Time  Nick         Message
23:35 dcook        hey ya mtompset
23:35 mtompset     Greetings, dcook. :)
23:22 dcook        morning #koha
22:05 wahanui      goodnight cait. You'll be back.
22:05 cait         night all
21:08 rangi        joubu++
21:08 rangi        kenza++
21:00 cait         one of the questions i guess
20:59 wizzyrea     the question is whether "most circulated" should look at current loans in addition to completed loans?
20:58 cait         also an excellent question
20:58 * wizzyrea   wonders why it doesn't ask statistics.
20:57 cait         and i was hoping for your help :)
20:57 wizzyrea     also good morning
20:57 cait         tcohen was confusing me about the most circulated item reports
20:57 wizzyrea     name*
20:57 wizzyrea     sorry I saw my neam
20:36 tcohen       thanks cait
20:36 tcohen       yeah, I guess
20:36 cait         i think it really depends on definition a lot
20:35 tcohen       our libraries don't use the report because they find it in-accurate
20:35 cait         you might want to ask some more people - maybe wizzyrea
20:35 cait         i don't really know :(
20:34 tcohen       ok, so it is customary to count only checked-in items, and libraries expect Koha to work like that
20:34 cait         i know some ils does it that way
20:33 cait         hm no i don't think so
20:33 tcohen       but "renewed" should count as checked-in and then checked-out again
20:33 cait         tcohen: i think an explicit filter would be nicest
20:33 cait         tcohen: maybe
20:33 oleonard     Bye everyone
20:32 tcohen       it depends on the definition of "circulated" I guess
20:32 cait         i think i wouldn't expect that to make a difference
20:32 cait         but i wouldn't make it dependenton the checkin /checkout dates
20:32 cait         hm i think that's not an easy question
20:31 tcohen       it only queries old-issues
20:31 cait         does it query issues and old_issues already?
20:30 cait         include/not include checked out items
20:30 cait         maybe we should have a checkbox
20:30 cait         tcohen: hm i think i disagree
20:29 tcohen       cgi-bin/koha/reports/cat_issues_top.pl
20:28 cait         not sure what we are talking about :)
20:28 wahanui      well, that is a good idea.
20:28 cait         where is that?
20:28 cait         tcohen: um
20:21 tcohen       would u agree that if no check-in filter is passed, current loans should be considered too?
20:21 cait         ok? :)
20:21 cait         uhoh
20:21 tcohen       cait, question on top most circulated items
20:15 cait         truncating old_reserves fixed it
20:15 cait         mismathc of ids between reserves and old_reserves?
20:15 cait         aah
20:14 cait         jcamins: i htink i am missing something in my database probably
20:14 cait         ah he flees.
20:13 jcamins      It passes for me.
20:13 cait         for me
20:13 cait         I think it should work... but it doesn't
20:13 cait         hm, does db_d/Circulation.t fial for someone else?
20:12 cait         but right now I woudl ike to know why this test fails
20:12 cait         hm yeah
20:11 jcamins      There's "not doing QA."
20:09 cait         not really
20:09 mtompset     Is there a non-mean qa mode too, cait?
20:09 mtompset     mean qa mode?!
20:08 cait         khall: still around?
20:08 cait         hm.
20:06 * cait       switches to mean qa mode
20:06 * cait       waves again
20:00 alaquerre    I did try to put in javascript but did'nt work.. thanks anyway! :-)
19:58 jcamins      Though I could be wrong.
19:58 jcamins      alaquerre: I do not think that can be done.
19:57 alaquerre    I know but user are asking us to be able to do so.
19:56 pianohacker  alaquerre: What you're talking about would be much easier with XSLT
19:56 alaquerre    Reference : http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/administration.html#isbdpref
19:54 alaquerre    Hi all, quick question : Is there any way to add "logic" in the ISBD sys. pref ?  My case is : I would like to move a field display only if the first line is empty. ( If 100$xx are empty, move 260$c after 245$xx, if 100$XX is not empty display 260$c before 245$xx).
19:47 pianohacker  my hope is to also be able to save to the reservoir and use it as a staging area for records, if that's your thing
19:46 pianohacker  I'm separating the two completely in the new cataloging editor, actually
19:44 jcamins      I generally don't, other than "cataloging search includes results from the reservoir."
