Time Nick Message 00:22 * dcook just noticed the "Source" link on CPAN...*facepalm* 00:54 jcamins Those orange-mint sugar cookies were so good that now I'm making rosemary sugar cookies. 00:54 dcook Intriguing... 00:54 dcook I know I like rosemary in bread but cookies? 00:54 jcamins You may be envious. 00:55 dcook May I? 00:55 jcamins You may. You have my permission. 00:55 dcook I appreciate the permission. I'm sure they'll be delicious :) 00:55 dcook lol 00:56 dcook I did not expect you to say that 00:57 jcamins Hehe. Well, I thought you might be unsure whether envy was appropriate. :P 00:58 dcook I was unsure, haha 01:00 dcook How far along in the process are you of baking these? 01:02 jcamins I have combined the butter and sugar. 01:02 jcamins And added eggs and vanilla. 01:17 jcamins Not enough rosemary. 01:17 jcamins Fortunately I already chopped a bunch more. 01:49 dcook I wonder how often "GetMarcFromKohaField" is used... 01:49 dcook It's check for a defined $frameworkcode is problematic.. 01:49 dcook o/ tcohen 01:49 dcook Enough rosemary now, jcamins? 01:49 dcook Its* 01:49 tcohen \o/ 01:51 dcook Oh wait, or maybe I'm an idiot 01:51 dcook Yep, I'm an idiot 01:51 dcook Or hasty 01:51 dcook Let's say hasty ;) 01:52 tcohen what's your problem dcook? 01:52 dcook No problem :) 01:53 dcook I forgot that "defined" checks for nulls but let's through empty strings 01:53 dcook So everything works as it should :) 01:53 tcohen oh, tell me you're trying to remove all those nasty warnings on the logs... 01:54 dcook Alas, that's not my current task. Looking at doing email alerts for new bibs. 01:54 dcook It's all operational. Just trying to get the bib number out of search results from Zebra 01:54 dcook So that the emails contain hyperlinks to the opac :) 01:55 * dcook needs to write a mainstream patch for that one sometime 01:56 dcook It's not very elegant but it works pretty well 01:56 dcook Might step on the toes of what Kyle was working on though 01:59 jcamins dcook: yup. :) 02:00 dcook I'm trying to imagine how these cookies must taste... 02:20 jcamins Delicious! 02:20 jcamins And surprisingly subtle. 02:22 dcook I think my life needs more cookies... 02:23 jcamins Probably. 02:24 zebran00b can anyone help troubleshoot a Koha 3.12 instance that won't send emails? koha_enable_email is on, I can send emails as root in command line, default address in SysPref is root@localhost. 02:24 zebran00b It's a package install so I haven't tinkered with any cronjobs or the like 02:27 jcamins zebran00b: are you able to send e-mails not from Koha? 02:27 zebran00b yes, there's a mediawiki on the same server that has sent emails, and I've sent test emails from the command line 02:28 jcamins Unfortunately, I am now out of ideas. 02:28 jcamins I just run koha-enable-email, and it works. 02:30 dcook I haven't even gotten that far yet with package installs. I'll have to look at koha-enable-email and the koha-zebra commands...but - alas - today is not that day 02:30 dcook zebran00b: Do you have anything in your message_queue table? 02:31 dcook Do you have notices set up? 02:31 zebran00b how do I check the message_queue tables? I was just trying to figure that out now. 02:31 zebran00b notices are all the defaults, they look fine. 02:31 dcook Are you familiar with using mysql from the commandline? 02:31 dcook If not, do you have a GUI on your server? 02:32 dcook Or on a computer that can access your server? 02:32 dcook I use the MySQL GUI tools for managing my DBs 02:33 zebran00b I'm somewhat comfortable in the command line 02:34 zebran00b I can't remember if we have a GUI 02:34 zebran00b checking 02:36 dcook If you do have a GUI and you're running Debian, these might be useful: 02:36 dcook a) mysql-gui-tools-common 02:36 dcook b) mysql-query-browser 02:36 dcook c) mysql-admin 02:36 dcook d) mysql-navigator 02:37 jcamins The command line mysql client will work just fine for you too, of course. :) 02:37 dcook That too 02:37 dcook select * from YOURKOHADB.message_queue; 02:38 dcook That'll tell you if any emails have even been put in the queue 02:38 dcook Better yet: 02:38 dcook select message_id,status from kohadev38.message_queue; 02:38 zebran00b thx, let me give that a shot 02:38 dcook The status will say if they're pending, failed, or sent 02:38 dcook Hope that helps 02:38 zebran00b kohadev38? is that dependent on my Koha version, in which case should it be kohadev312? 02:38 dcook lol 02:38 dcook Sorry 02:38 dcook That's my local dev DB 02:39 dcook Your name will be different 02:39 dcook Unless you named your instance dev38, which you wouldn't have done 02:39 dcook I'm actually working with email at the moment, but I don't use package installs (yet) 02:39 zebran00b gotcha 02:41 jcamins zebran00b: it'll be something like koha_library 02:41 dcook To connect to your MySQL db via the commandline, try: mysql -u DBUSER -h DBSERVERNAME -p 02:41 dcook DBSERVERNAME would probably be localhost in your case 02:42 dcook And DBUSER something like "koha_library" as well, I think. 