Time  Nick         Message
00:05 mtompset     Greetings, dcook.
00:08 tcohen       it depends on your setup i guess?
00:08 tcohen       independent branches??
00:10 dcook        Quick question for XSLT and XML users...
00:10 dcook        What does ":11: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 31" mean?
00:10 dcook        I figure there must be an invalid character in the XML but I can't see it...
00:11 pastebot     "dcook" at pasted "XSLT error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110
00:11 wizzyrea     mtompset: regarding your question
00:11 wizzyrea     to the libraries each catalogue the item?
00:12 wizzyrea     is there a biblio for each library, is what I mean
00:12 * dcook      thinks he missed something
00:13 dcook        XChat is not my friend today...
00:16 dcook        Aha...the logs perhaps are saying more...
00:17 jcamins      dcook: what's the XML that is causing problems?
00:17 dcook        New MARCXML being converted from a proprietary XML format
00:18 jcamins      I meant, please paste same so that I can tell you where the problem is.
00:18 dcook        I think they're invisible characters :/
00:18 dcook        Hmm
00:19 jcamins      Oh, good call.
00:19 jcamins      That's not XML, that's binary MARC.
00:19 * jcamins    hadn't read the ascii table yet when he asked for a copy of the XML.
00:20 jcamins      BTW, wahanui's answer to "where the problem is" is great.
00:20 dcook        where the problem?
00:20 wahanui      i think the problem is that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
00:20 jcamins      where the problem is
00:20 wahanui      i guess the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
00:20 jcamins      Hm.
00:20 jcamins      Please tell me where the problem is
00:20 wahanui      the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
00:20 dcook        Yes, wahanui. Humans are problematic...
00:20 jcamins      Hm.
00:20 dcook        Yeah, it looks like an ascii character
00:20 jcamins      i can tell you where the problem is
00:20 dcook        In this case, /x1e to be specific
00:20 dcook        And... /x1f I think
00:21 dcook        Record separator and unit separator?
00:21 jcamins      Yup. Field and subfield separators, I think.
00:23 jcamins      I just checked the MARC documentation. Field and subfield separators, definitely.
00:23 dcook        I think the group separator is in there as well
00:24 dcook        So...these are invisible?
00:24 * dcook      takes a look for the hex..
00:24 jcamins      Yes.
00:24 jcamins      Unless you're an XSLT processor, apparently.
00:25 mtompset     Sorry, I was away from the keyboard, wizzyrea. I believe it may be branch related, yes.
00:25 dcook        I can respect XSLT processor's strictness ;)
00:25 dcook        I'm not noticing the 1E or 1F hex in the binary though
00:26 mtompset     Yes, I believe IndependentBranches is set to prevent branches from modifying other branches.
00:27 dcook        Durrr
00:27 dcook        jcamins: I get what you're saying now
00:27 mtompset     So, there will be a biblio for each branch, because of IndependentBranches?
00:28 dcook        Right...it's binary MARC...not XML
00:28 jcamins      Yep. I hate it when they stick binary MARC in XML tags.
00:28 jcamins      Unfortunately, I'm not being ironic.
00:28 dcook        I'll paste in the error log..
00:28 mtompset     binary MARC in XML tags?!
00:29 pastebot     "dcook" at pasted "binary marc in marcxml?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/111
00:29 dcook        I don't see any marcxml there though
00:30 dcook        Brain = confused
00:30 jcamins      Right, if you look in biblioitems.marcxml, you will find... binary MARC.
00:31 jcamins      Probably wrapped in XML tags.
00:32 jcamins      "Setup will complete in approximately: 35 minutes"
00:32 dcook        Looks ok to me :/
00:47 dcook        Huh...maybe this somehow isn't related to the xslt..
00:47 dcook        A regular search works fine
00:47 dcook        But the tag search...
00:47 dcook        That's what is exploding everything
00:48 dcook        But it must be the xml..
00:50 jcamins      Ohhhh.
00:51 jcamins      There was a bug with tagging.
00:51 jcamins      I don't remember exactly what it was, but there was one.
00:52 dcook        Hmm, that does help :)
00:52 dcook        Although...
00:52 jcamins      The bug I'm remembering was fixed in 3.10, I think.
00:53 dcook        I think this is still a data issue
00:55 dcook        When I try the tag search on my test system with good marcxml, it works
00:55 jcamins      Oh, I'm sure it is, but there was a bug that allowed bad data to break searches.
01:02 dcook        Mmm, I see I see
01:05 drojf        yay i'm awake at 3am
01:05 dcook        Jesus, drojf!
01:06 dcook        For once, I can actually say good morning when it's morning here!
01:06 drojf        apart from the "get up at 8" thingy that's fine
01:06 drojf        lol
01:06 drojf        hi dcook
01:06 mtompset     Actually, if drojf hasn't gone to bed yet, it's still yesterday for him. That's how we time travel. Don't sleep for 24 hours to stay in the past. ;)
01:07 drojf        true. next day is after waking up
01:07 mtompset     My thoughts exactly, drojf. :)
01:08 drojf        does that mean if i don't go to bed i don't have to work?
01:08 mtompset     Sadly, it's a localized bubble around you.
01:09 drojf        @later tell edveal bug 10195 -- hope to fix that next week
01:09 huginn`      drojf: The operation succeeded.
01:10 drojf        for you too maybe, mtompset. the thing with accessing suppressed biblios directly
01:10 drojf        i don't think our legal department would like that ;)
01:11 mtompset     I'm looking at that problem now, which is why I was asking about multiple biblios for what appears to be the same book in multiple branches.
01:11 mtompset     because I actually started looking at our data.
01:12 mtompset     We're hiding based on shelving location.
01:12 drojf        i had a patch but then i had some weird things happening with my git so i'd like to look at it again. it has been working at some point
01:14 drojf        not really complicated. there already is a redirection to a 404 page if the biblio does not exist. i added a redirection to a "you are nor allowed blabla" page if 942$n == 1. for some cases it may also make sense to redirect to the 404 to pretend there is nothing to find
01:17 drojf        is that the hideitemsomething mtompset? because i still wonder how that works out. i thought there might be "secret" items of "secret" biblios. if you only hide the items you can still find the biblios and would raise suspicion, or not?
01:18 mtompset     We don't use 942$n to hide.
01:18 mtompset     We're hiding using OpacHiddenItems.
01:19 drojf        exactly. how does that work (assuming it really hides only items and not biblios)
01:19 drojf        ?
01:19 mtompset     Actually, the function in C4::Items that returns GetHiddenItems (or something like that).
01:20 mtompset     So, it was pretty easy to attempt a patch to override based on patron category.
01:20 dcook        Ok...so with the OPAC tag search...we get the marcxml directly from the DB for those tags, strip nonxmlcharacters, and load it into a MARC::Record object...turn that into binary MARC...and send it to searchResults...
01:20 dcook        searchResults decodes that back into a MARC::Record object...
01:20 mtompset     Whatever items are returned in that array reference don't get listed.
01:21 mtompset     Now whether that is a don't get listed, but still passed is another question I haven't looked into.
01:24 drojf        mtompset: but my point is: if that is item-based… how does it work if you have to hide something like a "forbidden" book? would it not be possible to find the biblio of the book in the opac and then see no items listed for it? and would that not be obvious to an adversary that you must have some item of that book somewhere because otherwise it would not be in the catalogue at all?
01:24 mtompset     That's the thing I'm planning on cleaning up.
01:25 drojf        but my guess is that you are wrong at the hiddenitems-thing then
01:25 mtompset     wrong? What do you mean?
01:25 drojf        (or it does other things than its name implies)
01:26 mtompset     OpacHiddenItems is a YAML rule set for deciding whether to hide an item or not.
01:26 mtompset     I didn't write it. It is already in Koha.
