Time Nick Message 00:16 dcook \o trea 00:16 dcook Feeling better? (Not that we talk about you when you're not around...) 00:16 trea i'm congested, but i'm here 00:16 trea thx for asking 00:17 * dcook holds up his box of Kleenex and his water bottle 00:17 dcook I hear that 00:17 dcook and you're welcome :) 00:53 tcohen night #koha 00:53 dcook night tcohen 00:53 dcook hey campbell 01:51 dcook A person can't do matching on authority records, eh? 01:51 jcamins There's a patch for that. 01:52 dcook Sweeeeet 01:52 dcook (Eventually) 01:55 wizzyrea be jcamins 01:55 wahanui Have some fudge. 01:55 * wizzyrea nods 01:55 wizzyrea authority matching? 01:55 wizzyrea authority matching is <reply> There's a patch for that. 01:56 dcook authority matching? 01:56 wahanui There's a patch for that. 01:56 dcook hehe 01:56 dcook It would be rather handy 01:56 wizzyrea I don't recall the bug # 01:56 dcook I wonder what you would match on.. 01:56 wizzyrea I do recall that it needed some love 01:57 jcamins Bug 5202. 01:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Merge authority records 01:57 wizzyrea oh passed QA! when did that happen! 01:58 dcook Hmm 01:58 wizzyrea authority matching is also <reply> bug 5202 01:58 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 01:58 wizzyrea authority matching? 01:58 wahanui bug 5202 01:58 dcook Based on the comments, that wouldn't be very useful for bulk imports though 01:59 jcamins dcook: what are you trying to do? 01:59 dcook Ideally, import annual authority updates 01:59 dcook Mind you...now that I think about it... 01:59 jcamins If you are bulk importing multiple copies of a given authority record, you're doing it wrong. 01:59 * dcook ponders this a second 01:59 jcamins Oh, in that case, yeah, that's already there. 02:00 dcook I mean different authority types 02:00 jcamins Wait... 02:00 jcamins no, there's a patch for that. 02:00 dcook But maybe each authority file would just be one type... 02:00 * dcook would have his doubts though 02:00 jcamins Hmmm. 02:01 jcamins Why can't you do it? 02:01 dcook Well, at this point I'm on an old 3.8, so it's a moot point 02:01 dcook But I'm just pondering how it would work in newer versions 02:01 dcook Say I were downloading the new MeSH update 02:02 dcook That's some...1700-1800 new or modified authority records 02:02 jcamins I'd overlay them based on MeSH identifier. 02:02 jcamins 071, maybe? 02:02 dcook Oooh... 02:02 dcook It might help if I actually "look" at a MeSH record, eh? ;) 02:02 jcamins No, 060 02:03 jcamins No, not 060. 02:03 rangi 01892371 02:03 rangi im helping im helping 02:03 dcook lol 02:05 dcook Hmm, I don't see any identifier :/ 02:05 jcamins 035 looks like your best bet. 02:05 jcamins I thought they had another one, but maybe not. 02:06 jcamins Or they don't use it. 02:08 dcook I think they might just use it for bib records 02:08 dcook Or the MARC authority frameworks are stripping it out perhaps 02:08 jcamins I have a problem. 02:09 jcamins I can't find the menu in Windows 8. 02:09 jcamins The problem is using Windows, of course. 02:09 dcook I don't know if there is a menu 02:10 wizzyrea windows 8. I'm so sorry. 02:10 dcook I've only used Windows 8 twice though 02:10 dcook Ahhh! 02:10 dcook I found some personal name auth records that have a 035! 02:12 jcamins So, I have a puzzle for you. 02:12 jcamins I found a Java program I want to run. 02:13 jcamins I use a Mac. Or Linux. Or FreeBSD. 02:13 jcamins Java is platform-independent. 02:13 jcamins So why do I need to find a Windows computer to run the Java program? 02:13 rangi embrace and extend 02:14 rangi couple with oracle 02:14 jcamins But... wtf? Why don't you just use a non-awful application development language if you're going to write something Windows-only? 02:14 rangi people are mental 02:16 jcamins This proves how motivated I am to try this software. 02:16 * jcamins is now in Windows 7. 02:17 jcamins Okay. 02:17 jcamins Got it to run. 02:17 jcamins "THIS IS A SECURITY RISK" -- no kidding. It's Windows. 02:18 wizzyrea @quote add jcamins: "THIS IS A SECURITY RISK" -- no kidding. It's Windows. 02:18 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #272 added. 02:18 jcamins I am so glad that I downloaded a web browser, Java, *and* the software just to be told what version of Java I had running. 02:19 jcamins Before I installed Java I didn't have any version of Java running. 02:19 jcamins And knowing that I was just as well off as I am now. 02:19 rangi heh 02:22 jcamins Ummmm... 02:22 jcamins I am looking at a citation analysis tool. 02:23 jcamins It offers WoS and PubMed citation analysis. 02:23 jcamins I tried the WoS one. It was cool. 02:23 jcamins So I tried the PubMed one. 02:23 jcamins And after downloading the file it informs me that PubMed doesn't include citations so it won't be analyzing them. 02:27 wizzyrea ...helpful. 02:30 dcook :S 02:30 jcamins Super-helpful. 