Time Nick Message
00:45 dcook Whoa...I think I just understood a regular expression...
00:45 dcook if ($parts[-1] !~ /^.*\d-\d.*$/ && $parts[-1] =~ /^(.*\d+)(\D.*)$/) {
00:45 dcook If the last array element isn't entirely digits?
00:45 dcook And
00:46 dcook Group it into two new elements?
00:46 dcook Nope, maybe I don't get it
00:47 dcook The first regex...starting or ending with anything except a newline...with just digits inbetween
00:48 dcook The second doesn't group them..
00:49 jcamins What is it for?
00:49 dcook Callnumber splitting
00:49 jcamins Ah.
00:50 dcook If "11/10" goes in...$1 = 11 and $2 = /10
00:50 jcamins Yes, that makes sense.
00:51 jcamins $2 starts with the first non-digit character.
00:51 dcook Right
00:52 dcook I'm trying to figure out if that's because it matches or does not match that regex
00:52 dcook I would think not match..
00:52 jcamins No, that's what the regex is for.
00:52 dcook That the second one...matches anything starting with a digit and ending in a non-digit, but that doesn't make sense either..
00:52 jcamins I imagine it's in a loop?
00:53 jcamins The first one is making sure that it doesn't look like 1-1.
00:53 dcook Mmm, nope, I don't see a loop
00:53 jcamins And as long as it's not a dash, the second one splits it on that first non-numeric character.
00:53 jcamins Huh.
00:53 jcamins That looks like the sort of thing that would be in a loop.
00:54 dcook Ahh, bloody dashes..
00:54 wizzyrea the first question?
00:54 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
00:55 dcook I was thinking of it as a set but it's not a set..
00:55 dcook wizzyrea: Just to understand regex in this case :p
00:55 wizzyrea hehe
00:55 dcook Probably going to make another callnumber splitting sub that just doesn't have it
00:55 dcook :/
00:55 wizzyrea for what purpose?
00:56 dcook So that 11/10 comes out on one line rather than two
00:56 wizzyrea lol yes, but in which module, for example?
00:57 dcook O_o
00:57 dcook Label printing
00:57 dcook Label.pm
00:57 dcook Thanks, jcamins, for the explanation :)
00:57 wizzyrea righty o
00:59 jcamins You've looked at the bug on that?
00:59 jcamins @query standing label
00:59 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm
00:59 jcamins That one.
00:59 wahanui that one is, like, down more often than up
01:01 dcook Not recently
01:02 dcook I was thinking that this was probably a non-standard call number
01:02 dcook But now that I think about it...this is coming from a cataloguer that is extraordinarily competent...so maybe it is actually worth adding to the bug...
01:02 dcook It does make me wonder why that regexp exists in the first place...
01:03 * dcook whips out git blame
01:03 tcohen [off] i'm about to reply Vimal Kumar that he won't appear in my future release notes, as I opted to list the current contributor
01:03 jcamins [off] He's whining more?
01:04 tcohen [off] he is
01:04 jcamins dcook: because usually you'd split on /
01:04 mtompset Greetings, #koha jcamins dcook. :)
01:04 tcohen [off] i'm considering telling him o'll propose removing that position in a near future
01:04 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
01:04 jcamins [off] I suggest responding to the list.
01:05 jcamins [off] I *always* respond to complaints on the list.
01:05 dcook jcamins: But this is only looking at the last element in the @parts array :/
01:05 jcamins [off] Okay, that's not true. I usually ignore them.
01:05 tcohen [off] that's a good advise jcamins
01:05 mtompset [off] what position?
01:05 jcamins dcook: oh, right. You said it wasn't in a loop. Okay, that's confusing.
01:05 dcook hey ya mtompset
01:05 tcohen [off] live dvd manager
01:05 jcamins [off] Which do you think? :P
01:06 jcamins [off] Did he release an updated version with the security patch?
01:06 jcamins [off] If not, be sure and mention that.
01:07 tcohen night #koha
01:08 tcohen [off] thanks for the input jcamins
01:08 jcamins Night.
01:08 mtompset Good night.
01:08 wahanui It'll all be over soon...
01:08 dcook You know something we don't know, wahanui?
01:08 wahanui dcook: what?
01:08 dcook Ahh
01:08 * dcook taps his nose
01:08 dcook Always playing the fool :p
01:10 mtompset Oh a happy-ish note... the patch I reconstructed for 6874 for master... applied nicely to 3.12.4 :)
01:10 mtompset Just a tiny bump, related to other patches I was attempting to roll in our special blend. :)
01:11 dcook mtompset: Nice one. Which patch was that?
01:11 mtompset upload/files files for 856$u.
01:11 mtompset upload/delete.
01:11 mtompset It's a handy bug.
01:12 mtompset well, enhancement.
01:12 dcook Neato
01:13 dcook I think it conflicts with a local enhancement we have, but...I'll deal with that when the time comes
01:13 dcook I think the community version is likely 100x better
01:13 mtompset I'm hoping the original author of the bug rebases it, so I don't have to post my attempted reconstruction of it.
01:15 dcook Not entirely sure what to think about this call number:
01:15 dcook 361.250994 REP NO. 11/10
01:15 jcamins o.O
01:15 dcook While the first part is ddc, the last part is entirely local, no?
01:15 jcamins Yes.
01:15 * dcook is a LCC person, so isn't super familiar with DDC
01:16 dcook Well, that makes me feel a bit better at least
01:16 dcook Hence my reluctance to post on the standing bug
01:16 jcamins Yeah.
01:17 jcamins Might as well say something.
01:18 dcook Mmm, true
01:19 dcook So this...
01:19 wahanui somebody said so this was the situation im into
01:19 dcook s/\///g;
01:20 dcook Ah, I see
01:20 dcook Replaces / with nothing
01:20 dcook not even a space
01:20 dcook Which makes sense with DDC
01:36 dcook At 2400 items with these mixed call numbers...not entirely sure what the best bet is..
01:36 dcook Hmm, 130,000 items total...
01:36 dcook Probably choose a different classification scheme for those 2400 items and split differently..
01:38 jcamins Mmm.
01:38 jcamins Hot brownie with green tea ice cream.
01:38 jcamins Delicious even if the brownie is meh.
01:38 * dcook drools
01:38 dcook Ice cream is known to improve many other desserts
01:39 dcook I think I only have stale bread...perhaps it's thai for lunch today...
01:40 jcamins That or pain perdu.
01:42 * jcamins is reminded of that great literary work, A la recherche du pain perdu.
01:43 dcook Pain perdu?
01:43 jcamins French toast.
01:43 dcook Interesting..
01:43 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:43 dcook We call it pain dore in Canada
01:43 dcook Golden bread
01:44 dcook I like pain perdu though...
01:44 dcook Makes sense
01:44 dcook "In Québec, French toast is pain doré 'golden bread.' In Paris, French toast is pain perdu"
01:44 dcook Hmm
01:44 dcook Learn something new every day
02:43 mtompset perdu?!
