.. 00:43 jcamins What flour mixture you ask? 00:43 jcamins This is a good question. 00:43 dcook wizzyrea: Could you do that for me? 00:43 dcook I always forget that link, but it's a handy one 00:43 jcamins Once I work that out, though, I'll need to test it. 00:43 jcamins marc status? 00:43 wahanui marc status is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:43 jcamins ^^ it worked. wahanui remembers all 00:44 wizzyrea he doesn't always answer when he learns something 00:44 dcook Mmm 00:44 dcook marc history is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:44 dcook marc history? 00:44 wahanui marc history is, like, http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html 00:44 dcook sweeet 00:45 jcamins How much sugar should I put in? 00:46 jcamins Crowd-sourced gluten free cookies! Yay! 00:46 dcook Ahhh, wizzyrea's already posted a new RDA framework up on the wiki 00:46 dcook All the sugar! 00:46 wizzyrea >.> 00:46 wizzyrea <.< 00:46 wizzyrea you'll want to check it though 00:46 dcook Dinger, I was hoping to drop it there :p 00:47 wizzyrea well yours might be better, who knows 00:47 dcook Oh, I don't have one really 00:47 dcook Well, maybe one or two, but I haven't used them in a while 00:47 * wizzyrea just added the 264 + subfields 00:47 dcook Ahhh 00:48 wizzyrea on top of the 7xx ones that rangi added 00:48 dcook In that case, I might have a better one somewhere.. 00:48 dcook I can't remember what else the RDA framework was missing but it was missing something other than the 264.. 00:49 wizzyrea i had a cursory look, I didn't see anything else that was obviously missing 00:49 jcamins A good raison d'être? 00:49 wizzyrea but omitting the 264 was a bit of an oversight 00:50 jcamins Not nearly so much as failing to come up with a good reason for the new "framework" in the first place. 00:50 wizzyrea but no biggie as things are meant to be iteratd 00:50 dcook iteration! :D 00:50 * wizzyrea only desires to make librarians not say "Koha doesn't support RDA" which would be a lie. 00:50 dcook Agreed 00:51 dcook Frameworks + XSLT. Done 00:51 dcook Well... 00:51 jcamins I don't know, iteration seems kind of pointless... after all, we don't need a purse made out of a sow's ear, no matter how well-shined it is. :P 00:51 wizzyrea now displaying and doing stuff with those fields... that's different 00:51 dcook We could possibly do more with indexing now...but... 00:51 dcook wizzyrea: True. 00:51 * dcook says imitating that wassup ad from the other day. 00:51 wizzyrea I didn't say we had perfect support. But we can at least ingest and store RDA 00:52 dcook jcamins: Sow's ear? 00:52 dcook wizzyrea: No one offers perfect support though. Hence iterative design :) 00:52 jcamins dcook: "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." 00:52 wizzyrea he's saying that we shouldn't have to support RDA at all because it's a stupid thing 00:53 wizzyrea which I agree with, generally 00:53 dcook Well... 00:54 wizzyrea but at the risk of alienating our client base - it's rather better to at least appear to give a damn about their standards. Even while advocating for better ones. 00:54 dcook I suppose that's the thing, eh? 00:54 dcook It might be a silly standard, but it's a standard. 00:54 wizzyrea tis a very fine line 00:54 dcook So we need to support that standard, while advocating change. 00:55 dcook It's like the IE thing. 00:55 dcook I would never use IE, but the fact that lots of our clients are forced to makes me really want to support it. 00:55 wizzyrea well what we really need, is for people who do data to be at the table with the cataloguers 00:55 dcook Well...I might whinge about supporting it, but I see the necessity. 00:55 dcook Who do data? 00:55 wizzyrea because cataloguers do... cataloguing. Computer scientists do data. 00:56 dcook I do wonder a bit who leads these debates 00:56 wizzyrea people who wrangle data, people who create information storage schemas. 00:56 dcook Are they cataloguers? Managers? 00:56 dcook Directors? 00:56 wizzyrea bureaucrats? 00:56 dcook Probably 00:57 dcook I haven't followed the listservs much 00:57 * dcook glances at jcamins 00:57 dcook I suppose at the end of the day you have to wonder what it's all for 00:57 dcook Hypothetically, the user, right? 00:58 dcook I suppose "the user" is a multiheaded beast though 00:58 dcook Much like cataloguers really 00:58 dcook Some just want to know the procedure for transcribing the data. Others want it "their way". Others want it "the right way". 00:58 * dcook shrugs 01:00 wizzyrea anyway it's stupid and ought to die 01:00 wizzyrea but I fear we are stuck with it for now 01:01 rangi in my defence 264 was only proposed at that point 01:02 wizzyrea ^^ exactly 01:02 dcook Fair enough :) 01:02 dcook I think there are others missing in the 3xx fields and maybe some missing subfields 01:03 rangi be rangi 01:03 wahanui Send a patch! 01:03 rangi :) 01:03 dcook I'm going to upload one that one of our libraries (who has a great cataloguer) has been using 01:03 dcook hehe 01:03 rangi the main thing i came to realise is 01:03 rangi 'your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' 01:03 rangi which translates to 01:03 rangi 'friends don't let friends use RDA' 01:03 rangi ie 01:04 dcook lol 01:04 rangi im incredibly unlikely to ever voluntarily do work on it 01:04 dcook RDA is also your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad 01:04 wahanui okay, dcook. 01:04 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: The main thing I came to realise is -- 'Your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' - which translates to - 'friends don't let friends use RDA' 01:04 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #273 added. 01:04 dcook I love that phrase... 01:05 dcook I wonder how proposed the 264 field... 