Time  Nick         Message
00:16 dcook        \o trea
00:16 dcook        Feeling better? (Not that we talk about you when you're not around...)
00:16 trea         i'm congested, but i'm here
00:16 trea         thx for asking
00:17 * dcook      holds up his box of Kleenex and his water bottle
00:17 dcook        I hear that
00:17 dcook        and you're welcome :)
00:53 tcohen       night #koha
00:53 dcook        night tcohen
00:53 dcook        hey campbell
01:51 dcook        A person can't do matching on authority records, eh?
01:51 jcamins      There's a patch for that.
01:52 dcook        Sweeeeet
01:52 dcook        (Eventually)
01:55 wizzyrea     be jcamins
01:55 wahanui      Have some fudge.
01:55 * wizzyrea   nods
01:55 wizzyrea     authority matching?
01:55 wizzyrea     authority matching is <reply> There's a patch for that.
01:56 dcook        authority matching?
01:56 wahanui      There's a patch for that.
01:56 dcook        hehe
01:56 dcook        It would be rather handy
01:56 wizzyrea     I don't recall the bug #
01:56 dcook        I wonder what you would match on..
01:56 wizzyrea     I do recall that it needed some love
01:57 jcamins      Bug 5202.
01:57 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Merge authority records
01:57 wizzyrea     oh passed QA! when did that happen!
01:58 dcook        Hmm
01:58 wizzyrea     authority matching is also <reply> bug 5202
01:58 wahanui      okay, wizzyrea.
01:58 wizzyrea     authority matching?
01:58 wahanui      bug 5202
01:58 dcook        Based on the comments, that wouldn't be very useful for bulk imports though
01:59 jcamins      dcook: what are you trying to do?
01:59 dcook        Ideally, import annual authority updates
01:59 dcook        Mind you...now that I think about it...
01:59 jcamins      If you are bulk importing multiple copies of a given authority record, you're doing it wrong.
01:59 * dcook      ponders this a second
01:59 jcamins      Oh, in that case, yeah, that's already there.
02:00 dcook        I mean different authority types
02:00 jcamins      Wait...
02:00 jcamins      no, there's a patch for that.
02:00 dcook        But maybe each authority file would just be one type...
02:00 * dcook      would have his doubts though
02:00 jcamins      Hmmm.
02:01 jcamins      Why can't you do it?
02:01 dcook        Well, at this point I'm on an old 3.8, so it's a moot point
02:01 dcook        But I'm just pondering how it would work in newer versions
02:01 dcook        Say I were downloading the new MeSH update
02:02 dcook        That's some...1700-1800 new or modified authority records
02:02 jcamins      I'd overlay them based on MeSH identifier.
02:02 jcamins      071, maybe?
02:02 dcook        Oooh...
02:02 dcook        It might help if I actually "look" at a MeSH record, eh? ;)
02:02 jcamins      No, 060
02:03 jcamins      No, not 060.
02:03 rangi        01892371
02:03 rangi        im helping im helping
02:03 dcook        lol
02:05 dcook        Hmm, I don't see any identifier :/
02:05 jcamins      035 looks like your best bet.
02:05 jcamins      I thought they had another one, but maybe not.
02:06 jcamins      Or they don't use it.
02:08 dcook        I think they might just use it for bib records
02:08 dcook        Or the MARC authority frameworks are stripping it out perhaps
02:08 jcamins      I have a problem.
02:09 jcamins      I can't find the menu in Windows 8.
02:09 jcamins      The problem is using Windows, of course.
02:09 dcook        I don't know if there is a menu
02:10 wizzyrea     windows 8. I'm so sorry.
02:10 dcook        I've only used Windows 8 twice though
02:10 dcook        Ahhh!
02:10 dcook        I found some personal name auth records that have a 035!
02:12 jcamins      So, I have a puzzle for you.
02:12 jcamins      I found a Java program I want to run.
02:13 jcamins      I use a Mac. Or Linux. Or FreeBSD.
02:13 jcamins      Java is platform-independent.
02:13 jcamins      So why do I need to find a Windows computer to run the Java program?
02:13 rangi        embrace and extend
02:14 rangi        couple with oracle
02:14 jcamins      But... wtf? Why don't you just use a non-awful application development language if you're going to write something Windows-only?
02:14 rangi        people are mental
02:16 jcamins      This proves how motivated I am to try this software.
02:16 * jcamins    is now in Windows 7.
02:17 jcamins      Okay.
02:17 jcamins      Got it to run.
02:17 jcamins      "THIS IS A SECURITY RISK" -- no kidding. It's Windows.
02:18 wizzyrea     @quote add jcamins: "THIS IS A SECURITY RISK" -- no kidding. It's Windows.
02:18 huginn`      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #272 added.
02:18 jcamins      I am so glad that I downloaded a web browser, Java, *and* the software just to be told what version of Java I had running.
02:19 jcamins      Before I installed Java I didn't have any version of Java running.
02:19 jcamins      And knowing that I was just as well off as I am now.
02:19 rangi        heh
02:22 jcamins      Ummmm...
02:22 jcamins      I am looking at a citation analysis tool.
02:23 jcamins      It offers WoS and PubMed citation analysis.
