Time Nick Message 23:59 wizzyrea there are some changes as to how authors are catalogued as well 23:57 dcook Projected publication date of 1310, eh? 23:55 dcook And the permalink I guess.. 23:54 dcook http://lccn.loc.gov/2013032917 23:54 dcook I've noticed they don't display 336,337,338 in the brief record. Only the full record tab. 23:53 * dcook tries to find some RDA records in LoC 23:53 dcook The second indicator does help in terms of figuring out what to display for label text (provided they've been catalogued according to spec) 23:53 dcook They probably had handling for the 264 as well 23:52 dcook I took a gander a while ago at the Library of Congress catalogue, but the only thing I noticed were the 336,337,338 23:52 dcook That would be awesome :) 23:52 dcook wizzyrea++ 23:51 wizzyrea I'm hoping to get people to file bugs about it. 23:51 dcook I haven't heard about what other tags people are wanting though 23:51 dcook I did add in the 336, 337, 338, and 264 into our XSLT recently 23:50 wizzyrea mostly the XSLT's 23:50 dcook The templates then? 23:50 dcook (Although their hidden attributes might need to be edited so that data isn't lost when a record is opened and saved again) 23:50 wizzyrea it's not about the frameworks. 23:50 dcook Thanks to bgkriegel and others who have worked on the frameworks, the new frameworks should have up to date tags 23:49 dcook What does displayed properly mean though? 23:49 wizzyrea lots of people bringing in RDA records that aren't displayed properly. 23:48 dcook Why might that be? 23:48 dcook wizzyrea: Oh? 23:48 wizzyrea looks like proper RDA support is going to have to be something high on the priority list very soon. 23:41 dcook morning #koha 23:32 cjh heh 23:25 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 23:24 mtompset Really? #koha+ sounds lib... nah, won't go there. 23:24 * mtompset doesn't know if he should make the joke.... 23:22 drojf cjh: lol. that sounds very attractive ;) 23:20 cjh drojf: for a small payment of $49.99/month we can upgrade you to #koha+ 22:53 wizzyrea (unless he wants to. :P) 22:52 wizzyrea you may not have him! 22:52 drojf i consider keeping him :P 22:51 drojf eythian++ # making edge open a website and summoning a schienenschleifwagen 22:48 rangi heh 22:48 drojf we really have to talk about the service in here. what if i'd be a koha novice in desperate need of help? 22:42 drojf evening 22:21 dani1 ha! 22:15 wizzyrea dani1 ^ 22:15 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56234257935/koha-irc-regulars-when-someone-new-shows-up-in 22:13 dani1 I am sure I will be back for more. 22:11 wizzyrea ya hop in and ask questions anytime 22:08 wizzyrea ^.^ 22:08 dani1 thanks! That didn't even hurt. ;) 22:08 wizzyrea cool, welcome to the community :) 22:08 dani1 OK. Got it. 22:08 wizzyrea right 22:08 wizzyrea maybe that was 3.12 22:07 dani1 So, her choice is fee removed or not, instead of max fines per item... 22:07 wizzyrea i am pretty sure 3.10 but.... eeeee... not sure 22:07 cait just not sure which version 22:07 cait it is 22:07 wizzyrea I think it's a syspref 22:07 wizzyrea but yea, I recall that there was a change to flip the switch as to whether the charge is removed 22:05 dani1 no wizzyrea, looking now 22:05 wizzyrea ^^ 22:04 cait dani1: did you check for lost configuration options in the system preferences? 22:04 dani1 Well, we are trying to decide how to set up a new library. Director wants max fine or some fine to be charged for long overdues that get turned in 100 days late. 22:04 wizzyrea so no, currently you have only the across the board max fine 22:03 wizzyrea ;) 22:03 wizzyrea either way, pretty new feature ;0 22:03 dani1 no 3.10 22:03 wizzyrea that's cool I didn't realise that 22:03 cait maxfine got moved to the circulation matrix 22:03 wizzyrea dani1: are you running 3.12? 22:03 cait wizzyrea: in 3.12 22:03 cait wizzyrea: hm there is 22:03 wizzyrea there's an across the board maximum 22:03 cait dani1: do you run the fines script? 22:03 wizzyrea but there is no per item max 22:02 cait hm yes, they wouldn#t get removed 22:02 rangi they are done with a different fines script 22:02 rangi they do 22:02 wizzyrea I think the fines charged prior to long overdue still stand though 22:02 cait if you search for lost in administration it might turn up 22:02 cait there is a system preference for that now - it's something with refund 22:02 dani1 but when the book is returned the replacement price is removed 22:02 cait if it works like the other lost status 22:02 wizzyrea there's an option for that, yes 22:02 cait when it's set to long overdue (I think) 22:02 cait book 22:01 cait they should be charged the replacement price for the bug 22:01 dani1 yes. So I patron could turn in a book 100 days overdue and not get charged anything? 22:01 cait wasn't it removed from the patron account with long overdue? 22:01 cait hm 22:01 dani1 is this because there is no per-item max? 22:00 dani1 OK. if a book have been changed to long overdue, and then later returned. I know the fine is removed, but no max late fine is charged? 22:00 cait we do use fines tho :) 22:00 cait we will try to help, but i have never used the long overdue script, so ont sure how much help i can be there 22:00 dani1 hello 21:59 cait hi dani 21:58 dani1 hello, newbie here with a question about fines and long overdues. 