02:42 zebran00b just looking up DB name to be sure... 02:42 dcook You could always connect to your server then do a "show databases" as well 02:43 dcook But I think the dbname and dbuser are the same.. 02:45 jcamins dcook: you can leave out the server name if it's localhost. 02:47 zebran00b got PMA running, so bonus 02:48 zebran00b in message_queue tables, three queued hold notification emails from 2 weeks ago when I specified an email in SysPref. There should be some from yesterday, after I changed SysPref email to root@localhost, but they aren't there. 02:49 dcook In that case, you can be confident that it's not your mail server. 02:50 dcook How certain are you that there should've been emails yesterday? 02:50 dcook And what types of emails? 02:50 dcook More hold notifications? 02:50 zebran00b interesting, just placed a hold and it is now pending 02:51 zebran00b so the lack of notices about new account creation, overdues, must be because I didn't configure notices properly? 02:52 dcook Or you're missing something in a system preference, or triggers, or circ rules 02:52 zebran00b I always had "send an email to newly created patrons with their account details" enabled, but it never does it. 02:52 dcook Hmm 02:52 dcook Did that newly create patron have an email address? 02:53 dcook I'm not super familiar with that particular notice, but it might be that you need to fill out the other email address field, as it might only check for one 02:53 zebran00b checking circ rules. No, longstanding email. 02:53 dcook I think Koha needs to do a bit more checking with emails, but I have other priorities these days 02:54 zebran00b interesting thought about circ rules. Maybe I configured my libraries or patrons incorrectly? 02:55 dcook Try: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl 02:55 dcook You might not have mapped your overdue triggers to notices 02:56 zebran00b package install, shouldn't this have been done already? 02:56 dcook In terms of circ rules, I was referring to the possibility that items you think are overdue might not actually be overdue 02:56 dcook zebran00b: Maybe, but I doubt it. 02:56 zebran00b more concerned about autosending account details to new patrons. Have about 200 accounts to create and would like to skip handwriting 200 emails. 02:56 dcook The reason being that overdue notices tend to be highly specific 02:56 dcook Indeed 02:57 dcook Alas, I can't help you on that one at the moment, as I have other work to do 02:58 dcook Look at the patron's email address again though 02:58 dcook Create a test patron right now and put in two different email addresses in the email fields for that patron 02:58 dcook Once you save that patron, an email should (in theory) be sent to one of them 03:00 zebran00b overduerules.pl generated "Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23." 03:00 dcook Mmm, that would do it 03:01 dcook You need to set your PERL5LIB environmental variable to point to your C4 directory 03:01 dcook You're probably not setting your KOHA_CONF either 03:01 dcook I would think the packages would take care of that though... 03:01 zebran00b yes, they were supposed to 03:02 zebran00b and they seemed to do so as far as getting search indexing working, hence my handle 03:05 zebran00b actually for overdue notices, the problem seems to be that the overdue notice/status triggers aren't filled out 03:05 dcook Hence my pointing to the page: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl 03:05 dcook :p 03:05 zebran00b right, but I should fill them out first :) 03:05 dcook Indeed 03:06 zebran00b meanwhile, message_queue says the hold message failed. It was sending from koha@localhost to koha@localhost, which is wrong in the first place (to address should be my personal mail, I placed the hold for my account) 03:07 dcook Do you have "emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced" turned on? 03:08 dcook If it were on, that would happen 03:08 zebran00b I do, but then why isn't it sending 2 emails - one to librarian, one to patron? 03:11 jcamins Because you have it set up to send to the wrong patron address, and the librarian address is invalid. 03:11 jcamins That's my guess. 03:12 dcook I would guess the same thing. 03:12 jcamins zebran00b: when you're running scripts, you should be using koha-shell. 03:12 zebran00b do I have to copy all notices from "all libraries" to my specific library? 