Time Nick Message 23:54 tcohen but yeah, looks like i'm almost going to reno :-D 23:53 tcohen not sure how it went between the accountant and the travel agency 23:53 tcohen i got my plane reservation 23:52 mtompset Cool. 23:52 mtompset Did you get all the bookings sorted out? 23:52 tcohen another national university went live with 3.12 today 23:52 tcohen hi mtompset 23:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=275f405c8b3920634907e5e1f2ef8ccecf497868> 23:26 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 23:26 * mtompset chuckles, "AllowTooManyOverride -- nice name." 23:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1308 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1306 2 hr 29 min ago) 23:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10507 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Typo when warning about creating duplicate patron attribute 23:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly 23:00 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value 23:00 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly 23:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1307: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1307/ 22:52 tcohen oh 22:52 tcohen ph 22:52 tcohen yes cait 22:46 pianohacker good night, all 22:24 pianohacker jcamins: You around by any crazy chance? Was curious about Koha::Record 22:14 cait tcohen: looking forward to the weekend? :) 22:14 tcohen hi cait 22:13 cait hi tcohen :) 22:12 cait i will look at this again tomorrow, my clue to go to bed :) 22:12 cait ok, i AM too tired 22:11 cait ooh 22:11 cait and tell me if they can spot a difference? 22:11 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=18722 22:11 cait can someone take a look at this if/else here? 22:11 cait i might be too tired 22:11 cait hm ok 22:07 * Dyrcona forgot it is tomorrow in NZ. 22:07 * Dyrcona blinks. 22:03 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:55 PM CEST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 22:03 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:52 mtompset Bye, drojf. 21:52 mtompset Do try to get some good sleep. 21:52 drojf anyhow, going to bed. see you at 3am if i can't sleep again :/ 21:51 drojf :) 21:51 drojf not my bug 21:51 mtompset what about the case the biblio doesn't exist? 21:51 drojf or just leave it blank 21:51 drojf so you can change it to your needs 21:50 drojf what i am going to do is, have one line saying the access is bloicked and a syspref to customize the rest of the information. 21:50 mtompset good point on the "why is the item hidden". If it is hidden because they aren't allowed to see it, that is different than hidden/suppressed because they need to ask the library staff about it. 21:48 drojf but not for me. or if so, only as an additional option 21:48 drojf i don't think so. what i am doing is supposed to give you a hint. like "you can only see the details from within the university network". what you are doing is supposed to… probably not tell anything? and the no biblio available should give a hint on that. alternatively, that may be ok for you too 21:46 mtompset Though, I think 404 is the wrong output. 21:46 mtompset I figure if the biblio is suppressed, all the items are hidden, or the biblionumber does not exist, it will need to output the same thing. 21:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1307 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:45 drojf mtompset: i did not know that one 21:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10529 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Dollar sign hardcoded in patron message 21:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless 21:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) 21:44 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message 21:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name 21:44 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10490: DBrev 3.13.00.012 21:44 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values 21:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1306: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1306/ 21:44 mtompset cait: Oh thank you so much! (that's sarcasm, by the way) 21:43 cait i filed a bug for authorities giving you a 404 when you try to search fo ra non-existing one... if you 2 get bored... 21:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error 21:43 mtompset did you see bug 2318? 21:43 drojf either be redirected to a page that explains why you are not allowed to view the record or 404 if its "really" secret 21:42 drojf but i was thinking about it too, as an option 21:42 drojf not sure if it is technically ok to use a fake 404 21:42 mtompset It does work. I have the patch working and tested. 21:41 drojf does not seem like the straightest way to do it but will probably work 21:41 mtompset checking if all the items for a bibilio are hidden, and if so, changing the biblionumber to 0, to trigger the 404. :) 21:41 drojf i don't think anything should happen before the 404 check, but maybe that is just me ;) 21:40 drojf yes 21:40 drojf what are you doing before the 404? 21:40 mtompset Remember the hiddenitems conversation we were talking about? :) 21:40 drojf i did not want to, i just could not sleep 21:40 mtompset I'm working on a patch just before the 404. 21:40 drojf i do a redirection there too in acse the record is not allowed 21:40 mtompset drojf: Up until 5am?! Now that's commitment. ;) 21:39 drojf i mean the redirection to 404 21:39 cait drojf: tsk. 21:39 drojf i think 21:39 drojf yes i am. the beginning, after the 404, before it really starts 21:39 mtompset I want to know how bad a rebase of my patch will be if you get pushed first. ;) 21:38 mtompset Are you touching opac/opac-detail.pl? And if so, which part? 21:38 drojf half past actually 21:38 cait drojf: 5!! 21:38 drojf if it is a really fast question… ;) 21:37 drojf no bugging tonight, going to bed. don't want to stay up until 5 again 21:37 mtompset I wanted to ask you about a bug that cait was mentioning you were working on. 21:37 mtompset Hey, drojf. Just the person I wanted to bug. ;) 21:37 cait hi drojf 21:36 * drojf puts 5€ in the reallybadpun-jar 21:36 drojf relationship with a ray? … was it mj? 21:36 druthb :P 21:36 cait we will see when you are covered in skittles :) 21:35 mtompset ^since^sign^ 21:35 mtompset cait, it's virtual, so I think druthb perceives it more as a since of friendship rather than a way to hoard ammunition to have massive payback. :P 21:35 rambutan ic. well, sorta. sorta not, but that's OK 21:34 druthb rambutan: wiggling is what a kid does when they are bored. Wriggling is what a happy puppy does! 21:34 cait mtompset: about the skittles - you will only provide her with more ammunition 21:34 mtompset Then I don't suggest you try thinking about arrays in bash. ;) 21:33 cait especially in java. 21:33 * mtompset chuckles, "Nice answer, cait." 21:33 * cait has a difficult relationship with arrays 21:33 cait not using arrays? :P 21:32 mtompset which is more intuitive $array[$#array] or $array[-1], in your opinion? 21:31 rambutan >diff wriggles wiggles 21:30 druthb :) 21:29 * mtompset throws skittles at druthb in a pre-emptive strike since druthb threatened to throw some more often at him. ;) 21:27 * druthb wriggles happily 21:26 cait hi druthb 21:26 druthb Hi, mtompset! :) 21:25 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 21:25 druthb o/ 21:18 mtompset found it. 21:16 mtompset where is the qa tools repo again? 21:14 mtompset So, I should || 0 to kill the silent warning while I'm at it. ;) 21:13 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "mtompset - to answer your question, yes, but not in a useful fashion" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/112 21:12 gmcharlt depends if the default reaction is to shoot first ;) 21:12 mtompset decline? Wouldn't that cause an increase? Because the code would be fixed before it was broken. 