Time  Nick         Message
00:01 vinz3g       hola
00:01 vinz3g       i need help con koha translate
00:02 vinz3g       the command "koha-translate"no function en koha 3.13
00:02 bgkriegel    vinz3g: Hi, what kind of help?
00:03 vinz3g       I installed ubuntu 12.04 lts and the instructions for translate koha at the spanish
00:03 bgkriegel    Koha 3.13? where you get that from? Last release is 3.12.3
00:03 bgkriegel    you installed with packages?
00:04 vinz3g       but Koha version:
00:04 vinz3g       im using version dev
00:05 bgkriegel    Oh
00:05 bgkriegel    well, in a dev install you cant use koha-translate
00:06 bgkriegel    go to misc/translator and run "perl translate install es-ES"
00:07 vinz3g       ah!
00:07 bgkriegel    vinz3g: you speak spanish?
00:07 vinz3g       yes
00:07 vinz3g       im sorry bad english
00:07 vinz3g       :)
00:07 bgkriegel    bueno, esas son las instrucciones, desde el directorio donde tienes el repositorio
00:08 vinz3g       ah gracias
00:08 bgkriegel    :)
00:08 bgkriegel    prueba y me dices
00:08 vinz3g       una pregunta a lo mejor y vuelvo a instalar
00:08 vinz3g       mientras instalaba y seguia las instrucciones
00:08 vinz3g       me pregunto si debia instalar dev, standar y uno mas
00:08 bgkriegel    single
00:08 vinz3g       segun las instrucciones debia de poner deb
00:08 vinz3g       dev
00:09 bgkriegel    que es lo que quieres hacer, desarrollo?
00:09 vinz3g       esa no es la que sirve para producción verdad?
00:09 vinz3g       no
00:09 bgkriegel    no, no debes utilizar esa forma de instalar en produccion
00:09 vinz3g       ok
00:09 bgkriegel    lo mejor es instalar por paquetes
00:10 bgkriegel    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
00:10 vinz3g       ah si?
00:10 vinz3g       sin todo el rollo?
00:10 bgkriegel    asi es :)
00:10 vinz3g       ok, voy a probar
00:11 vinz3g       y luego desinstalo
00:11 bgkriegel    Ok
00:12 wizzyrea     instalar por paquetes is <reply> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
00:12 * wizzyrea   hopes that is a sensible thing to do
00:12 bgkriegel    :)
00:12 jcamins      wizzyrea: only if there's a Spanish speaker who knows how to spell it around. :)
00:13 wizzyrea     :)
00:13 vinz3g       ja ja
00:15 vinz3g       <bgkriegel> gracias si funciono
00:16 vinz3g       ya había hecho esto con la versión 3.10
00:16 vinz3g       en aquella ocasión no fue tan fácil tenía que declarar las variables
00:17 bgkriegel    good :)
00:17 vinz3g       bueno ahora que ya me quite la espina a desinstalar esta versión
00:17 vinz3g       por aqui sigo
00:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #175 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #175: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/175/
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10504: Remove the unused C4::Acq::ModOrderItem routine
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier.
01:25 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10170: strings in MARC import made translatable
01:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10170: expose more managed staged MARC strings to translation
01:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless
01:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10504 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Acquisition::ModOrderItem is unused
01:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier
01:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10170 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , non translatable strings in manage-marc-import (actions and table values)
02:30 mtj          hi #koha, is anyone out there building koha-3.10 packages.. running squeeze?
02:30 mtj          ...or has everyone upgraded to wheezy already :)
02:31 wizzyrea     the first question?
02:31 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
02:31 mtj          hey liz
02:31 wizzyrea     hiyassss
02:31 mtj          i'm trying to build a koha-3.10 package.. running squeeze
02:32 wizzyrea     and you're not having success?
02:32 mtj          no, i get an error
02:32 mtj          dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl
02:32 mtj          W: Unmet build-dependency in source
02:33 mtj          ...and that missing package only exists in wheezy
02:33 mtj          http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl
02:33 mtj          so… looks like i need to upgrade my box to wheezy before i success here?
02:34 mtj          (just gonna try on a wheezy box now)
02:34 jcamins      mtj: or backport liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl.
02:36 mtj          i didnt check on kc.org, to see if the package existed there
02:36 rangi        nope
02:36 rangi        its already there
02:36 rangi        on debian.koha-community.org
02:36 mtj          bah
02:38 mtj          thanks for spotting that chris :)
02:38 mtj          ive just run 'apt-get update', (forgot to do that step)
02:39 mtj          still get a 'missing dep' error
02:41 mtj          oooh, i got it :)
03:00 dcook        magnuse++ #This gist was really helpful! https://gist.github.com/MagnusEnger/1918264
03:06 wizzyrea     I thought F in reserves meant "found" not "finished"
03:06 rangi        filled
03:06 wizzyrea     filled!
