Time  Nick         Message
23:49 tcohen       hi dcook
23:44 dcook        morning #koha
23:35 gmcharlt     jcamins: thanks :)
23:33 jcamins      Happy birthday, gmcharlt!
23:32 gmcharlt     thanks! :)
23:32 tcohen       happy birthday gmcharlt!
23:32 gmcharlt     tcohen: I'll happily collect birthday wishes in whichever time zone is most convenient ;)
23:31 tcohen       can i says happy birthday to gmcharlt or should I strictly stick to my timezone?
23:05 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @tararobertson: "@ranginui @kmlussier don't think it's useful for folks in the #egils or #KohaILS to take pot shots at each other. a bit perplexed."
22:37 wizzyrea     mtompset: you will be happy to know that the link has been fixed.
22:32 mtompset     I was going to say that is a pretty powerful fix, causing an earthquake. ;)
22:32 wizzyrea     and then I forgot what I was doing and started on something else
22:32 wizzyrea     >.>
22:32 wizzyrea     I was fixing it and then we had an earthquake
22:32 wizzyrea     I did
22:31 mtompset     wizzyrea: Did you get the tell pointing at the bad mibbit link on the support page?
22:24 aquaman      cjh: morn
22:20 rambutan     time for the ball game
22:17 wahanui      interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
22:17 wizzyrea     hm interesting
22:16 rambutan     I see that the KS State Librarian, Jo Budler, was selected as Library Journal's 2013 Librarian of the year.
22:16 wizzyrea     geonet is cool
22:15 rambutan     cool link
22:14 wizzyrea     http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/drums/wellington
22:14 wahanui      Earthquake is on the news
22:14 rambutan     Earthquake?
21:45 wizzyrea     jolty*
21:45 wizzyrea     it was decently jolyt
21:43 cjh          heh
21:43 ibeardslee   I had to restrain myself from breaking into the whisky to settle the nerves
21:41 wizzyrea     i'm sure it's in my mind it still feels swayish
21:40 wizzyrea     it wobbled for a good 45 seconds or so on L7
21:40 cjh          it felt like our building was doing a little dance
21:40 wizzyrea     well that was an earthquake.
21:37 cjh          aquaman: morning
20:26 pianohacker  bye oleonard
20:26 oleonard     Bye #koha
20:05 mjk          see you guys later.
20:05 cait         guess I won't amke it then
20:05 cait         ah
20:05 mjk          cait: in boston at a time to be deterimned
20:04 mjk          oh well. my evening planes becon.
20:04 cait         where and when? :)
19:59 mjk          *fridge
19:59 mtompset     flash mob cataloguing... Fame! I'm gonna live forever. ;)
19:59 mjk          also a smaller fridhe full of water for those who acre about things like nutrition
19:58 mtompset     open bar, but it isn't free. ;)
19:58 cait         flash mob cataloguing?
19:58 mjk          nope, but there's a full-szed refrigorator stocked with every kind of carbonated beverage known to man (including mexican coke)
19:58 mtompset     cataloging party... good idea. :)
19:57 oleonard     A cataloging party sounds like a blast. Is there an open bar?
19:57 cait         simple is good
19:57 cait         so forget what i said
19:57 cait         :)
19:57 cait         yeah that#s right
19:56 mjk          i'm trying to make this as simple as possible for people to use as a guide at a "cataloging party"
19:56 cait         sometimes helpful so you avoid scrolling
19:55 cait         have you seen you can also click everywhere ina line to bring up a context menu with the import link?
19:55 cait         sound sgood
19:55 cait         :)
19:53 mjk          k and with any luck, you will be presented with a list of one or more matching records. If there's more than one choice, you can preview the available records in either MARC form or in human-oriented "card" form. Pick the record that is most complete (this will usually be from Toronto) and import it using the "Import" link.
19:53 mjk          would anybody add anything to this description of the search process: Click the "Z39.50 search" button. This will bring up a window where you can input a number of search parameters, as well as selecting which library catalogs you want to query. Generally speaking, ISBN numbers offer the best parameter to search by, but for pre-ISBN books, author and title fields will get the job done. After you submit your query, Koha will get to wor
19:40 mjk          she'd actually signed them out... it's just that with the current system (self-signout sheets orgazined by author name) you never really know who has what without looking hard
19:39 mtompset     You forgot the evil cackle, pianohacker. Not good, if you are trying to up it. ;)
19:39 cait         i woud attach the barcode when adding the item - but that's really my preference and you shoudl do what works best for you :)
19:38 cait         like putting away books not found for later
19:38 cait         mjk: i think when doing everything from scratch, you already have the right idea
19:38 pianohacker  gmcharlt: That's a bit disappointing, was trying to raise my evil quotient this summer :)
19:38 cait         but that's always the problem...
