Time  Nick          Message
00:00 dcook         Mmm, I see
00:00 dcook         I just realized the gitweb has a log
00:00 wizzyrea      it's kind of fantastic, I like it for looking at patches applied to a particular file in the tree.
00:01 wizzyrea      you can do the same with the git log but I LIKE TO CLICK (sometimes.)
00:01 dcook         Yeah, I have to ssh into my server or start up my VM, so this is a bit more convenient
00:01 dcook         Plus, tabs!
00:06 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #168: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/168/
00:06 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie
00:06 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie
00:06 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory
00:06 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Update release notes for 3.10.9 release
00:06 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Database update for 3.10.9 release
00:06 jenkins_koha  Starting build #335 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:07 gmcharlt      giving jenkins a workout today
00:07 * wizzyrea    imagines him buttling about doing tests and such
00:08 gmcharlt      :)
00:09 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8980819/Boy-5-a-hero-to-his-diabetic-mum
00:09 rangi         feel good story of the day
00:11 wizzyrea      dawwww
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00:33 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "#penting RT @KohaILS: #KohaILS  Security release — July 2013 http://t.co/Qvlo32MtLl"
00:34 jcamins       gmcharlt++
00:34 jcamins       eythian++
00:41 dcook         Quick question, is there an easy way to cherry-pick a range of commits from one branch to another?
00:41 dcook         I seem to be...doing something wrong
00:41 dcook         I just want commit X to commit Y but git seems to be trying to be too smart
00:42 dcook         (or I'm not smart enough...probably the latter)
00:42 jcamins       dcook: I never learned how.
00:43 dcook         So cherry-pick individual commits?
00:43 dcook         I suppose there shouldn't be too many cases where you'd need to cherry-pick a range, i suppose
00:43 jcamins       That's what I do.
00:43 dcook         Cool beans. :)
00:44 dcook         On a completely unrelated topic, is frozen yogurt increasingly becoming a thing anywhere else than in Sydney?
00:44 dcook         They're springing up everywhere
00:44 jcamins       It's very popular here.
00:44 dcook         Newtown has at least 3 places within close proximity to each other.
00:44 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #335: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/335/
00:44 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie
00:44 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie
00:44 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory
00:44 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: release notes for 3.8.16
00:44 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: bump up version numbers for 3.8.16 release
00:44 dcook         I thought froyo was a thing of the '90s
00:44 dcook         :S
00:45 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1341 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 4 days 10 hr ago)
01:53 jcamins       What's going on with tags?
02:00 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1341: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1341/
02:00 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: use JSON rather than Storable for the OPAC search history cookie
02:00 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: do some validation of the KohaOpacRecentSearches cookie
02:00 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: move Auth_ParseSearchHistoryCookie.t to db_dependent directory
02:09 tcohen        why jcamins? (about your tag question)
02:10 dcook         That's one way to ask a question..
02:10 dcook         jcamins: What's up?
02:10 jcamins       dcook: I was wondering what ontop, push, and BL_304 meant.
02:11 dcook         Those do sound bizarre
02:11 rangi         someone pushed some biblibre tags, which i had previously deleted from the repo last time they accidentally got pushed
02:11 rangi         the trick is to always push tags from a clean branch
02:11 jcamins       rangi: ah.
02:11 rangi         which you dont have other tags on
02:11 rangi         it just pushes them all
02:11 rangi         ill clean them off again at some point :)
02:13 dcook         That moment when you clear your cache and have no idea why the tags aren't appearing in Cataloguing...until you realize that they are on tabs other than 0
02:13 cjh           you can also push the tags one by one 'git push remote tagname'
02:13 rangi         *nod*
02:13 jcamins       Yeah, I always use that form.
02:13 rangi         i have a repo
02:13 rangi         called cleankoha
02:14 rangi         thats the only one i ever push anything from
02:14 rangi         just cos i make typos
02:14 rangi         sometimes :)
02:14 cjh           I also have a cleankoha that I built packages from, but for rmaint I have millions of tags I use...
02:14 cjh           keeping track of my progress through 3.10.x, noting where I didnt push a patch and the reason, etc.
02:14 rangi         *nod*
02:14 rangi         i do that too
02:15 rangi         but when it comes to pushing i pull/merge to my clean one and push from there
02:15 rangi         ie my messy one is a remote of my clean one
02:15 rangi         if that makes sense
02:18 cjh           yeah that does, most of my mess is in the 3.10.x branch and my 3.8.x branch is kept clean.
03:48 dcook         [off] Blast from the past: Koha inh 2008? http://lisolutions.org/downloads/uploads/How%20to%20manage%20Authorities%20in%20Koha.pdf
03:52 dcook         Hmm, there's no way of merging authorities besides at the command-line, right?
03:53 dcook         I mean existing authorities
03:53 dcook         Where you have "Authority A" and "Authority a"
03:53 dcook         And you want to merge the second into the first
04:29 zebran00b     using package install of Koha, can send emails from command line and have koha-enable-email on for my instance, but Koha doesn't send any emails. Is there a log I should check?
04:33 zebran00b     version 3.12 btw
05:11 cait          gmcharlt++ tcohen++ bgkriegel++ cjh++
06:05 magnuse       yeah! gmcharlt++ tcohen++ bgkriegel++ cjh++
06:07 dcook         hey cait and magnuse :)
06:07 dcook         magnuse: I was just looking at this gist of yours: https://gist.github.com/MagnusEnger/1918264
06:07 * dcook       is trying to figure out how Koha uses OAI-PMH and possibly build a OAI-PMH client into Koha...
06:08 magnuse       dcook: cool
06:10 dcook         Looks like people were certainly talking about it years ago...
06:10 dcook         DC => MARC21 is a bit scary though
06:10 dcook         Mainly in terms of forming the leader and 008...
06:10 magnuse       yeah, but oai-pmh doesn't have to be dc
06:11 dcook         True
06:11 dcook         In anticipation of Kohacon, I'm thinking of trying to harvest data from Dspace and ingest into Koha
06:11 dcook         I suppose the records you ingest are only as good as the data that you have at the origin
06:12 dcook         The automation of the harvesting looks...interesting
06:12 dcook         Especially given that Koha itself limits searches of its OAI server to 50 (or other value in a syspref)
06:12 dcook         Hmm resumption tokens eh..