03:07 rangi        w = waiting (aka found)
03:07 wizzyrea     err
03:07 rangi        you shouldnt have anything with F in your reserves table
03:07 rangi        they should all be in old_reserves
03:08 rangi        in modern koha anyway
03:10 mtj          does anyone have a preference for using 'squeeze' or 'squeeze-dev' for pkg-building stuff… in a prod situation?
03:12 mtj          my hunch is i should not be using 'dev' anything, for this… but was curious about what others may have used
03:12 jcamins      mtj: generally I use packages based on the released versions.
03:12 jcamins      And by "generally" I mean "I can think of no exception."
03:12 mtj          yes, me too
03:13 mtj          (i'm attempting to build a 3.10.9 on squeeze)
03:13 wizzyrea     you're just doing it from a git checkout?
03:14 rangi        isnt there already a 3.10.9 on squeeze released?
03:14 mtj          …but i'm still getting a tricky dependency error from aptitude
03:14 rangi        probably your pbuilder has the wrong sources
03:15 mtj          yep, but… i'm adding 2 local patches to the 3.10.9 repo
03:15 mtj          rangi, yep i think so too
03:16 mtj          just experimenting with diff pbuilder sources now
03:16 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#KohaILS Very satisfying. The data migration from Book Collector to Koha was tedious but now records look great & librarian is delighted :-)"
03:28 mtj          rangi, thanks, looks like that fixed it  ^^ :)
04:19 dcook        Any Catalyst folks around to give tips on using the web service to import bibs?
04:20 wizzyrea     define tips?
04:20 dcook        Good point
04:20 wizzyrea     the first question?
04:20 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:20 wizzyrea     besides the obvious stated one ;)
04:21 wizzyrea     which I would interpret as "I want to import bibs into koha using the web interface"
04:21 wizzyrea     is there a specific problem you are trying to solve?
04:21 dcook        Well, I'm importing DC records from an OAI-PMH repository, transforming them to MARC21 using a XSLT, and now I need to feed them into Koha...preferably in a batch mode that allows for easy tracking/reversal
04:22 wizzyrea     ok, and you are wanting to use the stage marc records for import?
04:22 dcook        I'm thinking that's the best way to do it. Yep.
04:22 wizzyrea     have you tried it?
04:22 wizzyrea     it might Just Work.
04:22 dcook        Nope. Don't even know where to start.
04:23 wizzyrea     Tools -> Stage MARC records for import
04:23 dcook        Ah, well, I wanted it to be more automated than that
04:23 dcook        So that someone presses a button, and then they go to "Manage staged MARC records"
04:24 wizzyrea     oh, you mean like the connexion client
04:24 dcook        Although I suppose I could try using Tools -> Stage MARC records for import to see if it handles MARCXML and not just MARC...
04:24 dcook        wizzyrea: Maybe?
04:24 wahanui      Maybe is a momentaneous error
04:24 wizzyrea     http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/oclcappendix.html
04:25 wizzyrea     you might be able to modify this to your purposes
04:26 dcook        Hmm, possibly. Very possibly.
04:26 dcook        Thanks wizzyrea ^_^
04:26 dcook        wizzyrea++
04:26 wizzyrea     yep yw :)
04:27 dcook        Hmm maybe not..
04:30 wizzyrea     http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/en/oclcdesktopsetup.html < how you configure to connect to it
04:31 wizzyrea     sounds like you just want to do what the connexion client does, but not with connexion (to me)
04:31 dcook        Pretty much, I think
04:32 dcook        I'm looking at the import_bib script again
04:33 dcook        Trying to figure out what params it wants
04:33 bgkriegel    dcook: do you have your records in a file? you could convert to marc using yaz-marcdump -i marcxml -o marc file.marcxml > file.marc
04:34 dcook        Eww
04:34 dcook        No offense, bgkriegel, but that seems rather backwards :S
04:34 bgkriegel    hehe, no problem :)
04:34 dcook        I'm retrieving them via an OAI-PMH web service, so they're just in memory until I do something with them
04:34 wizzyrea     I don't think Koha ingests marcxml through the web interface yet, but I could completely be wrong about that.
04:35 dcook        It should. I imagine it might only ingest marcxml actually
04:35 dcook        Yep, looks like just marcxml
04:36 wizzyrea     then no, I don't have any tips for you ;)
04:36 dcook        hehe, you've helped heaps, Liz :)
04:37 dcook        I think this might do the trick
04:37 dcook        I'm sure magnuse will have more info, as it was his idea originally
04:37 dcook        Well, using the web service API at least
04:37 dcook        This project has both been easier and harder than I originally anticipated
04:38 dcook        Oh...I just had an idea for a matching rule using OAI-PMH identifiers..
