Time  Nick         Message
23:48 dcook        morning #koha
21:43 rambutan     indeed
21:43 wizzyrea     sadface
21:42 huginn`      rambutan: sekjal was last seen in #koha 14 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <sekjal> our camera was put up late this year; the eggs were already there when we installed
21:42 rambutan     @seen sekjal
21:41 gmcharlt     indeed
21:41 wizzyrea     doesn't it always
21:41 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
21:41 wizzyrea     @quote random
21:41 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
21:41 huginn`      wizzyrea: Error: 'random' is not a valid id.
21:41 wizzyrea     @quote get random
21:40 wizzyrea     some day I'm going to have a reason to git checkout all-the-things
21:40 gmcharlt     *snort*
21:40 wahanui      i think that one is down more often than up
21:40 rangi        that one
21:40 rangi        https://github.com/edchamberlain/COMET/blob/master/conversion/marc2rdf_batch.pl
21:40 * jcamins    laughed.
21:39 rangi        no
21:39 rangi        actually now
21:39 wizzyrea     ok that one was funny
21:39 wizzyrea     \o/
21:39 huginn`      cait: Quote #175: "*oleonard is waiting for a good scientist -> hulk patron category transition script" (added by wizzyrea at 03:44 PM, January 04, 2012)
21:39 cait         @quote random
21:39 rangi        Koha::MARC2RDF
21:39 huginn`      gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #269 added.
21:39 gmcharlt     @quote add <wizzyrea> it's boring quote day!
21:39 rangi        this is going to be the basis of
21:39 wizzyrea     oooooo
21:38 wizzyrea     it's boring quote day!
21:38 rangi        https://github.com/edchamberlain/COMET/blob/master/conversion/marc2rdf_sql.pl
21:38 gmcharlt     heh
21:38 wizzyrea     ^ same deal, actually
21:38 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010)
21:38 wizzyrea     @quote random
21:38 gmcharlt     ah, got it
21:38 cait         yeah, just a way to remind myself of that :)
21:38 wizzyrea     :)
21:38 wizzyrea     so we wanted to keep that bit of code handy
21:37 wizzyrea     no I think that was pre wahanui days
21:37 gmcharlt     yeah
21:37 wizzyrea     which, the template one?
21:36 gmcharlt     must have been funnier in context
21:36 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
21:36 huginn`      cait: Quote #150: "<libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra" (added by wizzyrea at 03:07 PM, August 30, 2011)
21:36 cait         @quote random
21:36 huginn`      gmcharlt: Quote #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} - without the typo" (added by cait at 07:30 PM, May 20, 2011)
21:36 gmcharlt     @quote random
21:02 kathryn      hi cait :)
21:02 cait         :)
21:02 cait         morning kathryn
21:01 kathryn      morning :)
20:31 cait         too slow ... again.
20:31 cait         bye oleonard...
20:31 oleonard     Hi cait, and bye #koha
20:28 drojf        :D
20:28 drojf        see
20:28 cait         but i have been in hamburg for work before... and i recognized nothing so...
20:28 cait         i would be worreid about that
20:27 drojf        i only remember the london thing because i found pictures of that a while ago. don't actually remember being in there :D
20:27 drojf        oh, then it's very different
20:27 cait         takes 100 minutes - was quite good
20:27 cait         a bit of water fun
20:27 cait         a little free fall
20:26 cait         it's a horror thing wiht actors
20:25 drojf        the hamburg dungeon… is like the london dungeon with more hitler? (or less, maybe)
20:24 drojf        better take a day off :)
20:24 drojf        you've seen everything
20:24 drojf        woah
20:24 cait         rocky musical check
20:24 cait         miniature wonderland check
20:24 cait         hamburg dungeon check
20:24 cait         hm
20:21 drojf        ?
20:21 drojf        cait: how's the holiday business going
20:21 cait         tcohen: i love that :)
20:21 * tcohen     is amazed watching Koha's history through gource
20:21 cait         drojf++
20:20 drojf        lol
20:20 mtompset     And an automatic reply would also programme for arguing with %s? ;)
20:20 drojf        that's what an delayed automatic reply would say, trying to be clever
20:19 mtompset     No, because an automatic reply wouldn't be as delayed as I was.
20:19 mtompset     Would an SEO trick require putting everything in caps, and lower, and mixed, and repeating it in hex, ascii, unicode, and a few other ways? ;)
20:19 drojf        that's what an automatic reply would say :P
20:17 mtompset     drojf: Are you trying to incite a riot against me being polite and acknowledging those who I know are here? :P
20:17 drojf        lol
20:17 tcohen       maybe a SEO trick?
20:16 drojf        hi mtompset :P
20:16 drojf        is that greeting spam? ^^
20:16 mtompset     Greetings, druthb cait drojf rangi gmcharlt maximep oleonard tcohen etc. :)
20:16 tcohen       she's back!
20:14 drojf        cait!
20:14 druthb       drojf!  :D
20:14 cait         drojf!
20:14 drojf        druthb!
20:14 * druthb     huggles cait
20:14 cait         druthb!
