Time Nick Message 00:00 mtompset It works for three of the four operations, jcamins. Though, having started to look at GPG, I'm thinking it may be a nicer solution. The some of the RSA perl libraries are only CPAN'able in Ubuntu. 00:02 jcamins mtompset: right, but am sure it is possible to do all four operations under Perl. I don't know how, but that in no way lessens my certainty that someone has made it work. 00:02 mtompset Not using Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA 00:02 mtompset I haven't tried Crypt::RSA yet, and that was a PAIN to get installed. 00:04 wizzyrea there wasn't a package? 00:04 * wizzyrea admits to not yet checking 00:05 mtompset wizzyrea: package for what? Just making sure I didn't lose context accidentally. 00:06 wizzyrea libcrypt-openssl-rsa-per - the debian package 00:06 wizzyrea perl* 00:06 mtompset There isn't for Ubuntu... I cpan2deb'd it. 00:06 mtompset Yet another reason I don't like that solution. 00:07 mtompset If it isn't in the default repos, then it is most likely going to be a pain licensing-wise. 00:08 jcamins Crypt::RSA is licensed under the same license as Perl itself. 00:08 mtompset But it's a pain to package! 00:08 mtompset It has a lot of dependencies. 00:08 jcamins I don't care how you do it. 00:08 jcamins I'm just saying that I think there is probably another way to do RSA if that's the best solution. 00:10 mtompset the two endpoints generating public/private pairs, and swapping public keys is a reasonably sound way to confirm the message is from who they say they are and is not forged. 00:11 wizzyrea weird, libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl was in lucid 00:12 wizzyrea and precise 00:13 mtompset older version. 00:13 mtompset I think that is why I cpan2deb'd it. 00:14 dcook Ahhh...finally understand the "7 item(s) left 2 order(s) left" thing in Acquisitions... 00:14 dcook It's the number of items/orders you'd have to delete before you could delete that biblio... 00:14 gmcharlt @quote random 00:14 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011) 00:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 00:14 wizzyrea @quote random 00:14 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010) 00:15 wizzyrea @quote random 00:15 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012) 00:15 wizzyrea hehehehehe 00:15 dcook hehe 00:18 dcook Turns out it's also useful to run Koha using the same version of database and source code...who'd a thunk it... 00:19 * mtompset grins, "Been there, done that." 00:23 dcook IE-- 00:24 jcamins wizzyrea++ 00:24 jcamins IE-- 00:24 wizzyrea lol 00:25 dcook PeopleThatRefuseToUpgradeIE-- 00:25 wizzyrea oh man, that's a truth. 00:29 rangi https://soundcloud.com/rocknrolla-soundsystem/ken-boothe-is-it-because-im 00:32 dcook "The indexOf() method is not supported in Internet Explorer 8 and earlier." 00:32 dcook Rarrrr 00:33 jcamins dcook: you can polyfill it, if you must. 00:34 jcamins dcook: the first example I found on Google: https://gist.github.com/atk/1034425 00:35 jcamins dcook: a better example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/indexOf 00:36 dcook Intriguing... 00:37 jcamins dcook: don't take that as encouragement to go out and use IE8, please. 00:37 dcook I would never think of such a thing ;) 00:38 jcamins Good. 00:38 dcook Alas, the stranglehold of IE pervades client workstations 00:38 dcook And when the ajax busts in acquisitions as a result, it's an issue 00:38 dcook Personally, I rather they switch to Chrome or Firefox than continue to use IE, but...having worked in government and corporate environments, I know that's not always an option :/ 00:39 mtompset IE is a core part of the OS. If you are using Windows, you should be updating your IE, even if you aren't using it as your default browser. There is the exception that you should probably not upgrade more than once in a given windows OS. 00:40 dcook Exception? 