06:13 drojf         dcook: excellent, i was going to ask you about dspace and koha, and if you'd do that with OAI-PMH. and how. :)
06:13 dcook         I think that's the ideal
06:14 magnuse       there is no searching in oai-pmh, just harvesting, possibly limited to "sets"
06:14 drojf         gmcharlt++ tcohen++ bgkriegel++ cjh++ eythian++
06:14 dcook         magnuse: Admittedly, I haven't tried much yet. Just...ListIdentifiers and GetRecord
06:14 dcook         But that's probably very narrow of me
06:14 cait          eythian++
06:14 magnuse       one way to do it would be to write a script that could harvest records from oai-pmh and then inject them into koha through the rest api thingy
06:15 magnuse       dcook: yeah, results are "paged" so by default koha gives you 50 results and then you have to use the resumption token to get the next 50 etc
06:15 dcook         drojf: At the moment...we extract the DC metadata from Postgresql, transform it to MARC21 with a custom program, then ingest it into Koha using the background scripts
06:15 dcook         background = cli
06:15 magnuse       eythian++ too
06:16 drojf         dcook: that does not sound like something the library that asked me about it would want to do (or be capable of)
06:16 dcook         drojf: Agreed. Hence why I'm working on the OAI-PMH idea :)
06:16 drojf         dcook++
06:18 dcook         magnuse: Yeah, I'm starting to think that I'll need to add a new cronjob that pings OAI-PMH servers, and then transform and ingest the results...either through the rest api or using the normal scripts
06:18 dcook         drojf: I think the transformations are going to be the toughest part :/
06:19 dcook         Although I think LoC has a DC to MARC XSLT somewhere..
06:19 drojf         oh, they have?
06:19 dcook         Not that it has to be DC...I should look at DSpace. I think they have a few formats.
06:19 magnuse       yup, transofmrations sounds like the hardest part of that
06:19 drojf         OAI-PHM is not restricted to DC, so you could have MARC too, in theory? but that may not be an option in DSpace
06:20 dcook         drojf: Yeah, I know DSpace has DC. I was told it has others as well, but I have my doubts on MARC
06:20 dcook         DC to MODS..
06:20 drojf         oh, that reminds me. there is this great and very easy to test bug 9295 that needs a signoff by somebody familiar with OAI-PMH, dcook or magnuse ;) *spam*
06:20 dcook         drojf: http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/xslt/DC2MARC21slim.xsl
06:20 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9295 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Introduce operator equal/ notequal to OAI set mapping instead of hardcoded 'equal' value
06:20 dcook         lol
06:21 dcook         I only started reading about OAI-PMH today!
06:21 dcook         Although I did see that bug when I was searching online ;)
06:21 drojf         heh
06:21 dcook         I was hoping you could tell me more about how one even defines OAI sets in Koha :S
06:21 dcook         Apparently, there is a thing called OAI MARC
06:21 dcook         http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/xslt/OAIMARC2MARC21slim.xsl
06:21 dcook         P.S. These are all at: http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/
06:22 drojf         i'll have to have alook at it again. it has been some time ago and we were taling about it at work. i forgot a lot about it :)
06:23 dcook         Ahh...this DC to MARC XSLT looks terrible
06:23 drojf         because it has MARC in it? :P
06:23 dcook         hehe
06:23 dcook         Well, it's just super barebones
06:24 dcook         I was hoping they might have a solution for the leader and 008 issue...but nope
06:24 dcook         OAI MARC looks better..
06:24 * dcook       goes and looks at DSpace
06:25 dcook         Neato!
06:25 dcook         Apparently, DSpace does have MARC
06:25 * dcook       breathes a sigh of relief
06:25 dcook         https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSDOC3x/OAI+2.0+Server#OAI2.0Server-MetadataFormats
06:25 dcook         Wait...
06:25 dcook         Or did I read that wrong..
06:26 cait          it looks like it
06:27 * dcook       is trying to find a DSpace backend to confirm that one..
06:27 dcook         I half wonder if they're just saying that is a valid OAI format
06:28 dcook         Hmmm
06:32 dcook         Not looking good
06:32 * cait        keeps fingers crossed while walking to work
06:33 cait          bbiab
06:33 dcook         ttyl, cait
06:33 dcook         thanks :)
06:34 alex_a        hello !
06:36 magnuse       bonjour alex_a
06:36 magnuse       @wunder marseille
06:36 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on July 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
06:36 magnuse       @wunder boo
06:37 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
06:37 dcook         Oh...I see how they were doing the leader...
06:39 dcook         Actually, that's not half bad...
06:39 dcook         They get the 6th and 7th positions of the leader..
06:39 dcook         Those are the most important
06:42 dcook         Could write a best guess of the 008 as well I suppose based on those positions
06:46 dcook         Wow...the built-in marc.xsl in Dspace is rather horrendous..
06:47 dcook         Best to harvest it as DC and perform one's own transformation
06:47 dcook         Maybe I could write up a good one and post it on koha-community.org...
06:47 * magnuse     thinks anything involving MARC *has* to be horrendous
06:48 dcook         hehe
06:48 dcook         True
06:48 dcook         Yet, there is a standard there
06:48 dcook         The marc.xsl wontonly disregards it
06:48 dcook         Using it...one would get some rather misleading records
06:48 dcook         At least in terms of fixed field data
06:49 dcook         Also, it's pretty barebones on what it spits out in terms of datafields as well
06:52 dcook         Ahh...Administration > OAI sets
06:53 dcook         salut laurence, alex_a
06:53 dcook         hey mcooper
06:53 alex_a        salut dcook
06:54 laurence      bonjour dcook
06:56 dcook         magnuse++
06:56 dcook         Thanks for chatting about OAI-PMH :)
06:58 magnuse       any time ;-)
07:00 drojf         showered. caffeine level rising. aaah.
07:00 drojf         btw, when did you sneak back in magnuse? :)
07:00 dcook         hehe
07:01 magnuse       drojf: yesterday ;-)
07:01 drojf         welcome back then :)
07:01 magnuse       thanks
07:04 christophe_c  hello #koha
07:05 magnuse       bonjour christophe_c
07:06 christophe_c  bonjour magnuse ;-)
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07:17 gaetan_B      hello
07:17 wahanui       hi, gaetan_B
07:35 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
07:35 huginn`       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.8°C (9:12 AM CEST on July 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
07:39 dcook         drojf: bug 10662
07:39 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
07:39 dcook         If you add your CC, it'll save me trying to tell you how I go :p
07:41 drojf         cool! will do :)
07:41 dcook         I'm pretty optimistic :)
07:41 dcook         Dspace does have a MARC crosswalk but it's rather awful, so I'm going to write a better one :p
07:41 drojf         dcook++ # sounds nice
07:42 drojf         quality MARC records. hehe
07:42 dcook         :p
07:43 dcook         the marc.xsl in Dspace uses a leader that says everything is a musical recording
07:43 drojf         lol sounds grat
07:43 magnuse       lol
07:43 magnuse       way to go!
07:43 drojf         my e is half broken btw
07:43 drojf         that's what i get for fixing m r
07:43 drojf         my r
07:43 dcook         lol
07:43 * drojf       needs a nw keyboard
07:44 * dcook       nods
07:44 dcook         :)
07:44 drojf         heh
07:44 drojf         i hope its better now
07:44 dcook         But yeah...hopefully when I get this feature done...