02:43 mtompset But I thought that was the french word for lost.
02:45 jcamins Yes, and?
02:47 mtompset Somehow is triggered a stargate sg-1 memory, but I can't remember the episode exactly.
02:48 mtompset there was a translation problem Daniel encountered that had a similar confusion.
03:06 mtompset jcamins: How long do you think I should wait on 6874 before posting my attempt at recreating?
03:06 jcamins mtompset: up to you.
03:07 mtompset I couldn't tell... who is the original poster of the patch development?
03:07 jcamins Julian.
03:07 jcamins All patches have authors.
03:07 jcamins On line two or so.
03:09 mtompset There is also an interesting variety in the version numbers on the git patches too (the very last line). :)
03:10 jcamins Yeah, that's because they were generated with different version numbers.
03:10 jcamins However, all versions of git preserve authorship, because that's a significant part of the reason that git exists.
03:11 mtompset Does Julian come here on IRC at all?
03:12 jcamins Occasionally.
03:12 mtompset (not everyone matches up so clearly between IRC and git names)
03:13 jcamins His nick is julian_m, usually.
03:27 dcook I don't know if I've ever read the coding guidelines before...
03:27 dcook Should almost have an automated quiz before being able to submit a patch :p
03:30 wizzyrea heh
03:32 mtompset dcook: I don't think I'd be submitting patches if that were the case. ;)
03:32 dcook It's a pretty good read. It's worth a gander :p
03:33 dcook I think I might need to redo some of my work with new tables to meet the guidelines..
03:36 mtompset coding guidelines?
03:36 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
03:36 mtompset Even wahanui knows them. ;)
03:39 mtompset Well, I'm going to call it a night.
03:40 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook jcamins. :)
04:44 dcook Writing POD is oddly focusing...
04:44 dcook hey ya cait_
04:45 cait_ hi dcook
05:21 cait *grump* went to be with signed off down to 80 - now 85 again! :)
05:21 dcook :S
05:30 * cait pushed down to 84
06:08 * magnuse waves
06:09 dcook hey ya magnuse
06:09 magnuse hiya dcook
06:10 magnuse gah! i forgot to round off gbsd! and collect the numbers
06:10 * magnuse does it now
06:13 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day#Numbers
06:13 magnuse yay, well done folks!
06:14 magnuse needs signoff went from 165 to 141, which makes signed off going from 99 to 84 quite impressive
06:40 reiveune hello
06:41 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:41 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:41 magnuse @wunder boo
06:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:43 reiveune hi dcook magnuse :)
06:43 dcook hey reiveune :)
06:44 * dcook looks at the clock
06:44 dcook But it can't be nearly 5...
06:44 * magnuse suspects it can
06:44 gaetan_B hello
06:45 * magnuse plots ways to keep dcook at work longer
06:45 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
06:46 cait bbiab :)
06:48 dcook Tricksy, magnuse :p
07:13 dcook All right, I think that's late enough magnuse :p
07:13 dcook ta all
07:15 magnuse gah, he escaped...
07:16 kf good morning #koha
07:19 papa heh, good evening
07:21 kf hi papa
07:22 kf i was just wondering about something in one of your patches
07:22 papa ok, we have 5 mins :)
07:22 kf the sip patch for 9611 has a note to accept null passwords
07:23 kf are you sure we want to do that?
07:23 kf and maybe i misread
07:23 kf hm no i see it was there before. ew.
07:23 papa umm, that was not my intention, let me see
07:24 kf I have opened bug 9936 a while ago
07:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/Auth.pm for user authentication
07:24 kf wonder if that would help ther
07:26 papa no idea, I just wanted to complete 9611 :)
07:26 kf understandable
07:26 papa my aim was to preserve :)
07:26 kf yeah also understandable
07:26 kf still you might agree that 9936 would be nice to have :)
07:27 kf and i actually worry a bit about accepting null passwords
07:27 kf hm.
07:27 kf but looks like it was there before
07:27 magnuse bug 9611
07:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
07:27 papa kf: well it is half way there now
07:28 papa or maybe 3/4
07:28 papa depends on how much of that you want
07:28 kf thx for all your sign offs btw papa++ :)
07:28 kf morning paul_p
07:28 papa mu pleasure
07:28 papa my even
07:28 kf :)
07:29 papa gotta go, have a nice day all of you
07:29 paul_p hello #koha ! I'm back from vacation this morning :\
07:29 kf had a nice one?
07:29 kf bye papa - have a nice evneing :)
07:29 paul_p papa = do you know that in french papa=daddy ?
07:29 kf nah, now too slow
07:29 kf in German too :)
07:33 magnuse and pappa in norwegian :-)
07:34 magnuse welcome back paul_p
07:58 * magnuse started a "koha in norway" facebook group on friday - 31 members so far
08:01 kf very cool
08:01 drojf rgood morning #koha
08:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:01 kf morning drojf
08:01 drojf hi kf and magnuse
08:03 magnuse moin drojf
08:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:47 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.0°C (10:43 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:47 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:47 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (10:45 AM CEST on August 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:00 mtj oooh, just spotted this -> http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliography/2013/08/06/german-national-library-offers-over-11-million-marc21-records-under-cc0-open-license
09:01 kf hi mtj :)
09:01 magnuse hi mtj
09:01 mtj kf, thats good news for you ^^ :p
09:01 magnuse dnb++
09:02 kf mtj: it is good news, but also:
09:02 kf https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start
09:02 kf Especially this: https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:swb
09:03 kf mtj: that's our data :)
09:05 magnuse Linked_Open_Data++
09:05 magnuse just wait until rangi and i finnish our rdf projects... ;-)
09:05 magnuse or finish...
09:06 * Guest4505 slaps csharp around a bit with a large fishbot
09:09 mtj kf, thats awesome, and a 1st for me
09:10 mtj i've never seen anyone provide dumps of their MARC data
09:20 kf it's kind of a trend here in Germany i think
09:21 kf linked open data
09:22 mtj magnuse, i have been seeing a bit of chatter about RDF on #koha, but i still need to read more about it
09:24 mtj i think germany might be a 1st for MARC records, afaik
09:25 kf mtj: i think rdf data is planned
09:26 mtj (the only other site i know that does MARC data-dumping is internet-archive/open-library)
09:26 mtj awesome :)
09:28 magnuse gutenberg does marc and rdf: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Offline_Catalogs#MARC_Records_.28automatically_generated.29
09:28 rangi a bunch of unis do too
09:29 magnuse i'd say a ton of marc records converted to rdf is less interesting than the software used to convert it to marc...