20:14 druthb       cait!
20:14 rangi        gmcharlt: heh not for a long long time
20:14 drojf        damn all you crossposters
20:11 * druthb     waves to mtompset.
20:09 mtompset     maximep++ # thanks for the bug number
20:09 mtompset     Ah, must have inversed somehow. Okay, my master does have that patch, which ends my confusion. :)
20:07 gmcharlt     rangi: sure; I just was ... confused at that thought that you might be using classic csh :)
20:06 rangi        gmcharlt: yeah i like zsh because of the shared history (and for lots of other reasons)
20:06 rangi        dolphin tower at the hotel for kohacon
20:05 wahanui      dolphin is great :)
20:05 oleonard     dolphin?
20:05 rangi        tcohen: im in dolphin too :)
20:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1358: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1358/
20:05 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
20:04 oleonard     It'd be nice if Bugzilla had a way of saying that a bug was awaiting the comment of a specific person or persons
20:01 maximep      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cba6457aa00f3f3b2038f70057df300d9c6b9c3
20:01 maximep      and finish removed
20:01 maximep      cached were changed to prepare, iirc. I think you inversed your diff :p
20:00 gmcharlt     mtompset: http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI/DBI.pm#prepare_cached
19:59 mtompset     And the prepare's were changed to prepare_cached. What's the difference between the two?
19:58 mtompset     ClassSource, sorry.
19:58 tcohen       but not in a class file right?
19:58 mtompset     I was looking at a git diff origin/master on one of my branches, and noticed a whole bunch of sth->finish()'s added to C4::Classsource
19:57 oleonard     Only at the very very end of Koha.
19:56 mtompset     Quick question, should there ever be a sth->finish() call made in the koha code?
19:56 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
19:54 gmcharlt     rangi: thanks for clarifying that, my raised eyebrow needed a rest! ;)
19:53 tcohen       booked yesterday :-D
19:52 tcohen       dolphin
19:52 rangi        hiya
19:50 tcohen       hi rangi
19:49 tcohen       :-D
19:46 rangi        tcohen: zsh, not csh
19:38 gmcharlt     ;)
19:38 gmcharlt     I'll say!
19:38 oleonard     Yeah, killing the RM is very bad form.
19:38 druthb       No cookies for you!
19:38 * druthb     chucks skittles at oleonard.
19:38 gmcharlt     ... not
19:37 * gmcharlt   dies of shame
19:37 oleonard     It's assigned to you gmcharlt, so I guess you're to blame!
19:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Limit Z39.50 targets to specific users
19:36 oleonard     Bug 5316
19:32 gmcharlt     which one, out of curiosity?
19:32 gmcharlt     a very poor exchange rate between votes and tuits?
19:27 oleonard     Just saw a bug report that had 55 votes! Why isn't it fixed yet?!!
18:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #1358 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1355 4 hr 21 min ago)
18:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding
18:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10515 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , The prototype for GetBranchCategory and GetBranchCategories is not consistent
18:50 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8
18:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm)
18:50 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8
18:50 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories
18:50 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: add regression tests
18:50 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers
18:50 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:50 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans
18:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #79: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/79/
18:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #79 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7785 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , MySQL-specific syntax in C4::Members columns()
18:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7785: (follow-up) standardize POD
18:10 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 7785: remove MySQL-specific syntax from C4::Members::columns()
18:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1357: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1357/
18:08 * druthb     tapes drojf to his chair
17:34 magnuse      ooh, we have a master_maria?
17:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7785 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , MySQL-specific syntax in C4::Members columns()
17:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7785: (follow-up) standardize POD
17:04 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 7785: remove MySQL-specific syntax from C4::Members::columns()
17:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #37: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/37/
16:58 tcohen       oops
16:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1357 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1355 2 hr 26 min ago)
16:56 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @27point7: "A lot of unimarc patches waiting to be tested in #KohaILS http://t.co/STwWp0vYGg"
16:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-create should be updated to use DOM indexing for bib
16:54 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 8507: (follow-up) fix one reference to __ZEBRA_BIBLIOS_CFG__
16:54 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8507: koha-create now supports using DOM indexing for bibs
16:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1356: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1356/
16:51 tcohen       ok
16:51 gmcharlt     tcohen: I doubt it, assuming that the ILS-DI clients are parsing the XML responses correctly
16:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8474 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds done by librarians cause silent errors in koha-error_log
16:49 oleonard     Wasted effort: attaching a patch that isn't a patch, for an out of date version, and not setting the bug to 'needs signoff.' Bug 8474 you are a disaster.
16:49 tcohen       (i mean, if pushing would break)
16:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding
16:49 tcohen       gmcharlt: would bug 10549 break stuff for some people using stable?
16:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
16:25 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7785: (follow-up) standardize POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a36b3ad43a6a91f800d0d8a148a217d738236d7e> / Bug 7785: remove MySQL-specific syntax from C4::Members::columns() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07716ca15bdc8164dcbc6d70fa1e3f5b8bffcff3>
16:25 oleonard     Are the users of the IndependentBranches setting simply accustomed to it working imperfectly?