02:34 * jcamins just found something we should add to Koha: http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/ 02:35 wizzyrea oh my gracious. 02:36 * wizzyrea is still blinking 02:36 dcook O_O 02:36 jcamins Possibly just rolling. 02:37 jcamins We hope. 02:37 jcamins Hey, I know! I think I'll run twelve updates to Windows now. 02:37 dcook Oh God...it just gets worse the more I scroll... 02:38 wizzyrea < is aghast 02:38 dcook That has to be fake.. 02:38 wizzyrea .... 02:40 wizzyrea it gets quite a bit funnier towards the middle 02:40 wizzyrea like actually funny 02:42 dcook hehe, there are some rather entertaining bits 02:43 dcook I'm rather amazed that so many people posted 02:44 dcook ...and that I'm still reading this 03:13 * mtompset wakes up from stasis. WHAT?! That is ultra-mega-stupid security-wise. 03:30 mtompset Good thing someone told me to assume jcamins' comments are frequently surrounded by sarcasm tags. ;) 03:31 mtompset Well, have a great day, #koha. 03:57 wizzyrea campbell++ for tackling hard things! 04:57 dcook campbell++ 05:06 dcook hey cait 05:07 cait morning dcook 05:10 dcook how's the morning? 05:18 dcook jcamins++ 05:19 dcook gmcharlt++ 05:19 dcook Authority linking stuff... 05:25 cait :) 05:25 dcook Hmm 05:26 dcook I keep thinking there are two preferences for hiding things in the OPAC... 05:26 dcook OpacSuppresion and another one.. 05:26 rangi hiddenitems 05:26 dcook Yes, that's it 05:26 dcook Thanks, rangi :) 05:26 dcook I should've searched "hid" instead of "hide" 05:28 dcook Oh, that "OpacSuppression" doesn't look too bad 05:28 * dcook wonders if we handle "deleted" records at all 05:29 dcook Leader position 05 "d" 05:31 dcook Hmm, doesn't look like it 05:33 dcook Can't say I've ever had anyone ask for that though. 05:37 cait dcook: no we don't right now 05:49 dcook IE is such a weird browser... 06:15 * magnuse waves 06:16 magnuse there was a patch with a script related to to leader/05=d... 06:17 magnuse i think? 06:18 magnuse dcook: bug 10421 06:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Add cron script to delete deleted records 06:22 magnuse rangi: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohawork/commit/32d1c60c293546a63548003477acb8f3df8e2cab :-) 06:22 rangi sweet 06:24 * dcook perks up 06:24 dcook I think these painkillers need more alcohol.. 06:24 magnuse ?!? 06:25 magnuse awww... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Program 06:25 dcook Well, they haven't had any alcohol yet :p 06:27 dcook Why the aww, magnuse? 06:34 magnuse because i want to go there... 06:41 magnuse bonjour sophie_m et reiveune 06:41 reiveune hello magnuse dcook everyone 06:41 dcook magnuse: Go where? 06:41 dcook hey ya reiveune :) 06:42 magnuse dcook: to kohacon2013 in reno 06:43 dcook You're not going currently? :( 06:44 dcook Oh...I wish there was item matching as well during imports.. 06:44 dcook Hmm, maybe it doesn't matter... 06:44 dcook The imports that is 06:44 dcook It would be great to see you at a kohacon, magnuse :) 06:45 dcook 15 minutes to break a busted table-based layout. Can I do it? I don't know... 06:46 dcook ^^ Comes from a thing where my grammar teacher used to say "You have 15 minutes to finish 30 questions. Can you do it? YES!" 06:46 dcook She was very optimistic...:p 06:46 dcook s/optimistic/authoritarian/ 06:47 magnuse dcook: yeah, there are lots of people i want to meet, you included. are you going to reno? 06:48 dcook Yep. I'm presenting on Dspace + Koha on the Thursday afternoon 06:48 dcook Hopefully I'll have a decent prototype of this OAI-PMH harvester ready by then so I can talk about it ;) 06:48 drojf mrng 06:48 dcook Guten Morgen, drojf 06:49 drojf hi dcook 06:53 magnuse dcook: ah, so you don't see the harvesting in 3.14? 06:53 * dcook tries to remember when the feature freeze is 06:53 dcook feature freeze? 06:53 wahanui feature freeze is 3 October 2013 06:53 dcook Mmm 06:53 dcook That could happen 06:54 dcook Actually, probably not 06:54 dcook I did the z39.50 authority search a while ago and that was a much more straightforward feature 06:55 * dcook is unsure whether to post his current work and get feedback, or to wait until he's got it the way he wants it THEN get feedback 06:55 magnuse release early, release often? 06:55 magnuse better to get feedback before things are too settled? 06:56 dcook Hmm, that's true 06:56 dcook It is getting to the point where there are options and I'm sure of the best route 06:56 dcook And places where I could use a second pair of eyes just to catch mistakes/improve the code quality 06:57 magnuse sounds like yo are ready for feedback to me :-) 06:57 dcook Well, maybe tomorrow I'll have to post my current work 06:57 magnuse yay 06:58 dcook The documentation needs a bit of work but I've tried to comment the crap out of it 06:58 magnuse hehe, nice 06:58 dcook And lots of POD for the class 06:58 magnuse yay! 06:58 magnuse tests? 