07:44 dcook         It'll just need a bit of config and then a decent XSLT
07:44 drojf         i had to put the numpad 7 in as T, that triggered kind of a chain reaction :D
07:44 magnuse       dcook: the perl module you use should take care of the resumption tokens for you
07:44 dcook         And I'll provide mine either with the patch or online
07:44 dcook         magnuse: That's what it says but I don't see how it does O_o
07:45 dcook         Mind you, I only looked at HTTP::OAI::Harvester and it uses a few other modules
07:45 magnuse       dcook: not sure how, but i have seen it work for this, at least: http://search.cpan.org/~esummers/OAI-Harvester-0.98/lib/Net/OAI/Harvester.pm#listAllRecords%28%29
07:45 dcook         Mmm, that's the other harvester I was looking at as well
07:45 dcook         It looks like it might actually be better
07:46 dcook         Although not sure how it does the XML parsing..
07:46 kf            good morning #koha
07:46 dcook         hey ya kf :)
07:46 dcook         In any case, I have to go get my wife and make her foodz
07:47 kf            :)
07:47 magnuse       have fun dcook
07:47 dcook         night drojf, magnuse, kf, et les autres ;)
07:47 drojf         by dc
07:47 kf            night dc
07:47 magnuse       guten morgen kf
07:47 drojf         heh
07:47 kf            autocomplete... fail
07:47 kf            :)
07:48 kf            god morgen magnuse
07:48 drojf         if he's dc now he should transform himself into MARC so he can be harvested
07:49 magnuse       lol!
07:49 magnuse       ooh, that is some superpower: transforming yourself into a MARC record
07:51 drojf         yeah, great ;)
07:51 drojf         what esle would you like to be :P
07:51 drojf         else
07:52 kf            that's something for the evil villain
07:57 magnuse       yeah, probably
08:07 kf            quiz question
08:07 kf            when shoudl a renewal be blocked for an existing hold?
08:11 kf            hm
08:11 * kf          starts testing
08:18 magnuse       there is a loan with a hold on it, and the patron who has the loan wants to renew?
08:20 kf            yeah...
08:21 kf            and the patron can in 3.12 :(
08:21 kf            item level and title level hold don't block renewal
08:22 magnuse       and there isn't a syspref affecting it?
08:23 magnuse       AllowRenewalsInSpiteOfHolds or something?
08:29 kf            i am checking for a pref
08:29 kf            but i don't think there is
08:32 eythian       hi
08:32 wahanui       salut, eythian
08:33 kf            hi eythian
08:39 magnuse       hiya eythian
08:39 eythian       hello
09:20 rangi         sometimes i despair
09:20 rangi         https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/362140154300858370
09:20 cjh           only sometimes?
09:21 rangi         hehe
09:23 kf            rangi++
09:23 kf            thx for your help with bug 10663
09:24 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds don't block renewal in OPAC
09:24 kf            which is totally a big problem... even if it's not blocker for not messing up our data :(
09:25 rangi         easy fix
09:25 rangi         revert the patch
09:25 kf            yeah, but i will need gmcharlt for that
09:25 rangi         any patch that does optimisation, but causes a regression
09:26 rangi         is an instant revert in my opinion
09:26 cjh           ++
09:26 rangi         because reverting it loses no new features, just fixes the bug it introduced
09:26 kf            only saying that it's not in my git might to do it :)
09:26 kf            i am all for reverting
09:26 kf            i will even try it next onmy installation
09:32 * magnuse     is about to try his hand at a 3.0200007/normal install to a 3.12.3/packages install
09:35 magnuse       ...upgrade
10:05 kf            gmcharlt:  around?
10:19 drojf         hi #koha
10:19 drojf         again ;)
10:23 eythian       go to bed, kf
10:24 kf            eythian: grr?
10:24 eythian       it's the middle of the day, which normally means you're up far too late.
10:24 magnuse       yeah, that is excellenet advice at 12:24 on a weekday ;-)
10:25 * drojf       wants to go to bed too
10:30 kf            eythian: you have to finally reset your timezones
10:38 kf            this_day--
10:39 * drojf       chucks cookies at cait. not the bad kind of cookies
10:43 kf            :)
10:47 * magnuse     needs some lunch too
11:33 kf            hm i think i found it
11:38 magnuse       yay! what?
11:49 kf            the reserve problem
11:49 kf            pending some more tests
11:50 * magnuse     was hoping that was what kf had found
11:51 kf            hehe
11:51 kf            yay!
11:57 magnuse       yay?!?
11:57 kf            keep fingers crossed :)
11:58 kf            hi oleonard
11:58 oleonard      Hi
11:58 wahanui       hola, oleonard
12:04 * magnuse     crosses fingers
12:04 kf            looks good
12:19 * kf          grumps
12:19 kf            that is stupid. if all items are checked out you can't place a hold?
12:20 kf            oh well you can
12:20 kf            but it can still be renewed
12:20 kf            or...
12:25 tcohen        morning #koha
12:25 kf            hi tcohen
12:25 tcohen        hi kf
12:26 oleonard      kf++
12:30 kf            oleonard: not sure i can fix it :(
12:30 tcohen        so, itmanager@wtctheology.org.uk is still out of office
12:30 oleonard      You get points for trying kf
12:30 kf            thx oleonard :)
12:30 jcamins       tcohen: it must be nice to get a zillion weeks of vacation.
12:30 oleonard      tcohen: Aren't you glad for the reminder? You might have forgotten.
12:30 kf            help appreciated...
12:30 tcohen        heh
12:31 kf            tcohen: youare not on 3.12 by chance? :P
12:31 tcohen        right now i'm writing a Redmine presentation for a tech talk i have to give in about an hour
12:31 kf            ah
12:31 kf            we use redmine
12:32 tcohen        and you have  presentation?
12:32 kf            sorry no
12:32 tcohen        what do u like of redmine?
12:32 kf            that it keeps my gazillion tasks in one place? :)
12:33 kf            i like using sub tickets and linking tickets together, like we can in bugzilla
12:35 tcohen        thanks kf
12:36 tcohen        i've been playing with eclipse+mylyn for integrating everything in one place
12:41 magnuse       tcohen: i have used redmine a little bit, and i like the way you can link issues together by searching in the box where you would expect to just be able to write the number of the bug you want to "link" to
12:41 tcohen        thanks magnuse
13:08 oleonard      Hi druthb & khall
13:08 drojf         druthb!
13:08 khall         morning oleonard, druthb, et al!
13:10 druthb        drojf!  khall!  oleonard! :D
13:14 kf            :(
13:18 jcamins       edveal: in the future, you should just ask your jQuery questions on #koha. Or #bywater, of course.
13:19 jcamins       For non-clients, #koha is always a more effective way to get answers than a PM to me.
