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23:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #1362 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1359 6 hr 28 min ago)
23:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9487 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow items fields to be used in the HOLDPLACED notice
23:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , User-editable sections should have ids
23:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srikanth, ASSIGNED , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug
23:57 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9487: Allow item fields to be used in the HOLDPLACED notice
23:57 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10405: add IDs for customizable OPAC regions
23:57 jenkins_koha * Srikanth Dhondi: Bug 8712: add 'and' label for inputs in OPAC "fewer options" advanced search page
23:57 jenkins_koha * Srikanth Dhondi: Bug 8712: change "New list" to "Create new list" in OPAC masthead
23:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1361: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1361/
23:31 wizzyrea (rather every cool use of it could be just as easily and less expensively accomplished in a different way)
23:30 wizzyrea every one I think of you could do without it.
23:30 wizzyrea what is the actual use case of the borrower files feature?
23:27 tcohen thanks wizzyrea
23:27 tcohen sweeet
23:24 wizzyrea https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/migration/Generic/modify_items_based_on_issues.pl
23:21 wahanui hmmm... migration toolkit is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
23:21 wizzyrea migration toolkit?
23:21 wizzyrea if we do it would be in the migration toolkit
23:21 tcohen do we have a script to check that?
23:20 wizzyrea not many of them anyway
23:20 wizzyrea np :)
23:20 tcohen thanks wizzyrea
23:19 tcohen migration issues it seems
23:19 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM it" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/172
23:17 tcohen onloan should be a date, right?
23:13 tcohen onloan
23:13 wizzyrea ^
23:12 wahanui items.onloan is probably NULL
23:12 wizzyrea items.onloan
23:12 wizzyrea in addition to actually having an issue.
23:11 wizzyrea items.issuedate or something
23:11 wizzyrea for that to display properly
23:11 wizzyrea I forget what the field is, but there's one in the item record that has to be set with the due date
23:11 tcohen s/no/no /
23:10 tcohen noissuingbranch
23:10 tcohen ṕsibbly
23:10 wizzyrea and did < 3.12 show it properly?
23:10 wizzyrea migrated data?>
23:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9487 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow items fields to be used in the HOLDPLACED notice
23:09 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 9487: Allow item fields to be used in the HOLDPLACED notice
23:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #41: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/41/
23:09 tcohen booo
23:09 tcohen which 3.12 says it is "Available"
23:09 tcohen i have an item, due 25/03/2008 23:59
22:59 tcohen bye wahanui
22:58 wahanui okay, tcohen.
22:58 tcohen i am also 122
22:58 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
22:58 wizzyrea tcohen?
22:58 wizzyrea tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
22:57 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot tcohen
22:57 wizzyrea forget tcohen
22:57 tcohen i'll let wizzyrea feed wahanui
22:57 wahanui rumour has it tcohen is 122
22:57 tcohen tcohen?
22:56 tcohen hmm
22:56 wahanui you are 122
22:56 tcohen tcohen?
22:56 wahanui i heard tcohen was 122
22:56 tcohen tcohen?
22:56 wahanui okay, tcohen.
22:56 tcohen wahanui: tcohen is also obsessed with packages' scripts
22:53 cjh :o
22:53 wahanui you are 122
22:53 tcohen tcohen?
22:53 cjh heh
22:52 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing
22:52 wahanui I saw it on Digg!
22:52 cjh wizzyrea?
22:52 wizzyrea it's true.
22:52 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing
22:52 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
22:52 cjh hahhhaha keep dreaming wahanui
22:52 wahanui i guess wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing.
22:52 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
22:52 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
22:52 wizzyrea wizzyrea is also silly
22:52 wahanui hmmm... cjh is applying to the current 3.8.x branch
22:52 cjh cjh?
22:52 wahanui you are a Cylon, and they all have plans.
22:52 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
22:52 wizzyrea also only if you want to add something to an existing entry
22:51 tcohen "also", thanks wizzyrea
22:51 wahanui i think building packages is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
22:51 wizzyrea building packages?
22:51 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
22:51 wizzyrea building packages is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
22:50 wahanui ...but building packages is really easy....
22:50 tcohen wahanui: building packages is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
22:50 wahanui building packages is really easy.
22:50 tcohen building packages?
22:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1361 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1359 5 hr 15 min ago)
22:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , check_uniqueness.pl does not work
22:44 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10483: fix item uniqueness check on order form
22:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1360: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1360/
22:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #41 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
22:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , User-editable sections should have ids
22:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srikanth, ASSIGNED , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug
22:35 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10405: add IDs for customizable OPAC regions
22:35 jenkins_koha * Srikanth Dhondi: Bug 8712: add 'and' label for inputs in OPAC "fewer options" advanced search page
22:35 jenkins_koha * Srikanth Dhondi: Bug 8712: change "New list" to "Create new list" in OPAC masthead
22:35 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #40: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/40/
22:32 * tcohen didn't want to spam the patches list
22:08 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9487: Allow item fields to be used in the HOLDPLACED notice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d888835b63b3c581f5ff0c8368b287f91baaedf4> / Bug 10405: add IDs for customizable OPAC regions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b5960cc2a5b69c27a097693f44fcb511f3b53bc>
22:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #40 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
22:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , check_uniqueness.pl does not work
22:01 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10483: fix item uniqueness check on order form
22:01 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/39/
21:48 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8712: add 'and' label for inputs in OPAC "fewer options" advanced search page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98bd9de54aa7cab6fe3dec8e7cd88378a06e8684> / Bug 8712: change "New list" to "Create new list" in OPAC masthead <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0280dabe0db3e27e0e56a025a61bd41f206de57>
21:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #1360 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:27 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10483: fix item uniqueness check on order form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c9135262b9233f59fd05e34c90980e7dc8be338>
21:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
21:05 wizzyrea victory!
21:05 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #271 added.
21:05 wizzyrea @quote add pianohacker: hahaha, he's thinking Search.pm is supposed to make sense. Rookie mistake.
21:04 wizzyrea curses.
21:04 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:04 wizzyrea @quote add pianohacker: hahaha, he's thinking Search.pm is supposed to make sense. Rookie mistake.
21:03 wizzyrea <3
21:01 pianohacker rookie mistake
21:01 pianohacker hahahaha, he's thinking Search.pm is supposed to make sense
20:55 mtompset Have a great day, #koha etc.
20:54 mtompset I'm going to rest my brain now, since I did make progress in getting code that properly filters it out in memory, but making it all nicely organized and displayed is the problem now.
20:48 mtompset (well $results_per_page slots)
20:48 mtompset why not just generate 20 slots or less and display everything?
20:48 mtompset and then display only x-y slots.
20:47 mtompset It's like, grab the results, and then only filled in from x-y slots.
20:47 mtompset It seems weird to me the way the results_hashref is generated though.
20:47 mtompset Yes, but it is playing havoc on generating a patch to properly fix facets and record counts and display them correctly.
20:46 gmcharlt ;)
20:46 gmcharlt mtompset: I dunno, considering how awkward scrolls are, I think the invention of the page was a very good thing
20:44 * mtompset curses pagination.
20:35 oleonard Bye all
20:22 druthb gmcharlt++ #Snappy facebook comeback.
19:57 tcohen bye #koha
19:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Memcached on package installs
19:56 tcohen bug 10733
19:29 oleonard wizzyrea++ # for updating the Bootstrap OPAC demo: http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/
19:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10197 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Add CSS classes to patron info list in patron account
19:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
19:23 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10197: Add classes to patron info list
19:23 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 7143: add latest batch of committers
19:23 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 7143 - Updating history and about page
19:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #81: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/81/
18:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #81 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , authority plugin doesn't copy indicators
18:42 jenkins_koha Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5262: make authority plugin copy indicators to bib record
18:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1359: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1359/
18:36 * druthb meanders off for some training.
18:35 oleonard Just toss in whatever wrench breaks everything and wait for everyone else to pick up the pieces.
18:35 druthb gmcharlt, I don't think anyone is gonna take the bait.
18:34 * druthb listens to the crickets chirping
18:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , use a stricter SQL_MODE
18:27 * gmcharlt tosses out bug 10732 as a discussion item
18:27 gmcharlt yep
18:25 jcamins With a default namespace of koha_{instance}
18:25 jcamins I think that makes sense to me.
18:24 tcohen what do u think jcamins?