03:12 dcook zebran00b: You shouldn't, no 03:12 zebran00b its not the wrong patron address, its my personal email address. 03:12 zebran00b the librarian address probably is invalid, tho 03:13 jcamins zebran00b: I'm not saying the e-mail address is not right, I'm saying that Koha is trying to send to the wrong address on the patron account. There are three. 03:13 dcook What does the syspref "AutoEmailPrimaryAddress" say? 03:13 zebran00b first valid 03:13 zebran00b why would it think it is invalid? 03:14 jcamins zebran00b: hmm. Never mind that theory. 03:14 jcamins Well, two of the three addresses associated with your patrnon are blank, right? 03:14 zebran00b yes 03:14 jcamins So if it were trying one of those two, there would be no e-mail address. 03:14 jcamins But "first valid" should fix it. 03:15 dcook Mhm 03:15 dcook Even with an invalid address, it should probably turn up in the message_queue 03:15 dcook Wait a tic... 03:15 dcook "if ( C4::Context->preference("AutoEmailOpacUser") == 1 && $newdata{'userid'} && $newdata{'password'}) {" 03:16 dcook So you've turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser" 03:16 dcook Have you specified a userid and password for the new patron? 03:16 zebran00b yes 03:16 zebran00b I'm logged in as it now 03:18 dcook Sorry, I'm looking at the account detail notice instead 03:18 dcook It might not appear in your message_queue, as I think it might send it directly rather than using the queue 03:19 dcook In which case, it might be in your junkmail or some such 03:19 dcook Especially if you're using koha@localhost as the from address 03:19 dcook As for the holds... 03:20 zebran00b I just tried creating a new account with 3 different email addresses. I also copied the account detail notice to my library from "all libraries". Not seeing anything in message_queue, so I think you're right about direct send. 03:21 zebran00b I specified a username and password when I created the new patron, btw 03:21 dcook As for the patron, I'm betting that patrons don't get emails when they place their own holds 03:21 dcook After all, it would be a bit redundant to notify yourself that you put something on hold 03:21 dcook Yep. I think they just get emailed when a hold is filled. 03:22 dcook So...you're back to...checking your spam filters 03:22 jcamins EnhancedMessaging makes it possible to add that notice. 03:22 dcook jcamins: Since when? 03:22 wahanui Since when are you normal people? 03:22 jcamins dcook: ages. 03:22 dcook I only see "Hold filled" in EnhancedMessaging 03:22 jcamins Hmmm. 03:22 dcook Well, in 3.8 03:23 jcamins I thought I remembered seeing a patch for that. 03:23 jcamins Maybe not. 03:23 dcook You never know 03:23 zebran00b no spam of any sort. 03:23 dcook I'm just too lazy to start up my 3.12 vm 03:23 dcook It's too choppy :/ 03:23 jcamins Yeah, HOLDPLACED. 03:23 dcook Hmm, must be newer 03:24 dcook Oh, I see the notice 03:24 dcook I think that's for librarians though 03:24 jcamins Oh, that may be. 03:24 dcook Pretty sure 03:26 dcook zebran00b: You're certain th at you have turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser"? 03:26 * dcook is going to give it a whirl on 3.8 03:26 dcook I thought I had issues with this a while ago too to be honest, but I might be misremembering 03:26 dcook Oh wait... 03:26 dcook That ""AutoEmailPrimaryAddress"" syspref might not work for Account Details 03:26 dcook That was for... 03:26 dcook Oh wait, I think that was for account details 03:26 zebran00b dcook: yup, "AutoEmailOpacUser" is on. 03:27 dcook Yeah, nevermind. Second guessing myself. 03:27 zebran00b AutoEmailPrimaryAddress is first valid 03:27 zebran00b KohaAdminEmailAddress is koha@localhost 03:27 dcook Hmm, I just tried it on 3.8 and had no problem 03:27 zebran00b emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced is enabled 03:28 zebran00b should I try turning it on and off again? 03:28 dcook Nah 03:28 zebran00b did anyway 03:28 dcook Won't hurt 03:30 dcook Tell you what...I'm going to try it on my package install 03:31 dcook Getting close to exhausting the easy possibilities though 03:32 zebran00b yeah, that's got me worried. 03:32 zebran00b Already cataloged 18,000 records in this instance. 03:33 dcook How savvy are you with Perl? ;) 03:33 zebran00b not 03:33 zebran00b :( 03:33 dcook Good opportunity to learn :p 03:33 jcamins I can tell you that I use packages exclusively in production, and e-mail has always worked perfectly. 03:34 jcamins Not that my clients use e-mail a lot, but when they do, it just works. So there may be something else going on. 03:35 zebran00b hmmm 03:36 zebran00b we have apparently hooked up nullmailer with our Google Apps emails. Could that be interfering? 03:36 jcamins Probably. 