13:19 edveal        jcamins I did ask channel and got some great help but while I was waiting I pinged you.
13:19 * kf          gives up.
13:19 jcamins       Ah.
13:20 jcamins       Yeah, if I don't respond in-channel, I'm unlikely to respond to a PM either.
13:20 kf            khall: if you have libraries on 3.12 bug 10663 might turn out to really annoy them ;)
13:20 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds don't block renewal in OPAC
13:22 magnuse       kf: maybe remove the "in OPAC" part of the bug title?
13:23 kf            magnuse: true
13:23 * kf          makes it more dramatic
13:23 kf            bug 10663
13:24 * kf          stsill hopes to be all wrong tho
13:24 magnuse       bug 10663
13:27 kf            magnuse: wahanui gave up too
13:28 kf            bug 10663
13:28 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
13:49 * magnuse     really should do some signoffs, for his sins
13:50 oleonard      Sounds like a good weekend was had magnuse ;)
13:52 magnuse       hehe
13:53 magnuse       i was more thinking of adding patches to the queue, without testing a proportionate number of bugs
13:53 * magnuse     wanders off to make spaghetti carbonara
13:57 oleonard      Mmmm... carbon.
14:05 oleonard      I'll bet magnuse wants to test Bug 9916
14:05 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use DataTables in the OPAC
14:14 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:14 huginn`       gmcharlt: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010)
14:21 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "OSCON: Non-Profit Organizations for FLOSS http://t.co/5bUdjXmDcr #KohaILS"
14:22 * kf          waves at gmcharlt
14:22 gmcharlt      hi kf
14:23 drojf         hi gmcharlt
14:23 drojf         i had a question for you that i forgot now
14:23 gmcharlt      drojf: :)
14:27 drojf         gmcharlt: ah, i know. for bug 10195, do you think it is necessary to have an option to keep the old (faulty) behaviour that records hidden from search results can be accessed if you know the direct link/biblio number for weird legacy use cases?
14:27 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed
14:29 gmcharlt      drojf: IMO, no, it's not necessary
14:29 drojf         excellent. :)
14:37 magnuse       @wunder boo
14:37 huginn`       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 24.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on July 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
14:37 magnuse       phew...
14:37 oleonard      ?
14:40 druthb        @wunder 77063
14:40 huginn`       druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 29.6°C (9:38 AM CDT on July 30, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
14:40 druthb        hm
14:41 druthb        @wunder mcmurdo
14:41 huginn`       druthb: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -32.0°C (12:00 AM NZST on July 31, 2013). Conditions: Blowing Snow. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -39.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Falling).
14:56 jenkins_koha  Starting build #21 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
14:56 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10543 - add mandatory subfield check to addorderiso2709.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c7e1390b45e497676ea4f414520708577cf761a> / Bug 10543 - Unify item mandatory subfields check <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d4724e81b94b290a5b58970a8f59ebe8340f165> / Bug 10543: fix false warnings from checks of mandatory item fields <http://git.koha-community.or
14:59 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1342 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 5 days 1 hr ago)
15:07 drojf         unimarc--
15:08 kf            evil-bugs--
15:08 kf            gmcharlt++
15:12 pianohacker   mornin'
15:12 drojf         hi pianohacker
15:12 pianohacker   hey drojf
15:23 drojf         gmcharlt: i hardcoded the field/subfield (942$n) in bug 10195. it is the field used for 'Suppress' index in marc21 and normarc. the field is also referenced in some unimarc sql files for the same purpose, but it is not part of record.abs for unimarc. can i leave it hardcoded and expect unimarc devs to use 942$n for this if they ever wanted to have a suppress index?
15:23 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed
15:24 drojf         (i hope that made sense at all)
15:26 gmcharlt      drojf: not a fan of hardcoding MARC fields, but since the 942$n isn't mapped to a column in biblio, using GetMarcFromKohaField is not currently an option
15:27 gmcharlt      so, at the very least please wrap it in a routine (e.g., GetOpacSuppressFlagField or the like)
15:27 gmcharlt      another option, if you care to spend the time implementing it, would be to add a new boolean column to biblio -- biblio.opac_suppressed, e.g.
15:28 gmcharlt      then update the frameworks to map 942$n to it
15:28 gmcharlt      that way, the OPAC suppression status of a bib would also become more easily accessible to SQL
15:28 jcamins       drojf: that is the better option for your use case, because otherwise a public report could still expose a suppressed record.
15:30 drojf         oh, good point
15:40 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #21: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/21/
15:40 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543: fix false warnings from checks of mandatory item fields
15:40 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - Unify item mandatory subfields check
15:40 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - add mandatory subfield check to addorderiso2709.pl
15:40 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , false mandatory warning in additem
15:48 drojf         gmcharlt: that would go into biblio, not biblioitems? i admit i still don't understand what the difference is, but it seems most 942 things are in biblioitems
15:48 gmcharlt      drojf: biblio -- current idea is that biblioitems will get folded into biblio
15:48 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS  Koha 3.10.9 released http://t.co/gnymCK8g6Q"
15:48 drojf         ah, cool. thanks
15:51 pianohacker   gmcharlt: I know his is a contentious topic, so I'm just curious about what's been said recently; does Koha have any plans for any kind of FRBR inclusion?
15:51 pianohacker   obviously the current infrastructure doesn't really support that well at all, but...
15:54 * druthb      hides.
15:54 gaetan_B      bye !
15:54 gmcharlt      heh
15:54 * drojf       heads home, hopefully
15:55 gmcharlt      pianohacker: well, that's a broad question, but as stated, not terribly different from "can my favorite feature X get into Koha", which has all of the usual answers (show us patches, specs, codes, $$$, anything)
15:55 gmcharlt      i.e., yes, nothing blocking it
15:56 druthb        There is FRBR, the fairly-good concept, and there is RDA, the dumbed-down FRBR-ish-kind-of idea that basically means "Add a few MARC fields, and preserve the Bad Idea Infrastructure that we've been on for longer than you've been alive."
15:56 jcamins       gmcharlt: other than FRBR being poorly conceived.
15:56 gmcharlt      but "FRBR inclusion" per se isn't really specific, since it could mean anything from "group related records record better on the OPAC, using vaguely FRBRish principles" to "adopt a full-blown imitation of the FRBR data model"
15:56 jcamins       Not that that would really prevent anything happening.
15:58 pianohacker   okay, makes sense. Thanks
15:58 druthb        I've had occasion to think about the notion of a full-blown implementation of the FRBR model.  As jcamins notes, there are problems with it, but if we let the perfect be the impediment to the better-than-we-have-now, we'd still be using typewriters, and cards with a hole in an odd place.
15:59 jcamins       druthb: but I maintain that we already have something better which we are pushing under the rug because "Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records" sounds better than "traditional bibliographic concepts."