02:23 jcamins      I tried the WoS one. It was cool.
02:23 jcamins      So I tried the PubMed one.
02:23 jcamins      And after downloading the file it informs me that PubMed doesn't include citations so it won't be analyzing them.
02:27 wizzyrea     ...helpful.
02:30 dcook        :S
02:30 jcamins      Super-helpful.
02:34 * jcamins    just found something we should add to Koha: http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/
02:35 wizzyrea     oh my gracious.
02:36 * wizzyrea   is still blinking
02:36 dcook        O_O
02:36 jcamins      Possibly just rolling.
02:37 jcamins      We hope.
02:37 jcamins      Hey, I know! I think I'll run twelve updates to Windows now.
02:37 dcook        Oh God...it just gets worse the more I scroll...
02:38 wizzyrea     < is aghast
02:38 dcook        That has to be fake..
02:38 wizzyrea     ....
02:40 wizzyrea     it gets quite a bit funnier towards the middle
02:40 wizzyrea     like actually funny
02:42 dcook        hehe, there are some rather entertaining bits
02:43 dcook        I'm rather amazed that so many people posted
02:44 dcook        ...and that I'm still reading this
03:13 * mtompset   wakes up from stasis. WHAT?! That is ultra-mega-stupid security-wise.
03:30 mtompset     Good thing someone told me to assume jcamins' comments are frequently surrounded by sarcasm tags. ;)
03:31 mtompset     Well, have a great day, #koha.
03:57 wizzyrea     campbell++ for tackling hard things!
04:57 dcook        campbell++
05:06 dcook        hey cait
05:07 cait         morning dcook
05:10 dcook        how's the morning?
05:18 dcook        jcamins++
05:19 dcook        gmcharlt++
05:19 dcook        Authority linking stuff...
05:25 cait         :)
05:25 dcook        Hmm
05:26 dcook        I keep thinking there are two preferences for hiding things in the OPAC...
05:26 dcook        OpacSuppresion and another one..
05:26 rangi        hiddenitems
05:26 dcook        Yes, that's it
05:26 dcook        Thanks, rangi :)
05:26 dcook        I should've searched "hid" instead of "hide"
05:28 dcook        Oh, that "OpacSuppression" doesn't look too bad
05:28 * dcook      wonders if we handle "deleted" records at all
05:29 dcook        Leader position 05 "d"
05:31 dcook        Hmm, doesn't look like it
05:33 dcook        Can't say I've ever had anyone ask for that though.
05:37 cait         dcook: no we don't right now
05:49 dcook        IE is such a weird browser...
06:15 * magnuse    waves
06:16 magnuse      there was a patch with a script related to to leader/05=d...
06:17 magnuse      i think?
06:18 magnuse      dcook: bug 10421
06:18 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Add cron script to delete deleted records
06:22 magnuse      rangi: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohawork/commit/32d1c60c293546a63548003477acb8f3df8e2cab :-)
06:22 rangi        sweet
06:24 * dcook      perks up
06:24 dcook        I think these painkillers need more alcohol..
06:24 magnuse      ?!?
06:25 magnuse      awww... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Program
06:25 dcook        Well, they haven't had any alcohol yet :p
06:27 dcook        Why the aww, magnuse?
06:34 magnuse      because i want to go there...
06:41 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m et reiveune
06:41 reiveune     hello magnuse dcook everyone
06:41 dcook        magnuse: Go where?
06:41 dcook        hey ya reiveune :)
06:42 magnuse      dcook: to kohacon2013 in reno
06:43 dcook        You're not going currently? :(
06:44 dcook        Oh...I wish there was item matching as well during imports..
06:44 dcook        Hmm, maybe it doesn't matter...
06:44 dcook        The imports that is
06:44 dcook        It would be great to see you at a kohacon, magnuse :)
06:45 dcook        15 minutes to break a busted table-based layout. Can I do it? I don't know...
06:46 dcook        ^^ Comes from a thing where my grammar teacher used to say "You have 15 minutes to finish 30 questions. Can you do it? YES!"
06:46 dcook        She was very optimistic...:p
06:46 dcook        s/optimistic/authoritarian/
06:47 magnuse      dcook: yeah, there are lots of people i want to meet, you included. are you going to reno?
06:48 dcook        Yep. I'm presenting on Dspace + Koha on the Thursday afternoon
06:48 dcook        Hopefully I'll have a decent prototype of this OAI-PMH harvester ready by then so I can talk about it ;)
06:48 drojf        mrng
06:48 dcook        Guten Morgen, drojf
06:49 drojf        hi dcook
06:53 magnuse      dcook: ah, so you don't see the harvesting in 3.14?
06:53 * dcook      tries to remember when the feature freeze is
06:53 dcook        feature freeze?
06:53 wahanui      feature freeze is 3 October 2013
06:53 dcook        Mmm
06:53 dcook        That could happen
06:54 dcook        Actually, probably not
06:54 dcook        I did the z39.50 authority search a while ago and that was a much more straightforward feature
06:55 * dcook      is unsure whether to post his current work and get feedback, or to wait until he's got it the way he wants it THEN get feedback
06:55 magnuse      release early, release often?