18:21 tcohen )
18:21 tcohen (with optional --memcached-servers --memcached-namespace switches
18:20 tcohen smth like $ koha-create --create-db --use-memcache test
18:20 tcohen and fallback to localhost if no extra parameter passed
18:20 tcohen I guess one should be able to choose a different memcached server for each instance
18:19 tcohen my question was more like if we should do it globally or per-instance
18:19 jcamins tcohen: yes, and that should be part of Koha generally.
18:18 tcohen on my setup we are using koha-conf.xml actually
18:16 jcamins tcohen: what was said is that we should take advantage of the fact that caching could be configured in koha-conf rather than the Apache config with the current Koha::Cache implementation.
18:15 tcohen ... aand I can't
18:15 tcohen i'm trying to remember what was said about how to manage memcached in the packages...
18:14 tcohen they should be available for koha-foreach
18:14 jcamins Ah.
18:14 tcohen there are new switches for koha-list
18:13 jcamins What's wrong with koha-foreach?
18:13 tcohen heh
18:13 tcohen and fixing koha-foreach
18:13 wahanui memcached is running, but I dunno it Koha uses it.
18:13 tcohen and memcached
18:12 drojf ha, now i remember what i thought about the package commands. now that we have DOM/GRS1 options, the only thing missing is ICU i guess
18:10 tcohen same here
18:10 drojf i hit tab three times after typing "tc" until i realized your nick was different ;)
18:10 tcohen :-D
18:09 drojf hi tomas_
18:09 tomas_ hi drojf
18:09 drojf evening #koha
18:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , authority plugin doesn't copy indicators
18:03 jenkins_koha Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 5262: make authority plugin copy indicators to bib record
18:03 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/38/
17:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #1359 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
17:27 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5262: make authority plugin copy indicators to bib record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=129c974fdde0dc62e568f7aa01c4a0796ae150ae>
17:17 mtompset but the filtered data was "No Titled" in the dataset.
17:17 mtompset My facets were right, my counts were right.
17:17 mtompset Need to fix that.
17:17 mtompset Ahh.... stupid hardcoded 1:1 assumption.
17:16 mtompset Still progress, nonetheless.
17:16 mtompset Oh shoot... premature rejoicing... :(
17:14 mtompset but now that you have me thinking about paging... I have to make sure I haven't messed up paging.
17:14 jcamins Hm. I'll be curious to see how you did that.
17:13 mtompset (except for the last page of course)
17:13 mtompset I haven't fully tested, but I would assume yes.
17:13 jcamins So you always display exactly 20 (or whatever) results?
17:11 mtompset So, I would assume that means yes.
17:11 mtompset I filter data before it hits the pagination portion.
17:10 jcamins mtompset: and you take into account pagination?
17:06 mtompset Woo hoo! results count and facet display corrected in OPAC... Now hopefully I did it an acceptable way. ;)
17:03 gmcharlt :)
17:02 cait gmcharlt: thx for saving me ;)
17:00 mtompset That is where the gif files are referenced.
16:58 mtompset Hmm... I have a color.css which I have had since 3.8.6
16:57 mtompset I'm using the default english.
16:57 mtompset Hmm... oleonard, I'll reset my master and see if I get the same problem.
16:51 druthb Anyone who has to work with a cataloger who still *likes* Dynix Classic should have an automatic pass for an OSHA claim.
16:49 druthb If you work in the nice tame areas, you're usually okay, but Dynix Classic…that's the punishment detail.
16:49 * druthb hacks up a really nasty MARC8 record. "Yeah, unfortunately, you can, oleonard."
16:49 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #270 added.
16:48 gmcharlt @quote add oleonard hopes you can't catch data-lung from working in data mines
16:48 * oleonard hopes you can't catch data-lung from working in data mines
16:48 * gmcharlt has a pile of MARC8 test cases in reserve as ammunition... jes' sayin ;)
16:47 druthb Don't mess with the refugee from the data mines. She has a slingshot and Skittles.
16:47 gmcharlt ;)
16:47 * druthb wouldn't do that!
16:45 gmcharlt druthb: please don't suffocate the QAM
16:41 * druthb giggles
16:41 * cait tries to breathe
16:41 * druthb waves to cait, then runs over and hugs her.
16:40 cait taking a break at the hotel - more to see here later :)
16:40 oleonard Hi cait. Are you traveling?
