Time Nick Message 00:16 jcamins Does anyone remember the URL for an HTML5-based map of (I think) the Silk Road that actually allowed you to follow the map and changed the view as you went along? 00:32 jcamins Found it. NY Times. 00:32 dcook Neato. Post it? 00:33 jcamins Sure. http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/07/21/silk-road/ 00:33 dcook Digital preservation is so interesting... 00:34 dcook Although as Koha developers, I suppose we don't have much to do with it it except from the dissemination point of view. 00:34 jcamins Also cool, if you haven't seen it: http://linkedjazz.org/network/ 00:47 dcook hehe, that is pretty cool 00:47 dcook Is that using that JS you showed me the other day? 00:47 dcook Started with a D maybe? 00:48 dcook D3? 00:48 dcook Looks like 00:49 jcamins dcook: I think so, yeah. 00:49 jcamins And, yes. 01:04 gmcharlt @quote random 01:04 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011) 01:04 rangi damn straight 01:05 jcamins I have been asked to share a single article or blog post or the like which encapsulates my thoughts on bibliography and catalogs. 01:06 dcook Oooo 01:06 * dcook would read that 01:06 jcamins The problem is... *one*? 01:06 dcook I know, right? 01:06 dcook I wrote up a thing on digital preservation this morning and it spiralled a bit out of control.. 01:07 dcook I just wanted to mention the basics 01:07 dcook But then the basics became the slightly more than basic 01:07 dcook Including links to the much more complex 01:07 jcamins Like, there's an argument to be made for this being a crucial starting point: http://semanticpublishing.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/lld6-catalogues-and-linked-data/ 01:08 rangi jcamins: Silos are bad, mmmkay 01:08 jcamins But in fact that mostly fails to address any of my real concerns which are swept with "It is obvious that this is important." 01:08 rangi that could be your title 01:08 rangi you're welcome 01:08 rangi :-) 01:08 dcook hehe 01:08 dcook jcamins: But is it obvious? 01:08 jcamins dcook: clearly not _that_ obvious or we wouldn't be dealing with MARC data and RDA. 01:09 rangi here's what i have to say about that 01:09 rangi http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3vc3os/ 01:09 dcook :P 01:09 jcamins lol 01:10 rangi which only makes sense if you have seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y 01:10 jcamins This is the problem with doing things with academics. They have all these great references that you do not. 01:10 rangi true 01:10 dcook LOL 01:10 dcook I like turtles 01:10 dcook mmm 01:10 dcook so true 01:10 jcamins lol 01:11 jcamins He'd been rehearsing what he was going to say all night! 01:11 rangi :) 01:11 dcook turtles? 01:11 jcamins Just because she didn't ask the right question was no reason not to go forward with it. 01:11 dcook turtles is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y 01:11 rangi just like RDA 01:11 rangi jut because it doesnt solve the problem .. no reason to not use it anyway 01:11 dcook Bah, I can never remember it.. 01:12 dcook Pretty much 01:28 dac Hmm 01:28 dcook Huzzah 02:03 dcook [off] Seeing a lot of advertisements online and in cinemas for Australian army jobs. Makes you wonder what they have planned... 02:04 cjh [off] dcook they are coming for our sheep. 02:04 dcook [off] My first thought was invasion of New Zealand :p. 02:05 dcook [off] Or maybe to keep all those pesky foreigners like me. 02:05 dcook [off] keep out* 02:06 cjh [off] dcook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs 02:06 dcook rangi++ 02:06 dcook For 8033 :p 02:16 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS Koha Community Newsletter: July 2013 http://t.co/0ft3Dmfpnx" 02:33 jcamins bug 8033 02:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check 03:12 bag evening all 03:13 gmcharlt hi bag 03:13 bag hey galen 04:21 * dcook grumbles about HTTP::OAI::Harvester 04:23 dcook Or maybe it's the data... 04:23 dcook Probably the data 04:29 bag it's always the data - that's what talljoy says 04:30 dcook If it's not the data, then it's the handler...which is a possibility...but the thing seems to croak as soon as it tries to parse the DC 04:32 dcook Hell, I'd be overjoyed if I could see a "asXML" method somewhere 04:32 dcook Just so I know what I'm looking at 04:33 dcook Or rather...so I could dump it and try parsing it myself 04:35 dcook I'm using some code the author used as an example so maybe I need more error checking but still...:S 04:37 dcook Hmm, I don't think our Koha OAI-PMH server handles "from" and "until" parameters... 04:40 dcook Why do you think the element is empty you bloody parser... 04:40 dcook Wait.. 04:41 dcook Because I'm an idiot 04:41 dcook That's why 04:41 dcook Hmm or not.. 04:41 dcook Damn, I was hoping it was my idiocy.. 04:46 bag :) 04:58 dcook Any folks using ssl for their Koha OPACs? 