04:38 dcook        On one hand, I want to design this thing well. On the other hand, it's tempting to just get a working prototype and then work from there
04:39 wizzyrea     perfect is the enemy of good
04:39 dcook        True as
04:40 dcook        You're the second person to mention that to me in the past few months. Maybe I should inscribe that over my desk.
04:40 dcook        Huh...I never noticed how bare those walls are up there
04:42 dcook        Hmm, except this web service API requires cookies and it seems a bit silly to use HTTP to do this job..
04:42 dcook        This should be more of a hand-off than a throw..
04:44 dcook        But I think I can use the same ideas..
05:04 dcook        Oh my...I do believe I almost got it working...
05:07 dcook        Blearghhh
05:18 dcook        Mind you, maybe staged management is silly...and it's best to just auto-import into the catalogue...
05:18 * dcook      waves to cait
05:21 cait         :)
05:56 rangi        bwahaha
05:56 rangi        encrypt unnessecarily and waste resources :)
05:56 rangi        thats about the most nonsensical thing ive heard for ages
05:56 rangi        evening all
05:57 dcook        O_o
05:57 dcook        evening rangi
05:59 cait         evening rangi
05:59 cait         and huh? :)
05:59 rangi        you'll see
05:59 rangi        (on the list)
06:00 * bag        goes to check
06:00 cait         oh.
06:00 cait         OH.
06:01 bag          :)
06:25 dcook        Eww oai_marc...
06:25 dcook        http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/2.0/guidelines-oai_marc.htm
06:25 dcook        LoC strongly discouraged its use after 2002 at least...
06:25 cait         @wunder konstanz
06:25 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.1°C (8:25 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:28 dcook        cait: How familiar are you with the 035 system control number field?
06:29 dcook        I'm trying to think of the best place to put this OAI-PMH identifier...
06:31 cait         dcook: hm?
06:32 cait         i think oyu need an identifier
06:32 cait         for the source
06:32 cait         and the id
06:32 cait         i think both go in 035
06:32 dcook        Yeah, it looks like it takes the form of: $a(source)identifier
06:32 cait         you could also put it in 001 (additionally)
06:32 cait         and... there is a matching field for the source there
06:33 dcook        You mean the 001/003?
06:33 cait         koha doesn't use 001 right now really, although we probably should have a way to set a number there automatically
06:33 dcook        Agreed. The 001 probably should be taking the 999$c
06:33 cait         well not for us
06:33 cait         but for some people
06:33 dcook        Actually, I was thinking about your situation...
06:33 cait         i am happy having our union catalog id in 001 because i have to match on that
06:33 dcook        How do you keep your union catalogue synced?
06:34 cait         importing every night currently
06:34 cait         all the changed and updated records
06:34 cait         using the command line version of the staged marc record
06:35 dcook        Sounds complicated
06:35 cait         i treally isn't
06:35 cait         it's fully automated and works nicely
06:35 dcook        Yeah?
06:35 dcook        Neato!
06:36 dcook        I'm contemplating how best to set up this OAI-PMH harvesting..
06:36 dcook        I've successfully gone from Point A to Point B
06:36 cait         but if there was oai harvesting.. maybe that could be  a way to do it more instantly
06:36 cait         instead of nightly
06:36 dcook        Exported a record out of Koha as oai_dc, harvested it, transformed it from oai_dc to marcxml, then fed it back into Koha through the import_batches
06:36 cait         dcook: why do you need to put the id somewhere?
06:36 cait         why not just import the records as they are?
06:37 dcook        Mainly, I'm thinking for matching
06:37 cait         so what if they already have 001 set?
06:37 dcook        In that case, it would be fine, so long as you had a 001 matching rule, me thinks
06:38 cait         have to run :)
06:38 cait         bbiab
06:38 dcook        see you! :)
06:45 * magnuse    waves
06:45 dcook        hey ya magnuse :)
06:45 magnuse      g'day dcook
07:04 bag          heya magnuse
07:04 wahanui      magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
07:04 magnuse      kia ora bag
07:04 bag          well tall but maybe not a giant
07:04 bag          :)
07:04 magnuse      :-)
07:18 bag          hey matts
07:18 matts        hi !