03:36 jcamins I have never gotten nullmailer to work. 03:36 jcamins And if you did, they will reject any messages that are not from one of the e-mail addresses you configured. 03:37 zebran00b aaaah 03:37 jcamins Such as koha@localhost. 03:38 dcook Always handy to use valid email addresses 03:39 zebran00b but I'm confused, isn't koha@localhost a valid email address? 03:39 zebran00b there is a linux account called koha with a mailbox. 03:39 jcamins Not outside your local computer. 03:39 jcamins But you said you set up nullmailer. 03:39 zebran00b someone else set up nullmailer 03:39 jcamins Right. 03:40 jcamins But it is set up. 03:40 zebran00b I'm only just learning what it is :P 03:40 zebran00b apparently 03:40 jcamins I have never been able to get it to work. 03:40 jcamins But my understanding of what it does is make it so that the local machine acts like it doesn't have any mail server at all. 03:41 zebran00b so if we remove nullmailer, koha should be able to send plain old emails? 03:41 jcamins (local mail delivery doesn't go through a server; Koha does) 03:41 jcamins If you install a proper mail server, like Postfix. 03:41 jcamins postfix? 03:41 wahanui postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html 03:41 jcamins That's my guess, anyway. 03:41 zebran00b our users have external email addresses though, so it wouldn't be local mail delivery 03:41 jcamins You might change the return address to one of the addresses you have configured, and see if that helps. 03:42 jcamins (when you send a message to your real address) 03:42 jcamins But it's late, and I need sleep. 03:42 zebran00b thx jcamins dcook 03:42 dcook Now that I think about it, weren't you saying those message_queue messages were marked as failed, zebran00b? 03:42 zebran00b yes, failed 03:42 dcook night jcamins 03:43 jcamins Good night. 03:43 wahanui I watch you sleep. 03:43 dcook In that case, if the "to" address is valid, it's your mail server 03:43 jcamins I know you do, wahanui, I know. 03:43 zebran00b both when I had koha@localhost and an external email address as the KohaAdminEmailAddress 03:43 zebran00b nite jcamins 03:45 dcook In that case, zebran00b, its a bit too system specific for me to really help anymore 03:46 zebran00b that's ok, dcook, you guys helped me narrow it down. 03:46 zebran00b thx 03:46 dcook Note that Koha uses Sendmail.pm to send its email 03:48 dcook If you do "locate Sendmail.pm" and open that in an editor, you'll be able to see more about the mail config, which might help whoever else helps you with figuring out your mail server issues 03:48 dcook That config might be overwritten in Koha, but...I don't think so 03:48 dcook I'm not super familiar with mail servers and sending email though 04:07 dcook I wonder if my Debian vm will run faster headless... 04:08 dcook Or if I need a Virtualbox upgrade 04:08 dcook The lag between my typing input and input on the screen is just a few microseconds too slow... 05:14 cait good morning #koha 05:16 dcook hey ya cait 05:28 drojf good morning #koha 05:28 dcook morning drojf 05:29 drojf hi dcook 05:30 cait hi dcook 05:30 cait hi drojf 05:31 drojf hi cait 05:31 drojf hows the hold business? 05:32 * cait growls 05:34 * dcook thinks he should probably have some lunch... 05:35 cait dcook: the growl inspired you to hve lunch? 05:37 dcook A little bit ;) 05:37 cait drojf: the holds business is that i have no idea how to fix it. 05:40 drojf let's abandon holds 05:40 drojf who needs those? 05:42 dcook What's up with holds? 05:43 drojf not much. anymore. 05:43 * drojf hides 05:54 cait dcook: bug 10663 05:54 wahanui bug 10663 is still puzzling me 05:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals 06:00 * magnuse waves 06:02 dcook hey ya magnuse 06:02 dcook cait: That doesn't sound good :/ 06:06 dcook Hmm, looks like I should've given my dev VM more space...almost out of room 06:30 alex_a bonjour 06:30 wahanui hola, alex_a 06:59 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Les mises à jour de Koha 3.10 (http://t.co/IM8JTUgnbj) et 3.12 (http://t.co/XYW8EMUK3k) sont sorties hier. #KohaILS" 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:08 dcook salut gaetan_B 07:08 * dcook is half-tempted to buy a new phone but $400 could be spent on other stuff... 07:09 dcook wizzyrea: Your Nexus 4 looks so appealing! 07:11 gaetan_B hi dcook 07:11 * gaetan_B won't have the choice and will have to buy a new phone considering how the old one reacted to having chocolate mousse poured all over it 07:12 magnuse what, it didn't like chocolate mousse?!? 07:13 dcook It has bad taste, I think ;) 07:15 magnuse sounds like it 07:15 wahanui sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;) 07:15 magnuse well, if wahanui says so... 07:15 dcook ... 