Time Nick Message
23:38 pianohacker bye dcook
23:38 dcook have a good one
23:38 dcook night pianohacker
23:38 dcook New Zealanders are made of tough stuff (even if they don't feel many of them)
23:38 pianohacker Good night, all
23:37 jcamins I have experienced two earthquakes. One in Kabul, when everyone just assumed it was an explosion, and one in New York from a quake down in VA. Other than that, I've managed to avoid them. I don't think I'd like 20k/year.
23:36 dcook Maybe I'm just used to having sea legs...
23:36 dcook Even though the innards of buildings around me were apparently shaken quite badly O_o
23:36 dcook Apparently, I was in a few in Vancouver but I never felt any of those either
23:35 dcook Yeah, most of those look pretty small
23:35 rangi but you dont feel most of them
23:35 rangi we get like 20k a year
23:35 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/statistics
23:35 jcamins Yikes.
23:34 dcook Wind/rain storms, earthquakes, what else is going on
23:34 rangi months
23:34 dcook rangi: Any idea about how long the quakes are supposed to continue?
23:33 dcook The project manager actually looks quite competent
23:33 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
23:33 jcamins we should use more marc
23:33 jcamins Because I was just thinking...
23:33 dcook :p
23:33 jcamins Are they going to convert everything to MARC?
23:33 rangi bouncy bouncy
23:32 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2013p572878
23:32 dcook Apparently, Australia is going to (or already has) changed legal deposit to include digital items O_O
23:32 dcook Just started reading about digital preservation by the NSLA: http://www.nsla.org.au/projects/digital-preservation
23:27 dcook morning #koha
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21:42 drojf [off] log people are going to love this
21:42 drojf i'd like power meter cover images!
21:40 drojf [off] yay, let's browse the power meter shelf
21:40 cait [off] http://corona.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=137517 :)
21:39 jcamins [off] Excellent!
21:39 drojf [off] it is for me and i read it live ;)
21:39 jcamins [off] And now it's _really_ confusing.
21:39 drojf [off] the guy entering the patch signed off on it. i also do not see any QA. i vote for reverting :P
21:39 jcamins And that's why you should always avoid buying gouda on Sundays.
21:38 drojf sweet
21:38 drojf rofl
21:37 tcohen dedicated to drojf
21:37 tcohen heheh
21:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10669 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page
21:37 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10669 - LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page
21:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #77: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/77/
21:36 jcamins [off] Just making the logs more weird.
21:36 jcamins Hehe.
21:33 cait [off] only then? :)
21:28 drojf [off] just for the fun of it i'd like to come up with a killer feature that does not work with dvds for some reason. i'm a bad person when i do not get enough sleep.
21:26 drojf [off] and i give up on orthography for today
21:26 drojf [off] and it has a special web page or something! and some india-related custumizations
21:25 drojf [off] jcamins come on, he invested all that time hand crafting that software he did not work on into a dvd
21:24 drojf [off] lol i should go to bed
21:24 drojf [off] err. couldn't resist similing when came out…
21:23 jcamins [off] Nope, the guy who released the LiveDVD is the one who sent out the e-mail saying "please pay me for the LiveDVD I made for you."
21:23 drojf [off] i couldn't restist smiling in that last livedvd release like a day before the security release. nice way to point out the immediate out-of-date-ness of those things
21:22 tcohen [off] so is not the same guy? hahahaaha
21:22 tcohen oh
21:22 drojf [off] oops. confusing the log readers
21:21 drojf livedvd business is complicated ;)
21:21 drojf [off] that is some other guy
21:21 tcohen [off] he's just released a livedvd, right?
21:19 drojf [off] yeah, like never after we voted maybe? i see a pattern there…
21:19 jcamins [off] He showed up on IRC a few times. But not in months.
21:18 drojf [off] if we are lucky the next one will just never show up. i don't think he did so far?
21:18 cait [off] there is already a next time we can drop it
21:18 jcamins Well, the minified JS doesn't not work, so I think I don't care that IE8 appears to go into paroxysms of quirkiness.
21:17 drojf *already
21:16 drojf [off] i'd vote for dropping the position of livedvd manager completely ASAP but unfortunately we alredy got the next one. who has about the same community connections as the last one if i am not mistaken
21:16 jcamins Wait... this is IE8.
21:15 tcohen [off] agreed drojf
21:14 tcohen hi bgkriegel
21:14 bgkriegel Hi!
21:10 drojf [off] tcohen: somebody claiming to be the manager of something koha related should be able to at least find the bug tracker of the software he claims to be managing some part of. if not provide a patch entering one string (his own name) into one page. but that may just be my personal unfriendliness.