00:40 mtompset ie 6 worked in win95, but it was better to stick with 5.5 :) 00:41 dcook Ideally, we should always keep our systems up-to-date, but users aren't system or network administrators 00:41 mtompset i believe you could get ie8 working in 98, but it was best to stick back at 7. 00:41 jcamins That leaves business workstations running IE8. 00:41 mtompset only if they are running xp. 00:41 dcook Which I'm sure lots are 00:41 dcook We have quite a few folks on IE8. Some even on IE7. 00:42 jcamins There are businesses on Windows that are *not* using XP? 00:42 jcamins Huh. You learn something new every day. 00:42 mtompset I've seen windows 7 in use. 00:42 wizzyrea at this point I'd be more surprised to *see* xp in business than not see it 00:42 mtompset I would have thought with a release of windows 8 being announced, businesses would have lept 2 OSes to 7. 00:43 wizzyrea people skipped vista 00:43 wizzyrea not win7 00:43 jcamins wizzyrea: alas, the last three corporate environments I've interacted with recently have been XP. 00:44 mtompset They should jump to 7, before they are forced to jump to 8, which everyone hates. 00:44 jcamins And I have wept. 00:44 wizzyrea oh well corporate is always lagging, but I would have expected even they would be moving to 7 00:44 jcamins [off] And then I've cheered up because I've realized that I told them they had to use a web browser that wasn't Internet Explorer, making this not my problem. 00:44 wizzyrea that actually surprises me 00:44 mtompset Not quite as short as "Jesus wept", jcamins. ;) 00:45 jcamins mtompset: true, but much more poignant. 00:45 jcamins :P 00:45 wizzyrea we strongly recommended to libraries that they skip vista 00:45 * mtompset laughs, "Perhaps." 00:45 wizzyrea but many went to win7 00:46 jcamins wizzyrea: I actually don't know what OSes normal libraries are using these days... I simply haven't noticed. 00:46 * wizzyrea was grateful that they skipped vista 00:46 mtompset vista was useable after service pack 1. 00:47 wizzyrea hm, thinking about it I think the WCL uses XP 00:47 jcamins World Combat League? 00:47 wizzyrea wellington city librar(ies) 00:47 mtompset No no, jcamins. World Class Librarians. ;) 00:55 * dcook can't think of anything witty to say. 00:55 dcook I seem to remember a lot of XP back in Canada though 00:58 dcook Right! Polyfill! 00:58 dcook I'm thinking that's probably the easiest solution...(seeing that I can't mandate the non-use of IE...alas) 01:02 mtompset Hey, if someone put it as part of the requirements (http://koha-community.org/download-koha/) [ A browser -- preferably not Internet Explorer ] ;) 01:03 wizzyrea no I don't think we want to do that 01:03 wizzyrea the opac is mostly fine in IE 01:03 wizzyrea in fact it's all fine, afaict 01:03 dcook The opac? 01:03 wahanui the opac is for patrons 01:03 * dcook ponders 01:03 dcook Possibly 01:03 wizzyrea the staff client works best with a browser that is not IE 01:03 dcook Actually, I think there's a little issue 01:04 dcook Maybe a couple issues with older IE 01:04 dcook One where re-directs can act funny and another where the search result page gets cut off at the bottom 01:04 dcook IE did not like me trying to use that code from Mozilla... 01:04 mtompset Many sites tend to specify latest version of browsers. 01:05 dcook Maybe I'll try incorporating it in a different way 01:05 jcamins dcook: oh? What error did you get? 01:05 dcook mtompset: I'm pretty sure those sites are looked down upon from usability experts 01:05 mtompset But, I was just joking. 01:05 mtompset Probably. 01:05 dcook jcamins: It just froze the page :/ 01:05 dcook Well, froze when I hit "add" 01:06 jcamins dcook: that's not good. 01:07 dcook But...I just stuck it in the intranetuserjs for testing...although I'm not sure why that would make a difference 01:11 jcamins dcook: it should work there, provided it's declared before you use it, and is not in document.ready. 01:12 dcook It's definitely not in document.ready and I would think if there were an issue about it not being declared, I'd be getting an error rather than it freezing :/ 01:13 jcamins Hm. 01:13 jcamins Yeah, probably. 