01:05 dcook s/how/who/ 01:05 dcook Because iirc there probably isn't anything about it in RDA itself 01:06 dcook But I probably wouldn't voluntarily do work on it either 01:07 dcook Mostly because...I have no idea what needs to be done/what people want to be done 01:07 dcook One of those take it as it comes sort of things 01:07 rangi yeah 01:07 rangi thats the major thing 01:07 wizzyrea nobody, NOBODY has had a single idea about how to best use this new data we're collecting 01:07 rangi ok, you are sticking this data in fields 01:08 rangi now what 01:08 wahanui now is good time with holidays coming up 01:08 rangi oh thats right 01:08 rangi NOTHING 01:08 wizzyrea and the rest of it is "stop abbreviating things so that people who speak english can understand this" 01:08 rangi don't mind me, ill be over here on the internet, you keep playing with your tape drives 01:08 * rangi might be jaded 01:08 * dcook crosses his fingers and hopes the upload works 01:09 rangi wizzyrea: speaking of english, RDA has built in bias 01:09 wizzyrea yay 01:09 rangi ie, media types being words 01:09 rangi you cant have that 01:09 rangi thats just dump 01:09 rangi dumb too 01:10 dcook For several reasons 01:10 dcook Maybe a little jaded :p 01:11 dcook I like how the Gender field is repeatable and allows for transitions, but...that's not really for useres 01:11 dcook users* 01:11 wizzyrea You know what is for users? Showing things they care about. 01:11 wizzyrea Showing them things that help them pick the right thing. 01:11 dcook rangi: I imagine a lot of people didn't use the codes for media types either though. 01:12 rangi yep 01:12 dcook wizzyrea: True true 01:12 dcook I suppose the idea of user-centered design is still pretty new 01:12 dcook To libraries 01:12 wizzyrea there are kind of two competing purposes for cataloguing - one is capturing everything there is to know about a manifestation of a work, the other is helping people find that work. Sometimes they overlap... sometimes they don't 01:12 dcook I suppose it's not necessarily the whole focus either 01:13 dcook From an academic/philosophical perspective, the idea is to fully describe the item 01:13 dcook To capture all the data as accurately as possible 01:13 dcook Which is quite another thing to displaying it 01:13 * dcook really needs to read wizzyrea's words before typing himself :p 01:13 jcamins Hmmm. 01:14 dcook You're much more clear and concise than this guy :p 01:14 dcook Actually, I think the purpose of cataloguing is probably the capture 01:14 wizzyrea I doubt that 01:14 * dcook tries to remember his lifecycle of the record 01:14 dcook Access is really more in our jurisdiction 01:14 jcamins I think this cookie dough needs more emulsifier. 01:14 dcook Although we need to have good data to work with 01:14 wizzyrea MOAR EGGS 01:15 wizzyrea one thing that has always bugged me 01:15 wizzyrea is how libraries think that borrowers need to see all of the data they know 01:15 wizzyrea surprise, they don't! 01:15 jcamins Is the fact that xanthan gum is hard to find? 01:16 dcook Well, few ILSes show all the data in a record 01:16 dcook But the data they do show is often laid out very strangely... 01:16 dcook jcamins: Maybe it's difficult to get to Xanth? 01:16 dcook I think a tornado works iirc 01:16 wizzyrea it would be SO helpful to do user testing on what people need in varying types of institutions 01:16 jcamins lol 01:17 dcook wizzyrea: True true. More universities are doing that sort of testing as well, apparently. 01:17 dcook The librarians are often called..."assessment librarians" or... 01:17 wizzyrea uni is totally different from public though 01:17 dcook Something else I can't remember 01:17 dcook Indeed 01:17 wizzyrea is different from a law library 01:17 wizzyrea is different from a corporate library 01:17 * dcook misses the law libraries... 01:18 dcook Unis are the ones with the most resources for it though 01:18 wizzyrea is different from a primary or secondary school library even. 01:18 dcook The rest don't tend to have the time or resources for it 01:18 dcook Which is a bit counter-intuitive in a way... 01:18 dcook How do you not have resources to find out what your people want... 01:18 wizzyrea they're spending too much on ILS licenses :P 01:18 dcook YES! 01:18 wizzyrea and the ILS companies aren't doing the user testing either 01:18 dcook Couldn't agree more 01:19 wizzyrea they depend on the libraries to tell them what to do 01:19 dcook And the libraries tend to say "The system can only do X" 01:19 wizzyrea or they demand software to solve their human problems with technology. 01:19 dcook It's like I was saying the other day. Do we just accomodate libraries or do we try to guide them as well? 01:20 dcook To a degree, we can try to do both, but do any of us have the ability to do comprehensive user testing? 01:20 dcook Being all things to all people, we can't 01:20 dcook Yeah, human problems with technology...those are my least favourite demands 01:20 wizzyrea heh no. You'd have to get a partner in each constituency 01:20 dcook This is why I think libraries need to be more ambitious 01:20 dcook Stop wasting time over the capitalization of that word, and reach out to your users 01:21 dcook Gather requirements, do user testing, figure out how to give the best service possible 01:25 wizzyrea there is also a bit of fear of success. 01:27 dcook How do you mean? 01:33 jcamins Hmm. 01:34 jcamins Not quite right. 01:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:40 dcook get mtompset 01:40 * dcook ruminates on how to write unit tests 01:40 mtompset Test::More is your friend. 01:40 dcook Yeah, I'm taking a look at Galen's blog at the moment 01:41 mtompset looking at simple tests already in Koha is helpful too. 01:41 dcook I think this one is going to be somewhat complex though 01:41 dcook I need to add an entry to the database, retrieve that entry, then query Koha's OAI-PMH server, insert a bunch of stuff into the database, and then... 01:42 mtompset oh... scary unit test.. 01:42 dcook Probably retrieve that stuff as well 01:42 mtompset haven't hit that level of complexity yet. 01:42 dcook I told magnuse that I'd post my stuff up on Bugzilla but... 01:42 dcook Without a test it won't be any good 01:43 * mtompset nods, "The pains of development." 