19:38 cait         you will still rely on people to actually check out things
19:38 tcohen       bye #koha
19:38 pianohacker  oh wow
19:38 cait         mjk: heh
19:38 mjk          it came to a head when one member brought back three full grocery bags full of books and dvds and we realized that the current paper-based checkout system was broken
19:37 gmcharlt     pianohacker is decidedly not eeevil # cross-F/LOSS ILS project in-joke
19:36 drojf        mjk: cool! you will learn a lot. to hate MARC is one of the things. don't worry, it's normal :D
19:36 mtompset     You're Eeeeeeevil, pianohacker. :P
19:36 mjk          drojf: we're starting from scratch. nobody in the club ever took this on as a project before
19:36 * mtompset   laughs.
19:36 drojf        lol pianohacker
19:35 pianohacker  I forgot to add a test to dump a page of warning on every load on mtompset's machine only, shoot...
19:35 drojf        mjk: you are starting from scratch? (no old system, weird self-built databases or excel sheets)?
19:34 cait         if it adds warnings and stuff
19:34 cait         maybe also take a look at the logs
19:34 cait         and as you are the one who can test... also that it works
19:34 cait         oleonard: that it breaks nothing else :)
19:34 mjk          sok.
19:34 cait         you catalog the item after you added the record
19:34 oleonard     cait: Is there anything in particular you'd like me to look at?
19:34 cait         mjk: then i would leave the label out and leave that to the wiz as well
19:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
19:34 oleonard     cait: I tested Bug 10320 today and found it to work
19:33 mjk          right, but in my instruction i'm writing, the way of handling books for which z39.50 records can't be found is "put the book aside for a marc wizard to deal with"
19:33 cait         also you will see what's already in Koha as pianohacker said :)
19:32 cait         i think it's good if you don't have to touch the books all so often, so I would probably catalog the item and put the label in at that time
19:32 mjk          i generate them 300 at a time using gLabel and blank avery mailing labels
19:32 pianohacker  my instinct would be after; that makes it easier to tell what has and hasn't been actually cataloged
19:32 cait         what suits your workflow best :)
19:32 mjk          preprinted
19:31 drojf        mjk: that is something you can invent to your liking ;)
19:31 pianohacker  mjk: preprinted or koha-generated barcode labels?
19:31 drojf        heh nice
19:31 mjk          when cataloging books, should a barcode label be applied before a work is entered or only after it is fully cataloged
19:31 cait         not too much time in the hot sun
19:31 drojf        that sounds better than expected ;)
19:31 cait         we were pretty lazy this year which suits me fine
19:31 cait         it was nice :)
19:31 drojf        how was your trip?
19:30 drojf        of course i did!
19:30 gmcharlt     oleonard: dang it, you figured out my secret plot to confuzzle you!
19:30 drojf        hi cait
19:30 mjk          policy question for any real librarians hanging out here.
19:30 cait         you missed me? ;)
19:30 cait         hi drojf
19:30 * cait       hands oleonard a cookie
19:30 drojf        twist!
19:30 drojf        heh
19:30 cait         oh!
19:29 oleonard     Mystery solved.
19:29 pastebot     "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "That'll do it." (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/129
19:24 cait         international standard might be a bit too far ... but i think it doesn't really matter here :)
19:22 mjk          riented databases.
19:22 mjk          would fonlk consider this accurate:  Koha (our library software) is a complex and flexible piece of software, but the parts of it that you need to learn as a cataloger are pretty simple. When cataloging, you will be working primarily with two features, the Z39.50 search interface and the MARC record editor. MARC records are the international standard for the storage of bibliographic data, while Z39.50 is a standard for querying MARC-o
19:21 gmcharlt     oleonard: tried it, not seeing any problem
19:14 pastebot     "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gmcharlt: saved_sql" (65 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/128
19:11 gmcharlt     oleonard: could you send my a mysqldump of your saved_sql table?
19:03 cait         oleonard: can't reproduce :(
19:01 cait         oleonard: hm  could check?
18:58 oleonard     I even tried truncating my saved_sql table and adding one from scratch... Still showing duplicates.
18:58 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9396 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Saved reports listed twice
18:58 * oleonard   wonders why Bug 9396 affects only him
18:45 mjk          that will mean that i'll have to either create two versions or simply not include any NESFA-specific info in the text
18:42 mjk          maybe i'll do so after i've tested it on a bunch of nesfans.
18:41 cait         hm maybe ask nicole and put your documentation up somewhere to reuse for others?
18:40 mjk          I wonder if I should steal screenshots from the official documentation or if I should make my own
18:40 cait         but all people learn differently
18:40 cait         most videos are annoying
18:40 cait         yep
18:40 cait         pianohacker: yp
18:39 pianohacker  I much prefer words too. Most instructional videos are too slow
18:38 mjk          old school fen like words, preferably on dead trees
18:38 mjk          sych as i was linked to earlier
18:37 mjk          i meant watching an instructional video
18:37 oleonard     Who does?