16:00 druthb        Depending on the meaning of "traditional bibliographic concepts", I agree with you, actually.  Unless you mean MARC.
16:01 jcamins       druthb: pffft. MARC better than... anything?
16:01 jcamins       Not likely!
16:01 druthb        didn't think so.
16:01 jcamins       No, I mean the well-established bibliographic concepts of edition, etc.
16:02 jcamins       Note for those who have missed my pontification on the subject before: the library world doesn't use these concepts.
16:02 druthb        As I see it, there are *two* purposes to cataloging generally;  they don't actually have to be in conflict with each other, but they aren't the same sorts of things—"What do we hold?" (inventory control) vs "What do we hold?" (so I can find it, as a patron).  MARC serves one of those kind of well, and the other--dismally.
16:03 * kf          flees
16:03 kf            bye all
16:04 pianohacker   oleonard: By "copypasta copyright" on bug 10320 (comment 20), you meant "Copyright 2009 BibLibre SARL", correct?
16:04 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
16:05 oleonard      I remember that particular one, yes. Can't remember if there were more.
16:05 druthb        FRBR, while still quite imperfect, gives a philosophical separation between the two that MARC lacks, and *begins* to approach them as the different things that they are.
16:05 pianohacker   (and are we still doing the "Copyright (c) <author>, Koha Development Team" thing)
16:06 pianohacker   oleonard: thanks
16:06 oleonard      pianohacker: That doesn't sound familiar
16:10 gmcharlt      pianohacker: it's either copyright-author or copyright-employer; there's no copyright assignment going on that makes "Copyright Koha Development Team" a meaningful concept
16:10 pianohacker   kk
16:11 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1342: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1342/
16:11 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543: fix false warnings from checks of mandatory item fields
16:11 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - Unify item mandatory subfields check
16:11 jenkins_koha  * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - add mandatory subfield check to addorderiso2709.pl
16:11 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , false mandatory warning in additem
16:12 bshum         Does anyone have any experience extracting MARC data and holdings from Winnebago Spectrum?
16:12 bshum         We're seeing an odd case where the export comes out with no tags.  Just the indicators, subfields, and values.
16:12 bshum         It's quite perplexing.
16:13 pianohacker   wow, that's odd. Is it a USMARC or MARCXML file?
16:13 bshum         pianohacker: I'm not sure exactly what the school was trying to pull out.  I think it's supposed to be USMARC.
16:14 bshum         It's just a .txt file export
16:14 pianohacker   bshum: Any chance you could put an extract on paste.koha-community.org?
16:19 bshum         pianohacker: Oh weird.  When I view the first 1000 characters of the file, I can see there's some unrecognized characters in front of the various areas where I would expect a tag to be.
16:19 bshum         Maybe it's some encoding error.
16:22 pianohacker   ah, that sounds likely
16:38 pianohacker   Hmm. What's the reason for the 'opac-tmpl should be replaced with [% interface %]' warning in the qa tools?
16:38 * pianohacker is full of questions today
16:39 oleonard      There should be no direct link to the theme directory ("prog")
16:40 pianohacker   oleonard: This is a link to the generic opac-tmpl/lib directory
16:40 oleonard      If so it sounds like a bug in the qa tools
16:40 oleonard      I'm not sure that's really a problem
16:40 pianohacker   I'd say so. I'll poke kf when she gets back though
16:42 jcamins       pianohacker: the QA tools are maintained by mtj and Joubu.
16:42 * cait        waves
16:42 pianohacker   jcamins: Thanks.
16:43 pianohacker   yo, cait
16:43 pianohacker   oleonard: It looks like it was intended to prevent bug 2774 from reappearing, but I'd say it's overzealous
16:43 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
16:49 pianohacker   Hrm. Yeah, I'd say t/data/5/tmpl/i_fail_patterns_theme.tt in the qa repo is very much missing the point of that bug
16:57 gmcharlt      time for a QA process for qa-tools?
16:57 * gmcharlt    is not entirely joking
16:59 pianohacker   haha, well :) It might not be bad to have a koha-patches sort of mailing list for the qa-tools
17:00 gmcharlt      I'd rather that they just be folded into Koha's tree proper -- if developers are expected to comply with them, they should be Right There In Front of Them (TM)
17:03 oleonard      +1
17:04 pianohacker   +1
17:08 tcohen        [off] i've heard people testing my packages will get free cookies at Reno
17:08 ebegin        a quick question about bug 8133
17:08 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
17:08 pianohacker   ebegin: what's up?
17:08 ebegin        I guess this one is for pianohacker :-)
17:09 ebegin        It seems that your patch for the JS was marked as replaced your first patch. Is this what you really wanted to do ?
17:11 pianohacker   ebegin: no, it wasn't. Fixed that, thanks for mentioning it :)
17:13 ebegin        pianohacker, thanks ! we tried to apply it using git gz and it wasn't working
17:14 pianohacker   ebegin: Because of it being obsolete, or due to other problems?
17:14 ebegin        I guess that it was because it was obsolete, yeah.
17:14 pianohacker   okay, cool
17:15 ebegin        good, it seams to work.
17:17 ebegin        By the way, I want to introduce Blou (pronouced Blue) to the koha community. Is one of the new programmers who started working for inLibro last week.
17:17 pianohacker   ebegin: awesome. Please let me know if something's unclear during the testing procedure, the code is adapted to a couple specific usage scenarios, and I'm not sure how flexible it is
17:18 pianohacker   and hello blou, and welcome :)
17:18 blou          thanks pianohacker.  Got a good feel so far!
17:18 gmcharlt      blou: welcome!
17:18 wahanui       Welcome to zombo.com
17:18 oleonard      wahanui: ?!
17:18 wahanui       oleonard: i'm not following you...
17:19 pianohacker   blou: wahanui is a learning info-bot, so if you see something weird from it, don't worry too hard
17:20 blou          good to know, I had already done a search on zombo :)
17:20 ebegin        so did i ... :)
17:25 jcamins       @quote get 123
17:25 wahanui       http://xkcd.com/1172/
17:25 huginn`       jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:25 jcamins       blou: you'll probably need to know that one ^^
17:25 jcamins       :)
17:25 jcamins       And, welcome!
17:25 wahanui       Welcome to zombo.com
17:25 cait          welcome blou
17:26 cait          and don't get irritated by the bots :) some people like feeding them nonsense
17:26 cait          oh
17:26 jcamins       cait?
17:26 wahanui       cait: go to bed
17:26 cait          again?
17:26 pianohacker   bears repeating
17:26 jcamins       I was demonstrating nonsense.
17:28 blou_         them?  There are many?
17:28 jcamins       @later tell blou_ Yup!
17:28 huginn`       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:28 cait          wahanui and huginn - but you never know who else is a bot...
17:28 wahanui       i don't know, cait
17:28 * druthb      might or might not be a bot.