06:55 magnuse      better to get feedback before things are too settled?
06:56 dcook        Hmm, that's true
06:56 dcook        It is getting to the point where there are options and I'm sure of the best route
06:56 dcook        And places where I could use a second pair of eyes just to catch mistakes/improve the code quality
06:57 magnuse      sounds like yo are ready for feedback to me :-)
06:57 dcook        Well, maybe tomorrow I'll have to post my current work
06:57 magnuse      yay
06:58 dcook        The documentation needs a bit of work but I've tried to comment the crap out of it
06:58 magnuse      hehe, nice
06:58 dcook        And lots of POD for the class
06:58 magnuse      yay!
06:58 magnuse      tests?
06:58 wahanui      tests is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests
06:58 dcook        Ah, that's something I'm wanting to add soonish as well
06:59 dcook        At the moment, I've got one PM, one PL (which is the start of a cronjob), and...two XSLTs
06:59 dcook        One for transforming DC to MARC21 (which needs a fair bit of work)
06:59 dcook        And one for adding a few fields to incoming MARC21 records
07:00 drojf        nice
07:00 drojf        dcook++
07:00 magnuse      yeah dcook++
07:00 dcook        Thanks :)
07:01 magnuse      someone on facebook just suggested a dro who skin/theme for koha. wizzyrea? rangi?
07:01 dcook        :D
07:04 rangi        need someoone with design schools, and that aint me
07:06 magnuse      rangi: :-)
07:06 rangi        skills even
07:06 magnuse      hehe
07:22 kf           hi all :)
07:25 dcook        O_O
07:25 dcook        hey kf
07:25 dcook        And hey eythian?!
07:25 wahanui      go back to bed, eythian
07:25 kf           hi dcook :)
07:25 magnuse      hiya trendynick kf and eythian
07:25 eythian      hi
07:25 kf           good morning magnuse :)
07:26 dcook        eythian: Back from vacation?
07:26 eythian      no, just at my laptop for the first time in a few weeks
07:26 kf           you remembered the password
07:26 kf           ?
07:26 kf           impressive :)
07:26 dcook        Mmm, well, your absence has been noted!
07:27 dcook        #koha doesn't seem the same without you
07:27 eythian      kf: muscle memory :)
07:27 eythian      dcook: it sounds terrible!
07:27 kf           pf.
07:28 dcook        There's been a serious lack of pithy links
07:28 dcook        Hope the vacation has been/continues to be good
07:28 dcook        night all
07:28 wahanui      goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:29 magnuse      heh, wahanui is the only one quick enough to say goodnight to dcook
07:30 eythian      it takes a robot...
07:31 eythian      oh goody, over 1000 unread emails
07:31 magnuse      lol
07:31 * magnuse    finally gets around to realising http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template:DevBook - far from perfect, but hey: release early, release often...
07:32 magnuse      if anyone can think of other pages that (new) devs should be aware of, please add them or give me a hint
07:32 rangi        hmm i did one
07:33 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
07:34 magnuse      goody! added
07:35 kf           magnuse++
07:36 magnuse      OMGWTFBBQ? lol!
07:38 eythian      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8997891/Secret-city-rewriting-NZ-history <-- oh cool
07:41 magnuse      in norway we have a saying along the lines of "things are never so bad that something good can't come from it"...
07:41 kf           :)
07:42 magnuse      or "never so bad that it's not good for something"
07:45 kf           that's optimistic, i like it
07:45 magnuse      it's very optimistic :-)
07:45 eythian      clouds, silver linings, that sort of thing :)
07:48 magnuse      ah yes, that would be the english equivalent - i knew there had to be one :-)
07:49 magnuse      kia ora paul_p
07:49 paul_p       hello #koha
07:50 eythian      also "it's an ill wind that blows no minds" ... no wait ... "it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good"
07:50 kf           hi paul_p
07:50 eythian      hello paul_p
07:50 magnuse      eythian: hadn't heard that one - nice!
07:51 eythian      or in its original form, apparently: "An yll wynde that blowth no man to good, men say."
07:51 magnuse      aye, 'tis that!
07:55 kf           meeting - bbiab
07:59 paul_p       hey eythian, seems you're close to France atm ?
07:59 paul_p       eythian / rangi = NZ is really a wise country... http://www.zdnet.com/new-zealand-bans-software-patents-7000019955/
08:02 eythian      paul_p: in the netherlands at the moment, but back home tomorrow. Didn't make it to france this trip.
08:02 paul_p       eythian safe travelling back home then !
08:03 eythian      ta :)
08:04 eythian      and yeah, the patents thing was a long time in the coming
08:07 magnuse      the comments seemed a bit obering, though?
08:08 magnuse      s/obering/sobering/
08:13 eythian      don't read the comments.
08:13 eythian      that's a blanket policy for almost all sites.
08:40 magnuse      :-)
08:45 kf           back
10:31 longrider    lost Status not found in Item add
10:32 longrider    please help me in this regard
12:44 elemark      hallo
12:44 nengard      morning #koha long time no see
12:45 elemark      how should I pack a marc file for the import so that it includes item info, too?
