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23:58 dcook Mmm
23:56 BobB LL customer
23:48 dcook Just read the newsletter. Migrating away from Koha? :(
23:44 dcook I hear that.
23:42 BobB pretty busy, still working on yesterday's list :)
23:41 dcook How goes your Friday morning?
23:41 BobB :)
23:41 dcook Hey BobB
23:40 BobB morning dcook
23:37 dcook morning #Koha
23:34 wizzyrea \o/
23:33 pianohacker I want to get those fixed at some point, but it may not be soon, so I wanted a record of them :)
23:33 pianohacker jcamins: Cool, thanks
23:33 jcamins pianohacker: if I figure out what I did to reproduce it I'll put it on the bug.
23:33 wizzyrea aww yay!
23:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , System preferences not marked as modified after paste
23:33 pianohacker wizzyrea: bug 10674
23:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 minor, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Message hide timeout can go out of sync in preferences.pl
23:32 pianohacker jcamins: bug 10673
23:31 wahanui \ ^o^ /o/ /o\
23:31 wizzyrea ymca?
23:28 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nzKoha: "NZ #KohaILS users grp 21 Nov Auck at https://t.co/LmdFUc4xci register interest with jannie dot win at plantandfood dot co dot nz"
23:26 pianohacker ah, yeah, that's definitely a bug
23:26 jcamins pianohacker: it won't hide, but then when you click save again, it'll hide the new one immediately after it displays.
23:25 pianohacker jcamins: interesting. Out of sync how?
23:25 jcamins wizzyrea: that's separate, I think.
23:24 wizzyrea there it is
23:24 wahanui Send a patch!
23:24 wizzyrea be rangi
23:24 pianohacker hahahaha
23:24 wahanui There's a bug for that
23:24 wizzyrea be rangi
23:24 wizzyrea I don't like the "pasting doesn't always tell the entry box you've put stuff in" but again, there's probably not a bug for that.
23:24 * pianohacker presses the "<gmcharlt> file a bug" button
23:24 jcamins It has to do with the setTimeout for the fadeout getting out of sync.
23:24 pianohacker ah!
23:24 pianohacker Hold on, let me check my notes. The big green button makes rangi say "write a unit test!", where's the other one...
23:24 wizzyrea I like them, I think
23:23 jcamins Drat.
23:23 jcamins Apparently not.
23:22 jcamins I did, but did I report a bug? That's the big question.
23:22 pianohacker Do you have steps to reproduce?
23:22 pianohacker jcamins: Good to hear. I'll have to poke at that code while I'm using them, to see if I can fix that problem
23:21 jcamins Other than the fact that they don't always work under Chrome.
23:21 jcamins I like them.
23:21 jcamins Different question.
23:21 jcamins Oh.
23:21 jcamins pianohacker: use FF if you're having trouble under Chrome.
23:20 pianohacker Anyone have an opinion of them, positive or negative?
23:20 pianohacker Yo, #koha. A couple years ago, I snuck transparent messages into the new sysprefs editor (to display errors and "saved" notifications)
21:59 rangi https://github.com/micha/resty
20:58 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
20:58 magnuse logs?
20:57 JoeLib001 That is awesome. :-)
20:55 magnuse JoeLib001: [off] keeps thing out of the logs :-)
20:53 JoeLib001 [off] Meaning off topic discussion?
20:50 drojf good night #koha
20:20 drojf [off] that is a litte much to ask maybe? :P
20:19 jcamins [off] If only they were competing to provide something that was a good idea.
20:19 drojf [off] nothing bad about a little competition ^^
20:19 drojf [off] so who is going to accidentally put his name as koha 3.12 live dvd manager on the about page? :P
20:14 jcamins [off] Yeah, I was kind of insulted by the message this author sent asking to be paid for the LiveDVDs he had been preparing for free "as a service to you," or whatever he said, but he does seem to understand that he's making a commitment by saying that.
20:13 * cait nods
20:13 rangi i know which one id pick
20:13 rangi the other one updates the security release
20:12 * jcamins pictures two DVDs rolling back 10 paces.
20:12 rangi one sends a mail about not being on the about page
20:12 rangi this other guy is winning in my book
20:12 rangi and it appears the important thing is to be recognised, not do security updates
20:12 rangi we have dueling dvd's
20:11 jcamins Heh.
20:11 rangi check the latest message to the list
20:11 rangi it becomes clear
20:11 rangi ah ha
20:07 rangi heh
20:07 cait lol
20:06 oleonard I'm so used to correcting merge errors in patches with database updates that when I don't get them I forget to run the database update.