17:28 jcamins       blou_: if you say something, huginn will send you the message I just left for you.
17:29 blou_         so i say something
17:30 blou_         ohhh sweet memories...  It feels like 1995 all over again!
17:31 pianohacker   druthb: Does supybot have whiskey and harassment plugins yet?
17:31 druthb        pianohacker: I'll get back to you on that, once RDA is finalized.
17:31 pianohacker   hahahahaha
17:55 Dyrcona       RDA--
18:07 magnuse       (some) bots are listed at the bottom of this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:07 magnuse       bots?
18:07 wahanui       bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:09 drojf         nice try magnusebot
18:10 * drojf       chucks skittles at druthbot
18:11 * druthb      chucks skittles at drojf
18:12 * cait        ducks
18:13 * drojf       chucks ducks at cait
18:13 druthb        cait:  caitsnack cookie
18:13 cait          not hungry for cookies
18:14 druthb        hmpf.
18:14 drojf         OMG whats wrong?
18:14 * druthb      takes the cookie back, and offers cookies to drojf
18:14 drojf         used cookies? ;)
18:14 drojf         ah, why not :)
18:14 drojf         thanks :D
18:15 druthb        :P
18:15 cait          10663 still
18:15 * druthb      grumbles something about her boss being late to his own funeral.
18:16 cait          this code is just insane
18:21 oleonard      Holds code? Insane? Who would've thought?
18:23 * cait        grumbles
18:35 tcohen        looks like i'll have to fix the release notes next tiem
18:35 jcamins       tcohen: what's wrong with them?
18:35 tcohen        vimal argued his name isnot there
18:37 * drojf       giggles
18:38 drojf         " Another thing is, Live DVD Manager name has not mentioned in About Koha > Koha Team."
18:38 drojf         really?
18:38 wahanui       i think really is off now
18:38 drojf         bug tracker is too much?
18:39 druthb        wahanui:  bug tracker?
18:39 wahanui       i think bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
18:40 druthb        lol
18:40 druthb        I was hoping he'd say it's too much.
18:40 drojf         lol
18:40 druthb        have to be careful about saying "is" around here..
18:41 tweetbot      [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "Need to keep those ideas in mind when working on #KohaILS #rpt"
18:41 drojf         bug tracker <is> too much
18:41 drojf         or how that worked
18:41 drojf         bug tracker?
18:41 wahanui       hmmm... bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
18:41 drojf         ok i fail at confuseabot
18:43 druthb        wahanui:  drojf?
18:43 wahanui       drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
18:43 cait          hehe
18:43 druthb        wahanui:  Germany?
18:43 wahanui       well, Germany is very cool
18:44 drojf         erm. do i really just put biblio.something into the framework and it magically works with GetMarcFromKohaField?
18:44 druthb        yes, yes it is.
18:44 druthb        wahanui: cait?
18:44 wahanui       cait: go to bed
18:44 druthb        lol
18:44 cait          drojf: that sounds magical :)
18:44 drojf         cait: too magical to be not suspicious ;)
18:44 cait          drojf: you might want to check if editing, creating , deleting things still works right :)
18:45 rambutan      wahanui: Pi?
18:45 wahanui       rumour has it Pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;)
18:45 * cait        does the insane and tries to write test
18:45 cait          s
18:45 drojf         cait: have not done anything, just checking what to do at all
18:45 druthb        wahanui:  Reno?
18:45 wahanui       hmmm... Reno is like vegas junior right?
18:45 druthb        LOL
18:45 drojf         hehe
18:47 oleonard      It might as well be Vegas. Everyone here thinks I'm going to Vegas even though I said Reno.
18:47 oleonard      They should just rename the whole state Vegas.
18:48 jcamins       [off] Guys! 10 seconds is not a reasonable delay for a simple search in your demo catalogue! This is just embarrassing!
18:49 drojf         [off] raspberry pi? ;)
18:51 druthb        The amazing thing is not how well the bear waltzes, but that the bear waltzes at all.
18:51 druthb        hm.
18:51 rambutan      [on] Sweet Cherry Pi?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisWH8iMLdE
18:52 druthb        wahanui: The amazing thing?
18:52 wahanui       hmmm... the amazing thing is not how well the bear waltzes, but that the bear waltzes at all.
18:52 jcamins       [off] No, this is on some sort of massive server, I think.
18:52 druthb        muahahaa
18:52 druthb        [off] whose?
18:53 drojf         Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in  Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing  rights.
18:53 drojf         i have never heard of sme music
18:53 jcamins       [off] Proprietary "next generation ILS" that no one has ever heard of.
18:54 cait          hm trying to figure out the best way to set my reserve to waiting
18:54 druthb        drojf:  http://www.youtube.com/v/RisWH8iMLdE  ?  I hear that's a hack to avoid that problem.
18:54 druthb        http://lifehacker.com/381349/bypass-youtube-restrictions-with-a-url-hack
18:54 rambutan      http://anonymouse.org  ?
18:54 drojf         thanks, i already knew that 2 times but forget it immdiately :D
18:55 drojf         immediately even
18:55 drojf         my e is b0rked
18:55 drojf         oh, it dos not work anymore
18:55 drojf         the hack, i mean
18:55 druthb        rats!
18:56 druthb        I used to use it to watch european content from time to time.
18:56 drojf         i usually just throw it into tor but it does not work for all videos
18:56 drojf         this one seems to exist only in flash form
18:56 druthb        börk, börk, börk!
18:56 drojf         the webms work
18:57 pianohacker   drojf: torsocks?
18:57 drojf         tor browser bundle. but i'd wear socks from them too
18:57 drojf         ;)
18:58 * druthb      puts on her Tor Sox, and wiggles her toes.
18:58 drojf         lol
18:58 pianohacker   drojf: Just wondering if the LD_PRELOAD hack that torsocks uses might be passed along to flash even if normal proxy settings aren't
19:00 drojf         AFAIK you are not supposed to use flash at all because it will leak information. i think there is not even an option to enable it in thr tor browser
19:00 pianohacker   ah okay
19:00 drojf         i need a new keyboard
19:00 drojf         or maybe throw this one in the bath tub for a while
19:00 * druthb      hands drojf some extra eeeeeees
19:00 drojf         yay
19:01 drojf         if it would just leave them out… but it feels weird to type and that is irritating
19:09 rambutan      I used to put our library's keyboards through my dishwasher routinely. Kinda got tired of taking them apart, however, so haven't done it so much lately.
19:11 rambutan      ...casually wondering how a Pi might do as a Tor relay....
19:12 drojf         rambutan: onion pi
19:12 jcamins       rambutan: I think there's already a downloadable distribution for that.
19:12 rambutan      oh? mihgt have to check it out
19:13 drojf         http://learn.adafruit.com/onion-pi/overview
19:40 * rangi       choke coughs
19:42 rangi         what an annoying start to the day
19:42 oleonard      rangi: ?