07:18 kf           hi matts and bag
07:18 kf           :)
07:18 kf           good morning #koha
07:19 bag          heya kf
07:21 magnuse      hiya kf and matts
07:21 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:21 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
07:21 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:21 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
07:22 magnuse      heh
07:22 magnuse      @wunder konstanz
07:22 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:23 kf           @wunder Konstanz
07:23 huginn`      kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:23 kf           oh
07:23 kf           it feels a lot warmer
07:24 magnuse      ouch
07:25 kf           yeah, i already want to take another shower :(
07:29 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m
07:30 sophie_m     hello magnuse
07:30 sophie_m     hi #koha
07:33 kf           bonjour sophie_m and paul_p
07:33 christophe_c hello #koha
07:34 kf           hi christophe_c :)
07:34 sophie_m     Guten Morgen kf
07:35 christophe_c hello kf ;-)
07:35 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @aestivus: "I love, love, love, LOVE that I can write SQL queries to generate reports, now. #KohaILS #controlovereverything"
07:35 kf           :)
07:35 kf           happy librarian :)
07:37 dcook        :D
07:38 dcook        Maybe I should encourage her to send patches into the community..
07:38 dcook        She's running our code but has her own server, so it's possible...
07:39 kf           :)
07:40 dcook        Murrr...I should go home
07:42 kf           go home!
07:43 dcook        Maybe I'll just write some quick notes to myself...:p
07:44 * kf         glares at dcook pointing at the door
07:48 dcook        Notes made ^_^
07:49 dcook        Since Koha uses datestamps that have date and time...we could potentially use OAI-PMH to update your union catalogue much more regularly than nightly...
07:49 dcook        I'm just going to have to make sure that I put a lot of checks in...
07:50 dcook        Anyway, that's for tomorrow!
07:50 dcook        Have a good day, kf :). And everyone else!
07:50 kf           dcook++ :)
07:50 magnuse      yeah dcook++
08:11 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Installing Multiple Instances of Koha  http://t.co/6fOSi21Hjj #KohaILS"
08:50 magnuse      bonjour paul_p - back from holiday?
08:51 paul_p       hi magnuse yep. for one week, then 2 new weeks AFK !
08:51 magnuse      yay!
08:51 magnuse      afk++
08:52 paul_p       (including one not really holiday, because my loved wife is working again as midwife after 10 years of taking care of the family, so I'll take care of the childrens ;-) )
08:52 magnuse      hehe
08:55 kf           paul_p: hope she has a good start :)
08:55 magnuse      yeah
08:56 magnuse      it must be quite a change for the whole family too...
08:57 paul_p       kf = she had an awful one in fact. The midwife manager phone her after her first day, saying it was a really special day, with sooo much work. My wife made 2 more days already, and they were much smoother ;-)
08:57 paul_p       magnuse & kf = do you plan to come to KohaCon13 ?
08:57 kf           paul_p: hopefully it will stay that way than - wish her good luck from us? :)
08:58 kf           paul_p: all booked :)
08:58 magnuse      paul_p: sadly not :-(
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10:50 magnuse      the horror, the horror...
10:50 kf           hm?
10:59 magnuse      working with MARC data...
11:03 kf           oh
11:03 * kf         sends cookies
11:05 kf           release schedule?
11:20 magnuse      yay, staff client is 100% translated to swedish
12:09 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:13 kf           hi oleonard
12:13 kf           @wunder Konstanz
12:13 huginn`      kf: Error: timed out
12:13 kf           hm boo
12:13 kf           release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
12:14 kf           release schedule?
12:14 wahanui      release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_3_14_gmcharlt#Timeline
12:20 oleonard     Not much time
12:20 kf           time runs fast yes
12:21 kf           and lots of big things stuck in qa :(
12:22 * oleonard   is looking at Bug 9811
12:22 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Patrons search improvements
12:22 oleonard     Uh oh, the browse by last name links don't work at all.
12:23 oleonard     Oh wait, is it just thinking really hard? I see the "processing" message...
12:23 kf           i think it's thinking really har
12:23 kf           d
12:23 kf           at least it worked for me yestrday hm.
12:24 kf           probably a silly question - but did you shift reload?
12:24 kf           javascript caused lots of weirdness the first time i tried it out
12:24 oleonard     I just did
12:24 magnuse      i tried the browse links on 3.12.3 this morning and they seemed to work fine
12:24 kf           oleonard++ # thx for taking a look :)
12:24 oleonard     I'm testing Bug 9811 magnuse
12:25 oleonard     So when you first load members-home.pl it tries to load a batch of records? Based on what criteria?
12:25 kf           based on indybranches i think all or your own
12:26 magnuse      ah, never mind me
12:28 oleonard     Looking at the POST data in the console suggests that it's trying to load all the patron records.