20:03 cait oleonard++ :)
20:03 cait morning rangi
20:01 rangi excellent
20:01 * oleonard is being a busy-body to everyone's patches today
19:43 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update images for framework subfields
19:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #344: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/344/
19:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #344 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:07 drojf i guess it will turn into cat kebab once they are older ;)
19:06 drojf http://www.berlin.de/aktuelles/berlin/3145540-958092-katzencafe-oeffnet-in-neukoelln.html
19:06 jcamins drojf: cat kebab?
19:06 cait ?
19:05 drojf the good news is, a cat cafe just opened in my part of berlin :D
19:04 drojf and kills cats
19:04 cait makes a good geek? :)
19:03 nengard it's our nature
19:03 nengard we're all curious
19:03 cait and there i thought only i was so curious... :)
19:01 drojf i thought so, had to ask anyway ;)
19:00 nengard sorry
19:00 nengard not my place
19:00 * drojf is not a curious person ;)
19:00 drojf nengard: i suppose you can't tell us what they are moving to?
18:56 nengard you'd be safe in doing so :)
18:56 drojf i blame weird management choices
18:56 nengard and i do agree of course with you all
18:56 nengard they did do that
18:55 cait i didn't knwo they did
18:55 cait that's really sad then
18:55 cait :(
18:55 drojf uh. they sponsored course reserves and hourly loans. woudln't now be the time to harvest the crops?
18:55 nengard all i can say is it wasn't his choice
18:55 * nengard knows everything about koha ;) hehe
18:54 oleonard Do you know some gossip nengard?
18:54 nengard it wasn't his choice
18:50 cait i could imagine it was not his choice to make
18:50 cait I don't know details
18:49 drojf our newsletterman moves _away_ from koha? that's a weird direction that i only ever heard of in context of liblime ^^
18:48 cait not much
18:48 cait heh
18:48 drojf what did i miss? i don't want to read the log, i bet it's confusing
18:48 drojf hi cait and oleonard
18:48 cait hi oleonard :)
18:47 oleonard Hi cait and drojf
18:47 cait hi drojf
18:36 drojf good evening #koha
17:16 gaetan_B bye!
16:34 JoeLib001 The problem isn't with the Journals. It's with the records for books that I put into the Acquisitions system.
16:33 JoeLib001 Good luck. :-)
16:33 jcamins [off] In fact, I'm off to give that very speech right now. Bye!
16:32 jcamins [off] Honestly, in your situation I would probably tell them to go back to using MS Excel for journals, because it's not worth their time or yours to try and break Koha to be more like a 50yo system.
16:32 JoeLib001 jcamins: That might be a good alternative.
16:31 JoeLib001 I doing a Koha install on a Virtual Machine and I am going to see, if I can't hack it into existence. xD
16:31 jcamins JoeLib001: write a script to do it in a batch once a week?
16:30 JoeLib001 kf: Well, that's what I want. They want me to enter the information manually. XD
16:30 kf i see the problem, but i think it's currently not possible to do what they want
16:29 JoeLib001 kf: Yeah, I have been hinting that we should just make the switch. I don't have enough people on my side though. XD
16:28 JoeLib001 kf: The other system is used for Cataloging/Circulation/Opac, etc.
16:28 kf koha has a nice opac actually... :)
16:28 kf hm
16:28 JoeLib001 kf: Yes.
16:27 wahanui i guess opac is for patrons
16:27 kf opac?
16:27 kf JoeLib001: hm what is the other system used for except for cataloguing?
16:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests
16:27 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl
16:27 JoeLib001 kf: I think the main issue is that they don't want to give up a system that has been setup for the last 50 years ....
16:27 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions
16:27 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm
16:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1343: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1343/
16:26 kf hm ok, that makes sense...
16:26 kf ah
16:25 JoeLib001 kf: We are currently only using Koha for Journals and Acquisitions. The books get cataloged on a different system, but they import my records from Koha. XD
16:25 kf so it's nothing we ever looked into
16:25 kf we are updating the data nightly from a union catalog... so those data would be overwritten all the time
16:25 kf the problem is such linking wouldn't work at all for some libraries like ours
16:25 kf I was wondering about the use case/workflow
16:24 JoeLib001 kf: That was my first suggestion. XD
16:24 kf well the information is in acq... so why store it again in the marc record?
16:24 kf ah catalogers...
16:24 JoeLib001 kf: I thought I had successfully convinced our cataloger that they didn't need a random 945 line with certain information, but alas. :-)
16:24 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
16:24 kf first question?
16:23 kf JoeLib001: first question? ;)
16:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl
16:23 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl
16:23 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/23/
16:23 JoeLib001 kf: I am trying to link a marc subfield to a koha aqorders field. That way I don't have to type something that Koha already knows about.