19:42 rangi         someones refactoring busted holds
19:42 rangi         and no others have to fix it
19:43 rangi         a massive pet peeve of mine
19:43 rangi         refactoring is great ... in theory
19:43 * cait        hides
19:43 rangi         and then we have the other pet peeve
19:43 rangi         the live dvd
19:46 jcamins       rangi: but hey, it could be worse. The refactoring could have been intended to make the LiveDVD work.
19:46 * cait        glares at jcamins now
19:47 jcamins       Or... the refactoring could have been intended to make the LiveDVD run under Windows.
19:47 drojf         what do you mean, make?
19:47 drojf         it doesn't by default?
19:47 drojf         we need a koha livedvd on windows manager ASAP
19:47 pianohacker   jcamins: That is a horrifying idea
19:48 pianohacker   I've been looking at indexdata documentation and that still horrifies me!
19:48 jcamins       Or... the refactoring could have been intended to make developers' lives easier while removing user-facing features as they used the LiveDVD instead of an actual installation, under Windows Me.
19:48 jcamins       *ME
19:48 rangi         heh
19:48 jcamins       ... on an iPhone.
19:49 drojf         lol
19:49 * jcamins     wins at horror.
19:49 jcamins       :D
19:49 * druthb      shudders
19:50 rangi         ok off to take kids to school
19:51 pianohacker   oleonard: Quick styling question: is it possible to have a dropdown in a toolbar (like in the marc editor, for instance), that doesn't have any behavior on the actual button, just in the menu options? Is that a horrifying idea? Do you have a better idea? :)
19:52 pianohacker   to give specifics, this is a quick Preferences/Settings dropdown in the professional marc editor I'm working on
19:52 oleonard      pianohacker: That sounds like the standard behavior of a regular menu button (as opposed to a split button)
19:52 jcamins       pianohacker: it is. Just don't add an additional button for the caret.
19:53 jcamins       As for whether it's a good idea, oleonard is the expert. :)
19:53 pianohacker   okay, thanks :) Happen to know where one is off the top of your head?
19:53 pianohacker   ^one^an existing regular menu button^
19:54 oleonard      pianohacker: the patron detail page toolbar
19:54 rambutan      I rather suspect pianohacker will be rich, famous and well-beloved at the successful completion of his very ambitious undertaking
19:54 pianohacker   oleonard: Perfect! Thank you
19:54 druthb        rambutan:  he's already two of those.
19:54 pianohacker   I'm a college student, so I'm damn well not rich ;)
19:55 jcamins       rambutan: I think druthb has a saying about pigs and lipstick that applies to cataloging interfaces.
19:55 pianohacker   so thank you druthb :)
19:55 rambutan      A marc editor has been the source of much grousing
19:55 pianohacker   and, well, yeah :) In jcamins terms, it will be as good as I can make it while still being very much a MARC editor
19:55 druthb        jcamins is nicer than I am.
19:55 druthb        Nice new shade of lipstick.
19:58 pianohacker   https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/tree/pci btw if anyone feels like poking at it
19:58 pianohacker   and to make things clear we have already decided that the bikeshed will be a nice sage color
19:59 pianohacker   LOC regulations, nothing I can do
20:01 jcamins       pianohacker: hey, do you know that your repo links to koha.org?
20:01 pianohacker   woah wat? That needs to be fixed
20:01 pianohacker   thanks jcamins. Shows how old that repo is
20:04 jcamins       Interesting. I like it.
20:04 jcamins       One question. How do you enter a dollar sign?
20:04 pianohacker   Glad to hear. Fixed fields/leaders are still very much a work in progress
20:05 jcamins       Two questions, actually.
20:05 pianohacker   jcamins: Dollar signs are only recognized as field delimiters if followed by [A-Za-z0-9%] and a space
20:05 jcamins       I trust you're going to increase the width of the dropdowns so that the whole letter appears?
20:05 pianohacker   oh, nuts. Wondered it that would show up cross-platform
20:06 jcamins       So, librarians had better enter $9.00 instead of $9. :)
20:06 pianohacker   jcamins: Yeah, going for a more robust approach on that
20:06 pianohacker   jcamins: Heh yup. My hope is that the syntax highlighting will make that clear :) How common are prices in MARC records outside of, say, the 300 field?
20:07 jcamins       Surprisingly common.
20:08 jcamins       Especially in prepublication records that libraries might download.
20:08 pianohacker   Okay, good to know. The editor supports $, | and the weird double-cross sign. May be worth it at some point to support disabling $ as a delimiter
20:09 cait          hah - my patch fixes 3 failing tests :)
20:09 pianohacker   woot
20:09 jcamins       How does the editing work? I don't see contenteditable turned on anywhere.
20:09 pianohacker   jcamins: Piles of magic: http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/blog/#cm-internals
20:10 pianohacker   Short answer: It steals input from an invisible textarea, and implements scrolling/bidi input/selection/etc. itself
20:12 jcamins       Very nice. I may use that idea for Biblionarrator. It looks much easier to do a two-way binding with than contenteditable.
20:12 pianohacker   I'd even recommend stealing CodeMirror wholesale if you can. The APIs can be quirky but it does a lot for you
20:12 jcamins       The idea I was talking about was "just use CodeMirror." :P
20:13 pianohacker   oh. well then! Cool.
20:13 jcamins       Where did you come across it?
20:14 pianohacker   The original prototype version of this I did ages ago used it, since all I wanted back then was textual marc + syntax highlighting. I'd heard that it had added a number of features since then, so it still seemed like a good fit
20:15 jcamins       Nifty. That doesn't come up early in search results when you're searching for a richtext editor, but I think I could make it work like richtext.
20:21 oleonard      I just pushed a new revision of my Bootstrap OPAC branch with updated behavior of the Cart button, hopefully more mobile-friendly
20:28 oleonard      And it's got DataTables! But some of them are broken.
20:29 oleonard      See you tomorrow #koha
20:29 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
20:30 mtompset      How do you roll your own distribution of Koha the second time?
20:31 jcamins       The same way you did the first.
20:32 jcamins       mtompset: if you mean packages, you can use debian/build-git-snapshot.
20:32 jcamins       If tarball, it's something like git archive ${BRANCHNAME}
20:33 mtompset      The first time, I did the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
20:33 mtompset      But what will a second pbuilder create do?
20:33 mtompset      overwrite the first one?
20:33 jcamins       Skip that step.
20:33 jcamins       Yes.
20:34 jcamins       You can skip the "Getting set up" section, since you -- presumably -- already got set up.
20:34 mtompset      Yes, I successfully packaged one package setup. :)
20:35 jcamins       Actually, there's even a section called "Updating your packages" which summarizes the procedure for updating your packages.