21:11 Dyrcona heh 21:11 gmcharlt (to say nothing of the rise in temporal paradoces) 21:11 gmcharlt Dyrcona: which is why the population of programmes will suffer an immediate decline if anybody invents a time machine 21:10 mtompset And that's the worst kind of problem to have, Dyrcona. :) 21:10 Dyrcona pianohacker: When I run git blame to see what idiot wrote this, I most often my name on the line(s) in question. :) 21:08 mtompset is int(undef) obviously 0? 21:06 pianohacker yes 21:06 gmcharlt hence ... intent, which is something that often can't be deduced 21:05 gmcharlt mtompset: but even for comments that describe a block, there's a fine line with comments that end up providing no more information than what reading the code does 21:05 cait heh 21:04 pianohacker mtompset: use your best judgment, for example, the "will I wonder what idiot wrote this when I come back in a year" test 21:02 mtompset That example, is just plain overkill and stupid. 21:02 mtompset No, I meant commenting for a block of code. 21:01 gmcharlt $i++; # increment $i by one 21:01 gmcharlt i.e., please don't do this 21:01 gmcharlt but note that comments are best when they explain the *intent* of the code 21:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2614e07e1e2e6386b5f91e65f127940072e54d4d> 20:56 cait ^^ 20:56 pianohacker comments are good, no need to go crazy, but they're almost always helpful 20:55 mtompset Any suggestions as to whether or not one should "# this will blah" comment code in our patches? 20:54 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 20:54 mtompset coding guidelines 20:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e1f8caf609aa58eabf6f353d12ec25e0e8e23a0> 20:50 cait yeah 20:46 mtompset so it sounds like one of us will have to rebase our patch, depending on who is pushed first. 20:45 cait showing a message and also have a customizable area to add your own text with a syspref 20:45 cait i think drojf had a nice idea aboutthat 20:44 mtompset But he will have the same kind of what to do other than 404 question. 20:43 mtompset Ah, okay... not quite overlap then. ;) 20:43 cait but you are right, it's also true for opachiddenitems 20:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed 20:43 cait i was thinking bug 10195 20:43 cait ah 20:42 cait let me find it 20:42 huginn` cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9607 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , pagination wrong if OPACShowUnusedAuthorities set to "don't show" 20:42 huginn` cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove hidelostitems syspref 20:42 huginn` cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9966 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incorrect 404 when a search returns one result hidden by OpacHiddenItems 20:42 huginn` cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , hide withdrawn items 20:42 huginn` cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7386 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label batches cannot be batch deleted 20:42 cait @query opachiddenitems 20:42 mtompset it is already hidden in the results list. 20:41 cait it will hide it from the result lists 20:41 wahanui i guess that is a good idea. 20:41 mtompset where is that? 20:41 cait which i filed and drojf was working on 20:41 mtompset if you know the biblionumber, you can pull up the detail screen. 20:41 cait but there is a bug in that you can stll access the page directly 20:41 cait well it did when i tested it 20:41 mtompset Nope it doesn't. 20:41 cait actually 20:41 cait that should already work that way 20:41 cait hm 20:40 mtompset As for what is prompting my question, I am working on a patch to hide the bibilo detail, if all the items are OpacHiddenItems'd. 20:39 mtompset ^pull^pulls^ 20:39 mtompset for example, still pull up a koha 404 page inside of the nice OPAC theme. :) 20:38 mtompset http://192.168.45.201/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=999999 20:38 mtompset I think tcohen fixed it in staff. 20:38 cait hm, or we fixed it in staff... i know it was only one or the other 20:38 cait what's prompting your question? 20:38 mtompset because OPAC still does the 404 thing. 20:37 cait hm that sounds like we fixed it in the opac a whlie ago 20:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error 20:37 mtompset Out of curiosity, does anyone know if someone started a new bug related to bug 2318? 20:37 cait heh, i might be in a weird mood too - i feel like I am finally not totally overtired for the first time this week 20:35 mtompset Just chalk this up to a communication failure and that I understand what you mean, but can't express it. ;) 20:34 cait not sure i get you - but i was serious, it's something special always that i can fix things and make it work better. even if it might be a bit silly :) 20:33 mtompset For me, it's the community expressing love. :) 20:33 mtompset You said happy. 20:33 cait hm? 20:32 mtompset cait: Congratulations on the love you feel triggered by a patch making it in. :) 20:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1306 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ced4ca4e2d39856b4f00411eaee406b569199c1f> / Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d930649065663325de95c3f8ecdbcea3bddb3b5> 20:28 cait intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-recieve.tt:86 20:28 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=7d930649065663325de95c3f8ecdbcea3bddb3b5&st=grep&s=recieve 20:28 cait and i meant recieve of course... there are more typos with that one 20:27 cait i will see if i can find the one i was thinking about 20:27 cait looks like you are really busy :) 20:27 pianohacker been helping a coworker with serials migrations lately 20:26 pianohacker nope, column in subscription history 20:25 cait pianohacker: there is file named receivesomething, are we talking about that one? 20:25 cait makes me happy every single time it happens heh :) 20:25 cait :) 20:25 cait my patch made it in! yay! 20:22 pianohacker hehe 20:21 * gmcharlt laces up running shoes 20:21 gmcharlt don't you mean beeting? 20:21 pianohacker they should wthdraw their spelling mistakes or recieve a good beating, I'd say 20:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10490: DBrev 3.13.00.012 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e504b6f53c234cb3f786435e6fb8380379bac7b8> / Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16c57940441aac62c1c90538f3c7b7cd386e6d92> 20:20 pianohacker why do they do these things to us? 20:20 * gmcharlt winces 20:20 pianohacker gmcharlt: recievedlist in subscriptionhistory rather than receivedlist :( 20:17 gmcharlt howdy 20:09 cait hi mtompset and gmcharlt 20:09 mtompset Greetings, cait gmcharlt. :) 20:08 cait :) 20:02 mtompset Thanks, gmcharlt. :) 19:55 mtompset "Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes." might be a better topic. :) 19:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:08 tweetbot [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Migration de Loris à Koha au SCD de l'Université Paris Sud: la méthode choisie et les différentes étapes: http://t.co/txmkDsNP7H #KohaILS" 18:37 pianohacker It's clint eastwood, he was in westerns, it works kinda :) 18:37 pianohacker hahahaha well 18:36 rambutan hi drojf 18:35 oleonard Sorry bub, that's not a western! 18:35 pianohacker "Now, in all that excitement, I lost track of whether my Zebra reindex failed 5 times or 6" 18:34 * oleonard uh... menaces pianohacker with another cowboy-related metaphor 18:33 drojf good evening #koha 18:33 pianohacker boy, there's only room for one sysadmin in this town 18:32 oleonard Yeah, a cowboy! I'm going to go find a Koha someone already installed and rustle it. 18:31 pianohacker live a little, oleonard, install Koha like a cowboy! 18:10 oleonard I'm probably following the install instructions too closely, not stopping when I should be saying "Whoa, that sounds dumb, I'm not going to do that!" 17:43 jcamins Huh. I haven't had any problems with git installs recently. 17:41 pianohacker oleonard: After several git installs, I did my most recent one by hand, without Makefile.PL. Editing the conf files was a bit tedious, but the rest of it was actually easier 17:31 oleonard Dangit, zebra permissions *always* trip me up on a new dev install. 