01:43 dcook Perhaps the pains of learning as well 01:43 dcook But growing pains aren't all bad 01:43 * dcook enjoys being tall despite the nights of agony growing up :p 01:43 mtompset Hey, it isn't like you could explain to me how the search results determine the number of items to return in the OPAC search, could you? ;) 01:44 dcook O_o 01:44 mtompset I'm trying to make sense of the number it is returning. 01:44 mtompset If I count lost items, checked out items, and items available. I get something way higher than the number given. 01:45 dcook Bad math? :p 01:45 dcook No idea. 01:47 dcook Hmm, jcamins's batch.t might lead the way... 01:47 dcook For me that is 01:48 * dcook stares at the test a bit 01:50 dcook Hmm, I don't appear to have Test/WWW/Mechanize.pm... 01:51 * dcook tries to install locally 01:51 * dcook hopes nothing explodes 01:52 dcook That's not a good sign... 01:53 dcook Booo... 01:54 jcamins You should know that Batch.t doesn't work on master. 01:54 dcook That's also useful to know 01:55 dcook Thanks :) 01:55 jcamins The logging in doesn't work anymore. 01:55 * dcook ponders this 01:55 dcook I think all I need is an ability to send a HTTP request 01:56 dcook I assume I need Test::WWW::Mechanize for that? 01:57 jcamins In that case, it'll do fine. 01:57 jcamins Yeah. 01:57 * dcook starts up the VM 01:57 dcook I suppose the way to do this would be to use...Test:::WWW::Mechanism to send the HTTP request and get the result... 01:58 mtompset jcamins: I'm looking back at the facets search problem again after taking a break from it. 01:58 dcook Then create the necessary tables, fill them up, then drop them after the test? 01:58 jcamins mtompset: poor guy. 01:58 mtompset Can I say curses? :) 01:58 jcamins dcook: probably. 01:58 dcook jcamins: Hmm. Thanks. 01:58 dcook mtompset: Which problem is that? 01:59 mtompset if an item is hidden, it is still counted, and the facets for it are displayed. 01:59 dcook Ahh 02:00 dcook That would impact the whole thing that cait and I are talking about as well 02:00 mtompset what was that? 02:01 dcook Basically that facets are always shown for all items for all bibs in the search results 02:01 dcook So if you click "Location A" facet, you'll still see a "Location B" facet, because your search results contain a bib that has an item with "Location B" even though it doesn't fit with the "Location A" limit 02:01 dcook If you could solve that, that would be awesome ;) 02:02 dcook Which reminds me...cait said I should talk to you, jcamins, about DOM indexing. But...I'm not going to bother you about it right now 02:02 mtompset If I solve my problem. that would become a trivial thing 02:02 dcook I'm sure the solution would cover both situmations 02:02 dcook Yes, the m was intentional...:p 02:02 wizzyrea is that a word I should look up? 02:03 dcook Apparently urban dictionary has a result for it 02:04 dcook I'm not sure I fully agree with it though 02:04 dcook I know other languages have slang as well, but I still imagine it must be hell learning English... 02:06 dcook Bleargh...to write a unit test now or sometime in the future... 02:06 dcook Perhaps better to have a decent prototype first... 02:06 dcook Yet, new knowledge... 02:07 jcamins Write the unit test. 02:07 jcamins It makes it faster. 02:07 dcook That's what I'm thinking in theory 02:08 dcook I imagine trying different data and database config would be way easier with a test 02:09 dcook git++ 02:09 dcook ssh++ 02:09 dcook I guess now that I have my code on the VM, it's a good chance to try it all out.. 02:14 dcook Hmm... 02:19 dcook All the things... 02:22 dcook No Test::WWW::Mechanize on dev server... 02:22 dcook But it is on the VM... 02:22 dcook But now the VM can't find C4...even though I'm exporting the same variables that are set in apache.. 02:25 dcook Ok, so I'll run everything as root I guess.. 02:27 jcamins That seems like a bad idea. 02:27 dcook Agreed 02:28 dcook But I get permission denied errors whenever I try to run a cronjob on the VM, since every Perl module outside of Koha has a user and group of root 02:32 dcook Hmm, this bidirectional clipboard doesn't seem to work.. 02:33 dcook Basically couldn't open the koha-conf.xml and permission denied at...XML/SAX/Expat.pm 02:33 dcook Ah... 02:33 dcook Because I'm an idiot 02:34 dcook Although... 02:34 wahanui although is, like, mine 2.3.2 or 2.3.3 02:34 dcook So I have one user for my Git 02:34 dcook One user for my dev site... 02:34 dcook I have them linked with Gitify 02:35 jcamins Oh, yeah, you're running it as the wrong user. 02:35 dcook But if I'm my Koha user...I won't be able to run from my git 02:36 dcook I suppose I could change the git group 02:36 jcamins I'd just change the permissions on koha-conf.xml, probably. 02:36 jcamins Your cron jobs should be running as the Koha user, though. 02:36 dcook True, but this is just for development 02:36 dcook Actually.. 02:37 dcook I imagine the cronjobs would be run as root 02:37 dcook Ordinarily 02:37 dcook Because root would be the only one with access to usr/share/koha, right? 02:37 jcamins The cron jobs provided by the packages are run with koha-foreach. 02:38 jcamins But if you're doing custom cron jobs that can't be managed, you would run them as the Koha user. Or, at least, I would. 02:38 jcamins I don't know what you mean... everyone has access to /usr/share/koha. You're not editing the files from cron jobs. 02:38 jcamins I hope. 02:39 dcook O_o 02:39 dcook I'm just working in the git at the moment 02:39 dcook When I look in /usr/share/koha, everything is root owner and root group 02:39 dcook I haven't touched it since I installed the packages 02:40 jcamins I don't understand why that's a problem. 