16:24 oleonard     Why do my patron searches not return patrons from other branches, but I'm not prevented from viewing or checking out to patrons from other branches (given their card number or borrowernumber)
16:23 oleonard     IndependentBranches is weird. Why am I blocked from checking out an item from another branch, but not blocked from checking out to a patron from another branch?
16:22 oleonard     tcohen: I'm not familiar with the options tcohen so I don't have an opinion.
16:21 tcohen       ?
16:21 tcohen       oleonard: would u use jqplot for a circulation statistics dashboard
16:15 tcohen       ok, next in the queue: memcached for packages
16:14 tcohen       but i guess he has bash installed
16:14 tcohen       rangi said he uses csh
16:14 gmcharlt     but I can't think of any off the top of my head that wouldn't have /bin/bash
16:14 tcohen       ok, i'll check and maybe fill a new bug
16:13 gmcharlt     indeed
16:13 tcohen       which we should start thinking of
16:13 gmcharlt     I don't think it's worth bothering with (unless we think there are non-Debian platforms that would use the control scripts that don't have bash)
16:12 tcohen       do u want me to fix the shell thing?
16:12 gmcharlt     hi tcohen
16:11 tcohen       hi gmcharlt
15:55 oleonard     Oh never mind, I superlibrarianed my staff account.
15:53 oleonard     If I have IndependentBranches enabled shouldn't I be prevented from checking out an item from Branch A to a patron at Branch B?
15:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-create should be updated to use DOM indexing for bib
15:47 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 8507: (follow-up) fix one reference to __ZEBRA_BIBLIOS_CFG__
15:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 8507: koha-create now supports using DOM indexing for bibs
15:47 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/36/
15:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1356 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10614 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , have add order form at top and bottom
15:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10712 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Some values not saved in koha install log
15:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10614 - have add order form at top and bottom
15:41 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log
15:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1355: FIXED in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1355/
15:41 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
15:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #36 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10614 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , have add order form at top and bottom
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10712 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Some values not saved in koha install log
15:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10614 - have add order form at top and bottom
15:07 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log
15:07 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/35/
14:58 jcamins      Agreed.
14:57 oleonard     (first order ob business after jcamins becomes King of Cataloging, institute mandatory cataloging dungeons)
14:57 oleonard     No one knows that word outside of the world's cataloging dungeons
14:55 jcamins      I'm not sure that's an improvement.
14:55 jcamins      The succinct label is "realia."
14:54 oleonard     If we add an icon specifically for 'Three-dimensional artifact or naturally occurring object' should that be the corresponding label? Or is there a more succinct label we could use?
14:45 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8507: (follow-up) fix one reference to __ZEBRA_BIBLIOS_CFG__ <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5868490f026d0632416fdb78a6c0e7047f1e0df5> / Bug 8507: koha-create now supports using DOM indexing for bibs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aba3db2628f25361fecfbe67b100f8913074835a>
14:37 gmcharlt     tcohen: nevermind, I've convinced myself that the Debian policy doesn't care
14:32 gmcharlt     tcohen: does koha-create now require /bin/bash rather than /bin/sh (which typically is a symlink to /bin/dash or /bin/bash)?
14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #1355 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1353 23 hr ago)
14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
14:26 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
14:26 magnuse      @later tell rangi: feel free to adopt/adapt bug 7236 if you like!
14:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken
14:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10127 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
14:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: bug10246 adding OPAC details items table classes
14:25 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page
14:25 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10127 : Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files
14:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #176: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/176/
14:25 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10614 - have add order form at top and bottom <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe193210815b33efbefbf518ccc13329f20eeefc>
14:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9706 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , xslt icon for artifacts isn't quite right
14:18 oleonard     Oh there's already a bug for that realia icon thing: Bug 9706
14:15 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10712: Save missing config variables to install log <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40e6f6a8f22b8af7adef79a0ece80a61a69ccc50>
14:00 tomas_       i meant issues jcamins :-D
13:54 jcamins      Not sure.
13:54 jcamins      You said items not issues.
13:54 jcamins      Wait.
13:54 jcamins      But oldissues and issues need to have the same structure.
13:54 jcamins      I think just return date, so it should always be empty.
13:52 tomas_       maybe renewals¿
13:52 tomas_       does anyone know what is "returndate" used fr in the items table? (i'd understand for old_issues)
13:47 druthb       That'd work!
13:47 oleonard     Oh, maybe a Lego?
13:45 oleonard     I'm going through the famfamfam icons looking for something appropriate. A car? A cell phone? A football?
13:45 * druthb     switches to MARC view, out of morbid curiosity.
13:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #176 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:44 druthb       picture of a moon rock?
13:44 oleonard     http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=288318
13:44 oleonard     XSLT needs a different image to represent "Three-dimensional artifact or naturally occurring object" The "filmstrip" one doesn't quite fit :P
13:42 * drojf      should have snickerses
13:41 drojf        it's 60 now. ISDN? :D
13:41 oleonard     What do you expect from that poor 56K modem anyway?