21:15 magnuse oh well, have fun #koha! 21:12 magnuse rangi++ 21:12 rangi i even fixed the typo u spotted :) 21:11 * magnuse hopes for sooner rather than later ;-) 21:11 rangi ill submit as patches at some point 21:10 rangi magnuse: its all pushed up 21:10 magnuse or "likes talking", your choice 21:10 * magnuse like stalking to himeslf late at night 21:10 * magnuse is working on an rdf browser for the opac 21:09 * magnuse hopes rangi will submit what he has - saving records as rdf in a triplestore is an excellent start, we can do the ui for enhancing the data + sparql.koha-community.org later :-) 21:07 magnuse wb rangi 21:06 rangi back 21:06 * magnuse wants to see maximum harm inflicted on MARC and its minions 21:05 magnuse nah, didn't he really tag along to make sure don quixote didn't inflict too much harm on himself and others? 21:03 magnuse hey, maybe i can be sancho panza? 21:03 * magnuse cheers rangi on 21:00 cjh morning 20:51 cait oh that fits of course 20:51 * gmcharlt grabs a cookie and starts nibbling too 20:51 gmcharlt cait: Man of La Mancha 20:48 * cait nibbles on a cookie and tries to be quiet 20:47 cait jcamins: i am sorry, i don't get the reference, quite sure tho there is one? 20:29 jcamins I shall impersonate- a man. Come, enter into my imagination and see him! Bony, hollow-faced, with eyes that burn with the fire of inner vision. He conceives of the strangest project ever imagined... to reform library data, abolishing all MARC! 20:26 druthb :D 20:26 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 20:26 druthb cookies? 20:25 cait cookies always work, right? 20:25 * cait tries handing a cookie 20:24 oleonard Bye #koha 20:19 * oleonard hands rangi a poncho 20:18 * gmcharlt hands rangi a Don Quixote badge 20:02 rangi but i like tilting at windmills 20:02 rangi it wont work 20:02 rangi we can show how you can copy catalogue 20:01 rangi and a way for others to grab that 20:01 rangi my theory is, if there is a way for a koha library to push its enhanced rdf 20:01 rangi it looks similar to sql 20:00 rangi you can do thinks like INSERT { rdf goes here } 20:00 rangi that you query with sparql 20:00 rangi a sparql endpoint you can think of as a database 19:59 rangi im thinking somethign like that but for rdf 19:59 oleonard I understood some of those words. 19:59 rangi have you seen http://ratings.koha-community.org/ 19:59 rangi then i want a way, to 'publish' it 19:59 rangi next, i want to add the ability when in the staff site, to enrich that record, ie spawn a search of VIAF and link that, and then save that enhanced rdf 19:58 rangi oleonard: so far, in my rdf branch, when you add or modify a biblio, it converts it to rdf and stores it as NTriples in a designated sparql endpoint 19:58 jcamins We don't have data in MARC, we have data in Bibframe^0, which looks like MARC. 19:58 jcamins Bibframe is where it's at. 19:58 jcamins Bibframe is the future. 19:58 jcamins rangi: I don't think you understand. 19:57 oleonard sparql? 19:56 * gmcharlt hands rangi a shiny simolean 19:56 rangi someone win lotto for me 19:56 rangi which means i need to finish my stuff, and make sparql.koha-community.org and the button in koha to push/pull from it 19:55 rangi yeah 19:53 gmcharlt and I think it will need to go beyond "in theory Linked Data means more sharing! lower cataloguing costs!" to "in actuality..." 19:52 * oleonard shudders... "x thousand!" 19:52 gmcharlt well, any successor to MARC is going to have to *prove* a real benefit ... certainly RDA per se has made a lot of folks suspicious 19:51 rangi 'but we just spent x thousand on converting to RDA!!' 19:51 rangi my main issue with RDA is the time and money being invested in it, will make people even slower to move from MARC 19:50 rangi *nod* 19:50 gmcharlt but my impression is that those are nowadays subsumed in the BIBFRAME effort 19:50 rangi they lost tho 19:50 rangi i was cheering for them 19:50 rangi *nod* 19:49 gmcharlt to be fair, there were efforts during the RDA process by some folks to achieve more of a detachment from MARC 19:48 rangi heheh 19:48 gmcharlt rangi: of course they're not dependent on MARC! You can always hand-write catalog cards based on RDA and AACR2 rules! 19:48 rangi that i think RDA is no more separate from MARC than AACR2 is 19:48 rangi but they are tied so heavily to what goes in what subfield and what indicator , adn 264 being better than 260 19:47 rangi i mean i understand that AACR2 and RDA are supposedly cataloguing rules 19:47 rangi *nod* 19:47 oleonard If RDA wasn't MARC how could we be seeing RDA records coming out of library catalogs already? 19:46 cait [off] i guess you'd have to pay for that privilege... couldn't spot lots of marc in the rda toolkit descriptions 19:45 rangi ive yet to see it defined in any way other than what marc fields it uses 19:45 cait you can certainly think that 19:45 cait we export marc 19:45 rangi actually i think that makes it even worse 19:45 cait and they will do that here... because our databases are internally not marc 19:45 rangi just no one has or does? 19:45 cait yes i think you can 19:44 rangi ? 19:44 rangi but can you represent it in anything other than MARC 19:44 rangi yes 19:44 cait my coworker spend like 3 hours trying to explain it to me... no guarantees i gotit right :) 19:43 cait rangi: it is more modified aacr... for the idea of it 19:43 cait rangi: it is not really... 19:42 rangi https://twitter.com/3windmills/status/369832361049202688 19:42 rangi did RDA suddenly not become modified MARC? 19:42 rangi hmm am i missing something 19:17 mtompset druthb: I was surprised at how well I did 400m's the other day. Of course, it was a bad time in general, but much better than I thought. 