01:26 drojf        i think that you do not want to act on the item level but in the biblio level if we are talking about media that is in general not acceptable (for whatever reason in whatever context)
01:28 mtompset     I don't think hiding a biblio display (opac-details) when all the items are hidden is necessarily the wrong thing to do.
01:28 mtompset     I do see how you might be right about hiding by biblio.
01:29 mtompset     Though, the problem with hiding by biblio requires a data entry person who remembers to set the hidden MARC field.
01:29 drojf        aha! so your plan is to generally hide biblios that do not have visible items?
01:29 mtompset     yes.
01:30 wizzyrea     mtompset: possibly you could make a hidden framework that marked the value by default
01:30 drojf        alright. then it makes sense to me now. but i do not think that will be widely accepable as i suppose it will screw up the various acquisitions options (just guessing)
01:31 mtompset     This is opac display side.
01:31 mtompset     This is not client side.
01:31 mtj          dcook, i bumped into a situ some weeks ago, where a glitchy bib was causing the opac search-results to fail, with xslt display
01:32 drojf        you have different options of showing or not showing items that are being bought but are not available yet in the opac
01:32 dcook        mtj: I seem to remember that...how did you fix it?
01:32 mtj          …i ended up just fixing the glitchy bib, and not following up the problem with a solution :/
01:32 dcook        While my records are suboptimal, the parser error doesn't make much sense
01:32 dcook        Dinger :/
01:33 dcook        How did you fix it in the end?
01:33 mtompset     Yes, there are three ways that I know of, drojf. OpacHiddenItems is the simplest.
01:33 mtompset     There is a 952 field as well, not just the 942 one.
01:34 drojf        for hiding things?
01:34 mtompset     Yes.
01:34 drojf        what is that in 952?
01:34 mtompset     I don't recall.
01:34 mtompset     y?
01:34 mtompset     952\$y?
01:34 drojf        koha item type?
01:35 mtompset     See... I don't recall. :P
01:35 mtj          dcook, i had a hunch that wrapping the XSLTParse4Display() call in an eval() might fix the problem
01:37 mtj          i have a backup of the glicthy db/bib, so its something i hope to sort a fix for… sometime
01:37 dcook        mtj: Did your glitchy bib make it through then or was it tossed aside as it didn't make it through the eval?
01:38 mtj          neither - i just removed the glichy chars from the bib, problem solved :/
01:38 dcook        Ah, that's what I meant
01:38 dcook        What did those chars turn out to be? :p
01:38 dcook        The parser error is referring to binary marc characters, but I don't see any in my marcxml
01:39 dcook        I wonder...
01:39 dcook        No..
01:39 mtj          hmm, twas just random 'whitespace' to me
01:39 dcook        I've read a bit about bad whitespace..
01:40 dcook        Whereabouts was it?
01:40 mtj          ...at the end of a 245b, fwiw - a korean bib
01:41 dcook        Wait a minute...
01:42 mtj          but really… despite me sorting a quickfix, the bug itself is quite a big deal :/
01:42 dcook        But what is the bug?
01:42 wahanui      somebody said the bug was it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
01:42 dcook        In my case, I'm thinking it might have to do with whitespace in the leader...
01:43 dcook        Possibly making a bad binary marc blob
01:43 dcook        Which mucks things up along the way
01:43 dcook        As someone pointed out, for the most part, Koha seems happy
01:43 dcook        But Koha doesn't often use the marc blob..
01:44 dcook        I'm probably grasping at straws :p
01:46 mtj          the bug is… any bib returned in a search-result with a 'problematic' char, causes a fatal error
01:47 drojf        and what is a problematic char?
01:47 dcook        Indeed
01:47 dcook        I think it takes & into account
01:48 dcook        Or maybe converting & back into & for display..I can't remember
01:48 drojf        also, are you using icu?
01:48 druthb       o/
01:48 drojf        hi druthb
01:49 mtompset     Greetings, druthb.
01:49 druthb       Howdy
01:49 wahanui      kai ora, druthb
01:49 dcook        hey, druthb
01:49 druthb       kia ora, wahanui.
01:49 wahanui      druthb: what?
01:49 mtj          drojf, hmm - yes i think icu is on
01:49 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack cookie
01:49 wahanui      :)
01:49 mtompset     drojf: I may be confused. OpacSuppression is for Biblio level hiding, and OpacHiddenItems is for Item level hiding. I can't seem to find my third way in the emails I sent back and forth with my colleagues.
01:51 drojf        mtompset: i thought your third way is hiding the items and when there are no items, hide the biblio too, or was there something else?
01:51 mtj          drojf, i cant quote any 'problematic' chars ATM, but i do have a bib somewhere that has them…
01:52 mtompset     No, that's a patch I'm working on for OPAC.
01:52 mtompset     I shouldn't be able to opac-detail the biblionumber, if all the items are hidden.
01:52 mtj          ill have to look about a bit, for that bib
01:52 dcook        mtj: I know I've encountered lots of problematic characters before as well, although I can't recall them either
01:53 dcook        This xml looks good though...with the one exception being spaces in the leader..
01:53 * dcook      tries to remember the binary marc spec..
01:53 dcook        Does it calculate the length of the leader dynamically or is that fixed..
01:53 mtompset     dcook: why remember it, MARCEdit is your friend. :P
01:53 dcook        I don't need to know what MARCEdit does though
01:53 mtj          my thinking is, a patch to just skip that glitchy bib for display, whould be better than a fatal
01:53 dcook        I need to know what MARC::File and those other modules do
01:54 dcook        mtj: Mmm, true as
01:54 dcook        Nothing makes a system look worse than fatal errors...
01:54 mtompset     Is a 404 a fatal error? ;)
01:54 dcook        Maybe skip the bib, write to a log, then display
01:54 dcook        A 404 is either a broken link or bad typing on the user's part
01:55 drojf        mtj: gaetan_B had a nice one where in only one case the title word order got reversed for a kurdish biblio. some part of zebra seems to be mildly crazy
01:55 dcook        XSL errors...doesn't look good
01:57 mtj          anyhoo… ill try to find out more details and log a bug
01:59 drojf        has anyone been running koha as a tor hidden service?
01:59 drojf        or more like "tried to"
02:00 jcamins      drojf: I can't really see the use.
02:00 mtompset     tor hidden service?
02:00 jcamins      There are very few library catalogs which are useful in themselves.
02:01 dcook        I think I might've found my problem...
02:01 drojf        jcamins: if you use koha strictly as a reference to what you got in your offline library, no. if you use it with links, maybe even embedded documents, why not?
02:01 jcamins      drojf: well, that's my point... how many catalogs of the latter type are you aware of?
02:03 drojf        jcamins: nothing relevant comes to mind… but that may change in the ugly times we live in
02:03 * jcamins    knows of very few that are managed by people who would care about privacy.
02:03 jcamins      MARC-based catalogs exceptionally poorly suited for research repositories.
02:03 jcamins      Something like Kete? Sure.
02:03 jcamins      Omeka? Sure.
02:04 jcamins      Biblionarrator? Yeah, why not?
02:04 jcamins      Koha? Ehhh... I wouldn't.
02:04 wizzyrea     i might be inclined to tie them together.
02:04 wizzyrea     an omeka and a koha
02:05 wizzyrea     or have a federated search of the two
02:05 wizzyrea     kete would be better for that as it's already zebra
02:05 jcamins      wizzyrea: sure, but if you don't have access to the library, the catalog isn't useful, and if you have access to the library, you're not *actually* anonymous.
02:06 wizzyrea     ah yea true.
02:06 jcamins      As a general rule, I'd definitely have a Koha catalog and a repository combined.
02:06 jcamins      I just wouldn't be able to think of a reason to try and deal with tor.
02:07 mtompset     What do you mean, jcamins?