01:40 dcook Hmm, I think that Prototype code from Mozilla might not work with certain kinds of for loops... 01:40 dcook Decided to say "screw it" and switched to using $.inArray instead 01:40 dcook I think I ran into this same issue ages ago when I was writing something of my own 01:41 dcook Cross-browser and dates back to jQuery 1.2.x, so all should be well... 01:48 dcook Huzzah, much better now :) 02:31 dcook bug 10541: If anyone wants a super easy sign off 02:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js 02:31 dcook It's only 2 lines of code ;) 02:32 dcook Perhaps it's not really that major...but it's pretty important for anyone using acquisitions and IE... 03:12 * dcook trots off to eat 04:13 dcook @quote random 04:13 huginn dcook: Quote #225: "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." (added by wizzyrea at 09:44 PM, December 19, 2012) 04:13 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 04:14 dcook hehe 04:14 dcook koha community? 04:14 wahanui i guess koha community is an amazing thing 04:14 dcook The koha community? 04:14 wahanui the koha community is, like, an amazing thing 04:25 * Oak waves 04:25 Oak @wunder islamabad 04:25 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). 04:34 druthb o/ 04:35 dcook \o 04:35 dcook hey druthb :) 04:37 druthb @wunder 77063 04:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 24.1°C (11:37 PM CDT on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 04:37 druthb Much cooler than earlier. we had a bit of a rainshower right as the sun set. 04:38 dcook Sounds nice 04:38 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 04:38 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 21.6°C (2:35 PM EST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 04:38 druthb (which probably cranked off the people wanting to blast fireworks, but that's their problem, not mine.) 04:41 * dcook thinks one day he might figure out how Koha circ rules work... 04:41 dcook And how they're stored in the db... 04:44 druthb Dark Arts. 04:46 dcook branch_borrower_circ_rules 04:46 dcook branch_item_rules 04:46 dcook default_borrower_circ_rules 04:46 dcook default_branch_circ_rules 04:46 dcook default_branch_item_rules 04:46 dcook default_circ_rules 04:46 dcook issuingrules 04:46 dcook And those are just the ones that "look" like circ rules off the top of my head 04:46 druthb Dark arts, as done by a schizophrenic. 04:47 dcook I suppose a person could git blame koha_structure.sql...:p 04:47 druthb Why, so you can send them to Azkaban? 04:48 dcook Nah, I'm far less forgiving. I was thinking a liberal dose of Crucio. 04:48 druthb eep! 04:48 druthb dcook is mean! 04:48 druthb hm. 04:48 druthb wahanui: dcook? 04:48 wahanui dcook is currently out of line. 04:49 druthb yes, well. 04:49 dcook lol 04:49 dcook I swear that had context at the time 04:49 druthb Sounds like it still does. 04:50 dcook Hmm, perhaps :p. 04:53 dcook Hmm, I think I recall how these work now 04:54 dcook hey cait :) 04:54 cait hi dcook :) 04:55 druthb Hi cait! :D 05:28 Oak Good morning Katrin Fischer. 05:29 cait um hi Oak 05:30 Oak :) 05:32 cait hi paul_p 05:37 dcook salut paul_p 05:37 dcook You're on early today! 05:48 wizzyrea the rules do some weird things. 05:50 cait hm? 05:50 wizzyrea they just do. 05:50 wizzyrea they work in unexpected ways sometimes 05:50 cait speaking in riddles she is... :) 05:50 wizzyrea dunno, dcook was muttering about them a while ago 05:52 dcook You know me. I mutter a lot. 05:52 * dcook mutters a bit more and goes back to what he was doing 05:53 wizzyrea it's not entirely unprecedented when discussing and/or dealing with the circ rules 05:53 wizzyrea @quote get 123 05:53 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 05:53 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 05:53 wizzyrea because 123, of course 05:53 dcook Hmm, that could explain it... 05:54 cait 123 explains everything 05:54 cait :) 05:55 dcook It does explain the easiness of ABC, apparently 06:05 dcook Bustin' bugs and...____ enhancements 06:05 dcook evoking? 06:05 dcook Not erasing.. 