20:59 tcohen don't waste cpu cycles jenkins_koha
20:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #77 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:52 cait hmmm
20:51 jcamins At some point I'll put up site maps.
20:51 cait tcohen: i think soe have, we don't afaik
20:50 tcohen google likes to hammer our servers, i noticed during the upgrade (new server, no robots.txt)
20:50 jcamins I do.
20:50 tcohen do u people have robots.txt on your koha sites?
20:50 cait tcohen++
20:49 tcohen [off] i know, heh
20:49 jcamins [off] It's a hard one to conquer.
20:48 tcohen [off] i'll talk with my shrink about my compulsive need to be kind to people bothering me
20:48 cait [off] I'd told him to send a patch ;)
20:47 jcamins [off] I was looking for the "jcamins is irascible so submit good patches." That's your solution to being bugged about stupid things. Be so irascible no one wants to speak with you. :)
20:46 tcohen [off] the former 3.12 livecd manager wasn't mentioned in about.tt
20:46 jcamins Someone's been playing with what wahanui knows about me.
20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is a spoilsport
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui i guess jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui ask him about serials and/or acquisitions.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was the best cookie-chef in #koha.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
20:46 jcamins jcamins?
20:45 cait [off] ugh?
20:45 tcohen [off] looks like flooding this rmaint works for some people
20:43 tcohen i'm mentioning vimal (livecd manager)
20:43 tcohen </rmaint rant>
20:43 jcamins *It's
20:43 jcamins IT's the workflow.
20:43 cait might be you have to set another status first - rangi can change it i think
20:43 jcamins tcohen: you have to go through Pushed to master first.
20:43 cait some status are linked together
20:42 tcohen why can't i just mark as pushed to stable?
20:42 * cait needs to qa something
20:42 tcohen i need to push a trivial string patch,
20:41 cait so what's the trick?
20:41 cait :)
20:40 jcamins Huh.
20:40 wahanui sleep is an addiction that can be cured!
20:40 jcamins sleep?
20:40 wahanui somebody said sleep was an addiction that can be cured!
20:40 jcamins sleep?
20:27 tcohen you're right jcamins, I pushed some typo patches for that work, for release 3.12.1
20:22 jcamins Yes, it was down to the wire, but I think that was the last patch I pushed prior to string freeze.
20:22 tcohen we are live using 3.12 and happy, had some weirdness related to extended patron attributes
20:22 cait brb
20:22 cait i think it went into 3.12
20:22 cait i think so
20:21 tcohen is that work on 3.12.3 already cait?
20:21 cait :)
20:21 cait hi tcohen :=
20:21 tcohen hi cait
20:16 cait i think bgkriegel fixed it
20:16 cait yes
20:15 pianohacker Have any efforts been made towards fixing that?
20:15 pianohacker you mentioned that the XML data for the new cataloging plugins had some issues with translation
20:14 cait hm?
20:14 pianohacker I had a quick q for ya actually
20:13 pianohacker yo cait :)
20:11 cait hi #koha
19:59 * oleonard tiptoes out
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19:07 pianohacker What? It's like their bidi display engine is rand()%2
19:06 jcamins pianohacker: I think this browser has not read MSDN enough: http://screencast.com/t/i8m0Ze8nSC
19:02 jcamins To the extent that anything works, at least.
19:01 jcamins But my paging works in IE.
19:01 jcamins Man, that's dreadful.
18:57 jcamins IE's rendering is the Weirdest Ever.
18:57 jcamins Wow, wow, wow, wow. This is impressive. Truly.
18:55 drojf no, thanks ;)
18:54 pianohacker if you read enough MSDN, sure
18:54 drojf ?
18:54 drojf pianohacker: there is an IE that is not generally some weird compatibility quirks mode
18:50 jcamins drojf: yeah, that's what I found.
18:50 jcamins pianohacker: no, I am, I just get annoyed by them, every time.
18:49 drojf http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5339232/json-is-undefined-error-in-javascript-in-internet-explorer#5339285 ?!
18:49 pianohacker You aren't dealing with some weird compatibility or quirks mode, are you?
18:48 jcamins There is no JSON object.
18:48 pianohacker use XML! It'll inflate your code for no real benefits, but XML!
18:48 jcamins drojf: and, not at all.
18:47 drojf then use a microsoft approved data format :P
18:47 jcamins drojf: I don't want there to be an error if someone tries to use IE despite having been told not to.
18:46 drojf ;)
18:46 drojf there is probably some "superior" windows data format around i never heard of? ;=
18:46 drojf so, why do you use it? and… really, like "not at all"?