02:07 drojf        +1 for koha plus a repository. i still have not decided what to have a real look at
02:07 mtompset     repository?
02:07 wahanui      repository is already set up... makes more sense to do the koha-deps koha-perldeps thing.
02:07 wizzyrea     i rather liked omeka when I was last looking at such thing
02:07 wizzyrea     things*
02:08 wizzyrea     greenstone wasn't bad either.
02:08 wizzyrea     i like kete but it was a pita to set up
02:08 wizzyrea     ruby--
02:08 mtompset     What is a repository compared to the koha catalog?
02:08 drojf        jcamins: because i can, because i want to promote it in some way. yes, it would be nice if it made real sense in some way. i would actually have a use case for one "library" i know of
02:08 wizzyrea     it holds digital objects
02:08 wizzyrea     instead of just the metadata thereof
02:09 mtompset     oh, so like all the public PDF files that we've 856$u'd?
02:09 wizzyrea     it holds both the metadata and the actual content/object
02:09 wizzyrea     yep
02:09 mtompset     (if that is the right field)
02:10 mtompset     But doesn't Koha already have all the metadata?
02:10 mtompset     Isn't a dumb FTP server good enough?
02:10 wizzyrea     is it?
02:11 wizzyrea     that's really up to you, right?
02:11 drojf        [off] regarding libraries and privacy, after listening to my coworker saying OF COURSE WE WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT EG PIWIK CAN TELL US ABOUT A SINGLE USER, IT'S SOOO IMPORTANT i feel obliged to go to kohacon 2014 by boat to talk about privacy in koha and libraries in general. and throw around patches for it
02:11 wizzyrea     MARC is pretty pants to describe digital content items.
02:11 wizzyrea     dublin core is nicer
02:12 mtompset     wizzyrea: So what sort of solution for repository have you seen?
02:12 drojf        depends on the items i guess. if you want to find scans of books i don't see a problem
02:12 mtompset     Because actually, this is a problem that is on my TODO list.
02:12 wizzyrea     greenstone, omeka, lots of different proprietary ones whose names slip my mind
02:12 mtompset     we have all these scan's of documents that we would like accessible.
02:13 wizzyrea     archivalware (though i probably wouldn't recommend that one they are unfriendly to open source.)
02:13 mtompset     But I was like: Do we really want a fileserver on the Koha server?
02:13 dcook        Still reading scrollback
02:13 dcook        drojf: That's the premise of my Kohacon talk, if I find the time to write it...tying Koha and DSpace together
02:13 drojf        i forgot which one i looked at. whatever that was, i did not like it
02:14 drojf        dcook: as in, you have not tried it yet?
02:14 jcamins      archivesspace is the popular one these days.
02:14 dcook        That's the one you were mentioning the other day, yes?
02:14 wizzyrea     and there are people like digitalnz who host *only* the metadata, and rely on outside people to provide the actual content
02:14 wizzyrea     which is more like what koha does.
02:15 wizzyrea     it might be cool to have a dublin-core type framework.
02:15 mtompset     Is there a nice way to export MARC records for metadata along with the files into a repository?
02:15 drojf        i vaguely remember looking at greenstone, so maybe that was what i did not like.
02:15 jcamins      drojf: probably. I hated Greenstone.
02:15 wizzyrea     i liked it less than omeka
02:15 dcook        drojf: Prosentient provides both Koha and Dspace linked up
02:15 wizzyrea     (but it's been a couple of years
02:15 drojf        i'm not sure if i knew the name omeka for tonight
02:15 jcamins      Though Omeka and Greenstone are for very different use spaces.
02:16 drojf        *before
02:16 jcamins      *cases
02:16 dcook        drojf: I also wrote a program that does media harvesting which takes ingested content and puts it into Dspace and Koha
02:16 dcook        But...the linking of DSpace and Koha is something my boss did. I don't know the particulars of how he did it (although I have ideas about how we could do it better)
02:16 drojf        dcook: ok but then it is not completely experimental ;)
02:17 dcook        Nah, the experiments would just be on improving linking, or personally for me to understand how we do it/should do it
02:17 dcook        It's an interesting idea...since DSpace stores the digital object (or actually stores it on a file system and just stores pointers)
02:17 dcook        And metadata as dublin core
02:17 drojf        that reminds me of something i'v ebeen meaning to ask… is vufind used outside of germany? (not a repository but a discovery thingy)
02:18 dcook        As wizzyrea was saying: I think DC is way better than MARC for describing digital objects
02:18 jcamins      drojf: yeah, it was developed by Villanova and is used by Yale and a lot of other places.
02:18 dcook        drojf: I've certainly heard the name, so I assume so
02:18 dcook        Add digital preservation software in there and it gets even more interesting
02:18 drojf        ok then it is just a weird coincidence that i only hear about it from germany
02:18 dcook        https://www.archivematica.org/
02:19 drojf        and the koha driver for it sucks i thingk
02:19 dcook        drojf: Yep
02:19 drojf        think
02:19 jcamins      drojf: there's some big initiative to use it nationally in Germany, I think.
02:19 drojf        or, is pretty outdated and has little functionality
02:20 wizzyrea     dspace is BSD License - not terrible
02:21 jcamins      I was more impressed with Fedora than DSpace.
02:21 wizzyrea     i haven't looked seriously at either dspace or fedora
02:22 dcook        jcamins: I've heard that Fedora is more impressive
02:22 dcook        But possibly more difficult to set up?
02:22 dcook        wizzyrea: Me either. I just do templates and some java-level changes to DSpace for accessibility purposes
02:22 dcook        The JSPUI is...a bit gross
02:22 wizzyrea     "gross"
02:22 dcook        Outdated and badly designed HTML
02:22 dcook        No classes...no IDs...
02:23 jcamins      Yeah, definitely way harder to set up. It doesn't have a built-in interface.
02:23 dcook        Lots of deprecated tags..
02:23 jcamins      Islandora provides an integrated interface, I think.
02:23 dcook        If I had more time, I would set up a DSpace git and send developments back, but their community is oddly set up too
02:23 mtompset     JSP?
02:23 dcook        Mmm, I forgot about Islandora
02:23 dcook        mtompset: Yep
02:23 mtompset     What is JSP?
02:23 dcook        Java Server Pages, I think
02:24 dcook        Or something like that
02:24 dcook        Templates for Java
02:24 * mtompset   cringes.
02:24 drojf        you lost me at "java" :P
02:24 dcook        jcamins: Is Islandora originally from Prince Edward Island, or do they just do a lot of work on it there?
02:24 jcamins      dcook: I'm not sure.
02:24 mtompset     drojf++ # and you had me at hello. :)
02:24 jcamins      There's a company behind it.
02:25 wizzyrea     university of prince edward island.
02:25 wizzyrea     wonder how big that is.
02:25 wizzyrea     :)
02:25 wizzyrea     PEI is pretty small.
02:25 wizzyrea     you can drive around it in a day.
02:25 mtompset     or less. :P
02:26 wizzyrea     ohh islandora lives on drupal
02:29 drojf        so, should i buy an nfc reader just for fun? i'm beginning to feel intrigued by the "koha self-checkout machine" thing even though i really have no time to work on it
02:29 dcook        drojf: koha self-checkout machine?
02:29 dcook        wizzyrea: Lives on drupal?
02:30 dcook        I've known a few people who've worked at the U of PEI, hence the question ;)
02:33 drojf        dcook: i've been thinking about building one. or rather find out if it will work
02:34 dcook        drojf: I'm not sure that I follow...
02:34 dcook        You mean like a kiosk?
02:37 wizzyrea     drupal, the CMS eh?
02:37 drojf        not sure what you mean by a kiosk :D (a kiosk is a place where you can buy alcohol, tobacco and other stuff late at night around here)
02:38 dcook        wizzyrea: You mean the Islandora site lives on Drupal?