20:36 mtompset      okay... yes, that does seem like the section to jump to in the "second time" case. :)
20:37 mtompset      jcamins++
20:37 jcamins       And to prove how easy it is, "Updating your packages" is the same as "Building your packages" + "Deploy the packages."
20:39 mtompset      I was noticing the similarities. :)
20:42 * cait        is afraid that all this just can not work the way it was intended to.
20:43 mtompset      what work, cait?
20:44 cait          bug 10663 is still puzzling me
20:44 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
20:44 wizzyrea      cait if I have a chance I will look
20:45 cait          wizzyrea: oh it's just plain broken
20:45 cait          wizzyrea: holds of whatever kind don't block renwals ever in my testing
20:45 cait          testing with one branch and one item and multiple items etc.
20:45 wizzyrea      in master or what version
20:45 wizzyrea      becaue they certainly used to
20:45 cait          3.12 and master
20:46 cait          yeah, i only had a 3.6.10 to compare, but there it worked like i supposed it should
20:46 cait          there was some code optimization done in march, so that should only affect 3.12 actually
20:48 wizzyrea      ohh yea, reading that.. no surpirse that broke it
20:50 cait          what i wonder currently... we don#t seem to take the branch into account at all
20:50 cait          or if an item can actually fill he hold
20:56 cait          wizzyrea: the more i look at it
20:56 cait          the more i think that replacing Checkreserves with GetReserveStatus in places like Canbookberenewed was totally wrong.
20:57 cait          the more i think about it.... the more i believe that...
20:57 cait          because check reserves does so much more than GetReserveStatus
20:57 rangi         basically you revert that commit and fix the conflicts et voila it works fine again
20:58 rangi         imho regressions caused be refactoring should be reverted with extreme prejudice
20:58 rangi         just lucky im not RM hehe
21:00 cait          gmcharlt tried to revert
21:00 cait          he said it was not possible
21:00 cait          unlucky to have a library using that version...
21:00 gmcharlt      at least, not without potentiall reverting a buch of follow patches to reserves -- this was caught late
21:01 cait          that's how far i got with tests, but i am currently questioning if i understand how it works... and I think it can never work
21:01 cait          http://paste.koha-community.org/145
21:01 cait          CheckReserves was replaced by GetReserveStatus in CanItemBeRenewed,... which is the major point of my headache right now, but it's also been replaced in lots of other places
21:02 cait          and for checking for 'waiting' I think it's ok
21:02 rangi         yes, that was the point of the refactoring
21:02 cait          which is all it's used for in some places
21:02 cait          but CheckReserves does also check if the item can actually fill the hold I think... it's rather hard to read, but it looks for itypes and if they are not for loan etc.... so totally different thing
21:02 gmcharlt      rangi: note, that revert in the narrow sense is risky; undoing it is another matter
21:03 cait          it's 11pm now
21:03 cait          i have spent... 10 hours on it today - and I still have no idea how to fix it right
21:03 cait          with my patch most of the tests above pass - but i am stuck on how it actually can ever work for blocking renewals when there is a title level hold
21:04 rangi         cait: check out 8447aeccdbe10e3586c9707bb6a99a3e47d9908f
21:04 rangi         which is the commit just before the bad one
21:04 rangi         if title level holds dont work at that point
21:04 rangi         then thats seperate to this bug
21:04 rangi         if they do, then its not
21:05 cait          i don't think it's separate
21:05 cait          but i can try
21:05 rangi         that would prove that its not
21:05 cait          it's only that i have killed my db for writing the tests ;)
21:05 rangi         and in the commit message can we link to http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/
21:05 rangi         :)
21:05 cait          hm
21:05 cait          it's too late to try
21:05 cait          i would have to reconfiugre my whole database
21:06 rangi         annoying
21:06 cait          and loading a dump will not work because we most probably changed something in database structure that will give me trouble
21:07 jcamins       cait: updatedatabase should take care of any changes since the dump was made. Though it may take a while to run.
21:08 cait          jcamins: the dump is too new - not too old
21:08 cait          the commit fromrangi is at least 3 months back
21:08 cait          i have no dump so old
21:08 jcamins       Oh. I see.
21:09 cait          the refactor wa sin march, so some time before that
21:12 cait          maybe we just need to put back CheckReserves....
21:12 rangi         thats what id do
21:12 * cait        gives up for tonight. maybe someone else will fix it while i sleep? there is always hope :)
21:13 rangi         if we can revert that change to opac-user.pl with a git revert
21:13 rangi         id do a manual revert
21:13 rangi         ie a new patch that undoes it
21:13 cait          it didn't work perfectly... but it worked lots better than what we have now
21:13 cait          and the new one covers less, not more
21:13 cait          we will also have to revert circulation.pl
21:13 cait          i think
21:13 cait          that's the staff side of the problem
21:13 rangi         right
21:14 cait          and there are a couple of other places the new one got introduced, but those are the 2 i found to be buggy
21:14 cait          so far
21:14 rangi         yep
21:14 cait          in some of the other places we check only for waiting - that actually works
21:14 cait          because you have an itemnumber
21:14 rangi         yep
21:14 cait          and koha already figured out if the item can fill the hold
21:15 rangi         *nod*
21:17 pianohacker   jcamins: Bah, I should have asked this earlier, but could I ask you for a quick screenshot of the leader dropdowns?
21:18 jcamins       pianohacker: sure. One moment.
21:18 jcamins       It's actually just the 'm' that's cut off.
21:19 jcamins       Okay... that would make it difficult.
21:19 jcamins       Jing is running on the second monitor.
21:19 jcamins       But I don't have a second monitor connected right now.
21:19 jcamins       So, it'll have to wait until I'm at home, sorry.
21:19 pianohacker   jcamins: the 'm' under bibliographic level?
21:21 pianohacker   if that's all, that explains a bit. Thanks again for testing
21:21 jcamins       Yup.
21:21 jcamins       It looks very much like an 'n'.
21:21 cait          good night all
21:21 jcamins       Initially I was going to tell you that your plugin had the positions wrong, then I realized it was just a display glitch.
21:22 pianohacker   oh, haha, good. Even just the leader took some heavy staring on loc.gov to get right.
22:36 mtompset      Hmmm.... how do you debug a trailing whitespace git apply problem?
22:49 mtompset      Greetings, papa.
22:50 papa          hello!
23:00 jcamins       mtompset: you don't?
23:01 jcamins       You say "oh, great, git fixed it for me."
23:01 mtompset      and how do you tell git to fix it for you?
23:01 jcamins       Or, if git didn't, you fix your configuration so git will.
23:01 jcamins       git?
23:01 wahanui       git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
23:01 jcamins       ^^ somewhere on there you'll find either instructions or a link to instructions
23:24 pianohacker   good night, wahanui
23:24 wahanui       It'll all be over soon...
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23:57 dcook         morning #koha