12:28 kf           hm
12:28 oleonard     I would expect the browser to have locked up if it were having trouble processing all that data though
12:28 kf           see... i knew you woudl spot something :)
12:29 kf           oleonard: i think the processing is done server side... but not sure
12:29 oleonard     Over 62000 patrons by the way.
12:29 kf           aweseome :)
12:29 kf           seriously - i only had the sample data and it's great to get it tested with that many
12:32 tcohen       morning #koha
12:34 kf           hi tcohen
12:34 kf           @wunder Konstanz
12:34 huginn`      kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (2:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
12:35 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:35 huginn`      tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 15.0°C (9:00 AM ART on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
12:41 tcohen       kf, got your email, downloading right now
12:43 kf           ah ok
13:24 tcohen       is there any documentation on the desired behaviour of reserves? any use case analysis doc?
13:25 kf           tcohen: nope - black hole
13:25 kf           and we really really need more tests...
13:26 kf           hm well i think we got some tests for buildholdsqueue and the transportcostmatrix
13:26 druthb       @excuse
13:26 huginn`      druthb: My excuse for today is "El Nino"
13:26 * druthb     thinks that's a good one.
13:26 oleonard     tcohen: What do you mean by desired behavior?
13:26 kf           bug 10663 triggered it I guess :)
13:26 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
13:27 kf           tcohen++
13:27 tcohen       if someone fills a bug, how can i know it is a bug instead of a feature?
13:27 kf           tcohen: i think librrians expect it to work in some way... which is not a good way to determine
13:27 kf           and 'it has always worked like that' maybe
13:28 kf           which is also quite horrible
13:28 wahanui      okay, kf.
13:28 kf           lol
13:28 kf           which?
13:28 wahanui      somebody said which was quite horrible
13:28 oleonard     "It has always worked that way" is the same as "There has been a consensus that it should work this way" with regard to a lot of functionality
13:29 tcohen       i'm fine with 'it has always worked like that', guess we'll have to document it for posterity
13:29 kf           yeah... but having documented behaviour and use cases would be nicer :(
13:29 tcohen       i'm not asking for that docs, i'm just trying to catch up with the bug circumstances
13:29 kf           tcohen: hm i guess if your tests pass on a commit pre the rewrite and 3.12 we coudl assume that we have reverted it enough for now
13:30 tcohen       and will document it myself once we get it sorted
13:30 kf           and making the tests on CanBookBeRenewed
13:30 kf           and CheckReserve - CheckReserveStatus has obvious holes, but it could be used for determining waiting status and item level hold status - but we woudl need to actually document that it's not suitable for anything else
13:31 kf           hm GetReserveStatus
14:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1345 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 11 days ago)
14:03 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a757d939a705f3165e55c08ca54eb943e41b261> / Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7ab80ae12a12d3a96903456982cedf6f13252a3>
14:07 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Reports Permission in Koha http://t.co/evogNUttRD #KohaILS"
14:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #25 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
14:21 oleonard     Yes, Internet Explorer, I didn't mean for you to navigate to localhost:8888, I meant to search for it. That makes perfect sense.
14:22 oleonard     A feature, I assume, for stopping potential security problems you can't otherwise prevent
14:23 jcamins      oleonard: same thing for IP addresses, as I recall. You must add the http:// at the beginning and / at the end.
14:24 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack IE programmers
14:24 wahanui      thanks druthb :)
14:30 oleonard     Gawd, IE, why are you so UGLY?!
14:31 kf           @wunder Konstanz
14:31 huginn`      kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 29.6°C (4:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:31 kf           can't be true ... i am melting away
14:36 oleonard     @wunder 45701
14:36 huginn`      oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (9:51 AM EDT on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
14:36 oleonard     Unusually cool here for August
14:49 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/25/
14:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves
14:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help
14:49 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
15:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1345: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1345/
15:11 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves
15:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help
15:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
15:31 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
15:39 druthb       Hi, mtompset.
15:40 mtompset     Greetings, druthb. How are you?
15:41 druthb       Meh.  I'm here.  Not very perky today.
16:17 mtompset     I know that feeling, druthb. Just working on screenshots and text for demonstration of the login patch I've got working in our QA system. :)
16:18 mtompset     I must be hungry. For a minute there I thought I saw, "paste.koha-community.org for long pastries".
16:21 druthb       lunch just arrived, here.  It's Mexican, today.
16:51 rambutan     Interesting read for javascripters: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/hidden-services-current-events-and-freedom-hosting
17:17 pianohacker  Thankfully the actual shellcode isn't _too_ malicious: http://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/comments/1jpln2/has_anyone_else_taken_a_look_at_the_shellcode/
17:26 pianohacker  gmcharlt: Did I answer your questions on bug 10320?