19:41 oleonard     How do you explain to the user the difference between results returned by a regular search and those returned by a "cataloging search?"
19:41 jcamins      gmcharlt: I prefer QP syntax. It's far less ambiguous.
19:41 jcamins      And I'm not saying it would be a bad thing to do that. I think it's a great idea. But not something I foresee happening.
19:40 gmcharlt     ;)
19:40 gmcharlt     jcamins: oh, that's easy: CCL for ALL!
19:40 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
19:40 jcamins      I mean, unless we're going to go the Biblionarrator route and massively reconceptualize the catalogue to eliminate the distinction between "professional" and "public" interfaces.
19:39 jcamins      I don't quite know what we'd get by removing that.
19:39 oleonard     jcamins: It sounds like the hangup is the ability to search the reservoir
19:38 jcamins      Are we proposing to get rid of the cataloging search?
19:37 drojf        would be much easier then, i liked spelt more than wheat anyway
19:36 jcamins      I did not know that.
19:36 jcamins      Hm.
19:36 drojf        not
19:36 drojf        no it's no
19:35 jcamins      drojf: I thought spelt was gluten-free?
19:35 drojf        jcamins: i'm completely off gluten, so none of those
19:34 jcamins      I know spelt is safe, but I'm not sure about rye.
19:33 jcamins      If there's no wheat.
19:32 jcamins      drojf: can you eat things made with rye and spelt flour?
19:31 drojf        druthb: thanks for the cookie. don't feel like eating
19:29 drojf        if you ever wondered what berlin looks like in 2013, that's it http://www.demotix.com/news/2454005/neo-nazis-protest-against-newly-moved-refugees-berlin/all-media
19:20 cait         heh :)
19:20 oleonard     I'm always excited to find a bug I can fix hiding in a module that I don't normally fix bugs in.
19:18 cait         sometimes it's really tempting to mark all bugs somehow with one of the modules oleonard takes care of... :)
19:18 cait         oleonard++ :)
18:46 * druthb     waves to drojf, and offers a cookie.
18:31 * cait       wills her dinner to cook faster
18:30 cait         gmcharlt++ #lol :)
18:30 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries'
18:30 cait         bug 10542
18:29 jcamins      That I could fix.
18:29 gmcharlt     jcamins: you'll notice somebody standing behind you holding up a brass halo ;)
18:29 jcamins      Oh.
18:29 cait         i don't mean the general feature, just that it doesn't work with the queryparser
18:29 jcamins      Well, given a saint, sure.
18:29 cait         not at all?
18:29 cait         hm
18:29 jcamins      10766 is fixable. opacsuppression... not really.
18:28 cait         *sigh*
18:28 jcamins      cait: not a chance.
18:28 cait         and really only joking
18:28 cait         jcamins:  you could fix opacsuppression if you got bored ;)
18:28 cait         gmcharlt++
18:27 jcamins      gmcharlt++
18:27 jcamins      I was going to patch it after I finished this e-mail.
18:27 jcamins      gmcharlt: gosh that was fast.
18:27 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10766 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cataloging reservoir search broken if UseQueryParser is off
18:27 gmcharlt     jcamins: I call your attention to bug 10766
18:17 cait         hi rambutan and pianohacker :)
18:11 rambutan     hi cait
18:06 pianohacker  hey cait
18:04 cait         good evening #koha
17:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1376: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1376/
17:47 druthb       oh, absolutely.
17:47 jcamins      You aren't amused by that quote?
17:47 druthb       :P
17:47 druthb       some persons are easily amused.
17:46 * jcamins    amuses himself.
17:46 jcamins      lol
17:46 huginn`      druthb: Quote #256: "<jcamins> Cool. New and spectacularly revised deduper works. And it is, if I may say, a super deduper." (added by wizzyrea at 03:33 AM, June 05, 2013)
17:46 druthb       @quote random
17:24 huginn`      gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012)
17:24 gmcharlt     @quote random
16:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1376 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:45 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10701 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In transit information doesn't display on the bibliographic detail page
16:45 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page
16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list
16:45 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in the OPAC
16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list
16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search history
16:45 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC "most popular" page
16:45 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9916 - Use DataTables in the OPAC
16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1375: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1375/
16:06 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10701 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , In transit information doesn't display on the bibliographic detail page
16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page
16:06 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables in the OPAC
16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list
16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list
16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search history
16:06 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC "most popular" page
16:06 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9916 - Use DataTables in the OPAC
16:06 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #56: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/56/
15:51 gaetan_B     bye !