05:03 kathryn yep 05:03 kathryn :) 05:04 dcook Hmm, I take it you've fixed up your XSLT to use HTTPS with Amazon? 05:04 kathryn but I'm unlikely to be able to answer your next question' 05:04 dcook hehe 05:04 kathryn yeah, pass 05:04 kathryn but it's a clue! 05:04 dcook True true 05:04 kathryn I'll show you one 05:05 dcook Cool. That would be helpful :) 05:05 kathryn https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ 05:05 wahanui https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is probably a research library 05:05 bag we have opac's with SSL but not amazon 05:06 bag usually it ports to SSL when you need to log in 05:06 dcook Hmm 05:06 dcook kathryn: Looks like you guys have the same issue then 05:06 dcook As I'm sure everyone would 05:07 dcook Users should get warning messages in their browser that while the connection is encrypted, they're bringing in unencrypted resources 05:07 dcook Such as the amazon images 05:07 bag hmm is that really an issue? 05:08 kathryn I recall it being ok for, reasons... 05:08 kathryn but things change! 05:09 bag so do the amazon calls come back to the browser or to the server? 05:09 bag never mind I'm tired 05:10 bag I'm heading home I think 05:10 kathryn I'll bring it up with good folks here to check again too, I have to run away - my excuse is WINE! 05:10 dcook Thanks for the help, kathryn :) 05:10 kathryn you're welcome dcook sorry to bail :) 05:10 dcook No worries. There's wine! 05:11 bag THERE IS wine :) 05:11 kathryn night :) and hi cait! 05:11 cait night kathryn :) 05:11 cait and hi #koha 05:13 dcook hey cait :) 05:13 dcook bag: Practically speaking, it might not be much of an issue 05:13 dcook But in theory, I'm sure it could be 05:14 dcook Password sniffing and such should be eliminated due to the SSL, but the calls out to Amazon would be in the clear, so that could be intercepted and something different handled over as if it were from amazon 05:15 dcook Likely to happen? Probably not 05:15 dcook But... 05:27 dcook Oooh...I think I found that method I wanted.. 05:29 dcook Or not... 05:29 * cait can't follow 05:29 * dcook is grumbling about HTTP::OAI::Harvester 05:30 cait oh 05:30 dcook I can retrieve the records but I can't print out any metadata at all 05:30 dcook I can just get the OAI identifier and datestamp, but when I try to get the DC metadata...nada 05:31 dcook It's there...but HTTP::OAI::Harvester doesn't seem to be parsing it as it should...unless I'm missing something painfully obvious 05:31 dcook But this is even using the author's example :/ 05:31 dcook Easy access to OAI Dublincore...right 05:32 dcook Unless... 05:32 wahanui unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either 05:32 dcook Maybe it is my idiocy 05:33 * dcook swears under his breath 05:33 dcook \o/ 05:37 cait figured it out? 05:40 dcook I thought that it was auto-loading the OAI_DC parser 05:40 dcook Because all the examples suggest that it does 05:40 dcook But it seems that it doesn't 05:40 dcook I loaded it, and it worked ;) 05:41 dcook Not that I really want to use the parser most likely 05:41 dcook I think I'll fetch the records, output them as XML objects, store them in the DB (as per Galen's suggestion), then transform them into MARC21 05:55 dcook Too many tabs... 05:55 dcook Drowning in tabs... 06:05 dcook kathryn, bag: Apparently, Amazon images don't come up with https 06:05 dcook So that's probably why it's ok ;) 06:05 dcook Images or total security 06:06 dcook @later tell kathryn That library.plantandfood.co.nz site seems to be missing a few images. I get errors when I load up the search results in the OPAC 06:06 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:08 dcook Hmm, looks like we do respect "from" and "until" in oai-pmh...hmm 06:31 * magnuse waves 06:32 dcook hey ya magnuse :) 06:35 magnuse hiya dcook 06:40 cait bbiab 06:42 dcook Eeeeeee! 06:42 dcook I've finally figured out how to get the metadata out as a string of XML! 06:42 dcook hey ya mtj 06:42 magnuse is that the latest model from asus? 06:42 dcook :p 06:43 dcook Funny thing about asus... 06:43 magnuse kia ora mtj 06:43 dcook My 2010 Eeepc has a RAM slot 06:43 dcook My wife's 2012 Eeepc has the RAM soldered on :S 06:43 magnuse yuk 06:43 dcook I can't get RAM old enough for my machine, and I can't open hers up 06:44 magnuse good for them... nah, not really, in the long run 06:45 magnuse dcook: you have seen bug 6536, right? looks like there is some overlap with your work regarding marc conversion 06:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing (umbrella report) 06:45 mtj heya dcook , magnuse 06:47 dcook magnuse: Yeah, I took a little look, but it doesn't look like Marcel has gotten very far with the XSLT/conversions 06:47 dcook mtj: I was wondering if you were still alive. Haven't seen you around in ages. 06:48 dcook magnuse: Plus, I'm starting to think the conversion won't be the toughest part 06:48 dcook Now...I'm starting to wonder how to harvest in an efficient way 06:48 * magnuse is curious 06:48 dcook It seems crazy to harvest the entire database every time you want to harvest new records 06:48 magnuse yeah, oai-pmh lets you not do that 06:49 dcook How's that? 06:49 magnuse you can ask for records that changed since a given time 06:49 magnuse let me see if i can find something about it 06:49 dcook Yeah, I was wondering about that 06:49 dcook "from" and "until"? 