17:26 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
17:26 gmcharlt     pianohacker: yes, thanks
17:27 pianohacker  okay, cool. Slowly getting back into the Koha groove, so wasn't sure I had the details down
17:31 pianohacker  gmcharlt: How's your day going?
17:31 gmcharlt     just fine
17:31 gmcharlt     you?
17:32 mtompset     Greetings, rambutan pianohacker gmcharlt.
17:33 pianohacker  pretty good, just a slow monday
17:33 rambutan     mtompset: greetings
17:45 tcohen       Why the *** doesn't the AddReserve method return either the reserve id or the relevat reserve object?
17:49 * mtompset   smirks.
17:50 mtompset     tcohen: Because someone wasn't thinking when they wrote it? ;)
17:50 tcohen       yes yes, i should be quiet instead of whining on the open, sorry for that
17:51 tcohen       i mean, complaining
17:51 oleonard     Who knows perhaps someone might have confessed to the crime
17:52 tcohen       its jst too rude
17:52 mtompset     Actually, because perhaps the person who wrote it the first time assumed that the calling function would check the reserves to see if it failed, because it was only called in one place at the time?
17:53 mtompset     I know it seems dumb to do it that way, but it at least would make sense of what became a potential mess? Just a thought.
18:17 * magnuse    waves
18:19 pianohacker  Has anyone upgraded their Koha install to 2.4 yet? I'm getting odd "access denied by server configuration" errors
18:20 jcamins      2.4 what?
18:20 pianohacker  sorry, Apache
18:20 jcamins      Ah. No.
18:29 mtompset     2.4 isn't available via packages, except in Jessie or Sid, as far as I can tell. And why would you want to install from source?
18:30 tcohen       2.4 is coming in 13.10, and should be available to wheeze-dev
18:30 pianohacker  mtompset: My personal/dev machine is running Jessie
18:30 pianohacker  honestly, how could I not?
18:31 magnuse      tee hee
18:31 mtompset     really, tcohen?
18:31 jcamins      pianohacker: Agreed. It would just seem wrong for you not to be.
19:25 oleonard     I wonder if libraries who display the barcode in the OPAC really need that barcode to appear in its own sortable column...
19:25 * magnuse    thinks not
19:28 mtompset     sort on barcode?
19:28 mtompset     We like to display it, but I haven't had someone ask for it to be sorted.
19:29 oleonard     mtompset: I'm looking in particular in the OPAC at the logged-in user's summary page (opac-user.pl)
19:29 oleonard     That table gets very wide if you have a long barcode showing
19:30 pianohacker  oleonard: Perhaps some automatic &shy; insertion?
19:30 oleonard     In a barcode?
19:30 mtompset     define "long"?
19:30 * jcamins    agrees with magnuse.
19:31 oleonard     mtompset: 14 digits
19:33 mtompset     Well, my summary is quite empty, let me get a checkout done here... I would suspect if it is easier to make it sortable than unsortable, I'd go easier, though sortable seems like overkill to me.
19:37 oleonard     I'm tempted to put it into the "title" table cell in order to cut down on the number of columns
19:38 mtompset     oooo.... no, don't do that.
19:38 mtompset     barcode on its own is nice.
19:38 jcamins      mtompset: why?
19:39 mtompset     there's something about reading a heading "barcode" and seeing the column that makes finding the barcode easier than putting in with the title.
19:40 mtompset     That's just my gut feeling.
19:40 jcamins      mtompset: okay, but why should any of us care about that?
19:40 jcamins      Including you.
19:41 mtompset     don't we checkout by barcode?
19:41 jcamins      In the OPAC list of items a patron has out?
19:41 jcamins      No.
19:42 mtompset     I suppose only a staffer would care about barcode.
19:42 mtompset     A general patron probably wouldn't.
19:45 mtompset     Hmmm... that's interestng. I checked out a lost book, and upon check-in, it is available.
19:45 oleonard     That is to be expected mtompset
19:46 mtompset     shouldn't there be a warning about checking out a lost book?
19:46 mtompset     But that is expected, if you checked out a book and checked it back in.
19:46 oleonard     Oh maybe. The part which I would have expected was the availability upon checkin
19:47 oleonard     What is the circulation staff supposed to do with the knowledge that the item was lost?
19:47 oleonard     ...during checkout?
19:47 mtompset     Tell their supervisor a lost book was found? :)
19:48 mtompset     Check to make sure they typed in the correct barcode?
19:49 oleonard     Those don't sound like plausible examples to me.
19:50 mtompset     mistyping a barcode is not plausible?
19:50 mtompset     Not everyone has scanners.
19:51 oleonard     Under what circumstances should you distrust a barcode entry?