02:40 dcook Probably because it's not 02:40 dcook I'm just being silly 02:40 * dcook realizes now 02:41 dcook But now I'm trying to remember what my koha user's password is 02:41 jcamins It doesn't have one. 02:41 jcamins You've been using sudo. ;) 02:42 dcook I haven't really been using this thing much at all to be honest 02:42 dcook I've just changed branches in the git 02:42 dcook If I tried to switch to my koha user, it prompts for a password and won't take no for an answer.. 02:43 jcamins sudo su - koha-koha 02:43 jcamins Then you enter in your password. 02:43 jcamins Or just use koha-shell. 02:44 dcook But that's cheating :p 02:44 jcamins Use koha-shell. 02:44 jcamins I always forget that we have that now. 02:44 jcamins No it's not. 02:44 jcamins Your Koha user should not be able to log in at all. 02:44 jcamins No password = no possibility of remote login. 02:44 dcook It seems that they do have a password. We're just bypassing it by logging into it from root 02:44 dcook Ahhh 02:44 dcook Or is it * 02:45 dcook Use koha-shell as root then? 02:45 dcook And it will automatically switch to the koha user 02:45 jcamins Right. sudo koha-shell myinstancename 02:46 dcook Hmm, Debian didn't like that 02:47 dcook Or maybe those are warnings rather than errors.. 02:48 mtompset jcamins: How many things should be listed per page? 02:49 jcamins mtompset: however many the user asks for. 02:49 dcook Cool. sudo koha-shell myinstance name....then use the git as the koha user...cool 02:49 jcamins Or are configured. 02:49 mtompset how do you know what is configured or asked for? 02:49 dcook system preference, me thinks 02:50 jcamins Look at the existing code to see how it figures it out? 02:50 mtompset OPACnumSearchResults, I think. 02:58 mtompset Ah, that's why I'm all confused... when there are hidden items on a block of 20, there aren't 20 items put out. 03:00 mtompset okay... dumb question... 03:00 wahanui somebody said dumb question... was koha-latest.tar.gz correct? 03:00 * mtompset smirks. 03:01 mtompset Shouldn't every page have the same number of records, regardless of what is hidden or not hidden (lost, suppressed, hidden, checked out, etc.)? 03:01 dcook Ideally 03:01 jcamins Yes it should. 03:02 jcamins Unfortunately, doing that is non-trivial. 03:02 dcook ^^ 03:02 mtompset Then non-trivial is what I'm going to do. This is annoying! 03:03 mtompset I should get the search results, and then filter them, BEFORE returning the set back to some other routine. 03:03 jcamins Yes, exactly, except that won't work. 03:03 mtompset So that the pagination should be trivial, find the 20*x location, and go. 03:04 mtompset okay, why won't it work? conceptually it does. :) 03:04 jcamins Because I want to go to page 10. 03:05 mtompset okay. 03:05 jcamins Heck, even going to page 2 is a problem. 03:05 mtompset right, because it isn't a simple go to position 20*x 03:06 mtompset does the search intentionally paginate before returning the results?! 03:06 jcamins Yes. 03:06 rangi this will fix it 03:06 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m8IOD-wk9g 03:08 mtompset Oh blast it.. I see what you are saying. 03:08 dcook Indeed, computer games 03:08 dcook hehe 03:11 dcook Blearghh 03:13 mtompset Wait... so the _ZOOM_event_loop() get all the results, not just a paginated subset? 03:13 mtompset ^so^so does^ 03:14 mtompset Or is it really sadly, just a paginated subset? 03:15 mtompset The built hashref is paginated, but I thought the results[] were everything. 03:16 jcamins It fetches all results, but that's not the problem. 03:16 jcamins If you want to see what the problem is, increase the number of records used for faceting, and do a search that returns thousands of results. 03:18 dcook I'm silly...I don't actually need Test::WWW::Mechanize... 03:20 mtompset Oh shoot! Building an array of items for the entire set to filter is going to be a horrendous performance hit. 03:20 mtompset More thinking to do. :( 03:20 dcook Hence the paginating me thinks 03:20 jcamins Yes, exactly. 03:21 mtompset Okay... next thought... 03:21 mtompset Does it matter if page 1 listed 20 items, but items 19 and 20 from page 1 go onto page 2? 03:21 dcook http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/reference/api/search/facets/ 03:22 dcook I haven't actually read that, btw 03:22 mtompset And now I get the OMGWTFBBQ! now. :) 03:23 jcamins dcook: if we used ES we wouldn't really be having this problem, would we? :P 03:26 dcook My suggestion was for mtompset to figure out a way to use Elasticsearch instead of Zebra :p 03:26 mtompset I'm not going that far! 03:29 mtompset I don't like the differing sized pages, but perhaps that is an acceptable trade off. 03:31 dcook Blah unit tests... 03:31 dcook I'm sure you'll be worth it, but you're killing me here 03:31 * mtompset doesn't see any blood. ;) 03:32 dcook It's internal bleeding :p 03:33 dcook Maybe I'll cheat at first and work backwards... 03:33 dcook I'm still not sure how I'm going to make any of this work.. 03:34 mtompset You're going to two-time on unit tests? ;) 03:34 dcook Two-time? 03:34 dcook Ahhh 03:34 dcook Haven't heard that expression in a long time 03:34 dcook Well, I'm going to use my current database 03:34 dcook Get the whole thing working 03:35 dcook THEN worry about emulating the database 03:35 dcook Or creating and dropping tables and all that jazz 03:35 jcamins Yeah, that's absolutely the way to do it. 03:35 jcamins Baby steps. 03:35 mtompset I was trying to make a bad pun on cheating (two-timing) and unit (single). 03:36 * jcamins starts importing the thesaurus, 1965-1966, and 2009-2012 data files from ERIC. 03:36 dcook Yeah, I'm thinking baby steps are the way to go, or I'll just feel overwhelmed. 03:36 dcook Ah, nice one, mtompset :p 03:36 dcook jcamins will one day possess all the ERIC 03:36 jcamins Bwahahahaha! 