18:37 mjk          a lot of people probably won't like dealing with videos
18:37 cait         hm that was not the trick
18:37 mjk          anyway, i guess i should write a quick and dirty intro to cataloging for my club
18:37 cait         !huginn botsnack cookie
18:36 wahanui      thanks druthb :)
18:36 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack cookie
18:36 mtompset     That's sad and hilarious (re huginn` )
18:36 huginn`      mtompset: downloading the Perl source
18:36 mjk          oh
18:36 mtompset     @what?!
18:36 oleonard     mjk: huginn` (a bot)  is complaining because you used the "@" in that message
18:35 huginn`      mjk: I suck
18:35 mjk          @mtompset, i tried to work with that data, but i couldn't get it clean enough for koha to recognize the record.
18:35 cait         so how is #koha today? :)
18:35 cait         i didn't get sunburnt this year - which is a first
18:35 cait         it was not too warm and we did the walking part early :)
18:34 oleonard     We've been complaining about the heat all day today, so I'm not sure if the nature part is good or bad
18:34 cait         i might take a break from icecream for a while now
18:34 cait         almost too much icecream
18:33 druthb       yay icecream!
18:33 cait         spent lots of time with the coworkers in nature and eating icecream
18:33 cait         we had our.. company outing? today
18:32 mtompset     mjk: The data is practically MRK format. You just need to tweak the lines to start with =, change LEADER to =LDR, and perhaps some space removing around the two bits before the subfield information.
18:32 druthb       We missed you lots n lots!
18:32 cait         that's sweet :)
18:32 cait         you missed confusing cait? :)
18:32 druthb       :D
18:32 oleonard     We missed you! :)
18:32 cait         huh?
18:31 oleonard     Our long international nightmare of caitlessness is over!
18:31 cait         hi druthb :)
18:31 druthb       Hi, cait!
18:31 cait         hi mtompset, mjk
18:31 druthb       mtompset:  tomorrow. :)
18:31 * mjk        waves back
18:31 mtompset     Greetings, cait.
18:31 * cait       waves :)
18:31 mjk          i tried and i couldn't get it to do it
18:31 oleonard     Really? Not that I know much about marcedit.
18:30 mjk          certainly marcedit won't touch it
18:30 mjk          into koha-readable marc
18:30 mjk          btw is there any program that can convert something like this: http://library.minlib.net/search~S1?/o43420152/o43420152/1%2C1%2C1%2CB/marc&FF=o43420152&1%2C1%2C
18:29 mtompset     Greetings, druthb. Happy anniversary. Is that today or tomorrow? I wasn't paying attention. :)
18:29 * druthb     waves to mtompset.
18:29 druthb       lulz
18:29 oleonard     mjk: That seems reasonable.
18:28 oleonard     No heat advisory for druthb because Texas.
18:27 huginn`      druthb: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 32.2°C (1:51 PM EDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).  Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... 
18:27 druthb       @wunder 45701
18:27 mjk          i'm thinking that my directions will be: do a z39.50 search and import the most complete record you can find. if you don't find anything (or you find a woefully incomplete record), set it aside for somebody who knows what they're doing to create from scratch (or do some copy-pasta from worldcat)
18:27 huginn`      druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 32.8°C (1:26 PM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
18:27 druthb       @wunder 77098
18:26 mtompset     I hear z39.50 makes cataloguing easier that way. :)
18:25 mjk          yes, when they exist
18:25 oleonard     mjk: Are you using Z39.50 to find existing records?
18:25 mtompset     Of course, that's not the current version of Koha, but it should cover general concepts, I think.
18:25 mtompset     http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/cataloging-in-koha-3-8-6382585
18:25 mjk          i taught myself, but after working for several hours, i was only able to get about 85 books barcodes and cataloged
18:24 mjk          i'm trying to teach non-catalogers how to catalog using koha
18:24 oleonard     Are you trying to teach non-catalogers cataloging, or catalogers Koha cataloging?
18:23 mjk          anyway, is there any good documentation to use a tuturial to teach complete novice volunteers how to catalog books or will i have to write it myself
18:22 mtompset     Yes. Confirmed.
18:22 huginn`      oleonard: The operation succeeded.
18:22 oleonard     @later tell wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/support/ still links to mibbit
18:22 mjk          has a link that uses mibbit
18:22 mjk          http://koha-community.org/support/
18:21 oleonard     Which page mjk? http://koha-community.org/get-involved/irc/ links to http://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha
18:21 mtompset     what link where is busted?
18:21 mjk          ah
18:21 mtompset     Yes, there was a discussion about that earlier today or yesterday.
18:20 mjk          it looks like the irc server banned mibbit
18:20 mjk          hmm. someone needs to fix the website
18:20 mtompset     Yes, perhaps inherited.
18:20 * mtompset   cringes, "DRM?!"