07:16 dcook I... 07:16 dcook Yes, wahanui. It certainly is beer o'clock for me. 07:16 dcook 5:16pm ^_^ 07:16 dcook Time to go get some new laptop RAM, grab some tofu, and cook for my sick wife 07:16 dcook must...stop...working 07:22 dcook Ok, actually going 07:22 dcook Night all 07:22 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:22 dcook Always, wahanui. Always. 07:24 christophe_c hello #koha 07:28 kf good morning #koha 07:33 magnuse bonjour kf et christophe_c 07:37 matts hi ! 07:37 christophe_c bonjour magnuse 07:41 kf hi magnuse, matts and christophe_c 07:41 christophe_c hi kf ;-) 07:59 rangi bug 8033 07:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check 08:02 rangi aka 08:02 rangi how dare this software i have contributed nothing to behave in a way other than exactly how i like it, i demand you fix it for free right now 08:03 * kf offers cookies 08:06 rangi heh 11:42 * kf waves 11:47 * jwagner waves back so kf won't feel lonely.... 11:55 * magnuse waves too 12:26 oleonard Hi #koha 12:26 kf hi oleonard :) 12:27 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:35 tcohen morning #koha 12:35 kf good morning tcohen 12:36 tcohen hi kf, 12:36 tcohen i'm doing the 3.8 > 3.12 upgrade right now :-D 12:36 kf hm 12:37 kf you know about bug 10663? 12:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals 12:37 tcohen i didn't, but i'll fix it then :-P 12:37 tcohen nothing will stop ths move right now 12:37 kf glad to hear you will fix it 12:37 kf ;) 12:37 tcohen its 38 instances 12:37 tcohen all waiting for me to finish 12:38 tcohen closed academic libraries 12:38 kf no holds? 12:38 tcohen and, we don't use holds (yet) 12:38 kf aah lucky :) 12:40 tcohen oh. you provided a fix 12:41 kf not really 12:41 kf it's not fixable for title level holds i think 12:41 kf well getreservestatus is, should not be used to check for reserved, 13:07 oleonard You still fighting with holds today kf? 13:10 kf today fighting with ils-di 13:10 kf jcamins: around? 13:10 jcamins Vaguely. 13:10 jcamins Until my breakfast finishes heating. 13:10 jcamins What's up? 13:11 kf i am trying to write a unit test for AuthenticatePatron 13:11 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/ILSDI/Services.pm#l307 13:11 jcamins kf++ 13:11 kf is there a way to do it? 13:11 kf i am stumbling on the cgi-param... 13:12 jcamins You can mock the cgi object. 13:12 kf do we have an example somewhere? 13:12 jcamins Create a CGI object, set the relevant params, and pass it in. 13:12 jcamins Nope. 13:12 oleonard Do not taunt the cgi object! 13:12 kf that's bad 13:12 kf because then i have no idea how to start. hm. 13:14 mmm45 hello 13:14 wahanui que tal, mmm45 13:15 mmm45 i have some questions regarding ccsr and the mobile 13:15 jcamins Maybe there's a Test::CGI. 13:15 jcamins I will check. 13:15 jcamins CGI::Test? 13:15 kf do we already use that? 13:15 jcamins No. 13:15 kf *sigh* 13:15 kf i see 13:15 kf this gets out of scope 13:15 jcamins And this is not what you want anyway. 13:15 mmm45 once i change opacthemes from prog to ccsr 13:16 mmm45 the regular browser looks very weird and not very nice on the phone either 13:16 mmm45 i am on version 3.12.2 13:16 jcamins mmm45: do you have custom CSS? 13:16 mmm45 i think there is some custom 13:16 oleonard mmm45: Have you tried clearing your browser cache? Did you set the opaccolorstylesheet to "colors.css" ? 13:16 oleonard opaccolorstylesheet system preference, that is. 13:16 mmm45 i did set opaccolor to colors.css 13:17 mmm45 yes, i have done that 13:17 oleonard mmm45: Is your opac public? Can we look? 13:17 mmm45 are there any other changes in the pref that i need to do? 13:18 mmm45 catalog-dev.uttyler.edu 13:18 mmm45 as compared to catalog.uttyler.edu 13:18 mmm45 right now i am messing with the testing site 13:18 mmm45 catalog-dev is on ccsr 13:18 mmm45 and just catalog is on prog 13:19 jcamins mmm45: in my experience, you have to redo all your custom CSS/JS when switching between the two. 13:19 ebegin good morning / afternoon / night #koha ;) 13:19 oleonard mmm45: I agree. It looks like an issue with your custom CSS. 13:19 mmm45 so, find the custom and just start messing with it? 13:20 jcamins I'd remove it all and start from a clean slate. 13:21 kf jcamins: cookie? :) 13:21 mmm45 i'm not sure where the custom code was done....to be very honest 13:21 jcamins kf: ooh, yes. Have an amazing and subtle rosemary sugar cookie. 13:21 mmm45 it was already like this when i took the job 13:21 mmm45 look at opac.css? 13:21 mmm45 or basically everywhere? 13:21 jcamins mmm45: if you didn't hand-build your packages, I'd guess it's probably customized in the usual way, through the database. 13:22 jcamins If it's not there, then, yeah, I have no idea where to look. 13:22 mmm45 do i need to add anything under opaclayoutstylesheet? 