06:58 wahanui tests is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests 06:58 dcook Ah, that's something I'm wanting to add soonish as well 06:59 dcook At the moment, I've got one PM, one PL (which is the start of a cronjob), and...two XSLTs 06:59 dcook One for transforming DC to MARC21 (which needs a fair bit of work) 06:59 dcook And one for adding a few fields to incoming MARC21 records 07:00 drojf nice 07:00 drojf dcook++ 07:00 magnuse yeah dcook++ 07:00 dcook Thanks :) 07:01 magnuse someone on facebook just suggested a dro who skin/theme for koha. wizzyrea? rangi? 07:01 dcook :D 07:04 rangi need someoone with design schools, and that aint me 07:06 magnuse rangi: :-) 07:06 rangi skills even 07:06 magnuse hehe 07:22 kf hi all :) 07:25 dcook O_O 07:25 dcook hey kf 07:25 dcook And hey eythian?! 07:25 wahanui go back to bed, eythian 07:25 kf hi dcook :) 07:25 magnuse hiya trendynick kf and eythian 07:25 eythian hi 07:25 kf good morning magnuse :) 07:26 dcook eythian: Back from vacation? 07:26 eythian no, just at my laptop for the first time in a few weeks 07:26 kf you remembered the password 07:26 kf ? 07:26 kf impressive :) 07:26 dcook Mmm, well, your absence has been noted! 07:27 dcook #koha doesn't seem the same without you 07:27 eythian kf: muscle memory :) 07:27 eythian dcook: it sounds terrible! 07:27 kf pf. 07:28 dcook There's been a serious lack of pithy links 07:28 dcook Hope the vacation has been/continues to be good 07:28 dcook night all 07:28 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:29 magnuse heh, wahanui is the only one quick enough to say goodnight to dcook 07:30 eythian it takes a robot... 07:31 eythian oh goody, over 1000 unread emails 07:31 magnuse lol 07:31 * magnuse finally gets around to realising http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template:DevBook - far from perfect, but hey: release early, release often... 07:32 magnuse if anyone can think of other pages that (new) devs should be aware of, please add them or give me a hint 07:32 rangi hmm i did one 07:33 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 07:34 magnuse goody! added 07:35 kf magnuse++ 07:36 magnuse OMGWTFBBQ? lol! 07:38 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8997891/Secret-city-rewriting-NZ-history <-- oh cool 07:41 magnuse in norway we have a saying along the lines of "things are never so bad that something good can't come from it"... 07:41 kf :) 07:42 magnuse or "never so bad that it's not good for something" 07:45 kf that's optimistic, i like it 07:45 magnuse it's very optimistic :-) 07:45 eythian clouds, silver linings, that sort of thing :) 07:48 magnuse ah yes, that would be the english equivalent - i knew there had to be one :-) 07:49 magnuse kia ora paul_p 07:49 paul_p hello #koha 07:50 eythian also "it's an ill wind that blows no minds" ... no wait ... "it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good" 07:50 kf hi paul_p 07:50 eythian hello paul_p 07:50 magnuse eythian: hadn't heard that one - nice! 07:51 eythian or in its original form, apparently: "An yll wynde that blowth no man to good, men say." 07:51 magnuse aye, 'tis that! 07:55 kf meeting - bbiab 07:59 paul_p hey eythian, seems you're close to France atm ? 07:59 paul_p eythian / rangi = NZ is really a wise country... http://www.zdnet.com/new-zealand-bans-software-patents-7000019955/ 08:02 eythian paul_p: in the netherlands at the moment, but back home tomorrow. Didn't make it to france this trip. 08:02 paul_p eythian safe travelling back home then ! 08:03 eythian ta :) 08:04 eythian and yeah, the patents thing was a long time in the coming 08:07 magnuse the comments seemed a bit obering, though? 08:08 magnuse s/obering/sobering/ 08:13 eythian don't read the comments. 08:13 eythian that's a blanket policy for almost all sites. 08:40 magnuse :-) 08:45 kf back 10:31 longrider lost Status not found in Item add 10:32 longrider please help me in this regard 12:44 elemark hallo 12:44 nengard morning #koha long time no see 12:45 elemark how should I pack a marc file for the import so that it includes item info, too? 12:49 eythian put the item info into 952, one 952 per item 12:52 tcohen hi eythian 12:52 eythian hi tcohen 12:52 nengard the info on the 952 can be found in the manual :) http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/catguides.html#itemcatguide 12:53 tcohen eythian: i should just add /etc/bash-completion/koha-common then? 12:53 eythian yeah 12:53 tcohen great 12:53 tcohen another question 12:53 wahanui another question is how useful it is to have "save as rdf" option... 12:53 magnuse elemark: see also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 12:53 eythian that way, if someone installs the bash-completion package later, it'll magically work. And if not, it won't do anything. 12:54 magnuse wahanui: forget another question 12:54 wahanui magnuse: I forgot another question 12:54 tcohen when is debian/rules used? after 'make install'? 