15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1375 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:31 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , subscription-renew generates unnecessary warnings in logs
15:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Field: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel
15:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
15:31 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1374: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1374/
15:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #56 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:29 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10704 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Search term highlighting doesn't work beyond the first results page
15:29 jenkins_koha Jonathan Field: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel
15:29 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #55: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/55/
15:27 druthb       jcamins++
15:27 jcamins      Ha!
15:27 wahanui      Can we get some hard data on that?
15:27 jcamins      Looks like it.
15:27 wahanui      OK, jcamins
15:27 jcamins      wahanui: Looks like it =~ s/$/?/
15:27 wahanui      That doesn't contain '\$', jcamins
15:27 jcamins      wahanui: Looks like it =~ s/\$/?/
15:27 wahanui      I didn't have anything matching 'can we get some hard data on that', jcamins
15:27 jcamins      wahanui: Can we get some hard data on that =~ s/\$/?/
15:26 wahanui      I didn't have anything matching 'looks like it is', jcamins
15:26 jcamins      wahanui: Looks like it is =~ s/\$/?/
15:26 wahanui      ...but looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that$...
15:26 jcamins      wahanui: Looks like it is s/\$/?/
15:25 wahanui      Can we get some hard data on that$
15:25 jcamins      Looks like it
15:25 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
15:25 jcamins      wahanui: Looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that$
15:24 oleonard     dang
15:24 wahanui      bugger all, i dunno, oleonard
15:24 oleonard     wahanui: Looks like it is <reply> Can we get some hard data on that?
15:24 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot looks like it
15:24 oleonard     wahanui: forget looks like it
15:20 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10701: fix display of transit status on the bibliographic detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a6e9c48c5c63e17318f4c8e5c7f0400bab0c363>
15:19 * druthb     chucks a Skittle at wahanui.
15:19 wahanui      looks like it is only free as in beer but i think that will do for the person who is supposed to use it
15:19 jcamins      Looks like it.
15:18 tcohen       it does
15:17 tcohen       does debian have the update-perl-sax-parsers script?
15:17 tcohen       i'm on vacation today, don't have access to my dev server
15:14 jcamins      Try triggering a stacktrace in the correct SAX parser. I was concerned about the same thing initially, but found that it worked anyway.
15:14 tcohen       but i'm confident you are right, np
15:13 tcohen       i don't see the install scripts changing anything sax related
15:12 jcamins      tcohen: I'm pretty sure that the packages load the correct XML parser anyway.
15:11 gmcharlt     s/bad/bad not suited for MARC::File::XML/
15:11 jcamins      gmcharlt: unfortunately, no one can come up with that edge case.
15:11 gmcharlt     I don't have the details hand, however
15:11 gmcharlt     IIRC, there is an edge case where Expat is indeed bad
15:10 tcohen       maybe sax_parser_print.pl should not say Expat is bad
15:09 tcohen       i just noticed sax_parser_print.pl said my setup was bad
15:09 jcamins      I found that the packages Just Worked when it camed to selecting a parser, and that I could not recreate any problems with other parsers anyway.
15:08 jcamins      tcohen: and you're having problems with parsing?
15:08 tcohen       does MARC::File::XML take care of setting its xml parser?
15:08 kf           gmcharlt++
15:07 gmcharlt     or rather, could become moot if we bump up the required version of MARC::File::XML to 1.0.1
15:07 tcohen       i have a vanilla 12.04 with Expat set as the highest priority
15:06 gmcharlt     related, the issue becomes moot in Jessie
15:06 jcamins      tcohen: I don't know where, but it definitely sets up the SAX parser correctly.
15:06 reiveune     bye
15:06 tcohen       i don't see it jcamins
15:05 jcamins      tcohen: it does.