16:22 jcamins But achieving similar results with Koha would require a lot of template restructuring.
16:22 oleonard Very cool jcamins
16:21 jcamins oleonard: the searches are rendered client-side, particularly if you click the knowledge trail maps on the right.
16:21 kf i haven't read all so i might be totally off
16:21 kf bigbrovar: could it be something like hyphens/no hyphens in your isbn?
16:20 jcamins I've never used the built-in rule, so it could be that it doesn't work. Perhaps someone else can shed light on that.
16:20 kf JoeLib001: what are you trying to achieve?
16:20 bigbrovar jcamins: am using the default rule.. maybe I should check it if anything is amiss
16:18 jcamins bigbrovar: when the matching rules have failed for me, it's because I had a bad rule.
16:18 jcamins JoeLib001: I suspect it would just result in a mess, but I could be wrong.
16:15 bigbrovar jcamins: have u ever had issues with the matching rule before? any advise/idea how I can troubleshoot or what I could be doing wrong?
16:14 JoeLib001 Would one just be able to add aqorders to the kohafield tables in the /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?
16:14 jcamins bigbrovar: right, because it uses xml.
16:14 jcamins [off] oleonard: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com:3000/search?q=Discussion
16:14 bigbrovar jcamins: incremental cronjob?
16:13 jcamins However, you can try (but disable the incremental cronjob!).
16:13 jcamins bigbrovar: that is very unlikely to fix it.
16:12 bigbrovar maybe I should do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f --u usmarc -v instance instead of a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance ?
16:11 bigbrovar from my little experience with the marc stage upload tool.. the matching rule is a 50%.. I had similar issues with isbn rules before it started working (didn't even do anything differently) and then when it worked.. I had to import in batches cus it only did part of the first batch and ignored the rest when it should have done a match of all the items..
16:10 jcamins oleonard: the problem as I see it would be breaking the templates up enough that we could make use of partials for client-side rendering.
16:09 bigbrovar jcamins: :) but so far koha keeps telling me 0 match using the issn rule..
16:09 oleonard jcamins: I don't understand it well enough to know
16:08 bigbrovar using issn as a match
16:08 jcamins bigbrovar: darn. That would've been an easy solution.
16:08 jcamins oleonard: I quite like handlebars, but I'm not sure how much it would help in Koha.
16:08 bigbrovar jcamins: yes so that I can add items to the records
16:08 jcamins bigbrovar: you're trying to match against records already in the database, right?
16:07 bigbrovar am using the debian squeeze packages for koha 3.12
16:06 jcamins oleonard: https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/tree/master/views
16:06 bigbrovar I can't seem to get issn matching rule to work using marc stage import.. it keeps telling me 0 match found even though the issn exist in the records and can be searched from opac and staff client
16:06 oleonard Looking at browser.js made me think of it
16:06 oleonard I have not, but I often wonder if Koha would benefit from something like it
16:06 jcamins I found it a little over-magical.
16:06 jcamins I started with mustache, but I didn't like it so much.
16:06 jcamins I like it.
16:05 jcamins I'm using handlebars.
16:05 jcamins Yes.
16:05 jcamins Ah.
16:05 oleonard moustache, handlebars, etc.
16:05 jcamins oleonard: what do you mean?
16:05 oleonard jcamins: Have you ever worked with a JavaScript template system?
15:52 JoeLib001 *answer
15:52 JoeLib001 I was afraid that was the anser. XD
15:51 JoeLib001 :-)
15:51 jcamins JoeLib001: I don't think so, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
15:51 JoeLib001 I would be wanting to link the aqorders.budget_id field to a specific 900 field / subfield.
15:49 JoeLib001 I am specifically talking about the Koha Link field in the MARC Structure / Advanced Contraints section.
15:48 JoeLib001 Is there a way I can map an aquisition for orders field to the marc record?
15:48 oleonard Hi JoeLib001
15:47 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests
15:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions
15:46 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm
15:46 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/22/
15:46 jcamins http://caniuse.com/namevalue-storage
15:46 oleonard Well it's certainly not a deal-breaker.
15:46 jcamins If I were to use localstorage instead of cookies, that would work, but it would also reduce compatibility.
15:44 jcamins That would fail on any browser other than Chrome.
15:44 oleonard :(
15:44 jcamins Yes.
15:44 oleonard Would it be hard to add a title attribute to the "previous" and "next" links with the corresponding titles?
15:42 jcamins The paging is done 98% client-side.
15:41 jcamins It is recording the search results.
15:41 oleonard I haven't looked at the code carefully yet. What is that JavaScript doing on the results page?
15:41 jcamins I can remove that.
15:41 jcamins No.
15:41 oleonard Is that useful?