13:39 drojf        why yes, 40KB/s is more than enough wifi bandwidth. thanks for asking, university wifi.
13:39 druthb       "or something."
13:38 drojf        isn't there a song about that? "kill all the whitespace" or something
13:27 * magnuse    figures out he has wasted half a day because of occasional trailing whitespace in 001
13:27 * magnuse    accepts the cookie and waves back
13:24 * druthb     waves to magnuse, and offers a cookie
13:24 magnuse      bottom line: MARC sucks because it's all just text (as in fiction) - no useful identifiers, no useful relationships
13:23 jcamins      Which, depending on your way of looking at things, was started in 1902 or 1977.
13:22 * druthb     shakes her head.
13:22 druthb       But of course.
13:22 jcamins      The reason they're different is because NACO and SACO are different.
13:22 druthb       oh?
13:21 jcamins      Oh, BTW, the difference between groups 2 and 3 was explained to me over the weekend.
13:21 jcamins      I disagree. Every cataloger for themself is not the problem. The problem is lack of relationship representation, and no amount of centralization is going to address the underlying issue, FRBR notwithstanding.
13:20 druthb       All that RDA really does is give a checkbox on the Buzzword Bingo card, while preserving the really lame status quo.
13:19 druthb       And OCLC is proof of how well *that* works.  Bah.
13:19 druthb       *IF* the FRBR framework could be more-or-less implemented—and that itself is a pretty shady proposition—then you *could* do some fairly interesting deep-linking of information that patrons might find useful for exploration.  But not with our current cataloging practice of "every cataloger for themself."  You'd need some kind of jumbo repository to get a whole lot of value.
13:17 drojf        aaaw i like it :)
13:17 druthb       Shelve books by color.  Or height.  Or height within color; that'd make a pretty pattern.
13:16 drojf        you got a save job if you are the only person that understands the system :)
13:16 drojf        back to the card catalog. with cards everyone writes as they please
13:15 * druthb     shudders
13:15 oleonard     Maybe we should just revert to Koha 1.0 and start over?
13:13 druthb       I'm all for it, even if jcamins and I disagree somewhat on the value of FRBR.  I see it as a teeny step in the right general direction—away from MARC.
13:13 jcamins      First thing we do, let's kill all the MARC.
13:13 druthb       +1
13:13 * drojf      approves
13:12 * jcamins    is all for that.
13:11 * oleonard   stages a bloody coup to install jcamins as King of World Cataloging
13:10 jcamins      Well, FRBR is a profoundly badly designed "framework" that is unlikely to actually work, and it's unclear how RDA is supposed to actually help.
13:09 drojf        that sounds like a 'but'
13:09 jcamins      Because the justification for RDA was FRBR.
13:08 oleonard     Why are my catalogers always bringing up FRBR and RDA in the same breath? Is that correct?
13:08 drojf        druthb! :)
13:08 druthb       o/
13:08 wahanui      i think drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
13:08 druthb       drojf!
13:07 drojf        also, money
13:07 jcamins      I suppose the RDA committee gets to look good for coming up with a new standard?
13:06 jcamins      Well...
13:06 jcamins      Right.
13:06 oleonard     So this oncoming RDA train is going to crash into our cataloging department and cause chaos and misery with no benefit?!
13:05 jcamins      No, RDA will make things worse.
13:05 oleonard     So uh... What is the point?
13:04 druthb       only in science fiction, oleonard.
13:03 oleonard     Is there some ideal future in which RDA records enable computerized systems to work better because the data is more computer-friendly?
13:02 jcamins      The latter.
13:01 oleonard     Or is RDA just a different way of making MARC records for all intents and purposes?
13:00 oleonard     Are any of the big ILS companies modifying their systems to use RDA?
13:00 jcamins      oleonard: who can blame them? They have to learn absurd new standards to produce records that will be of less use to anyone.
12:59 oleonard     Boy the catalogers here are in a heckuva tizzy about RDA.
12:59 * oleonard   too
12:58 * jcamins    wishes he were in Europe.
12:56 jcamins      If I were in Europe I'd be on vacation.
12:53 sophie_m     and me :-)
12:47 magnuse      and me
12:41 tcohen       hmm
12:40 drojf        everyone but me :/
12:40 tcohen       e
12:40 tcohen       i just thought every1 was on vacation in europ
12:39 drojf        not really, why?
12:39 tcohen       vacation drojf?
12:39 drojf        hi tcohen
12:30 tcohen       morning #koha
12:21 Joubu        oleonard: Hi! Yes, it is what I understood. But is not it more interesting to move the 2 js files and change the paths in tt file on a different bug?
12:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10649 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory
12:18 oleonard     Joubu: Regarding Bug 10649, my intention isn't to duplicate files in the long term, just during the transition period while I submit patches updating all the affected pages
12:10 drojf        hi oleonard
12:10 oleonard     Hey #koha
11:43 magnuse      stay tuned...
11:43 magnuse      lol
11:41 drojf        or should we start with marc2rda? :D
11:40 drojf        ;)
11:40 drojf        are we there yet?