18:19 oleonard     mtompset: However, I'm not sure there is evil inherent in their nature or whether they simply absorb the evil in inherent in DRM
18:18 pianohacker  mtompset: they're an ebook provider
18:17 pianohacker  oleonard: It originally comes from OverDrive, not sure where it comes from on their end
18:17 oleonard     pianohacker: Where does the ratings data come from? I don't see a rating displayed on our OverDrive site
18:17 mtompset     Who set that?
18:17 * mtompset   laughs.
18:17 wahanui      OverDrive is evil.
18:17 mtompset     What is OverDrive?
18:16 pianohacker  thanks again for testing
18:16 pianohacker  excellent!
18:16 oleonard     pianohacker: The OverDrive search is working well for me now
18:16 mtompset     Did you arrive safely, jcamins?
18:15 mtompset     Greetings, koha.
18:08 * oleonard   just went outside briefly and regrets it
17:44 druthb       [off] ooh.  I bet she's a grumpy cait.  Or at least, a hot sweaty cait.
17:42 drojf        [off] i bet she is a happy cait, hiking at 30°C
17:42 drojf        [off] ah! right! and i just learned the word 'works outing' which sounds completely ridiculous
17:40 * druthb     has been missing her all day.
17:40 drojf        oh, it's one of those scary minutes when neither kf nor cait is here
17:39 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
17:39 huginn`      drojf: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013)
17:39 drojf        @quote random
17:38 drojf        lol
17:38 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
17:38 huginn`      druthb: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
17:38 druthb       @quote random
17:17 tcohen       [off] i'm sure i'll have a drink tonight at home beacuse of it
17:17 gmcharlt     tcohen++
17:16 tcohen       [off] kindof proud here heh
17:16 gmcharlt     [off] yep
17:14 tcohen       [off] ohloh says I reached 100 patches on master? is that true??
17:09 gmcharlt     oleonard: I'm not seeing it
17:06 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9396 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Saved reports listed twice
17:06 oleonard     Can anyone else confirm Bug 9396? Am I the only one?
17:02 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=538ab5631ef18640d1d9cac6e25ed2f9f2ef11cd>
17:01 rambutan     that ought to be a perfect patch
16:54 tcohen       s/patch/bug/
16:53 tcohen       this is a good patch that just god fixed :-D https://bugs.launchpad.net/raringautomatedsuggestions/+bug/939300
16:52 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10457: fix SQL error when using 'export select items data' in serials claims... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3834d1f2b4494d465c6d1ab72aa334100898a756>
16:32 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10553: make public lists available on OPAC login page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=651f810f68f82f4aac254c4a78bb6a4517dcb558>
16:17 pianohacker  oleonard: About to rebase those two patches on origin, I think that should solve the problem
16:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , check_uniqueness.pl does not work
16:05 oleonard     Bug 10483 is passed QA but I can't get it to work. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong?
15:53 pianohacker  Oh, no, appreciate the reminder
15:52 oleonard     Thanks pianohacker. I wasn't trying to bug you, just wanted to make sure that didn't get lost in the shuffle
15:52 pianohacker  (replaces the previous one)
15:52 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
15:52 pianohacker  oleonard: New followup patch for bug 10320, _should_ fix the issue you mentioned
15:32 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10559: remove spurious "statement handle still active" warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bab95cac5f43b034adec36ec62a8c8f7f520627>
15:16 reiveune     bye
15:08 tcohen       exactly
15:07 drojf        tcohen: i have that too and it is funny: if you scale down slowly in firefox responsive view the select boxes scale down slighty more than the search box. like, they start almost the same size and the smaller you make the window, the bigger the difference gets. (guessing you have the same in your screenshot, that snag.gy thing does not work for me)
15:06 tcohen       jcamins, r u already @home?
15:05 drojf        ah, alright
15:04 oleonard     drojf: No, that work isn't up yet
15:04 tcohen       besides that, looks great oleonard
15:04 tcohen       There's still a little scaling problem with the search box http://snag.gy/6ggNc.jpg
15:04 drojf        they are still different for me
15:03 oleonard     I worked a lot on making the Cart button behave like the Lists button yesterday and it was a more work than I expected!
15:03 oleonard     I might conditionally load some JS to pop the login form open in a modal window
15:02 oleonard     I agree with your point drojf and I'm pondering how to handle it.
15:01 drojf        oleonard: are you planning to keep the login link at the top and the login form on the start page? it would save me from loading a new page if the link would just send me all the way down to an anchor at the login form (on the mobile).
14:57 jcamins      member/member1 per news.
14:56 oleonard     Uh... Actually I don't remember if she gave us one?
14:55 tcohen       what was the demo user?
14:53 oleonard     wizzyrea++
14:53 oleonard     The update covers many of the issues people pointed out in the last round of comments
14:53 oleonard     Hey everybody I see that wizzyrea updated http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz
14:41 huginn`      rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 28.6°C (9:40 AM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
14:41 rambutan     @wunder 64507
14:40 druthb       hee hee
14:40 oleonard     I'll give Texas another hour to warm up before I start to complain about Ohio being hotter druthb
14:39 * druthb     wiggles her eyebrows at oleonard.