17:26 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks, i want to drop it from my TODO list 17:14 gmcharlt tcohen: in principle; would have to test it 17:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Choose language using URL parameters in any page 17:12 tcohen gmcharlt: r u ok with the followup for bug 9735? 16:35 gaetan_B bye ! 16:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css 16:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , No way to disable english 16:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css 16:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10560: add regression test 16:29 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English 16:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1305: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1305/ 16:20 wahanui rambutan: bugger all, i dunno 16:20 rambutan wahanui: loris? 16:20 rambutan loris? 15:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "2e itération effectuée. Développement d'un plugin pour comparer les données d'exemplaires de Koha et Loris. #KohaILS" 15:35 eythian Should set up a test vm and try it to be sure. 15:35 eythian there are/were issues with apt and multiarch resolution, but I haven't heard about them in a while. 15:34 jcamins eythian: cool. Guess the Ubuntu instructions could be updated. 15:34 eythian jcamins: I think it works fine 15:31 jcamins Nah, dpkg installs individual packages, it just can't install dependencies. 15:31 kf bye all and have a nice weekend :) 15:31 pianohacker interesting. Does it install everything, even bare .dpkgs, through apt or what? 15:29 jcamins Yeah. I never looked into the issue, but I understand that Ubuntu (and maybe Wheezy now?) default to allowing you to run i386 code on amd64 systems (logical), but dpkg is not (and possibly will not?) able to handle that. 15:28 pianohacker well, that's rather spectacularly unintelligent 15:27 jcamins Apparently. 15:27 jcamins It tries to install i386 packages on amd64, resulting in things failing spectacularly. 15:26 wahanui is Godot coming? 15:26 pianohacker wait what? 15:26 oleonard How so? I thought I used it in previous installations. 15:25 jcamins oleonard: because dpkg is broken under Ubuntu. 15:24 oleonard Why don't the INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 instructions say to use dpkg like the debian instructions do? 15:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1305 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:12 khall you too! 15:10 kf have a nice weekend! 15:10 kf :) 15:10 kf oh good heh 15:10 khall I can pass qa on that now, thanks for the clarity ; ) 15:10 khall kf, that makes sense now. i don't know why I didn't realize that earlier. Passing though that update will badly round the numbers. 15:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=986f7a24e8abe566d57a3488a8df87488ab3aeb6> 15:09 kf which will happen - this database update messes up data 15:09 kf my goal is to don't have people lose data. 15:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) 15:09 kf just wondering if you could take alook at my comment on bug 10490 15:08 khall kf: I've gotta run, but I'll be back shortly 15:08 kf khall: around? 15:07 reiveune bye 15:00 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10560: add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2bb7af21666ca61f65fb3163d8449823f5cab4b> / Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38f596d48e19c8f7890caea7a6eb59b6174cf5fa> 14:21 tcohen interesting maximep 14:17 maximep works better when I type in half french/english than swype 14:16 maximep swiftkey 14:13 tcohen don't u use swype maximep? 13:57 maximep not regular words :p 13:55 eythian at least on the command line, and why would you be anywhere else? 13:55 eythian tab does autocomplete. 13:53 maximep you know you typed too much on your cellphone when you expect tab to autocomplete your words 13:52 maximep good morning =) 13:52 oleonard Cool, it'll be nice to finally meet you in person 13:51 khall that's the plan! 13:51 oleonard khall, you coming to Reno? 13:50 oleonard Hi maximep 13:41 khall I'll have to give it another run-though to see what I get 13:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10382 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves 13:40 oleonard Sorry khall I get the same results as jcamins on Bug 10382 13:35 khall that'll do it! 13:33 oleonard Oh I see my problem. I randomly added an item which turned out to be lost, so the remove link is replaced with "item lost" 13:32 khall In the course details, you'll see a list of items on reserve for that course, there is a remove link for each item. 13:31 oleonard How do you remove an individual reserve from a course? 13:30 khall yo 13:30 oleonard khall around? 13:21 * oleonard laughs at pianohacker's comment in yesterday's IRC log "oh god acquisitions nvm" 12:52 tcohen morning #koha 12:07 oleonard Hi #koha 11:35 rhythem yeah i hope :) 11:35 eythian np. I'm sure it'll be pretty straightforward once you see however it's set up. 11:34 rhythem thanks anyway for all the help :) 11:34 rhythem ahh ok i'll work it around a bit then 11:34 eythian (and I have other work to be doing right now.) 11:34 eythian I haven't used it in forever so I don't know how it's set up. 11:34 rhythem wait a sec 11:33 eythian you should find the phpmyadmin configuration and make sure it contains what you need it to. 11:32 rhythem what details do you need i'll give u 11:32 eythian there's more to it than that, e.g. I don't know anything about how your system is configured to access phpmyadmin. 11:31 rhythem 8080 is koha, /opt/lampp/htdocs is 4080 11:29 eythian it's possible it's still on :8080, but I really don't know how your system is set up. 11:29 rhythem http://127.0.1.1:4080/phpmyadmin* but it gave a 404 error 11:28 rhythem now i trued http://127.0.1.1:4080/phomyadmin 11:28 rhythem and i used to access it via localhost/phpmyadmin 11:28 rhythem i had phpmyadmin istalled in lampp 11:28 rhythem :D 11:28 rhythem ahh new error "D 11:26 eythian ah cool 11:26 rhythem thanks everybody :) 11:26 rhythem i was not listening to port 4080 in apache's ports.conf 11:26 eythian well the change you made will have put them on different ports. 11:25 rhythem finay i did all 11:24 rhythem no i dont want to mess with koha setting i just want my server to be able to point to koha and some other websites that i created in /opt/lampp/htdocs which happened to be the default localhost directory for lampp 11:23 eythian You need to modify the file that does. It's possibly called 'koha' or something like that, depending on how you've installed it. 11:23 eythian you changed 000-default, however that isn't the file that manages the apache settings for koha. 11:22 rhythem i dint get you ? 11:22 eythian you probably don't want to change the default, you want to be changing the file that controls koha. 11:21 rhythem but this doesnt seem to work for me 11:21 rhythem going by the link i tried to change my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default file to this http://pastebin.com/ArwAKM6y 11:16 rhythem okk let me just go through it once 11:14 eythian The first link in the User's Guide is "Binding to Addresses and Ports", that's a likely place to start. 11:13 jcamins Ah. In that case eythian's link should walk you through it. 11:13 rhythem yea i know that basic stuff i dont know how to change this port thing and ol 11:12 jcamins A capsule summary would be that the web server can show you different sites on different ports (like 80 and 8080 for the OPAC and staff client), but only one thing per port. 11:11 jcamins I haven't read it, but if you're new to web servers, an introduction seems to me like a good start. 11:11 jcamins rhythem: here's an introduction to Apache that might help: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/other/an-introduction-to-apache/ 11:10 rhythem what do you mean by port for something ??? i am a but amature at this so please explain if you dont mind 11:09 eythian ah yes, I missed that. jcamins is quite right. 