19:16 mtompset removing_dead_code++ 19:16 druthb I don't *have* to outrun a zombie apocalypse, mtompset. I just have to outrun *you* when we get caught in one. 19:15 mtompset Come on! Zombies are cool. And what about Ezekiel and the dry bones, or Jesus? :P 19:15 druthb zombies-- 19:14 oleonard reviving_dead_corpses-- 19:14 magnuse removing_dead_code++ 19:04 oleonard +1 19:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10771 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , three disused scripts in misc/cronjobs/stats should be removed 19:03 gmcharlt oleonard: bug 10771 18:54 oleonard Anyway, we definitely don't use it. 18:53 oleonard ...but it also means that it is *very* old 18:53 oleonard Hm, if it was authored by my former boss then I guess it might not be lies... 18:52 oleonard Filthy lies! 18:52 gmcharlt oleonard: admittedly, it was only an allegation that ACPL ever used it at all :) 18:51 oleonard gmcharlt: That doesn't sound familiar 18:51 gmcharlt oleonard: do your library still use misc/cronjobs/stats/monthly_circulation_statistics.pl ? 18:50 magnuse oh and please remember to store your pin codes (passwords) as plain text 18:50 magnuse oleonard: of course they do! 18:49 oleonard magnuse: Right, because the months come in alphabetical order right? 18:49 * druthb shudders 18:48 gmcharlt magnuse: 1899 was an excellent year, don't you agree? 18:48 magnuse oh and don't forget to format your dates like so: 11-JUN-99 18:46 cait see commentson that post 18:45 mtompset There exist people with no name? 18:43 oleonard Which one? The one you don't know about until after you've developed your database I guess. 18:39 mtompset That's a bizarre link. 5 years?! You have to be kidding me. What culture waits 5 years to name the kid? 18:35 gmcharlt http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ 18:34 * druthb digs through her change, and puts in INR64, not having a dollar handy. 18:33 druthb oooh. 18:33 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, druthb 18:33 druthb awesome! 18:33 druthb hm. 18:32 magnuse it's something called "library IT". it's different from other kinds of IT. 18:32 magnuse no kidding, i'm afraid 18:31 mtompset magnuse: Are you kidding?! That's so bad it's good. 18:30 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins 18:30 jcamins magnuse: awesome! 18:30 cait sounds fun? 18:29 magnuse moahahah, a database with a table with columns called FIRST_NAME_1, FIRST_NAME_2, FIRST_NAME_3, FIRST_NAME_4 and FIRST_NAME_5 18:27 magnuse enjoy your dinner cait 18:26 cait thx :) 18:26 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks! Have a good dinner :) 18:25 cait maybe easiest is doing a rnewal and look at the newest entries in the statistics table to see how it looks like 18:24 cait i am not sure which column and should take time to eat some dinner :) 18:24 cait you will query the statistics table 18:23 ccsrgabrielle cait: Ok. And how can i point it in my SQL report? 18:21 cait i mean after changing the setting 18:21 cait ccsrgabrielle: but only for rneewals made from the point on you change it 18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1492 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, MARC subfields structure: can't switch to tab with label "@" 18:21 magnuse bug 1492? 18:19 wahanui In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 18:19 jcamins 1492? 18:19 wahanui OK, jcamins. 18:19 jcamins wahanui: 1492 is <reply> In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 18:19 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 1492 18:19 jcamins wahanui: forget 1492 18:17 wahanui 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 18:17 mtompset 1492? 18:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1379: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1379/ 18:13 huginn` oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <bag> pianohacker: rancor 18:13 oleonard @seen bag 18:09 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks, i will try it! :) 18:08 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: yes 18:04 wahanui OK, oleonard. 18:04 oleonard wahanui: 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 18:04 ccsrgabrielle cait: Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC? 18:03 wahanui OK, oleonard. 18:03 oleonard wahanui: 3.2 is Koha 3.2.0 was released 22 October 2010 18:03 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.2 18:03 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.2 18:02 wahanui 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but drojf's guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use 18:02 oleonard 3.2? 18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard. 18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.4 is Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011 18:02 ccsrgabrielle Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC? 18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.4 18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.4 18:02 wahanui 3.4 is, like, still on schedule 18:02 oleonard 3.4? 18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard. 18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011 18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.6 18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.6 18:01 wahanui ...but 3.6 is more relevant... 18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011 18:01 wahanui OK, oleonard. 18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012 18:01 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.8 18:01 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.8 18:01 cait otherwise I am afraid there is maybe no way to tell 18:01 wahanui ...but 3.8 is very stable... 18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012 18:00 cait ccsrgabrielle: it will record opacrenewals if it's set to OpacRenew 18:00 ccsrgabrielle Okay. But it looks to be only for the branch and not to know if the renewals were made in the OPAC or in the intranet? 17:59 wahanui OK, oleonard. 