12:54 eythian I liked that question :/ 12:54 elemark thanks a lot 12:54 eythian tcohen: erm 12:54 elemark I'm having a look at those links 12:55 eythian it runs make install 12:55 eythian but it does it using magic 12:56 tcohen i'm tracking the fact that my patch didn't fix the history.txt problem in packages 12:57 tcohen override_dh_auto_install does a rm -rf on the docs dir 12:57 tcohen should i install $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/doc/history.txt somewhere just before that? 12:58 eythian that seems reasonable I think 12:59 eythian it rm's it presumably because you can't leave stuff lying around, or the package build process will complain. 13:01 elemark ok, maybe it's not so easy as I thought 13:05 tcohen ok, will build and check the result :-D 13:06 elemark thanks, tcohen, I believe that building will be a great work 13:06 eythian elemark: oh hey, where in Italy are you? 13:06 elemark turin 13:07 eythian ah cool. I was touristing in Rome and Florince about a week ago. 13:08 elemark the fact is that I've not been told to do such attempt, so I don't believe my boss would be happy to know i dedicate days of work to this :( 13:09 elemark @eythian wow! did you have a good trip? 13:09 huginn` elemark: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 13:09 eythian yeah, it was good. Saw things I'd only ever seen in pictures before, ate a lot of gelato, that sort of thing :) 13:09 elemark huginn`: sorry, what's RDA? 13:09 huginn` elemark: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 13:10 eythian huginn` is a bot, and starting a line with '@' is how you make him do stuff. 13:10 huginn` eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 13:10 eythian or starting with its name... 13:11 elemark eythian: :) thanks, I'm not using IRC since 10 years or more 13:12 elemark though I can see no '@' in front of any name 13:13 elemark maybe it's empathy 13:13 eythian no, you put an @ in front of my name. 13:14 elemark aaaah, sorry 13:14 elemark right, I understand (late but I do) 13:31 tcohen eythian: debian/koha-common.bash-completion ;-) 13:33 paul_p kf = flight booked. Landing at RNO, on 13th, at 19:26 13:38 tcohen hi paul_p 13:41 paul_p hi tcohen. Good morning 14:27 kf someone from bywater around? :) 14:27 kf khall, nengard 14:27 kf ? 14:28 nengard i'm here 14:28 nengard what's up? 14:28 khall yo 14:28 kf bug 10801 looks like a support request for you :) 14:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ERROR: Barcode must be unique 14:29 khall that name doesn't ring a bell, how about for you nengard? 14:29 kf [off] googled the library name and ended here: http://catalog.iwhs.bywatersolutions.com/ 14:30 nengard khall she's new 14:30 kf just thought you might be able to help out better than i can here 14:30 khall lol, thanks kf! 14:30 rambutan @seen rangi 14:30 huginn` rambutan: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 14:31 kf rambutan: still night in nz :) 14:31 rambutan no excuse! 14:31 khall it seems as though wizzyrea has been trying to reach me. Stupid time zones! 14:31 rambutan :) 14:31 kf khall: i think it might have been about the bug she was testing, i saw that she left comments there 14:31 kf khall: patron... lists? 14:32 khall ahh, thanks again kf! 14:32 kf only a guess :) 14:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:54 rambutan morning mtompset 14:54 mtompset Greetings, rambutan. 14:55 oleonard Hi #koha 14:55 * oleonard finally drags in after a morning meeting 14:56 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. 14:56 mtompset I have a meeting shortly myself. :) 14:58 * chris_n 's Firefox has an Internet Explorer moment 14:58 tcohen hi oleonard mtompset 14:58 mtompset Sounds like you are using the IETab plug in. ;) 14:59 mtompset Greetings, chris_n and tcohen. :) 14:59 chris_n heh 14:59 chris_n heya mtompset 14:59 wahanui somebody said mtompset was disliking finding bugs while testing. 15:00 mtompset There much less likely to trigger a "WHAT?!" kind of moment that before. :) 15:00 * tcohen realizes we need lots of cleanup in debian/* 15:01 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 15:01 mtompset tcohen: There's lots of clean up everywhere! :) I'm working on a INSTALL.ubuntu re-write. 15:02 tcohen please don't replace it with packages instructions 15:03 tcohen :-D 15:03 mtompset I'm not. 15:04 mtompset I'm trying for a source based install with occasional: IF YOU ARE DOING A DEV INSTALLATION, IF YOU ARE DOING A STANDARD INSTALLATION. 15:05 mtompset I'm also leaving out all the sample output and answers for some of the commands. 15:06 mtompset I'm nearly finished the re-write, but I need to test it out, so that it is simple enough for a unfamiliar with Koha, but kind of familiar with Linux person should be able to do it. 15:06 tcohen please let me test it too when you're done 15:07 mtompset I'll be putting it up as a patch. 15:07 mtompset You can have the pleasure of signing off when it is done. ;) 15:08 mtompset I was wondering if I should even leaving everyone's names in the credits section. 