06:49 magnuse yeah, something like that 06:49 dcook I suppose I wonder about the reliability of that 06:50 magnuse there you go: http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestampshttp://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps 06:50 dcook I'm going to look at how Koha forms its datestamp for OAI-PMH 06:50 magnuse oops double paste 06:50 magnuse http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps 06:50 dcook Mmmm 06:50 magnuse "Harvesters may use datestamps to harvest only those records that were created, deleted, or modified within a specified date range. To specify datestamp-based selective harvesting, datestamps are included as values of the optional arguments, from and until, in the ListRecords and ListIdentifiers requests." 06:50 dcook That should work 06:51 mtj dcook, yep - still here!, but have not been chatting on irc much lately 06:51 magnuse "Repositories must support selective harvesting with the from and until arguments expressed at day granularity. Optional support for seconds granularity is indicated in the response to the Identify request." 06:51 dcook magnuse++ 06:51 dcook Oh...seconds, eh? 06:51 dcook Oh right, that's there too 06:51 dcook I guess I would pass the latest datestamp on record to the function each time it runs 06:52 dcook Or not even that.. 06:52 wahanui hmmm... not even that is cold :) 06:52 dcook No, probably that.. 06:52 dcook wahanui: wahanui is a strange duck 06:52 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes... 06:52 dcook wahanui: wahanui is also a strange duck 06:52 wahanui okay, dcook. 06:52 dcook wahanui? 06:52 wahanui dcook? 06:52 dcook wahanui? 06:52 wahanui dcook? 06:52 christophe_c hello #koha 06:52 * dcook scowls 06:52 dcook salut christophe_c :) 06:52 magnuse lol 06:52 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 06:52 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:52 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 19.1°C (8:52 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 06:53 magnuse @wunder boo 06:53 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 06:53 magnuse :-) 06:53 christophe_c bonjour magnuse dcook ;-) 06:53 dcook magnuse: I've successfully harvested oai_dc records from Koha :) 06:53 dcook So I guess the next step is... 06:53 dcook Maybe start with the database work 06:53 dcook I'm going to look at Marcel's bug again 06:53 dcook I don't think its related though 06:54 dcook Oh wait...right.. 06:54 magnuse i was just thinking of the "transform marc" part of 6536 06:54 dcook I see what you're saying 06:54 dcook Yeah, I wonder what Marcel has in mind 06:55 dcook I suppose storing MARC21 and UNIMARC in the import_records table 06:55 dcook So perhaps I could store my oai_dc in there too 06:55 dcook If the transformation happens on import.. 06:55 dcook I suppose my timing is rather bad with all of this :p 06:56 magnuse nah, just have a chat with marcel and make sure you are not duplicating your efforts :-) 06:56 dcook I'll probably want feedback from Galen too as he works on making Koha more metadata independent 06:57 dcook Well, it's nearly 5 anyway 06:57 dcook 4:57pm 06:57 dcook One more day until beer o'clock... 06:59 magnuse :-) 06:59 magnuse friday? 06:59 wahanui friday is pizzaday! 06:59 magnuse yay! 07:04 dcook Mmm pizza 07:04 dcook I can't remember the last time I had pizza.. 07:05 magnuse oh noes?!? 07:07 magnuse bonjour sophie_m1 07:13 magnuse danielg++ for the newsletter 07:13 magnuse srdjan++ for signing off bug 9916 07:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Use DataTables in the OPAC 07:15 dcook papa++ 07:15 dcook Srdjan has been on fire lately 07:15 papa yep, that's me :) 07:16 papa although I cannot really match Kyle 07:16 magnuse ah papa++ then :-) 07:17 magnuse ooh, look: a clean slate: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 07:17 kf hi #koha 07:27 kf GBSD made it to the evergreen mailing list :) 07:27 kf which means we shoudl do another one sometime :) 07:27 kf well.... i interpret it like that 07:30 magnuse yeah, i was just thinking the same thing 07:30 kf god morgen magnuse :) 07:30 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:31 magnuse got a link for the eg mailing list message? 07:36 dcook Time to go home :( 07:36 dcook Wait, that's supposed to be :) 07:36 dcook It's :( because you folks just arrived! 07:36 dcook Don't want to go already.. 