Time Nick Message 00:36 tcohen night #koha 06:42 rangi this ask idea site is interesting, but who do they propose is going to do the answering? 06:43 magnuse rangi: you ;-) 06:43 rangi heh, unlikely :) 06:44 rangi i dont have time to monitor yet another thing :) 06:44 * magnuse suspected as much :-) 06:44 rangi i suspect it will end up a wasteland of unanswered questions 06:44 rangi or a bunch of wrongly answered questions 06:45 rangi like 06:45 rangi sudo rebuild_zebra.pl 06:45 rangi :) 06:46 rangi but i might be wrong, they should try it and see, but not with a .koha-community.org until it was proved useful 06:46 magnuse good idea 06:46 gmcharlt if it a builds an FAQ, great 06:47 gmcharlt if it splits the discuss or results in folks say "no, dummy, ask your question _here_", not so much 06:50 gmcharlt rangi: I'd disagree with you on one point -- if the experiment gets made (and I think it should be explicitly done, if it all, only as an experiment), it ought to be on a koha-community.org subdomain 06:51 gmcharlt first, to encourage people to think of k-c.org as the place to go or jump off from for help 06:52 gmcharlt second, based on the experience with the libraries stackexchange, that hosting it elsewhere is all but guaranteed to ensure that it will be a wasteland 07:01 rangi im more of the, i dont want a pile of bad answers to be associated with koha-community.org 07:02 rangi because i think its 90% chance of being bad and non existant answers 07:02 rangi if i thought it might work, id want it associated 07:06 gmcharlt that almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, though 07:07 gmcharlt mind you, I'm not volunteering to set one up 07:08 rangi yep 07:09 gmcharlt I'm not sure that there's any basis to this other than a gut feeling, but I feel like stackexchange-like sites just about need a bigger pool of folks willing to answer quesitions to be useful than a mailing list does 07:09 rangi exactly 07:09 rangi much bigger 07:10 rangi without people spending a lot of time rating answers too 07:10 rangi you end up with a lot of searchable bad advice 07:10 rangi the only reason stackexchange is useful 07:11 rangi is because bad answers get rated down 07:11 gmcharlt and the occassional good-but-non-consensus answer, no doubt 07:11 rangi ye 07:11 rangi p 07:13 gmcharlt on the other hand, other than making things more bulletproof (which, of course, would be a Good Thing), there's got to be a better way to deal with the perennial questions other than variations on RTFM 07:13 rangi yep 07:13 gmcharlt which tends to be a common failure mode of a lot of experienced folks on the mailing lists 07:14 gmcharlt the other common one being simply not responding to those at all 07:14 rangi i feel like 90% of the questions 07:15 rangi should be directed to http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html 07:15 rangi seriously 07:16 rangi if you dont understand file permissions and/or cron .. don't run a server 07:16 rangi helping them is actually not helping them 07:16 rangi unless you are willing to spend a couple of weeks teaching them the basics of a posix system 07:17 gmcharlt but I enjoy that! also, I love that the walls in my room are so cushiony! 07:17 rangi becaus otherwsie be it 1 week, 1 month, or 1 year from now, they will either be pwnd, have a disk die, or trashed their system in some other way 07:18 rangi its a problem i dont have a good solution to 07:19 rangi LUGs seem to have disappeared 07:23 gmcharlt the irony of all this is that Koha has never been easier to install 07:23 gmcharlt heh 07:23 gmcharlt maybe that's the problem 07:23 gmcharlt :) 07:24 gmcharlt anyway, time to wander off to bed 07:32 rangi i think thats part of it, the koha barrier is really low, which means inexperienced users are trying it :) 07:32 rangi sleep well 09:42 cait good morning #koha 10:45 cait @wunder Konstanz 10:45 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.0°C (12:40 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 12:24 jcamins What should I make for breakfast that involves lychee? 12:25 cait hm 12:25 cait that's a hard one 12:25 cait why not just eat them fresh together with some toast? 12:25 jcamins No bread for toast. 12:25 jcamins Oh, and one additional requirement: 12:26 jcamins I don't want to have to have the oven on for more than a half hour. 15:05 jcamins cait: I made lychee crumble. 15:05 jcamins I highly recommend it. 15:13 cait :) 18:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #170 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:30 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.7°C (8:30 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 18:30 cait @wunder Reutlingen 18:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 27.0°C (8:30 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 18:36 druthb @wunder 77063 18:36 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 35.3°C (1:35 PM CDT on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 18:37 cait ! 18:40 druthb yep. pretty toasty out here. 18:47 cait @quote random 18:47 huginn` cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) 18:47 druthb drojf! 18:48 drojf druthb! :) 18:48 drojf #koha! 18:53 cait drojf! 18:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #170: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/170/ 18:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10510 - OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon 18:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10029 - CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve 18:54 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10428: undefined check in add additem.pl 18:54 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10346 - "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" 18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10510 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon 18:54 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list 18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10029 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , CAS authentication fails in OPAC reserve 18:54 drojf cait! 18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10428 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , undefined check in add additem.pl 18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" 18:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Adding multiple items from a cart to a list shows only the first title 19:07 cait @wunder Reutlingen 19:07 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 26.6°C (9:07 PM CEST on August 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 19:09 tcohen hi cait 19:09 cait hi tcohen :) 19:12 bgkriegel hi all 19:13 bgkriegel cait: after 9902, we need 10088? 19:25 cait bgkriegel: hm i had looked at rangi's last comment 19:25 cait and assumed we didn't 19:25 cait but maybe i was wrong 19:26 cait bgkriegel++ 19:27 bgkriegel I think that if we put 9902 then the problem from 10088 arises 19:27 cait that might be 19:27 cait hm 19:27 cait i will test if 10088 applies 19:27 bgkriegel it applies 19:28 cait hm 19:28 cait it fixes staged ordering? 19:29 bgkriegel i'm trying to test it 19:30 cait me too 19:33 cait bug 10088 19:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10088 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, software error when filling a basket with staged record 19:33 cait bgkriegel: seems ok to me 19:33 cait with the patch applied 19:34 cait m acqcreateitem was not set for creating items 19:36 cait bgkriegel: yes, we need 10088 - i can reproduce the perl error 19:37 cait bgkriegel++ 19:43 bgkriegel cait++ 19:43 bgkriegel ok, move on 20:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #171 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:14 cait hm someon around who could test somethin in master for me? 20:15 cait i have the problem that for my items the homebranch/holdingbranch/branch information does no longer show in the opac detail page 20:16 bgkriegel Location? 20:16 wahanui i guess Location is /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 20:17 cait bgkriegel: the location column is always empty in my database 20:18 cait it's rather puzzling, the marc view shows the branches nicely 20:19 bgkriegel strange, I can see it http://snag.gy/q8v2R.jpg 20:20 cait i wonder if one of the various related prefs is doing it 20:21 cait i have the separate tab display activated 20:21 bgkriegel well, just trying to change one of them... and got an error 20:21 bgkriegel that one 20:21 wahanui i guess that one is down more often than up 20:22 cait oh? 20:23 cait what's the error? 20:24 bgkriegel a template error when saving OpacSeparateHoldings 20:24 bgkriegel OpacSeparateHoldingsBranch 20:25 bgkriegel changing to separate/don't separete 20:25 cait ah 20:25 cait hm maybe that was the syspref editor? can you paste? 20:25 bgkriegel yes 20:26 bgkriegel paste? 20:26 wahanui i think paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 20:26 bgkriegel http://paste.koha-community.org/155 20:28 cait bgkriegel: the logs don't show anything suspicious - but my branches are stll not showing up :( 20:28 cait bgkriegel: i think what you have is a bug in the syspref eidtor maybe 20:28 cait it looks familiar 20:29 bgkriegel you can change that syspref? 20:29 cait ye 20:29 cait ss 20:29 cait but no change on the detail page 20:30 cait it shouldn't make a difference... but are you using xslt? 20:30 bgkriegel yes 20:32 cait hmm i have an idea 20:32 cait singlebranchmode was activated 20:32 cait phew 20:32 cait thx bgkriegel for testing 20:33 bgkriegel no problem :) 20:33 cait got ma panicking a bit :) 20:34 cait bgkriegel++ 20:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #171: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/171/ 20:55 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool 20:55 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request 20:55 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9902 - item subfields not populating 20:55 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10088: FIX adding an order from a staged file. 20:55 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available 20:55 jenkins_koha * Sonia LEMAIRE: Bug 9519: fix code for Italian language search limiter 20:55 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9519: DBRev 3.10.09.001 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9113 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , batch modification removes + 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9533 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , batch item modification should ignore defaults 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , item subfields not populating 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10088 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, software error when filling a basket with staged record 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10384 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when LDAP connexion fails 20:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9519 trivial, P5 - low, ---, sonia.lemaire, Pushed to Stable , Wrong language code for Italian in the advanced search language limitations 21:03 cait hm.... 21:03 * cait wonders if we could get some more opinions on 9811 21:03 cait bug 9811 21:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements 21:03 * cait leaves that for the logs and the curious :) 21:03 bgkriegel hehe 21:03 bgkriegel night cait 21:20 bgkriegel bye