09:29 rangi umich is one
09:29 magnuse gah! s/convert it to marc/convert it to rdf/
09:33 mtj rangi, thats good to hear
09:35 mtj i guess a bunch of the places that are contributing to OL are providing their own dumps, on their servers
09:40 kf mtj: could you reply to the new poll for a qa team meeting? I think it got a bit lost
09:40 kf sent it last thursday to koha-devel
09:40 mtj oops, yes sorry
09:41 kf mtj: :) gmcharlt is the only one who replied so far - you just happened to be there
09:41 kf hoping to restart the thread
09:55 kf mtj: 19 or 15 utc? ;) i guess 19 :)
09:55 kf thx for answreing :)
09:59 mtj yeah, 19 UTC for kiwis, i think
10:00 kf i thought so - it's really hard to find a time for our group
10:00 kf if that doesn't work out, i will try to make more use of the mailing list
10:01 kf I'd just have liked to have a meeting to get things started a bit
10:05 mtj yeah, its tricky alright
10:08 mtj (kf, thanks heaps for all your effort in organising this)
10:09 kf mtj: i feel it's maybe a bit late... but better late than never maybe :)
10:15 mtj no no, not too late :)
11:05 Viktor I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details..
11:06 Viktor Is this weirdness a feature I'm not aware of? :)
11:17 kf Viktor: hm they got renamed a while ago, maybe a leftover inconsistency
11:18 kf are there 2 or 3 phone number fields?
11:18 Viktor 3 - primar, secondary and other
11:18 Viktor (in staff)
11:19 kf ah taht sounds right
11:19 Viktor Is there supposed to be no "mobile" field anymore kf?
11:21 Viktor I'm a little worried about where to fetch the numbers for SMS services in the future. I guess we want to store it in the right field from the start..
11:37 kf Viktor: pick one and make that your mobile field
11:37 kf there is also an sms alertnumber... that only shows up when you have sms notices activated I think
11:37 kf we haven't used that, but if you agree on a field in th library that you use for mobile it should be fine
11:37 kf just trying not to mix up numbers :)
11:37 kf and field descripotions can be changed using jquery
11:43 Viktor Thanks kf !
11:43 Viktor Knowing that notifications lights up when using SMS is good!
11:44 kf i think there is an additional field showing up when activating that
11:44 kf but we are not using sms - so i can't help more there than that I think
12:01 Viktor kf Thanks! Just knowing this makes me sleep better :) And sorry - lost my wifi while hooking up some hardware and had to share a 3G hotspot from the phone.
12:02 kf Viktor: if you have the data somewhere, not mixed up - there is not much to worry about i think
12:02 kf even moving from one field to another is easy to do with sql
12:02 Viktor kf :)
12:12 magnuse hm, the borrowers table has a "mobile" column, but the description says "the other phone number for your patron/borrower's primary address"
12:14 oleonard Are you asking why it's called mobile if that's the description?
12:15 magnuse trying to follow up on this: <Viktor> I noted that the field "mobile phone" is called "other phone" in staff interface when editing, but displayed as "secondary phone" on the details..
12:18 magnuse looks like bug 5252 changed the labels of the fields in the ui
12:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Emails & Phones On Patron Add/Edit form
12:19 magnuse i guess the real question is which field the sms code looks in...
12:20 oleonard Yes, the labels on the patron detail page are switched with regard to the patron edit screen
12:21 oleonard But no field should be specifically connected to "mobile." I hope the SMS code looks for "primary"
12:21 * magnuse tries to check
12:22 magnuse C4::SMS::send_sms() just takes a phone number as an argument
12:22 jcamins That doesn't seem right.
12:22 magnuse trying to find where it gets called
12:22 jcamins Primary is traditionally a landline.
12:22 jcamins SMS is mobile-only.
12:22 kf oleonard: i tihnk the sms code looks for another field that is normally not visible
12:22 kf smsalertnumber or similar
12:22 oleonard jcamins: Tradition is old-fashioned
12:22 kf it shows up below the the messaging options iirc when you have an sms driver put in
12:23 oleonard Yeah, that's right
12:23 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but all the old data is going to have landlines marked as primary.
12:24 oleonard As kf reminds us the point is moot
12:24 magnuse kf++
12:24 oleonard The "primary phone" has to be whatever the patron wants as primary, whether it is mobile or land line
12:25 magnuse smsalertnumber - the mobile phone number where the patron/borrower would like to receive notices (if SNS turned on)
12:25 oleonard That's why we renamed it "primary"
12:25 * jcamins had already finished typing by the time he saw kf's message. ;)
12:25 oleonard Unfortunately the OPAC still labels the "other phone" filed "mobile." We're not doing a very good job at keeping up with our own changes.
12:26 kf oleonard: ture
12:26 kf they keep slipping in I think
12:26 kf back in... with new patches
12:27 oleonard [off] "I'm installing Koha using the instructions I made up. Why isn't it working?"
12:28 magnuse [off] LOL!
12:30 kf [off] epic.
12:30 kf hm
12:30 kf i thought i had seen a bug report for adding statistical itemtypes...
12:30 kf but can't find it!
12:31 kf and now I did :) all it needed was saying that on #koha i guess
12:31 kf bug 7716
12:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type
12:31 magnuse hehe
12:31 magnuse huh? hard coded turkish strings? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=sms/sms_listen.pl;h=b36b25da46baa3e49b9c0ae77dbf40fa8f3715c8;hb=HEAD#l68
12:33 magnuse (according to google translate)
12:34 tcohen morning
12:34 oleonard "SMS - widespread cleanup and moving code away from Cyprus/Turkey-specific implementation. Much more needed."
12:35 oleonard Much more indeed.
12:35 kf hi tcohen :)
12:40 oleonard kf: Bug 9603 re-signed-off
12:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE
12:56 tcohen [off] ok, i've been digging on vimal's work
12:56 tcohen [off] i think i should name him as live dvd manager for 3.12.x in the release notes
12:57 tcohen [off] but a warning about synergy with the community is needed
12:57 jcamins [off] I have no objection, but, out of curiosity, why?
12:57 tcohen [off] he's been actually setting the live dvd after the 3.12.0 release
12:58 kf oleonard-away: thx :)
12:58 tcohen [off] I agree zero-synergy is a problem
12:59 tcohen [off] but he's name deserves to be mentioned (at least) more than 3.14.x's manager
12:59 jcamins [off] Oh, so he actually did release a DVD with the security fix?
13:01 kf [off] i am ok with naming the people that actually do the work :)
13:14 kf bgkriegel++
13:45 jcamins [off] /me chuckles at drojf's e-mail.
13:46 drojf hi #koha
13:46 druthb drojf!
13:46 drojf druthb! :)
13:47 drojf erm
13:47 drojf maybe the wifi just hates irc
13:47 drojf it worked fine all day
13:47 drojf or bad karma for being unfriendly on the mailing list
13:51 * kf goes to check the mailing list
13:51 kf drojf! druthb!
13:51 drojf kf!
13:52 druthb kf!
13:59 kf oleonard-away: hm ping?
13:59 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658
13:59 Viktor drojf whose wifi? Since I mentioned my wifi a little while ago the "unfriendly on the mailing list" part worries me a bit as I've not been on the list at all.
14:00 Viktor And thanks for looking into the whole phone number thing people!