03:37 mtompset dcook: Not really, if I had to explain it. :P 03:37 jcamins Actually, I have all the data files, but I'm not sure my import procedure actually works so it seems foolish to import all 68 years. 03:37 dcook I can be a bit too literal and unfunny at times. Sometimes jokes fall flat with me :p. 03:37 dcook jcamins: Makes sense 03:39 mtompset Thanks for trying to save my face, dcook. 03:39 mtompset dcook++ 03:39 * jcamins calls it a night, and leaves the import to run. 03:40 dcook night jcamins 03:40 mtompset Bye, jcamins. 03:40 dcook Thanks for the help 03:42 dcook Test::More says to look at Test::Simple...Test::Simple says to look at Test::Tutorial 03:42 dcook Oh... 03:43 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/lib/Test/Tutorial.pod 03:43 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/lib/Test/Tutorial.pod 03:43 dcook Ack 03:43 dcook AHHHHHHH!!!! NOT TESTING! Anything but testing! Beat me, whip me, send me to Detroit, but don't make me write tests! 03:43 dcook *sob* 03:43 dcook Besides, I don't know how to write the damned things. 03:43 dcook ^^ 03:45 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/57782677571/no-really-you-should-write-unit-tests-first 03:46 dcook hehe 03:46 dcook I had forgotten about that one 03:46 dcook No time like the present to learn 03:48 dcook Digging this tutorial so far.. 03:58 dcook Think I might run into testing problems with some of the more complex methods though... 03:58 dcook Mmm maybe not.. 04:16 mtompset dcook: are you sure you didn't mean bend me, shape me? ;) http://youtu.be/2CVJFQkPkCg 04:19 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 05:09 dcook Test::More consumed...now onto trying to test... 05:16 dcook Hmm Test::More doesn't seem to process "die" or "exit" within a test... 05:16 dcook I mean...it does...but it doesn't report it as a failed test 05:17 dcook I mean...it does...but it doesn't report it as a failed test 05:17 dcook .. 05:17 dcook Wrong window.. 05:28 cait rangi++ 05:40 cait kenza++ 06:35 dcook Writing tests is both easier and harder than I imagined... 06:37 * magnuse waves 06:37 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:37 magnuse dcook: yeah, it's rather interesting, isn't it :-) 06:37 dcook It is! 06:37 dcook Especially db_dependent tests.. 06:39 dcook Ooooh.... 06:39 dcook I just remembered that I can use that rollback because I"m not using Test::WWW::Mechanize.. 06:40 dcook Hmm, maybe... 06:40 wahanui i heard maybe was a momentaneous error 06:41 dcook Well, only one way to find out ;) 06:42 reiveune hello 06:42 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:42 cait hi reiveune 06:43 reiveune \o/ 06:43 cait bbiab :) 06:50 dcook "I know the synthesizer, why don't I use the synthesizer which is the sound of the future" 06:56 dcook Interesting... 06:57 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 06:57 dcook Even when you do $dbh->rollback();, your autoincrement still increases 07:06 gaetan_B hello 07:07 dcook Hmm...looks like dropping a table doesn't get rolled back either... 07:07 dcook hey ya gaetan_B :) 07:08 dcook Or maybe it failed before it could rollback.. 07:08 dcook Because my table is defo accidentally nuked 07:08 dcook Good thing I backed up the create statement... 08:02 dcook I am so confused...and totally shouldn't be at work on a Friday night... 08:06 dcook Ahh, I'm blind 08:06 dcook Really...really...blind 08:26 * magnuse somehow doubts that 08:26 dcook Well, perhaps not blind 08:26 drojf your typing looks ok 08:26 dcook I thought a file was in a different directory 08:26 drojf :P 08:26 dcook I know a few blind people who type quite well :p 08:27 drojf heh i was going to write about that. sure, but you would not of you became blind all of a sudden ;) 08:27 dcook I took poetry with a guy whose computer spoke to him unbelievably quickly. He was able to listen and type and still pay attention to everything. He was amazing. 08:27 dcook I am a fairly decent touch typist... 08:27 dcook :p 08:27 drojf alright, you are blind then 08:27 drojf if you insist 08:27 drojf :D 08:27 dcook Nah, just staring at a screen for 9.5+ hours 08:28 * dcook is more crazy than blind 08:28 dcook I learned how to write unit tests today though, so that was good 08:28 * magnuse thinks that sounds quite plausible ;-) 08:28 magnuse dcook++ 08:28 magnuse bigtime! 08:29 dcook Also learned that dropping a table during a transaction...not a good idea :p 08:30 magnuse especially if you drop it on your toes ;-) 08:30 dcook hehe 08:31 dcook I've already hurt myself enough for one week 08:31 dcook So yeah...if I'm lucky...maybe I can get an OK prototype on Bugzilla early next week 08:31 dcook Well, running into issues with the last bit of the test... 08:31 dcook But maybe I'm trying to do too much 08:37 dcook Bloody croak... 08:50 kf hi #koha 08:51 dcook hey kf 08:52 magnuse guten tag kf 08:53 kf i forgot tolog into #koha 08:53 kf that's.... worrysome 08:53 magnuse yeah! 08:56 * dcook thinks the unit test can only do so much...and then perhaps human intervention has to play a role... 08:56 dcook On that note, I'm off! 08:56 dcook have a good Friday/weekend everyone :) 08:56 dcook yay unit tests! 08:56 kf bye dcook 08:56 kf have a nice weekend 08:56 dcook They're way easier than I thought. I'm going to use them more going forward... 08:56 dcook thanks, kf :) 08:57 kf unit_tests++ 09:05 magnuse nice way to end the week :-) 09:11 kf magnuse: hm? :) 09:12 magnuse to discover that something is easier than you thought 09:13 kf ah :) 09:48 magnuse heh http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/08/29/77932-norway-couple-build-hobbit-house-in-dome/ 09:52 kf looks nice 09:52 kf but I imaging building that was not cheap 09:54 magnuse probably not 09:54 magnuse i think they have done quite a lot of the tuff inside the dome themselves 11:45 kf quiet friday :) 11:53 magnuse kf: sshhh... 