15:41 oleonard There is some commented-out code in results.tt, [% dumper.dump(SEARCH_RESULTS) %]
15:39 oleonard Yeah we don't have one yet outside the theme directory
15:39 oleonard Not sure if that distinction is useful going forward, it's just they way I've understood it.
15:39 jcamins I didn't see a js directory, so I put it in the lib directory.
15:39 jcamins We can certainly do that.
15:38 oleonard I would have put browser.js in intranet-tmpl/js rather than intranet-tmpl/lib/koha because in the past lib has been the place for 3rd-party libraries
15:38 jcamins What questions?
15:38 jcamins Hooray! I've also asked some folks with Windows to test it on every browser they can find.
15:37 oleonard It looks good and works well. I've got a couple of questions about the implementation
15:37 jcamins Thoughts?
15:37 jcamins And, yes, for another hour or so.
15:37 jcamins oleonard: great!
15:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10404 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add previous/next browsing to staff client search results
15:37 oleonard jcamins: Around? I'm looking at Bug 10404
15:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82e1a1c1b39eb497a0ecf8742b2c1b272439b2b6> / Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9d8a8424dcd62988293920f7c67f7d0a01efc70> / Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a
15:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1343 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 7 days 1 hr ago)
15:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
14:52 tcohen thanks kf
14:51 kf haven't seen him talking here in a while
14:51 kf tcohen: i think that's only fredericd
14:47 tcohen anyone from tamil?
14:26 rambutan [off]ah, you mean "DD" of course. I didn't catch that immediately
14:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "OSCON Keynote: Start With Freedom http://t.co/2NjwlE710o #KohaILS"
14:23 jcamins I suspect the abbreviation may mean something else in this context.
14:22 rambutan to clean tables in McDonalds, I should have said
14:22 rambutan That's the reality of "overseas" I think. In Thailand, they have 1-4 "busboys" to clean the tables. Very helpful service. Reflects the cost of labor presumably.
14:20 jcamins [off] Wow, that must be quite a workshop to require a designated driver for each attendee.
14:08 cwust thanks for the help with testing still
14:08 cwust sorry
14:08 cwust Ok, Bueno, gracias por la ayuda sigo con las pruebas
14:06 cwust and don't work when restrict the permission
14:05 jcamins Okay, that is a good clue. I would suspect that there is probably a system preference to disable editing other branches' patrons, but I don't know what it is.
14:05 cwust The edit button works for the user superlibrarian
14:04 jcamins Then I'd either e-mail the list or look through the manual to see if there are any system preferences that could cause the behavior you're seeing.
14:03 cwust One more thing
14:03 jcamins The first thing I'd do is see if there is a problem for superlibrarian users.
14:02 cwust what can I do for solved this problem?
14:02 jcamins Someone else might have some suggestions.
14:02 jcamins I'm out of ideas, sorry.
14:02 jcamins Hm. It works for me, so it must be a configuration.
14:01 cwust but not in the button edit
14:01 cwust I can editing the atributes if I click in each link edit
13:58 cwust 3.12.03
13:58 wahanui hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top
13:58 jcamins What version?
13:58 jcamins Oh. So it's just an incorrect error message display.
13:57 cwust but the change is done
13:57 jcamins Do you have IndependantBranches turned on? If you have IndependantBranches turned on and the patron is from a different library, you won't be able to edit it.
13:56 cwust and my user setting is: catalogue and borrowers (Add or modify borrowers)
13:53 cwust ok, When I edit a partner I have a message "You don't have permisson for do it"
13:50 kf it depends on the question
13:49 cwust can you help me?
13:49 cwust I have problem whit koha
13:48 cwust Hi kf
13:48 kf hi cwust
13:46 cwust hellow every one!
13:31 druthb :P
13:31 oleonard We're probably overloading OFTC by talking too much.
13:25 * druthb gets out the velcro
13:24 Dyrcona Yeah, looks like OFTC.net had a little hiccup.
13:24 * oleonard enjoyed the ride
13:24 oleonard We're all back!
13:23 kf back
13:19 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS Newsletter Koha Communautaire Volume 4 Issue 7 : Juillet 2013 http://t.co/VcmvWROpR1"
12:08 kf thx
12:05 magnuse have fun kf
12:04 tcohen good luck kf
12:04 kf tcohen: and sorry - in a meeting in a minute
12:03 nengard will update the bug
12:03 nengard cool
12:03 oleonard nengard: I would say in the opac it should sort by lib_opac. I just wanted to confirm that that was what was causing your particular sort issue.
12:02 kf tcohen: i could provide you with a couple of unit tests i wrote... until i reached the conclusion in the last comment
12:02 nengard or lib
12:02 nengard instead of description
12:02 nengard shouldn't the opac sort by lib_opac?
