Time Nick Message
00:00 dcook [off] Home Interaction
00:00 dcook Program for Parents and Youngsters (HIPPY). There had to be a better acronym than HIPPY...
00:00 dcook Well then..
00:00 dcook Darned embedded newlines..
00:50 dcook Who does Koha dev reactions?
00:51 dcook http://havealaugh96.tumblr.com/post/58514638759/clavid-ogfoodnun-why-is-he-so-happy-jesus
00:51 dcook I think that's how I felt when I wrote my first patch :p
00:52 wizzyrea hehe
00:53 dcook This one would also be useful...
00:53 dcook http://imgur.com/429auIk
00:54 wizzyrea hehe I like that
00:54 dcook Twitter Gold
01:11 dcook Hmm, IFLA sounds like it might be interesting...
01:20 * dcook looks forward to the day of CSS3...
01:35 dcook @later tell rangi These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/
01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:35 dcook @later tell magnuse These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/linked-data-progress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/
01:35 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:36 rangi thanks dcook
01:36 rangi i guess you saw my tweet :)
01:38 dcook Nopes
01:38 * dcook takes a gander
01:39 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992
01:39 rangi was just good timing :)
01:40 rangi dcook: ive got koha saving to rdf, everytime you add a biblio or modify one
01:40 rangi now
01:40 rangi next step
01:40 wahanui next step is to send it to the patches mailing list
01:40 dcook Ack...arguing with people on Twitter...bad idea, dcook
01:40 rangi allow the librarians to enrich those, by creating the links (or picking the links)
01:41 rangi you are making good points
01:43 dcook I went to school with Myron. He lives for arguments. He doesn't care about points. He just wants to hear himself talk.
01:44 rangi ahh, no win there then
01:44 dcook Nopes
01:44 rangi smile and back away slowly
01:44 dcook That's the plan ;)
01:46 dcook Well, maybe minus the smile
01:46 rangi heh
01:48 dcook I like the tweet ;)
01:48 dcook Yeah, I seem to remember you showing magnuse the other day
01:49 dcook I haven't followed the link data "thing" closely enough, but cool to see Koha saving to rdf
01:49 rangi ill have to tidy it up and submit it as a patch set at some point
01:52 dcook Ok, that's really my last argument tweet for a while :p
01:52 * dcook needs to learn now to always try to get the last word
01:53 dcook not even
01:53 rangi hehe
01:56 dcook Patches \o/
01:56 dcook Yeah, I should submit my oai-pmh harvester soonn
01:56 dcook soon*
01:56 dcook It's not "perfect" yet, but it would be cool to potentially get some feedback
01:57 dcook Think I might be trying to do too much right off the bat..
01:59 rangi thats always a danger
01:59 rangi tell you what
01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm
01:59 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-WWW-Mechanize/Mechanize.pm#SYNOPSIS
02:00 rangi you could whack some tests up
02:00 dcook For?\
02:00 rangi your harvester
02:01 dcook No time like the present to learn to write tests
02:01 rangi you could run you harverster, and then compare the results with the contents of a get etc
02:01 dcook Hmm, not sure I follow
02:02 dcook Ah, wait, I think I gotcha
02:02 rangi cool :)
02:02 rangi prove its not munging the data etc
02:02 dcook The actual harvest works just fine, thanks to HTTP::OAI::Harvester
02:02 rangi sweet
02:02 rangi you could roundtrip it
02:02 dcook I've even got it staging the records in the staging area, converting DC to MARC21...
02:02 rangi harvest, convert, export
02:03 rangi then if someone breaks one of those bits
02:03 dcook At this point, I'm pondering how to deal with updated records
02:03 rangi the test will catch it
02:03 dcook Hmm
02:03 rangi the basic idea with tests are to catch changes in behaviour
02:03 dcook Makes sense.
02:03 dcook You automate a certain range of acceptable behaviours and then the test breaks if it changes?
02:03 rangi so you test for what should happen, if it doesnt, test fails
02:03 rangi win
02:03 rangi exactly
02:03 dcook So long as you have every use case, you're golden?
02:04 rangi pretty mcuh
02:04 rangi thats the ideal
02:04 dcook I do want to write tests...
02:04 rangi but if you have at least all the common ones, thats a good start
02:04 rangi and if you do this
02:04 rangi http://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/08/musings-on-kohas-database-dependent-tests/
02:05 rangi you can have your tests modifying the db, and the rollback undoes it all
02:05 dcook Yeah, I saw that blog post the other day. Looks sweet.
02:05 jcamins But that doesn't work if your test is done via Test::WWW::Mechanize.
02:05 dcook I had forgotten about rollbacks. Been too long since I read the Manga Guide to Databases :p
02:05 jcamins You need more sophisticated techniques in that case.
02:05 rangi yep
02:08 jcamins Wow. $66k/minute.
02:08 jcamins _That_ is downtime you don't want to be responsible for.
02:08 dcook O_o
02:08 rangi yikes
02:09 jcamins Apparently Amazon was down between 15 and 40 minutes today.