11:40 drojf        have you and rangi fixed marc2rdf?
11:40 magnuse      :-)
11:39 drojf        heiagain magnuse :D
11:38 magnuse      moinagain drojf
11:35 drojf        hello again ;)
11:15 jcamins      Hehe. Yes it is.
11:14 magnuse      wow, strong contender for the prize of "ugliest URL"
11:05 magnuse      the cheese was http://www.himmelspannet.no/scripts/himmelspannet.web/nwCatalog-dev.p?IdNoGrpSite=516992&IdNoPrj=9900361&IdNoCmp=1003338&selSiteLng=47&selSiteCur=NOK&initList=MIT1|517002|MIT2|517011|IdTbl||IdNoTbl|0|IdNoDoc||initListCC|bEnadjejchobvlfU - very nice, but a little too ripe
11:05 magnuse      (don't be fooled by the "smørgåsbord" you will get at hotels etc :-)
11:04 magnuse      typical norwegian lunch
11:04 magnuse      one with pickled herring and one with cheese
11:04 magnuse      two pieces of bread
11:03 magnuse      same old
11:02 jcamins      What was lunch?
11:02 jcamins      Yay!
11:01 * magnuse    found lunch and devoured it
10:27 * magnuse    needs lunch
10:24 magnuse      not sure it's a good idea, but the goal is to hardcode as little as possible
10:24 magnuse      yup
10:23 jcamins      So you're storing TT in the triplestore?
10:22 magnuse      which in turn evals any number of other templates, also from the triplestore
10:22 magnuse      it evals a template that is fetched from the triplestore
10:21 jcamins      Yeah, but I see you added a template and I can't figure out what it displays.
10:21 magnuse      ad the idea is to make it very configurable, so there will be little to see out of the box
10:20 magnuse      jcamins: nope, not yet
10:19 jcamins      magnuse: do you have any screenshots of your work?
10:17 * rangi      heads to sleep
10:15 magnuse      https://github.com/edchamberlain/COMET/tree/master/conversion looks interesting
10:15 jcamins      Actually, I should make an RDF ingester. I think Titan can actually load RDF directly, which would be very convenient.
10:10 rangi        thanks jcamins
10:10 rangi        sweet i can live with that
10:10 jcamins      http://data.lib.cam.ac.uk/code.php
10:10 jcamins      And each record takes about 0.015 seconds with it.
10:09 jcamins      There's also a Perl-only script from Cambridge.
10:08 drojf        later
10:08 rangi        https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager <-- tried that?
10:08 rangi        who has an android phone?
10:07 rangi        cool jcamins id be interested to take a look
10:06 jcamins      rangi: I think there's a MARC2RDF stylesheet from someone on Code4lib, actually.
10:06 magnuse      hehe
10:06 rangi        lunch projects are usually the best features
10:06 rangi        yeah
10:01 magnuse      or next week - it's a "lunch project"
09:59 rangi        sweet :)
09:58 magnuse      then i'll submit it as an "experimental feature" and see what heppens ;-)
09:58 magnuse      i hope to have something useful this week
09:57 magnuse      https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohawork/commits/linkeddata
09:57 rangi        ah awesome
09:55 magnuse      just a way to query a triplestore and show the results in the opac
09:55 magnuse      last week i worked on an absolutely minimal poc semantikoha
09:54 rangi        its always good to read what others have done
09:54 rangi        its a start
09:54 rangi        :)
09:46 magnuse      gah, i used RDF::Redland, which seems not to have been updated since 2006
09:45 magnuse      rangi: i started an attempt at re-doing marc2rdf in perl a while back: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/marc2rdf it might be more confusing than helpful, though...
09:39 * magnuse    sends rangi some time
09:39 magnuse      hehe
09:39 rangi        now i just need time
09:39 rangi        cool, i have lots of ideas
09:38 rangi        xslt annoys me
09:38 rangi        or json like that
09:38 rangi        tbh, id prefer a yaml mapping
09:37 magnuse      ah
09:37 rangi        that will be why they went that route
09:36 rangi        then you can use xslt to get it to rdf
09:36 rangi        so if you can get marc 2 mods
09:36 rangi        https://code.google.com/p/code4rda/source/browse/trunk/dataconversion/trans/lib/mods2rdf.xslt?r=19
09:36 magnuse      example mapping: https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf/blob/master/config/templates/mappings.json
09:35 rangi        yeah
09:35 magnuse      i know the mapping/config is stored in yaml
09:35 magnuse      it's been a while since i looked at the internals of marc2rdf
09:34 magnuse      it would be super-cool if a prl implementation could use the same config files as marc2rdf for the mapping, then we could at least collaborate with them on the mapping-work
09:34 rangi        and marc2rdf does marc to yaml to rdf
09:33 rangi        seems to do marc2mods2rdf
09:33 magnuse      App::perlrdf looked interesting
09:33 rangi        so the spanish one
09:32 magnuse      i actually looked around a bit for relevant perl modules the other day
09:32 rangi        so basically
09:32 magnuse      there seem to be sevarl things that build on RDF::Trine
09:31 rangi        yeah
09:31 magnuse      i don't think that page has been updated for a while
09:31 magnuse      there are
09:31 rangi        http://www.perlrdf.org/
09:30 rangi        theres gotta be a bunch of rdf modules for perl
09:30 rangi        the main library
09:29 rangi        and rdfmodeler.rb
09:29 rangi        seems to be the main control
09:29 rangi        https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf/blob/master/marc2rdf.rb
09:29 rangi        thats what im hoping
09:28 magnuse      it's based on a config file, so it's just a matter of walking through the config and the record and doing the right steps
09:28 magnuse      the central part of the transformation process should not be too hard to port
09:28 magnuse      yeah, that makes sense, i think
09:27 magnuse      yeah, for some data cleaning
09:27 rangi        and ill skip all the web frontend stuffs
09:27 wahanui      i think marc::record is http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/lib/MARC/Record.pm
09:27 rangi        and marc::record
09:27 rangi        marc2rdf uses some perl already
09:27 magnuse      ooh, hadn't seen marimba
09:26 * magnuse    shivers
09:26 rangi        but thats java
09:26 * magnuse    would be glad to help
09:26 rangi        there's also this
09:25 rangi        http://www.oeg-upm.net/index.php/en/technologies/228-marimba
09:25 magnuse      that would be awesome!