15:08 mtompset leave (not leaving) 15:09 mtompset I'm not sure anyone is going to recognize their part at all, by the time I'm done. :) 15:18 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I need some jquery help please" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/189 15:19 * oleonard finds that if he uses custom XSL for OPAC results (at a remote URL) that OPACItemsResultsDisplay stops working... 15:19 nengard hmmm 15:19 nengard how so? 15:19 nengard we're not having that problem 15:19 oleonard I have OPACItemsResultsDisplay set to show library, location, and call number 15:20 nengard oh wait 15:20 nengard wrong pref 15:20 nengard sorry ... am tired 15:20 oleonard If I point our OPACXSLTResultsDisplay to a customized XSL file we stop seeing call number info in OPAC search results 15:20 nengard does that pref work with xslt at all? 15:20 oleonard Yes 15:21 oleonard I can't reproduce the problem in master, but I see it on our live system 15:21 * oleonard should test in 3.10.x 15:26 jcamins oleonard: are you sure your customized XSLT includes that syspref? 15:27 oleonard All I did was add some RDA tag display to a stock XSL file 15:27 jcamins Odd. 15:27 jcamins Out of curiosity, which tags? 15:29 oleonard 264 15:29 jcamins Ah. 15:30 jcamins Makes sense. 15:48 reiveune bye 15:53 nengard jcamins i need help with your jquyer 15:53 nengard jquery 15:53 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_a_bookplate_when_cover_images_are_not_found 15:53 nengard look at result 3 & 4: http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=library 15:54 nengard and 5 for that matter ... 15:55 jcamins Huh. I find myself wondering about that jQuery. 15:55 jcamins A) I could've sworn I got it off the wiki from you. 15:55 jcamins B) I could've sworn it was longer. 15:56 jcamins Actually, never mind. That's a workaround for something else entirely. 15:57 jcamins Just use Marlboro's CSS. 15:57 jcamins Oh, that is Marlboro's catalog, isn't it? 16:00 nengard yup 16:00 nengard they wanted to use a bookplate instead of the no image found 16:00 nengard so ... other ideas? :) 16:00 jcamins There's a CSS-only solution. 16:01 nengard oh 16:01 jcamins Unfortunately, the place I remember seeing it was in Marlboro's opacusercss. 16:01 nengard crap 16:02 nengard removed the jquery 16:16 mtompset backups are your friend. :) 16:16 oleonard A lesson from your day mtompset? 16:19 mtompset once or twice. :) 16:19 mtompset thankfully not today. 16:22 * cait waves 16:22 magnuse revision history for sysprefs? 16:22 * magnuse waves to cait 16:25 cait :) 16:28 druthb hi, cait! :D 16:28 druthb wahanui: cait? 16:28 wahanui cait: go to bed 16:28 druthb lol 16:28 cait hi druthb :) 16:28 cait lol not yet 16:28 cait i don't have pixies doing the laundry for me 16:28 cait or the dishes 16:29 oleonard Dish pixies. 16:29 oleonard I just like saying that. Dish pixies. 16:29 cait and laundry pixies heh 16:30 cait yeah, dish pixies are a fabulous idea 16:35 druthb hmpf. 16:35 * druthb has *pixie* as an alert word in her client. 16:36 jcamins Pixie? 16:36 * druthb perks 16:37 oleonard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf20Effo6ds 16:50 rambutan [off]Poor Richard 16:50 rambutan [off]and not the Almanac 16:52 oleonard Seriously, "liblivecd?" 16:53 oleonard Oh, I thought that was something it's not. 16:53 oleonard Looks like it's a crapshoot what version you get if you dowload that, depending on where you go. 17:21 cait pixie? 17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #13 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #13: SUCCESS in 2 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/13/ 17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer 17:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #44 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #59: SUCCESS in 8.6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/59/ 17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer 17:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #44: SUCCESS in 8.4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/44/ 17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer 17:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #363 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #363: SUCCESS in 9.2 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/363/ 17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer 17:31 magnuse druthb: you might want to check out http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=20662 17:32 magnuse (dunno why i have not thought about that before...) 17:42 * tcohen grumbles ("why deb building scripts are so tricky?...") 