07:36 dcook night all! 07:36 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:39 kf poor dcook 07:40 kf always missing out on all the fun the europeans have :) 07:40 kf magnuse: sorry no - i just get the digest 07:40 kf oh or maybe 07:41 kf http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/attachments/20130731/0ad8c19f/attachment.htm 07:43 magnuse yay 07:43 magnuse kf++ 07:43 magnuse so yeah, let's set a date 07:44 kf :) 07:44 magnuse does biblibre still have community days/half days? 07:44 kf not sure 07:44 kf i think it's vacation time in france 07:49 magnuse yeah, probably 07:49 magnuse but should we let that stop us? ;-) 07:50 kf nope 07:55 magnuse so... day of the week? friday? 07:58 kf ok for me 08:00 magnuse so... which friday? not tomorrow. 08:01 magnuse next friday would be august 9th 08:01 magnuse works for me 08:06 kf we have irc meeting on 7th i think 08:07 kf so can advertise there :) 08:07 magnuse true 08:07 magnuse that's settled then? 08:09 gaetan_B hello 08:17 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 08:18 gaetan_B bonjour magnuse, ça va ? 08:19 kf magnuse: no vetos :) 08:20 magnuse gaetan_B: all good 08:20 magnuse next gbsd is friday august 9th 08:21 magnuse next gbsd? 08:21 wahanui i heard next gbsd was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 08:21 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd 08:21 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd 08:21 magnuse next gbsd? 08:21 magnuse next gbsd is friday august 9th 08:21 magnuse next gbsd? 08:21 wahanui rumour has it next gbsd is friday august 9th 08:50 kf yay :) 09:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous venons de traduire la newsletter communautaire Koha en français - http://t.co/Y10rlXbTcw #KohaILS" 09:45 rangi evening 09:46 liw hi, rangi 09:48 kf hi rangi and liw 10:39 * magnuse waves again, after a bip outage 10:42 bigbrovar am having problems getting matching rules in stage marc for import tool to work with koha 3.12 (debian squeeze packages) .. I was sure to do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance before doing the marc import.. yet koha found 0 marc for the ISSN rule even though a manual search of issn included in the marc file to be imported displayed results. 10:43 bigbrovar I did encounter this problem too a while back.. and it took a while before it started working.. thing is I don't even know what I did differently then (just the same thing I had always done) 10:44 bigbrovar I am thinking maybe if I run this koha-rebuild-zebra -f - --usmarc -v instance instead of koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance 11:24 kf wizzyrea++ # for suggesting to add blue berries to the fennel salad 11:31 oleonard Hi #koha 11:33 oleonard Oh no, we're losing our newsletter editor (and Samuel Merritt University I guess) 11:35 jcamins I noticed that. 11:38 magnuse huh? no more koha? 11:39 oleonard No more Koha at Samuel Merritt University 11:39 jcamins magnuse: yep, in the newsletter Daniel says that Samuel Merritt is dropping Koha next year. 11:39 oleonard It would be instructive to know why 11:39 magnuse ouch! 11:41 magnuse (guess i forgot to actually read the newsletter...) 11:41 oleonard I always read the newsletter to find out what fashions the Koha celebs are wearing this season 11:47 magnuse oleonard: lol 11:55 oleonard I don't understand Bug 10656... My shelving locations are correctly sorted by description. The SQL in GetAuthorisedValues says "ORDER BY category, lib, lib_opac" 11:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10656 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelving locations not alpha on search 11:55 oleonard I wonder if in those examples lib is different than lib_opac, causing weird sorting? 11:56 oleonard Since GetAuthorisedValues gets an $opac parameter I guess we could change the sort based on that 11:57 tcohen morning kf 11:58 oleonard nengard: Could you check the authorized values for the examples you posted on Bug 10656? 11:58 nengard checking 11:58 tcohen who's working on bug 10663? 11:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals 12:00 nengard oleonard, on the one there is a space in the label! :) 12:00 nengard checking another 12:02 nengard the other one has codes in the description and friendly text in the lib_opac 12:02 nengard soooo .... 12:02 kf tcohen: kind of me.... but not really right now 12:02 nengard shouldn't the opac sort by lib_opac? 12:02 nengard instead of description 12:02 nengard or lib 12:02 kf tcohen: i could provide you with a couple of unit tests i wrote... until i reached the conclusion in the last comment 12:03 oleonard nengard: I would say in the opac it should sort by lib_opac. I just wanted to confirm that that was what was causing your particular sort issue. 