13:23 oleonard mmm45: opacUserCSS system pref maybe? 13:23 mmm45 that might be part of it 13:23 kf jcamins: was more thinking about bribing you... 13:23 kf but i see that the changes are low. 13:24 mmm45 thank you so much.....i will keep looking 13:27 kf chances.. 13:27 wahanui chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well 13:40 kf bye all :) 13:47 tcohen 50% done :-D 14:06 oleonard Ugh, suggestions are SUCH A MESS 14:06 oleonard We should get rid of ALL the organize/filter options altogether and put them all in one big table 14:07 jcamins oleonard: would that help? 14:08 oleonard At leats they would all be in once place and you wouldn't have to wonder whether you hadn't chosen the right filter option 14:09 oleonard If I choose to "organize by library," why do I get one tab labeled "unknown" ? 14:10 oleonard If I "organize by 'managed by'" I get *two* tabs labeled "unknown!" 14:13 gmcharlt oleonard: indeed; IIRC, cait has been poking at it 14:25 oleonard Should one wait to mark a bug 'fixed' until it has been pushed to 3.10.x? 3.8.x? 14:27 * oleonard finds Bug 10519 14:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10519 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken 14:55 oleonard Can you git-bz attach multiple patches at once? 14:56 jcamins oleonard: I don't know how to. 14:56 gmcharlt oleonard: yes 14:56 gmcharlt git bz attach -e 1234 HEAD^^^^..HEAD 14:57 gmcharlt adjust the number of ^ for how far back you want to go 14:58 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt 14:59 * oleonard will have to put the git bz test bug to use 14:59 gmcharlt git-bz test bug? 14:59 gmcharlt ... 15:00 gmcharlt wahanui: git-bz test bug is bug 6473 15:00 wahanui OK, gmcharlt. 15:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz 15:00 gmcharlt git-bz test bug? 15:00 wahanui git-bz test bug is bug 6473 15:01 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm not sure http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473#c89 has nearly enough signoffs 15:01 gmcharlt ;) 15:01 huginn` 04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz 15:04 jcamins gmcharlt: and you know what's really terrible? I've just been told that script isn't working for a user, so I'm about to go through that again! 15:04 gmcharlt heh 15:22 tcohen heh 15:23 tcohen UNC rebooting (IP change) to go live using 3.12 in 15:23 tcohen 3 15:23 tcohen 2 15:23 tcohen 1 15:24 tcohen and... 15:25 tcohen we are online! YAY 15:51 jcamins Okay, that worked. 16:55 oleonard So, Bug 9223 partially resurrected, but still needs work. 16:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9223 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Multiple values of AdvancedSearchTypes in suggestions 17:53 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Corona Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/wu0G6Ibtg1 #KohaILS" 18:08 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Child of the Library http://t.co/U7r8OidCJK #KohaILS" 18:24 tcohen @seen kf 18:24 huginn` tcohen: kf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <kf> bye all :) 18:26 tweetbot [off] twitter: @tomasitonone: "UNC is live now with #KohaILS 3.12.3. Thanks @jcamins and the whole community for this awesome release." 18:37 jcamins windows-- 18:37 jcamins ie-- 18:38 jcamins Oh, wow. 18:38 oleonard You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins 18:38 jcamins There's "broken" and then there's "BROKEN." 18:39 jcamins This is the latter. 18:39 gmcharlt oleonard++ 18:39 jcamins Wow wow wow wow. 18:40 gmcharlt @quote add <jcamins> windows-- <jcamins> ie-- <oleonard> You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins 18:40 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #268 added. 18:41 jcamins JSON is undefined? 18:41 jcamins wtf? 18:42 jcamins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! 18:42 jcamins wtf? 18:42 drojf what the fun is going on here? hi #koha 18:43 jcamins drojf: IE doesn't support JSON. 18:45 * drojf does not support IE 18:46 drojf so, why do you use it? and… really, like "not at all"? 18:46 drojf there is probably some "superior" windows data format around i never heard of? ;= 18:46 drojf ;) 18:47 jcamins drojf: I don't want there to be an error if someone tries to use IE despite having been told not to. 18:47 drojf then use a microsoft approved data format :P 18:48 jcamins drojf: and, not at all. 18:48 pianohacker use XML! It'll inflate your code for no real benefits, but XML! 18:48 jcamins There is no JSON object. 18:49 pianohacker You aren't dealing with some weird compatibility or quirks mode, are you? 18:49 drojf http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5339232/json-is-undefined-error-in-javascript-in-internet-explorer#5339285 ?! 