16:39 * cait waves
16:33 oleonard Out of date non-standard or non-en language templates?
16:29 mtompset Unless there is something wrong with my configuration?
16:29 mtompset I have a screenshot that says otherwise.
16:27 oleonard mtompset: They're part of the sprite image now
16:26 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
16:26 druthb hi, mtompset! :)
16:23 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Where did the list.gif and cart.gif images go?" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/171
16:13 mtompset So close! Corrected results count for hidden items, but the facets are still listed.
16:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add callnumber column to the cart
15:29 * oleonard hopes Bug 9456 passes this time so we can finally remove the old tablesorter plugin!
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7598 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Acquisitions JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9801 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , location facet shows even if no locations
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Export selected items data doesn't work when using checkall checkbox
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10553 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Public lists not available from OPAC login page
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10559 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , noisy statement handle still active warnings when generating notices
15:24 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 7598: [Follow-up] make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable
15:24 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 7598: make strings in acquisitions JavaScript translatable
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10597 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Search to hold button broken on record details
15:24 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9801: display facet labels in search results only when there are facet values
15:24 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
15:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10595 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OpacTopissue page still accessible when system preference is turned off
15:24 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10457: fix SQL error when using 'export select items data' in serials claims page
15:24 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10553: make public lists available on OPAC login page
15:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10559: remove spurious "statement handle still active" warnings
15:24 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10597: fix Search to hold button on record details page
15:24 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10595: don't display OpacTopissue page when system preference is turned off
15:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #80: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/80/
14:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:18 tcohen heh
13:18 druthb mornin'! :)
13:14 oleonard It's like the neighbor we're stealing cable from dropped HBO.
13:13 oleonard We don't have much choice but to start accommodating RDA records since all our preferred Z39.50 sources are using them
12:38 tcohen morning #koha
12:18 magnuse nice
12:16 jcamins magnuse: that's what I mean. If the cataloger has actually authorized the headings against LOC (or anything else supported by viaf).
12:13 magnuse jcamins: that is if you have headings that are imported from LOC or something?
12:12 oleonard Hi #koha
12:10 magnuse jcamins: ah, cool
12:08 jcamins magnuse: if your MARC uses authorized headings you can get links by querying viaf.
11:32 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
11:32 nengard @later tell oleonard ping me when you get a chance, need some help with your ebook code, strangeness his happening :) thanks!
10:18 wahanui rumour has it lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting
10:18 magnuse lunchtime!
09:52 huginn` magnuse: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
09:51 magnuse @quote add <rangi> mein gott marc has held libraries back so far
09:48 magnuse rangi++
09:37 rangi ill drag libraries kicking and screaming at least to where the world was in 2005, or go insane trying :)
09:20 magnuse rangi++ bigtime!
09:17 magnuse :-)
09:17 rangi that'll do for now :)
09:17 rangi and its now 9.15pm
09:16 rangi in theory .. that should work
09:16 rangi magnuse: https://gitorious.org/koha-marc2rdf/koha-marc2rdf/commit/a9c67e706d33053c55261c9b0b57f7123783ac29 + https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/7f210a4aeabb2a0cc88a55c6cde538247a1d6652
09:07 magnuse yay
09:05 rangi ill have a crack with the Trine one, it seems to be a bit more loved
09:05 rangi true
09:04 magnuse but i might be wrong
09:04 magnuse it can do POST though, and i don't think it should matter too much what the payload of the query it sends is
09:03 magnuse possibly
09:03 rangi not sure you can do the insert with it either .. seesm to be more for getting?
09:03 magnuse not sure if that is a showstopper, though
09:03 rangi yeah
09:03 magnuse but that says it's limited to SPARQL 1.0
09:02 magnuse there's also http://search.cpan.org/~tobyink/RDF-Query-Client-0.112/lib/RDF/Query/Client.pm
09:02 magnuse possibly, i have not looked at that before
09:00 rangi perhaps?