12:03 nengard cool 12:03 nengard will update the bug 12:04 kf tcohen: and sorry - in a meeting in a minute 12:04 tcohen good luck kf 12:05 magnuse have fun kf 12:08 kf thx 13:19 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS Newsletter Koha Communautaire Volume 4 Issue 7 : Juillet 2013 http://t.co/VcmvWROpR1" 13:23 kf back 13:24 oleonard We're all back! 13:24 * oleonard enjoyed the ride 13:24 Dyrcona Yeah, looks like OFTC.net had a little hiccup. 13:25 * druthb gets out the velcro 13:31 oleonard We're probably overloading OFTC by talking too much. 13:31 druthb :P 13:46 cwust hellow every one! 13:48 kf hi cwust 13:48 cwust Hi kf 13:49 cwust I have problem whit koha 13:49 cwust can you help me? 13:50 kf it depends on the question 13:53 cwust ok, When I edit a partner I have a message "You don't have permisson for do it" 13:56 cwust and my user setting is: catalogue and borrowers (Add or modify borrowers) 13:57 jcamins Do you have IndependantBranches turned on? If you have IndependantBranches turned on and the patron is from a different library, you won't be able to edit it. 13:57 cwust but the change is done 13:58 jcamins Oh. So it's just an incorrect error message display. 13:58 jcamins What version? 13:58 wahanui hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top 13:58 cwust 3.12.03 14:01 cwust I can editing the atributes if I click in each link edit 14:01 cwust but not in the button edit 14:02 jcamins Hm. It works for me, so it must be a configuration. 14:02 jcamins I'm out of ideas, sorry. 14:02 jcamins Someone else might have some suggestions. 14:02 cwust what can I do for solved this problem? 14:03 jcamins The first thing I'd do is see if there is a problem for superlibrarian users. 14:03 cwust One more thing 14:04 jcamins Then I'd either e-mail the list or look through the manual to see if there are any system preferences that could cause the behavior you're seeing. 14:05 cwust The edit button works for the user superlibrarian 14:05 jcamins Okay, that is a good clue. I would suspect that there is probably a system preference to disable editing other branches' patrons, but I don't know what it is. 14:06 cwust and don't work when restrict the permission 14:08 cwust Ok, Bueno, gracias por la ayuda sigo con las pruebas 14:08 cwust sorry 14:08 cwust thanks for the help with testing still 14:20 jcamins [off] Wow, that must be quite a workshop to require a designated driver for each attendee. 14:22 rambutan That's the reality of "overseas" I think. In Thailand, they have 1-4 "busboys" to clean the tables. Very helpful service. Reflects the cost of labor presumably. 14:22 rambutan to clean tables in McDonalds, I should have said 14:23 jcamins I suspect the abbreviation may mean something else in this context. 14:25 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "OSCON Keynote: Start With Freedom http://t.co/2NjwlE710o #KohaILS" 14:26 rambutan [off]ah, you mean "DD" of course. I didn't catch that immediately 14:47 tcohen anyone from tamil? 14:51 kf tcohen: i think that's only fredericd 14:51 kf haven't seen him talking here in a while 14:52 tcohen thanks kf 15:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 15:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #1343 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 7 days 1 hr ago) 15:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82e1a1c1b39eb497a0ecf8742b2c1b272439b2b6> / Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9d8a8424dcd62988293920f7c67f7d0a01efc70> / Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a 15:37 oleonard jcamins: Around? I'm looking at Bug 10404 15:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10404 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add previous/next browsing to staff client search results 15:37 jcamins oleonard: great! 15:37 jcamins And, yes, for another hour or so. 15:37 jcamins Thoughts? 15:37 oleonard It looks good and works well. I've got a couple of questions about the implementation 15:38 jcamins Hooray! I've also asked some folks with Windows to test it on every browser they can find. 15:38 jcamins What questions? 15:38 oleonard I would have put browser.js in intranet-tmpl/js rather than intranet-tmpl/lib/koha because in the past lib has been the place for 3rd-party libraries 15:39 jcamins We can certainly do that. 15:39 jcamins I didn't see a js directory, so I put it in the lib directory. 15:39 oleonard Not sure if that distinction is useful going forward, it's just they way I've understood it. 15:39 oleonard Yeah we don't have one yet outside the theme directory 15:41 oleonard There is some commented-out code in results.tt, [% dumper.dump(SEARCH_RESULTS) %] 15:41 oleonard Is that useful? 15:41 jcamins No. 15:41 jcamins I can remove that. 15:41 oleonard I haven't looked at the code carefully yet. What is that JavaScript doing on the results page? 15:41 jcamins It is recording the search results. 15:42 jcamins The paging is done 98% client-side. 15:44 oleonard Would it be hard to add a title attribute to the "previous" and "next" links with the corresponding titles? 