17:59 oleonard wahanui: 3.10 is Koha 3.10 was released 23 November 2012 17:59 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.10 17:59 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.10 17:59 cait so not really new at all :) 17:57 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: 3.6 or later, looks like 17:57 wahanui 3.10 is released November 22. 17:57 cait 3.10? 17:57 cait not that new really... maybe 3.8? 17:56 cait hm not sure 17:56 cait it will only record it i think when that is set to OPACRenew 17:56 ccsrgabrielle in wich version? 17:56 magnuse oleonard: you don't believe in teaching * dogs new tricks? 17:56 cait ccsrgabrielle: OpacRenewalBranch 17:55 cait let me look it up 17:55 cait ccsrgabrielle: i think you only can do that in newr versions when there is a speciic system preference set 17:47 ccsrgabrielle Hello! Does anyone know if there is a way to differentiate renewals made in the intranet vs renewals made in the OPAC? I need it for an SQL report 17:40 alphaman oleonard: I'm a sysadmin… ;) 17:39 * mtompset waves back to cait. :) 17:39 * cait waves tiredly 17:39 oleonard :P 17:38 jcamins :) 17:37 jcamins Well- you can access the source code, it's just read-only. 17:37 jcamins oleonard: Lots of people think that sort of thing. As it happens, I just heard about a service that will provide you with your own Koha, gratis! Unfortunately, source code access is not included. 17:36 * oleonard then remembers he isn't a system administrator 17:36 * oleonard keeps thinking he should grow up and get VPS hosting so he could run his own Koha 17:33 magnuse mtompset: i use linode - they have a datacenter in london, and i have been quite happy with them (if that was the sort of thing you were thinking of) 17:28 oleonard http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/#europe 17:26 mtompset We are in the midst of evaluating moving our hosting to another site, preferably in Europe, any suggestions as to sites good for hosting Koha on at low cost? 17:23 mtompset jcamins++ 17:22 mtompset Ooo... interesting enhancement. Thanks, jcamins! 17:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC 17:20 jcamins Either upload them manually or sign off on bug 6874? 17:19 mtompset If I have a bunch of PDF files (for example), which I would like to have usable links in 856$u, what is the best way to serve these files from a Koha Server? 17:17 jcamins "Apache configuration should not display Indexes" ? 17:16 mtompset Any ideas on what to call the patch? 17:15 magnuse mtompset: one way to find out is to submit a patch :-) 17:14 mtompset Greetings, druthb! 17:14 druthb Hi, mtompset 17:14 mtompset I was wondering if anyone would be adverse to a patch for the apache-shared.conf that adds a -Indexes on the Options line at the end. 17:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1379 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items 17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax 17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax 17:01 gmcharlt depending on how it tests, I wouldn't be opposed to it supplantly CCSR in 3.14 as well 17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax 17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax 17:01 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items 17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax 17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax 17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax 17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax 17:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1378: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1378/ 17:00 oleonard But later to become the single default theme--I hope! 17:00 oleonard Just a third theme in 3.14 16:59 magnuse or will prog, ccsr and this new theme all be options in 3.14? 16:59 magnuse what's the plan again - will it replace prog in 3.14? 16:59 magnuse sounds good to me 16:58 gmcharlt or simply -- "here's my branch in a Git repo that has the patch with my signoff" 16:58 gmcharlt magnuse: a statement to the effect of (a) I've tested the patch (b) I am willing to signoff on it (c) I authorize somebody up the line to add a Signed-off-by line to the commit message accordingly would be sufficient IMO 16:56 magnuse oleonard, kf: couldn't positive comments on the bug just count as signoffs then? 16:50 gaetan_B bye ! 16:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items 16:21 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items 16:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #59: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/59/ 15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1378 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name 15:46 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message 15:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1377: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1377/ 15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax 15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax 15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax 15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax 15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax 15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax 15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax 15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax 15:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #58: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/58/ 15:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d46657f8af980524a4351e40abe0b901d1af3e6a> 15:21 oleonard I'm not sure how signoffs should be handled since a patch would be too large to upload to Bugzilla 15:19 kf oleonard: it would be great to get someone test accessibility, but i am not sure how to do that 15:19 kf oleonard: not sure how much the qa team can do - we shoudl try to get some sign-offs first ideally - maybe also people could note somewhere what they tested... hm. 15:18 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 30.0°C (10:18 AM CDT on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 15:18 druthb @wunder 77098 15:16 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 21.3°C (5:12 PM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 15:16 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 15:14 reiveune bye 15:12 oleonard Yes 15:12 gmcharlt oleonard: http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev/commits/bootstrap-opac is the current branch, correct? 