18:45 * drojf does not support IE
18:43 jcamins drojf: IE doesn't support JSON.
18:42 drojf what the fun is going on here? hi #koha
18:42 jcamins wtf?
18:42 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
18:41 jcamins wtf?
18:41 jcamins JSON is undefined?
18:40 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #268 added.
18:40 gmcharlt @quote add <jcamins> windows-- <jcamins> ie-- <oleonard> You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins
18:39 jcamins Wow wow wow wow.
18:39 gmcharlt oleonard++
18:39 jcamins This is the latter.
18:38 jcamins There's "broken" and then there's "BROKEN."
18:38 oleonard You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins
18:38 jcamins Oh, wow.
18:37 jcamins ie--
18:37 jcamins windows--
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18:24 huginn` tcohen: kf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <kf> bye all :)
18:24 tcohen @seen kf
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16:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9223 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Multiple values of AdvancedSearchTypes in suggestions
16:55 oleonard So, Bug 9223 partially resurrected, but still needs work.
15:51 jcamins Okay, that worked.
15:25 tcohen we are online! YAY
15:24 tcohen and...
15:23 tcohen 1
15:23 tcohen 2
15:23 tcohen 3
15:23 tcohen UNC rebooting (IP change) to go live using 3.12 in
15:22 tcohen heh
15:04 gmcharlt heh
15:04 jcamins gmcharlt: and you know what's really terrible? I've just been told that script isn't working for a user, so I'm about to go through that again!
15:01 huginn` 04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz
15:01 gmcharlt ;)
15:01 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm not sure http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473#c89 has nearly enough signoffs
15:00 wahanui git-bz test bug is bug 6473
15:00 gmcharlt git-bz test bug?
15:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz
15:00 wahanui OK, gmcharlt.
15:00 gmcharlt wahanui: git-bz test bug is bug 6473
14:59 gmcharlt ...
14:59 gmcharlt git-bz test bug?
14:59 * oleonard will have to put the git bz test bug to use
14:58 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt
14:57 gmcharlt adjust the number of ^ for how far back you want to go
14:56 gmcharlt git bz attach -e 1234 HEAD^^^^..HEAD
14:56 gmcharlt oleonard: yes
14:56 jcamins oleonard: I don't know how to.
14:55 oleonard Can you git-bz attach multiple patches at once?
14:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10519 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken
14:27 * oleonard finds Bug 10519
14:25 oleonard Should one wait to mark a bug 'fixed' until it has been pushed to 3.10.x? 3.8.x?
14:13 gmcharlt oleonard: indeed; IIRC, cait has been poking at it
14:10 oleonard If I "organize by 'managed by'" I get *two* tabs labeled "unknown!"
14:09 oleonard If I choose to "organize by library," why do I get one tab labeled "unknown" ?
14:08 oleonard At leats they would all be in once place and you wouldn't have to wonder whether you hadn't chosen the right filter option
14:07 jcamins oleonard: would that help?
14:06 oleonard We should get rid of ALL the organize/filter options altogether and put them all in one big table
14:06 oleonard Ugh, suggestions are SUCH A MESS
13:47 tcohen 50% done :-D
13:40 kf bye all :)
13:27 wahanui chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well
13:27 kf chances..
13:24 mmm45 thank you so much.....i will keep looking
13:23 kf but i see that the changes are low.
13:23 kf jcamins: was more thinking about bribing you...
13:23 mmm45 that might be part of it
13:23 oleonard mmm45: opacUserCSS system pref maybe?
13:22 mmm45 do i need to add anything under opaclayoutstylesheet?
13:22 jcamins If it's not there, then, yeah, I have no idea where to look.
13:21 jcamins mmm45: if you didn't hand-build your packages, I'd guess it's probably customized in the usual way, through the database.
13:21 mmm45 or basically everywhere?
13:21 mmm45 look at opac.css?
13:21 mmm45 it was already like this when i took the job
13:21 jcamins kf: ooh, yes. Have an amazing and subtle rosemary sugar cookie.
13:21 mmm45 i'm not sure where the custom code was done....to be very honest
13:21 kf jcamins: cookie? :)
13:20 jcamins I'd remove it all and start from a clean slate.
13:19 mmm45 so, find the custom and just start messing with it?
13:19 oleonard mmm45: I agree. It looks like an issue with your custom CSS.
13:19 ebegin good morning / afternoon / night #koha ;)
13:19 jcamins mmm45: in my experience, you have to redo all your custom CSS/JS when switching between the two.