09:25 drojf        yay
09:25 rangi        yep im thinking i might have to port it to perl
09:25 magnuse      (which is written in ruby and which i am having some trouble getting to run at the moment...)
09:24 magnuse      and especially this tool: https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf
09:24 rangi        *nod*
09:24 magnuse      it's based on a lot of effort put into this at the Oslo Public Library
09:24 magnuse      that is true!
09:23 rangi        then smart people can ingest it and use it
09:23 magnuse      my preferred workflow is described here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC#First_steps
09:23 rangi        but if we allow for anyone to be able to get rdf out of a koha library
09:23 magnuse      hehe :-)
09:23 rangi        havent got that far yet
09:23 magnuse      what are you going to do with the rdf?
09:22 rangi        ie, a nice restful api to hand out any given biblio as rdf
09:22 rangi        /svc/rdf/biblionumber
09:22 rangi        but more useful, would be able to do
09:22 rangi        i think that would be useful
09:21 magnuse      s/have/have a/
09:21 magnuse      another question is how useful it is to have "save as rdf" option...
09:20 rangi        magnuse: yeah
09:20 rangi        basically i want to be able to make use of this when its ready
09:20 rangi        http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/lod/
09:20 magnuse      the big question is how you do the transformation
09:19 rangi        cool
09:19 magnuse      yup!
09:19 rangi        that would be pretty sweet
09:19 rangi        [% marcxml | marc2rdf %]
09:18 rangi        (actually id probably do it with a tt plugin)
09:18 magnuse      yeah, i don't think that should be a problem
09:18 rangi        could it convert it fast enough to render in reasonable time for a user?
09:18 rangi        like if i made an opac-rdf.pl page, gave it a marcxml blob
09:18 magnuse      depends on what you mean by fly, of course, but it shouldn't be a big problem
09:17 rangi        ?
09:17 rangi        magnuse: how feasible is it to convert marc2rdf on the fly
09:16 drojf        ;)
09:14 magnuse      yeah, let's do it while everyone at biblibre is on holiday :-)
09:14 drojf        well, marc support in general, but unimarc is a start :D
09:14 magnuse      hehe
09:14 drojf        i think we should drop unimarc support :P
09:13 drojf        lol
09:13 rangi        probably 150 unimarc ones by then
09:13 rangi        but yeah there will always be some waiting
09:13 rangi        i think i did 9
09:12 rangi        yep
09:12 magnuse      will there be anything for potential new squashers at kohacon13?
09:12 drojf        i accidentally did 1/4 of the signoffs and i did not have time to take part really :D
09:12 rangi        i did what i could
09:11 rangi        heh
09:11 magnuse      yup
09:11 drojf        i just wanted to say, it would be cool if more than ~3 people attend next time ;)
09:11 magnuse      but we do need to get more people squashing bugs
09:10 drojf        :)
09:10 wahanui      i think next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-08-23_Global_bug_squashing_day
09:10 magnuse      next gbsd?
09:10 magnuse      good thing next gbsd is in less than 2 weeks
09:10 * magnuse    agrees :-)
09:07 drojf        149 bugs need signoff again? you people work too much
08:59 magnuse      MARC::Doc::Tutorial++
08:59 drojf        hi rangi
08:59 magnuse      kia ora rangi
08:58 rangi        hi magnuse and drojf
08:53 drojf        and #koha
08:53 drojf        hei magnuse
08:53 magnuse      moin drojf
08:26 magnuse      gah, he's so quick...
08:26 magnuse      enjoy your movie dcook
08:26 dcook        Take care!
08:26 dcook        Great talking as always :)
08:26 dcook        But, I should be running
08:26 dcook        Not sure
08:26 dcook        I imagine that prices might scare people though :/
08:25 dcook        I would love to have a Kohacon in Norway!