02:10 dcook Ouch...
02:14 * wizzyrea is often glad to not be in 1. the medical IT industry 2. the transport industry 3. the banking industry or 4. the HUGEMASSIVECORPORATE industry.
02:15 dcook wizzyrea++
02:36 dcook I wonder how many car accidents happen outside of my office
02:36 dcook I hear tires squeaking at least twice per day...
02:37 jcamins Almost as many as happen down the street.
02:37 jcamins (from us)
03:37 dcook Koha is typically enjoyable, but Koha + Daft Punk is even more enjoyable.
03:38 wizzyrea ^^ so much this
03:54 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :)
04:10 dcook Ah, so good!
04:41 wizzyrea hrm looks like we need to do some meaintenance on the Koha Team bit of the template
04:42 wizzyrea maybe if I'm bored I'll do that tonight.
04:42 dcook Koha Team?
04:42 wizzyrea more -> about koha -> Koha Team
04:47 dcook Mmm, yeah, it could use some updating
05:08 dcook Oh yeah...I forgot to do this earlier...
05:08 dcook ie--
05:08 dcook @karma ie
05:08 huginn` dcook: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 112 times for a total karma of -111.
05:44 cait good morning #koha
05:48 dcook hey ya cait
05:49 cait hi dcook
05:54 dcook Good vacation so far?
06:04 cait it was a nice vacation :) i am back since yesterday :)
06:04 dcook Ah! I didn't realize!
06:04 dcook Glad it was nice :)
06:36 magnuse rangi++ for https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/369632875689172992
06:36 cait morning magnuse
06:36 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:37 * magnuse waves to all of #koha
06:37 magnuse @wunder konstanz
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
06:37 magnuse nice
06:37 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:37 magnuse ooh, hot!
06:37 magnuse @wunder boo
06:37 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
06:37 cait @wunde konstanz
06:37 huginn` cait: downloading the Perl source
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
06:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:40 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:40 dcook Hmm, chilly today
06:40 * dcook waves to magnuse
06:40 dcook Howdy
06:42 magnuse g'day mate!
06:46 magnuse dcook++ for the links
06:47 dcook Hope they're useful :)
06:47 dcook salut reiveune :)
06:47 reiveune hello
06:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:48 reiveune salut magnuse, dcook :)
06:57 dcook ie--
06:57 magnuse ie--
06:57 magnuse windows--
06:58 * magnuse had his first encounter with windows 8 yesterday
06:58 gaetan_B hello
06:58 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
06:59 dcook I'm sorry, magnuse. I've only used it once or twice myself, but...blech.
06:59 dcook bonjour gaetan_B :)
07:00 dcook How is it 5 already...
07:00 drojf good morning #koha
07:01 magnuse moin drojf
07:01 magnuse dcook: maybe because it was 4 an hour ago?
07:02 drojf hei magnuse
07:11 dcook magnuse: Could be. Could be.
07:11 dcook I think I'll do the responsible thing and head off only 11 minutes after 5 today ;)
07:11 dcook Have a good day all
07:36 magnuse :-) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/see-beastie-boys-sabotage-video-remade-by-librarians-20130819
07:56 magnuse KIA ORA KF!
07:57 kf wah!
07:57 * kf jumps
07:57 magnuse moahahaha
08:05 magnuse rangi++ for updating http://schema.koha-community.org/
08:06 * kf throws skittles at magnuse
08:06 Oak magnuse
08:06 Oak hello kf
08:07 magnuse Oak
08:07 magnuse skittles?
08:27 kf apparently that's sweets you throw at people
08:27 kf ask druthb_away
08:28 cjh mmmhhhmmmm skittles are yummy.
08:29 * kf throws some at cjh
08:29 kf hm
08:29 * kf throws some smarties instead
08:29 cjh heh
08:29 kf do you have smarties in nz?
08:29 cjh yeah, but m&ms are more popular.
08:30 kf ah :)
08:31 * magnuse was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skittles_%28sport%29 which sounds slightly more dangerous
08:31 cjh TIL that skittles is/are a sport...
08:32 * magnuse has read too much Dickens
08:33 magnuse @later tell oleonard: if you do followups for bug 10764 and 10765 i'll get them signed off
08:33 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:37 * magnuse suspects bug 3145 is no longer relevant
08:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3145 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , patron templates using poorly named "P" and "C" variables
08:41 kf magnuse: hm i doubt it
08:41 kf i think the templates still might have those
08:45 magnuse ok, i might be wrong
08:45 magnuse it has been known to happen
08:45 magnuse :-)
08:46 kf i think i ran into those sometime ago,i might be wrong too :)
08:46 kf or i might be thinking about something else. hm.
08:52 kf Joubu++
09:14 magnuse they are really hard to grep for, at least ;-)
09:14 magnuse kf++ for calling a qa meeting
09:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #341 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:16 kf we will see how it works out :)
09:24 * rangi giggles
09:24 rangi https://twitter.com/Marie_Idille/status/369738290951225344
09:26 rangi im not entirely sure how adding fields to MARC helps move from MARC
09:26 rangi people are funny
09:27 cjh maybe marc will become so over encumbered it falls over?