12:49 eythian      put the item info into 952, one 952 per item
12:52 tcohen       hi eythian
12:52 eythian      hi tcohen
12:52 nengard      the info on the 952 can be found in the manual :)  http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/catguides.html#itemcatguide
12:53 tcohen       eythian: i should just add /etc/bash-completion/koha-common then?
12:53 eythian      yeah
12:53 tcohen       great
12:53 tcohen       another question
12:53 wahanui      another question is how useful it is to have "save as rdf" option...
12:53 magnuse      elemark: see also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
12:53 eythian      that way, if someone installs the bash-completion package later, it'll magically work. And if not, it won't do anything.
12:54 magnuse      wahanui: forget another question
12:54 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot another question
12:54 tcohen       when is debian/rules used? after 'make install'?
12:54 eythian      I liked that question :/
12:54 elemark      thanks a lot
12:54 eythian      tcohen: erm
12:54 elemark      I'm having a look at those links
12:55 eythian      it runs make install
12:55 eythian      but it does it using magic
12:56 tcohen       i'm tracking the fact that my patch didn't fix the history.txt problem in packages
12:57 tcohen       override_dh_auto_install does a rm -rf on the docs dir
12:57 tcohen       should i install $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/doc/history.txt somewhere just before that?
12:58 eythian      that seems reasonable I think
12:59 eythian      it rm's it presumably because you can't leave stuff lying around, or the package build process will complain.
13:01 elemark      ok, maybe it's not so easy as I thought
13:05 tcohen       ok, will build and check the result :-D
13:06 elemark      thanks, tcohen, I believe that building will be a great work
13:06 eythian      elemark: oh hey, where in Italy are you?
13:06 elemark      turin
13:07 eythian      ah cool. I was touristing in Rome and Florince about a week ago.
13:08 elemark      the fact is that I've not been told to do such attempt, so I don't believe my boss would be happy to know i dedicate days of work to this :(
13:09 elemark      @eythian wow! did you have a good trip?
13:09 huginn`      elemark: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:09 eythian      yeah, it was good. Saw things I'd only ever seen in pictures before, ate a lot of gelato, that sort of thing :)
13:09 elemark      huginn`: sorry, what's RDA?
13:09 huginn`      elemark: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:10 eythian      huginn` is a bot, and starting a line with '@' is how you make him do stuff.
13:10 huginn`      eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:10 eythian      or starting with its name...
13:11 elemark      eythian: :) thanks, I'm not using  IRC since 10 years or more
13:12 elemark      though I can see no '@' in front of any name
13:13 elemark      maybe it's empathy
13:13 eythian      no, you put an @ in front of my name.
13:14 elemark      aaaah, sorry
13:14 elemark      right, I understand (late but I do)
13:31 tcohen       eythian: debian/koha-common.bash-completion ;-)
13:33 paul_p       kf = flight booked. Landing at RNO, on 13th, at 19:26
13:38 tcohen       hi paul_p
13:41 paul_p       hi tcohen. Good morning
14:27 kf           someone from bywater around? :)
14:27 kf           khall, nengard
14:27 kf           ?
14:28 nengard      i'm here
14:28 nengard      what's up?
14:28 khall        yo
14:28 kf           bug 10801 looks like a support request for you :)
14:28 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ERROR: Barcode must be unique
14:29 khall        that name doesn't ring a bell, how about for you nengard?
14:29 kf           [off] googled the library name and ended here: http://catalog.iwhs.bywatersolutions.com/
14:30 nengard      khall she's new
14:30 kf           just thought you might be able to help out better than i can here
14:30 khall        lol, thanks kf!
14:30 rambutan     @seen rangi
14:30 huginn`      rambutan: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <rangi> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help
14:31 kf           rambutan: still night in nz :)
14:31 rambutan     no excuse!
14:31 khall        it seems as though wizzyrea has been trying to reach me. Stupid time zones!
14:31 rambutan     :)
14:31 kf           khall: i think it might have been about the bug she was testing, i saw that she left comments there
14:31 kf           khall: patron... lists?
14:32 khall        ahh, thanks again kf!
14:32 kf           only a guess :)
14:52 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
14:54 rambutan     morning mtompset
14:54 mtompset     Greetings, rambutan.
14:55 oleonard     Hi #koha
14:55 * oleonard   finally drags in after a morning meeting
14:56 mtompset     Greetings, oleonard.
14:56 mtompset     I have a meeting shortly myself. :)
14:58 * chris_n    's Firefox has an Internet Explorer moment
14:58 tcohen       hi oleonard mtompset
14:58 mtompset     Sounds like you are using the IETab plug in. ;)
14:59 mtompset     Greetings, chris_n and tcohen. :)
14:59 chris_n      heh
14:59 chris_n      heya mtompset
14:59 wahanui      somebody said mtompset was disliking finding bugs while testing.
15:00 mtompset     There much less likely to trigger a "WHAT?!" kind of moment that before. :)
15:00 * tcohen     realizes we need lots of cleanup in debian/*
15:01 druthb       Hi, mtompset!  :)
15:01 mtompset     tcohen: There's lots of clean up everywhere! :) I'm working on a INSTALL.ubuntu re-write.
15:02 tcohen       please don't replace it with packages instructions
15:03 tcohen       :-D
15:03 mtompset     I'm not.