08:25 dcook        hehe
08:25 magnuse      but i guess we could always just tell people not to buy bottled water in shops...
08:24 magnuse      i hope we can have kohacon in norway one day, but i'm afraid prices will scare people from coming
08:23 magnuse      yeah, depends on what you measure, i guess
08:20 * dcook      shrugs
08:20 dcook        And that Vancouver is the most expensive city in Canada, if not North America
08:19 dcook        This website says Sydney is 17th most expensive, but I've read other articles that say it's the 5th
08:19 dcook        These stats are also relative
08:19 magnuse      :-)
08:19 dcook        I'm going to the cinema tonight, but fortunately it's cheap night, so it'll be about 12 dollars instead of the usual 17-20
08:19 dcook        I remember thinking how Canadian alcohol was expensive (in comparison to American alcohol), but it is cheaper than Australian alcohol (which is cheaper than Norwegian alcohol)
08:18 dcook        It's funny how relative costs are
08:18 dcook        They do here as well, although I suspect not as many
08:18 magnuse      we have lots of taxes on alcohol
08:17 dcook        With the exception of the beer, perhaps
08:17 dcook        Hmm, these prices aren't dissimilar to Sydney
08:14 magnuse      see also http://www.garfors.com/2013/06/the-most-expensive-city-in-world.html for some corrections to the numbers
08:14 magnuse      yeah http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/expat-money/10130878/Now-Oslo-is-the-worlds-most-expensive-place-to-live.html
08:10 dcook        Alas, I'm not sure how affordable that option might be though.
08:10 dcook        I like this idea!
08:10 dcook        hehe
08:09 magnuse      ah, you can make it a quest then, 1 month in norway to locate your roots :-)
08:07 dcook        Alas, I do not :(. I only have 2 living relatives left on that side, and I'm not sure that even they would know :/
08:06 magnuse      cool, do you know whereabouts?
08:05 dcook        maternal*
08:05 dcook        My materal great great grandparents were from Norway
08:04 * dcook      does some calculations
08:04 dcook        I don't know when I'll get a chance to visit Norway, but it's been on the list of places to visit for the past 10 years
08:04 dcook        magnuse: ah, cool! Thanks!
08:04 dcook        I suppose that knowledge is only valuable insofar as understanding how silly the concepts of main/added entries are in online cataloguing
08:03 dcook        Whoa, I think I just levelled up my knowledge of added entries...
07:58 magnuse      dcook: http://www.lofoten.info/en
07:58 magnuse      MARC is silly...
07:57 dcook        (This whole "main entry", "added entry", "tracing paragraph" stuff is silly...)
07:57 dcook        AACR2--
07:57 dcook        MARC--
07:56 dcook        Growing up in the Canadian prairies, I feel offended if anyone insults them but people from there ;)
07:56 dcook        I know the feeling
07:55 dcook        hehe
07:55 magnuse      (i grew up in the south, so i'm allowed to dis them :-)
07:55 dcook        hehe
07:53 magnuse      and these guys: http://flynonstop.no/ are just about to start a direct route from London to Bodø, so you could skip sothern norway completely ;-)
07:52 magnuse      it is! :-)
07:52 dcook        I'll have to remember that. Midnight sun sounds quite astonishing :)
07:51 magnuse      the Lofoten islands, for example
07:51 magnuse      to see the midnight sun and the spectacular scenery
07:51 magnuse      and i would of cours erecommend going to northern norway
07:47 magnuse      :-)
07:47 dcook        That's winter here, so perfect timing ;)
07:47 dcook        Cool. Good to know :)
07:45 magnuse      so june or july, really
07:45 magnuse      august is probably the busiest month, because a lot of europe goes on holiday then
07:45 magnuse      so june, july, august
07:45 magnuse      oh, our summer, i mean
07:44 magnuse      unless you enjoy snow and cold and darkness
07:44 magnuse      dcook: summer
07:29 dcook        magnuse: What's the best time to visit Norway, would you say?
07:24 magnuse      hehe, probably :-)
07:24 magnuse      july is the big summer holiday month in norway, not august
07:24 sophie_m     ah, I was also on holidays, that's why I didn't saw it ;-)
07:23 magnuse      sophie_m: oh, i had 3 weeks in july
07:22 sophie_m     hello magnuse, no holidays for you ?
07:22 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m
07:10 sophie_m     hello #koha
07:10 magnuse      bookshops and such usually open around 10am
07:10 magnuse      some foodstores have started opening at 7am
07:09 magnuse      8am if you work in an office
07:07 christophe_c :)
07:05 dcook        I'll have to remember that when I visit ;)
07:04 christophe_c yes for us around 9am
07:03 magnuse      8am in norway, 9am in france i think
06:58 dcook        Wait a minute...does the work day start at 8am in Norway and France?
06:57 magnuse      hehe
06:55 dcook        I went back to Canada this time last year, so this will be my first Australian spring...
06:55 dcook        It's been pretty nice recently. I think winter is coming to an end soon.