12:02 kf tcohen: kind of me.... but not really right now
12:02 nengard soooo ....
12:02 nengard the other one has codes in the description and friendly text in the lib_opac
12:00 nengard checking another
12:00 nengard oleonard, on the one there is a space in the label! :)
11:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
11:58 tcohen who's working on bug 10663?
11:58 nengard checking
11:58 oleonard nengard: Could you check the authorized values for the examples you posted on Bug 10656?
11:57 tcohen morning kf
11:56 oleonard Since GetAuthorisedValues gets an $opac parameter I guess we could change the sort based on that
11:55 oleonard I wonder if in those examples lib is different than lib_opac, causing weird sorting?
11:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10656 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelving locations not alpha on search
11:55 oleonard I don't understand Bug 10656... My shelving locations are correctly sorted by description. The SQL in GetAuthorisedValues says "ORDER BY category, lib, lib_opac"
11:47 magnuse oleonard: lol
11:41 oleonard I always read the newsletter to find out what fashions the Koha celebs are wearing this season
11:41 magnuse (guess i forgot to actually read the newsletter...)
11:39 magnuse ouch!
11:39 oleonard It would be instructive to know why
11:39 jcamins magnuse: yep, in the newsletter Daniel says that Samuel Merritt is dropping Koha next year.
11:39 oleonard No more Koha at Samuel Merritt University
11:38 magnuse huh? no more koha?
11:35 jcamins I noticed that.
11:33 oleonard Oh no, we're losing our newsletter editor (and Samuel Merritt University I guess)
11:31 oleonard Hi #koha
11:24 kf wizzyrea++ # for suggesting to add blue berries to the fennel salad
10:44 bigbrovar I am thinking maybe if I run this koha-rebuild-zebra -f - --usmarc -v instance instead of koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance
10:43 bigbrovar I did encounter this problem too a while back.. and it took a while before it started working.. thing is I don't even know what I did differently then (just the same thing I had always done)
10:42 bigbrovar am having problems getting matching rules in stage marc for import tool to work with koha 3.12 (debian squeeze packages) .. I was sure to do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance before doing the marc import.. yet koha found 0 marc for the ISSN rule even though a manual search of issn included in the marc file to be imported displayed results.
10:39 * magnuse waves again, after a bip outage
09:48 kf hi rangi and liw
09:46 liw hi, rangi
09:45 rangi evening
09:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous venons de traduire la newsletter communautaire Koha en franÃ§ais - http://t.co/Y10rlXbTcw #KohaILS"
08:50 kf yay :)
08:21 wahanui rumour has it next gbsd is friday august 9th
08:21 magnuse next gbsd?
08:21 magnuse next gbsd is friday august 9th
08:21 magnuse next gbsd?
08:21 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd
08:21 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd
08:21 wahanui i heard next gbsd was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day
08:21 magnuse next gbsd?
08:20 magnuse next gbsd is friday august 9th
08:20 magnuse gaetan_B: all good
08:19 kf magnuse: no vetos :)
08:18 gaetan_B bonjour magnuse, Ã§a va ?
08:17 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
08:09 gaetan_B hello
08:07 magnuse that's settled then?
08:07 magnuse true
08:07 kf so can advertise there :)
08:06 kf we have irc meeting on 7th i think
08:01 magnuse works for me
08:01 magnuse next friday would be august 9th
08:00 magnuse so... which friday? not tomorrow.
07:58 kf ok for me
07:55 magnuse so... day of the week? friday?
07:50 kf nope
07:49 magnuse but should we let that stop us? ;-)
07:49 magnuse yeah, probably
07:44 kf i think it's vacation time in france
07:44 kf not sure
07:44 magnuse does biblibre still have community days/half days?
07:44 kf :)
07:43 magnuse so yeah, let's set a date
07:43 magnuse kf++
07:43 magnuse yay
07:41 kf http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/attachments/20130731/0ad8c19f/attachment.htm
07:40 kf oh or maybe
07:40 kf magnuse: sorry no - i just get the digest
07:40 kf always missing out on all the fun the europeans have :)
07:39 kf poor dcook
07:36 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:36 dcook night all!
07:36 dcook Don't want to go already..
07:36 dcook It's :( because you folks just arrived!
07:36 dcook Wait, that's supposed to be :)
07:36 dcook Time to go home :(
07:31 magnuse got a link for the eg mailing list message?