17:42 cait dunno :) 17:42 * cait hands tcohen a cookie 17:42 tcohen thx cait 17:44 tcohen dh_compress --exclude=history.txt 17:45 * cait is in a good mood because the cold seems to give in finally :) 18:12 tcohen bug 10802 18:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10802 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , history.txt missing in packages 18:13 magnuse sweet as 18:15 phasefx_ if you change a perl module in C4, do you need an apache restart, or does a reload suffice? 18:16 tcohen no restart/reload required 18:16 phasefx_ cool deal, thanks! 18:18 magnuse as long as you are not using plack (but then you would probably not be using apache...) 18:19 tcohen heh, exactly 18:21 tcohen magnuse, could you tell me how does the patch look for you? 18:22 tcohen roughly 18:23 magnuse tcohen: it looks like deep, deep magic ;-) 18:24 magnuse i have no idea what is going on there. i could test it, but alas i have no time for it in the next 2 weeks 18:24 tcohen np magnuse 18:34 oleonard [off] Staff member wants me to add new functionality to our intranet? Compose a message with the subject line "Button" because he wants a button to click on when he want the new functionality. 18:35 oleonard [off] Not, "I want to be able to do X," but "I want a button I can click on to do X" 18:36 phasefx_ I have a site running 3.04.08.001, and I believe a recent backported security patch broke access to the Serials interface. I get Template process failed: file error - datatables-strings.inc: not found at blah/C4/Templates.pm line 126. I know this was fixed for another site running the same version, but the few differences I saw in C4/ don't seem to make a difference. Any suggestions for where 18:36 phasefx_ I should look? 18:38 cait have you checked the inc file is there? 18:38 cait it will be in the template folders 18:38 cait that's unlikely to be a C4 problem - more a template problem 18:38 phasefx_ I'm not sure that this version of koha even uses that file 18:38 oleonard intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/datatables.inc 18:38 * phasefx_ looks 18:39 cait oleonard++ 18:39 cait and what security fix did you backport? 18:39 oleonard intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/datatables-strings.inc, that is. 18:39 phasefx_ that I don't know; I'm usually immersed in Evergreen, but I can dig for it 18:39 cait if it was the one for opacsearchhistory that looks unrelated 18:39 cait i can't remember on ein serials. hm. 18:41 oleonard I don't see that file listed in 3.4.x. I don't think 3.4.x used DataTables at all. 18:41 * cait agrees with oleonard 18:41 cait i think 3.6 had some first datatables 18:42 phasefx_ that was my impression rooting around in the file system; there's a Utils.pm instead of a Utils/ 18:43 phasefx_ the working site doesn't have datatables-strings.inc 18:46 oleonard I can't understand why a security patch would change a template in that way. 18:47 phasefx_ it was http://koha-community.org/security-release-july-2013/ 18:49 cait hm 18:49 cait did you just pick the top three commits from there? 18:49 cait or did you update the version? 18:49 oleonard Those commits don't touch any serials templates 18:49 tcohen magnuse: i'm resuming my work on bash-completion 18:50 tcohen do u think i should consider the koha-list patch for --sip --nosip ? 18:51 magnuse tcohen: not sure what you mean? 18:52 magnuse take those options into account, so if you do --sip you only autocomplete one the ones that have sip enabled? 18:52 tcohen ;-) 18:52 magnuse s/one /on / 18:52 oleonard I'm officially declaring Bug 10309 "needs signoff" 18:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 18:52 tcohen right now i have: 18:53 magnuse woohoo oleonard++ 18:53 tcohen - substract already passed instance names 18:53 tcohen - conditional switches fr a few scripts handled correctly 18:53 magnuse tcohen: if i understand you right it sounds like a possible future enh to me :-) 18:54 tcohen i just need to push some of this work so it gets peer reviewed before starting the most difficult scripts' completions 18:55 cait oleonard: woohoo :) 18:55 cait oleonard++ 18:55 oleonard I'm sure there's stuff I haven't caught, but I don't think I'll get any serious testing without asking for a signoff 18:56 * oleonard will consider borrowing magnuse's GBSD whip if necessary 18:56 * magnuse hands it to oleonard, just in case 18:56 oleonard Time to leave though. I'll save the whippings for later. 18:56 oleonard See ya #koha 18:57 tcohen oleonard++ 18:57 magnuse tcohen: submitting some of it sounds like a good idea, to not make the patch too big and complex 18:57 phasefx_ oleonard: cait: I need to work on my reading comprehension I think; ticket mentions the security fix, but also additional issues with that specific branch they're using. Sorry for the goosechase 18:57 cait phasefx_that's ok - well then it's another commit 18:58 cait could you check the last change made to the template file? 18:58 cait i think you are going wrong looking in the perl and C4 files - datatables is javascript and templates 18:58 cait so you want to look in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials or something like that 18:58 phasefx_ cait: 2bace14e5c06d909fc65ad17c031b4d7e4b3acb6 18:59 phasefx_ well, that's for Template.pm 18:59 cait yah 18:59 cait i don't think your problem is there 18:59 cait look at the template for the page you are trying to view 18:59 cait that causes the problem 19:00 phasefx_ it's all clear now 19:01 phasefx_ need to revert 3fe0c347c2a90dc65837a4653c24f40de9e7ce3d 19:02 phasefx_ cait++ oleonard++ 19:02 cait yv - hope it works 19:03 phasefx_ I had part of it, but was missing the changes to serials-home.tt 19:03 cait yeah, that one looks really suspicious .) 