09:00 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~gwilliams/RDF-Trine-1.007/lib/RDF/Trine/Store/SPARQL.pm
08:47 rangi true
08:46 magnuse you'll want to include a graph in there, which should be governed by a syspref - that way many libraries can share a triplestore
08:39 rangi too reasy
08:39 rangi sweet
08:39 rangi (well a bit more than that, but not much more)
08:39 magnuse yup
08:39 rangi we just do a POST with INSERT { rdf goes here}
08:38 magnuse :-)
08:37 rangi oh thats not that hard at all
08:34 rangi yeah true
08:34 magnuse that way the enrichments might be shared among libraries
08:33 magnuse just with different graphs for different libraries
08:33 magnuse and for vendors it might even make sense to have all their customers use the same triplestore
08:33 rangi makes sense
08:33 magnuse and use virtuoso that you run yourself or something hosted or...
08:32 rangi that has merit
08:32 rangi yeah
08:32 magnuse just make the sparql endpoint configurable
08:32 magnuse i prefer the latter
08:32 magnuse yeah, question is: build the triplestore into koha or use something else
08:32 rangi hmmm yep
08:31 rangi ?
08:31 rangi RDF::Trine::Store::something
08:31 magnuse virtuoso is packaged for .deb
08:31 rangi magnuse: what do you reckon for a store
08:16 Viktor Hi drojf!
08:15 drojf hei magnuse and Viktor
08:15 drojf morging #koha
08:15 Viktor (I couldn't find it on Bugzilla but that might be me being lazy)
08:15 magnuse moin drojf
08:15 Viktor Btw Is it a known error that the bar "Log into your account" is in the middle of the page in the CCSR theme on iPhone?
08:14 cait hi Viktor
08:14 Viktor (dang autocorrect)
08:13 Viktor cait
08:13 Viktor Hi rangi . And fait And all wonderful people of the Koha community :)
08:13 rangi hi Viktor
08:12 Viktor Hi magnuse!
08:11 magnuse hiya cait and Viktor
08:11 magnuse gah
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08:11 magnuse @quote add <rangi> mein gott marc has held libraries back so far
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08:10 magnuse @quote add <rangi> mein gott marc has held libraries back so far
07:56 magnuse yup
07:55 rangi a 'push this' button
07:55 rangi exactly
07:55 magnuse to make it dead simple to collaborate
07:55 magnuse and we could build the infrastructure right into koha
07:55 rangi yeah exactly
07:54 magnuse it's really cool to think in that direction, so that we do not end up with every library doing the same work as every other library
07:54 rangi show that we can do away with marc
07:54 magnuse yeah!
07:53 rangi copy cataloguing, the modern way :)
07:53 rangi and get the enriched triples
07:53 rangi then you could search that by say isbn
07:53 rangi *nod*
07:53 magnuse aggregate all the enrichments
07:52 magnuse ah yes, that is an intersting idea
07:52 magnuse what would live there?
07:52 rangi where you can push your enriched triples to
07:52 rangi like the ratings site
07:52 rangi sqarql.koha-community.org
07:52 rangi we could even do
07:50 magnuse yeah, that would be cool indeed
07:50 rangi ie, every time a librarian views a record, if it hasnt got a link to an author in viaf, there is a little button to click
07:50 magnuse yup!
07:50 rangi and it updates the triple with that info
07:50 rangi and you could say, this one
07:49 rangi and it gives you a list
07:49 rangi you could say, search for author
07:49 magnuse lots of things! :-)
07:49 rangi when you go to a record
07:49 rangi you know what would be cool
07:49 magnuse that would be awesome
07:48 rangi and yes, we could easily update the triplestore when we update zebra
07:48 magnuse yup, now we're talking ;-)
07:48 rangi cool
07:48 rangi which could enrich other catalogues
07:47 rangi i know that the waitaki library have a really good vertical file of info about Janet Frame
07:47 magnuse here's the final report of the radatana project: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a0mBNdKPBMOGjhDYhfh5oqJMtR8if6ifHr2mJ_PGLio/edit?hl=en_US i have not read it, but it should contain some interesting bits and pieces
07:47 rangi would mean every koha could be a sparql endpoint
07:46 rangi which at the very least
07:46 magnuse and we could update the triplestore whenever a record is updated, the same way we do it for zebra
07:46 rangi and then begin enriching it
07:46 magnuse yup
07:45 rangi well with a couple more lines, you could easily use this to convert your whole db, and stick it in a triplestore
07:43 rangi cool
07:43 magnuse http://www.bibsys.no/files/out/linked_data/autreg/index.html
07:42 magnuse hm, there is a norwegian project called "rådata nå" that took all the authors in bibsys and linked them to interesting stuff, let me see if i can dig up some links...