13:18 mmm45 and just catalog is on prog
13:18 mmm45 catalog-dev is on ccsr
13:18 mmm45 right now i am messing with the testing site
13:18 mmm45 as compared to catalog.uttyler.edu
13:18 mmm45 catalog-dev.uttyler.edu
13:17 mmm45 are there any other changes in the pref that i need to do?
13:17 oleonard mmm45: Is your opac public? Can we look?
13:17 mmm45 yes, i have done that
13:16 mmm45 i did set opaccolor to colors.css
13:16 oleonard opaccolorstylesheet system preference, that is.
13:16 oleonard mmm45: Have you tried clearing your browser cache? Did you set the opaccolorstylesheet to "colors.css" ?
13:16 mmm45 i think there is some custom
13:16 jcamins mmm45: do you have custom CSS?
13:16 mmm45 i am on version 3.12.2
13:16 mmm45 the regular browser looks very weird and not very nice on the phone either
13:15 mmm45 once i change opacthemes from prog to ccsr
13:15 jcamins And this is not what you want anyway.
13:15 kf this gets out of scope
13:15 kf i see
13:15 kf *sigh*
13:15 jcamins No.
13:15 kf do we already use that?
13:15 jcamins CGI::Test?
13:15 jcamins I will check.
13:15 jcamins Maybe there's a Test::CGI.
13:15 mmm45 i have some questions regarding ccsr and the mobile
13:14 wahanui que tal, mmm45
13:14 mmm45 hello
13:12 kf because then i have no idea how to start. hm.
13:12 kf that's bad
13:12 oleonard Do not taunt the cgi object!
13:12 jcamins Nope.
13:12 jcamins Create a CGI object, set the relevant params, and pass it in.
13:12 kf do we have an example somewhere?
13:12 jcamins You can mock the cgi object.
13:11 kf i am stumbling on the cgi-param...
13:11 kf is there a way to do it?
13:11 jcamins kf++
13:11 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/ILSDI/Services.pm#l307
13:11 kf i am trying to write a unit test for AuthenticatePatron
13:10 jcamins What's up?
13:10 jcamins Until my breakfast finishes heating.
13:10 jcamins Vaguely.
13:10 kf jcamins: around?
13:10 kf today fighting with ils-di
13:07 oleonard You still fighting with holds today kf?
12:41 kf well getreservestatus is, should not be used to check for reserved,
12:41 kf it's not fixable for title level holds i think
12:41 kf not really
12:40 tcohen oh. you provided a fix
12:38 kf aah lucky :)
12:38 tcohen and, we don't use holds (yet)
12:38 kf no holds?
12:38 tcohen closed academic libraries
12:37 tcohen all waiting for me to finish
12:37 tcohen its 38 instances
12:37 kf ;)
12:37 kf glad to hear you will fix it
12:37 tcohen nothing will stop ths move right now
12:37 tcohen i didn't, but i'll fix it then :-P
12:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
12:37 kf you know about bug 10663?
12:36 kf hm
12:36 tcohen i'm doing the 3.8 > 3.12 upgrade right now :-D
12:36 tcohen hi kf,
12:35 kf good morning tcohen
12:35 tcohen morning #koha
12:27 magnuse hiya oleonard
12:26 kf hi oleonard :)
12:26 oleonard Hi #koha
11:55 * magnuse waves too
11:47 * jwagner waves back so kf won't feel lonely....
11:42 * kf waves
08:06 rangi heh
08:03 * kf offers cookies
08:02 rangi how dare this software i have contributed nothing to behave in a way other than exactly how i like it, i demand you fix it for free right now
08:02 rangi aka
07:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
07:59 rangi bug 8033
07:41 christophe_c hi kf ;-)
07:41 kf hi magnuse, matts and christophe_c
07:37 christophe_c bonjour magnuse
07:37 matts hi !
07:33 magnuse bonjour kf et christophe_c
07:28 kf good morning #koha
07:24 christophe_c hello #koha
07:22 dcook Always, wahanui. Always.
07:22 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:22 dcook Night all
07:22 dcook Ok, actually going
07:16 dcook must...stop...working
07:16 dcook Time to go get some new laptop RAM, grab some tofu, and cook for my sick wife
07:16 dcook 5:16pm ^_^
07:16 dcook Yes, wahanui. It certainly is beer o'clock for me.
07:16 dcook I...
07:15 dcook ...
07:15 magnuse well, if wahanui says so...
07:15 wahanui sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;)
07:15 magnuse sounds like it
07:13 dcook It has bad taste, I think ;)
07:12 magnuse what, it didn't like chocolate mousse?!?