11:55 kf lol 12:29 kf hi drojf 12:33 oleonard Hi #koha 12:36 Dyrcona @later tell gmcharlt MARC::Charset 1.35 looks good to me. Do you plan to put it on CPAN, soon? 12:36 huginn` Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 12:38 Dyrcona And by "looks good," I mean I tested it with a 19K bib import. 12:42 tcohen morning #koha 12:50 kf good morning tcohen 12:51 tcohen hi kf 13:00 druthb o/ 13:06 tcohen hi druthb 13:23 tcohen license? 13:23 wahanui license is probably GPLv3+. 13:23 tcohen license text? 13:24 druthb mornin', mtompset. :) 13:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha druthb. 13:24 * mtompset continues into the spiral that is C4::Search 13:24 mtompset The scary thing is... it is becoming more and more clear. 13:25 mtompset it? 13:25 wahanui it is changing a default behaviour 13:25 mtompset scary thing? 13:27 mtompset Okay... question, if we are going to paginate less than perfectly (for speed purposes), can we get Zebra via Zoom to only return the poorly paginated data set? Do we need to return the full set for anything other than counts? 13:27 druthb wahanui: botsnack C4::Search 13:27 wahanui :) 13:28 druthb wahanui: botsnack Tums #you'll be wanting that later. 13:28 wahanui :) 13:29 mtompset Do facets have to be for the entire data set or just the current page? 13:29 tcohen wahanui: license text is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Licence 13:29 wahanui OK, tcohen. 13:29 mtompset You probably should leave the written address too. 13:31 druthb Follow not the path of too-closely examining C4::Search, for chaos and madness await thee at its end. 13:31 druthb hm. 13:32 druthb wahanui: C4::Search? 13:32 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7044751872/hE32ABD60/ 13:32 druthb lol 13:34 jcamins mtompset: facets haave to be computed according to the user's settings. 13:34 jcamins *have 13:37 kf tcohen: check the coding guidelines- i think it's there 13:37 mtompset tcohen: tweaked the license section to have the snail mail address and be -w65 before "# "'s 13:37 mtompset kf, it is. I think tcohen was merely training wahanui. 13:37 mtompset license text? 13:37 wahanui license text is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Licence 13:38 kf mtompset: we want the whole result set. 13:38 kf mtompset: not saying that is the default right now. 13:38 jcamins kf: that's not going to be possible without rewriting the way Koha does faceting. 13:38 kf jcamins: he asked what i want... 13:38 kf well not me, but i thik that's the way users expect it to work 13:39 mtompset Yes, it looks like a faceting re-write. 13:39 kf looking at vufind and other interfaces with really strong facetting 13:39 druthb Sinner, go not down this path! 13:39 druthb jcamins got too deep into C4::Search, and you see what's become of him! 13:39 mtompset "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." :P 13:40 mtompset I made sure to quote, lest you feel slighted via the pronoun use. :) 13:40 druthb :P 13:40 jcamins mtompset: I don't think you understand the scope of the rewrite necessary in order to change faceting. 13:41 mtompset sadly, I am becoming aware of it. 13:41 druthb We're talking Pyramid of Giza here. 13:41 druthb Big one. 13:41 jcamins mtompset: I don't think you are. In order to facet the entire resultset, you have to remove all faceting from inside Koha. 13:42 mtompset and put the faceting where in Zebra? 13:43 jcamins Probably. 13:43 mtompset (or whatever search engine the user has selected -- since solr is also coming up) 13:44 kf mtompset: solr is also tied into the search rewrite 13:44 wahanui okay, kf. 13:44 kf so practically a bit stuck i guess 13:44 mtompset good point, kf. 13:44 kf the problem is finding funding for big architectural projects like this 13:44 kf with laying the groundwork not being of so much use for libraries in the beginning 13:45 kf i still hope that jcamins will be able to finish the rewrite some day 13:54 mtompset *sigh* And that's enough head pain for the day... let's go on to an easier problem. 13:59 druthb The coming war in Syria? The global economy? The Meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything? Those are easier. 13:59 * druthb is in a saucy mood today. 14:10 mtompset The coming unjustifiable war in another country (Syria)? ;) 14:10 mtompset No, I'm going back to documentation. 14:12 mtompset alfredo sauce? ;) 14:12 * oleonard votes pesto 14:12 mtompset druthb is pesto saucy? Mmmm.... don't think so. 14:15 druthb :P 14:15 druthb Something…feisty. With jalapenos in it, maybe. 14:18 tcohen why shrink it mtompset? 14:19 mtompset Because it looks ugly in my window? :P 14:19 mtompset And 65 is a good number for making it look okay in all windows? 14:20 tcohen 80 is de default for *nix terminals 14:20 mtompset Yes, but if you email it to someone, some mailers to weird wrappy things around 70. 14:21 mtompset ^to^do^ 14:21 * druthb does weird wrappy things. She's in a silly mood. 14:22 mtompset Perhaps a boneless BBQ chicken with pesto sauce wrap type thing? ;) 14:24 tcohen mtompset 14:24 wahanui mtompset is disliking finding bugs while testing. 14:24 tcohen have a mission for u 14:24 tcohen :-D 14:24 mtompset perhaps... 14:25 tcohen tab completion 14:25 wahanui tab completion is sometimes unpredictable 14:25 tcohen i'm testing building a package to see it gets installed 14:25 tcohen after success, i'll post a preliminary patch 14:26 tcohen you will enjoy testing 14:26 tcohen (it covers a small subset of the koha-* commands) 14:26 * oleonard also has a fence what needs whitewashin' 14:26 mtompset no guarantees. 14:30 mtompset Testing my instructions now. 14:33 tcohen is eythian the only one QAing packages-related stuff? 