07:42 rangi *nod*
07:42 magnuse the good thing is, once you connect your local author id/uri to a viaf uri, you can load the viaf data for that person, and then you have high quality identifiers/links to other interesting sources
07:41 rangi yep about 15 years
07:41 magnuse we got a lot of catching up to do
07:41 magnuse yeah
07:41 rangi its almost unrecoverable
07:40 magnuse it has!!
07:40 rangi mein gott marc has held libraries back so far
07:40 magnuse well, you can search for names, but that is error prone of course
07:40 rangi hmm, and there is no way to do that programatically eh? you have to manually do it
07:08 magnuse so to be able to query other sources on the fly, you might want to say "this author is the the same as this author on viaf" and unless you want to hardcode that you need to store that info somewhere
07:07 magnuse yeah, but you know, "crap in, crap out" marc converted to rdf still contains precious few interesting identifiers
07:07 rangi but now i have to put the kids to bed, will be back later
07:07 rangi im totally open to being told thats totally wrong, im still learning about this stuff :)
07:06 rangi we just have to query others to find out more
07:06 rangi but we have our triples already, so dont need to query our triple store to find it
07:05 * rangi may be on the totally wrong track
07:05 christophe_c bonjour magnuse ;-)
07:05 rangi well presumably you dont store the entire internet in your triple store right, you store triples, query to find them, query other triplestores to find connected information right?
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07:04 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:04 magnuse bonjour christophe_c
07:04 christophe_c hello #koha
07:01 magnuse hm, not sure how you'll do that without a triplestore, but i am all ears ;-)
07:01 rangi as a quick POC at leats
07:00 rangi ie, i now have my triples, i can start enhancing it
07:00 rangi yep, but you can also fetch all that on the fly too
06:58 magnuse but of course, converting to rdf is the basis for all of that
06:58 magnuse it gets interesting when you stick the rdf in a triplestore and start to enhance it, with things like links ti viaf, data from external sources, relations between records etc
06:57 magnuse the way i see it, just converting marc to rdf isn't all that interesting
06:57 magnuse hehe
06:53 rangi well thats this evening sorted, as soon as the kids are in bed, im doing that :)
06:53 rangi actually semantikoha, with a little bit of changes, ie so it doesnt fetch the triple from the store, but makes one .. would just work i think
06:51 rangi magnuse: when you are back, now i have my triple, i guess i can do something like http://search.cpan.org/~tobyink/RDF-Query-Client-0.112/lib/RDF/Query/Client.pm and https://github.com/MagnusEnger/semantikoha/blob/master/templates/citedby.query
06:50 alex_a hello
06:29 * magnuse wanders off to breakfast with the rest of the gang
06:25 dcook I mean...it should probably always be "x" but do we know that for sure?
06:25 dcook It's in the framework, but how do you point it to that subfield?
06:24 dcook How do you have the subfield character?
06:23 cait dcook: why hardcode? you have the subfield character and empty means xml - so it seems quite clear :)
06:22 rangi i could link to viaf somehow
06:22 rangi i guess now i have triples, and have the author
06:21 rangi should be all that is needed
06:21 rangi ie by reading the marc2rdf one and editing the .txt
06:21 magnuse yup
06:20 rangi well we can extend the mapping
06:20 magnuse hehe, yeah!
06:20 magnuse the mapping looks less expressive than the marc2rdf one, but it's way better than nothing!
06:20 rangi i guess i should write some prototype of what you can do with the rdf now
06:19 rangi yeah it shouldnt be too bad
06:19 magnuse creating a normarc mapping will mostly be removing things from the marc21 one i guess :-)
06:19 magnuse very, very cool
06:19 magnuse yup rangi++
06:19 rangi and we have an api to get any marc record out as rdf
06:19 dcook rangi++
06:19 rangi and prints the rdf
06:18 rangi and then a script very similair to that .t one .. that just takes a biblionumber as a param, does getmarcbiblio
06:18 rangi )
06:18 rangi (or just cp to /usr/share/koha/lib
06:18 rangi then in your koha
06:17 rangi make install
06:17 rangi make
06:17 rangi but for now, it should be as simple install that module
06:17 rangi :)
06:17 magnuse i know, i know... ;-)
06:17 rangi :)
06:17 rangi your mission is to make a normarc one
06:17 rangi magnuse: https://gitorious.org/koha-marc2rdf/koha-marc2rdf/blobs/master/data/bibliographic_marc21.txt
06:16 dcook Whoa...that is cool!