07:11 * gaetan_B won't have the choice and will have to buy a new phone considering how the old one reacted to having chocolate mousse poured all over it
07:11 gaetan_B hi dcook
07:09 dcook wizzyrea: Your Nexus 4 looks so appealing!
07:08 * dcook is half-tempted to buy a new phone but $400 could be spent on other stuff...
07:08 dcook salut gaetan_B
07:05 gaetan_B hello
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06:30 wahanui hola, alex_a
06:30 alex_a bonjour
06:06 dcook Hmm, looks like I should've given my dev VM more space...almost out of room
06:02 dcook cait: That doesn't sound good :/
06:02 dcook hey ya magnuse
06:00 * magnuse waves
05:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
05:54 wahanui bug 10663 is still puzzling me
05:54 cait dcook: bug 10663
05:43 * drojf hides
05:43 drojf not much. anymore.
05:42 dcook What's up with holds?
05:40 drojf who needs those?
05:40 drojf let's abandon holds
05:37 cait drojf: the holds business is that i have no idea how to fix it.
05:37 dcook A little bit ;)
05:35 cait dcook: the growl inspired you to hve lunch?
05:34 * dcook thinks he should probably have some lunch...
05:32 * cait growls
05:31 drojf hows the hold business?
05:31 drojf hi cait
05:30 cait hi drojf
05:30 cait hi dcook
05:29 drojf hi dcook
05:28 dcook morning drojf
05:28 drojf good morning #koha
05:16 dcook hey ya cait
05:14 cait good morning #koha
04:08 dcook The lag between my typing input and input on the screen is just a few microseconds too slow...
04:08 dcook Or if I need a Virtualbox upgrade
04:07 dcook I wonder if my Debian vm will run faster headless...
03:48 dcook I'm not super familiar with mail servers and sending email though
03:48 dcook That config might be overwritten in Koha, but...I don't think so
03:48 dcook If you do "locate Sendmail.pm" and open that in an editor, you'll be able to see more about the mail config, which might help whoever else helps you with figuring out your mail server issues
03:46 dcook Note that Koha uses Sendmail.pm to send its email
03:46 zebran00b thx
03:46 zebran00b that's ok, dcook, you guys helped me narrow it down.
03:45 dcook In that case, zebran00b, its a bit too system specific for me to really help anymore
03:43 zebran00b nite jcamins
03:43 zebran00b both when I had koha@localhost and an external email address as the KohaAdminEmailAddress
03:43 jcamins I know you do, wahanui, I know.
03:43 dcook In that case, if the "to" address is valid, it's your mail server
03:43 wahanui I watch you sleep.
03:43 jcamins Good night.
03:42 dcook night jcamins
03:42 zebran00b yes, failed
03:42 dcook Now that I think about it, weren't you saying those message_queue messages were marked as failed, zebran00b?
03:42 zebran00b thx jcamins dcook
03:42 jcamins But it's late, and I need sleep.
03:42 jcamins (when you send a message to your real address)
03:41 jcamins You might change the return address to one of the addresses you have configured, and see if that helps.
03:41 zebran00b our users have external email addresses though, so it wouldn't be local mail delivery
03:41 jcamins That's my guess, anyway.
03:41 wahanui postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
03:41 jcamins postfix?
03:41 jcamins If you install a proper mail server, like Postfix.
03:41 jcamins (local mail delivery doesn't go through a server; Koha does)
03:41 zebran00b so if we remove nullmailer, koha should be able to send plain old emails?
03:40 jcamins But my understanding of what it does is make it so that the local machine acts like it doesn't have any mail server at all.
03:40 jcamins I have never been able to get it to work.
03:40 zebran00b apparently
03:40 zebran00b I'm only just learning what it is :P
03:40 jcamins But it is set up.
03:39 jcamins Right.
03:39 zebran00b someone else set up nullmailer
03:39 jcamins But you said you set up nullmailer.
03:39 jcamins Not outside your local computer.
03:39 zebran00b there is a linux account called koha with a mailbox.
03:39 zebran00b but I'm confused, isn't koha@localhost a valid email address?
03:38 dcook Always handy to use valid email addresses
03:37 jcamins Such as koha@localhost.
03:37 zebran00b aaaah
03:36 jcamins And if you did, they will reject any messages that are not from one of the e-mail addresses you configured.
03:36 jcamins I have never gotten nullmailer to work.
03:36 jcamins Probably.
03:36 zebran00b we have apparently hooked up nullmailer with our Google Apps emails. Could that be interfering?