09:27 rangi heh
09:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #341: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/341/
09:53 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package)
09:53 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form
09:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about page
09:53 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10448: can now change framework after duplicating bib record
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Add item link on acquisitions add item is too small
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
09:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10448 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Changing framework when cataloguing clears all fields
09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #342 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:56 cjh finally found time to catch up on my rmaint :)
09:57 rangi cjh++
09:58 cjh probably worth mentioning that lately I have had issues with my RSI flaring up again, but for the time being I plan to keep rmaint-ing, just may be a bit slow.
10:00 rangi sweet, your health is more important, one of us can sub in if we need to, but cool if you can keep doing it
10:03 cjh ty, I havent been able to do it much for the last few weeks so got pretty close to asking for a volunteer, if it gets worse I will try let the community know ASAP.
10:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #342: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/342/
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: test case for sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: fix sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes
10:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name
10:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier.
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9770 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSortRoutine::Dewey can pad the wrong part of a call number internally
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier
10:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #343 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:43 magnuse cjh++
10:46 kf cjh++
10:47 magnuse health > Koha_3.8.x
10:47 magnuse Koha_master, on the other hand... ;-)
11:08 kf tsk :)
11:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #343: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/343/
11:08 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10127 : Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
11:08 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page
11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10127 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
11:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken
11:11 drojf hello again
11:11 drojf what's the offline mode of koha?
11:12 rangi maybe they mean offline circ?
11:13 drojf ah
11:13 drojf of course
11:13 kf my guess too
11:13 drojf or, at least very likely
11:13 * kf sends rangi to bed
11:14 * drojf drank coffee and is confused now
11:14 drojf so, everything is normal ;D
11:15 drojf i wonder what i have been working on, koha-wise
11:24 magnuse drojf: maybe check bugzilla?
11:25 drojf magnuse: yup, i found it there. i just got confused because it passed qa already
11:26 drojf i remember some qa manager asking about changes ;)
11:26 magnuse drojf: oh noes, the qa team culdn't leave it alone?
11:28 magnuse yeah, that qam...
11:29 magnuse bug 10344
11:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha
11:29 magnuse poor gmcharlt ;-)
11:39 kf hmpf poor qam?
11:39 kf poor qa people?
11:42 drojf yay RDA
11:43 * drojf hides
11:43 magnuse looking at the queue of signed off patches, i'm ready to agree to a "poor qam and qa people", yes
11:44 drojf goodness
11:44 drojf needs signoff is ridiculously high too
11:45 drojf people should go on vacation more often and stop submitting code :P
11:45 kf well stop submitting code until we have caught up would work for me
11:46 kf except for bug fixes
11:46 drojf so i better not change anything to my bug that passed qa, right? ;)
11:47 kf hmm not sure - was it me asking for changes?
11:47 kf and what's missing?
11:47 wahanui missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out
11:47 kf um thx wahanui
11:47 wahanui yw
11:47 oleonard wahanui: That made no sense.
11:47 wahanui oleonard: sorry...
11:47 oleonard Hi all
11:48 drojf i won't tell you what's missing, that would be counter-productive to my plan of being lazy
11:53 Viktor Hi!
11:54 Viktor Is it possible to display _where_ a book was returned on issuehistory.pl?
11:56 oleonard Viktor: I don't know what issuehistory.pl queries, but I see that the statistics table saves a branch code for entries with type='return'
11:57 Viktor That would be useful I think oleonard - thanks.
11:57 Viktor We'd like a simple way to se where books that has gone missing in transport was returned.
11:58 Viktor Just trying to make shure that we don't start writing an request for enhancment on stuff that's already available :)
12:02 jcamins Viktor: I don't think there's any option to do that now, but I think that could be added.
12:03 Viktor I'll add it for our 2014 wishlist then jcamins :) I'm noting all the stuff we find during the autumn and plan to tick at least a few off the list next year.
12:05 magnuse Viktor++
12:06 oleonard Looks like issuehistory.pl queries issues and old_issues, so it would have to be reworked to include the check-in library.
12:08 Viktor magnuse :)
12:08 kf Viktor: if it's transport, maybe it shows on the transports to receive (something like that) page?
12:09 Viktor oleonard Hm. As long as it's not too much work I guess we'd still want to get it done. Thanks for looking into it.
12:09 drojf patches welcome ;)
12:09 Viktor kf - That might very well catch quite a lot of the necessary examples.
12:10 Viktor drojf True :) No promises though. But we do have funding for 2014 for a few of our top priorities.
12:11 drojf nice! :)
12:11 Viktor It is :)
12:12 kf :)
12:50 druthb kf! drojf! How's Germany today?
12:51 tcohen morning #koha
12:52 kf druthb!
12:52 kf tcohen!
12:52 kf druthb: cloudy here but nice
12:52 magnuse druthb!
12:52 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:52 magnuse tcohen!
12:52 wahanui tcohen is 122
12:53 druthb magnuse! tcohen!