14:39 huginn`      druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 30.6°C (9:39 AM CDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:39 druthb       @wunder 77098
14:33 oleonard     The other half is filled with muggy oven-hot air.
14:33 oleonard     My glass is half full!
14:32 oleonard     At least our humidity is below 90% this morning...
14:30 huginn`      oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 32.8°C (10:30 AM EDT on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).  Heat advisory in effect from noon today to 7 PM EDT this evening...
14:30 oleonard     @wunder 45701
14:24 drojf        lucky me to sit inside a library ;)
14:23 eythian      looks a bit chilly there, drojf
14:22 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 28.3°C (4:13 PM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:22 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
14:19 huginn`      eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 29.0°C (3:15 PM BST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
14:19 eythian      @wunder bn1 1nb
14:07 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10597: fix Search to hold button on record details page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b77af9326232d8512527040c4984b7bdc167c388>
13:57 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10595: don't display OpacTopissue page when system preference is turned off <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04ca81bc358f1bc6425e1cef431d9e4abfc744d8> / Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be905428722522f1ace4e99d13ffcb5d11f65657>
13:53 drojf        well, a new collection society is in the making. i hope to outlive GEMA
13:51 drojf        yup
13:51 drojf        we don't even have a real youtube
13:51 eythian      GEMA does hate you all, it's true.
13:51 drojf        the google thing i mean
13:51 drojf        probably not available in germany because of copyright/license problems anyway
13:50 drojf        heh
13:50 eythian      drojf: we already have libre.fm :)
13:50 eythian      basically sorta like spotify, you have access to their whole catalogue for streaming.
13:50 drojf        so, it's a service that tracks what music you like? :P
13:49 drojf        never heard of it. it's amazing how ignorant i became of all things google ;)
13:45 eythian      liking google's All Access music thing now I've finally got access to it.
13:42 drojf        i think so. has been some time ago. i have to change something anyway so i will make sure to do that
13:41 jcamins      (because you have to change both, but the zebra file must be generated)
13:41 jcamins      You generated the zebra file from the xml, right?
13:41 drojf        jcamins++
13:41 drojf        thanks!
13:41 drojf        yay!
13:41 jcamins      That is the way you must do it.
13:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Failed QA , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
13:40 drojf        i added some indexes for bug 9972. i changed both biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl. now that marcelr asked, i am not sure if it is the correct way to do it. i ws thinking "have it as standard setup and in case someone builds their own later"
13:39 jcamins      Shoot.
13:39 jcamins      Heh.
13:39 drojf        i know you love those ;)
13:39 drojf        i'd have a DOM/zebra question
13:39 jcamins      What's up?
13:38 jcamins      Kinda.
13:38 drojf        jcamins: around?
13:32 drojf        marcelr++
13:01 mtompset     Shoot... I have to go.
13:01 mtompset     I experienced it when I didn't have a 64-bit repo forced on me.
13:01 mtompset     tcohen encountered it.
13:00 mtompset     the set-selections method wouldn't work.
13:00 mtompset     Actually, jcamins, there's a mutli-architecture issue on Ubuntu at least.
13:00 eythian      though they'd have to cpan some parts of it
13:00 eythian      that's true
13:00 jcamins      eythian: well, in principle you can use dpkg --set-selections.
12:59 mtj          i agree
12:59 eythian      especially as it's just documentation
12:58 jcamins      I still have no objection to providing that option to those who need it.
12:58 mtompset     It seems like such a difficult way to do things.
12:58 mtompset     So the question is, do we really want to allow people to install Koha without adding the Koha Debian Repository?
12:56 mtompset     Doesn't have to be installed.
12:56 mtompset     apt-cache show <package>
12:53 mtompset     just a second... going to try something.
12:52 eythian      well, yes. But I don't know how easy it is.
12:52 eythian      probably
12:52 mtompset     Can you list dependencies on a package without installing it?
12:51 mtj          (i'll paste this convo into the bug)
12:49 mtj          ok, i'm convinced - lets keep those files :)
12:49 mtompset     (or stock Ubuntu)
12:49 eythian      keeping in mind that not everything is in stock Debian.
12:48 eythian      and just use debian/list-deps to make it
12:48 eythian      it's pretty easy to do. I'd be inclined to say "you can use the package from the repos, or here's a list of dependencies."
12:48 jcamins      We're talking about thirty seconds once per release.
12:48 jcamins      mtj: we're not talking about a lot of effort.
12:48 mtj          thats the question, i think
12:47 mtj          but, there's extra effort in maintaining those files… is it worth it?
12:46 mtj          well, i basically agree with eythain
12:46 eythian      sure, it's not my place to dictate how people administer their systems.
12:45 mtompset     in Debian and Ubuntu?!
12:45 eythian      people may always have weird reasons to not want the packages, and we should allow them that.
12:45 mtompset     eythian: why?