06:16 magnuse yay!
06:16 rangi passes all my tests :)
06:16 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha-marc2rdf/koha-marc2rdf/blobs/master/t/Koha_MARC2RDF.t
06:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
06:16 magnuse awesome!!
06:15 rangi its valid NTriples too
06:15 rangi just for you magnuse
06:13 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MARC2RDF" (46 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170
06:12 * magnuse waves
06:01 dcook And nothing not hardcoded springs to mind
06:01 dcook I guess you'd need to have a way of telling that sub what to look for though...
05:59 dcook It could even potentially lead to more expansion of the item record, although I think we're running out of numbers and letters for that anyway
05:58 dcook That might be the easiest
05:58 dcook I suppose one could retrieve the framework, check if it's mapped, and then retrieve the xml subfield for that subfield code if it's not mapped
05:57 dcook Yeah, I was thinking of proposing a function that did that
05:54 cait i think rangi might have been taking a look at it again some time ago - we could also start displaying the note from the xml subfield maybe
05:54 cait like changing archectural things... better get it right the first time
05:53 cait changing things like that afterwards gets pretty annoying
05:53 cait ah yes it is
05:42 dcook It's a surprisingly annoying bug :/
05:38 dcook I thought your comments were very insightful :)
05:38 dcook Maybe a better word would be...
05:37 wahanui rumour has it Appropriate is to acquire through some means or tocopythemtomakethemmyownohpleasedontbemad
05:37 dcook Appropriate
05:37 cait apt?
05:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client
05:37 dcook I thought your comments on bug 4222 were really apt
05:37 cait ?
05:37 dcook cait++
05:35 cait hi dcook
05:31 dcook Hey ya cait :)
05:28 mtompset Have a great day, #koha dcook cait wizzyrea.
05:28 mtompset Well, given that I've made baby step progress (did I mention reading C4::Search is not fun, but possible?) towards an idea to fix displayed facets and counts for OPACHiddenItems, I think I'll start working towards bed.
05:22 dcook Bleargh..
05:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client
05:22 dcook bug 4222
05:12 dcook Huh...never noticed that there wasn't a database column for the non-public item-level notes...
03:38 dcook There's never a time they'd want to edit it, so it should be all right
03:37 dcook In general, I'm wary of using jQuery for this type of scenario, but I'm trying to be careful.
03:37 dcook I appreciate advice/warnings :)
03:37 dcook lol
03:37 wizzyrea you know what ignore me. you'll be fine.
03:36 wizzyrea because you actually want the value in there.
03:36 wizzyrea for what you are doing it might be fine.
03:35 wizzyrea you have to be a little careful with that
03:34 dcook Yep.
03:33 dcook If you hide it with jQuery, it populates the item record just fine, me thinks
03:33 * dcook shrugs
03:33 dcook So it's one of this situations where you can't necessarily please everyone easily
03:33 dcook But I suppose there are times when "single" branches use other branches
03:32 dcook After all...it can only possibly be that one branch...so why have the branch show up in all these other places?
03:32 dcook Well, to be fair, it does make a certain amount of sense that the branch would never show up when in singleBranchMode
03:32 dcook Alas, it's only Wednesday and 1:31
03:31 wizzyrea man I wish.
03:31 wahanui i guess sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;)
03:31 wizzyrea sounds like it
03:31 dcook Yep
03:31 wizzyrea are you implementing a mad scheme?
03:29 dcook I guess that makes a certain amount of sense..
03:29 dcook Apparently the item editor doesn't like adding default values for hidden fields...
03:23 dcook Bloody..