07:30 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:30 kf god morgen magnuse :)
07:30 magnuse yeah, i was just thinking the same thing
07:27 kf well.... i interpret it like that
07:27 kf which means we shoudl do another one sometime :)
07:27 kf GBSD made it to the evergreen mailing list :)
07:17 kf hi #koha
07:17 magnuse ooh, look: a clean slate: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
07:16 magnuse ah papa++ then :-)
07:16 papa although I cannot really match Kyle
07:15 papa yep, that's me :)
07:15 dcook Srdjan has been on fire lately
07:15 dcook papa++
07:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Use DataTables in the OPAC
07:13 magnuse srdjan++ for signing off bug 9916
07:13 magnuse danielg++ for the newsletter
07:07 magnuse bonjour sophie_m1
07:05 magnuse oh noes?!?
07:04 dcook I can't remember the last time I had pizza..
07:04 dcook Mmm pizza
06:59 magnuse yay!
06:59 wahanui friday is pizzaday!
06:59 magnuse friday?
06:59 magnuse :-)
06:57 dcook One more day until beer o'clock...
06:57 dcook 4:57pm
06:57 dcook Well, it's nearly 5 anyway
06:56 dcook I'll probably want feedback from Galen too as he works on making Koha more metadata independent
06:56 magnuse nah, just have a chat with marcel and make sure you are not duplicating your efforts :-)
06:55 dcook I suppose my timing is rather bad with all of this :p
06:55 dcook If the transformation happens on import..
06:55 dcook So perhaps I could store my oai_dc in there too
06:55 dcook I suppose storing MARC21 and UNIMARC in the import_records table
06:54 dcook Yeah, I wonder what Marcel has in mind
06:54 dcook I see what you're saying
06:54 magnuse i was just thinking of the "transform marc" part of 6536
06:54 dcook Oh wait...right..
06:53 dcook I don't think its related though
06:53 dcook I'm going to look at Marcel's bug again
06:53 dcook Maybe start with the database work
06:53 dcook So I guess the next step is...
06:53 dcook magnuse: I've successfully harvested oai_dc records from Koha :)
06:53 christophe_c bonjour magnuse dcook ;-)
06:53 magnuse :-)
06:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0Â°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
06:53 magnuse @wunder boo
06:52 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 19.1Â°C (8:52 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:52 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:52 magnuse bonjour christophe_c
06:52 magnuse lol
06:52 dcook salut christophe_c :)
06:52 * dcook scowls
06:52 christophe_c hello #koha
06:52 wahanui dcook?
06:52 dcook wahanui?
06:52 wahanui dcook?
06:52 dcook wahanui?
06:52 wahanui okay, dcook.
06:52 dcook wahanui: wahanui is also a strange duck
06:52 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes...
06:52 dcook wahanui: wahanui is a strange duck
06:52 dcook No, probably that..
06:52 wahanui hmmm... not even that is cold :)
06:52 dcook Or not even that..
06:51 dcook I guess I would pass the latest datestamp on record to the function each time it runs
06:51 dcook Oh right, that's there too
06:51 dcook Oh...seconds, eh?
06:51 dcook magnuse++
06:51 magnuse "Repositories must support selective harvesting with the from and until arguments expressed at day granularity. Optional support for seconds granularity is indicated in the response to the Identify request."
06:51 mtj dcook, yep - still here!, but have not been chatting on irc much lately
06:50 dcook That should work
06:50 magnuse "Harvesters may use datestamps to harvest only those records that were created, deleted, or modified within a specified date range. To specify datestamp-based selective harvesting, datestamps are included as values of the optional arguments, from and until, in the ListRecords and ListIdentifiers requests."
06:50 dcook Mmmm
06:50 magnuse http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps
06:50 magnuse oops double paste
06:50 dcook I'm going to look at how Koha forms its datestamp for OAI-PMH
06:50 magnuse there you go: http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestampshttp://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps
06:49 dcook I suppose I wonder about the reliability of that
06:49 magnuse yeah, something like that
06:49 dcook "from" and "until"?
06:49 dcook Yeah, I was wondering about that
06:49 magnuse let me see if i can find something about it
06:49 magnuse you can ask for records that changed since a given time
06:49 dcook How's that?
06:48 magnuse yeah, oai-pmh lets you not do that
06:48 dcook It seems crazy to harvest the entire database every time you want to harvest new records
06:48 * magnuse is curious
06:48 dcook Now...I'm starting to wonder how to harvest in an efficient way
06:48 dcook magnuse: Plus, I'm starting to think the conversion won't be the toughest part
06:47 dcook mtj: I was wondering if you were still alive. Haven't seen you around in ages.