15:44 jcamins Yes. 15:44 oleonard :( 15:44 jcamins That would fail on any browser other than Chrome. 15:46 jcamins If I were to use localstorage instead of cookies, that would work, but it would also reduce compatibility. 15:46 oleonard Well it's certainly not a deal-breaker. 15:46 jcamins http://caniuse.com/namevalue-storage 15:46 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #22: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/22/ 15:46 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm 15:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions 15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests 15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 15:47 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 15:48 oleonard Hi JoeLib001 15:48 JoeLib001 Is there a way I can map an aquisition for orders field to the marc record? 15:49 JoeLib001 I am specifically talking about the Koha Link field in the MARC Structure / Advanced Contraints section. 15:51 JoeLib001 I would be wanting to link the aqorders.budget_id field to a specific 900 field / subfield. 15:51 jcamins JoeLib001: I don't think so, but I'd love to be proven wrong. 15:51 JoeLib001 :-) 15:52 JoeLib001 I was afraid that was the anser. XD 15:52 JoeLib001 *answer 16:05 oleonard jcamins: Have you ever worked with a JavaScript template system? 16:05 jcamins oleonard: what do you mean? 16:05 oleonard moustache, handlebars, etc. 16:05 jcamins Ah. 16:05 jcamins Yes. 16:05 jcamins I'm using handlebars. 16:06 jcamins I like it. 16:06 jcamins I started with mustache, but I didn't like it so much. 16:06 jcamins I found it a little over-magical. 16:06 oleonard I have not, but I often wonder if Koha would benefit from something like it 16:06 oleonard Looking at browser.js made me think of it 16:06 bigbrovar I can't seem to get issn matching rule to work using marc stage import.. it keeps telling me 0 match found even though the issn exist in the records and can be searched from opac and staff client 16:06 jcamins oleonard: https://github.com/biblionarrator/biblionarrator/tree/master/views 16:07 bigbrovar am using the debian squeeze packages for koha 3.12 16:08 jcamins bigbrovar: you're trying to match against records already in the database, right? 16:08 bigbrovar jcamins: yes so that I can add items to the records 16:08 jcamins oleonard: I quite like handlebars, but I'm not sure how much it would help in Koha. 16:08 jcamins bigbrovar: darn. That would've been an easy solution. 16:08 bigbrovar using issn as a match 16:09 oleonard jcamins: I don't understand it well enough to know 16:09 bigbrovar jcamins: :) but so far koha keeps telling me 0 match using the issn rule.. 16:10 jcamins oleonard: the problem as I see it would be breaking the templates up enough that we could make use of partials for client-side rendering. 16:11 bigbrovar from my little experience with the marc stage upload tool.. the matching rule is a 50%.. I had similar issues with isbn rules before it started working (didn't even do anything differently) and then when it worked.. I had to import in batches cus it only did part of the first batch and ignored the rest when it should have done a match of all the items.. 16:12 bigbrovar maybe I should do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f --u usmarc -v instance instead of a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance ? 16:13 jcamins bigbrovar: that is very unlikely to fix it. 16:13 jcamins However, you can try (but disable the incremental cronjob!). 16:14 bigbrovar jcamins: incremental cronjob? 16:14 jcamins [off] oleonard: http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com:3000/search?q=Discussion 16:14 jcamins bigbrovar: right, because it uses xml. 16:14 JoeLib001 Would one just be able to add aqorders to the kohafield tables in the /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl? 16:15 bigbrovar jcamins: have u ever had issues with the matching rule before? any advise/idea how I can troubleshoot or what I could be doing wrong? 16:18 jcamins JoeLib001: I suspect it would just result in a mess, but I could be wrong. 16:18 jcamins bigbrovar: when the matching rules have failed for me, it's because I had a bad rule. 16:20 bigbrovar jcamins: am using the default rule.. maybe I should check it if anything is amiss 16:20 kf JoeLib001: what are you trying to achieve? 16:20 jcamins I've never used the built-in rule, so it could be that it doesn't work. Perhaps someone else can shed light on that. 16:21 kf bigbrovar: could it be something like hyphens/no hyphens in your isbn? 16:21 kf i haven't read all so i might be totally off 16:21 jcamins oleonard: the searches are rendered client-side, particularly if you click the knowledge trail maps on the right. 16:22 oleonard Very cool jcamins 16:22 jcamins But achieving similar results with Koha would require a lot of template restructuring. 