12:45 eythian      no, that's not ideal
12:45 eythian      Oh, I see
12:45 jcamins      eythian: yeah, mtj suggested eliminating the package lists and just saying "there is a koha-deps package."
12:44 eythian      Because that's what they're good at.
12:44 eythian      However, you'd be best using the scripts that work out that kind of thing if you're making docs.
12:44 eythian      there is the koha-perldeps package, if that's useful for your cause.
12:43 jcamins      In which case it's just an installation documentation issue.
12:43 mtj          snap
12:43 jcamins      Though perhaps it's possible to get that information from a deb as well.
12:43 jcamins      Or to see what they're going to need to install.
12:42 mtj          so i guess the assumption is… people use that list of packages, to install some packages
12:41 jcamins      However, as I'm not RM anymore, I don't have a strong opinion. :)
12:40 jcamins      The package from the apt repo installs a bunch of packages.
12:40 jcamins      They provide a list of packages that require installing.
12:40 jcamins      Yes.
12:40 mtj          hmm, they do?
12:39 jcamins      I don't find them particularly useful, but they serve a very different purpose than a package from Koha's apt repo.
12:39 mtj          or, now that we have the packages mostly sorted - are they all redundant?
12:38 mtj          …i recall you saying that you still find those files useful
12:37 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8402 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Failed QA , generate 'install_misc/debian.packages' file from debian/control file
12:37 mtj          hey jcamins, would you take a peek at my last comment on bug 8402
12:37 mtj          hi all
12:31 jcamins      I've been in AL training a new medical library.
12:31 jcamins      Home.
12:31 mtompset     Where are you going, jcamins? Work related?
12:29 marcelr      hi mtompset
12:29 mtompset     Greetings, tcohen jcamins marcelr.
12:27 tcohen       *flight*
12:26 tcohen       have a nice flught jcamins
12:16 jcamins      Leaving for the airport in an hour.
12:16 tcohen       heh, hi jcamins
12:16 jcamins      tcohen: my hair is in a permanent state of uprising.
12:15 tcohen       not that it isn't, normally heh
12:15 marcelr      ;)
12:15 tcohen       really windy here, my hair is just a revolution taking place
12:14 tcohen       hi marcelr
12:14 marcelr      hi tcohen
12:14 tcohen       morning #koha
11:57 huginn`      khall: The operation succeeded.
11:57 khall        @later tell oleonard is there any particular reason the bootstrap btn classes don't/won't work in Koha? try making a button with the classes btn and btn-primary and you'll see what I mean.
11:39 wahanui      kai ora, nengard
11:39 nengard      hello
11:39 mtompset     Greetings, nengard.
11:39 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
09:30 huginn`      eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.2°C (10:30 AM BST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
09:30 eythian      @wunder bn1 1nb
08:54 wahanui      hi, eythian
08:54 eythian      hi
07:46 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.5°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:46 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
07:30 drojf        good morning #koha
07:19 dcook        night #koha
07:19 dcook        Home time!
07:05 dcook        Interesting...I didn't know that tinyint(1) would actually have quite a large range...
06:56 rangi        nice
06:55 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Beggingen, Beggingen, Germany is 24.1°C (8:55 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
06:55 cait         @wunder singen
06:53 dcook        Koha support companies are rather affordable
06:53 rangi        hmm if you can afford the license fees for crystal reports, you can afford a koha support compnay
06:53 * dcook      looks for another
06:53 dcook        Huzzah. Finally tested a patch for July...
06:52 christophe_c hello marcelr
06:52 reiveune     hi marcelr
06:52 marcelr      hi christophe_c  reiveune dcook and cait
06:45 christophe_c hello #koha
06:44 reiveune     dcook \o/
06:44 dcook        Hey ya reiveune :)
06:43 reiveune     hello
06:43 dcook        Huh...
06:35 cait         :)
06:35 cait         hi marcelr
06:33 marcelr      hi #koha
06:24 dcook        My thoughts exactly :)
06:23 cait         hm i fit kills you that will harm us long term, so better stop in time
06:22 dcook        Well...maybe not quite
06:22 dcook        I'm going to test a patch or two even if it kills me
06:22 cait         oh good :)
06:22 dcook        Thanks, cait :)
06:22 dcook        I think I understand now.
06:22 dcook        Apparently
06:22 cait         there are 2 Budget.t files?
06:21 dcook        Aren't those different tests?
06:21 dcook        vs perl t/db_dependent/Budget.t?
06:21 dcook        prove Budget.t
06:21 dcook        So...
06:19 cait         the amount of output it gives you varies, prove is less, perl is more
06:19 cait         just run prove or perl t/db...
06:19 dcook        ?
06:19 dcook        prove TEST.t
06:18 cait         hm let me see
06:17 dcook        I haven't done much with unit tests...
06:16 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name
06:16 dcook        cait, rangi: Any tips for testing bug 10535?