06:47 dcook magnuse: Yeah, I took a little look, but it doesn't look like Marcel has gotten very far with the XSLT/conversions
06:45 mtj heya dcook , magnuse
06:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing (umbrella report)
06:45 magnuse dcook: you have seen bug 6536, right? looks like there is some overlap with your work regarding marc conversion
06:44 magnuse good for them... nah, not really, in the long run
06:43 dcook I can't get RAM old enough for my machine, and I can't open hers up
06:43 magnuse yuk
06:43 dcook My wife's 2012 Eeepc has the RAM soldered on :S
06:43 dcook My 2010 Eeepc has a RAM slot
06:43 magnuse kia ora mtj
06:43 dcook Funny thing about asus...
06:42 dcook :p
06:42 magnuse is that the latest model from asus?
06:42 dcook hey ya mtj
06:42 dcook I've finally figured out how to get the metadata out as a string of XML!
06:42 dcook Eeeeeee!
06:40 cait bbiab
06:35 magnuse hiya dcook
06:32 dcook hey ya magnuse :)
06:31 * magnuse waves
06:08 dcook Hmm, looks like we do respect "from" and "until" in oai-pmh...hmm
06:06 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:06 dcook @later tell kathryn That library.plantandfood.co.nz site seems to be missing a few images. I get errors when I load up the search results in the OPAC
06:05 dcook Images or total security
06:05 dcook So that's probably why it's ok ;)
06:05 dcook kathryn, bag: Apparently, Amazon images don't come up with https
05:55 dcook Drowning in tabs...
05:55 dcook Too many tabs...
05:41 dcook I think I'll fetch the records, output them as XML objects, store them in the DB (as per Galen's suggestion), then transform them into MARC21
05:41 dcook Not that I really want to use the parser most likely
05:40 dcook I loaded it, and it worked ;)
05:40 dcook But it seems that it doesn't
05:40 dcook Because all the examples suggest that it does
05:40 dcook I thought that it was auto-loading the OAI_DC parser
05:37 cait figured it out?
05:33 dcook \o/
05:33 * dcook swears under his breath
05:32 dcook Maybe it is my idiocy
05:32 wahanui unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either
05:32 dcook Unless...
05:31 dcook Easy access to OAI Dublincore...right
05:31 dcook But this is even using the author's example :/
05:31 dcook It's there...but HTTP::OAI::Harvester doesn't seem to be parsing it as it should...unless I'm missing something painfully obvious
05:30 dcook I can just get the OAI identifier and datestamp, but when I try to get the DC metadata...nada
05:30 dcook I can retrieve the records but I can't print out any metadata at all
05:30 cait oh
05:29 * dcook is grumbling about HTTP::OAI::Harvester
05:29 * cait can't follow
05:29 dcook Or not...
05:27 dcook Oooh...I think I found that method I wanted..
05:15 dcook But...
05:15 dcook Likely to happen? Probably not
05:14 dcook Password sniffing and such should be eliminated due to the SSL, but the calls out to Amazon would be in the clear, so that could be intercepted and something different handled over as if it were from amazon
05:13 dcook But in theory, I'm sure it could be
05:13 dcook bag: Practically speaking, it might not be much of an issue
05:13 dcook hey cait :)
05:11 cait and hi #koha
05:11 cait night kathryn :)
05:11 kathryn night :) and hi cait!
05:11 bag THERE IS wine :)
05:10 dcook No worries. There's wine!
05:10 kathryn you're welcome dcook sorry to bail :)
05:10 dcook Thanks for the help, kathryn :)
05:10 kathryn I'll bring it up with good folks here to check again too, I have to run away - my excuse is WINE!
05:10 bag I'm heading home I think
05:09 bag never mind I'm tired
05:09 bag so do the amazon calls come back to the browser or to the server?
05:08 kathryn but things change!
05:08 kathryn I recall it being ok for, reasons...
05:07 bag hmm is that really an issue?
05:07 dcook Such as the amazon images
05:07 dcook Users should get warning messages in their browser that while the connection is encrypted, they're bringing in unencrypted resources
05:06 dcook As I'm sure everyone would
05:06 dcook kathryn: Looks like you guys have the same issue then
05:06 dcook Hmm
05:06 bag usually it ports to SSL when you need to log in
05:05 bag we have opac's with SSL but not amazon
05:05 wahanui https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is probably a research library
05:05 kathryn https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
05:05 dcook Cool. That would be helpful :)
05:04 kathryn I'll show you one
05:04 dcook True true
05:04 kathryn but it's a clue!
05:04 kathryn yeah, pass
05:04 dcook hehe
05:04 kathryn but I'm unlikely to be able to answer your next question'
05:04 dcook Hmm, I take it you've fixed up your XSLT to use HTTPS with Amazon?
05:03 kathryn :)
05:03 kathryn yep
04:58 dcook Any folks using ssl for their Koha OPACs?