16:23 JoeLib001 kf: I am trying to link a marc subfield to a koha aqorders field. That way I don't have to type something that Koha already knows about. 16:23 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/23/ 16:23 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl 16:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl 16:23 kf JoeLib001: first question? ;) 16:24 kf first question? 16:24 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 16:24 JoeLib001 kf: I thought I had successfully convinced our cataloger that they didn't need a random 945 line with certain information, but alas. :-) 16:24 kf ah catalogers... 16:24 kf well the information is in acq... so why store it again in the marc record? 16:24 JoeLib001 kf: That was my first suggestion. XD 16:25 kf I was wondering about the use case/workflow 16:25 kf the problem is such linking wouldn't work at all for some libraries like ours 16:25 kf we are updating the data nightly from a union catalog... so those data would be overwritten all the time 16:25 kf so it's nothing we ever looked into 16:25 JoeLib001 kf: We are currently only using Koha for Journals and Acquisitions. The books get cataloged on a different system, but they import my records from Koha. XD 16:26 kf ah 16:26 kf hm ok, that makes sense... 16:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1343: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1343/ 16:27 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm 16:27 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions 16:27 JoeLib001 kf: I think the main issue is that they don't want to give up a system that has been setup for the last 50 years .... 16:27 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl 16:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests 16:27 kf JoeLib001: hm what is the other system used for except for cataloguing? 16:27 kf opac? 16:27 wahanui i guess opac is for patrons 16:28 JoeLib001 kf: Yes. 16:28 kf hm 16:28 kf koha has a nice opac actually... :) 16:28 JoeLib001 kf: The other system is used for Cataloging/Circulation/Opac, etc. 16:29 JoeLib001 kf: Yeah, I have been hinting that we should just make the switch. I don't have enough people on my side though. XD 16:30 kf i see the problem, but i think it's currently not possible to do what they want 16:30 JoeLib001 kf: Well, that's what I want. They want me to enter the information manually. XD 16:31 jcamins JoeLib001: write a script to do it in a batch once a week? 16:31 JoeLib001 I doing a Koha install on a Virtual Machine and I am going to see, if I can't hack it into existence. xD 16:32 JoeLib001 jcamins: That might be a good alternative. 16:32 jcamins [off] Honestly, in your situation I would probably tell them to go back to using MS Excel for journals, because it's not worth their time or yours to try and break Koha to be more like a 50yo system. 16:33 jcamins [off] In fact, I'm off to give that very speech right now. Bye! 16:33 JoeLib001 Good luck. :-) 16:34 JoeLib001 The problem isn't with the Journals. It's with the records for books that I put into the Acquisitions system. 17:16 gaetan_B bye! 18:36 drojf good evening #koha 18:47 cait hi drojf 18:47 oleonard Hi cait and drojf 18:48 cait hi oleonard :) 18:48 drojf hi cait and oleonard 18:48 drojf what did i miss? i don't want to read the log, i bet it's confusing 18:48 cait heh 18:48 cait not much 18:49 drojf our newsletterman moves _away_ from koha? that's a weird direction that i only ever heard of in context of liblime ^^ 18:50 cait I don't know details 18:50 cait i could imagine it was not his choice to make 18:54 nengard it wasn't his choice 18:54 oleonard Do you know some gossip nengard? 18:55 * nengard knows everything about koha ;) hehe 18:55 nengard all i can say is it wasn't his choice 18:55 drojf uh. they sponsored course reserves and hourly loans. woudln't now be the time to harvest the crops? 18:55 cait :( 18:55 cait that's really sad then 18:55 cait i didn't knwo they did 18:56 nengard they did do that 18:56 nengard and i do agree of course with you all 18:56 drojf i blame weird management choices 18:56 nengard you'd be safe in doing so :) 19:00 drojf nengard: i suppose you can't tell us what they are moving to? 19:00 * drojf is not a curious person ;) 19:00 nengard not my place 19:00 nengard sorry 19:01 drojf i thought so, had to ask anyway ;) 19:03 cait and there i thought only i was so curious... :) 19:03 nengard we're all curious 19:03 nengard it's our nature 19:04 cait makes a good geek? :) 19:04 drojf and kills cats 19:05 drojf the good news is, a cat cafe just opened in my part of berlin :D 19:06 cait ? 19:06 jcamins drojf: cat kebab? 