15:04 mtompset     I'm trying for a source based install with occasional: IF YOU ARE DOING A DEV INSTALLATION, IF YOU ARE DOING A STANDARD INSTALLATION.
15:05 mtompset     I'm also leaving out all the sample output and answers for some of the commands.
15:06 mtompset     I'm nearly finished the re-write, but I need to test it out, so that it is simple enough for a unfamiliar with Koha, but kind of familiar with Linux person should be able to do it.
15:06 tcohen       please let me test it too when you're done
15:07 mtompset     I'll be putting it up as a patch.
15:07 mtompset     You can have the pleasure of signing off when it is done. ;)
15:08 mtompset     I was wondering if I should even leaving everyone's names in the credits section.
15:08 mtompset     leave (not leaving)
15:09 mtompset     I'm not sure anyone is going to recognize their part at all, by the time I'm done. :)
15:18 pastebot     "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I need some jquery help please" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/189
15:19 * oleonard   finds that if he uses custom XSL for OPAC results (at a remote URL) that  OPACItemsResultsDisplay stops working...
15:19 nengard      hmmm
15:19 nengard      how so?
15:19 nengard      we're not having that problem
15:19 oleonard     I have OPACItemsResultsDisplay set to show library, location, and call number
15:20 nengard      oh wait
15:20 nengard      wrong pref
15:20 nengard      sorry ... am tired
15:20 oleonard     If I point our  OPACXSLTResultsDisplay to a customized XSL file we stop seeing call number info in OPAC search results
15:20 nengard      does that pref work with xslt at all?
15:20 oleonard     Yes
15:21 oleonard     I can't reproduce the problem in master, but I see it on our live system
15:21 * oleonard   should test in 3.10.x
15:26 jcamins      oleonard: are you sure your customized XSLT includes that syspref?
15:27 oleonard     All I did was add some RDA tag display to a stock XSL file
15:27 jcamins      Odd.
15:27 jcamins      Out of curiosity, which tags?
15:29 oleonard          264
15:29 jcamins      Ah.
15:30 jcamins      Makes sense.
15:48 reiveune     bye
15:53 nengard      jcamins i need help with your jquyer
15:53 nengard      jquery
15:53 nengard      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_a_bookplate_when_cover_images_are_not_found
15:53 nengard      look at result 3 & 4: http://catalog.marlboro.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=library
15:54 nengard      and 5 for that matter ...
15:55 jcamins      Huh. I find myself wondering about that jQuery.
15:55 jcamins      A) I could've sworn I got it off the wiki from you.
15:55 jcamins      B) I could've sworn it was longer.
15:56 jcamins      Actually, never mind. That's a workaround for something else entirely.
15:57 jcamins      Just use Marlboro's CSS.
15:57 jcamins      Oh, that is Marlboro's catalog, isn't it?
16:00 nengard      yup
16:00 nengard      they wanted to use a bookplate instead of the no image found
16:00 nengard      so ... other ideas? :)
16:00 jcamins      There's a CSS-only solution.
16:01 nengard      oh
16:01 jcamins      Unfortunately, the place I remember seeing it was in Marlboro's opacusercss.
16:01 nengard      crap
16:02 nengard      removed the jquery
16:16 mtompset     backups are your friend. :)
16:16 oleonard     A lesson from your day mtompset?
16:19 mtompset     once or twice. :)
16:19 mtompset     thankfully not today.
16:22 * cait       waves
16:22 magnuse      revision history for sysprefs?
16:22 * magnuse    waves to cait
16:25 cait         :)
16:28 druthb       hi, cait! :D
16:28 druthb       wahanui:  cait?
16:28 wahanui      cait: go to bed
16:28 druthb       lol
16:28 cait         hi druthb :)
16:28 cait         lol not yet
16:28 cait         i don't have pixies doing the laundry for me
16:28 cait         or the dishes
16:29 oleonard     Dish pixies.
16:29 oleonard     I just like saying that. Dish pixies.
16:29 cait         and laundry pixies heh
16:30 cait         yeah, dish pixies are a fabulous idea
16:35 druthb       hmpf.
16:35 * druthb     has *pixie* as an alert word in her client.
16:36 jcamins      Pixie?
16:36 * druthb     perks
16:37 oleonard     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf20Effo6ds
16:50 rambutan     [off]Poor Richard
16:50 rambutan     [off]and not the Almanac
16:52 oleonard     Seriously, "liblivecd?"
16:53 oleonard     Oh, I thought that was something it's not.
16:53 oleonard     Looks like it's a crapshoot what version you get if you dowload that, depending on where you go.
17:21 cait         pixie?
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17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer
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17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer
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17:30 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update bsort1 and bsort2 to be clearer
17:31 magnuse      druthb: you might want to check out http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=20662
17:32 magnuse      (dunno why i have not thought about that before...)
17:42 * tcohen     grumbles ("why deb building scripts are so tricky?...")