04:46 bag :)
04:41 dcook Damn, I was hoping it was my idiocy..
04:41 dcook Hmm or not..
04:41 dcook That's why
04:41 dcook Because I'm an idiot
04:40 dcook Wait..
04:40 dcook Why do you think the element is empty you bloody parser...
04:37 dcook Hmm, I don't think our Koha OAI-PMH server handles "from" and "until" parameters...
04:35 dcook I'm using some code the author used as an example so maybe I need more error checking but still...:S
04:33 dcook Or rather...so I could dump it and try parsing it myself
04:32 dcook Just so I know what I'm looking at
04:32 dcook Hell, I'd be overjoyed if I could see a "asXML" method somewhere
04:30 dcook If it's not the data, then it's the handler...which is a possibility...but the thing seems to croak as soon as it tries to parse the DC
04:29 bag it's always the data - that's what talljoy says
04:23 dcook Probably the data
04:23 dcook Or maybe it's the data...
04:21 * dcook grumbles about HTTP::OAI::Harvester
03:13 bag hey galen
03:13 gmcharlt hi bag
03:12 bag evening all
02:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
02:33 jcamins bug 8033
02:16 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS Koha Community Newsletter: July 2013 http://t.co/0ft3Dmfpnx"
02:06 dcook For 8033 :p
02:06 dcook rangi++
02:06 cjh [off] dcook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs
02:05 dcook [off] keep out*
02:05 dcook [off] Or maybe to keep all those pesky foreigners like me.
02:04 dcook [off] My first thought was invasion of New Zealand :p.
02:04 cjh [off] dcook they are coming for our sheep.
02:03 dcook [off] Seeing a lot of advertisements online and in cinemas for Australian army jobs. Makes you wonder what they have planned...
01:28 dcook Huzzah
01:28 dac Hmm
01:12 dcook Pretty much
01:11 dcook Bah, I can never remember it..
01:11 rangi jut because it doesnt solve the problem .. no reason to not use it anyway
01:11 rangi just like RDA
01:11 dcook turtles is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
01:11 jcamins Just because she didn't ask the right question was no reason not to go forward with it.
01:11 dcook turtles?
01:11 rangi :)
01:11 jcamins He'd been rehearsing what he was going to say all night!
01:10 jcamins lol
01:10 dcook so true
01:10 dcook mmm
01:10 dcook I like turtles
01:10 dcook LOL
01:10 rangi true
01:10 jcamins This is the problem with doing things with academics. They have all these great references that you do not.
01:10 rangi which only makes sense if you have seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
01:09 jcamins lol
01:09 dcook :P
01:09 rangi http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3vc3os/
01:09 rangi here's what i have to say about that
01:08 jcamins dcook: clearly not _that_ obvious or we wouldn't be dealing with MARC data and RDA.
01:08 dcook jcamins: But is it obvious?
01:08 dcook hehe
01:08 rangi :-)
01:08 rangi you're welcome
01:08 rangi that could be your title
01:08 jcamins But in fact that mostly fails to address any of my real concerns which are swept with "It is obvious that this is important."
01:08 rangi jcamins: Silos are bad, mmmkay
01:07 jcamins Like, there's an argument to be made for this being a crucial starting point: http://semanticpublishing.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/lld6-catalogues-and-linked-data/
01:07 dcook Including links to the much more complex
01:07 dcook But then the basics became the slightly more than basic
01:07 dcook I just wanted to mention the basics
01:06 dcook I wrote up a thing on digital preservation this morning and it spiralled a bit out of control..
01:06 dcook I know, right?
01:06 jcamins The problem is... *one*?
01:06 * dcook would read that
01:06 dcook Oooo
01:05 jcamins I have been asked to share a single article or blog post or the like which encapsulates my thoughts on bibliography and catalogs.
01:04 rangi damn straight
01:04 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011)
01:04 gmcharlt @quote random
00:49 jcamins And, yes.
00:49 jcamins dcook: I think so, yeah.
00:48 dcook Looks like
00:48 dcook D3?
00:47 dcook Started with a D maybe?
00:47 dcook Is that using that JS you showed me the other day?
00:47 dcook hehe, that is pretty cool
00:34 jcamins Also cool, if you haven't seen it: http://linkedjazz.org/network/
00:34 dcook Although as Koha developers, I suppose we don't have much to do with it it except from the dissemination point of view.
00:33 dcook Digital preservation is so interesting...
00:33 jcamins Sure. http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/07/21/silk-road/
00:32 dcook Neato. Post it?
00:32 jcamins Found it. NY Times.
00:16 jcamins Does anyone remember the URL for an HTML5-based map of (I think) the Silk Road that actually allowed you to follow the map and changed the view as you went along?