03:35 zebran00b hmmm
03:34 jcamins Not that my clients use e-mail a lot, but when they do, it just works. So there may be something else going on.
03:33 jcamins I can tell you that I use packages exclusively in production, and e-mail has always worked perfectly.
03:33 dcook Good opportunity to learn :p
03:33 zebran00b :(
03:33 zebran00b not
03:33 dcook How savvy are you with Perl? ;)
03:32 zebran00b Already cataloged 18,000 records in this instance.
03:32 zebran00b yeah, that's got me worried.
03:31 dcook Getting close to exhausting the easy possibilities though
03:30 dcook Tell you what...I'm going to try it on my package install
03:28 dcook Won't hurt
03:28 zebran00b did anyway
03:28 dcook Nah
03:28 zebran00b should I try turning it on and off again?
03:27 zebran00b emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced is enabled
03:27 dcook Hmm, I just tried it on 3.8 and had no problem
03:27 zebran00b KohaAdminEmailAddress is koha@localhost
03:27 zebran00b AutoEmailPrimaryAddress is first valid
03:27 dcook Yeah, nevermind. Second guessing myself.
03:26 zebran00b dcook: yup, "AutoEmailOpacUser" is on.
03:26 dcook Oh wait, I think that was for account details
03:26 dcook That was for...
03:26 dcook That ""AutoEmailPrimaryAddress"" syspref might not work for Account Details
03:26 dcook Oh wait...
03:26 dcook I thought I had issues with this a while ago too to be honest, but I might be misremembering
03:26 * dcook is going to give it a whirl on 3.8
03:26 dcook zebran00b: You're certain th at you have turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser"?
03:24 dcook Pretty sure
03:24 jcamins Oh, that may be.
03:24 dcook I think that's for librarians though
03:24 dcook Oh, I see the notice
03:23 dcook Hmm, must be newer
03:23 jcamins Yeah, HOLDPLACED.
03:23 dcook It's too choppy :/
03:23 dcook I'm just too lazy to start up my 3.12 vm
03:23 zebran00b no spam of any sort.
03:23 dcook You never know
03:23 jcamins Maybe not.
03:23 jcamins I thought I remembered seeing a patch for that.
03:22 dcook Well, in 3.8
03:22 jcamins Hmmm.
03:22 dcook I only see "Hold filled" in EnhancedMessaging
03:22 jcamins dcook: ages.
03:22 wahanui Since when are you normal people?
03:22 dcook jcamins: Since when?
03:22 jcamins EnhancedMessaging makes it possible to add that notice.
03:22 dcook So...you're back to...checking your spam filters
03:21 dcook Yep. I think they just get emailed when a hold is filled.
03:21 dcook After all, it would be a bit redundant to notify yourself that you put something on hold
03:21 dcook As for the patron, I'm betting that patrons don't get emails when they place their own holds
03:21 zebran00b I specified a username and password when I created the new patron, btw
03:20 zebran00b I just tried creating a new account with 3 different email addresses. I also copied the account detail notice to my library from "all libraries". Not seeing anything in message_queue, so I think you're right about direct send.
03:19 dcook As for the holds...
03:19 dcook Especially if you're using koha@localhost as the from address
03:19 dcook In which case, it might be in your junkmail or some such
03:18 dcook It might not appear in your message_queue, as I think it might send it directly rather than using the queue
03:18 dcook Sorry, I'm looking at the account detail notice instead
03:16 zebran00b I'm logged in as it now
03:16 zebran00b yes
03:16 dcook Have you specified a userid and password for the new patron?
03:16 dcook So you've turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser"
03:15 dcook "if ( C4::Context->preference("AutoEmailOpacUser") == 1 && $newdata{'userid'} && $newdata{'password'}) {"
03:15 dcook Wait a tic...
03:15 dcook Even with an invalid address, it should probably turn up in the message_queue
03:15 dcook Mhm
03:14 jcamins But "first valid" should fix it.
03:14 jcamins So if it were trying one of those two, there would be no e-mail address.
03:14 zebran00b yes
03:14 jcamins Well, two of the three addresses associated with your patrnon are blank, right?
03:14 jcamins zebran00b: hmm. Never mind that theory.
03:13 zebran00b why would it think it is invalid?
03:13 zebran00b first valid
03:13 dcook What does the syspref "AutoEmailPrimaryAddress" say?
03:13 jcamins zebran00b: I'm not saying the e-mail address is not right, I'm saying that Koha is trying to send to the wrong address on the patron account. There are three.
03:12 zebran00b the librarian address probably is invalid, tho
03:12 zebran00b its not the wrong patron address, its my personal email address.