15:10 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt 15:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name 15:04 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message 15:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #57: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/57/ 15:04 gmcharlt I'll also point a WCAG validator against a fresh install of it this week 15:02 oleonard That makes sense. I've done my best to track each new commit to the OPAC templates. 15:01 gmcharlt also, a plain old announcement to koha-devel wouldn't hurt 15:01 gmcharlt another thing that might help is identifying any pending OPAC template bugs that may be of higher priority than the Bootstrap theme -- and get some attention on those so that we minimize rebase iterations 14:59 gmcharlt oleonard: one idea is to see if the QA folks are willing to put it on their agenda for the metting that kf has called 14:58 oleonard (as far as I know from my own testing) 14:58 oleonard But really it's almost ready for signoff. 14:58 oleonard Daniel is going to include a note about it in the newsletter. so perhaps that will lead to more feedback. 14:57 oleonard What do you think I can do to help it along the process? 14:57 drojf you did not ask if gmcharlt has time for a second question… 14:57 oleonard I think my Bootstrap OPAC theme is getting very close to being ready. I have a couple of minor issues still to resolve. 14:56 gmcharlt yes 14:56 oleonard gmcharlt: Do you have time for a question? 14:48 oleonard gmcharlt++ 14:47 druthb gmcharlt++ 14:47 gmcharlt website back up; there appears to have been a DDOS / attempt to compromise the WP login about four hours ago 14:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ae3ea68579b3f870d7e42968c3727ecffac7f02> / Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54c6dccca70a142c14fff049cb3212694af86610> / Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to 14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1377 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:28 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50ff4f4a94598ce197c0ca5656d314195cf69d07> 14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:15 oleonard sql_library++ 14:15 druthb also very yummy treat on a hot day. 14:15 druthb kf: frozen lemonade. It's a good brain-freeze maker. 14:12 gmcharlt drop in the bucket compared to whatever is overloading it at the moment 14:12 gmcharlt heh 14:12 oleonard gmcharlt: That's going to be hard to do with all of us checking the web site to see what you're talking about 14:11 kf frozen lemonade? 14:11 * gmcharlt is working on getting the website back up 13:50 wahanui OK, oleonard. 13:50 oleonard wahanui: Brain freeze is <reply> Slow down, tiger. 13:50 druthb lol 13:50 magnuse lol 13:50 oleonard brain freeze? 13:49 wahanui OK, oleonard. 13:49 oleonard wahanui: String freeze is 31 October 2013 13:49 wahanui oleonard: I forgot string freeze 13:49 oleonard wahanui: forget string freeze 13:49 wahanui hmmm... string freeze is 24:00 8th October 13:49 oleonard string freeze? 13:48 wahanui OK, oleonard. 13:48 oleonard wahanui: Feature freeze is 3 October 2013 13:47 wahanui release dates are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline 13:47 kf tcohen: release dates? 13:42 wahanui thanks druthb :) 13:42 druthb wahanui: botsnack frozen lemonade 13:41 wahanui druthb: I forgot feature freeze 13:41 druthb wahanui: forget feature freeze 13:40 tcohen you are outdated wahanui 13:39 wahanui feature freeze is march 22nd 2013 13:39 tcohen feature freeze? 13:34 liw oleonard, then more of #koha would be even healthier! 13:22 oleonard Thanks druthb, I think I'm getting a healthy dose of #koha for now :) 13:19 oleonard jcamins' reach knows no bounds 13:18 * druthb offers to set up a bip server for oleonard. 13:18 * jcamins has ops! He could accidentally kick someone then say evil things about them! 13:18 * oleonard gives jcamins the evil eye 13:18 oleonard Oh no, I never thought of that! 13:17 druthb yep. I don't miss things that way. jcamins can't say evil things about me, even with [off]. 13:16 liw bip is nice 13:16 liw druthb, so one of your external brains is on #koha continuously :) 13:07 * druthb uses bip for that. 13:07 oleonard When we all get our Google Glasses we can have #koha running constantly in a corner of our vision 13:06 * kf wonders who would spend 20 hours in #koha 13:04 * oleonard is neither constantly connected to IRC even when away from his computer nor young enough to spend 20 hours a day here 13:03 druthb we all miss you when you're not here, oleonard. 13:03 druthb heh 13:02 oleonard wahanui is overly concerned with my whereabouts. 13:02 wahanui somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did! 13:02 kf oleonard! 13:01 tcohen drojf! oleonard! 13:00 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 13:00 druthb oleonard! 