14:01 drojf Viktor: my wifi at university. i lose connection here a lot
14:02 drojf i don't think you get bad karma for not being on the list ;)
14:02 drojf but who knows… :D
14:03 Viktor droj My connection has dropped a lot today too :/
14:03 kf jcamins++ :)
14:04 Viktor drojf Let's hope not :) I do read the translate list, but I've gotta check if I'm on the main list. I've been getting zero mails from that one lately..
14:04 drojf Viktor: do you have eduroam by any chance? ;)
14:05 Viktor drojf No - but I do recognize it in a slightly unflattering way.
14:07 mtompset Good reply, drojf. :)
14:07 druthb hi, mtompset!
14:07 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
14:08 drojf hi mtompset
14:08 drojf not too unfriendly?
14:09 mtompset No, drojf. Though, I really think that people can't grasp the idea that "free support" works best with "follow the official instructions".
14:10 drojf he's not the first to try the "i'll do it my way until people refuse to help" thing *sigh*
14:11 mtompset I'm sure the person who shall not be named that I am sure we are thinking of will tell him how to do it all wrong. ;)
14:11 drojf lol
14:12 mtompset Though, I did update the tarball instructions for ubuntu recently, so that the whole dselect mess is gone and replaced with the nice "sudo apt-get install koha-deps koha-perldeps"
14:13 mtompset I suspect the person forgot to set __KOHA_USER__ and __KOHA_GROUP__ before the build.
14:14 drojf that is the part i don't get. if you want to install with tarball… there are instructions for that too, on the wiki. why is it that people think they should do that "frozen snapshot of how i at one point installed koha" thing and send the link to everybody?
14:14 mtompset But I'm hoping he will realize there are actually official tarball instructions which state that.
14:16 mtompset Exactly, drojf. Every release, you should to check the instructions again for the installation. Not that they will need updating, but sometimes they do.
14:16 mtompset And it's the official wiki one's that get updated the most frequently.
14:17 drojf anyway. gotta finish some things and head home. later, #koha
14:23 mtompset Out of curiosity, will Koha be making a wheezy repository?
14:24 mtompset Because I am sure someone, somewhere is going to think they know better and change the koha.list entry to say wheezy and not squeeze.
14:26 mtompset @seen gmcharlt
14:26 huginn` mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: * gmcharlt backs away slowly from druthb
14:26 mtompset Look what you did, druthb. ;)
14:27 druthb lulz
14:27 druthb @quote random
14:27 huginn` druthb: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013)
14:27 druthb I skeered him off.
14:28 mtompset And you done it good too.
14:28 mtompset which bot does @later?
14:29 jcamins huginn
14:32 mtompset Thanks, jcamins.
14:35 * kf wonders that druthb did and if gmcharlt really managed to escape...
14:35 * druthb didn't do anythin!
14:35 druthb I'm not scary! I'm a sweetie!
14:36 kf well evidence so far says you were the last to see him...
14:36 kf doesn't look good for you
14:36 mtompset So when I suggested INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single} and gmcharlt said it was "too much, IMO -- at least at the top level", do you think he meant INSTALL.{dev|single|standard}.{OS} is a better ordering, but not necessarily that as the final solution?
14:36 jcamins No, he meant that it's too much.
14:36 jcamins INSTALL.{OS} is more than enough.
14:37 mtompset given the people posting on the mailing list, I don't think so.
14:37 jcamins Well, look at it this way: would any of those people read the 15 documents you're proposing to write?
14:37 jcamins (hint: no)
14:38 mtompset Valid counter point.
14:38 jcamins Also, we shouldn't be recommending single.
14:39 mtompset True.
14:39 jcamins It has no practical use, and will only cause maintenance problems.
14:40 mtompset Which reminds me... We've got 3 install.ubuntu type instructions in Koha right now, and I suppose I can work to prune clean them up for 3.14 today. :)
14:41 jcamins Good plan.
14:41 kf druthb: you are safe - gmcharlt is pushing patches ;)
14:41 druthb yay!
14:42 * druthb gets off the phone with the FBI; she won't be going into Witness Protection after all.
14:42 * mtompset laughs.
14:42 mtompset kf, are you sure it really is gmcharlt and not some automated process?
14:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #66 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:42 mtompset druthb is our prime suspect. ;)
14:43 gmcharlt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
14:43 mtompset So are we the host or guest environment, gmcharlt? ;)
14:44 druthb mtompset: if gmcharlt answers "yes", then suspect a bot.
14:44 gmcharlt mu
14:45 druthb ooooh. A bot that's been programmed with the jargon file.
14:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1388 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90cf2f3a265a741bc4d475077dc3a604a08e6192>
14:47 mtompset Are we aiming for a name-based or port-based installation from source?
14:47 druthb I would say "aliens have replaced gmcharlt with a bot", but in Seattle—angry baristas are more likely than aliens.
14:48 mtompset Don't you mean the cult of dagon which is somehow connected to the two tailed mermaid?
14:50 gmcharlt mu
14:50 druthb Naah, those are all myths, like honest politicians and CEOs who are in it for the greater good. Angry baristas and hipsters are a known phenom, and they congregate in the Pacific Northwest.
14:52 oleonard kf: I'm back
15:00 kf oleonard: jcamins helped me out with some jquery :)
15:00 * kf hands oleonard a cookie anyway
15:05 oleonard [off] I'm sure it's going to be *my* email to the list that finally convinces him to use existing documentation
15:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e1ccd68aa0642167c2578d167ff3ec343df3a78> / Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75959da681ae5f78e70dfd7205a22d16fd28ae38> / Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
15:20 tcohen [off] can we filter a FQDN in mailman?
15:21 mtompset tcohen++ # great idea!
15:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #66: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/66/
15:22 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage
15:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage
15:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #67 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:22 mtompset [off] silly me, I replied again. :)
15:27 jcamins oleonard: has FF always spazzed out about Koha's CSS?
15:27 oleonard Spazzed out?
15:28 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "FF is cranky" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/187
15:28 jcamins The display looks completely normal to me, but I don't remember ever noticing two screens full of CSS warnings.
15:28 jcamins Before.
15:28 oleonard Yeah I think that's pretty standard
15:29 jcamins Okay.
15:29 oleonard Our CSS isn't fully valid because of hacks and vendor-specific stuff
15:29 jcamins Okay.
15:29 jcamins I guess I just never had CSS warnings set to display.
15:30 oleonard You need to have your CSS warnings display option set to "Global Warming Denier"
15:37 mtompset [off] tcohen: temper temper! Hope you don't have high blood pressure problems. :)
15:37 druthb tcohen++
15:43 gaetan_B bye !
15:45 kf bye all :)
15:51 reiveune bye
15:54 tcohen [off] mtompset: yeah, i noted my mood after hitting 'send'. I'll skip every mail from that hilton guy
15:56 mtompset [off] I already told him that he's likely to get less help if he doesn't do it the way the community advises. He reminds me of the Paul that we'd rather not think about.