06:05 dcook Nor escaping 06:05 dcook employing? 06:05 dcook extolling? 06:06 dcook Hopefully not eroding.. 06:07 cait huh? 06:08 wizzyrea elevating? 06:08 wizzyrea eviscerating 06:10 dcook Oohhh, I like eviscerating although it's not all that relevant here 06:10 dcook Did you know that the French have a word for slitting throats? 06:10 dcook Egorger 06:10 dcook http://www.wordreference.com/fren/%C3%A9gorger 06:11 dcook I first learned about it when we were studying the national anthem 06:11 dcook La Marseillaise 06:11 * cait ponders if she is still sleeping because #koha doesn't seem to make any sense today 06:11 dcook hehe 06:11 dcook Sorry, cait 06:11 wizzyrea you are dreaming 06:11 wizzyrea that sound you hear, that's your alarm clock. 06:12 wizzyrea BZZT 06:12 cait waah! i am running late! 06:12 * cait runs out 06:15 dcook Encouraging! 06:17 cait dcook++ 06:18 cait that acq items problem - i had that happen in training 06:19 dcook I know I worked on that this morning, but now I'm struggling to remember what it was... 06:19 cait internet explorer does not allow you to order multiple items 06:20 dcook Right! Old IE not having indexOf 06:20 dcook Yeah, nasty one there 06:20 cait receiving on order? 06:20 dcook That's actually the one I could remember. There was another acquisitions related thing I did.. 06:20 cait :) i think you meant create items on order there, but that looks stil like my problem 06:21 dcook Hmm, I think I meant create items when receiving 06:21 dcook when receiving an order 06:21 dcook Yep, that's what the syspref says 06:21 cait right :) 06:21 dcook But yeah, placing an order...shoudl be the same issue 06:21 cait should be the same form tho... maybe fixes both 06:22 cait :) 06:22 dcook :) 06:22 dcook It took longer than it should've as I tried to be too smart 06:22 dcook Two line fix in the end 06:23 dcook Ah, that's the only thing I fixed... 06:23 dcook I downloaded patches for the other issue I had 06:27 dcook Is there a rule against family members signing off each other's patches? 06:27 dcook I don't have any family members who develop Koha, but I'm thinking clones... 06:28 cait lol 06:28 cait once you got a clone, we can talk 06:28 dcook hehe 06:28 cait and i will want one too 06:28 dcook Cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously 06:28 dcook Or maybe over a weekend 06:28 cait yeah 06:29 cait one could do qa all day long! 06:29 dcook I think we've talked about this before now that I think about it... 06:29 dcook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film) 06:40 cait hi viktorsarge_ :) 06:41 viktorsarge_ Hi cait ! 06:42 * druthb should probably go to bed. 06:42 * druthb wonders why cait hasn't said anything yet. 06:44 * Viktor still gets surprised sometimes that people go to bed when the sun is just up over here :) 06:46 druthb 'tis the wee hours here. I've gotta get out of bed and go to work in four and change. 06:46 dcook Indeed, it's a beautiful day still 06:46 druthb be well, all. 06:48 cait go to bed druthb_away :) 06:48 cait bye all 06:49 reiveune hello 06:52 Viktor Hi reiveune 07:01 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "1 seul SET fonctionne sur mes 3 SETs OAI :( #KohaILS existe-t-il un bug connu en 3.8.5 ?" 07:09 dcook RDA-- 07:09 dcook 260 vs 264 07:09 dcook Really? Really? 07:10 dcook @quote 123 07:10 wahanui @quote get 123 07:10 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 07:10 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 07:10 huginn dcook: I've exhausted my database of quotes 07:11 christophe_c hello #koha 07:15 * magnuse waves 07:21 * Viktor waves back att magnuse and christophe_c 07:22 magnuse heja Viktor 07:23 Viktor heia magnuse 07:25 christophe_c HI Viktor ;-) 07:53 dcook Night #koha 07:53 dcook Salut paul_p 07:54 drojf good morning #koha 07:55 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 07:55 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:55 wizzyrea missing info there: the wind is... wellingtonish. 