15:05 tcohen       should postinstall script from packages handle SAX Parser selection?
15:00 gmcharlt     oleonard++
15:00 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order on OPAC tags list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dee3354bd63d32e6a320bf2b7d8491ffc41ec40c> / bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for self-check loan list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7630e0b5ae5d76fb8f57e0f59a702047dee79137> / bug 9916: (follow-up) restore default sort order for OPAC search hi
14:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #55 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:51 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , subscription-renew generates unnecessary warnings in logs
14:51 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
14:51 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl
14:51 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #54: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/54/
14:46 kmkale       bye friends. See you around :-)
14:40 kmkale       hi kf :-)
14:40 kmkale       Looks useful. Thanks jcamins
14:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50
14:40 wahanui      bug 10678 is a nice and harmless improvement
14:40 kf           bug 10678
14:36 jcamins      I'm using ElasticSearch in my new project. It's great.
14:36 kmkale       Oh. Just curious cause we are using Solr in our current project.
14:35 jcamins      They did, but it was based on 3.2. Some of their code has been ported, but not all.
14:34 kmkale       humm. I thought Biblibre had a working setup with solr last time I was around
14:33 jcamins      Zebra-only until someone picks up the work on solr.
14:32 kmkale       So whats the roadmap? Zebra AND Solr or Only Zebra?
14:32 jcamins      There is some code for Solr, but it is not full-featured.
14:31 kmkale       oh!
14:31 jcamins      Not really, no.
14:31 kmkale       Hey one quick question : Is koha on Solr now?
14:30 gmcharlt     heh
14:30 kmkale       :-D urm experienced experienced :-P
14:29 gmcharlt     hey!  who are you calling old? ;)
14:29 kmkale       haha then nothing to worry about. Old hand at the helm!!
14:28 jcamins      gmcharlt: hehe. Very nice.
14:28 * gmcharlt   is
14:28 kmkale       :-D and who is the brave RM?
14:28 gmcharlt     same old, same old, just baking some Koha Pi
14:28 jcamins      The RM for 3.12 survived the release process, barely, and is gradually recovering.
14:27 kmkale       So friends whats happening in kohaland? :-)
14:26 kmkale       Hi Galen
14:26 gmcharlt     hi kmkale
14:26 kmkale       hey Ruth :-)
14:26 druthb       Hi, kmkale!  :)
14:26 kmkale       :-)
14:26 kmkale       Just came to hang and meet friends
14:25 kmkale       No :-(
14:25 jcamins      Thanks. Are you working on Koha again?
14:25 kmkale       Good to hear that jcamins. ALl the best on the new project
14:23 jcamins      Doing pretty well. Just launched a new product, which is always exciting.
14:23 kmkale1      Hi jcamins :-) Indeed!! how are you?
14:22 jcamins      Hey, kmkale1. Long time no see. :)
14:22 kmkale1      Hello #koha
14:20 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10704: make OPAC highlighting work across previous/next travel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d0aea7c39e22f42760c3ecbba4c0cd0818785a7> / bug 10728: fix additional log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e864430caaa951b06d5fecff3fe7864317e5e26> / Bug 10728: fix log noise generated by subscription-renew.pl <http://gi
14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1374 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
14:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #54 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
14:12 huginn`      rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 22.1°C (9:12 AM CDT on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
14:12 rambutan     @wunder 64507
14:07 tcohen       it proposes a small workflow change for z39.50 cataloguing
14:06 tcohen       kf, would u give 10678 a try if have the time?
13:59 huginn`      druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 26.7°C (8:49 AM CDT on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: -999%. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
13:59 druthb       @wunder 77098
13:54 tcohen       hi kf
13:49 kf           and hi tcohen :)
13:49 kf           oleonard++
13:48 huginn`      tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 20.0°C (10:00 AM ART on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
13:48 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:48 tcohen       morning #koha
13:38 oleonard     Doing it now
13:38 kf           it's probably not hard, i just got confused
13:38 kf           oleonard: you will still need to rebase :) i failed miserably at trying
13:37 oleonard     kenza++
13:37 oleonard     Indeed.
13:37 kf           kenza++
13:35 kf           hi jcamins
13:30 jcamins      Good morning.