02:38 jcamins      dcook: no, Islandora is actually built on Drupal.
02:38 dcook        O_o
02:38 dcook        Interesting...
02:38 wahanui      i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:38 drojf        apparently 'selfcheck' is a registered trademark of 3M. ot sure if i wanted to learn that.
02:38 jcamins      It's like a Drupal plugin for displaying Fedora repositories.
02:38 dcook        jcamins: I don't know what I would do without you sometimes
02:39 dcook        drojf: I like the definition of kiosk there ;)
02:39 jcamins      drojf: I've heard that usage of kiosk, but I never realized that it was common.
02:39 dcook        I meant a desk/stand/counter
02:39 dcook        Possible with a built-in barcode scanner
02:39 dcook        Possibly*
02:41 drojf        jcamins: it is in northern germany i think. at least it is in hannover (where i come from). i berlin it is usually referred to as 'spätkauf' (literally 'latebuy') or the short form 'späti' (like a diminutive)
02:42 drojf        dcook: kind of. a selfcheck machine with RFID probably, instead of a barcode scanner
02:44 drojf        that is going to be a fun day
02:47 dcook        Sounds worthwhile
02:47 dcook        I've been wanting to get some practical RFID experience
02:47 dcook        All my knowledge at the moment is only theoretical...
02:47 drojf        when the monitor switches from night light to daylight you know you have been up way too long
02:47 dcook        Yes!
02:47 dcook        Why are you awake?
02:48 drojf        i don't know. but i am really awake awake :/
02:48 dcook        Yata!
02:48 dcook        mtj: 'twas a whitespace issue
02:49 drojf        and yes, i got to the idea that way. i have nothing to do with rfid so far. but i'd like to play with it and get an idea of how it works and what funny things i could do with it
02:49 dcook        Extra spaces after the 23rd Leader position. As I mentioned...those spaces shouldn't have been there...but I figured that only the first 23 positions would've been taken into account by the Perl modules...silly me
02:49 drojf        if i learn some sip by accident that is ok too, but i'll try to avoid it ;)
02:50 dcook        drojf: I'm sure there are many applications :)
02:50 dcook        Mmm, sip is another one I need to look at
02:50 dcook        I think that's how some folks are doing RFID with Koha?
02:51 drojf        i suppose that is how all folks are doing selfcheck machine things
02:51 drojf        not sure in what ways you could use koha with rfid
02:53 drojf        [off] i know somebody is working on "RFID in koha", but i don't know what that means exactly. my question if there is going to be an RFC remained unanswered
02:56 dcook        Not too sure myself. Alas, if only there were more of me or more time...
02:56 dcook        Then I would know all the things
02:58 drojf        heh
02:59 dcook        Mmm, hunger really is the best spice
02:59 jcamins      What's for lunch?
03:00 dcook        Just regular ol' peanut butter sandwiches
03:00 dcook        On some tasty multigrain bread though
03:00 dcook        Om nom nom
03:00 jcamins      With jelly, or *just* peanut butter?
03:00 dcook        *Just*
03:00 dcook        I like jam but not with my PB
03:01 dcook        At least, that was the case 20 years ago
03:01 dcook        The more things change, the more they stay the same?
03:01 * jcamins    doesn't like peanut butter or jam on bread.
03:01 * dcook      is sure he can think of more clichés
03:01 dcook        You're also a far better cook than I am ;)
03:02 dcook        What's your fallback meal?
03:03 dcook        All this talk of peanut butter, jam, and bread really has me craving pesto though...
03:03 jcamins      When it's cool, flatbread or pizza.
03:03 dcook        Alas, our basil plants are dying after taking a pounding from the rain. The potatos are growing like champs though.
03:04 dcook        Mmm, pizza
03:04 dcook        Flatbread?
03:04 jcamins      Yeah.
03:04 jcamins      That's what you call pizza when it doesn't look like regular pizza.
03:05 dcook        Depends on your definitions of flatbread and pizza, I suppose
03:06 dcook        Although now I'm craving my partner's vegan pizza
03:06 dcook        Soy cheese is also surprisingly good on pizza
03:06 dcook        Must be all the salt..
03:06 jcamins      Well, is your pizza made with cashews, rosemary, and only a soupçon of cheese, but no sauce?
03:11 dcook        No, but that sounds delicious
03:11 dcook        My favourite pizza in town is potato and rosemary with soy cheese...mmm
03:12 dcook        Actually, I had it the other day with actual cheese rather than soy cheese, but my body didn't seem to like that too much
03:13 dcook        @wunder forest hills, new york
03:13 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 25.5°C (11:02 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
03:14 dcook        25 at 11pm?
03:14 dcook        I see what you mean about "when it's cool"
03:24 mtompset     oregano goes well with a meat lovers pizza. ;)
03:25 mtompset     And the diet I'm on... someone actually made a cauliflower-based pizza.
03:25 mtompset     I so wish to try doing that sometime.
03:25 mtompset     @wunder l7e5y5
03:25 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is 18.0°C (11:00 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
03:26 dcook        Mmm cauliflower
03:26 dcook        mtompset: You're in/around Toronto these days?
03:26 mtompset     Yes, I'm in Canada.
03:26 mtompset     Been here since November last year.
03:29 dcook        I knew that part, but I didn't realize that you were in/around Toronto :p
03:29 dcook        I seem to remember Paul A living...somewhere in Ontario...that started with a P?
03:29 dcook        Being a westerner, I don't know much of your strange province ;)
03:29 dcook        Been to Sudbury and been to Toronto. That's about it for my Ontarian experience
03:32 mtompset     You mean the paul who doesn't listen to advice? ;)
03:35 mtompset     dcook: That's okay. Everyone has their own geographic challenges.
03:37 mtompset     http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/unforgivable-geography-mistake (like Alaska is an island ;) )
03:37 dcook        I meant the Paul that lives in Ontario
03:38 dcook        Wow..
03:38 dcook        Ooohhh.
03:38 dcook        Now that I think about it...lots of US maps do show Alaska as an island, I think
03:39 dcook        Off on the pacific side
03:39 dcook        Just so that all the states are in the same box on the map
03:39 mtompset     I know, but still. You would think people would remember Canada.
03:39 dcook        I went to school with people who didn't know milk came from cows
03:39 dcook        Even though there were cows on the label
03:39 ibeardslee   ?!?!?
03:39 mtompset     Well, it could come from goats, etc. :P
03:40 dcook        It could...
03:40 dcook        But the question was "why are there cows on the label?"
03:40 dcook        I do remember seeing a goat being milked in kindergarten...
03:40 dcook        Advantages of country schools I suppose
03:40 mtompset     I remember a kid bringing a lamb to school and having it poo pellets over the floor. ;)
03:41 dcook        Touché
03:41 mtompset     No, his name wasn't mary. :P
03:42 mtompset     Well, just coded up a patch for another thing. I really need to get to submitting some of these.
03:42 mtompset     perhaps that result count is wrong problem.
03:42 dcook        Submitting is probably a good idea
03:42 mtompset     that might be next.
03:51 mtompset     Well, have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
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05:38 dcook        hey ya cait :)
05:44 cait         hi dcook :)
06:28 reiveune     hello
06:28 wahanui      que tal, reiveune
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06:53 gaetan_B     hello
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06:57 rhythem      anyone there?
06:58 rhythem      need some urgent help
06:59 sophie_m     hi rhythem, what kind of help ?
06:59 rhythem      i need some installation help in kohaa
06:59 rhythem      koha*
07:00 sophie_m     if you want some help you should tell us more about your probem
07:01 rhythem      ok i installed koha on my localhost machine (UBUNTU 12.10) , but i am not able to procede any further after the make install command as in i dont have any clue of what to do next
07:01 rhythem      install documentation does not seem to help me
07:06 sophie_m     Which version of koha, what kind of installation ?