12:53 magnuse druthb!
12:53 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:54 drojf druthb!
12:54 drojf druthb: fascist as yesterday
12:54 drojf but the sun is shining ;)
12:54 druthb :)
13:00 oleonard tcohen! druthb! drojf! kf! wahanui!
13:00 drojf oleonard!
13:00 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did!
13:00 drojf tcohen!
13:00 drojf ;)
13:00 druthb oleonard!
13:00 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:01 tcohen drojf! oleonard!
13:02 kf oleonard!
13:02 wahanui somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did!
13:02 oleonard wahanui is overly concerned with my whereabouts.
13:03 druthb heh
13:03 druthb we all miss you when you're not here, oleonard.
13:04 * oleonard is neither constantly connected to IRC even when away from his computer nor young enough to spend 20 hours a day here
13:06 * kf wonders who would spend 20 hours in #koha
13:07 oleonard When we all get our Google Glasses we can have #koha running constantly in a corner of our vision
13:07 * druthb uses bip for that.
13:16 liw druthb, so one of your external brains is on #koha continuously :)
13:16 liw bip is nice
13:17 druthb yep. I don't miss things that way. jcamins can't say evil things about me, even with [off].
13:18 oleonard Oh no, I never thought of that!
13:18 * oleonard gives jcamins the evil eye
13:18 * jcamins has ops! He could accidentally kick someone then say evil things about them!
13:18 * druthb offers to set up a bip server for oleonard.
13:19 oleonard jcamins' reach knows no bounds
13:22 oleonard Thanks druthb, I think I'm getting a healthy dose of #koha for now :)
13:34 liw oleonard, then more of #koha would be even healthier!
13:39 tcohen feature freeze?
13:39 wahanui feature freeze is march 22nd 2013
13:40 tcohen you are outdated wahanui
13:41 druthb wahanui: forget feature freeze
13:41 wahanui druthb: I forgot feature freeze
13:42 druthb wahanui: botsnack frozen lemonade
13:42 wahanui thanks druthb :)
13:47 kf tcohen: release dates?
13:47 wahanui release dates are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
13:48 oleonard wahanui: Feature freeze is 3 October 2013
13:48 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:49 oleonard string freeze?
13:49 wahanui hmmm... string freeze is 24:00 8th October
13:49 oleonard wahanui: forget string freeze
13:49 wahanui oleonard: I forgot string freeze
13:49 oleonard wahanui: String freeze is 31 October 2013
13:49 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:50 oleonard brain freeze?
13:50 magnuse lol
13:50 druthb lol
13:50 oleonard wahanui: Brain freeze is <reply> Slow down, tiger.
13:50 wahanui OK, oleonard.
14:11 * gmcharlt is working on getting the website back up
14:11 kf frozen lemonade?
14:12 oleonard gmcharlt: That's going to be hard to do with all of us checking the web site to see what you're talking about
14:12 gmcharlt heh
14:12 gmcharlt drop in the bucket compared to whatever is overloading it at the moment
14:15 druthb kf: frozen lemonade. It's a good brain-freeze maker.
14:15 druthb also very yummy treat on a hot day.
14:15 oleonard sql_library++
14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:28 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50ff4f4a94598ce197c0ca5656d314195cf69d07>
14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1377 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:38 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ae3ea68579b3f870d7e42968c3727ecffac7f02> / Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54c6dccca70a142c14fff049cb3212694af86610> / Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to
14:47 gmcharlt website back up; there appears to have been a DDOS / attempt to compromise the WP login about four hours ago
14:47 druthb gmcharlt++
14:48 oleonard gmcharlt++
14:56 oleonard gmcharlt: Do you have time for a question?
14:56 gmcharlt yes
14:57 oleonard I think my Bootstrap OPAC theme is getting very close to being ready. I have a couple of minor issues still to resolve.
14:57 drojf you did not ask if gmcharlt has time for a second question…
14:57 oleonard What do you think I can do to help it along the process?
14:58 oleonard Daniel is going to include a note about it in the newsletter. so perhaps that will lead to more feedback.
14:58 oleonard But really it's almost ready for signoff.
14:58 oleonard (as far as I know from my own testing)
14:59 gmcharlt oleonard: one idea is to see if the QA folks are willing to put it on their agenda for the metting that kf has called
15:01 gmcharlt another thing that might help is identifying any pending OPAC template bugs that may be of higher priority than the Bootstrap theme -- and get some attention on those so that we minimize rebase iterations
15:01 gmcharlt also, a plain old announcement to koha-devel wouldn't hurt
15:02 oleonard That makes sense. I've done my best to track each new commit to the OPAC templates.
15:04 gmcharlt I'll also point a WCAG validator against a fresh install of it this week
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15:04 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message
15:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name
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15:10 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt
15:12 gmcharlt oleonard: http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev/commits/bootstrap-opac is the current branch, correct?
15:12 oleonard Yes
15:14 reiveune bye
15:16 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
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15:18 druthb @wunder 77098
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15:19 kf oleonard: not sure how much the qa team can do - we shoudl try to get some sign-offs first ideally - maybe also people could note somewhere what they tested... hm.