18:50 jcamins pianohacker: no, I am, I just get annoyed by them, every time. 18:50 jcamins drojf: yeah, that's what I found. 18:54 drojf pianohacker: there is an IE that is not generally some weird compatibility quirks mode 18:54 drojf ? 18:54 pianohacker if you read enough MSDN, sure 18:55 drojf no, thanks ;) 18:57 jcamins Wow, wow, wow, wow. This is impressive. Truly. 18:57 jcamins IE's rendering is the Weirdest Ever. 19:01 jcamins Man, that's dreadful. 19:01 jcamins But my paging works in IE. 19:02 jcamins To the extent that anything works, at least. 19:06 jcamins pianohacker: I think this browser has not read MSDN enough: http://screencast.com/t/i8m0Ze8nSC 19:07 pianohacker What? It's like their bidi display engine is rand()%2 19:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS The Corona Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/ehIn6CODVu" 19:59 * oleonard tiptoes out 20:11 cait hi #koha 20:13 pianohacker yo cait :) 20:14 pianohacker I had a quick q for ya actually 20:14 cait hm? 20:15 pianohacker you mentioned that the XML data for the new cataloging plugins had some issues with translation 20:15 pianohacker Have any efforts been made towards fixing that? 20:16 cait yes 20:16 cait i think bgkriegel fixed it 20:21 tcohen hi cait 20:21 cait hi tcohen := 20:21 cait :) 20:21 tcohen is that work on 3.12.3 already cait? 20:22 cait i think so 20:22 cait i think it went into 3.12 20:22 cait brb 20:22 tcohen we are live using 3.12 and happy, had some weirdness related to extended patron attributes 20:22 jcamins Yes, it was down to the wire, but I think that was the last patch I pushed prior to string freeze. 20:27 tcohen you're right jcamins, I pushed some typo patches for that work, for release 3.12.1 20:40 jcamins sleep? 20:40 wahanui somebody said sleep was an addiction that can be cured! 20:40 jcamins sleep? 20:40 wahanui sleep is an addiction that can be cured! 20:40 jcamins Huh. 20:41 cait :) 20:41 cait so what's the trick? 20:42 tcohen i need to push a trivial string patch, 20:42 * cait needs to qa something 20:42 tcohen why can't i just mark as pushed to stable? 20:43 cait some status are linked together 20:43 jcamins tcohen: you have to go through Pushed to master first. 20:43 cait might be you have to set another status first - rangi can change it i think 20:43 jcamins IT's the workflow. 20:43 jcamins *It's 20:43 tcohen </rmaint rant> 20:43 tcohen i'm mentioning vimal (livecd manager) 20:45 tcohen [off] looks like flooding this rmaint works for some people 20:45 cait [off] ugh? 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was the best cookie-chef in #koha. 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui i guess jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is a spoilsport 20:46 jcamins jcamins? 20:46 wahanui somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. 20:46 jcamins Someone's been playing with what wahanui knows about me. 20:46 tcohen [off] the former 3.12 livecd manager wasn't mentioned in about.tt 20:47 jcamins [off] I was looking for the "jcamins is irascible so submit good patches." That's your solution to being bugged about stupid things. Be so irascible no one wants to speak with you. :) 20:48 cait [off] I'd told him to send a patch ;) 20:48 tcohen [off] i'll talk with my shrink about my compulsive need to be kind to people bothering me 20:49 jcamins [off] It's a hard one to conquer. 20:49 tcohen [off] i know, heh 20:50 cait tcohen++ 20:50 tcohen do u people have robots.txt on your koha sites? 20:50 jcamins I do. 20:50 tcohen google likes to hammer our servers, i noticed during the upgrade (new server, no robots.txt) 20:51 cait tcohen: i think soe have, we don't afaik 20:51 jcamins At some point I'll put up site maps. 20:52 cait hmmm 20:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #77 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:59 tcohen don't waste cpu cycles jenkins_koha 21:10 drojf [off] tcohen: somebody claiming to be the manager of something koha related should be able to at least find the bug tracker of the software he claims to be managing some part of. if not provide a patch entering one string (his own name) into one page. but that may just be my personal unfriendliness. 21:14 bgkriegel Hi! 21:14 tcohen hi bgkriegel 21:15 tcohen [off] agreed drojf 21:16 jcamins Wait... this is IE8. 21:16 drojf [off] i'd vote for dropping the position of livedvd manager completely ASAP but unfortunately we alredy got the next one. who has about the same community connections as the last one if i am not mistaken 21:17 drojf *already 21:18 jcamins Well, the minified JS doesn't not work, so I think I don't care that IE8 appears to go into paroxysms of quirkiness. 