17:42 cait         dunno :)
17:42 * cait       hands tcohen a cookie
17:42 tcohen       thx cait
17:44 tcohen       dh_compress --exclude=history.txt
17:45 * cait       is in a good mood because the cold seems to give in finally :)
18:12 tcohen       bug 10802
18:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10802 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , history.txt missing in packages
18:13 magnuse      sweet as
18:15 phasefx_     if you change a perl module in C4, do you need an apache restart, or does a reload suffice?
18:16 tcohen       no restart/reload required
18:16 phasefx_     cool deal, thanks!
18:18 magnuse      as long as you are not using plack (but then you would probably not be using apache...)
18:19 tcohen       heh, exactly
18:21 tcohen       magnuse, could you tell me how does the patch look for you?
18:22 tcohen       roughly
18:23 magnuse      tcohen: it looks like deep, deep magic ;-)
18:24 magnuse      i have no idea what is going on there. i could test it, but alas i have no time for it in the next 2 weeks
18:24 tcohen       np magnuse
18:34 oleonard     [off] Staff member wants me to add new functionality to our intranet? Compose a message with the subject line "Button" because he wants a button to click on when he want the new functionality.
18:35 oleonard     [off] Not, "I want to be able to do X," but "I want a button I can click on to do X"
18:36 phasefx_     I have a site running 3.04.08.001, and I believe a recent backported security patch broke access to the Serials interface.  I get Template process failed: file error - datatables-strings.inc: not found at blah/C4/Templates.pm line 126.  I know this was fixed for another site running the same version, but the few differences I saw in C4/ don't seem to make a difference.  Any suggestions for where
18:36 phasefx_     I should look?
18:38 cait         have you checked the inc file is there?
18:38 cait         it will be in the template folders
18:38 cait         that's unlikely to be a C4 problem - more a template problem
18:38 phasefx_     I'm not sure that this version of koha even uses that file
18:38 oleonard     intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/datatables.inc
18:38 * phasefx_   looks
18:39 cait         oleonard++
18:39 cait         and what security fix did you backport?
18:39 oleonard     intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/datatables-strings.inc, that is.
18:39 phasefx_     that I don't know; I'm usually immersed in Evergreen, but I can dig for it
18:39 cait         if it was the one for opacsearchhistory that looks unrelated
18:39 cait         i can't remember on ein serials. hm.
18:41 oleonard     I don't see that file listed in 3.4.x. I don't think 3.4.x used DataTables at all.
18:41 * cait       agrees with oleonard
18:41 cait         i think 3.6 had some first datatables
18:42 phasefx_     that was my impression rooting around in the file system; there's a Utils.pm instead of a Utils/
18:43 phasefx_     the working site doesn't have datatables-strings.inc
18:46 oleonard     I can't understand why a security patch would change a template in that way.
18:47 phasefx_     it was http://koha-community.org/security-release-july-2013/
18:49 cait         hm
18:49 cait         did you just pick the top three commits from there?
18:49 cait         or did you update the version?
18:49 oleonard     Those commits don't touch any serials templates
18:49 tcohen       magnuse: i'm resuming my work on bash-completion
18:50 tcohen       do u think i should consider the koha-list patch for --sip --nosip ?
18:51 magnuse      tcohen: not sure what you mean?
18:52 magnuse      take those options into account, so if you do --sip you only autocomplete one the ones that have sip enabled?
18:52 tcohen       ;-)
18:52 magnuse      s/one /on /
18:52 oleonard     I'm officially declaring Bug 10309 "needs signoff"
18:52 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
18:52 tcohen       right now i have:
18:53 magnuse      woohoo oleonard++
18:53 tcohen       - substract already passed instance names
18:53 tcohen       - conditional switches fr a few scripts handled correctly
18:53 magnuse      tcohen: if i understand you right it sounds like a possible future enh to me :-)
18:54 tcohen       i just need to push some of this work so it gets peer reviewed before starting the most difficult scripts' completions
18:55 cait         oleonard: woohoo :)
18:55 cait         oleonard++
18:55 oleonard     I'm sure there's stuff I haven't caught, but I don't think I'll get any serious testing without asking for a signoff
18:56 * oleonard   will consider borrowing magnuse's GBSD whip if necessary
18:56 * magnuse    hands it to oleonard, just in case
18:56 oleonard     Time to leave though. I'll save the whippings for later.
18:56 oleonard     See ya #koha
18:57 tcohen       oleonard++
18:57 magnuse      tcohen: submitting some of it sounds like a good idea, to not make the patch too big and complex
18:57 phasefx_     oleonard: cait: I need to work on my reading comprehension I think; ticket mentions the security fix, but also additional issues with that specific branch they're using.  Sorry for the goosechase
18:57 cait         phasefx_that's ok - well then it's another commit
18:58 cait         could you check the last change made to the template file?
18:58 cait         i think you are going wrong looking in the perl and C4 files - datatables is javascript and templates
18:58 cait         so you want to look in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials or something like that
18:58 phasefx_     cait: 2bace14e5c06d909fc65ad17c031b4d7e4b3acb6
18:59 phasefx_     well, that's for Template.pm
18:59 cait         yah
18:59 cait         i don't think your problem is there
18:59 cait         look at the template for the page you are trying to view
18:59 cait         that causes the problem
19:00 phasefx_     it's all clear now
19:01 phasefx_     need to revert 3fe0c347c2a90dc65837a4653c24f40de9e7ce3d
19:02 phasefx_     cait++ oleonard++
19:02 cait         yv - hope it works
19:03 phasefx_     I had part of it, but was missing the changes to serials-home.tt
19:03 cait         yeah, that one looks really suspicious .)