19:51 oleonard     You could just as easily have mis-typed a barcode from another available book.
19:52 mtompset     True enough, I suppose. But if an item is marked lost, don't that increase the chances of a typo?
19:52 jcamins      Not really, no.
19:53 jcamins      Unless a significant percentage of your collection is marked lost as a euphemism for "we don't own this."
19:53 jcamins      In which case you're doing it wrong.
19:53 mtompset     So, you are telling me that people mark books lost willy nilly, and that they constantly find them?
19:54 jcamins      Not willy-nilly, just when the books aren't truly lost, yes.
19:54 jcamins      One of the more common cases is where a patron walks out with a book that wasn't checked out properly to them.
19:54 jcamins      Someone else wants the book, requests a search, and when it's not found it's marked lost.
19:55 mtompset     Then the person returns it.
19:55 jcamins      Then the original patron returns the book.
19:55 jcamins      Exactly.
19:55 jcamins      Based on my experiences at one of the large universities here in the city, about 10% of the books that leave a library like that have not actually been checked out.
19:56 mtompset     Really? That's higher than I would have expected.
19:56 jcamins      And I've worked with a library that complains of rates much higher.
19:56 jcamins      Their students have a 25% misscan rate.
19:56 jcamins      (they say)
19:57 mtompset     25%?!
19:58 jcamins      They didn't know it was possible to turn on checksumming in their barcode scanners.
19:58 jcamins      So the scanner was beeping and the students were giving patrons the books, even though a quarter of the time it was a misscan.
19:59 jcamins      I recommended turning on checksumming so the scanner won't beep when it doesn't scan properly.
19:59 mtompset     And that's with barcode scanners. I'm worried about our case which is more of a people have to type it.
20:01 jcamins      Unfortunately, the only solution is to teach your circ staff to *actually check that the book they have matches what comes up*.
20:05 oleonard     Now that's crazy-talk
20:05 * mtompset   smirks.
20:09 * oleonard   threatens to assign Bug 4461 to jcamins since it was his idea
20:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Context-sensitive report a problem screen
20:14 jcamins      bug 4461
20:14 jcamins      Oh.
20:14 jcamins      I do it with JS.
20:14 oleonard     Hi SherryS
20:16 druthb       jcamins:  Do it with lisp!  http://xkcd.com/224/
20:16 jcamins      $('#link').click(function () { window.location = '/path/to/context-sensitive-form?url=' + window.location.href; }) for anyone wondering.
20:21 oleonard     Later #koha
20:26 mtompset     How does that JS put a link on the page?
20:27 jcamins      mtompset: it doesn't. That's the context part.
20:28 mtompset     Do you use JS to put the link on the page in one of the OPAC system preferences?
20:28 jcamins      Yeah.
20:29 mtompset     druthb++ # nice xkcd. :)
20:32 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS  Reports Permission in Koha http://t.co/n99FmzBLW6"
20:50 * wizzyrea   waves
20:51 mtompset     Greetingd, wizzyrea. :)
20:51 mtompset     Greetings, nengard. :)
20:51 wizzyrea     hi and bye
20:51 nengard      hi
20:52 mtompset     Nice reports permission in koha blurb.
20:57 wizzyrea     nengard you should have rights to update that page in the website
20:57 wizzyrea     but I think probably better just to not put the version on there.
20:58 wizzyrea     because let's be honest - everybody's demo has their own special sauce on it and could hardly be called a canonical demo of stock Koha.
20:59 nengard      i didn't try to update the page, was just trying to get the people with demos to update their own info :)
20:59 nengard      but i think we had the version on there so we could see which demo was which
20:59 nengard      so you could pick the one best for you
20:59 nengard      i'm not picky though
20:59 nengard      whatever everyone decides
20:59 wizzyrea     no, there was no good reason except that is how it was when the previous owners had the site
21:00 jcamins      I have a suggestion: remove the page, and link to the wiki.
21:00 jcamins      Then people other than wizzyrea and nengard can update the page if they so desire.
21:00 nengard      works for me
21:00 nengard      alright i'm out for the day
21:03 * magnuse    agrees with jcamins
21:03 mtompset     jcamins++ # good idea regarding the demo page.
21:05 wizzyrea     mmm not sure I agree with that. In fact, I'd rather we didn't do vendor based demos at all. But since that's what we've got... that's what we've got.
21:07 jcamins      wizzyrea: it seems to me that if we're going to be advertising the demos, at least the information should be somewhere that the people who have access to the information have access to.
21:07 wizzyrea     yea, I would rather we had a stock only demo Koha
21:08 magnuse      wizzyrea: is there an alternative to "vendor based demos"?