19:06 drojf http://www.berlin.de/aktuelles/berlin/3145540-958092-katzencafe-oeffnet-in-neukoelln.html 19:07 drojf i guess it will turn into cat kebab once they are older ;) 19:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #344 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #344: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/344/ 19:43 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update images for framework subfields 20:01 * oleonard is being a busy-body to everyone's patches today 20:01 rangi excellent 20:03 cait morning rangi 20:03 cait oleonard++ :) 20:06 oleonard I'm so used to correcting merge errors in patches with database updates that when I don't get them I forget to run the database update. 20:07 cait lol 20:07 rangi heh 20:11 rangi ah ha 20:11 rangi it becomes clear 20:11 rangi check the latest message to the list 20:11 jcamins Heh. 20:12 rangi we have dueling dvd's 20:12 rangi and it appears the important thing is to be recognised, not do security updates 20:12 rangi this other guy is winning in my book 20:12 rangi one sends a mail about not being on the about page 20:12 * jcamins pictures two DVDs rolling back 10 paces. 20:13 rangi the other one updates the security release 20:13 rangi i know which one id pick 20:13 * cait nods 20:14 jcamins [off] Yeah, I was kind of insulted by the message this author sent asking to be paid for the LiveDVDs he had been preparing for free "as a service to you," or whatever he said, but he does seem to understand that he's making a commitment by saying that. 20:19 drojf [off] so who is going to accidentally put his name as koha 3.12 live dvd manager on the about page? :P 20:19 drojf [off] nothing bad about a little competition ^^ 20:19 jcamins [off] If only they were competing to provide something that was a good idea. 20:20 drojf [off] that is a litte much to ask maybe? :P 20:50 drojf good night #koha 20:53 JoeLib001 [off] Meaning off topic discussion? 20:55 magnuse JoeLib001: [off] keeps thing out of the logs :-) 20:57 JoeLib001 That is awesome. :-) 20:58 magnuse logs? 20:58 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 21:59 rangi https://github.com/micha/resty 23:20 pianohacker Yo, #koha. A couple years ago, I snuck transparent messages into the new sysprefs editor (to display errors and "saved" notifications) 23:20 pianohacker Anyone have an opinion of them, positive or negative? 23:21 jcamins pianohacker: use FF if you're having trouble under Chrome. 23:21 jcamins Oh. 23:21 jcamins Different question. 23:21 jcamins I like them. 23:21 jcamins Other than the fact that they don't always work under Chrome. 23:22 pianohacker jcamins: Good to hear. I'll have to poke at that code while I'm using them, to see if I can fix that problem 23:22 pianohacker Do you have steps to reproduce? 23:22 jcamins I did, but did I report a bug? That's the big question. 23:23 jcamins Apparently not. 23:23 jcamins Drat. 23:24 wizzyrea I like them, I think 23:24 pianohacker Hold on, let me check my notes. The big green button makes rangi say "write a unit test!", where's the other one... 23:24 pianohacker ah! 23:24 jcamins It has to do with the setTimeout for the fadeout getting out of sync. 23:24 * pianohacker presses the "<gmcharlt> file a bug" button 23:24 wizzyrea I don't like the "pasting doesn't always tell the entry box you've put stuff in" but again, there's probably not a bug for that. 23:24 wizzyrea be rangi 23:24 wahanui There's a bug for that 23:24 pianohacker hahahaha 23:24 wizzyrea be rangi 23:24 wahanui Send a patch! 23:24 wizzyrea there it is 23:25 jcamins wizzyrea: that's separate, I think. 23:25 pianohacker jcamins: interesting. Out of sync how? 23:26 jcamins pianohacker: it won't hide, but then when you click save again, it'll hide the new one immediately after it displays. 23:26 pianohacker ah, yeah, that's definitely a bug 23:28 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nzKoha: "NZ #KohaILS users grp 21 Nov Auck at https://t.co/LmdFUc4xci register interest with jannie dot win at plantandfood dot co dot nz" 23:31 wizzyrea ymca? 23:31 wahanui \ ^o^ /o/ /o\ 23:32 pianohacker jcamins: bug 10673 23:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10673 minor, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Message hide timeout can go out of sync in preferences.pl 23:33 pianohacker wizzyrea: bug 10674 23:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , System preferences not marked as modified after paste 23:33 wizzyrea aww yay! 23:33 jcamins pianohacker: if I figure out what I did to reproduce it I'll put it on the bug. 23:33 pianohacker jcamins: Cool, thanks 23:33 pianohacker I want to get those fixed at some point, but it may not be soon, so I wanted a record of them :) 23:34 wizzyrea \o/ 23:37 dcook morning #Koha 23:40 BobB morning dcook 23:41 dcook Hey BobB 23:41 BobB :) 23:41 dcook How goes your Friday morning? 23:42 BobB pretty busy, still working on yesterday's list :) 23:44 dcook I hear that. 23:48 dcook Just read the newsletter. Migrating away from Koha? :( 23:56 BobB LL customer 23:58 dcook Mmm