07:57 drojf i didn't know the multilanguage staff client is such a secret :) 07:57 wizzyrea it's not - when I said there isn't a switcher I didn't mean "you can't change it" 07:57 wizzyrea I meant there isn't a fancy switcher like the opac has :P 07:58 wizzyrea but that wouldn't have been clear to anyone but me 07:59 wizzyrea I thought there *was* a fancy switcher but then I couldn't find where to turn it on 07:59 wizzyrea for the intranet 07:59 magnuse there is a language chooser for the intranet 07:59 magnuse it reveals itself if you have more than one language enabled for th intranet 08:00 wizzyrea ok well that is inconsistent design the :P 08:00 magnuse you can't turn it off and on, the way you can in the opac 08:00 wizzyrea :) 08:00 wizzyrea I'm not sure I like that :/ 08:00 drojf patches welcome :P 08:01 * wizzyrea doesn't have anyone to pay for that 08:01 wizzyrea plus, no one pays for things like "make the interface consistent" 08:01 drojf true :( 08:02 wizzyrea that stuff happens by magic you know 08:03 wizzyrea @quote get 123 08:03 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 08:03 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 08:04 magnuse i have not seen it as a problem, why would you want more than one language but not the possibility to choose between them? 08:04 wizzyrea why would you want it in the OPAC? 08:04 wizzyrea i don't really mind either way, I just think it should work the same in both :) 08:07 drojf actually i think it is pretty cool that it is possible at all. the inconsistency is not nice, but being able to offer koha in a multitude of languages is very cool. as somebody who worked on a translation i might add it is a lot of work, it's cool we got so many languages available 08:08 wizzyrea yep that is totally cool 08:09 drojf i used cool three times in one paragraph. i'm a cool guy 08:10 * drojf needs caffeine 08:19 drojf wow, our "journalists" suck. the conservative party replaced the german word for "data retention" in their manifesto with a newspeek word they have been trying to introduce for a while because "data retention" got very negative connotation. the headline is "they deleted data retention from their manifesto" as if it wasn't part of it anymore. 08:23 wizzyrea data retention meaning "we can mine this for data to see if you are a terrist" 08:23 wizzyrea ? 08:27 drojf data retention as in "we keep all your communication metadata for x months" where x varies from country to country. it's an EU thing that has to be put into local laws in all EU countries. they want to have 6 months in germany 08:28 drojf but yes, because we all are terrorists 08:28 drojf or, could be. who knows? better check, right? 08:29 drojf ha, some of them have been trying to establish the new word for 2 years now, because the old one got a big brother award :D 08:29 * wizzyrea sighs 08:29 drojf they needed two years to replace the word in the manifesto. that's conservatism :D 08:31 * wizzyrea is feeling the "chilling effect" that the knowledge of broad surveillance is conveying. 08:31 drojf it's interestig to see how they change from "OMG the evil usa are spying on us" to "our spying good, their spying bad" as they want to do exactly the same 08:32 wizzyrea it's more or less the same in NZ 08:33 drojf i think it's stasi feeling. better don't say things. better don't go out. better keep to yourself. 08:34 * wizzyrea isn't saying anything. 08:35 drojf but, you know, i bet there are a lot less terrorist emails and tweets these days. and no facebook terrorist attacks. 08:40 * wizzyrea isn't saying anything 08:40 kf hi #koha 08:41 drojf hi kf 08:41 kf hi drojf :) 08:41 kf where is the rest of the gang? 08:43 eythian hi 08:44 kf hi eythian 08:45 drojf hi eythian 08:46 drojf eythian: i guess i never really thought about the "run javascript on the server" thing for the encryption patch, i see the problem now 08:46 eythian drojf: yeah, it doesn't really make sense :) 08:46 drojf nope 08:46 drojf :) 08:47 drojf would have been nice to get rid of the gnupg package dependency 08:48 eythian I think it's installed on Debian machines by default. 