14:34 kf i have done smaller ones - but he can pass them yes 14:34 kf i think he is back at work next week 14:34 kf tcohen: it's basically i sometimes don't know how to test... but i can build packages. if there is something you want me to look at, maybe you can walk me through sometime 14:35 tcohen thanks kf 14:35 tcohen my tab completion work depends on a patch that adds --sip and --nosip to the koha-list command 14:35 tcohen i can of course remove the tab completion for sip-related stuff 14:36 tcohen but it would be a pity 14:36 tcohen magnuse signed that patch already 14:42 kf yeah, throwing away things woudl not be nice 14:42 kf i am away for the weekend and next week will be pretty stressful 14:42 kf so i won't be available for testign until the week after next 14:43 kf or the weekend after this weekend 14:43 tcohen bug 10003 14:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash 14:45 tcohen ok, i'm happy to finally send that patch 14:46 * tcohen wants some friday cookies with mate 14:46 kf :) 14:46 tcohen mtompset, i'll test your instructions as soon as you attach the patch 14:48 mtompset Thanks. I just don't want to do that until I have tested it and iron'd out any parts that require too much thinking. 14:54 kf bye all 15:00 mtompset in the source install instructions, should DEV or STANDARD be first? 15:01 tcohen standard, of course 15:01 mtompset standard = tarball. 15:01 mtompset dev = git 15:01 mtompset (for the most part) 15:01 tcohen i think instructions fr developers should not be included actually 15:02 tcohen I mean, i'd remove the whole git part 15:05 mtompset but the document as a whole should be install agnostic, cutting out DEV (or STANDARD) would bust that concept. 15:06 tcohen i'd target the instructions for people downloading the release tarball 15:07 tcohen and include a (really small) comment on how to get the sources using git 15:07 tcohen but i'd prefer just a link to the relevant wiki page 15:07 tcohen because you will end up messing with branch selection instructions 15:08 tcohen people trying to develop have other resources and capabilities 15:08 tcohen that are far beyond a basic INSTALL file 15:09 mtompset I'll contemplate this some more... back to testing. 15:16 mtompset Do the installation instructions need to provide information on how to import records? or add interface languages? 15:18 tcohen interface languages are relevan 15:18 tcohen t 15:18 tcohen because you need to install the language for being able to install default data on the needed language 15:21 tcohen i mean it should be done before the webinstall step 15:21 tcohen and it is really important 15:24 tcohen @later tell rangi looks like bash-completion should work on zsh http://bit.ly/rBFKM8 15:24 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:24 * tcohen is in lobby-mode 15:31 mtompset I added a link to the wiki as part of the steps, because the installing additional languages is an evolving process. 15:43 reiveune bye 15:45 tcohen au revoir 15:46 gaetan_B bye ! 15:52 vfernandes hi 15:53 vfernandes Patroncards PDF diacritics - how to solve it? 15:53 vfernandes patroncards in koha 3.12 aren't working correctly 15:53 tcohen is there a bug filled for that? 15:54 vfernandes only for labels PDF 16:01 cait vfernandes: yes multiple bugs 16:01 cait and a possible solution that needs a bit more work 16:15 tcohen liw, r u around? 16:32 oleonard-away dcook said he added another RDA framework to the wiki but I don't see it 16:33 oleonard Oh, did he replace the one that rangi added? 16:33 oleonard Okay, yeah he did. 16:34 oleonard The more my catalogers learn about RDA the more they (and I) hate it. 16:35 oleonard ...but if they want to be able to work with records others have cataloged with RDA then we have to have an updated framework to deal with it :( 16:45 mtompset What if one cataloger's framework for RDA doesn't match another's framework? 16:45 mtompset (actually, the question is broader than just RDA too) 16:46 oleonard Then they view and edit records differently 16:46 jcamins Then at least one of them has a framework that is objectively wrong. 16:46 mtompset could they both be objectively wrong and a third one is actually the correct one? 16:46 oleonard jcamins: It sounds like with RDA a lot of objectivity has been taken out of the picture 16:47 oleonard mtompset: No it's the fourth one that is correct. 16:47 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but not in terms of frameworks. 16:47 * mtompset laughs, "You have a point, oleonard." 16:47 jcamins In the Koha sense, there is a framework which is objectively correct, i.e. it has all the valid tags. 16:48 * oleonard wonders if dcook's better approaches that ideal 16:48 jcamins Presumably, since he added to rangi's. 17:16 liw tcohen, you rang? 17:27 tcohen liw 17:28 tcohen i wanted to ask u for some advice on implementing the 'status' switch fr the koha-common init script 17:28 tcohen i wrote a patch for 10624 17:28 tcohen bug 10624 17:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch 17:29 tcohen it just prints the status of the relevant processes that *should* be running 17:35 liw tcohen, that looks good to me 17:35 tcohen ok 17:35 tcohen thx 17:59 oleonard Doesn't look like the idreambooks.com stuff is working anymore. 18:01 jcamins oleonard: really? 18:01 wahanui really is off now 18:01 jcamins That's unfortunate. 18:01 oleonard Not working for me anyway jcamins 18:02 jcamins Works for me. 18:02 jcamins Only about 1% of their data is actually available via API, apparently. 18:02 jcamins [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=85532 18:03 oleonard Oh, duh, the request was being blocked. 18:05 jcamins That would explain it. 18:06 drojf evening #koha 18:08 drojf [off] "I once again express my thanks to Mr. A.J. Tomson on behalf of Koha community." <- ??? 18:09 jcamins [off] He was elected once, so he now gets to speak for the community. 18:09 drojf [off] i see 18:09 jcamins [off] And LiveDVD Manager is a much more august position than RM, obviously, since RMs can't speak for the community. 18:09 drojf [off] makes sense 18:09 drojf [off] he also speaks for academic libraries 18:13 oleonard [off] "He had implemented Koha in 2000 itself." <-- The year 2000? 18:14 druthb drojf! 