15:19 kf oleonard: it would be great to get someone test accessibility, but i am not sure how to do that
15:21 oleonard I'm not sure how signoffs should be handled since a patch would be too large to upload to Bugzilla
15:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d46657f8af980524a4351e40abe0b901d1af3e6a>
15:42 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #58: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/58/
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
15:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1377: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1377/
15:46 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message
15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name
15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1378 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #59: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/59/
16:21 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items
16:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items
16:50 gaetan_B bye !
16:56 magnuse oleonard, kf: couldn't positive comments on the bug just count as signoffs then?
16:58 gmcharlt magnuse: a statement to the effect of (a) I've tested the patch (b) I am willing to signoff on it (c) I authorize somebody up the line to add a Signed-off-by line to the commit message accordingly would be sufficient IMO
16:58 gmcharlt or simply -- "here's my branch in a Git repo that has the patch with my signoff"
16:59 magnuse sounds good to me
16:59 magnuse what's the plan again - will it replace prog in 3.14?
16:59 magnuse or will prog, ccsr and this new theme all be options in 3.14?
17:00 oleonard Just a third theme in 3.14
17:00 oleonard But later to become the single default theme--I hope!
17:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1378: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1378/
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
17:01 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax
17:01 gmcharlt depending on how it tests, I wouldn't be opposed to it supplantly CCSR in 3.14 as well
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax
17:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items
17:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1379 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:14 mtompset I was wondering if anyone would be adverse to a patch for the apache-shared.conf that adds a -Indexes on the Options line at the end.
17:14 druthb Hi, mtompset
17:14 mtompset Greetings, druthb!
17:15 magnuse mtompset: one way to find out is to submit a patch :-)
17:16 mtompset Any ideas on what to call the patch?
17:17 jcamins "Apache configuration should not display Indexes" ?
17:19 mtompset If I have a bunch of PDF files (for example), which I would like to have usable links in 856$u, what is the best way to serve these files from a Koha Server?
17:20 jcamins Either upload them manually or sign off on bug 6874?
17:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
17:22 mtompset Ooo... interesting enhancement. Thanks, jcamins!
17:23 mtompset jcamins++
17:26 mtompset We are in the midst of evaluating moving our hosting to another site, preferably in Europe, any suggestions as to sites good for hosting Koha on at low cost?
17:28 oleonard http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/#europe
17:33 magnuse mtompset: i use linode - they have a datacenter in london, and i have been quite happy with them (if that was the sort of thing you were thinking of)
17:36 * oleonard keeps thinking he should grow up and get VPS hosting so he could run his own Koha
17:36 * oleonard then remembers he isn't a system administrator
17:37 jcamins oleonard: Lots of people think that sort of thing. As it happens, I just heard about a service that will provide you with your own Koha, gratis! Unfortunately, source code access is not included.
17:37 jcamins Well- you can access the source code, it's just read-only.
17:38 jcamins :)
17:39 oleonard :P
17:39 * cait waves tiredly
17:39 * mtompset waves back to cait. :)
17:40 alphaman oleonard: I'm a sysadmin… ;)
17:47 ccsrgabrielle Hello! Does anyone know if there is a way to differentiate renewals made in the intranet vs renewals made in the OPAC? I need it for an SQL report
17:55 cait ccsrgabrielle: i think you only can do that in newr versions when there is a speciic system preference set
17:55 cait let me look it up
17:56 cait ccsrgabrielle: OpacRenewalBranch
17:56 magnuse oleonard: you don't believe in teaching * dogs new tricks?
17:56 ccsrgabrielle in wich version?
17:56 cait it will only record it i think when that is set to OPACRenew
17:56 cait hm not sure
17:57 cait not that new really... maybe 3.8?
17:57 cait 3.10?
17:57 wahanui 3.10 is released November 22.
17:57 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: 3.6 or later, looks like
17:59 cait so not really new at all :)
17:59 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.10
17:59 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.10
17:59 oleonard wahanui: 3.10 is Koha 3.10 was released 23 November 2012
17:59 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:00 ccsrgabrielle Okay. But it looks to be only for the branch and not to know if the renewals were made in the OPAC or in the intranet?
18:00 cait ccsrgabrielle: it will record opacrenewals if it's set to OpacRenew
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012
18:01 wahanui ...but 3.8 is very stable...
18:01 cait otherwise I am afraid there is maybe no way to tell
18:01 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.8
18:01 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.8
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012
18:01 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:01 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011
18:01 wahanui ...but 3.6 is more relevant...
18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.6
18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.6
18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011
18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:02 oleonard 3.4?
18:02 wahanui 3.4 is, like, still on schedule
18:02 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.4
18:02 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.4
18:02 ccsrgabrielle Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC?
18:02 oleonard wahanui: 3.4 is Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011
18:02 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:02 oleonard 3.2?