21:18 cait [off] there is already a next time we can drop it 21:18 drojf [off] if we are lucky the next one will just never show up. i don't think he did so far? 21:19 jcamins [off] He showed up on IRC a few times. But not in months. 21:19 drojf [off] yeah, like never after we voted maybe? i see a pattern there… 21:21 tcohen [off] he's just released a livedvd, right? 21:21 drojf [off] that is some other guy 21:21 drojf livedvd business is complicated ;) 21:22 drojf [off] oops. confusing the log readers 21:22 tcohen oh 21:22 tcohen [off] so is not the same guy? hahahaaha 21:23 drojf [off] i couldn't restist smiling in that last livedvd release like a day before the security release. nice way to point out the immediate out-of-date-ness of those things 21:23 jcamins [off] Nope, the guy who released the LiveDVD is the one who sent out the e-mail saying "please pay me for the LiveDVD I made for you." 21:24 drojf [off] err. couldn't resist similing when came out… 21:24 drojf [off] lol i should go to bed 21:25 drojf [off] jcamins come on, he invested all that time hand crafting that software he did not work on into a dvd 21:26 drojf [off] and it has a special web page or something! and some india-related custumizations 21:26 drojf [off] and i give up on orthography for today 21:28 drojf [off] just for the fun of it i'd like to come up with a killer feature that does not work with dvds for some reason. i'm a bad person when i do not get enough sleep. 21:33 cait [off] only then? :) 21:36 jcamins Hehe. 21:36 jcamins [off] Just making the logs more weird. 21:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #77: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/77/ 21:37 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10669 - LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page 21:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10669 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page 21:37 tcohen heheh 21:37 tcohen dedicated to drojf 21:38 drojf rofl 21:38 drojf sweet 21:39 jcamins And that's why you should always avoid buying gouda on Sundays. 21:39 drojf [off] the guy entering the patch signed off on it. i also do not see any QA. i vote for reverting :P 21:39 jcamins [off] And now it's _really_ confusing. 21:39 drojf [off] it is for me and i read it live ;) 21:39 jcamins [off] Excellent! 21:40 cait [off] http://corona.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=137517 :) 21:40 drojf [off] yay, let's browse the power meter shelf 21:42 drojf i'd like power meter cover images! 21:42 drojf [off] log people are going to love this 21:45 tweetbot [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "#Koha RT @KohaILS: #KohaILS The Corona Public Library Chooses ByWater Solutions’ Koha Support http://t.co/4FDR61MqJB" 22:24 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nzKoha: "New Hampshire state librarians documenting their state-wide move to #KohaILS http://t.co/RZ13qwWt7f" 23:27 dcook morning #koha 23:32 dcook Just started reading about digital preservation by the NSLA: http://www.nsla.org.au/projects/digital-preservation 23:32 dcook Apparently, Australia is going to (or already has) changed legal deposit to include digital items O_O 23:32 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2013p572878 23:33 rangi bouncy bouncy 23:33 jcamins Are they going to convert everything to MARC? 23:33 dcook :p 23:33 jcamins Because I was just thinking... 23:33 jcamins we should use more marc 23:33 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 23:33 dcook The project manager actually looks quite competent 23:34 dcook rangi: Any idea about how long the quakes are supposed to continue? 23:34 rangi months 23:34 dcook Wind/rain storms, earthquakes, what else is going on 23:35 jcamins Yikes. 23:35 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/statistics 23:35 rangi we get like 20k a year 23:35 rangi but you dont feel most of them 23:35 dcook Yeah, most of those look pretty small 23:36 dcook Apparently, I was in a few in Vancouver but I never felt any of those either 23:36 dcook Even though the innards of buildings around me were apparently shaken quite badly O_o 23:36 dcook Maybe I'm just used to having sea legs... 23:37 jcamins I have experienced two earthquakes. One in Kabul, when everyone just assumed it was an explosion, and one in New York from a quake down in VA. Other than that, I've managed to avoid them. I don't think I'd like 20k/year. 23:38 pianohacker Good night, all 23:38 dcook New Zealanders are made of tough stuff (even if they don't feel many of them) 23:38 dcook night pianohacker 23:38 dcook have a good one 23:38 pianohacker bye dcook