18:15 drojf hm 18:15 drojf that bad karma kicks me out of irc thing again ^^ 18:16 oleonard drojf: If someone gives bad karma you get kicked out? 18:16 oleonard drojf_getting_kicked_out_for_bad_karma-- 18:16 drojf if i talk bad about someone i get kicked out ;) 18:17 drojf @karma vimal 18:17 huginn` drojf: Karma for "vimal" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 18:17 drojf vimal-- 18:17 drojf i hope that is the right one 18:20 drojf i have a lot of bad mood to spare today if anyone needs some 18:22 cait ew 18:22 cait what happened? 18:22 * cait hands drojf gluten free beer cookies 18:23 drojf i don't know. broke my headphones again and the world is full of idiots and psychopaths 18:23 drojf that sounds like the best kind of cookies :D 18:24 jcamins I made gluten free cookies yesterday that came out okay. 18:24 drojf the falafel cookies? ;) 18:24 jcamins Hehe. 18:24 jcamins Yes. 18:24 jcamins They were a bit short on emulsifier. 18:25 jcamins I'm going to try and buy xanthan or guar gum today. 18:25 jcamins Otherwise I shall wing it. 18:25 jcamins Actually, that's not entirely true. 18:25 jcamins I'm winging it no matter what. 18:25 jcamins Otherwise I won't even have that tenuous connection to best practices. 18:28 jcamins What kind of cookies should I make for tomorrow? 18:29 drojf maybe i should make cookies too. it looks like it's going to be christmas soon 18:30 tcohen jcamins: should persmission to delete cover images be tied to CAN_user_tools_upload_local_cover_images permission? 18:30 drojf hm. no butter 18:31 jcamins tcohen: that makes sense to me. 18:31 jcamins drojf: avocado? 18:31 jcamins Sourcream? 18:32 jcamins Bacon fat? 18:33 drojf there might be lactose free sour cream i wanted to try. or i already did 18:33 drojf vanilla icecream ;) 18:34 jcamins Nah, that won't work so well. 18:34 jcamins It'll all melt. 18:38 drojf heh 18:39 jcamins Wait... you don't have butter but you need lactose-free sour cream? 18:40 drojf i don't understand the question :) 18:40 jcamins You said you were not baking cookies because you don't have butter. 18:41 jcamins You also said that you wanted to try the lactose-free sour cream, which implies that you should be avoiding lactose. 18:41 jcamins So I'm trying to figure out why you would use butter in cookies. 18:43 * oleonard wonders if some libraries pick the normal over the XSLT detail view in the OPAC so that they get the little author/subject pop-up menus 18:44 jcamins I really like those author/subject pop-up menus. 18:44 jcamins But since XSLT is otherwise so far superior, I do without. 18:44 oleonard Too hard to implement them in XSLT, or just not a priority? 18:44 jcamins Both. 18:45 jcamins It wouldn't be easy, and it's just not enough of a priority for me to consider working on it. 18:48 drojf [off] jcamins: lactose and i is a complicated thing. in general i use very little dairy products. but it turned out they work better for me after i stopped eating wheat/gluten. i think it's only in higher doses, like a sour cream based sauce for example. but sometimes there is no reaction at all. i don't think i have a problem with butter 18:49 oleonard jcamins: I wonder if it wouldn't make just as much sense to have that pop-up menu be a modal window? 18:50 oleonard jcamins: It's always the same items, right? Just with different checkboxes checked? 18:50 jcamins That is correct. 18:50 jcamins A modal makes sense to me. 18:51 oleonard I just hate working with a different implementation of a menu-style thingy when there are "built-in" options 18:54 oleonard Anyway... Something to tinker with after my Labor-free weekend 18:54 oleonard See ya #koha 18:54 tcohen api? 18:54 wahanui api is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later 18:54 tcohen svc api? 18:54 wahanui svc api is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API 18:54 tcohen sweet :-D 19:24 Dyrcona @later tell gmcharlt I see MARC::Charset 1.35 is on CPAN already. I didn't see it there two weeks ago when you messaged me about it. 19:24 huginn` Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. 19:33 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "jcamins:" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/190 19:34 jcamins Seems fine to me. 19:34 jcamins Bonus points if you add a unit test. :) 19:34 tcohen unit tests for a svc script? 19:35 cait tcohen: if you happen to mock a cgi object i would be interested in stealing that :) 19:35 jcamins tcohen: no, I meant for DelImage. 19:37 tcohen jcamins, can I take control of bug 7813? didn't notice it was assigned to you 19:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7813 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, NEW , Add ability to delete local cover images 19:37 cait take control :P 19:37 cait i like that 19:37 tcohen i plan to do svc script returning a JSON + ajax 19:37 jcamins Please do. 19:38 jcamins As I said on the bug, I'm not working on that. 19:38 tcohen does it sound bad in english? 19:38 cait not to me :) 19:38 jcamins It would be better to say "a svc script returning JSON + AJAX" 19:38 tcohen :-P 19:38 tcohen was talking about "taking control" 19:39 jcamins Oh. 19:39 jcamins Then yes. 19:39 tcohen it doesn't sound good? 19:40 jcamins No, that sounds fine. 19:40 jcamins The only thing that didn't was your placement of "a." :P 19:40 tcohen oh 19:41 tcohen glyphicon-remove overlay for removing? 19:41 jcamins And that was perfectly understandable, I just thought you were having trouble figuring out why the sentence sounded a little odd. ;) 19:42 tcohen oh, its too late! 19:42 tcohen leaving now, bye #koha, nice weekend! 19:43 cait bye tcohen :) 19:44 tcohen i've pushed to my github just iun case anyone wants to check it 22:42 mtompset @later tell drojf Actually, that was the wrong one, as far as I know. 22:42 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded. 22:44 mtompset Confusingly, there is VKV and VKM.