07:07 dcook        I'm just about to head off, but rhythem, you might find the following useful: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
07:07 dcook        Packages are 100x easier than compiling from source/using the tarball
07:07 rhythem      koha version 3.00.00 , i am sorry but what do mean by kind of installation?
07:08 sophie_m     git, package, tarball...
07:08 rhythem      i used tarball
07:08 sophie_m     and the last stable version of koha is 3.12.00
07:09 sophie_m     3.00.00 is not supported any more
07:09 rhythem      i think i installed it correctly as "make test" did not give any errors, also i have all the pre requesits installed
07:10 rhythem      cant i install koha on localhost with preinstalled lampp server??
07:11 dcook        rhythem: I've only package and git installs (the latter a while ago), but it sounds like maybe your next step is to run the web installer
07:12 dcook        You do that by visiting the intranet page designated in your Apache config
07:12 rhythem      dcook: please can you explain how can i do that?
07:13 dcook        Having not done a tarball like install for a while...I'm not sure that's even the point that you're at
07:13 dcook        Did you answer lots of prompts after make install?
07:14 rhythem      yes i did answer a lot of prompts
07:14 dcook        You're using the instructions at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball
07:14 dcook        ?
07:16 rhythem      yes dcook i used these instructions
07:16 dcook        So where are you up to?
07:16 rhythem      Koha's files have now been installed.  In order to use Koha's command-line batch jobs, you should set the following environment variables:  export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib  For other post-installation tasks, please consult the README.  You have new mail in /var/mail/root
07:17 rhythem      i rant the commands just above pre web install
07:17 rangi        do not install 3.00.00
07:17 rangi        serioulsy
07:18 rangi        stop, and start with something from this decade
07:18 rangi        3.0.0 was released in 2008
07:19 rangi        i don't know where you would even have found it to download :)
07:19 rangi        please let us know so we can move it
07:19 rhythem      i just checked it is not 3.0.0 it is 3.12.0
07:20 dcook        In that case, I would keep following those install steps, rhythem.
07:20 rangi        3.12.1 is the latest release, but at 3.12.0 should be ok
07:20 rhythem      dcook i'll do that
07:24 rhythem      i am getting an error
07:24 rhythem      apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
07:25 rhythem      i got this on apache2 restart
07:25 dcook        Mmm, I think that might be more of a warning than an error
07:26 dcook        I think I've got that as well when running it on localhost
07:26 rhythem      oh ok.. i'll continue with the steps then
07:27 dcook        Anyway, I have to run
07:27 dcook        Good luck, rhythem
07:27 rhythem      thanks dcook
07:28 christophe_c hello #koha
07:34 rhythem      i am getting an error
07:34 wahanui      i already had it that way, rhythem.
07:34 rhythem      ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists
07:34 rhythem      can anyone explain this to me?
07:35 rhythem      wahanui i didn't get you??
07:35 wahanui      wish i knew, rhythem
07:46 rhythem      sophi_m can you help with this error
07:46 rhythem      sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
07:46 rhythem      ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/apache2/sites-available/koha': File exists
07:47 kf           packages?
07:47 wahanui      packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
07:48 rhythem      kf?
07:48 wahanui      i guess kf is very interested in accessibility
08:09 rhythem      i stilll cannot launch web setup
08:09 rhythem
08:10 rhythem      gives unable to connect error in firefox :/
08:17 kf           hm?
08:17 kf           hm have you activated port 8080 in apace?
08:17 kf           does it listen on 8080?
08:20 rhythem      yea i did that
08:20 rhythem      i has Listen 80 and Listen 8080
08:20 rhythem      both
08:20 rhythem      could it be because i have xampp already installed on my pc?
08:22 rhythem      netstat -nlp | grep httpd command did not show apache listening to 8080 :/
08:22 rhythem      although i changed it in httpd-conf
08:23 rhythem      tcp        0      0    *               LISTEN      22923/httpd      tcp        0      0   *               LISTEN      22923/httpd      unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     141783   31468/httpd         /opt/lampp/logs/cgisock.31439
08:24 rhythem      i am trying a git install and i got this
08:24 rhythem      Cloning into 'kohaclone'... fatal: unable to connect to git.koha-community.org: git.koha-community.org[0:]: errno=Connection refused
08:24 rhythem      seems like i am having a bad day :L(
08:25 kf           hm sorry, i can install koha, but system administration is not my strong area
08:26 kf           are you trying to install koha in windows?
08:27 kf           ah, there is also a xampp for linux...
08:27 wahanui      okay, kf.
08:27 kf           forget xampp for linux
08:27 kf           forget xampp
08:27 kf           forget a xampp for linux
08:27 kf           hm.
08:27 kf           ok, never mind wahanui.
08:27 rhythem      what to do then???? please help
08:28 kf           i am trying to
08:28 kf           so what are you trying to do?
08:28 kf           :)
08:28 kf           you want to do a git install
08:28 kf           in which OS?
08:28 rhythem      ubuntu 12.10
08:28 rhythem      i just want to run web setup somehow
08:28 kf           ok, that's good
08:29 rhythem      what should i do?
08:29 kf           have you followed a manual so far?
08:29 rhythem      i guess yes i did manual
08:29 rhythem      lemme give its link
08:29 rhythem      just a second
08:30 rhythem      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball
08:33 kf           hm
08:33 kf           that's instructions for tarball
08:33 rhythem      yeah
08:33 rhythem      i did everithing and i just cannot proced to the step of web install
08:33 kf           you said you wanted to do a git install
08:33 kf           what's the goal of your installation?
08:34 kf           do you want to to development? or just do some testing of koha?
08:36 rhythem      i have to perform basic modification in koha files and that is purely for my personal use not like i am putting it somewhere i just want to test koha on my PC
08:36 kf           hm
08:36 kf           so did you do a git clone at some point?
08:36 kf           still trying to figure out what you did so far
08:38 rhythem      i did a git clone and got a connection refused error so i did a tarball instead
08:40 rhythem      should i remove lampp from my pc?
08:50 rhythem      i dont know how but the websetup started
08:52 rhythem      but i got Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 646. now
08:53 kf           ah
08:53 kf           that's a clue
08:53 kf           koha can't connect to your database
08:53 kf           you probably told it something wrong when running the Makefile process
08:53 kf           did you create a database in mysql?
08:56 rhythem      i just di
08:56 rhythem      did
08:56 rhythem      named koha
08:56 rhythem      username kohaadmin'@'localhost
08:56 rhythem      but still the same error
08:56 rhythem      how to check what i told the makefile?
08:56 kf           have you granted the rights to that database to the kohaadmin user?
08:57 kf           see here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Create_MySQL_Database_and_Grant_Privileges
08:57 rhythem      yea i granted all privledged
08:57 kf           depending on what kind of installation you did from tarball
08:57 kf           dev or standard
08:57 kf           the conf file will be in different places
08:58 kf           if it's dev it might be in /home/koha-dev/...
08:58 rhythem      i did a standard installation
09:04 kf           hm not sure about the path then
09:05 kf           but if you did a standard, you are not doing a git installation
09:05 kf           those are not compatible
09:05 eythian      hi
09:05 wahanui      hey, eythian
09:34 eythian      in case membership at your library is flagging, hows how you get them back: http://cheezburger.com/7562739200
09:34 eythian      *here's
10:51 rhythem      someone there?
10:57 eythian      rhythem: probably
10:58 rhythem      eythian i am having a problem
10:58 rhythem      i ran koha and was able to start it
10:58 rhythem      now i am in koha logged in properly
10:59 rhythem      my problem is
10:59 rhythem      i have to stop lampp server to view koha installation files on browser and to view phpmyadmin i have to start lampp and inturn this stops me from viewing koha'
11:01 eythian      what do you mean by stopping/starting lampp?