03:12 dcook zebran00b: You shouldn't, no
03:12 zebran00b do I have to copy all notices from "all libraries" to my specific library?
03:12 jcamins zebran00b: when you're running scripts, you should be using koha-shell.
03:12 dcook I would guess the same thing.
03:11 jcamins That's my guess.
03:11 jcamins Because you have it set up to send to the wrong patron address, and the librarian address is invalid.
03:08 zebran00b I do, but then why isn't it sending 2 emails - one to librarian, one to patron?
03:08 dcook If it were on, that would happen
03:07 dcook Do you have "emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced" turned on?
03:06 zebran00b meanwhile, message_queue says the hold message failed. It was sending from koha@localhost to koha@localhost, which is wrong in the first place (to address should be my personal mail, I placed the hold for my account)
03:05 dcook Indeed
03:05 zebran00b right, but I should fill them out first :)
03:05 dcook :p
03:05 dcook Hence my pointing to the page: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl
03:05 zebran00b actually for overdue notices, the problem seems to be that the overdue notice/status triggers aren't filled out
03:02 zebran00b and they seemed to do so as far as getting search indexing working, hence my handle
03:01 zebran00b yes, they were supposed to
03:01 dcook I would think the packages would take care of that though...
03:01 dcook You're probably not setting your KOHA_CONF either
03:01 dcook You need to set your PERL5LIB environmental variable to point to your C4 directory
03:00 dcook Mmm, that would do it
03:00 zebran00b overduerules.pl generated "Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23."
02:58 dcook Once you save that patron, an email should (in theory) be sent to one of them
02:58 dcook Create a test patron right now and put in two different email addresses in the email fields for that patron
02:58 dcook Look at the patron's email address again though
02:57 dcook Alas, I can't help you on that one at the moment, as I have other work to do
02:56 dcook Indeed
02:56 dcook The reason being that overdue notices tend to be highly specific
02:56 zebran00b more concerned about autosending account details to new patrons. Have about 200 accounts to create and would like to skip handwriting 200 emails.
02:56 dcook zebran00b: Maybe, but I doubt it.
02:56 dcook In terms of circ rules, I was referring to the possibility that items you think are overdue might not actually be overdue
02:56 zebran00b package install, shouldn't this have been done already?
02:55 dcook You might not have mapped your overdue triggers to notices
02:55 dcook Try: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl
02:54 zebran00b interesting thought about circ rules. Maybe I configured my libraries or patrons incorrectly?
02:53 dcook I think Koha needs to do a bit more checking with emails, but I have other priorities these days
02:53 zebran00b checking circ rules. No, longstanding email.
02:53 dcook I'm not super familiar with that particular notice, but it might be that you need to fill out the other email address field, as it might only check for one
02:52 dcook Did that newly create patron have an email address?
02:52 dcook Hmm
02:52 zebran00b I always had "send an email to newly created patrons with their account details" enabled, but it never does it.
02:52 dcook Or you're missing something in a system preference, or triggers, or circ rules
02:51 zebran00b so the lack of notices about new account creation, overdues, must be because I didn't configure notices properly?
02:50 zebran00b interesting, just placed a hold and it is now pending
02:50 dcook More hold notifications?
02:50 dcook And what types of emails?
02:50 dcook How certain are you that there should've been emails yesterday?
02:49 dcook In that case, you can be confident that it's not your mail server.
02:48 zebran00b in message_queue tables, three queued hold notification emails from 2 weeks ago when I specified an email in SysPref. There should be some from yesterday, after I changed SysPref email to root@localhost, but they aren't there.
02:47 zebran00b got PMA running, so bonus
02:45 jcamins dcook: you can leave out the server name if it's localhost.
02:43 dcook But I think the dbname and dbuser are the same..
02:42 dcook You could always connect to your server then do a "show databases" as well
02:42 zebran00b just looking up DB name to be sure...
02:42 dcook And DBUSER something like "koha_library" as well, I think.
02:41 dcook DBSERVERNAME would probably be localhost in your case
02:41 dcook To connect to your MySQL db via the commandline, try: mysql -u DBUSER -h DBSERVERNAME -p
02:41 jcamins zebran00b: it'll be something like koha_library
02:39 zebran00b gotcha
02:39 dcook I'm actually working with email at the moment, but I don't use package installs (yet)
02:39 dcook Unless you named your instance dev38, which you wouldn't have done
02:39 dcook Your name will be different
02:38 dcook That's my local dev DB
02:38 dcook Sorry
02:38 dcook lol
02:38 zebran00b kohadev38? is that dependent on my Koha version, in which case should it be kohadev312?