15:59 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #67: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/67/
15:59 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
15:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests
15:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode
15:59 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo
15:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
15:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
16:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1388: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1388/
16:00 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10645: adding missing zebra languages to koha-create manpage
16:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10645 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Missing zebra languages in koha-create manpage
16:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1389 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:05 tcohen websockets for writing a circulation dashboard with fancy graphics?
16:05 jcamins tcohen++
16:06 tcohen jcamins, have you done smth like that in perl?
16:06 jcamins tcohen: nope.
16:06 tcohen (node + socket.io would do it simpler i know)
16:07 jcamins Actually, I'm using sockjs.
16:07 jcamins It is very nice.
16:07 jcamins sockjs.ohdidyouwantthattobecomplicatedsorryiamactuallydonesettingupwebsocketswhydontyougohavesomecoffee()
16:08 tcohen oh, i'll take a look
16:08 jcamins But that's for node.js.
16:08 jcamins Oh, look at that: https://github.com/vti/sockjs-perl
16:09 jcamins Also, https://github.com/vti/pocketio
16:25 * drojf is siding with tcohen and considering the hilton guy a spammer
16:25 cait drojf: and a robot?
16:25 wahanui a robot is mean :)
16:26 drojf what? did i miss the fun part? :D
16:27 drojf noo, robots are cool. he's not a robot
16:28 jcamins tcohen: the consensus seems to be that a node front-end is the way to go. :P
16:33 drojf [off] hm. cooking or writing angry emails to idiots
16:34 drojf [off] cooking it is. ;)
16:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc7b5b10e737cc34452dfc6c061cd7c893f08983>
16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #68 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:43 oleonard wahanui: Who told you a robot is mean?
16:43 wahanui no idea, oleonard
16:43 oleonard wahanui: For a bot who is designed to remember things you have a terrible memory
16:43 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, oleonard
16:44 drojf he remembers some things
16:44 drojf confetti?
16:44 wahanui i think confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
16:44 drojf hm. now i forgot how to do it
16:44 drojf :/
16:44 druthb germs?
16:44 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
16:44 drojf confetti!
16:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:44 jcamins more conefetti!
16:44 jcamins more confetti!
16:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
16:45 jcamins It helps to spell correctly.
16:45 drojf :)
16:45 druthb anyone?
16:45 wahanui anyone is probably free to organize one at any time :-)
16:45 druthb :P
16:45 druthb wahanui: botsnack internet trolls, with ketchup.
16:45 wahanui :)
16:46 druthb Do not meddle in the affairs of #koha, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.
16:51 drojf everyone tastes good with ketchup
16:51 jcamins Yeah, but trolls taste better.
16:51 * druthb watches drojf carefully.
16:51 cait druthb: jsut tell him you are not gluten free
16:51 druthb !
16:52 * drojf hides behind the huge bottle of ketchup
16:52 * druthb eats another slice of bread, just to make sure.
16:52 drojf lol
16:53 * druthb is in a silly, silly mood today.
16:53 mtompset druthb: We never did confirm completely that gmcharlt isn't a bot.
16:53 drojf i think that dvd person is demanding a duel
16:53 mtompset So this is looking like a serial scaring.
16:53 druthb I saw him post on Facebook earlier, mtompset, so I think he's really himself.
16:54 cait bbl #koha
16:54 cait don't eat anyone without me
16:54 jcamins Sacre bleu! Lisp parentheses at twenty paces!
16:54 cait i want my share :P
16:54 mtompset That's what a serial scare-ist would say. :P
16:54 * druthb gives mtompset the ebil eye.
16:54 jcamins Wow, he's really gunning for a slap-down.
16:55 mtompset Where is ebil, so I can give him his eye back? :P
16:55 mtompset Lisp parentheses at twenty paces?
16:55 druthb jcamins: Vimal, or mtompset? or both?
16:55 druthb "He"—pronoun without referent.
16:56 jcamins The former, though if mtompset doesn't watch out, he may find himself with a cyclopsian eye facing off against a lisp parenthesis-armed druthb.
16:56 mtompset Could be someone who wrote a whacky long Lisp statement.
16:56 drojf slaps for ever-he-one
16:57 drojf maybe it's full moon on the list
16:57 drojf if the wiki guy and the dvd guy team up they will be unstoppable
16:58 druthb [off] a juggernaut of cluelessness!
16:58 mtompset [off] why not add Paul for a trinity?
16:59 mtompset Where is this lisp thing you are referring to jcamins?
17:00 druthb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)
17:00 mtompset druthb: I know what lisp is, but jcamins' reaction made it sound like he had just read some scary long lisp.
17:01 jcamins mtompset: http://xkcd.com/297/
17:02 mtompset Oh. I was hoping for some scary awesome code.
17:03 druthb http://xkcd.com/224/
17:03 * magnuse waves his hands around like a maniac in hope of fitting in
17:03 druthb hi, magnuse! :)
17:04 * druthb offers her favorite Norwegian a cookie.
17:04 magnuse druthb!
17:04 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:04 magnuse om nom nom nom
17:05 magnuse yay for hacking things together with perl
17:05 mtompset Yes, 224 was a good xkcd. :)
17:06 magnuse ay t'is true
17:06 oleonard having_your_world_view_validated_by_xkcd++
17:06 magnuse heh
17:07 mtompset http://xkcd.com/1254/
17:08 mtompset I just thought the comment "I have no idea how you use technology" is applicable to some of the recent mailing list posts. ;)
17:09 drojf you mean mine? :P
17:09 * drojf trolls back on the list
17:11 mtompset [off] drojf: No, I mean the clueless wiki guy. "What's SEO? Oh, and here's my link."
17:11 * jcamins was genuinely offended by that message. So offended he responded.
17:14 drojf good point jcamins, i did not even think about the end of his term. i thought telling him to send a patch would take care of everything
17:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1389: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1389/
17:14 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10719 - UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
17:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10719: (follow-up) clear existing loans before running circ tests
17:14 drojf [off] by making him shout at everyone and be ignored forever
17:14 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9820: display titles in MARC21 name headings better in XSLT mode
17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , UT GetUpcomingDueIssues
17:14 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9820 follow-up: fix a typo
17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Missing space between 100/700 $a and $c (MARC21/XSLT)
17:15 jcamins drojf: yeah, there's actually a reason he's not on the release notes.
17:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1390 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:18 mtompset -- cause he didn't RELEASE a newer version. :P
17:18 tcohen lol
17:19 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #68: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/68/
17:19 jenkins_koha Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm
17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests
17:21 mtompset What are the two meanings of RM? 3.x.0 vs. 3.x.y?
17:22 jcamins There's only one meaning. RM = Release Manager. RMaint = Release Maintainer. Sometimes people misspeak.
17:23 mtompset So the RM is responsible for 3.x.0 and on? While the RMaint is only responsible for helping the RM for 3.x.1 and on?
17:24 jcamins Yeah, though thankfully after 3.x.0 most RMaints don't bother the poor, having-suffered RM much.