03:18 mtompset actually... not crawl millimeters at a time. It's more like "step by step" (http://youtu.be/ay6GjmiJTPM). ;)
03:16 * gmcharlt would pit MARC8 against C4::Search any day. I'm not entirely sure which would win the battle for funkiness
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03:15 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at the MARC::Charset release I just made now and let me know if any issues remain with its handling of Cyrillic
03:14 mtompset It's not so bad if you have the patience to crawl millimeters at a time. :P
03:14 wizzyrea http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/56230225214/you-looked-at-search-pm-didnt-you
03:10 mtompset (I'm coming at this from opac-search.pl, because the facets for hidden items [OPACHiddenItems] still are showing)
03:07 mtompset I was wondering if anyone could confirm my reading of the C4::Search code, in that the results_hashref may have different servers, but only "biblioserver" is locally available in the koha DB. Anyone?
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02:56 rangi @later tell magnuse ping me later on, i have a working converter thing to show you
01:54 wizzyrea if you're linking, footer's fine
01:54 dcook Mmm, totes
01:53 wizzyrea nope. but if you wanted to list it out, navright is probably the best place for that
01:53 dcook That wouldn't show up in search results or a detail page though, right?
01:53 wizzyrea nav right is perfect for hours/contact
01:52 dcook But opening hours, contact us, etc...that really is more of a footer thing than a navbar thing...
01:52 dcook I guess anything for ILL you would want higher up
01:52 dcook Well, not just our mods...
01:52 dcook But those are mostly due to other mods of ours :p
01:52 dcook With maybe a couple exceptions
01:52 dcook Actually, no, you're right. That would be a good idea.
01:51 dcook opaccredits
01:51 dcook But it's not a bad idea for a few things like "Contact us" which is more common in the footer anyway...
01:51 dcook Hmm, I would think that would violate usability best practices
01:50 wizzyrea anyway there's a region for every purpose
01:50 wizzyrea keeps some bit of opacnav persistent?
01:50 wizzyrea I think nav-bottom does that now?
01:50 wizzyrea well you could put them in the footer too
01:47 dcook We did make a mod that lets you keep the opacnav persistent...not sure if that's something others would necessarily find useful though
01:46 dcook So the global nav for the whole organization goes at the top, but then they have to put all their library links on the opacnav
01:45 dcook I suppose some libraries have organizational headers that they're not allowed to tamper with though
01:44 dcook Yeah, I'm looking at one of our libraries now that has all its global nav up in opacheader
01:43 wahanui catalog.nexpresslibrary.org is all css too
01:43 wizzyrea example: catalog.nexpresslibrary.org
01:43 wizzyrea which does.
01:43 dcook Mmm
01:43 wizzyrea sorry I meant "opacheader"
01:43 dcook That doesn't show up at the result and detail pages though
01:43 wizzyrea or, you can put something in opacmain
01:42 wizzyrea that's what opacnav is for ;)
01:42 * dcook stops babbling and making no sense
01:42 dcook Well, I guess it would be global navigation potentially...
01:42 dcook Although it could make sense to have persistent local navigation...
01:41 dcook Yeah, other pages can get pretty crowded
01:41 wizzyrea well with me anyway
01:41 wizzyrea but that's alright
01:41 wizzyrea opacmain only
01:40 dcook wizzyrea: Does it show on opac-main only or other pages as well?
01:40 dcook hehe
01:37 wizzyrea whoever added opacnavright, I love you.
01:28 jcamins Hmm. Makes sense.
01:27 rangi maybe instead, maybe as well as just caching the search
01:27 rangi first thing that script does is look in cache and just print whats there, or do all the stuff, stick in cache and print
01:26 rangi with the searchsrting as part of the key
01:26 rangi ie cache opac-search.pl
01:26 rangi is cache the whole resulting page
01:26 rangi however what i would do
01:26 rangi nope
01:25 jcamins Just thinking.
01:25 jcamins Not that I'm proposing to implement that.
01:24 jcamins rangi: I have a question for you about memcached. It seems to me it would make sense to cache searches in memcached for, say, 5m (space permitting) so that paging would be faster, and could be served by another member of the cluster. Am I missing something?
01:21 * wizzyrea is not a fan of the troutslapping
01:07 dcook Hey ya BobB
01:07 dcook I probably should've used Camel Case, but I'm sure that people will understand the original intention.
01:01 mtompset IE7 -- that would imply windows XP.
01:01 mtompset Greetings, dcook. You probably wanted Camel Case on that, because whorefuse can be parsed two ways that I can see. ;)
00:44 dcook Yeah, maybe one more
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00:29 * peter slaps clrh around a bit with a large fishbot