11:09 jcamins rhythem: Koha will not work installed in a subdirectory. Your best bet is definitely to change the port for something. 11:09 wahanui OK, eythian. 11:09 eythian wahanui: apache documentation is at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ 11:09 wahanui eythian: huh? 11:09 eythian wahanui: apache documentation 11:08 eythian apache is quite well documented. 11:08 eythian Not really, I don't know anything about your setup. However, I'd start here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ 11:07 rhythem could you please help me with this? 11:07 eythian It is quite possible, but you're going to have to configure apache to let that happen. 11:06 rhythem isn't it possible that i write something like localhost/koha and it takes me to koha directory??? 11:06 rhythem basically i want to be able to view multiple websites along with koha on my system 11:05 eythian you'll have to configure them. I don't know where lampp has its configuration, but apache's is in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled on a Debian or Ubuntu server. 11:04 rhythem how would i do that?? 11:03 eythian oh, in that case you'll have to move one of them to another port. 11:02 rhythem this url takes me to localhost directory which is not my koha installation directly 11:02 rhythem now when i start lampp 11:02 rhythem to view koha i have to use url 127.0.1.1:8080 11:02 rhythem see 11:01 eythian it might be that it's running its own web server on port 80, and that will conflict with apache. 11:01 eythian what do you mean by stopping/starting lampp? 10:59 rhythem i have to stop lampp server to view koha installation files on browser and to view phpmyadmin i have to start lampp and inturn this stops me from viewing koha' 10:59 rhythem my problem is 10:58 rhythem now i am in koha logged in properly 10:58 rhythem i ran koha and was able to start it 10:58 rhythem eythian i am having a problem 10:57 eythian rhythem: probably 10:51 rhythem someone there? 09:34 eythian *here's 09:34 eythian in case membership at your library is flagging, hows how you get them back: http://cheezburger.com/7562739200 09:05 wahanui hey, eythian 09:05 eythian hi 09:05 kf those are not compatible 09:05 kf but if you did a standard, you are not doing a git installation 09:04 kf hm not sure about the path then 08:58 rhythem i did a standard installation 08:58 kf if it's dev it might be in /home/koha-dev/... 08:57 kf the conf file will be in different places 08:57 kf dev or standard 08:57 kf depending on what kind of installation you did from tarball 08:57 rhythem yea i granted all privledged 08:57 kf see here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Create_MySQL_Database_and_Grant_Privileges 08:56 kf have you granted the rights to that database to the kohaadmin user? 08:56 rhythem how to check what i told the makefile? 08:56 rhythem but still the same error 08:56 rhythem username kohaadmin'@'localhost 08:56 rhythem named koha 08:56 rhythem did 08:56 rhythem i just di 08:53 kf did you create a database in mysql? 08:53 kf you probably told it something wrong when running the Makefile process 08:53 kf koha can't connect to your database 08:53 kf that's a clue 08:53 kf ah 08:52 rhythem but i got Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 646. now 08:50 rhythem i dont know how but the websetup started 08:40 rhythem should i remove lampp from my pc? 08:38 rhythem i did a git clone and got a connection refused error so i did a tarball instead 08:36 kf still trying to figure out what you did so far 08:36 kf so did you do a git clone at some point? 08:36 kf hm 08:36 rhythem i have to perform basic modification in koha files and that is purely for my personal use not like i am putting it somewhere i just want to test koha on my PC 08:34 kf do you want to to development? or just do some testing of koha? 08:33 kf what's the goal of your installation? 08:33 kf you said you wanted to do a git install 08:33 rhythem i did everithing and i just cannot proced to the step of web install 08:33 rhythem yeah 08:33 kf that's instructions for tarball 08:33 kf hm 08:30 rhythem http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball 08:29 rhythem just a second 08:29 rhythem lemme give its link 08:29 rhythem i guess yes i did manual 08:29 kf have you followed a manual so far? 08:29 rhythem what should i do? 08:28 kf ok, that's good 08:28 rhythem i just want to run web setup somehow 08:28 rhythem ubuntu 12.10 08:28 kf in which OS? 08:28 kf you want to do a git install 08:28 kf :) 08:28 kf so what are you trying to do? 08:28 kf i am trying to 08:27 rhythem what to do then???? please help 08:27 kf ok, never mind wahanui. 08:27 kf hm. 08:27 kf forget a xampp for linux 08:27 kf forget xampp 08:27 kf forget xampp for linux 08:27 wahanui okay, kf. 08:27 kf ah, there is also a xampp for linux... 08:26 kf are you trying to install koha in windows? 08:25 kf hm sorry, i can install koha, but system administration is not my strong area 08:24 rhythem seems like i am having a bad day :L( 08:24 rhythem Cloning into 'kohaclone'... fatal: unable to connect to git.koha-community.org: git.koha-community.org[0: 188.8.131.52]: errno=Connection refused 08:24 rhythem i am trying a git install and i got this 08:23 rhythem tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22923/httpd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22923/httpd unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 141783 31468/httpd /opt/lampp/logs/cgisock.31439 08:22 rhythem although i changed it in httpd-conf 08:22 rhythem netstat -nlp | grep httpd command did not show apache listening to 8080 :/ 08:20 rhythem could it be because i have xampp already installed on my pc? 08:20 rhythem both 08:20 rhythem i has Listen 80 and Listen 8080 08:20 rhythem yea i did that 08:17 kf does it listen on 8080? 08:17 kf hm have you activated port 8080 in apace? 08:17 kf hm? 08:10 rhythem gives unable to connect error in firefox :/ 08:09 rhythem 127.0.1.1:8080 08:09 rhythem i stilll cannot launch web setup 07:48 wahanui i guess kf is very interested in accessibility 07:48 rhythem kf? 07:47 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 07:47 kf packages? 07:46 rhythem ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists 07:46 rhythem sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha 07:46 rhythem sophi_m can you help with this error 07:35 wahanui wish i knew, rhythem 07:35 rhythem wahanui i didn't get you?? 07:34 rhythem can anyone explain this to me? 07:34 rhythem ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists 07:34 wahanui i already had it that way, rhythem. 07:34 rhythem i am getting an error 07:28 christophe_c hello #koha 07:27 rhythem thanks dcook 07:27 dcook Good luck, rhythem 07:27 dcook Anyway, I have to run 07:26 rhythem oh ok.. i'll continue with the steps then 07:26 dcook I think I've got that as well when running it on localhost 07:25 dcook Mmm, I think that might be more of a warning than an error 07:25 rhythem i got this on apache2 restart 07:24 rhythem apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName 07:24 rhythem i am getting an error 07:20 rhythem dcook i'll do that 07:20 rangi 3.12.1 is the latest release, but at 3.12.0 should be ok 07:20 dcook In that case, I would keep following those install steps, rhythem. 07:19 rhythem i just checked it is not 3.0.0 it is 3.12.0 07:19 rangi please let us know so we can move it 07:19 rangi i don't know where you would even have found it to download :) 07:18 rangi 3.0.0 was released in 2008 07:18 rangi stop, and start with something from this decade 07:17 rangi serioulsy 07:17 rangi do not install 3.00.00 07:17 rhythem i rant the commands just above pre web install 07:16 rhythem Koha's files have now been installed. In order to use Koha's command-line batch jobs, you should set the following environment variables: export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib For other post-installation tasks, please consult the README. You have new mail in /var/mail/root 07:16 dcook So where are you up to? 07:16 rhythem yes dcook i used these instructions 07:14 dcook ? 