18:02 wahanui 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but drojf's guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use
18:03 oleonard wahanui: forget 3.2
18:03 wahanui oleonard: I forgot 3.2
18:03 oleonard wahanui: 3.2 is Koha 3.2.0 was released 22 October 2010
18:03 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:04 ccsrgabrielle cait: Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC?
18:04 oleonard wahanui: 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:04 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:08 gmcharlt ccsrgabrielle: yes
18:09 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks, i will try it! :)
18:13 oleonard @seen bag
18:13 huginn` oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <bag> pianohacker: rancor
18:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1379: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1379/
18:17 mtompset 1492?
18:17 wahanui 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:19 jcamins wahanui: forget 1492
18:19 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 1492
18:19 jcamins wahanui: 1492 is <reply> In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:19 wahanui OK, jcamins.
18:19 jcamins 1492?
18:19 wahanui In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
18:21 magnuse bug 1492?
18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1492 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, MARC subfields structure: can't switch to tab with label "@"
18:21 cait ccsrgabrielle: but only for rneewals made from the point on you change it
18:21 cait i mean after changing the setting
18:23 ccsrgabrielle cait: Ok. And how can i point it in my SQL report?
18:24 cait you will query the statistics table
18:24 cait i am not sure which column and should take time to eat some dinner :)
18:25 cait maybe easiest is doing a rnewal and look at the newest entries in the statistics table to see how it looks like
18:26 ccsrgabrielle Ok thanks! Have a good dinner :)
18:26 cait thx :)
18:27 magnuse enjoy your dinner cait
18:29 magnuse moahahah, a database with a table with columns called FIRST_NAME_1, FIRST_NAME_2, FIRST_NAME_3, FIRST_NAME_4 and FIRST_NAME_5
18:30 cait sounds fun?
18:30 jcamins magnuse: awesome!
18:30 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins
18:31 mtompset magnuse: Are you kidding?! That's so bad it's good.
18:32 magnuse no kidding, i'm afraid
18:32 magnuse it's something called "library IT". it's different from other kinds of IT.
18:33 druthb hm.
18:33 druthb awesome!
18:33 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, druthb
18:33 druthb oooh.
18:34 * druthb digs through her change, and puts in INR64, not having a dollar handy.
18:35 gmcharlt http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
18:39 mtompset That's a bizarre link. 5 years?! You have to be kidding me. What culture waits 5 years to name the kid?
18:43 oleonard Which one? The one you don't know about until after you've developed your database I guess.
18:45 mtompset There exist people with no name?
18:46 cait see commentson that post
18:48 magnuse oh and don't forget to format your dates like so: 11-JUN-99
18:48 gmcharlt magnuse: 1899 was an excellent year, don't you agree?
18:49 * druthb shudders
18:49 oleonard magnuse: Right, because the months come in alphabetical order right?
18:50 magnuse oleonard: of course they do!
18:50 magnuse oh and please remember to store your pin codes (passwords) as plain text
18:51 gmcharlt oleonard: do your library still use misc/cronjobs/stats/monthly_circulation_statistics.pl ?
18:51 oleonard gmcharlt: That doesn't sound familiar
18:52 gmcharlt oleonard: admittedly, it was only an allegation that ACPL ever used it at all :)
18:52 oleonard Filthy lies!
18:53 oleonard Hm, if it was authored by my former boss then I guess it might not be lies...
18:53 oleonard ...but it also means that it is *very* old
18:54 oleonard Anyway, we definitely don't use it.
19:03 gmcharlt oleonard: bug 10771
19:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10771 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , three disused scripts in misc/cronjobs/stats should be removed
19:04 oleonard +1
19:14 magnuse removing_dead_code++
19:14 oleonard reviving_dead_corpses--
19:15 druthb zombies--
19:15 mtompset Come on! Zombies are cool. And what about Ezekiel and the dry bones, or Jesus? :P
19:16 druthb I don't *have* to outrun a zombie apocalypse, mtompset. I just have to outrun *you* when we get caught in one.
19:16 mtompset removing_dead_code++
19:17 mtompset druthb: I was surprised at how well I did 400m's the other day. Of course, it was a bad time in general, but much better than I thought.
19:42 rangi hmm am i missing something
19:42 rangi did RDA suddenly not become modified MARC?
19:42 rangi https://twitter.com/3windmills/status/369832361049202688
19:43 cait rangi: it is not really...
19:43 cait rangi: it is more modified aacr... for the idea of it
19:44 cait my coworker spend like 3 hours trying to explain it to me... no guarantees i gotit right :)
19:44 rangi yes
19:44 rangi but can you represent it in anything other than MARC
19:44 rangi ?
19:45 cait yes i think you can
19:45 rangi just no one has or does?
19:45 cait and they will do that here... because our databases are internally not marc
19:45 rangi actually i think that makes it even worse
19:45 cait we export marc
19:45 cait you can certainly think that
19:45 rangi ive yet to see it defined in any way other than what marc fields it uses
19:46 cait [off] i guess you'd have to pay for that privilege... couldn't spot lots of marc in the rda toolkit descriptions
19:47 oleonard If RDA wasn't MARC how could we be seeing RDA records coming out of library catalogs already?