19:11 phasefx_ that did the trick 19:12 cait cool :) 19:14 magnuse have fun, #koha! 19:14 tcohen wait! 19:16 * cait wiats 19:16 tcohen bye cait 19:16 tcohen :-D 19:17 phasefx_ fun now? :) 19:17 cait ? 19:17 * cait is stlil here 19:17 tcohen please 19:17 cait tcohen: you want me to leave? 19:18 tcohen i'm done, you're free 19:18 tcohen :-P 19:19 cait *confused* 19:20 * tcohen *too* 19:20 tcohen bye #koha 19:22 phasefx_ I think they just wanted to leave before magnuse? :) 19:26 * cait i still here 19:26 * cait will be for some time :) 19:47 jcamins phasefx_: you've been encouraged to upgrade to a modern version, right? 19:49 phasefx_ jcamins: I think we encourage but don't force, for the most part 19:50 jcamins Oh, you're with ESI. 19:50 * jcamins had forgotten. 19:50 phasefx_ yeap, and when gmcharlt is away, I get to play... :) 19:51 Dyrcona Do you all typically sign your git commits with -s ? 19:52 cait I know gmcharlt does it, but most people don't sign their own patches currently 19:52 Dyrcona cait thanks. 19:52 cait the testers do 19:52 cait and qa and RM 19:52 Dyrcona I see. 19:52 Dyrcona Makes sense. 19:52 jcamins Also when rebasing, often. 19:52 cait ah yes, for putting in a note it's used as well 19:53 Dyrcona In Evergreen-land, we do things a bit differently but that's cool. 19:53 Dyrcona I'm looking at some commits to a joint project done by rangi, so I thought I'd ask what your usual procedure is. 19:53 jcamins It certainly wouldn't cause any problems to self-sign. 19:53 Dyrcona I'll just sign them after I test and then push to master. 19:54 cait as I said - gmcharlt does it in koha land too :) 19:54 Dyrcona We have some commits with up to four signatures. 19:54 cait we are not opposed to it 19:54 cait that we have too :) - but those are testers then 19:54 cait most of the time 19:54 Dyrcona Typically, the one who wrote the code signs, the one tests it, and the committer. 19:55 cait yeah, we have the same then - because one more for the qa team, one less for the code write 19:55 cait r 19:55 jcamins cait: I think we've probably reached dozens of signatures on a single commit. 19:55 jcamins Mostly my fault. 19:55 cait hehe 19:55 Dyrcona Thanks for the little discussion. It has helped me decide how to proceed. 19:56 cait Dyrcona: i suspect rangi would have no problem with signing his patches 19:56 Dyrcona gmcharlt just signs everything.. ;) 19:56 jcamins Write patch, submit. Rebase. Sign off. Rebase again. Sign off again. Get sign off. Rebase. Sign off. Rebase. Sign off. Get QA feedback. Write follow-up. Sign off. Get additional sign off... etc. 19:56 Dyrcona cait: likely, but it is ok with me if he doesn't. 19:56 * cait suggest just talking to him :) 19:57 jcamins They self-sign on other projects at Catalyst. 19:57 rangi yep, i can self sign 19:57 Dyrcona wasn't sure what time it was for you. ;) 19:57 * rangi will do it from now 19:57 rangi 7.57 19:57 Dyrcona OK. cool. 19:57 jcamins Breakfast time, I think. 19:57 rangi taking kids to school soon and then work 19:57 jcamins Tomorrow. 19:57 wahanui i heard tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today. 19:58 Dyrcona let me know when it is beer o'clock, and I'll join you. :) 19:58 wahanui That would be factoid 31337 given on #koha by Dyrcona. 19:58 wahanui woohoo! 19:59 jcamins Hehe. 19:59 rangi 4in 8 hours 19:59 rangi hmm in 8 hours even, at 4pm 20:00 rangi i did a few more commits 20:00 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=NCIPServer.git;a=commitdiff;h=b37dbb7e29b5b0b443b5d1c23dcfbdbcfac1f4d3 20:00 rangi nothing much substantial yet 20:00 rangi altho this is kinda cool 20:01 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=NCIPServer.git;a=commitdiff;h=de95740ee2fcc308f09324b5dbb6e9b78650f236 20:01 Dyrcona Yeah, I picked those up, 'cause I just pulled. 20:01 cait ooh ncip 20:01 rangi sweet 20:01 Dyrcona sweet as 20:01 Dyrcona ;) 20:01 Dyrcona btw, that's what I called your remote, "sweetas." 20:01 rangi so it starts up a server listening on localhost 6001 (or whatever the config says) all it does is echo what you type back, but its a nice way to test 20:02 rangi hehe 20:02 rangi cool 20:02 Dyrcona yeah, 20:02 Dyrcona I think someone in Minnesota has put up a skeletal mod-perl, but I have to look at the branch, first. 