06:14 * dcook      wishes that he knew unimarc if only for the sake of testing...
06:13 * dcook      should get a t-shirt with that quote and an attribution to wahanui
06:12 wahanui      Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
06:12 dcook        Interesting
06:12 dcook        ...
06:12 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:12 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
06:12 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
06:12 dcook        @wunder konstanz
06:11 dcook        Making the rest of us look bad ;)
06:10 dcook        papa++
06:04 cait         lots of sign-offs!
06:04 cait         papa++
05:48 cait         hi dcook
05:48 dcook        hey ya cait :)
05:47 cait         good morning #koha
05:18 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ranginui: "cool another national library using #KohaILS, that makes it colombia, venezuala, malawi, and i forget the other 2 or 3 .. maybe maldives?"
05:16 rangi        so thats malawi, venezuala, colombia, hmm i know there are a couple more but i cant remember
05:13 dcook        w00t!
05:12 rangi        oh wow the colombian national library using koha now too
04:49 zebran00b    thx
04:47 wizzyrea     gl
04:47 wizzyrea     anyway, sorry have to run :/
04:47 zebran00b    I suppose
04:46 wizzyrea     cron mail?
04:46 zebran00b    but in the to: field as well?
04:45 wizzyrea     yep, if you don't fill in the admin email it will grab the address from the system
04:45 zebran00b    many are from <root@debian.debian>   to <root@debian.debian>
04:44 zebran00b    interesting, mailq says it sent out the sorts of msgs I'd expect in May, June, but not the past week
04:44 wizzyrea     so I'd investigate ways to troubleshoot *that* problem.
04:43 wizzyrea     because if outgoing mail is working from a linux server, Koha just works.
04:43 wizzyrea     could it be that a firewall is blocking the outgoing mail?
04:42 wizzyrea     :/
04:42 zebran00b    that's what I'm afraid of, its suppose to just be working
04:41 wizzyrea     i'll be straight - usually it just works.
04:41 zebran00b    hang on, I'll check
04:41 wizzyrea     does your maillog tell you anything?
04:40 wizzyrea     and do you have things in your mailq?
04:40 zebran00b    yup
04:40 wizzyrea     did you do a koha-email-enable instance?
04:39 zebran00b    about a month ago, so fairly new build
04:39 zebran00b    yes
04:39 wizzyrea     did you install with packages?
04:39 zebran00b    that's what I thought, but I'm wondering if its looking for email settings or packages that aren't there.
04:38 wizzyrea     there is no account.
04:38 zebran00b    There's a system pref for entering the email address to appear in the "From:" field, but I can't find any instructions for how Koha has access to that account in the first place.
04:37 zebran00b    when new patrons are created, even though system preferences are set so new patrons receive an email notification about their new account, it never goes out
04:37 zebran00b    So for example, when a patron creates a list and clicks "send list" they get an error message "Problem sending the list..."
04:35 wizzyrea     besides "send email"
04:35 wizzyrea     specifically?
04:35 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:35 wizzyrea     the first question?
04:34 zebran00b    Can't seem to get any automated email services working with Koha 3.12 or find instructions about email server set up in documentation. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
04:02 dcook        Consensus is that I'm not the Rock ;)
04:02 * dcook      checks with self
04:02 bag          unless you are the Rock
03:51 dcook        Note to self: Do not carry (empty) 8 foot tall bookshelves with one hand...
03:34 * Oak        waves
02:58 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
02:58 mtompset     Well, tomorrow is the weigh-in. *sigh* Not looking forward to it. Didn't have a good two weeks. Better get some sleep.
02:41 dcook        Not ideal or perfect but functional
02:40 dcook        I suppose the magic use restriction could still work..
02:38 dcook        Which rely on a record's 856
02:38 dcook        As you might have ebook items without urls
02:38 dcook        But that isn't foolproof either
02:37 dcook        I suppose a person could use the uri field...
02:36 dcook        But for "Copies available electronically..."
02:36 dcook        Which might work fine for "photocopy only"
02:36 dcook        I would still need to be using magic...but I could still use that field if I want to
02:36 jcamins      Yeah.
02:36 dcook        However, XSLT.pm grabs the authorized value descriptions, so the actual code is irrelevant
02:35 dcook        At first, I was annoyed because "restricted" in the items table of the DB is TINYINT(1)
02:35 dcook        Still trying to figure out that "Copies available for..." issue from yesterday
02:35 dcook        Well, maybe
02:35 jcamins      Yes?
02:33 dcook        Oh yes!
02:23 jcamins      And, one last change: could you add a link to kiwiirc? https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/#koha
02:20 jcamins      Thanks.
02:19 wizzyrea     and that points to oftc.
02:19 wizzyrea     ok, well I've changed every IRC link I found to point to the get-involved/irc one
02:17 jcamins      I thought you were saying both had the wrong link.
02:17 jcamins      No, there were probably only two.
02:16 wizzyrea     i think there were only two
02:16 wizzyrea     well poo now I can't find the third place.