17:24 drojf because they are burned out
17:25 tcohen We RMaint are just boureaucrats, RM do the juicy job
17:25 jcamins Oh heck yes are we ever.
17:25 tcohen .-P
17:26 drojf ah so dvd guy missed out on all the important release not fun because we did not have that position in there at all before?
17:26 cait noone ever talks about the qa people...
17:26 drojf *release note fun
17:26 jcamins Pretty much.
17:27 jcamins And because he is not really present in the community at all so no one remembered to add him during his term.
17:27 drojf cait: that is to trick you into becoming release manager later :P
17:27 jcamins drojf: sneaky!
17:27 cait hah
17:27 jcamins Diabolical, even.
17:27 jcamins I think cait is too smart.
17:28 cait right now i am trying nto to suffocate from coughing
17:28 cait when i survive whatever kind of crazy cold that is,...
17:28 cait no probably not even then.
17:28 drojf jcamins: oh. so he did it all for nothing but personal joy. funny, how that free software thing works. :P
17:29 tcohen [off] oh oh
17:34 * druthb hands wiffle bats to tcohen and jcamins.
17:34 * magnuse wonders if anyone is sending SMSes from koha...
17:35 jcamins magnuse: check with khall. I think he said that he has a library that is.
17:39 jcamins git?
17:39 wahanui i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
17:41 * jcamins takes this opportunity to say that live dvds are a bad idea.
17:41 * magnuse makes a note of that
17:42 * drojf prints a t-shirt of that
17:42 mtompset By the way, who is Nguyen Quoc Uy?
17:42 jcamins Someone who volunteered to be Live DVD Manager and hasn't been around since, I think.
17:42 drojf i'd be up for deleting that position completely
17:42 drojf or i will switch to plan b
17:43 drojf it's probably not nice to delete a position we elected someone for?
17:43 jcamins Probably not.
17:44 mtompset I agree. Though, if Nguyen Quoc Uy doesn't release a live DVD, but VKV does, then we probably should note VKV.
17:44 drojf ok then i'll have to run for next live dvd manager
17:44 jcamins I'm hearing a lot of talk, not a lot of live dvd releasing.
17:44 tcohen please drojf
17:44 drojf and forget to release. in return, i won't complain if you forget me in the release notes
17:51 druthb We can't forget drojf! nope nope nope!
17:51 druthb wahanui will remember for us.
17:51 wahanui druthb: huh?
17:51 druthb wahanui: drojf?
17:51 wahanui hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
17:52 mtompset drojf: Are you still doing the Raspberry pi thing?
17:57 * magnuse is tempted into troll-bashing instead of doing useful things
17:58 * druthb hands magnuse a spare wiffle-bat
17:58 magnuse yay!
17:58 * magnuse recommends "Trollhunter" to everyone: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/
17:59 druthb oooh.
17:59 magnuse it will be mandatory viewing before coming to kohacon in norway some time in the future, so you might as well watch it now
18:00 druthb "Trollhunter" sounds like a lovely name for a Scandinavian death-metal band, perhaps with one or two metal umlauts.
18:00 jcamins Tröllhüntër?
18:01 druthb perfect!
18:01 wahanui perfect is the enemy of good
18:01 * druthb nominated jcamins for lead bassist.
18:02 magnuse that reminds me of http://skuls.no/
18:03 magnuse don't be afraid of admitting it if you don't get the joke ;-)
18:04 druthb are all of those really bands, magnuse?
18:05 jcamins Google translate can't handle that.
18:05 magnuse nope, not at all :-)
18:05 druthb Didn't think so. GT totally fussed about some of those terms.
18:05 magnuse the words are office, haridryer, earwarmer, brussel sprouts, backpack etc
18:06 druthb LOL
18:06 magnuse everyday norwegian words
18:07 magnuse but they do *look* like real bands, though ;-)
18:07 druthb That is the kind of thing, though… you get a nice metally-sounding word, to the English ear, and run with it… "enhjørning", maybe, or "kjæresten". And make Norwegians giggle.
18:08 * druthb waits for it.
18:09 druthb It's all in the *font*
18:09 magnuse :-)
18:10 druthb sssh…gotta quit talking about talljoy! She's here.
18:10 magnuse oops, that was close
18:11 drojf oops. hi talljoy, nobody called you a haarföner
18:12 * druthb takes drojf's wiffle bat away.
18:13 drojf I am not trying to under estimate the role of developers.
18:13 drojf wow. i'm getting that stitched on a pillow case
18:14 oleonard This is a grumpy day on the mailing list--and not without reason.
18:14 * talljoy perks up and finds her norwegian dictionary
18:15 talljoy a hairdryer?
18:15 drojf oh no a library type of person, owning book /o\
18:15 jcamins talljoy: I think hairdryer.
18:15 druthb better watch out, talljoy. The silly runs deep today.
18:15 drojf books
18:15 oleonard Quick, someone post a message to the list suggesting we ditch the list in favor of a Google Group
18:15 drojf lol
18:15 talljoy google hangout? yay!
18:16 drojf google hairdryer
18:16 magnuse oleonard: there is already a linked in group. it's pretty, um hairy
18:16 oleonard Motto: "Google knows if you're having a bad hair day"
18:16 magnuse [off] and yes, mr bad instructions guy posted his link there too
18:17 jcamins [off] Along with other spam.
18:17 * oleonard finally ditched his LinkedIn account after finding it useless
18:20 drojf who runs the linkedin group? if things like that are run by anyone (never had an account there or know anything about it)
18:21 tcohen bye #koha. have a nice trollday
18:21 drojf lol
18:21 drojf cu tcohen
18:21 mtompset bye tcohen.
18:22 oleonard if the Live DVD is necessary because people can't be bothered to install Koha normally, why are they expected to do manual upgrades?
18:22 jcamins Shhhh!!!!
18:23 mtompset DOH! I was just typing that.
18:23 jcamins Shhh?
18:23 magnuse drojf: someone probably started the group, but they might not do a whole lot of running, i expect
18:26 drojf please feed the troll or it will die. we don't want that ;)
18:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1390: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1390/
18:29 jenkins_koha Kenza Zaki: Bug 10528: add unit tests for C4::Bookseller.pm
18:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10528 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: C4::Bookseller.pm needs unit tests
18:32 drojf [off] is it my turn again on the list? :P
18:34 * cait hands out bowls with popcorn
18:34 jcamins [off] Nah, I think we've pretty much finished that discussion.
18:34 cait [off] no popcorn?
18:35 jcamins [off] Nope.
18:36 drojf [off] jcamins: i think you overestimate the role of developers within the process of making koha
18:37 drojf [off] and that of release managers :P
18:37 jcamins [off] and the role of developers in providing support, yes.
18:37 cait [off] puts away the bowls of popcorn sighing deeply.
18:38 drojf hahahaha
18:38 drojf rofl
18:39 drojf now we are talking
18:39 drojf [off] so who of you had an old aol address lying around?
18:39 * cait hmpf
18:40 mtompset I just sent a reply.