13:29 kf           hi oleonard
13:28 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:08 kf           heh
13:08 * magnuse    will refrain from that in the future, at least in public
13:07 kf           that was for your selfish sighing :)
13:07 kf           lol
13:07 wahanui      i think kf is very interested in accessibility
13:07 magnuse      kf?
13:00 * kf         pokes magnuse
12:55 * magnuse    breathes a selfish sigh of relief
12:54 kf           intersting
12:53 jcamins      Nor Arabic.
12:53 kf           meh
12:53 jcamins      But not in German.
12:53 kf           you don't have german by chance?
12:53 wahanui      norwegian is like the german!
12:53 jcamins      And Norwegian.
12:53 kf           it doesn't in german
12:53 kf           maybe i mistranslated something
12:52 jcamins      It works fine in French.
12:52 kf           yep
12:52 jcamins      In tools?
12:52 kf           the quotes list in the staff interface
12:52 kf           can somen confirm that quotes only show up for untanslated (english) templates?
12:52 kf           hm
12:39 jcamins      Not in months and months.
12:39 jcamins      I don't think so.
12:39 jcamins      Hmmm...
12:38 marcelr      ?
12:38 marcelr      has one been removed from the codebase
12:38 marcelr      i need to check that
12:38 jcamins      marcelr: I have not. Is it possible that you were using a plugin that has been deleted?
12:38 marcelr      Edit marc record gives no problems
12:37 marcelr      anyone else seen this problem in current master: add/edit items: click Edit: Undefined subroutine &main::plugin_parameters called ? Did not change anything in frameworks..
12:37 marcelr      hi #koha
12:19 magnuse      [off] yay!
12:18 jcamins      [off] www.librarydaredevils.com
12:18 jcamins      [off] Apparently Tweetbot is sleepy this morning.
12:17 magnuse      [off] jcamins: ?
11:46 jcamins      [off] Well, we're official.
11:31 drojf        nice :)
11:31 kf           loud!
11:31 kf           oh wow thunder
11:29 drojf        [off] just a video tutorial please. :)
11:28 kf           [off] it will be a pleasure, do you prefer mail, slides or a complete screencast? :)
11:18 drojf        [off] hello. i have a very generic question. please answer in full detail. :P
10:52 khall        hi kf!
10:52 kf           hi khall
10:24 drojf        hi kf
10:22 kf           hi drojf
10:07 drojf        hi #koha
10:00 wahanui      [_] is square
10:00 kf           [_]?
10:00 wahanui      OK, kf.
10:00 kf           wahanui:  [_] is square
09:51 magnuse      [_]?
09:51 magnuse      [_] is square
09:51 magnuse      be there or be [_]
09:50 magnuse      :-)
09:49 kf           is it? yay!
09:41 magnuse      ooh, that's this friday, folks!
09:41 wahanui      rumour has it next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day
09:41 magnuse      next gbsd?
09:41 magnuse      gah, needs signoff is at 163 again...
08:53 magnuse      hiya samueld
08:33 samueld      hi everybody
07:36 dcook        Have a good day kf, magnuse, any anyone lurking ;)
07:36 dcook        Thanks :)
07:34 kf           sleep well :)
07:34 * dcook      is silly for staying
07:34 dcook        Ahh...I should go...
07:29 magnuse      kf: ah
07:28 * dcook      doesn't think that he's that threatening :p
07:28 kf           magnuse: the question was more if i should run or hide :)
07:28 dcook        Wait a minute...:p
07:28 dcook        Mmm, I should run as it's 5:28pm but I'll...
07:26 * magnuse    urges dcook to run or hide
07:26 * kf         looks for dcook
07:26 kf           hi magnuse :)
07:26 magnuse      kia ora kf!
07:25 magnuse      i wonder how it gets the images
07:24 magnuse      it requires memcached? that's interesting
07:22 dcook        Oooo, it works with mouse scroll too
07:22 magnuse      yup
07:21 dcook        Oooh. Looks cool!
07:20 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10756 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Carousel Display of New Titles on OPAC home page
07:20 magnuse      ooh bug 10756
07:11 dcook        Which really is the most important part
07:11 dcook        Yep, that part does
07:10 magnuse      does that work?