13:00 drojf ;) 13:00 drojf tcohen! 13:00 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 13:00 drojf oleonard! 13:00 oleonard tcohen! druthb! drojf! kf! wahanui! 12:54 druthb :) 12:54 drojf but the sun is shining ;) 12:54 drojf druthb: fascist as yesterday 12:54 drojf druthb! 12:53 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 12:53 magnuse druthb! 12:53 druthb magnuse! tcohen! 12:52 wahanui tcohen is 122 12:52 magnuse tcohen! 12:52 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 12:52 magnuse druthb! 12:52 kf druthb: cloudy here but nice 12:52 kf tcohen! 12:52 kf druthb! 12:51 tcohen morning #koha 12:50 druthb kf! drojf! How's Germany today? 12:12 kf :) 12:11 Viktor It is :) 12:11 drojf nice! :) 12:10 Viktor drojf True :) No promises though. But we do have funding for 2014 for a few of our top priorities. 12:09 Viktor kf - That might very well catch quite a lot of the necessary examples. 12:09 drojf patches welcome ;) 12:09 Viktor oleonard Hm. As long as it's not too much work I guess we'd still want to get it done. Thanks for looking into it. 12:08 kf Viktor: if it's transport, maybe it shows on the transports to receive (something like that) page? 12:08 Viktor magnuse :) 12:06 oleonard Looks like issuehistory.pl queries issues and old_issues, so it would have to be reworked to include the check-in library. 12:05 magnuse Viktor++ 12:03 Viktor I'll add it for our 2014 wishlist then jcamins :) I'm noting all the stuff we find during the autumn and plan to tick at least a few off the list next year. 12:02 jcamins Viktor: I don't think there's any option to do that now, but I think that could be added. 11:58 Viktor Just trying to make shure that we don't start writing an request for enhancment on stuff that's already available :) 11:57 Viktor We'd like a simple way to se where books that has gone missing in transport was returned. 11:57 Viktor That would be useful I think oleonard - thanks. 11:56 oleonard Viktor: I don't know what issuehistory.pl queries, but I see that the statistics table saves a branch code for entries with type='return' 11:54 Viktor Is it possible to display _where_ a book was returned on issuehistory.pl? 11:53 Viktor Hi! 11:48 drojf i won't tell you what's missing, that would be counter-productive to my plan of being lazy 11:47 oleonard Hi all 11:47 wahanui oleonard: sorry... 11:47 oleonard wahanui: That made no sense. 11:47 wahanui yw 11:47 kf um thx wahanui 11:47 wahanui missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out 11:47 kf and what's missing? 11:47 kf hmm not sure - was it me asking for changes? 11:46 drojf so i better not change anything to my bug that passed qa, right? ;) 11:46 kf except for bug fixes 11:45 kf well stop submitting code until we have caught up would work for me 11:45 drojf people should go on vacation more often and stop submitting code :P 11:44 drojf needs signoff is ridiculously high too 11:44 drojf goodness 11:43 magnuse looking at the queue of signed off patches, i'm ready to agree to a "poor qam and qa people", yes 11:43 * drojf hides 11:42 drojf yay RDA 11:39 kf poor qa people? 11:39 kf hmpf poor qam? 11:29 magnuse poor gmcharlt ;-) 11:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha 11:29 magnuse bug 10344 11:28 magnuse yeah, that qam... 11:26 magnuse drojf: oh noes, the qa team culdn't leave it alone? 11:26 drojf i remember some qa manager asking about changes ;) 11:25 drojf magnuse: yup, i found it there. i just got confused because it passed qa already 11:24 magnuse drojf: maybe check bugzilla? 11:15 drojf i wonder what i have been working on, koha-wise 11:14 drojf so, everything is normal ;D 11:14 * drojf drank coffee and is confused now 11:13 * kf sends rangi to bed 11:13 drojf or, at least very likely 11:13 kf my guess too 11:13 drojf of course 11:13 drojf ah 11:12 rangi maybe they mean offline circ? 11:11 drojf what's the offline mode of koha? 11:11 drojf hello again 11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken 11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10127 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files 11:08 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page 11:08 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10127 : Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files 11:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #343: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/343/ 11:08 kf tsk :) 10:47 magnuse Koha_master, on the other hand... ;-) 10:47 magnuse health > Koha_3.8.x 10:46 kf cjh++ 10:43 magnuse cjh++ 10:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #343 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier 10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless 10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css 10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9770 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSortRoutine::Dewey can pad the wrong part of a call number internally 10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier. 10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name 10:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css 10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: fix sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes 10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: test case for sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes 10:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #342: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/342/ 10:03 cjh ty, I havent been able to do it much for the last few weeks so got pretty close to asking for a volunteer, if it gets worse I will try let the community know ASAP. 10:00 rangi sweet, your