19:47 rangi *nod*
19:47 rangi i mean i understand that AACR2 and RDA are supposedly cataloguing rules
19:48 rangi but they are tied so heavily to what goes in what subfield and what indicator , adn 264 being better than 260
19:48 rangi that i think RDA is no more separate from MARC than AACR2 is
19:48 gmcharlt rangi: of course they're not dependent on MARC! You can always hand-write catalog cards based on RDA and AACR2 rules!
19:48 rangi heheh
19:49 gmcharlt to be fair, there were efforts during the RDA process by some folks to achieve more of a detachment from MARC
19:50 rangi *nod*
19:50 rangi i was cheering for them
19:50 rangi they lost tho
19:50 gmcharlt but my impression is that those are nowadays subsumed in the BIBFRAME effort
19:50 rangi *nod*
19:51 rangi my main issue with RDA is the time and money being invested in it, will make people even slower to move from MARC
19:51 rangi 'but we just spent x thousand on converting to RDA!!'
19:52 gmcharlt well, any successor to MARC is going to have to *prove* a real benefit ... certainly RDA per se has made a lot of folks suspicious
19:52 * oleonard shudders... "x thousand!"
19:53 gmcharlt and I think it will need to go beyond "in theory Linked Data means more sharing! lower cataloguing costs!" to "in actuality..."
19:55 rangi yeah
19:56 rangi which means i need to finish my stuff, and make sparql.koha-community.org and the button in koha to push/pull from it
19:56 rangi someone win lotto for me
19:56 * gmcharlt hands rangi a shiny simolean
19:57 oleonard sparql?
19:58 jcamins rangi: I don't think you understand.
19:58 jcamins Bibframe is the future.
19:58 jcamins Bibframe is where it's at.
19:58 jcamins We don't have data in MARC, we have data in Bibframe^0, which looks like MARC.
19:58 rangi oleonard: so far, in my rdf branch, when you add or modify a biblio, it converts it to rdf and stores it as NTriples in a designated sparql endpoint
19:59 rangi next, i want to add the ability when in the staff site, to enrich that record, ie spawn a search of VIAF and link that, and then save that enhanced rdf
19:59 rangi then i want a way, to 'publish' it
19:59 rangi have you seen http://ratings.koha-community.org/
19:59 oleonard I understood some of those words.
19:59 rangi im thinking somethign like that but for rdf
20:00 rangi a sparql endpoint you can think of as a database
20:00 rangi that you query with sparql
20:00 rangi you can do thinks like INSERT { rdf goes here }
20:01 rangi it looks similar to sql
20:01 rangi my theory is, if there is a way for a koha library to push its enhanced rdf
20:01 rangi and a way for others to grab that
20:02 rangi we can show how you can copy catalogue
20:02 rangi it wont work
20:02 rangi but i like tilting at windmills
20:18 * gmcharlt hands rangi a Don Quixote badge
20:19 * oleonard hands rangi a poncho
20:24 oleonard Bye #koha
20:25 * cait tries handing a cookie
20:25 cait cookies always work, right?
20:26 druthb cookies?
20:26 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
20:26 druthb :D
20:29 jcamins I shall impersonate- a man. Come, enter into my imagination and see him! Bony, hollow-faced, with eyes that burn with the fire of inner vision. He conceives of the strangest project ever imagined... to reform library data, abolishing all MARC!
20:47 cait jcamins: i am sorry, i don't get the reference, quite sure tho there is one?
20:48 * cait nibbles on a cookie and tries to be quiet
20:51 gmcharlt cait: Man of La Mancha
20:51 * gmcharlt grabs a cookie and starts nibbling too
20:51 cait oh that fits of course
21:00 cjh morning
21:03 * magnuse cheers rangi on
21:03 magnuse hey, maybe i can be sancho panza?
21:05 magnuse nah, didn't he really tag along to make sure don quixote didn't inflict too much harm on himself and others?
21:06 * magnuse wants to see maximum harm inflicted on MARC and its minions
21:06 rangi back
21:07 magnuse wb rangi
21:09 * magnuse hopes rangi will submit what he has - saving records as rdf in a triplestore is an excellent start, we can do the ui for enhancing the data + sparql.koha-community.org later :-)
21:10 * magnuse is working on an rdf browser for the opac
21:10 * magnuse like stalking to himeslf late at night
21:10 magnuse or "likes talking", your choice
21:10 rangi magnuse: its all pushed up
21:11 rangi ill submit as patches at some point
21:11 * magnuse hopes for sooner rather than later ;-)
21:12 rangi i even fixed the typo u spotted :)
21:12 magnuse rangi++
21:15 magnuse oh well, have fun #koha!
21:58 dani1 hello, newbie here with a question about fines and long overdues.
21:59 cait hi dani
22:00 dani1 hello
22:00 cait we will try to help, but i have never used the long overdue script, so ont sure how much help i can be there
22:00 cait we do use fines tho :)
22:00 dani1 OK. if a book have been changed to long overdue, and then later returned. I know the fine is removed, but no max late fine is charged?