02:14 * jcamins    is exhausted.
02:14 jcamins      Oh. Right. :)
02:13 wizzyrea     it's on that page I just linked
02:13 jcamins      wizzyrea: yeah, but there's a link to the OFTC web client somewhere, 'cause that's what I used yesterday.
02:13 jcamins      I followed a link ot OFTC webchat which doesn't work behind proxies or firewalls.
02:12 wizzyrea     oftc has blocked mibbit, full stop.
02:12 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/get-involved/irc/
02:12 jcamins      Three cases, then.
02:11 jcamins      Sure, except the link is bad on one.
02:11 wizzyrea     the two i've found though both point to mibbit. I could have SWORN I fixed that.
02:11 wizzyrea     naw, useful.
02:11 jcamins      Confusing.
02:11 jcamins      We apparently have links to IRC in two places.
02:11 wizzyrea     now I'm really confused.
02:09 jcamins      Oh, the support page still points to mibbit.
02:08 wizzyrea     it's all so cloak and dagger!
02:02 mtompset     I bet if you change the package line in the .bak version, it wouldn't care so much, dcook. ;)
01:36 dcook        Apparently, Perl doesn't like it when you have a Circulation.pm and a Circulation.pm.bak file
01:34 dcook        I could probably turn those off...
01:34 dcook        While we develop with Git, we deploy via other means that generate their own backups
01:33 dcook        Gitwhisperer?
01:30 * wizzyrea   whispers "git......"
01:27 mtompset     I thought it was Thursdays that should be damned. :P
01:26 dcook        Damned backup files...
01:26 dcook        Figured it out
01:26 dcook        Aha!
01:25 mtompset     Are you sure about Wednesdays?
01:25 dcook        Well, everyone already hates Mondays and Wednesdays
01:25 mtompset     You had to look up today's name to hate it?!
01:21 dcook        Maybe this is just a bad error message..
01:20 dcook        Items.pm should be exporting "GetItemnumberFromBarcode"...
01:19 dcook        Well, hate might be too strong a word
01:19 dcook        I hate Thursday :@
01:18 * dcook      looks at what day it is
01:07 mtompset     drojf is working on a similar, but different patch for OpacSuppression.
01:03 mtompset     Thanks, papa, for the sign off. It prevents data mining. :)
00:58 mtompset     Welcome back, wizzyrea. :)
00:54 dcook        All right, XSL. You're doing my head in a bit right now...
00:16 mtompset     It's so lame, it is funny.
00:16 mtompset     http://youtu.be/YZdEHtccpiE (How to punch a keyboard)
00:14 dcook        The walls are closing in, eh?
00:14 wizzyrea     i got attacked by a stucco wall the other day
00:14 dcook        I just remember being really frustrated when I punched the second thing (possibly the faucet)
00:14 * dcook      can't recall what he hit this morning or why
00:13 wizzyrea     lol.
00:13 dcook        Liz smash!
00:13 wizzyrea     but missed it by a loooong shot
00:13 * dcook      imagines hulk liz
00:13 wizzyrea     well I was reaching for a pen behind my keyboard
00:11 mtompset     BTW, wizzyrea, how do you accidentally punch a keyboard? Hit it with your hand during a body turn or something?
00:09 papa         mtompset: I know the feeling
00:09 * dcook      looks at the small scab on his knuckle
00:09 mtompset     as long as it wasn't with your face, you'lll survive. ;)
00:09 dcook        I accidentally punched...two things this morning
00:09 dcook        wizzyrea: Ouch
00:09 wizzyrea     i just accidentally punched my keyboard
00:08 wizzyrea     ow.
00:08 wizzyrea     .
00:08 dcook        Maybe I should use item type rather than use restriction...
00:08 mtompset     To be honest, papa, I was considering writing a simpler function into C4::Items, but that would require testing modules, and Lord help me... I got scared when I started to try to make sense of the C4::Items.pm tests in the ./t directory.
00:06 mtompset     Yuck. Failing silently is bad.
00:06 mtompset     Though, I agree the underlying functions could be optimized. :)
00:05 dcook        Ugh...apparently using codes other than a single integer works up until you try to give it to an item then it fails silently...
00:05 papa         ok, you win...
00:05 mtompset     The patch is to hide biblios, not optimize underlying functions. ;)
00:04 dcook        I was thinking of having longer codes
00:03 dcook        Well, that's one way
00:03 papa         hey mtompset, how about we put return () unless $biblionumber ) in GetItemsInfo()?
00:03 mtompset     ah, increasing the 0-9 to 0-9A-Za-z?
00:03 dcook        But using alphanumeric codes rather than just integers
00:02 dcook        Psh, not overloading :p
00:02 mtompset     How are you thinking of overloading the restricted column, dcook? ;)
00:01 * dcook      grumbles about the "restricted" column being TINYINT(1)
00:00 papa         umm you may be right...