20:03 rangi sweet 20:03 rangi ill probably do a dancer implemenation too 20:03 rangi cos all the heavy lifting is done int he modules 20:04 rangi that would give us raw tcp, mod_perl, or psgi to choose from 20:04 Dyrcona very nice. 20:08 cait rangi++ Dyrcona++ :) 20:18 Dyrcona rangi++ 20:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:25 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.7°C (10:25 PM CEST on August 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 20:43 rambutan @wunder 64507 20:43 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 36.5°C (3:42 PM CDT on August 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from noon to 7 PM CDT Friday... 20:43 cait hm what do people think about 10796 20:43 cait bug 10796 20:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow OpacPasswordChange to be set by category type 20:43 cait i am pondering what to do about the system preference, when you can make that setting in the patron category 20:45 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:45 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on August 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 20:45 rangi Dropped the kids off, dropped my car off, now waiting for a bus 20:48 cait where did you leave the car? 20:48 cait car school? :) 20:48 cait bad joke, i know 20:48 rangi Hehe the house 20:49 rangi I don't like to have it if I'm going to have a beer 20:49 cait :) 20:50 cait very clever 20:58 rangi I noticed, if you install the eventbase app and search for Koha the kohacon programme is there 21:05 magnuse cait: maybe keep the syspref, so you can set a baseline with that, and if you don't want any categories to deviate from that setting you don't have to set each category 21:07 mtompset rangi++ # responsible drinking habits. 21:10 magnuse have fun, #koha! 21:10 cait magnuse: i think it might be confusing - because you don't see the syspref setting on the page... 21:11 cait hm 21:11 magnuse cait: that could be fixed :-) 21:11 cait yah 21:12 cait but we don't do that in other places 21:12 cait i am trying to see a common pattern 21:12 cait well find one 21:12 cait maybe a third setting for OpacChangePassword 21:12 cait Use category 21:12 cait then make the option show up on the patron category form only when it#s set to that 21:12 cait still seems overly complicated 21:14 wizzyrea you could just put it in the category, and have it off by default (if that's what the syspref value is currently) 21:14 wizzyrea and just not have an option of global off or global on 21:15 wizzyrea just make it something that people have to set, like overdue notices 21:15 wizzyrea per category 21:16 wizzyrea so get rid of the syspref, enforce usage per category. 21:16 cait on by default i think 21:16 cait allowing login 21:16 wizzyrea well whatever the default is now (least surprise and all) 21:16 cait i tend to do that yes 21:16 cait i think it would be least confusing 21:16 cait and of course copy the current value to existing patron categories 21:17 wizzyrea right 21:17 cait it seems most logical to me i think 21:17 wizzyrea besides, I can think of at least one person who would be for eliminating sysprefs ;) 21:17 cait but i better get this right :) 21:17 cait heh 21:17 cait maybe ha can test or qa then ;) 21:22 cait wizzyrea: thx for giving your opinion 21:23 wizzyrea ah yep, at least this time it's not a controversial one ^.^ 21:25 cait those are very welcome too :) 21:31 rangi back 21:36 wizzyrea haha cait you said the same thing I said 21:36 cait hm? 21:37 wizzyrea on the mailing list about the overdue notices 21:37 cait ah right 21:37 cait i sitl think it's the cause 21:37 wizzyrea me too 21:37 wizzyrea I have actually been caught by that exact thing 21:37 cait i really filed that bug :) 22:05 mtompset Well, this is the day that my schedule is totally out of whack. Have a great 24 hour period (or more), #koha. 22:05 * mtompset waves bye to wizzyrea and cait. :) 22:06 wizzyrea later 22:13 wizzyrea yay someone wants to know about the livecd. *sighs* 22:13 rangi i think that guy is in wellington 22:13 rangi learning 22:13 wahanui i think learning is a life long process and it never stops. I just wish it slowed down sometimes. :) 22:13 rangi we should reply and say, pop in to catalyst with your laptop 22:13 rangi and we can show you a less stupid way to install 22:14 wizzyrea :D we can do that? 22:14 rangi sure we can, just do it on a lunch break 22:14 wizzyrea neat! 22:14 rangi lemme just check if it is the person im thinking of 22:15 rangi My name is Richard. Im an IT student from the island of Tonga currently 22:15 rangi studying in NZ, 22:15 rangi yep it is 22:15 wizzyrea cooool 22:15 rangi in nz at least 22:16 ibeardslee probably even scope for 'community goodwill support' in timesheeting? 22:16 rangi so maybe say, if you are in wellington, pop in at lunch time blah blah 22:16 ibeardslee .. oh, this isn't catalyst irc .. 22:16 rangi heh 22:16 wizzyrea hah 22:17 rangi re Dyrcona