22:01 dani1 is this because there is no per-item max?
22:01 cait hm
22:01 cait wasn't it removed from the patron account with long overdue?
22:01 dani1 yes. So I patron could turn in a book 100 days overdue and not get charged anything?
22:01 cait they should be charged the replacement price for the bug
22:02 cait book
22:02 cait when it's set to long overdue (I think)
22:02 wizzyrea there's an option for that, yes
22:02 cait if it works like the other lost status
22:02 dani1 but when the book is returned the replacement price is removed
22:02 cait there is a system preference for that now - it's something with refund
22:02 cait if you search for lost in administration it might turn up
22:02 wizzyrea I think the fines charged prior to long overdue still stand though
22:02 rangi they do
22:02 rangi they are done with a different fines script
22:02 cait hm yes, they wouldn#t get removed
22:03 wizzyrea but there is no per item max
22:03 cait dani1: do you run the fines script?
22:03 wizzyrea there's an across the board maximum
22:03 cait wizzyrea: hm there is
22:03 cait wizzyrea: in 3.12
22:03 wizzyrea dani1: are you running 3.12?
22:03 cait maxfine got moved to the circulation matrix
22:03 wizzyrea that's cool I didn't realise that
22:03 dani1 no 3.10
22:03 wizzyrea either way, pretty new feature ;0
22:03 wizzyrea ;)
22:04 wizzyrea so no, currently you have only the across the board max fine
22:04 dani1 Well, we are trying to decide how to set up a new library. Director wants max fine or some fine to be charged for long overdues that get turned in 100 days late.
22:04 cait dani1: did you check for lost configuration options in the system preferences?
22:05 wizzyrea ^^
22:05 dani1 no wizzyrea, looking now
22:07 wizzyrea but yea, I recall that there was a change to flip the switch as to whether the charge is removed
22:07 wizzyrea I think it's a syspref
22:07 cait it is
22:07 cait just not sure which version
22:07 wizzyrea i am pretty sure 3.10 but.... eeeee... not sure
22:07 dani1 So, her choice is fee removed or not, instead of max fines per item...
22:08 wizzyrea maybe that was 3.12
22:08 wizzyrea right
22:08 dani1 OK. Got it.
22:08 wizzyrea cool, welcome to the community :)
22:08 dani1 thanks! That didn't even hurt. ;)
22:08 wizzyrea ^.^
22:11 wizzyrea ya hop in and ask questions anytime
22:13 dani1 I am sure I will be back for more.
22:15 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56234257935/koha-irc-regulars-when-someone-new-shows-up-in
22:15 wizzyrea dani1 ^
22:21 dani1 ha!
22:42 drojf evening
22:48 drojf we really have to talk about the service in here. what if i'd be a koha novice in desperate need of help?
22:48 rangi heh
22:51 drojf eythian++ # making edge open a website and summoning a schienenschleifwagen
22:52 drojf i consider keeping him :P
22:52 wizzyrea you may not have him!
22:53 wizzyrea (unless he wants to. :P)
23:20 cjh drojf: for a small payment of $49.99/month we can upgrade you to #koha+
23:22 drojf cjh: lol. that sounds very attractive ;)
23:24 * mtompset doesn't know if he should make the joke....
23:24 mtompset Really? #koha+ sounds lib... nah, won't go there.
23:25 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
23:32 cjh heh
23:41 dcook morning #koha
23:48 wizzyrea looks like proper RDA support is going to have to be something high on the priority list very soon.
23:48 dcook wizzyrea: Oh?
23:48 dcook Why might that be?
23:49 wizzyrea lots of people bringing in RDA records that aren't displayed properly.
23:49 dcook What does displayed properly mean though?
23:50 dcook Thanks to bgkriegel and others who have worked on the frameworks, the new frameworks should have up to date tags
23:50 wizzyrea it's not about the frameworks.
23:50 dcook (Although their hidden attributes might need to be edited so that data isn't lost when a record is opened and saved again)
23:50 dcook The templates then?
23:50 wizzyrea mostly the XSLT's
23:51 dcook I did add in the 336, 337, 338, and 264 into our XSLT recently
23:51 dcook I haven't heard about what other tags people are wanting though
23:51 wizzyrea I'm hoping to get people to file bugs about it.
23:52 dcook wizzyrea++
23:52 dcook That would be awesome :)
23:52 dcook I took a gander a while ago at the Library of Congress catalogue, but the only thing I noticed were the 336,337,338
23:53 dcook They probably had handling for the 264 as well
23:53 dcook The second indicator does help in terms of figuring out what to display for label text (provided they've been catalogued according to spec)
23:53 * dcook tries to find some RDA records in LoC
23:54 dcook I've noticed they don't display 336,337,338 in the brief record. Only the full record tab.
23:54 dcook http://lccn.loc.gov/2013032917
23:55 dcook And the permalink I guess..
23:57 dcook Projected publication date of 1310, eh?
23:59 wizzyrea there are some changes as to how authors are catalogued as well