07:08 dcook        But the verb can take a setSpec for selective harvesting..
07:08 dcook        Me thinks it's currently set up just to show identifier and datestamp
07:08 dcook        It's part of the Header
07:07 dcook        As should GetRecord and ListIdentifiers, I believe
07:07 dcook        Yep
07:07 magnuse      ListIdentifiers is supposed to show which sets each record belongs to?
07:01 dcook        I swear it did last week though..
07:01 dcook        I've run build_oai_sets.pl and the DB table looks all right but ListIdentifiers isn't showing anything..
07:01 dcook        I'm having issues with OAI sets not showing up for Koha :(
07:00 magnuse      hehe
07:00 dcook        Oh...how is it 5pm already...
06:59 dcook        Or if they do realize, they don't raise it with anyone, because it's too timeconsuming
06:59 dcook        Most users might not know when they're getting all the results they should (or getting ones they shouldn't)
06:59 dcook        Alas, I think it's one of those issues that isn't super visible
06:58 dcook        Agreed
06:57 magnuse      more people and companies could chip in there...
06:57 wahanui      it has been said that search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
06:57 magnuse      search rewrite?
06:57 magnuse      yeah
06:53 dcook        Which is quite unfortunate when one thinks about the OPAC as a big search engine for users...
06:52 huginn`      dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:52 dcook        @later tell cait People already realize that Koha searching isn't the best
06:52 cait         sorry!
06:52 dcook        As you mentioned before, that's already the case
06:52 cait         ok, time to run :)
06:52 cait         yeah probably, but thefacets will really pull it to the light
06:52 dcook        This location facet isn't really any different from anything else
06:51 dcook        Ah, but we already have made those false promises
06:51 cait         more dangerous than not having the feature :)
06:51 dcook        Ok. Galen might have an opinion as well.
06:51 cait         dcook: offering features that don't quite work is making false promises i think
06:51 cait         dcook: i have added an opinion - but leaving as passed qa
06:50 reiveune     hello
06:50 cait         dcook: that's the problem
06:46 dcook        I think it might make more sense to fix the search rather than hiding facets. Mind you, fixing search isn't a trivial task...
06:45 dcook        Or rather "could" yield..
06:45 dcook        Doing an advanced search for branch A and location B (or item type B, etc) will yield potentially misleading results
06:44 dcook        You can accomplish the same thing via the advanced search
06:44 dcook        Plus, it's not just facets
06:44 dcook        I agree that it's potentially confusing having them on by default, but I think not having item-level facets all together isn't going to go down very well
06:41 cait         dcook: or that on by default is confusing by default... unless you have a specific use case
06:41 cait         the more i think the singlebranchmode limitation was the right thing to do.
06:41 cait         dcook: the more I think o fit
06:41 cait         dcook: hm
06:36 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
06:36 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
06:36 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
06:36 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:36 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 23.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:36 magnuse      @wunder marseille
06:36 magnuse      bonjour gaetan_B
06:33 gaetan_B     hallo cait, wie geht's ?
06:33 cait         hi gaetan_B
06:33 wahanui      privet, gaetan_B
06:33 gaetan_B     hello
06:25 magnuse      kia ora cait and dcook
06:23 cait         morning magnuse
06:23 * cait       thinks she would spend the day meeting koha friends if there was teleportation
06:22 dcook        hey ya magnuse :)
06:22 * magnuse    waves
06:16 dcook        teleport even
06:16 dcook        Mind you, I walked 7km yesterday without it. I probably wouldn't have done all that had I been able to teleprot..
06:16 dcook        Mmm, wouldn't it?
06:16 cait         teleportation... that would be nice
06:15 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:15 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
06:15 dcook        Teleportation?
06:15 dcook        Umbrella?