19:11 phasefx_     that did the trick
19:12 cait         cool :)
19:14 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
19:14 tcohen       wait!
19:16 * cait       wiats
19:16 tcohen       bye cait
19:16 tcohen       :-D
19:17 phasefx_     fun now? :)
19:17 cait         ?
19:17 * cait       is stlil here
19:17 tcohen       please
19:17 cait         tcohen: you want me to leave?
19:18 tcohen       i'm done, you're free
19:18 tcohen       :-P
19:19 cait         *confused*
19:20 * tcohen     *too*
19:20 tcohen       bye #koha
19:22 phasefx_     I think they just wanted to leave before magnuse? :)
19:26 * cait       i still here
19:26 * cait       will be for some time :)
19:47 jcamins      phasefx_: you've been encouraged to upgrade to a modern version, right?
19:49 phasefx_     jcamins: I think we encourage but don't force, for the most part
19:50 jcamins      Oh, you're with ESI.
19:50 * jcamins    had forgotten.
19:50 phasefx_     yeap, and when gmcharlt is away, I get to play... :)
19:51 Dyrcona      Do you all typically sign your git commits with -s ?
19:52 cait         I know gmcharlt does it, but most people don't sign their own patches currently
19:52 Dyrcona      cait thanks.
19:52 cait         the testers do
19:52 cait         and qa and RM
19:52 Dyrcona      I see.
19:52 Dyrcona      Makes sense.
19:52 jcamins      Also when rebasing, often.
19:52 cait         ah yes, for putting in a note it's used as well
19:53 Dyrcona      In Evergreen-land, we do things a bit differently but that's cool.
19:53 Dyrcona      I'm looking at some commits to a joint project done by rangi, so I thought I'd ask what your usual procedure is.
19:53 jcamins      It certainly wouldn't cause any problems to self-sign.
19:53 Dyrcona      I'll just sign them after I test and then push to master.
19:54 cait         as I said - gmcharlt does it in koha land too :)
19:54 Dyrcona      We have some commits with up to four signatures.
19:54 cait         we are not opposed to it
19:54 cait         that we have too :) - but those are testers then
19:54 cait         most of the time
19:54 Dyrcona      Typically, the one who wrote the code signs, the one tests it, and the committer.
19:55 cait         yeah, we have the same then - because one more for the qa team, one less for the code write
19:55 cait         r
19:55 jcamins      cait: I think we've probably reached dozens of signatures on a single commit.
19:55 jcamins      Mostly my fault.
19:55 cait         hehe
19:55 Dyrcona      Thanks for the little discussion. It has helped me decide how to proceed.
19:56 cait         Dyrcona: i suspect rangi would  have no problem with signing his patches
19:56 Dyrcona      gmcharlt just signs everything.. ;)
19:56 jcamins      Write patch, submit. Rebase. Sign off. Rebase again. Sign off again. Get sign off. Rebase. Sign off. Rebase. Sign off. Get QA feedback. Write follow-up. Sign off. Get additional sign off... etc.
19:56 Dyrcona      cait: likely, but it is ok with me if he doesn't.
19:56 * cait       suggest just talking to him :)
19:57 jcamins      They self-sign on other projects at Catalyst.
19:57 rangi        yep, i can self sign
19:57 Dyrcona      wasn't sure what time it was for you. ;)
19:57 * rangi      will do it from now
19:57 rangi               7.57
19:57 Dyrcona      OK. cool.
19:57 jcamins      Breakfast time, I think.
19:57 rangi        taking kids to school soon and then work
19:57 jcamins      Tomorrow.
19:57 wahanui      i heard tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today.
19:58 Dyrcona      let me know when it is beer o'clock, and I'll join you. :)
19:58 wahanui      That would be factoid 31337 given on #koha by Dyrcona.
19:58 wahanui      woohoo!
19:59 jcamins      Hehe.
19:59 rangi        4in 8 hours
19:59 rangi        hmm in 8 hours even, at 4pm
20:00 rangi        i did a few more commits
20:00 rangi        http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=NCIPServer.git;a=commitdiff;h=b37dbb7e29b5b0b443b5d1c23dcfbdbcfac1f4d3
20:00 rangi        nothing much substantial yet
20:00 rangi        altho this is kinda cool
20:01 rangi        http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=NCIPServer.git;a=commitdiff;h=de95740ee2fcc308f09324b5dbb6e9b78650f236
20:01 Dyrcona      Yeah, I picked those up, 'cause I just pulled.
20:01 cait         ooh ncip
20:01 rangi        sweet
20:01 Dyrcona      sweet as
20:01 Dyrcona      ;)
20:01 Dyrcona      btw, that's what I called your remote, "sweetas."
20:01 rangi        so it starts up a server listening on localhost 6001 (or whatever the config says) all it does is echo what you type back, but its a nice way to test
20:02 rangi        hehe
20:02 rangi        cool
20:02 Dyrcona      yeah,
20:02 Dyrcona      I think someone in Minnesota has put up a skeletal mod-perl, but I have to look at the branch, first.