07:14 dcook You're using the instructions at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball 07:14 rhythem yes i did answer a lot of prompts 07:13 dcook Did you answer lots of prompts after make install? 07:13 dcook Having not done a tarball like install for a while...I'm not sure that's even the point that you're at 07:12 rhythem dcook: please can you explain how can i do that? 07:12 dcook You do that by visiting the intranet page designated in your Apache config 07:11 dcook rhythem: I've only package and git installs (the latter a while ago), but it sounds like maybe your next step is to run the web installer 07:10 rhythem cant i install koha on localhost with preinstalled lampp server?? 07:09 rhythem i think i installed it correctly as "make test" did not give any errors, also i have all the pre requesits installed 07:09 sophie_m 3.00.00 is not supported any more 07:08 sophie_m and the last stable version of koha is 3.12.00 07:08 rhythem i used tarball 07:08 sophie_m git, package, tarball... 07:07 rhythem koha version 3.00.00 , i am sorry but what do mean by kind of installation? 07:07 dcook Packages are 100x easier than compiling from source/using the tarball 07:07 dcook I'm just about to head off, but rhythem, you might find the following useful: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 07:06 sophie_m Which version of koha, what kind of installation ? 07:01 rhythem install documentation does not seem to help me 07:01 rhythem ok i installed koha on my localhost machine (UBUNTU 12.10) , but i am not able to procede any further after the make install command as in i dont have any clue of what to do next 07:00 sophie_m if you want some help you should tell us more about your probem 06:59 rhythem koha* 06:59 rhythem i need some installation help in kohaa 06:59 sophie_m hi rhythem, what kind of help ? 06:58 rhythem need some urgent help 06:57 rhythem anyone there? 06:54 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 06:53 gaetan_B hello 06:35 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "A relire : La newsletter BibLibre du mois de Juillet - https://t.co/EnklNfv8lc #Kohails #Drupal #Piwik" 06:28 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:28 reiveune hello 05:44 cait hi dcook :) 05:38 dcook hey ya cait :) 05:36 cait good morning 03:51 mtompset Well, have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. 03:42 mtompset that might be next. 03:42 dcook Submitting is probably a good idea 03:42 mtompset perhaps that result count is wrong problem. 03:42 mtompset Well, just coded up a patch for another thing. I really need to get to submitting some of these. 03:41 mtompset No, his name wasn't mary. :P 03:41 dcook Touché 03:40 mtompset I remember a kid bringing a lamb to school and having it poo pellets over the floor. ;) 03:40 dcook Advantages of country schools I suppose 03:40 dcook I do remember seeing a goat being milked in kindergarten... 03:40 dcook But the question was "why are there cows on the label?" 03:40 dcook It could... 03:39 mtompset Well, it could come from goats, etc. :P 03:39 ibeardslee ?!?!? 03:39 dcook Even though there were cows on the label 03:39 dcook I went to school with people who didn't know milk came from cows 03:39 mtompset I know, but still. You would think people would remember Canada. 03:39 dcook Just so that all the states are in the same box on the map 03:39 dcook Off on the pacific side 03:38 dcook Now that I think about it...lots of US maps do show Alaska as an island, I think 03:38 dcook Ooohhh. 03:38 dcook Wow.. 03:37 dcook I meant the Paul that lives in Ontario 03:37 mtompset http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/unforgivable-geography-mistake (like Alaska is an island ;) ) 03:35 mtompset dcook: That's okay. Everyone has their own geographic challenges. 03:32 mtompset You mean the paul who doesn't listen to advice? ;) 03:29 dcook Been to Sudbury and been to Toronto. That's about it for my Ontarian experience 03:29 dcook Being a westerner, I don't know much of your strange province ;) 03:29 dcook I seem to remember Paul A living...somewhere in Ontario...that started with a P? 03:29 dcook I knew that part, but I didn't realize that you were in/around Toronto :p 03:26 mtompset Been here since November last year. 03:26 mtompset Yes, I'm in Canada. 03:26 dcook mtompset: You're in/around Toronto these days? 03:26 dcook Mmm cauliflower 03:25 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is 18.0°C (11:00 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 03:25 mtompset @wunder l7e5y5 03:25 mtompset I so wish to try doing that sometime. 03:25 mtompset And the diet I'm on... someone actually made a cauliflower-based pizza. 03:24 mtompset oregano goes well with a meat lovers pizza. ;) 03:14 dcook I see what you mean about "when it's cool" 03:14 dcook 25 at 11pm? 03:13 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 25.5°C (11:02 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 03:13 dcook @wunder forest hills, new york 03:12 dcook Actually, I had it the other day with actual cheese rather than soy cheese, but my body didn't seem to like that too much 03:11 dcook My favourite pizza in town is potato and rosemary with soy cheese...mmm 03:11 dcook No, but that sounds delicious 03:06 jcamins Well, is your pizza made with cashews, rosemary, and only a soupçon of cheese, but no sauce? 03:06 dcook Must be all the salt.. 03:06 dcook Soy cheese is also surprisingly good on pizza 03:06 dcook Although now I'm craving my partner's vegan pizza 03:05 dcook Depends on your definitions of flatbread and pizza, I suppose 03:04 jcamins That's what you call pizza when it doesn't look like regular pizza. 03:04 jcamins Yeah. 03:04 dcook Flatbread? 03:04 dcook Mmm, pizza 03:03 dcook Alas, our basil plants are dying after taking a pounding from the rain. The potatos are growing like champs though. 03:03 jcamins When it's cool, flatbread or pizza. 03:03 dcook All this talk of peanut butter, jam, and bread really has me craving pesto though... 03:02 dcook What's your fallback meal? 03:01 dcook You're also a far better cook than I am ;) 03:01 * dcook is sure he can think of more clichés 03:01 * jcamins doesn't like peanut butter or jam on bread. 03:01 dcook The more things change, the more they stay the same? 03:01 dcook At least, that was the case 20 years ago 03:00 dcook I like jam but not with my PB 03:00 dcook *Just* 03:00 jcamins With jelly, or *just* peanut butter? 03:00 dcook Om nom nom 03:00 dcook On some tasty multigrain bread though 03:00 dcook Just regular ol' peanut butter sandwiches 02:59 jcamins What's for lunch? 02:59 dcook Mmm, hunger really is the best spice 02:58 drojf heh 02:56 dcook Then I would know all the things 02:56 dcook Not too sure myself. Alas, if only there were more of me or more time... 02:53 drojf [off] i know somebody is working on "RFID in koha", but i don't know what that means exactly. my question if there is going to be an RFC remained unanswered 02:51 drojf not sure in what ways you could use koha with rfid 02:51 drojf i suppose that is how all folks are doing selfcheck machine things 02:50 dcook I think that's how some folks are doing RFID with Koha? 02:50 dcook Mmm, sip is another one I need to look at 02:50 dcook drojf: I'm sure there are many applications :) 02:49 drojf if i learn some sip by accident that is ok too, but i'll try to avoid it ;) 02:49 dcook Extra spaces after the 23rd Leader position. As I mentioned...those spaces shouldn't have been there...but I figured that only the first 23 positions would've been taken into account by the Perl modules...silly me 02:49 drojf and yes, i got to the idea that way. i have nothing to do with rfid so far. but i'd like to play with it and get an idea of how it works and what funny things i could do with it 02:48 dcook mtj: 'twas a whitespace issue 02:48 dcook Yata! 02:48 drojf i don't know. but i am really awake awake :/ 02:47 dcook Why are you awake? 