02:38 dcook Hope that helps
02:38 dcook The status will say if they're pending, failed, or sent
02:38 zebran00b thx, let me give that a shot
02:38 dcook select message_id,status from kohadev38.message_queue;
02:38 dcook Better yet:
02:38 dcook That'll tell you if any emails have even been put in the queue
02:37 dcook select * from YOURKOHADB.message_queue;
02:37 dcook That too
02:37 jcamins The command line mysql client will work just fine for you too, of course. :)
02:36 dcook d) mysql-navigator
02:36 dcook c) mysql-admin
02:36 dcook b) mysql-query-browser
02:36 dcook a) mysql-gui-tools-common
02:36 dcook If you do have a GUI and you're running Debian, these might be useful:
02:34 zebran00b checking
02:34 zebran00b I can't remember if we have a GUI
02:33 zebran00b I'm somewhat comfortable in the command line
02:32 dcook I use the MySQL GUI tools for managing my DBs
02:32 dcook Or on a computer that can access your server?
02:31 dcook If not, do you have a GUI on your server?
02:31 dcook Are you familiar with using mysql from the commandline?
02:31 zebran00b notices are all the defaults, they look fine.
02:31 zebran00b how do I check the message_queue tables? I was just trying to figure that out now.
02:31 dcook Do you have notices set up?
02:30 dcook zebran00b: Do you have anything in your message_queue table?
02:30 dcook I haven't even gotten that far yet with package installs. I'll have to look at koha-enable-email and the koha-zebra commands...but - alas - today is not that day
02:28 jcamins I just run koha-enable-email, and it works.
02:28 jcamins Unfortunately, I am now out of ideas.
02:27 zebran00b yes, there's a mediawiki on the same server that has sent emails, and I've sent test emails from the command line
02:27 jcamins zebran00b: are you able to send e-mails not from Koha?
02:24 zebran00b It's a package install so I haven't tinkered with any cronjobs or the like
02:24 zebran00b can anyone help troubleshoot a Koha 3.12 instance that won't send emails? koha_enable_email is on, I can send emails as root in command line, default address in SysPref is root@localhost.
02:23 jcamins Probably.
02:22 dcook I think my life needs more cookies...
02:20 jcamins And surprisingly subtle.
02:20 jcamins Delicious!
02:00 dcook I'm trying to imagine how these cookies must taste...
01:59 jcamins dcook: yup. :)
01:56 dcook Might step on the toes of what Kyle was working on though
01:56 dcook It's not very elegant but it works pretty well
01:55 * dcook needs to write a mainstream patch for that one sometime
01:54 dcook So that the emails contain hyperlinks to the opac :)
01:54 dcook It's all operational. Just trying to get the bib number out of search results from Zebra
01:54 dcook Alas, that's not my current task. Looking at doing email alerts for new bibs.
01:53 tcohen oh, tell me you're trying to remove all those nasty warnings on the logs...
01:53 dcook So everything works as it should :)
01:53 dcook I forgot that "defined" checks for nulls but let's through empty strings
01:52 dcook No problem :)
01:52 tcohen what's your problem dcook?
01:51 dcook Let's say hasty ;)
01:51 dcook Or hasty
01:51 dcook Yep, I'm an idiot
01:51 dcook Oh wait, or maybe I'm an idiot
01:49 tcohen \o/
01:49 dcook Its*
01:49 dcook Enough rosemary now, jcamins?
01:49 dcook o/ tcohen
01:49 dcook It's check for a defined $frameworkcode is problematic..
01:49 dcook I wonder how often "GetMarcFromKohaField" is used...
01:17 jcamins Fortunately I already chopped a bunch more.
01:17 jcamins Not enough rosemary.
01:02 jcamins And added eggs and vanilla.
01:02 jcamins I have combined the butter and sugar.
01:00 dcook How far along in the process are you of baking these?
00:58 dcook I was unsure, haha
00:57 jcamins Hehe. Well, I thought you might be unsure whether envy was appropriate. :P
00:56 dcook I did not expect you to say that
00:55 dcook lol
00:55 dcook I appreciate the permission. I'm sure they'll be delicious :)
00:55 jcamins You may. You have my permission.
00:55 dcook May I?
00:54 jcamins You may be envious.
00:54 dcook I know I like rosemary in bread but cookies?
00:54 dcook Intriguing...
00:54 jcamins Those orange-mint sugar cookies were so good that now I'm making rosemary sugar cookies.
00:22 * dcook just noticed the "Source" link on CPAN...*facepalm*