20:03 rangi        sweet
20:03 rangi        ill probably do a dancer implemenation too
20:03 rangi        cos all the heavy lifting is done int he modules
20:04 rangi        that would give us raw tcp, mod_perl, or psgi to choose from
20:04 Dyrcona      very nice.
20:08 cait         rangi++ Dyrcona++ :)
20:18 Dyrcona      rangi++
20:25 cait         @wunder Konstanz
20:25 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.7°C (10:25 PM CEST on August 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
20:43 rambutan     @wunder 64507
20:43 huginn`      rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 36.5°C (3:42 PM CDT on August 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).  Heat advisory in effect from noon to 7 PM CDT Friday... 
20:43 cait         hm what do people think about 10796
20:43 cait         bug 10796
20:43 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow OpacPasswordChange to be set by category type
20:43 cait         i am pondering what to do about the system preference, when you can make that setting in the patron category
20:45 rangi        @wunder nzwn
20:45 huginn`      rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on August 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
20:45 rangi        Dropped the kids off, dropped my car off, now waiting for a bus
20:48 cait         where did you leave the car?
20:48 cait         car school? :)
20:48 cait         bad joke, i know
20:48 rangi        Hehe the house
20:49 rangi        I don't like to have it if I'm going to have a beer
20:49 cait         :)
20:50 cait         very clever
20:58 rangi        I noticed, if you install the eventbase app and search for Koha the kohacon programme is there
21:05 magnuse      cait: maybe keep the syspref, so you can set a baseline with that, and if you don't want any categories to deviate from that setting you don't have to set each category
21:07 mtompset     rangi++ # responsible drinking habits.
21:10 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
21:10 cait         magnuse: i think it might be confusing - because you don't see the syspref setting on the page...
21:11 cait         hm
21:11 magnuse      cait: that could be fixed :-)
21:11 cait         yah
21:12 cait         but we don't do that in other places
21:12 cait         i am trying to see a common pattern
21:12 cait         well find one
21:12 cait         maybe a third setting for OpacChangePassword
21:12 cait         Use category
21:12 cait         then make the option show up on the patron category form only when it#s set to that
21:12 cait         still seems overly complicated
21:14 wizzyrea     you could just put it in the category, and have it off by default (if that's what the syspref value is currently)
21:14 wizzyrea     and just not have an option of global off or global on
21:15 wizzyrea     just make it something that people have to set, like overdue notices
21:15 wizzyrea     per category
21:16 wizzyrea     so get rid of the syspref, enforce usage per category.
21:16 cait         on by default i think
21:16 cait         allowing login
21:16 wizzyrea     well whatever the default is now (least surprise and all)
21:16 cait         i tend to do that yes
21:16 cait         i think it would be least confusing
21:16 cait         and of course copy the current value to existing patron categories
21:17 wizzyrea     right
21:17 cait         it seems most logical to me i think
21:17 wizzyrea     besides, I can think of at least one person who would be for eliminating sysprefs ;)
21:17 cait         but i better get this right :)
21:17 cait         heh
21:17 cait         maybe ha can test or qa then ;)
21:22 cait         wizzyrea: thx for giving your opinion
21:23 wizzyrea     ah yep, at least this time it's not a controversial one ^.^
21:25 cait         those are very welcome too :)
21:31 rangi        back
21:36 wizzyrea     haha cait you said the same thing I said
21:36 cait         hm?
21:37 wizzyrea     on the mailing list about the overdue notices
21:37 cait         ah right
21:37 cait         i sitl think it's the cause
21:37 wizzyrea     me too
21:37 wizzyrea     I have actually been caught by that exact thing
21:37 cait         i really filed that bug :)
22:05 mtompset     Well, this is the day that my schedule is totally out of whack. Have a great 24 hour period (or more), #koha.
22:05 * mtompset   waves bye to wizzyrea and cait. :)
22:06 wizzyrea     later
22:13 wizzyrea     yay someone wants to know about the livecd. *sighs*
22:13 rangi        i think that guy is in wellington
22:13 rangi        learning
22:13 wahanui      i think learning is a life long process and it never stops. I just wish it slowed down sometimes. :)
22:13 rangi        we should reply and say, pop in to catalyst with your laptop
22:13 rangi        and we can show you a less stupid way to install
22:14 wizzyrea     :D we can do that?
22:14 rangi        sure we can, just do it on a lunch break
22:14 wizzyrea     neat!
22:14 rangi        lemme just check if it is the person im thinking of
22:15 rangi        My name is Richard. Im an IT student from the island of Tonga currently
22:15 rangi        studying in NZ,
22:15 rangi        yep it is
22:15 wizzyrea     cooool
22:15 rangi        in nz at least
22:16 ibeardslee   probably even scope for 'community goodwill support' in timesheeting?
22:16 rangi        so maybe say, if you are in wellington, pop in at lunch time blah blah
22:16 ibeardslee   .. oh, this isn't catalyst irc ..
22:16 rangi        heh
22:16 wizzyrea     hah
22:17 rangi        re Dyrcona