02:47 dcook Yes! 02:47 drojf when the monitor switches from night light to daylight you know you have been up way too long 02:47 dcook All my knowledge at the moment is only theoretical... 02:47 dcook I've been wanting to get some practical RFID experience 02:47 dcook Sounds worthwhile 02:44 drojf that is going to be a fun day 02:42 drojf dcook: kind of. a selfcheck machine with RFID probably, instead of a barcode scanner 02:41 drojf jcamins: it is in northern germany i think. at least it is in hannover (where i come from). i berlin it is usually referred to as 'spätkauf' (literally 'latebuy') or the short form 'späti' (like a diminutive) 02:39 dcook Possibly* 02:39 dcook Possible with a built-in barcode scanner 02:39 dcook I meant a desk/stand/counter 02:39 jcamins drojf: I've heard that usage of kiosk, but I never realized that it was common. 02:39 dcook drojf: I like the definition of kiosk there ;) 02:38 dcook jcamins: I don't know what I would do without you sometimes 02:38 jcamins It's like a Drupal plugin for displaying Fedora repositories. 02:38 drojf apparently 'selfcheck' is a registered trademark of 3M. ot sure if i wanted to learn that. 02:38 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 02:38 dcook Interesting... 02:38 dcook O_o 02:38 jcamins dcook: no, Islandora is actually built on Drupal. 02:38 dcook wizzyrea: You mean the Islandora site lives on Drupal? 02:37 drojf not sure what you mean by a kiosk :D (a kiosk is a place where you can buy alcohol, tobacco and other stuff late at night around here) 02:37 wizzyrea drupal, the CMS eh? 02:34 dcook You mean like a kiosk? 02:34 dcook drojf: I'm not sure that I follow... 02:33 drojf dcook: i've been thinking about building one. or rather find out if it will work 02:30 dcook I've known a few people who've worked at the U of PEI, hence the question ;) 02:29 dcook wizzyrea: Lives on drupal? 02:29 dcook drojf: koha self-checkout machine? 02:29 drojf so, should i buy an nfc reader just for fun? i'm beginning to feel intrigued by the "koha self-checkout machine" thing even though i really have no time to work on it 02:26 wizzyrea ohh islandora lives on drupal 02:25 mtompset or less. :P 02:25 wizzyrea you can drive around it in a day. 02:25 wizzyrea PEI is pretty small. 02:25 wizzyrea :) 02:25 wizzyrea wonder how big that is. 02:25 wizzyrea university of prince edward island. 02:24 jcamins There's a company behind it. 02:24 mtompset drojf++ # and you had me at hello. :) 02:24 jcamins dcook: I'm not sure. 02:24 dcook jcamins: Is Islandora originally from Prince Edward Island, or do they just do a lot of work on it there? 02:24 drojf you lost me at "java" :P 02:24 * mtompset cringes. 02:24 dcook Templates for Java 02:24 dcook Or something like that 02:23 dcook Java Server Pages, I think 02:23 mtompset What is JSP? 02:23 dcook mtompset: Yep 02:23 dcook Mmm, I forgot about Islandora 02:23 mtompset JSP? 02:23 dcook If I had more time, I would set up a DSpace git and send developments back, but their community is oddly set up too 02:23 jcamins Islandora provides an integrated interface, I think. 02:23 dcook Lots of deprecated tags.. 02:23 jcamins Yeah, definitely way harder to set up. It doesn't have a built-in interface. 02:22 dcook No classes...no IDs... 02:22 dcook Outdated and badly designed HTML 02:22 wizzyrea "gross" 02:22 dcook The JSPUI is...a bit gross 02:22 dcook wizzyrea: Me either. I just do templates and some java-level changes to DSpace for accessibility purposes 02:22 dcook But possibly more difficult to set up? 02:22 dcook jcamins: I've heard that Fedora is more impressive 02:21 wizzyrea i haven't looked seriously at either dspace or fedora 02:21 jcamins I was more impressed with Fedora than DSpace. 02:20 wizzyrea dspace is BSD License - not terrible 02:19 drojf or, is pretty outdated and has little functionality 02:19 jcamins drojf: there's some big initiative to use it nationally in Germany, I think. 02:19 drojf think 02:19 dcook drojf: Yep 02:19 drojf and the koha driver for it sucks i thingk 02:18 dcook https://www.archivematica.org/ 02:18 drojf ok then it is just a weird coincidence that i only hear about it from germany 02:18 dcook Add digital preservation software in there and it gets even more interesting 02:18 dcook drojf: I've certainly heard the name, so I assume so 02:18 jcamins drojf: yeah, it was developed by Villanova and is used by Yale and a lot of other places. 02:18 dcook As wizzyrea was saying: I think DC is way better than MARC for describing digital objects 02:17 drojf that reminds me of something i'v ebeen meaning to ask… is vufind used outside of germany? (not a repository but a discovery thingy) 02:17 dcook And metadata as dublin core 02:17 dcook It's an interesting idea...since DSpace stores the digital object (or actually stores it on a file system and just stores pointers) 02:17 dcook Nah, the experiments would just be on improving linking, or personally for me to understand how we do it/should do it 02:16 drojf dcook: ok but then it is not completely experimental ;) 02:16 dcook But...the linking of DSpace and Koha is something my boss did. I don't know the particulars of how he did it (although I have ideas about how we could do it better) 02:16 dcook drojf: I also wrote a program that does media harvesting which takes ingested content and puts it into Dspace and Koha 02:16 jcamins *cases 02:16 drojf *before 02:15 jcamins Though Omeka and Greenstone are for very different use spaces. 02:15 drojf i'm not sure if i knew the name omeka for tonight 02:15 wizzyrea (but it's been a couple of years 02:15 dcook drojf: Prosentient provides both Koha and Dspace linked up 02:15 wizzyrea i liked it less than omeka 02:15 jcamins drojf: probably. I hated Greenstone. 02:15 drojf i vaguely remember looking at greenstone, so maybe that was what i did not like. 02:15 mtompset Is there a nice way to export MARC records for metadata along with the files into a repository? 02:15 wizzyrea it might be cool to have a dublin-core type framework. 02:14 wizzyrea which is more like what koha does. 02:14 wizzyrea and there are people like digitalnz who host *only* the metadata, and rely on outside people to provide the actual content 02:14 dcook That's the one you were mentioning the other day, yes? 02:14 jcamins archivesspace is the popular one these days. 02:14 drojf dcook: as in, you have not tried it yet? 02:13 drojf i forgot which one i looked at. whatever that was, i did not like it 02:13 dcook drojf: That's the premise of my Kohacon talk, if I find the time to write it...tying Koha and DSpace together 02:13 dcook Still reading scrollback 02:13 mtompset But I was like: Do we really want a fileserver on the Koha server? 02:13 wizzyrea archivalware (though i probably wouldn't recommend that one they are unfriendly to open source.) 02:12 mtompset we have all these scan's of documents that we would like accessible. 02:12 wizzyrea greenstone, omeka, lots of different proprietary ones whose names slip my mind 02:12 mtompset Because actually, this is a problem that is on my TODO list. 02:12 drojf depends on the items i guess. if you want to find scans of books i don't see a problem 02:12 mtompset wizzyrea: So what sort of solution for repository have you seen? 02:11 wizzyrea dublin core is nicer 02:11 wizzyrea MARC is pretty pants to describe digital content items. 02:11 drojf [off] regarding libraries and privacy, after listening to my coworker saying OF COURSE WE WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT EG PIWIK CAN TELL US ABOUT A SINGLE USER, IT'S SOOO IMPORTANT i feel obliged to go to kohacon 2014 by boat to talk about privacy in koha and libraries in general. and throw around patches for it 02:11 wizzyrea that's really up to you, right? 02:10 wizzyrea is it? 02:10 mtompset Isn't a dumb FTP server good enough? 02:10 mtompset But doesn't Koha already have all the metadata? 