06:55 dcook        " 12.0°C" that's not very warm ;)
06:55 magnuse      "Humidity: 20%" that's not very humid...
06:54 christophe_c bonjour magnuse ;-)
06:54 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 22.0°C (4:30 PM EST on August 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:54 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
06:54 alex_a       Bonjour dcook magnuse
06:54 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 13, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:54 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:54 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 23.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:54 magnuse      @wunder marseille
06:54 magnuse      bonjour christophe_c  et alex_a
06:53 dcook        salut alex_a aussi
06:53 christophe_c salut dcook ;-)
06:53 dcook        salut christophe_c
06:53 christophe_c hello #koha
06:48 dcook        I think I'm going about 2 cupcakes per hour at the moment...;)
06:48 * dcook      continues eating chocolate cupcakes
06:48 * cait       waves and runs off to breakfast
06:43 * magnuse    waves again
06:20 magnuse      hiya dcook laurence cait
06:19 laurence     hi dcook, magnuse cait
06:18 * magnuse    waves
06:18 dcook        salut laurence aussi!
06:18 dcook        Well in that case, glad to see you ^_^
06:18 cait         she is
06:18 dcook        Shouldn't cait be on vacation? :o
06:18 dcook        Wait a minute...
06:17 dcook        hey ya magnuse and cait :)
06:17 * cait       waves
03:43 * dcook      is glad that there's no one in his office who can see him eating dessert first
03:43 dcook        Hmm, 50% of the cupcake supply has been diminished...
03:41 dcook        night jcamins
03:41 dcook        \o/
03:41 * jcamins    goes to sleep now that he's ending on a high note.
03:40 jcamins      Now, at some point I need to make it look good, rather than just giving a 500: Permission denied error (especially since it shouldn't be a 500...) but I think the fact that it took me twenty minutes to add BrowserID authentication is still pretty cool.
03:39 rangi        yup
03:37 * jcamins    just added Persona authentication to Biblionarrator.
03:37 jcamins      Persona/BrowserID may be the easiest thing ever.
03:36 jcamins      Wow.
03:16 rangi        ruby always have to be difficult
03:15 jcamins      I remember seeing it and thinking it looked very cool, though.
03:15 rangi        yep
03:15 jcamins      Looks like it requires a very particular version of Ruby and Python.
03:15 jcamins      rangi: I think there was a reason I'd decided I didn't like that. Possibly that I couldn't get it to run because I tried to use it on a server that had other things.
03:14 wizzyrea     if it works it works
03:14 wizzyrea     ruby... but, meh.
03:14 * dcook      eats more chocolate cupcakes
03:14 rangi        i might run it up for a test
03:13 wizzyrea     very shiny
03:11 rangi        potentially interesting
03:11 rangi        http://gitlab.org/
02:58 dcook        I really thought it was an Inner West thing here in Sydney for a while. Who knew?
02:57 rangi        they seem to be
02:55 dcook        I don't know if onesies are a thing elsewhere in the world at the moment...
02:55 dcook        For those of you who don't live in Australia: http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/entrepreneur/animal-onesies-a-booming-market-20130809-2rlq1.html
02:22 dcook        If anyone wants one of the easiest sign-offs ever
02:21 dcook        1 character change
02:21 dcook        This might be the smallest patch I've ever seen
02:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10715 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , MARC21 007 Plugin Editor doesn't load position 01
02:21 dcook        bug 10715
00:43 dcook        I had no idea that Led Zepplin had so many LotR references...shows what happens when you actually listen to lyrics
00:42 dcook        Missing subscription history...
00:35 dcook        Oh...I think I might've found the solution to yesterday's seemingly impossible problem!
00:29 dcook        Free toilets in the McDo's though :p
00:29 dcook        The Arc de Triomphe was neat...although Champs-Elysées is weird.
00:28 dcook        (soldiers due to a bomb threat at the time or some such)
00:28 dcook        But yeah...all I remember of the Eiffel tower really are the illegal street vendors and soldiers
00:28 dcook        I thought Musée d'Orsay was overrated despite supposedly being underrated...
00:27 dcook        Paris in general really, although Montmartre and the Louvre were sweet.
00:27 dcook        I quite disliked visiting the eiffel tower.
00:27 dcook        Possibly also due to annoying tourists
00:27 dcook        Nah, I imagine it's probably due to having no licences and paying no taxes
00:24 wizzyrea     why, becasue they were tiny keyrings made out of pressed, lacquered, cocaine or something?
00:23 jcamins      Ah.
00:22 dcook        On key chains and such
00:22 dcook        Yeah, those little ones they sell at the base of the eiffel tower
00:22 jcamins      Miniature Eiffel tower trinkets?
00:21 dcook        http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2013/07/26/French-police-seize-66-tons-of-Eiffel-Tower-miniatures/UPI-95771374871005/
00:20 dcook        I did wonder where they all came from...
00:20 dcook        Apparently French police conducted a raid yesterday/today and seized 66 tonnes of miniature eiffel tower trinkets in a Parisian suburb
00:04 dcook        hey ya rangi
00:04 rangi        hi dcook
00:02 dcook        morning #koha