18:41 mtompset I'll stop feeding the troll now.
18:41 drojf [off] i think i'm not going to have my nice, imported, expensive gluten-free beer with that discussion :D
18:41 oleonard Have y'all seen Bug 10212 in action?
18:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables
18:42 mtompset [off] not? Or do you mean you will?
18:42 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/8nkouqnTKLY
18:42 oleonard I think the "show / hide columns" button clutters things up a bit, but I'm curious what others think
18:43 cait oleonard: looking now :)
18:43 drojf [off] mtompset: not. i might come back to that if i switch to cheap schnapps :P
18:43 oleonard The enhancement also lets you set a system-wide configuration hiding specific columns in the specified tables.
18:43 drojf hm i lost flash for some reasons
18:43 drojf so i can't see it
18:43 oleonard Yeah, sorry about the Flash dependency
18:43 cait oleonard: i think it looks nice actually - if we have the search above the table it might fit somewhere next to that?
18:44 jcamins I think that's okay.
18:44 mtompset Oh, that is a cool feature.
18:44 magnuse nice
18:44 mtompset (just from the screen cast)
18:44 oleonard Joubu++ # for that feature
18:45 magnuse Joubu++ agreed!
18:46 mtompset Though, is there a way to make it not hidable?
18:46 drojf ha, firefox just has a new weird way of dealing with flash
18:46 mtompset Un-checking everything wouldn't make sense.
18:46 oleonard mtompset: Yes, in that example the "renew" and "check in" columns are not hidable
18:47 cait translatability? :)
18:48 drojf oh nice feature
18:48 oleonard I presume the configuration menu pulls the column names from the table cait
18:48 oleonard I raised a different translation issue on the bug report
18:48 cait sorry, bit behind with my bug mails
18:51 oleonard khall around?
18:52 oleonard @seen bag
18:52 huginn` oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 5 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <bag> heya wizzyrea
18:54 * magnuse tries to upgrade to 3.12.4 and is reminded that eythian is on holiday :-)
18:56 mtompset magnuse: You could roll your own, while he is on holiday. :)
18:58 drojf or use a livedvd. you never have to update a livedvd
18:58 * drojf hides
18:58 magnuse lol...
18:58 magnuse mtompset: i know, but i don't think i will bother
18:59 mtompset out of curiosity... when the tar.gz is released for a Koha release, there is always a new "vX.YY.ZZ" type tag created, right?
18:59 jcamins mtompset: yes.
18:59 mtompset How do you now the most current tag that was added?
19:00 jcamins git describe
19:02 mtompset Thanks.
19:04 rangi eek
19:05 oleonard Oh no we forgot to warn rangi not to read his email
19:08 rangi yeah :(
19:08 drojf oops
19:08 drojf beer? ;)
19:09 rangi heh
19:12 rangi im gonna have to do a blog post i think
19:13 rangi called
19:13 rangi 'helping because you want to, vs helping because you want credit'
19:13 rangi there are 2 examples of the latter one in todays mail
19:13 jcamins "You don't get credit for not showing up"?
19:15 drojf "you don't get credit if you are un-helping"
19:18 * cait just eats the popcorn now.
19:18 rangi *sigh*
19:18 rangi 'commercial ils'
19:18 * magnuse thinks cait does the right thing
19:18 rangi I'll bite
19:18 jcamins I think I missed that message.
19:19 * cait offers rangi popcorn
19:19 jcamins I think I'm glad of that.
19:20 drojf looks like i missed that too
19:21 magnuse it's in the questionnaire message
19:21 jcamins Oh, yeah, I ignore all requests for survey filling out.
19:22 oleonard "Please prove that libraries can really use Koha." Maybe look at a world map?
19:22 magnuse map?
19:22 wahanui i heard map was new in koha
19:22 magnuse koha map?
19:22 magnuse world map?
19:22 magnuse koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
19:22 magnuse koha map?
19:22 wahanui koha map is at http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha
19:23 drojf i did not even see that message. and it sounds like it will lead to something great like that other "study"
19:24 mtompset How do we update data points on the koha map?
19:25 mtompset I can think of two more in the Phlippines which aren't listed. :)
19:25 oleonard You have to register on that site and submit them--not sure if you can do that on behalf of someone else's library.
19:26 drojf yes you can, you just have to make up some stuff ;)
19:27 magnuse yup
19:28 oleonard Scandalous!
19:28 drojf i am not sending another mail for the closing of kohacon14 proposals. i will send one when august is over for the whole world. objections?
19:29 mtompset when does it close?
19:29 drojf end of august
19:30 mtompset how many mails did you send?
19:30 * magnuse thought it was september 15?
19:30 drojf we did not set a utc time. i'll just announce it's argentina or death when august is over for everyone
19:30 drojf i think 3
19:30 mtompset (I vaguely recall one)
19:30 drojf that was to vote
19:30 drojf propose untik end of august, vote mid-september
19:30 drojf *until
19:30 drojf given we will only have one entry we could do that earlier maybe
19:31 drojf so they know and can start getting used to being kohacon hosts ;)
19:31 magnuse "submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October" http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/koha_irc_meeting_10_7_13.2013-07-10-10.06.log.html#l-196
19:31 drojf oh
19:31 drojf really
19:31 drojf ouch
19:31 drojf thanks, brain
19:31 magnuse #action drojf will send a reminder for people to get in their proposals by September 15
19:31 drojf magnuse++
19:31 magnuse ;-)
19:31 drojf funny how that changed in my head
19:31 magnuse i took the liberty of adding it to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_11_September_2013
19:31 drojf i was completely sure about it
19:32 magnuse hehe
19:32 drojf hm i must have mixed it up with doind another anouncement bevore end of last month, or something
19:32 drojf thanks. that would have been embarassing
19:33 mtompset How much does it cost to host a KohaCon?
19:33 jcamins mtompset: depends on how expensive your ideas are.
19:34 drojf you mean time, or money? :D
19:34 mtompset money, of course.
19:35 * magnuse wanders off
19:35 drojf don't know. you could ask people that already did one.
19:35 mtompset Hmmm... that comment made me think of slef. Haven't heard from slef in ages. :)
19:35 oleonard Maybe the "date acquired" field *doesn't* need to have a size of "67" ?
19:35 rambutan @seen slef
19:35 huginn` rambutan: slef was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <slef> kf speed?
19:36 drojf mtompset: see what happens when you host a kohacon ;)
19:37 mtompset Hmmm... Probably won't happen, but I'll see what my colleagues think of hosting it in the Philippines.
19:38 rambutan mtompset: start the discussion now so that it can happen in 3-5 years?
19:38 rangi you need a venue, for a week
19:39 mtompset Rangi, that wouldn't be a problem. How many people show up for KohaCon?
19:39 rangi big enough for 150+ people, good internet
19:39 druthb Preferably in a place *not* the subject of travel-safety alerts. Good air connections are a plus.
19:40 mtompset I'll have to ask about how many people can sit in the two conference rooms.