health is more important, one of us can sub in if we need to, but cool if you can keep doing it 09:58 cjh probably worth mentioning that lately I have had issues with my RSI flaring up again, but for the time being I plan to keep rmaint-ing, just may be a bit slow. 09:57 rangi cjh++ 09:56 cjh finally found time to catch up on my rmaint :) 09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #342 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10448 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Changing framework when cataloguing clears all fields 09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Add item link on acquisitions add item is too small 09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config 09:53 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10448: can now change framework after duplicating bib record 09:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about page 09:53 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form 09:53 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package) 09:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #341: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/341/ 09:27 rangi heh 09:27 cjh maybe marc will become so over encumbered it falls over? 09:26 rangi people are funny 09:26 rangi im not entirely sure how adding fields to MARC helps move from MARC 09:24 rangi https://twitter.com/Marie_Idille/status/369738290951225344 09:24 * rangi giggles 09:16 kf we will see how it works out :) 09:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #341 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:14 magnuse kf++ for calling a qa meeting 09:14 magnuse they are really hard to grep for, at least ;-) 08:52 kf Joubu++ 08:46 kf or i might be thinking about something else. hm. 08:46 kf i think i ran into those sometime ago,i might be wrong too :) 08:45 magnuse :-) 08:45 magnuse it has been known to happen 08:45 magnuse ok, i might be wrong 08:41 kf i think the templates still might have those 08:41 kf magnuse: hm i doubt it 08:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3145 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , patron templates using poorly named "P" and "C" variables 08:37 * magnuse suspects bug 3145 is no longer relevant 08:33 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded. 08:33 magnuse @later tell oleonard: if you do followups for bug 10764 and 10765 i'll get them signed off 08:32 * magnuse has read too much Dickens 08:31 cjh TIL that skittles is/are a sport... 08:31 * magnuse was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skittles_%28sport%29 which sounds slightly more dangerous 08:30 kf ah :) 08:29 cjh yeah, but m&ms are more popular. 08:29 kf do you have smarties in nz? 08:29 cjh heh 08:29 * kf throws some smarties instead 08:29 kf hm 08:29 * kf throws some at cjh 08:28 cjh mmmhhhmmmm skittles are yummy. 08:27 kf ask druthb_away 08:27 kf apparently that's sweets you throw at people 08:07 magnuse skittles? 08:07 magnuse Oak 08:06 Oak hello kf 08:06 Oak magnuse 08:06 * kf throws skittles at magnuse 08:05 magnuse rangi++ for updating http://schema.koha-community.org/ 07:57 magnuse moahahaha 07:57 * kf jumps 07:57 kf wah! 07:56 magnuse KIA ORA KF! 07:36 magnuse :-) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/see-beastie-boys-sabotage-video-remade-by-librarians-20130819 07:11 dcook Have a good day all 07:11 dcook I think I'll do the responsible thing and head off only 11 minutes after 5 today ;) 07:11 dcook magnuse: Could be. Could be. 07:02 drojf hei magnuse 07:01 magnuse dcook: maybe because it was 4 an hour ago? 07:01 magnuse moin drojf 07:00 drojf good morning #koha 07:00 dcook How is it 5 already... 06:59 dcook bonjour gaetan_B :) 06:59 dcook I'm sorry, magnuse. I've only used it once or twice myself, but...blech. 06:58 wahanui hey, gaetan_B 06:58 gaetan_B hello 06:58 * magnuse had his first encounter with windows 8 yesterday 06:57 magnuse windows-- 06:57 magnuse ie-- 06:57 dcook ie-- 06:48 reiveune salut magnuse, dcook :) 06:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:47 reiveune hello 06:47 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:47 dcook Hope they're useful :) 06:46 magnuse dcook++ for the links 06:42 magnuse g'day mate! 06:40 dcook Howdy 06:40 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:40 dcook Hmm, chilly today 06:40 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 06:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:37 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:37 huginn` cait: downloading the Perl source 06:37 cait @wunde konstanz 06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 06:37 magnuse @wunder boo 06:37 magnuse ooh, hot! 06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:37 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:37 magnuse nice 06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 06:37 magnuse @wunder konstanz 06:37 * magnuse waves to all of #koha 06:36 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:36 cait morning magnuse 06:36 magnuse rangi++ for https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992 06:04 dcook Glad it was nice :) 06:04 dcook Ah! I didn't realize! 06:04 cait it was a nice vacation :) i am back since yesterday :) 05:54 dcook Good vacation so far? 05:49 cait hi dcook 05:48 dcook hey ya cait 05:44 cait good morning #koha 05:08 huginn` dcook: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 112 times for a total karma of -111. 05:08 dcook @karma ie 05:08 dcook ie-- 05:08 dcook Oh yeah...I forgot to do this earlier... 04:47 dcook Mmm, yeah, it could use some updating 04:42 wizzyrea more -> about koha -> Koha Team 04:42 dcook Koha Team? 04:42 wizzyrea maybe if I'm bored I'll do that tonight. 