06:13 cait         now i only have to figure out how to get to work without getting wet :)
06:13 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on August 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:13 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:04 dcook        Cool :)
06:03 cait         dcook: i reset the status :)
06:01 cait         lots of whitespace there in the template, i think i really missed them
05:58 dcook        I was going to say that we should add them, but decided to take a last minute look for them and saw them there
05:57 dcook        I totally forgot about them as well :)
05:56 cait         and you are right - i checked and still totally missed those :(
05:56 cait         dcook: checking for those ids again
05:53 cait         yeah, i was thinking something similar :)
05:49 dcook        That might be a good way of going
05:49 dcook        jcamins mentioned the possibility of a translateable Template Toolkit plugin
05:48 * dcook      shrugs
05:47 cait         but not sure which you meant and i should probably be commenting on the bug
05:47 cait         dcook: and for the other an include or something that has the strings you want - because authorized values will be one language only... which is always not as nice as having things translatable
05:46 cait         dcook: i think language descriptions for a language facet would be best right now
05:45 cait         let me check for the id - i didn't see one when i checked yesterday, weird
05:44 cait         probably i am babbling now
05:44 cait         not mixing them all up
05:44 cait         well item by item...
05:44 dcook        line by line?
05:44 cait         because the search does not look at the items line by line - so that's probably what I am afraid of
05:43 dcook        Jared explained things which made me understand your example better
05:43 dcook        It might be useful to read my last comment last
05:43 cait         i had libraries quite unhappy about item searching in training recently
05:43 dcook        Mostly just me babbling, I think :p
05:43 cait         just looking at your comment :)
05:43 cait         hi dcook
05:43 dcook        hey ya cait
05:41 cait         good morning #koha
04:48 huginn`      dcook: The operation succeeded.
04:48 dcook        @later tell jcamins I didn't realize that your comment about the freshman and Old Ivy was genuine
04:47 dcook        hehe
03:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1373: FIXED in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1373/
03:20 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
02:41 dcook        If others want a new syspref, they or I can add a follow-up
02:41 dcook        I might add it with IssueLog (which is how we've done it in the past anyway)
02:41 * dcook      agrees
02:41 jcamins      There _will_ be a time when you hit the wrong button, and you *know* you screwed up, but you can't quite remember what it was like before.
02:40 jcamins      If you want to anonymize your logs, anonymize your logs using a cron job at the end of the day.
02:40 dcook        It is rather annoying when you look for a log just to find that it's been turned off (or never enabled)
02:39 jcamins      Honestly, I'd prefer disabling the ability to turn off logs.
02:39 jcamins      But others will no doubt prefer a new syspref.
02:39 * jcamins    would prefer IssueLog.
02:39 dcook        Relying on the "IssueLog" preference or adding a new system preference for "RenewLog" to log circulation renewals?
02:38 dcook        Hmm, whether to indicate in the commit message that I'm lazy...
02:35 dcook        Blasphemy!
02:35 jcamins      And typing slowly.
02:34 jcamins      Heh.
02:34 dcook        I guess that's what searching is for..
02:34 dcook        I hate that moment in Bugzilla where you see your duplicate bug in the AJAX list but you're typing too quickly and you miss it...
02:24 dcook        It helps only insofar as I could Google it a bit :p
02:21 jcamins      Will it help if I tell you the first reference the freshman comp student finds is _Rip the Chipmunks off the field_ by J.B. Biggley?
02:21 * dcook      has no idea about the reference
02:21 dcook        hehe
02:20 * jcamins    keeps the bonus points.
02:19 gmcharlt     and compares nicely with the overall speed record for sailboats, 65.45 knots
02:16 rangi        50.8mph .. that's moving
02:16 rangi        http://www.americascup.com/en/news/3/news/16628/thursday-morning-briefing-2
02:15 gmcharlt     *blink*
02:15 rangi        44.15 knots i think is its current topspeed
02:14 * gmcharlt   had not associated sailboats and hydrofoils until just now
02:13 jcamins      It looks like some sort of alien spaceship.
02:13 rangi        massive catamaran
02:12 wahanui      that is a good idea.
02:12 jcamins      What is that?
02:12 rangi        it has 2 speeds, stopped, and way too fast
02:11 rangi        you'd kill them trying to pick them up with that thing
02:11 ibeardslee   it's not right
02:09 rangi        thats what you have a chase crew for ;)
02:09 ibeardslee   doesn't seem they 'boats' are required to pick up crew oveboard anymore
02:07 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjxEfg_mEw  <<-- pretty freaky
02:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1373 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1371 2 days 5 hr ago)
02:07 jcamins      Bonus points for anyone who recognizes the reference.