11:01 eythian      it might be that it's running its own web server on port 80, and that will conflict with apache.
11:02 rhythem      see
11:02 rhythem      to view koha i have to use url
11:02 rhythem      now when i start lampp
11:02 rhythem      this url takes me to localhost directory which is not my koha installation directly
11:03 eythian      oh, in that case you'll have to move one of them to another port.
11:04 rhythem      how would i do that??
11:05 eythian      you'll have to configure them. I don't know where lampp has its configuration, but apache's is in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled on a Debian or Ubuntu server.
11:06 rhythem      basically i want to be able to view multiple websites along with koha on my system
11:06 rhythem      isn't it possible that i write something like localhost/koha and it takes me to koha directory???
11:07 eythian      It is quite possible, but you're going to have to configure apache to let that happen.
11:07 rhythem      could you please help me with this?
11:08 eythian      Not really, I don't know anything about your setup. However, I'd start here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/
11:08 eythian      apache is quite well documented.
11:09 eythian      wahanui: apache documentation
11:09 wahanui      eythian: huh?
11:09 eythian      wahanui: apache documentation is at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/
11:09 wahanui      OK, eythian.
11:09 jcamins      rhythem: Koha will not work installed in a subdirectory. Your best bet is definitely to change the port for something.
11:09 eythian      ah yes, I missed that. jcamins is quite right.
11:10 rhythem      what do you mean by port for something ??? i am a but amature at this so please explain if you dont mind
11:11 jcamins      rhythem: here's an introduction to Apache that might help: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/other/an-introduction-to-apache/
11:11 jcamins      I haven't read it, but if you're new to web servers, an introduction seems to me like a good start.
11:12 jcamins      A capsule summary would be that the web server can show you different sites on different ports (like 80 and 8080 for the OPAC and staff client), but only one thing per port.
11:13 rhythem      yea i know that basic stuff i dont know how to change this port thing and ol
11:13 jcamins      Ah. In that case eythian's link should walk you through it.
11:14 eythian      The first link in the User's Guide is "Binding to Addresses and Ports", that's a likely place to start.
11:16 rhythem      okk let me just go through it once
11:21 rhythem      going by the link i tried to change my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default file to this http://pastebin.com/ArwAKM6y
11:21 rhythem      but this doesnt seem to work for me
11:22 eythian      you probably don't want to change the default, you want to be changing the file that controls koha.
11:22 rhythem      i dint get you ?
11:23 eythian      you changed 000-default, however that isn't the file that manages the apache settings for koha.
11:23 eythian      You need to modify the file that does. It's possibly called 'koha' or something like that, depending on how you've installed it.
11:24 rhythem      no i dont want to mess with koha setting i just want my server to be able to point to koha and some other websites that i created in /opt/lampp/htdocs which happened to be the default localhost directory for lampp
11:25 rhythem      finay i did all
11:26 eythian      well the change you made will have put them on different ports.
11:26 rhythem      i was not listening to port 4080 in apache's ports.conf
11:26 rhythem      thanks everybody :)
11:26 eythian      ah cool
11:28 rhythem      ahh new error "D
11:28 rhythem      :D
11:28 rhythem      i had phpmyadmin istalled in lampp
11:28 rhythem      and i used to access it via localhost/phpmyadmin
11:28 rhythem      now i trued
11:29 rhythem* but it gave a 404 error
11:29 eythian      it's possible it's still on :8080, but I really don't know how your system is set up.
11:31 rhythem      8080 is koha, /opt/lampp/htdocs is 4080
11:32 eythian      there's more to it than that, e.g. I don't know anything about how your system is configured to access phpmyadmin.
11:32 rhythem      what details do you need i'll give u
11:33 eythian      you should find the phpmyadmin configuration and make sure it contains what you need it to.
11:34 rhythem      wait a sec
11:34 eythian      I haven't used it in forever so I don't know how it's set up.
11:34 eythian      (and I have other work to be doing right now.)
11:34 rhythem      ahh ok i'll work it around a bit then
11:34 rhythem      thanks anyway for all the help :)
11:35 eythian      np. I'm sure it'll be pretty straightforward once you see however it's set up.
11:35 rhythem      yeah i hope :)
12:07 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:52 tcohen       morning #koha
13:21 * oleonard   laughs at pianohacker's comment in yesterday's IRC log "oh god acquisitions nvm"
13:30 oleonard     khall around?
13:30 khall        yo
13:31 oleonard     How do you remove an individual reserve from a course?
13:32 khall        In the course details, you'll see a list of items on reserve for that course, there is a remove link for each item.
13:33 oleonard     Oh I see my problem. I randomly added an item which turned out to be lost, so the remove link is replaced with "item lost"
13:35 khall        that'll do it!
13:40 oleonard     Sorry khall I get the same results as jcamins on Bug 10382
13:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10382 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , collection not returning to null when removed from course reserves
13:41 khall        I'll have to give it another run-though to see what I get
13:50 oleonard     Hi maximep
13:51 oleonard     khall, you coming to Reno?
13:51 khall        that's the plan!
13:52 oleonard     Cool, it'll be nice to finally meet you in person
13:52 maximep      good morning =)
13:53 maximep      you know you typed too much on your cellphone when you expect tab to autocomplete your words
13:55 eythian      tab does autocomplete.
13:55 eythian      at least on the command line, and why would you be anywhere else?
13:57 maximep      not regular words :p
14:13 tcohen       don't u use swype maximep?
14:16 maximep      swiftkey
14:17 maximep      works better when I type in half french/english than swype
14:21 tcohen       interesting maximep
15:00 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10560: add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2bb7af21666ca61f65fb3163d8449823f5cab4b> / Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38f596d48e19c8f7890caea7a6eb59b6174cf5fa>
15:07 reiveune     bye
15:08 kf           khall: around?
15:08 khall        kf: I've gotta run, but I'll be back shortly
15:09 kf           just wondering if you could take alook at my comment on bug 10490
15:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded)
15:09 kf           my goal is to don't have people lose data.
15:09 kf           which will happen - this database update messes up data
15:10 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=986f7a24e8abe566d57a3488a8df87488ab3aeb6>
15:10 khall        kf, that makes sense now. i don't know why I didn't realize that earlier. Passing though that update will badly round the numbers.
15:10 khall        I can pass qa on that now, thanks for the clarity ; )
15:10 kf           oh good heh
15:10 kf           :)
15:10 kf           have a nice weekend!
15:12 khall        you too!
15:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1305 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:24 oleonard     Why don't the INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 instructions say to use dpkg like the debian instructions do?
15:25 jcamins      oleonard: because dpkg is broken under Ubuntu.
15:26 oleonard     How so? I thought I used it in previous installations.
15:26 pianohacker  wait what?
15:26 wahanui      is Godot coming?
15:27 jcamins      It tries to install i386 packages on amd64, resulting in things failing spectacularly.
15:27 jcamins      Apparently.
15:28 pianohacker  well, that's rather spectacularly unintelligent
15:29 jcamins      Yeah. I never looked into the issue, but I understand that Ubuntu (and maybe Wheezy now?) default to allowing you to run i386 code on amd64 systems (logical), but dpkg is not (and possibly will not?) able to handle that.
15:31 pianohacker  interesting. Does it install everything, even bare .dpkgs, through apt or what?
15:31 kf           bye all and have a nice weekend :)
15:31 jcamins      Nah, dpkg installs individual packages, it just can't install dependencies.
15:34 eythian      jcamins: I think it works fine
15:34 jcamins      eythian: cool. Guess the Ubuntu instructions could be updated.
15:35 eythian      there are/were issues with apt and multiarch resolution, but I haven't heard about them in a while.