04:41 wizzyrea hrm looks like we need to do some meaintenance on the Koha Team bit of the template 04:10 dcook Ah, so good! 03:54 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) 03:38 wizzyrea ^^ so much this 03:37 dcook Koha is typically enjoyable, but Koha + Daft Punk is even more enjoyable. 02:37 jcamins (from us) 02:37 jcamins Almost as many as happen down the street. 02:36 dcook I hear tires squeaking at least twice per day... 02:36 dcook I wonder how many car accidents happen outside of my office 02:15 dcook wizzyrea++ 02:14 * wizzyrea is often glad to not be in 1. the medical IT industry 2. the transport industry 3. the banking industry or 4. the HUGEMASSIVECORPORATE industry. 02:10 dcook Ouch... 02:09 jcamins Apparently Amazon was down between 15 and 40 minutes today. 02:08 rangi yikes 02:08 dcook O_o 02:08 jcamins _That_ is downtime you don't want to be responsible for. 02:08 jcamins Wow. $66k/minute. 02:05 rangi yep 02:05 jcamins You need more sophisticated techniques in that case. 02:05 dcook I had forgotten about rollbacks. Been too long since I read the Manga Guide to Databases :p 02:05 jcamins But that doesn't work if your test is done via Test::WWW::Mechanize. 02:05 dcook Yeah, I saw that blog post the other day. Looks sweet. 02:05 rangi you can have your tests modifying the db, and the rollback undoes it all 02:04 rangi http://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/08/musings-on-kohas-database-dependent-tests/ 02:04 rangi and if you do this 02:04 rangi but if you have at least all the common ones, thats a good start 02:04 dcook I do want to write tests... 02:04 rangi thats the ideal 02:04 rangi pretty mcuh 02:03 dcook So long as you have every use case, you're golden? 02:03 rangi exactly 02:03 rangi win 02:03 rangi so you test for what should happen, if it doesnt, test fails 02:03 dcook You automate a certain range of acceptable behaviours and then the test breaks if it changes? 02:03 dcook Makes sense. 02:03 rangi the basic idea with tests are to catch changes in behaviour 02:03 dcook Hmm 02:03 rangi the test will catch it 02:03 dcook At this point, I'm pondering how to deal with updated records 02:03 rangi then if someone breaks one of those bits 02:02 rangi harvest, convert, export 02:02 dcook I've even got it staging the records in the staging area, converting DC to MARC21... 02:02 rangi you could roundtrip it 02:02 rangi sweet 02:02 dcook The actual harvest works just fine, thanks to HTTP::OAI::Harvester 02:02 rangi prove its not munging the data etc 02:02 rangi cool :) 02:02 dcook Ah, wait, I think I gotcha 02:01 dcook Hmm, not sure I follow 02:01 rangi you could run you harverster, and then compare the results with the contents of a get etc 02:01 dcook No time like the present to learn to write tests 02:00 rangi your harvester 02:00 dcook For?\ 02:00 rangi you could whack some tests up 01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm#SYNOPSIS 01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm 01:59 rangi tell you what 01:59 rangi thats always a danger 01:57 dcook Think I might be trying to do too much right off the bat.. 01:56 dcook It's not "perfect" yet, but it would be cool to potentially get some feedback 01:56 dcook soon* 01:56 dcook Yeah, I should submit my oai-pmh harvester soonn 01:56 dcook Patches \o/ 01:53 rangi hehe 01:53 dcook not even 01:52 * dcook needs to learn now to always try to get the last word 01:52 dcook Ok, that's really my last argument tweet for a while :p 01:49 rangi ill have to tidy it up and submit it as a patch set at some point 01:49 dcook I haven't followed the link data "thing" closely enough, but cool to see Koha saving to rdf 01:48 dcook Yeah, I seem to remember you showing magnuse the other day 01:48 dcook I like the tweet ;) 01:46 rangi heh 01:46 dcook Well, maybe minus the smile 01:44 dcook That's the plan ;) 01:44 rangi smile and back away slowly 01:44 dcook Nopes 01:44 rangi ahh, no win there then 01:43 dcook I went to school with Myron. He lives for arguments. He doesn't care about points. He just wants to hear himself talk. 01:41 rangi you are making good points 01:40 rangi allow the librarians to enrich those, by creating the links (or picking the links) 01:40 dcook Ack...arguing with people on Twitter...bad idea, dcook 01:40 wahanui next step is to send it to the patches mailing list 01:40 rangi next step 01:40 rangi now 01:40 rangi dcook: ive got koha saving to rdf, everytime you add a biblio or modify one 01:39 rangi was just good timing :) 01:39 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992 01:38 * dcook takes a gander 01:38 dcook Nopes 01:36 rangi i guess you saw my tweet :) 01:36 rangi thanks dcook 01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 01:35 dcook @later tell magnuse These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/ 01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 01:35 dcook @later tell rangi These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/ 01:20 * dcook looks forward to the day of CSS3... 01:11 dcook Hmm, IFLA sounds like it might be interesting... 00:54 dcook Twitter Gold 00:54 wizzyrea hehe I like that 00:53 dcook http://imgur.com/429auIk 00:53 dcook This one would also be useful... 00:52 wizzyrea hehe 00:51 dcook I think that's how I felt when I wrote my first patch :p 00:51 dcook http://havealaugh96.tumblr.com/post/58514638759/clavid-ogfoodnun-why-is-he-so-happy-jesus 00:50 dcook Who does Koha dev reactions? 00:00 dcook Darned embedded newlines.. 00:00 dcook Well then.. 00:00 dcook Program for Parents and Youngsters (HIPPY). 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