02:09 mtompset (if that is the right field) 02:09 wizzyrea yep 02:09 wizzyrea it holds both the metadata and the actual content/object 02:09 mtompset oh, so like all the public PDF files that we've 856$u'd? 02:08 wizzyrea instead of just the metadata thereof 02:08 wizzyrea it holds digital objects 02:08 drojf jcamins: because i can, because i want to promote it in some way. yes, it would be nice if it made real sense in some way. i would actually have a use case for one "library" i know of 02:08 mtompset What is a repository compared to the koha catalog? 02:08 wizzyrea ruby-- 02:08 wizzyrea i like kete but it was a pita to set up 02:08 wizzyrea greenstone wasn't bad either. 02:07 wizzyrea things* 02:07 wizzyrea i rather liked omeka when I was last looking at such thing 02:07 wahanui repository is already set up... makes more sense to do the koha-deps koha-perldeps thing. 02:07 mtompset repository? 02:07 drojf +1 for koha plus a repository. i still have not decided what to have a real look at 02:07 mtompset What do you mean, jcamins? 02:06 jcamins I just wouldn't be able to think of a reason to try and deal with tor. 02:06 jcamins As a general rule, I'd definitely have a Koha catalog and a repository combined. 02:06 wizzyrea ah yea true. 02:05 jcamins wizzyrea: sure, but if you don't have access to the library, the catalog isn't useful, and if you have access to the library, you're not *actually* anonymous. 02:05 wizzyrea kete would be better for that as it's already zebra 02:05 wizzyrea or have a federated search of the two 02:04 wizzyrea an omeka and a koha 02:04 wizzyrea i might be inclined to tie them together. 02:04 jcamins Koha? Ehhh... I wouldn't. 02:04 jcamins Biblionarrator? Yeah, why not? 02:03 jcamins Omeka? Sure. 02:03 jcamins Something like Kete? Sure. 02:03 jcamins MARC-based catalogs exceptionally poorly suited for research repositories. 02:03 * jcamins knows of very few that are managed by people who would care about privacy. 02:03 drojf jcamins: nothing relevant comes to mind… but that may change in the ugly times we live in 02:01 jcamins drojf: well, that's my point... how many catalogs of the latter type are you aware of? 02:01 drojf jcamins: if you use koha strictly as a reference to what you got in your offline library, no. if you use it with links, maybe even embedded documents, why not? 02:01 dcook I think I might've found my problem... 02:00 jcamins There are very few library catalogs which are useful in themselves. 02:00 mtompset tor hidden service? 02:00 jcamins drojf: I can't really see the use. 01:59 drojf or more like "tried to" 01:59 drojf has anyone been running koha as a tor hidden service? 01:57 mtj anyhoo… ill try to find out more details and log a bug 01:55 dcook XSL errors...doesn't look good 01:55 drojf mtj: gaetan_B had a nice one where in only one case the title word order got reversed for a kurdish biblio. some part of zebra seems to be mildly crazy 01:54 dcook A 404 is either a broken link or bad typing on the user's part 01:54 dcook Maybe skip the bib, write to a log, then display 01:54 mtompset Is a 404 a fatal error? ;) 01:54 dcook Nothing makes a system look worse than fatal errors... 01:54 dcook mtj: Mmm, true as 01:53 dcook I need to know what MARC::File and those other modules do 01:53 mtj my thinking is, a patch to just skip that glitchy bib for display, whould be better than a fatal 01:53 dcook I don't need to know what MARCEdit does though 01:53 mtompset dcook: why remember it, MARCEdit is your friend. :P 01:53 dcook Does it calculate the length of the leader dynamically or is that fixed.. 01:53 * dcook tries to remember the binary marc spec.. 01:53 dcook This xml looks good though...with the one exception being spaces in the leader.. 01:52 dcook mtj: I know I've encountered lots of problematic characters before as well, although I can't recall them either 01:52 mtj ill have to look about a bit, for that bib 01:52 mtompset I shouldn't be able to opac-detail the biblionumber, if all the items are hidden. 01:52 mtompset No, that's a patch I'm working on for OPAC. 01:51 mtj drojf, i cant quote any 'problematic' chars ATM, but i do have a bib somewhere that has them… 01:51 drojf mtompset: i thought your third way is hiding the items and when there are no items, hide the biblio too, or was there something else? 01:49 mtompset drojf: I may be confused. OpacSuppression is for Biblio level hiding, and OpacHiddenItems is for Item level hiding. I can't seem to find my third way in the emails I sent back and forth with my colleagues. 01:49 wahanui :) 01:49 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 01:49 mtj drojf, hmm - yes i think icu is on 01:49 wahanui druthb: what? 01:49 druthb kia ora, wahanui. 01:49 dcook hey, druthb 01:49 wahanui kai ora, druthb 01:49 druthb Howdy 01:49 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 01:48 drojf hi druthb 01:48 druthb o/ 01:48 drojf also, are you using icu? 01:48 dcook Or maybe converting & back into & for display..I can't remember 01:47 dcook I think it takes & into account 01:47 dcook Indeed 01:47 drojf and what is a problematic char? 01:46 mtj the bug is… any bib returned in a search-result with a 'problematic' char, causes a fatal error 01:44 dcook I'm probably grasping at straws :p 01:43 dcook But Koha doesn't often use the marc blob.. 01:43 dcook As someone pointed out, for the most part, Koha seems happy 01:43 dcook Which mucks things up along the way 01:43 dcook Possibly making a bad binary marc blob 01:42 dcook In my case, I'm thinking it might have to do with whitespace in the leader... 01:42 wahanui somebody said the bug was it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 01:42 dcook But what is the bug? 01:42 mtj but really… despite me sorting a quickfix, the bug itself is quite a big deal :/ 01:41 dcook Wait a minute... 01:40 mtj ...at the end of a 245b, fwiw - a korean bib 01:40 dcook Whereabouts was it? 01:39 dcook I've read a bit about bad whitespace.. 01:39 mtj hmm, twas just random 'whitespace' to me 01:39 dcook No.. 01:39 dcook I wonder... 01:38 dcook The parser error is referring to binary marc characters, but I don't see any in my marcxml 01:38 dcook What did those chars turn out to be? :p 01:38 dcook Ah, that's what I meant 01:38 mtj neither - i just removed the glichy chars from the bib, problem solved :/ 01:37 dcook mtj: Did your glitchy bib make it through then or was it tossed aside as it didn't make it through the eval? 01:37 mtj i have a backup of the glicthy db/bib, so its something i hope to sort a fix for… sometime 01:35 mtj dcook, i had a hunch that wrapping the XSLTParse4Display() call in an eval() might fix the problem 01:35 mtompset See... I don't recall. :P 01:34 drojf koha item type? 01:34 mtompset 952\$y? 01:34 mtompset y? 01:34 mtompset I don't recall. 01:34 drojf what is that in 952? 01:34 mtompset Yes. 01:34 drojf for hiding things? 01:33 mtompset There is a 952 field as well, not just the 942 one. 01:33 mtompset Yes, there are three ways that I know of, drojf. OpacHiddenItems is the simplest. 01:33 dcook How did you fix it in the end? 01:32 dcook Dinger :/ 01:32 dcook While my records are suboptimal, the parser error doesn't make much sense 01:32 mtj …i ended up just fixing the glitchy bib, and not following up the problem with a solution :/ 01:32 dcook mtj: I seem to remember that...how did you fix it? 01:32 drojf you have different options of showing or not showing items that are being bought but are not available yet in the opac 01:31 mtj dcook, i bumped into a situ some weeks ago, where a glitchy bib was causing the opac search-results to fail, with xslt display 01:31 mtompset This is not client side. 01:31 mtompset This is opac display side. 01:30 drojf alright. then it makes sense to me now. but i do not think that will be widely accepable as i suppose it will screw up the various acquisitions options (just guessing) 01:30 wizzyrea mtompset: possibly you could make a hidden framework that marked the value by default 01:29 mtompset yes. 01:29 drojf aha! so your plan is to generally hide biblios that do not have visible items? 01:29 mtompset Though, the problem with hiding by biblio requires a data entry person who remembers to set the hidden MARC field. 01:28 mtompset I do see how you might be right about hiding by biblio. 