15:35 eythian      Should set up a test vm and try it to be sure.
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16:20 rambutan     loris?
16:20 rambutan     wahanui: loris?
16:20 wahanui      rambutan: bugger all, i dunno
16:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1305: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1305/
16:29 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10560: make it possible for default interface language to not be English
16:29 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10560: add regression test
16:29 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
16:29 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , No way to disable english
16:29 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css
16:35 gaetan_B     bye !
17:12 tcohen       gmcharlt: r u ok with the followup for bug 9735?
17:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Choose language using URL parameters in any page
17:14 gmcharlt     tcohen: in principle; would have to test it
17:26 tcohen       gmcharlt: thanks, i want to drop it from my TODO list
17:31 oleonard     Dangit, zebra permissions *always* trip me up on a new dev install.
17:41 pianohacker  oleonard: After several git installs, I did my most recent one by hand, without Makefile.PL. Editing the conf files was a bit tedious, but the rest of it was actually easier
17:43 jcamins      Huh. I haven't had any problems with git installs recently.
18:10 oleonard     I'm probably following the install instructions too closely, not stopping when I should be saying "Whoa, that sounds dumb, I'm not going to do that!"
18:31 pianohacker  live a little, oleonard, install Koha like a cowboy!
18:32 oleonard     Yeah, a cowboy! I'm going to go find a Koha someone already installed and rustle it.
18:33 pianohacker  boy, there's only room for one sysadmin in this town
18:33 drojf        good evening #koha
18:34 * oleonard   uh... menaces pianohacker with another cowboy-related metaphor
18:35 pianohacker  "Now, in all that excitement, I lost track of whether my Zebra reindex failed 5 times or 6"
18:35 oleonard     Sorry bub, that's not a western!
18:36 rambutan     hi drojf
18:37 pianohacker  hahahaha well
18:37 pianohacker  It's clint eastwood, he was in westerns, it works kinda :)
19:08 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "Migration de Loris à Koha au SCD de l'Université Paris Sud: la méthode choisie et les différentes étapes: http://t.co/txmkDsNP7H #KohaILS"
19:53 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
19:55 mtompset     "Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes." might be a better topic. :)
20:02 mtompset     Thanks, gmcharlt. :)
20:08 cait         :)
20:09 mtompset     Greetings, cait gmcharlt. :)
20:09 cait         hi mtompset and gmcharlt
20:17 gmcharlt     howdy
20:20 pianohacker  gmcharlt: recievedlist in subscriptionhistory rather than receivedlist :(
20:20 * gmcharlt   winces
20:20 pianohacker  why do they do these things to us?
20:21 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10490: DBrev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e504b6f53c234cb3f786435e6fb8380379bac7b8> / Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16c57940441aac62c1c90538f3c7b7cd386e6d92>
20:21 pianohacker  they should wthdraw their spelling mistakes or recieve a good beating, I'd say
20:21 gmcharlt     don't you mean beeting?
20:21 * gmcharlt   laces up running shoes
20:22 pianohacker  hehe
20:25 cait         my patch made it in! yay!
20:25 cait         :)
20:25 cait         makes me happy every single time it happens heh :)
20:25 cait         pianohacker: there is file named receivesomething, are we talking about that one?
20:26 pianohacker  nope, column in subscription history
20:27 pianohacker  been helping a coworker with serials migrations lately
20:27 cait         looks like you are really busy :)
20:27 cait         i will see if i can find the one i was thinking about
20:28 cait         and i meant recieve of course... there are more typos with that one
20:28 cait         http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=7d930649065663325de95c3f8ecdbcea3bddb3b5&st=grep&s=recieve
20:28 cait         intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serials-recieve.tt:86
20:31 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ced4ca4e2d39856b4f00411eaee406b569199c1f> / Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d930649065663325de95c3f8ecdbcea3bddb3b5>
20:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1306 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:32 mtompset     cait: Congratulations on the love you feel triggered by a patch making it in. :)
20:33 cait         hm?
20:33 mtompset     You said happy.
20:33 mtompset     For me, it's the community expressing love. :)
20:34 cait         not sure i get you - but i was serious, it's something special always that i can fix things and make it work better. even if it might be a bit silly :)
20:35 mtompset     Just chalk this up to a communication failure and that I understand what you mean, but can't express it. ;)
20:37 cait         heh, i might be in a weird mood too - i feel like I am finally not totally overtired for the first time this week
20:37 mtompset     Out of curiosity, does anyone know if someone started a new bug related to bug 2318?
20:37 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error
20:37 cait         hm that sounds like we fixed it in the opac a whlie ago
20:38 mtompset     because OPAC still does the 404 thing.
20:38 cait         what's prompting your question?
20:38 cait         hm, or we fixed it in staff... i know it was only one or the other
20:38 mtompset     I think tcohen fixed it in staff.
20:38 mtompset
20:39 mtompset     for example, still pull up a koha 404 page inside of the nice OPAC theme. :)
20:39 mtompset     ^pull^pulls^
20:40 mtompset     As for what is prompting my question, I am working on a patch to hide the bibilo detail, if all the items are OpacHiddenItems'd.
20:41 cait         hm
20:41 cait         that should already work that way
20:41 cait         actually
20:41 mtompset     Nope it doesn't.
20:41 cait         well it did when i tested it
20:41 cait         but there is a bug in that you can stll access the page directly
20:41 mtompset     if you know the biblionumber, you can pull up the detail screen.
20:41 cait         which i filed and drojf was working on
20:41 mtompset     where is that?
20:41 wahanui      i guess that is a good idea.
20:41 cait         it will hide it from the result lists
20:42 mtompset     it is already hidden in the results list.
20:42 cait         @query opachiddenitems
20:42 huginn`      cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7386 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label batches cannot be batch deleted
20:42 huginn`      cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , hide withdrawn items
20:42 huginn`      cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9966 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incorrect 404 when a search returns one result hidden by OpacHiddenItems
20:42 huginn`      cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove hidelostitems syspref
20:42 huginn`      cait: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9607 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , pagination wrong if  OPACShowUnusedAuthorities  set to "don't show"
20:42 cait         let me find it
20:43 cait         ah
20:43 cait         i was thinking bug 10195
20:43 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed
20:43 cait         but you are right, it's also true for opachiddenitems
20:43 mtompset     Ah, okay... not quite overlap then. ;)
20:44 mtompset     But he will have the same kind of what to do other than 404 question.
20:45 cait         i think drojf had a nice idea aboutthat
20:45 cait         showing a message and also have a customizable area to add your own text with a syspref
20:46 mtompset     so it sounds like one of us will have to rebase our patch, depending on who is pushed first.
20:50 cait         yeah
20:51 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e1f8caf609aa58eabf6f353d12ec25e0e8e23a0>
20:54 mtompset     coding guidelines
20:54 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
20:55 mtompset     Any suggestions as to whether or not one should "# this will blah" comment code in our patches?
20:56 pianohacker  comments are good, no need to go crazy, but they're almost always helpful
20:56 cait         ^^
21:01 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2614e07e1e2e6386b5f91e65f127940072e54d4d>
21:01 gmcharlt     but note that comments are best when they explain the *intent* of the code
21:01 gmcharlt     i.e., please don't do this
21:01 gmcharlt     $i++; # increment $i by one
21:02 mtompset     No, I meant commenting for a block of code.
21:02 mtompset     That example, is just plain overkill and stupid.
21:04 pianohacker  mtompset: use your best judgment, for example, the "will I wonder what idiot wrote this when I come back in a year" test
21:05 cait         heh
21:05 gmcharlt     mtompset: but even for comments that describe a block, there's a fine line with comments that end up providing no more information than what reading the code does
21:06 gmcharlt     hence ... intent, which is something that often can't be deduced
21:06 pianohacker  yes
21:08 mtompset     is int(undef) obviously 0?