19:40 drojf non-adventurous druthb is non-adventurous.
19:40 druthb :P not that at all.
19:41 mtompset No, I'm thinking Quezon City, Manila.
19:41 * druthb just has no desire to be assaulted while on professional travel.
19:41 druthb (or worse, arrested for who-I-am, which rules out *most* of the Middle East as a destination for me.)
19:41 drojf i keep my being assaultet strictly to my private travel too :D
19:41 mtompset Sadly, the guest house only holds probably 50 or people, but there are external hotels.
19:42 druthb drojf: There's slightly over 1/8 of the earth's inhabitable land area that I am *not* gonna go to, and that's just one country.
19:43 druthb Russia, most of the Middle East, most of Africa—no-go for me, regrettably.
19:43 drojf not much koha there either
19:43 rangi for me, this years kohacons is probably the most dangerous place it has been
19:43 rambutan mtompset: I see there's a koha library in Angeles City, could they host? There's lots of amenities/lodging there.
19:43 mtompset I don't know them.
19:43 mtompset But like I said, I'd have to talk with my colleagues.
19:43 rangi mtompset: but yeah it might be worth working on a bid for 2015
19:44 rambutan I'd love to go crawl around the lahar fields again.
19:44 rangi unlikely to be able to pull one together for 2014
19:44 rangi but id def go to the philipines in 2015 :)
19:44 drojf you are going to europe in 2015
19:44 mtompset I'm not making promises.
19:44 drojf :P
19:44 rangi hehe, ok 2016 :)
19:46 mtompset 3:45pm already?!
19:46 mtompset I better start getting ready to close.
19:46 mtompset Have a troll-free starting .... now... day, #koha.
19:47 drojf starting day. good idea
19:47 * drojf leaves for beer and breaking bad
19:47 rangi yay, i can fill in the survey, cos the guy answered me
19:47 drojf :)
19:55 oleonard Anyone know why PrepareItemrecordDisplay in Items.pm creates some item subfield entry fields with a size of 50 and some with a size of 67?
19:56 * rangi does the school run
19:56 rangi bbl
19:58 cait oleonard: nope.
19:59 bag that seems like odd choices 50 and 67?
19:59 bag 50 is too even and 67 is too odd
20:00 oleonard I suspect one or both were chosen because they fit nicely on someone's screen :P
20:00 oleonard This is one of the hazards of building HTML in a PM
20:01 cait PM?
20:01 cait oh
20:05 oleonard Sorry, I didn't mean Private Message :)
20:05 * oleonard might be building HTML in all kinds of private messages but it's private
20:06 cait i figured it out in the end :)
20:06 cait bit slow today
20:06 cait oleonard: yeah, biulding html in perl doesn't sound right
20:11 oleonard Actually building the HTML in Items.pm may not be strictly necessary, but I don't think that's a task for 5 minutes before quitting time
20:14 cait nope
20:14 cait you should enjoy your evening :)
20:14 oleonard Oh, before I forget...
20:14 oleonard cait++ # for weekend QA'ing
20:14 cait oh thx
20:14 oleonard See you all tomorrow
20:17 kathryn hi everyone :)
20:17 jcamins kelly_sundin++
20:36 * kathryn waves at eythian
20:37 eythian oh hi. What have I missed? Is it warm there yet?
20:37 kathryn there have been some MEAN tumbelweeds!
20:38 kathryn also some sunbeams, not overly warm ones :)
20:38 eythian @later tell tcohen remind me when I'm no longer on holiday, but the essence is that you just put the file in anyway.
20:38 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:38 jcamins My importer process is using 370MB/RAM. It's only a 13MB file.
20:39 eythian sounds mediocre really. I might just stay here, though I'm missing normal language a little...
20:39 drojf you mean german?
20:40 kathryn eythian: no promises on the latter
20:40 eythian No. No I don't :)
20:40 eythian heh
20:41 eythian @later tell drojf test passed
20:41 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:41 drojf heh
20:41 drojf it actually failed
20:41 eythian oh
20:41 eythian E for effort then.
20:41 drojf i wanted wahanui to do an auto responder for you
20:42 eythian ah
20:42 cait hey eythian :)
20:42 eythian hi cait
20:42 eythian wahanui: germs
20:42 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:42 cait for not liking moon language you spent quite a lot of time in moon speaking countries
20:43 eythian it does seem that way.
22:12 jcamins Woohoo!
22:12 * jcamins plays bop-the-segfault.
22:21 rangi heh
22:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:26 * mtompset whistles hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work we go.
22:27 bag oh interesting title - but I haven't read the article --> The Ben Affleck Batman Backlash Sounds A Lot Like What You Said About Heath Ledger As The Joker
22:28 druthb o/
22:29 druthb jcamins, mtompset, cait...during all the back and forth today, would it have been out of line for me to post this image? https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kZ21aYkc0S1lpcXc
22:29 cait pretty violent
22:29 druthb :P
22:29 mtompset Not if you are the pink girl. :P
22:31 druthb :P
22:31 druthb That turned up in my RSS feed on another topic altogether.
22:31 druthb along with https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kcGtqVmxsMmRhRHc
22:32 * mtompset laughs.
22:34 * mtompset sings, "la la la la la la, la la la la laaaaaa"
22:34 * mtompset waits for his "git pull".
22:34 druthb https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Q68oeQK94kTTN2UHlfVkZXN3M #Dame Maggie does *not* approve.
22:39 mtompset okay, if you wanted to install Koha from scratch, would you already have your OS installed and then download the tar.gz for the instructions, or would you download the tar.gz, get the instructions, and then follow them? Should the instructions assume either?
22:40 jcamins mtompset: none of the above.
22:40 rambutan Install OS && download tar.gz and read instructions
22:41 jcamins You would have Windows, you would find the oldest, most out-of-date instructions you could, and then proceed to get angry about the fact that the instructions assume Linux when you have Windows.
22:41 jcamins Otherwise, assume the operating system is installed.
22:41 jcamins If someone needs help installing Debian, that person should ask Debian experts.
22:41 rambutan jcamins et al: is smoked paprika something I should expect to find in the store? I'm looking at an Indian eggplant recipe.
22:42 jcamins rambutan: definitely.
22:42 drojf you would find some nice internet information source about installing koha 2.2 on windows
22:42 rambutan in a regular (not speciality) grocery store?
22:42 jcamins If it's a suburban supermarket, yeah.
22:43 jcamins Shop Rite, Food Lion, etc., would have.
22:43 jcamins The little corner grocery store probably would not.
22:44 mtompset drojf: 2.2.9 :P
22:59 mtompset Okay, next question on the documentation in the koha source files. Some people are rather picky about knowing details, like "How should I answer all the questions to 'perl Makefile.PL'?"
22:59 mtompset Is the creation of INSTALL.dev and INSTALL.standard for just those sections, okay?
23:57 * mtompset smiles, "I got a thank you. YAY!"
23:57 mtompset I like it when someone comes back and says thank you.