21:08 wizzyrea     and the vendors can advertise their demos on the wiki.
21:08 jcamins      I imagine that magnuse's demo is stock only, since it auto-updates every night.
21:08 magnuse      yup
21:08 mtompset     magnuse++ # cheers for basic defaults. :)
21:08 magnuse      head.bibkat.no is master
21:09 magnuse      demo.bibkat.no runs off the same package install as my customers, which is currently the official packages
21:09 wizzyrea     then we should use yours ;)
21:10 magnuse      but it's normarc, which might come as a surpris to some ;-)
21:10 wizzyrea     sorry I have to run away
21:10 wizzyrea     bbl
21:12 magnuse      and i need some sleep - see ya in ~9!
21:16 rangi        morning
21:25 mtompset     Greetings, rangi. :)
23:19 tcohen       cait?
23:19 wahanui      cait: go to bed
23:19 cait         :)
23:19 cait         yeah?
23:19 tcohen       did u get my email?
23:19 mtompset     Greetings, cait. :)
23:19 cait         hm work mail?
23:20 cait         can't access that now
23:20 cait         too late
23:20 tcohen       np, its just that you were right
23:20 tcohen       i sent you a pointer to my github, so u see how i fixed it
23:20 mtompset     She frequently is. :)
23:21 tcohen       i'm stuck writing the unit tests
23:21 tcohen       because the whole scenario is not straightforward to build
23:21 mtompset     YUCK! Those necessary evils.
23:21 cait         tcohen++
23:21 cait         i will look now if you got the link?
23:22 tcohen       github.com/tomascohen
23:22 tcohen       https://github.com/tomascohen/koha
23:22 tcohen       https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/commit/d7a0145f61dd675604925118eafffe35af03c5e5
23:23 cait         hm running out of battery on the tablet
23:23 cait         might be right back
23:24 cait         tcohen: cool fix :) 3 lines
23:24 cait         :)
23:25 tcohen       https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/commit/f6b2a370422fc3be32684565470f494614d96a21
23:25 tcohen       ^^^ this is what I need to re-check
23:25 cait         i am not at work tomorrow - so can't test
23:25 cait         but maybe wednesday, i hope
23:26 tcohen       np cait
23:26 tcohen       i'll try to make some advance on the unit tests
23:26 cait         :)
23:26 cait         you are a hero :)
23:26 tcohen       i'm missing proper circ rules i guess
23:26 cait         and do i spot my name there in the tests?
23:26 cait         :)
23:27 tcohen       Mrs Reservation, Katrin
23:27 cait         heh yes
23:27 cait         not sure, but maybe could reuse some of the scenarios i had for checkreserve status?
23:27 cait         like... item level hold.. no hold, 2 items, one with item level hold, etc.
23:28 mtompset     tcohen++ # nice use of names. ;)
23:28 tcohen       right, i'll do that cait
23:28 tcohen       thanks
23:29 cait         no thx to you
23:29 cait         that gave me a lot of headache
23:31 mtompset     is autocommit off and rollback all that are needed for a test to not change the DB?!
23:31 jcamins      mtompset: yes.
23:32 cait         quite easy once someone came up with that idea :)
23:32 cait         good night all :)
23:33 mtompset     So, I could test::www::mechanize a whole bunch of scenarios and just autocommit off and rollback?
23:33 rangi        no
23:34 mtompset     I knew I was missing something.
23:34 rangi        its only valid for that database handle
23:34 rangi        you switch autocommit off in your script, that doesnt affect any other scripts
23:35 rangi        so when you start hitting the website with mechanize
23:35 rangi        different db handles
23:35 mtompset     right. :(
23:35 rangi        if you want to do it with mechanize
23:35 rangi        to test a lot
23:35 rangi        first thing it does is dump the db
23:35 rangi        run all the tests
23:35 rangi        reload the db
23:42 * cait       really goes to sleep now :)
23:42 cait         good night :)
23:45 pianohacker  kk, good night all
23:52 tcohen       night cait
23:54 tcohen       hi rangi
23:55 rangi        hi tcohen
23:56 tcohen       got my reservation code for the flight
23:56 tcohen       :-D
23:56 dcook        \o/
23:56 dcook        awesome, tcohen!
23:56 tcohen       it is :-D
23:57 tcohen       will book for the hotel tomorrow
23:57 tcohen       looks like there are three towers?
23:57 dcook        I think so
23:58 dcook        I think one is more expensive than the others?
23:59 rangi        yep
23:59 wizzyrea     tcohen: love your test biblio in your tests for circ :P
23:59 rangi        dolphin and something
23:59 rangi        are teh same price
23:59 rangi        and then the other one is more expensive