02:06 * jcamins    writes about a freshman comp student writing a report on Old Ivy's football team the Groundhogs.
02:02 rangi        http://vimeo.com/66169135  this is how i imagine all brooklyn librarians
01:57 dcook        hehe
01:57 * gmcharlt   pushes the cat-o-nine-tails out of view ;)
01:56 dcook        Err managers
01:56 dcook        I'm a fan of benevolent masters :p
01:56 dcook        Sounds good to me.
01:55 rangi        guidelines to follow
01:55 gmcharlt     for the edge cases, yes
01:55 rangi        thats why we vote them in :)
01:55 dcook        In the end, up to RM and QA discretion?
01:54 gmcharlt     IOW, it can get fuzzy
01:54 gmcharlt     and in other areas (UNIMARC might become this) it may be necessary to consider relaxing the standards a bit for lack of enough folks in a position to test certain areas
01:53 gmcharlt     some people's signoffs have more weight than others by repeated demonstration of their care and good judgment
01:53 gmcharlt     as everything, it also depends on the care every tester displays when signing off
01:52 gmcharlt     but, pace rangi, from the POV of an idepndent tester, that just increases the chance that it is worth *their* time to test it as well
01:52 jcamins      gmcharlt: yeah, but as I saw it, the barrier for signing off was high enough that if, for example, Mathieu signed off on a BibLibre patch, I'd take it as a sufficiently independent sign off.
01:51 gmcharlt     ideally, every organization that's big enough *should* be doing that -- that is, passing work through at least another set of eyes internally before submitting it
01:51 gmcharlt     it would be a bit like person B from an organization signing off on a patch by person A from the same organization
01:50 jcamins      dcook: if the individual is able to sign off on the patch without anyone knowing it's a customer of the developer, that probably means that the person in question is a Koha developer already. When I was RM, I would probably have accepted that as a sign off.
01:49 dcook        Cool. I don't know how many people I could encourage but maybe a few
01:49 gmcharlt     rangi: one can hope, one can hope :)
01:49 rangi        because im less likely to find it doesnt even compile :)
01:48 rangi        it would mean id be more likely to attempt signing it off
01:48 dcook        Makes sense. How will you know though unless the developer or the individual self-identifies?
01:48 jcamins      On the other hand, that can encourage people to sign off, if they know someone other than the developer has tested it.
01:48 jcamins      We're all for them, and it's always a good idea to get them, but you'll still need another.
01:48 gmcharlt     nice thing to see, but it's not an independent signoff
01:47 dcook        What's the policy on sign offs from client libraries for vendors?
01:47 dcook        I have an unrelated question...
01:42 jcamins      [off] Five, now.
01:42 jcamins      [off] The guy from Koya University and the Peace Corps guy. Okay, there were four who got one chances.
01:42 rangi        [off] true i used up my one on him a while back i think
01:41 jcamins      [off] Paul got one chance, Marc got one chance, and the other one got one chance, so Manos ought to get one chance too.
01:40 jcamins      [off] I answered, because every troll gets one chance.
01:39 rangi        [off] i read that as, dont answer me, cos i will be a dick about whatever answer i get, so im not going to answer him
01:35 rangi        2013 is surely the year of the most annoying mail list users to date
00:51 dcook        Not that there are any buns in the oven at present..
00:51 * dcook      wonders how he's going to manage multiple cats and a baby
00:50 dcook        I was too busy cleaning up horrifying cat litter boxes and barely catching a cab to the vet to even think about lunch..
00:50 dcook        Mmm food
00:47 jcamins      The pumpernickel chocolate chip cookie dough tastes more like molasses chocolate chip cookie dough, but it's yummy.
00:45 dcook        Then maybe I should look at that again..
00:44 dcook        Hmm, cool :)
00:43 jcamins      koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/text/explodedterms.tt
00:43 jcamins      See...
00:43 jcamins      Actually, TT anything can be translatable.
00:43 jcamins      dcook: if it's a TT plugin, you can make it translatable.
00:19 dcook        Sounds...interesting :p
00:16 jcamins      Pumpernickel chocolate chip cookies are on the menu.
00:16 jcamins      Problem solved.
00:00 dcook        Yep, already has an id