01:28 mtompset I don't think hiding a biblio display (opac-details) when all the items are hidden is necessarily the wrong thing to do. 01:26 drojf i think that you do not want to act on the item level but in the biblio level if we are talking about media that is in general not acceptable (for whatever reason in whatever context) 01:26 mtompset I didn't write it. It is already in Koha. 01:26 mtompset OpacHiddenItems is a YAML rule set for deciding whether to hide an item or not. 01:25 drojf (or it does other things than its name implies) 01:25 mtompset wrong? What do you mean? 01:25 drojf but my guess is that you are wrong at the hiddenitems-thing then 01:24 mtompset That's the thing I'm planning on cleaning up. 01:24 drojf mtompset: but my point is: if that is item-based… how does it work if you have to hide something like a "forbidden" book? would it not be possible to find the biblio of the book in the opac and then see no items listed for it? and would that not be obvious to an adversary that you must have some item of that book somewhere because otherwise it would not be in the catalogue at all? 01:21 mtompset Now whether that is a don't get listed, but still passed is another question I haven't looked into. 01:20 mtompset Whatever items are returned in that array reference don't get listed. 01:20 dcook searchResults decodes that back into a MARC::Record object... 01:20 dcook Ok...so with the OPAC tag search...we get the marcxml directly from the DB for those tags, strip nonxmlcharacters, and load it into a MARC::Record object...turn that into binary MARC...and send it to searchResults... 01:20 mtompset So, it was pretty easy to attempt a patch to override based on patron category. 01:19 mtompset Actually, the function in C4::Items that returns GetHiddenItems (or something like that). 01:19 drojf ? 01:19 drojf exactly. how does that work (assuming it really hides only items and not biblios) 01:18 mtompset We're hiding using OpacHiddenItems. 01:18 mtompset We don't use 942$n to hide. 01:17 drojf is that the hideitemsomething mtompset? because i still wonder how that works out. i thought there might be "secret" items of "secret" biblios. if you only hide the items you can still find the biblios and would raise suspicion, or not? 01:14 drojf not really complicated. there already is a redirection to a 404 page if the biblio does not exist. i added a redirection to a "you are nor allowed blabla" page if 942$n == 1. for some cases it may also make sense to redirect to the 404 to pretend there is nothing to find 01:12 drojf i had a patch but then i had some weird things happening with my git so i'd like to look at it again. it has been working at some point 01:12 mtompset We're hiding based on shelving location. 01:11 mtompset because I actually started looking at our data. 01:11 mtompset I'm looking at that problem now, which is why I was asking about multiple biblios for what appears to be the same book in multiple branches. 01:10 drojf i don't think our legal department would like that ;) 01:10 drojf for you too maybe, mtompset. the thing with accessing suppressed biblios directly 01:09 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 01:09 drojf @later tell edveal bug 10195 -- hope to fix that next week 01:08 mtompset Sadly, it's a localized bubble around you. 01:08 drojf does that mean if i don't go to bed i don't have to work? 01:07 mtompset My thoughts exactly, drojf. :) 01:07 drojf true. next day is after waking up 01:06 mtompset Actually, if drojf hasn't gone to bed yet, it's still yesterday for him. That's how we time travel. Don't sleep for 24 hours to stay in the past. ;) 01:06 drojf hi dcook 01:06 drojf lol 01:06 drojf apart from the "get up at 8" thingy that's fine 01:06 dcook For once, I can actually say good morning when it's morning here! 01:05 dcook Jesus, drojf! 01:05 drojf yay i'm awake at 3am 01:02 dcook Mmm, I see I see 00:55 jcamins Oh, I'm sure it is, but there was a bug that allowed bad data to break searches. 00:55 dcook When I try the tag search on my test system with good marcxml, it works 00:53 dcook I think this is still a data issue 00:52 jcamins The bug I'm remembering was fixed in 3.10, I think. 00:52 dcook Although... 00:52 dcook Hmm, that does help :) 00:51 jcamins I don't remember exactly what it was, but there was one. 00:51 jcamins There was a bug with tagging. 00:50 jcamins Ohhhh. 00:48 dcook But it must be the xml.. 00:47 dcook That's what is exploding everything 00:47 dcook But the tag search... 00:47 dcook A regular search works fine 00:47 dcook Huh...maybe this somehow isn't related to the xslt.. 00:32 dcook Looks ok to me :/ 00:32 jcamins "Setup will complete in approximately: 35 minutes" 00:31 jcamins Probably wrapped in XML tags. 00:30 jcamins Right, if you look in biblioitems.marcxml, you will find... binary MARC. 00:30 dcook Brain = confused 00:29 dcook I don't see any marcxml there though 00:29 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "binary marc in marcxml?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/111 00:28 mtompset binary MARC in XML tags?! 00:28 dcook I'll paste in the error log.. 00:28 jcamins Unfortunately, I'm not being ironic. 00:28 jcamins Yep. I hate it when they stick binary MARC in XML tags. 00:28 dcook Right...it's binary MARC...not XML 00:27 mtompset So, there will be a biblio for each branch, because of IndependentBranches? 00:27 dcook jcamins: I get what you're saying now 00:27 dcook Durrr 00:26 mtompset Yes, I believe IndependentBranches is set to prevent branches from modifying other branches. 00:25 dcook I'm not noticing the 1E or 1F hex in the binary though 00:25 dcook I can respect XSLT processor's strictness ;) 00:25 mtompset Sorry, I was away from the keyboard, wizzyrea. I believe it may be branch related, yes. 00:24 jcamins Unless you're an XSLT processor, apparently. 00:24 jcamins Yes. 00:24 * dcook takes a look for the hex.. 00:24 dcook So...these are invisible? 00:23 dcook I think the group separator is in there as well 00:23 jcamins I just checked the MARC documentation. Field and subfield separators, definitely. 00:21 jcamins Yup. Field and subfield separators, I think. 00:21 dcook Record separator and unit separator? 00:20 dcook And... /x1f I think 00:20 dcook In this case, /x1e to be specific 00:20 jcamins i can tell you where the problem is 00:20 dcook Yeah, it looks like an ascii character 00:20 jcamins Hm. 00:20 dcook Yes, wahanui. Humans are problematic... 00:20 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 00:20 jcamins Please tell me where the problem is 00:20 jcamins Hm. 00:20 wahanui i guess the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 00:20 jcamins where the problem is 00:20 wahanui i think the problem is that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values 00:20 dcook where the problem? 00:20 jcamins BTW, wahanui's answer to "where the problem is" is great. 00:19 * jcamins hadn't read the ascii table yet when he asked for a copy of the XML. 00:19 jcamins That's not XML, that's binary MARC. 00:19 jcamins Oh, good call. 00:18 dcook Hmm 00:18 dcook I think they're invisible characters :/ 00:18 jcamins I meant, please paste same so that I can tell you where the problem is. 00:17 dcook New MARCXML being converted from a proprietary XML format 00:17 jcamins dcook: what's the XML that is causing problems? 00:16 dcook Aha...the logs perhaps are saying more... 00:13 dcook XChat is not my friend today... 00:12 * dcook thinks he missed something 00:12 wizzyrea is there a biblio for each library, is what I mean 00:11 wizzyrea to the libraries each catalogue the item? 00:11 wizzyrea mtompset: regarding your question 00:11 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "XSLT error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110 00:10 dcook I figure there must be an invalid character in the XML but I can't see it... 00:10 dcook What does ":11: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 31" mean? 00:10 dcook Quick question for XSLT and XML users... 00:08 tcohen independent branches?? 00:08 tcohen it depends on your setup i guess? 00:05 mtompset Greetings, dcook.