21:10 Dyrcona      pianohacker: When I run git blame to see what idiot wrote this, I most often my name on the line(s) in question. :)
21:10 mtompset     And that's the worst kind of problem to have, Dyrcona. :)
21:11 gmcharlt     Dyrcona: which is why the population of programmes will suffer an immediate decline if anybody invents a time machine
21:11 gmcharlt     (to say nothing of the rise in temporal paradoces)
21:11 Dyrcona      heh
21:12 mtompset     decline? Wouldn't that cause an increase? Because the code would be fixed before it was broken.
21:12 gmcharlt     depends if the default reaction is to shoot first ;)
21:13 pastebot     "gmcharlt" at pasted "mtompset - to answer your question, yes, but not in a useful fashion" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/112
21:14 mtompset     So, I should || 0 to kill the silent warning while I'm at it. ;)
21:16 mtompset     where is the qa tools repo again?
21:18 mtompset     found it.
21:25 druthb       o/
21:25 mtompset     Greetings, druthb.
21:26 druthb       Hi, mtompset! :)
21:26 cait         hi druthb
21:27 * druthb     wriggles happily
21:29 * mtompset   throws skittles at druthb in a pre-emptive strike since druthb threatened to throw some more often at him. ;)
21:30 druthb       :)
21:31 rambutan     >diff wriggles wiggles
21:32 mtompset     which is more intuitive $array[$#array] or $array[-1], in your opinion?
21:33 cait         not using arrays? :P
21:33 * cait       has a difficult relationship with arrays
21:33 * mtompset   chuckles, "Nice answer, cait."
21:33 cait         especially in java.
21:34 mtompset     Then I don't suggest you try thinking about arrays in bash. ;)
21:34 cait         mtompset: about the skittles - you will only provide her with more ammunition
21:34 druthb       rambutan: wiggling is what a kid does when they are bored.   Wriggling is what  a happy puppy does!
21:35 rambutan     ic. well, sorta. sorta not, but that's OK
21:35 mtompset     cait, it's virtual, so I think druthb perceives it more as a since of friendship rather than a way to hoard ammunition to have massive payback. :P
21:35 mtompset     ^since^sign^
21:36 cait         we will see when you are covered in skittles :)
21:36 druthb       :P
21:36 drojf        relationship with a ray? … was it mj?
21:36 * drojf      puts 5€ in the reallybadpun-jar
21:37 cait         hi drojf
21:37 mtompset     Hey, drojf. Just the person I wanted to bug. ;)
21:37 mtompset     I wanted to ask you about a bug that cait was mentioning you were working on.
21:37 drojf        no bugging tonight, going to bed. don't want to stay up until 5 again
21:38 drojf        if it is a really fast question… ;)
21:38 cait         drojf: 5!!
21:38 drojf        half past actually
21:38 mtompset     Are you touching opac/opac-detail.pl? And if so, which part?
21:39 mtompset     I want to know how bad a rebase of my patch will be if you get pushed first. ;)
21:39 drojf        yes i am. the beginning, after the 404, before it really starts
21:39 drojf        i think
21:39 cait         drojf: tsk.
21:39 drojf        i mean the redirection to 404
21:40 mtompset     drojf: Up until 5am?! Now that's commitment. ;)
21:40 drojf        i do a redirection there too in acse the record is not allowed
21:40 mtompset     I'm working on a patch just before the 404.
21:40 drojf        i did not want to, i just could not sleep
21:40 mtompset     Remember the hiddenitems conversation we were talking about? :)
21:40 drojf        what are you doing before the 404?
21:40 drojf        yes
21:41 drojf        i don't think anything should happen before the 404 check, but maybe that is just me ;)
21:41 mtompset     checking if all the items for a bibilio are hidden, and if so, changing the biblionumber to 0, to trigger the 404. :)
21:41 drojf        does not seem like the straightest way to do it but will probably work
21:42 mtompset     It does work. I have the patch working and tested.
21:42 drojf        not sure if it is technically ok to use a fake 404
21:42 drojf        but i was thinking about it too, as an option
21:43 drojf        either be redirected to a page that explains why you are not allowed to view the record or 404 if its "really" secret
21:43 mtompset     did you see bug 2318?
21:43 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Attempting to view details of a biblio that does not exists results in a 404 error
21:43 cait         i filed a bug for authorities giving you a 404 when you try to search fo ra non-existing one... if you 2 get bored...
21:44 mtompset     cait: Oh thank you so much! (that's sarcasm, by the way)
21:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1306: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1306/
21:44 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10490: Overdue fines cap can't store decimal values
21:44 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10490: DBrev
21:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name
21:44 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10529: Remove hardcoded dollar from patron message
21:44 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded)
21:44 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless
21:44 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10529 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Dollar sign hardcoded in patron message
21:45 drojf        mtompset: i did not know that one
21:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1307 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:46 mtompset     I figure if the biblio is suppressed, all the items are hidden, or the biblionumber does not exist, it will need to output the same thing.
21:46 mtompset     Though, I think 404 is the wrong output.
21:48 drojf        i don't think so. what i am doing is supposed to give you a hint. like "you can only see the details from within the university network". what you are doing is supposed to… probably not tell anything? and the no biblio available should give a hint on that. alternatively, that may be ok for you too
21:48 drojf        but not for me. or if so, only as an additional option
21:50 mtompset     good point on the "why is the item hidden". If it is hidden because they aren't allowed to see it, that is different than hidden/suppressed because they need to ask the library staff about it.
21:50 drojf        what i am going to do is, have one line saying the access is bloicked and a syspref to customize the rest of the information.
21:51 drojf        so you can change it to your needs
21:51 drojf        or just leave it blank
21:51 mtompset     what about the case the biblio doesn't exist?
21:51 drojf        not my bug
21:51 drojf        :)
21:52 drojf        anyhow, going to bed. see you at 3am if i can't sleep again :/
21:52 mtompset     Do try to get some good sleep.
21:52 mtompset     Bye, drojf.
22:03 cait         @wunder Konstanz
22:03 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:55 PM CEST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
22:07 * Dyrcona    blinks.
22:07 * Dyrcona    forgot it is tomorrow in NZ.
22:11 cait         hm ok
22:11 cait         i might be too tired
22:11 cait         can someone take a look at this if/else here?
22:11 cait         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=18722
22:11 cait         and tell me if they can spot a difference?
22:11 cait         ooh
22:12 cait         ok, i AM too tired
22:12 cait         i will look at this again tomorrow, my clue to go to bed :)
22:13 cait         hi tcohen :)
22:14 tcohen       hi cait
22:14 cait         tcohen: looking forward to the weekend? :)
22:24 pianohacker  jcamins: You around by any crazy chance? Was curious about Koha::Record
22:46 pianohacker  good night, all
22:52 tcohen       yes cait
22:52 tcohen       ph
22:52 tcohen       oh
23:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1307: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1307/
23:00 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10475 - Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
23:00 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10507: improve warning about duplicate patron attribute value
23:00 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10475 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Item form in acquisition not hiding subfields properly
23:00 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10507 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Typo when warning about creating duplicate patron attribute
23:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1308 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1306 2 hr 29 min ago)
23:26 * mtompset   chuckles, "AllowTooManyOverride -- nice name."
23:26 mtompset     Greetings, tcohen.
23:41 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=275f405c8b3920634907e5e1f2ef8ccecf497868>
23:52 tcohen       hi mtompset
23:52 tcohen       another national university went live with 3.12 today
23:52 mtompset     Did you get all the bookings sorted out?
23:52 mtompset     Cool.
23:53 tcohen       i got my plane reservation
23:53 tcohen       not sure how it went between the accountant and the travel agency
23:54 tcohen       but yeah, looks like i'm almost going to reno :-D