08:48 eythian I'd say detect it, and have the function disabled if it's not installed. 08:50 drojf but i think you have to set it up somehow, even if the package is there and you don't need a key for the server. i'll have to check. if it's required, maybe it can be done via the perl package too. or it just works. in that case it would not really be a problem, even if the library does not care about it at all 08:52 eythian It doesn't really need setup for just encrypting things. The most that might have to happen is that Koha maintains a keyring file that it points gpg to, but I'm not sure about that. 08:55 drojf i will try to find a weekend to work on it somewhen before 3.14. if we had it in the next version people might actually be interested in it due to PRISM 08:57 eythian Unfortunately there's no good option for mail encryption, gpg is the best but it's not good from a usability point of view. 08:58 drojf true. i set it up for my mom on her first computer ever and it just works from within thunderbird. but i could not get friends to set it up themselves because they consider it too complicated 08:59 drojf is 3.14 planned for october or november btw? i can't find a roasmap on the wiki 08:59 drojf roadmap 09:00 eythian Late October is traditional, I think. 09:03 eythian There's an interesting thread on NZ-Libs titled "Prism, the GCSB and libraries." Unfortunately it's mostly talking about it, not dealing with anything concrete about what could be done. 09:11 drojf archive for members only ./ 09:11 magnuse the traditional date is 22nd november, i believe? 09:12 eythian yeah, it's a closed list 09:12 eythian ah, november it might be. 09:12 magnuse 6 months after 22nd may 09:12 magnuse or before :-) 09:12 drojf magnuse: i think it was only in 3.10 because paul kept pushing stuff 09:12 eythian I think I was mixing up with the ubuntu releases :) 09:13 magnuse ah, ok 09:13 magnuse 3.6.0 was 22nd october 09:13 slef eythian: put an article on your blog about gpg's usability problems? 09:13 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8882231/Wet-windy-weekend-ahead <-- just look what I'm missing out on 09:14 slef eythian: are you covered by our 30 degC forecast? 09:14 slef @wunder EGCL 09:14 huginn slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 18.5°C (10:01 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 09:14 eythian slef: it's not gpg's usability problems per se, it's the need for people who aren't used to that sort of thing understanding how web of trust and such works. 09:14 slef "Gedney Hill" still cracks me up. 09:14 eythian @wunder brighton 09:14 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 09:14 eythian @wunder brighton, united kingdom 09:14 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 18.4°C (9:45 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 09:15 eythian slef: I think it is supposed to get pretty warm, perhaps not 30 though. 09:15 slef eythian: no, coast breeze will keep you colder 09:16 eythian yeah, that'll be a good thing :) 09:16 slef eythian: usual problem of south coast in warm weather. On a north-facing coast like here, it's hotter in summer, colder in winter. 09:17 eythian yeah, I can see that. 09:17 slef Gedney Hill, altitude < 5m... can't see it more precise :-/ 09:17 slef basically I'm higher than it at 6m, and this is not high ground 09:18 eythian heh. So Gedney Small Mound is perhaps more accurate. 09:19 slef if that... it's one of the old marsh islands from before Holland was drained... Gedney Slight Bump 09:22 slef heh, elevation 1m 09:22 slef now back to work ;) 09:23 eythian yeah, I should do the same I guess. 09:23 slef drojf: I've seen that. I don't get why DDG requires javascript to read its forums. What are they up to? ;) 09:23 drojf they do? 09:24 slef drojf: blank page if noscript is active IIRC 09:24 slef drojf: don't you secure your browser? ;-) 09:24 drojf you are right. ugh 09:25 drojf ask them about it, they might change it ;) 09:26 drojf they have an extra html version of the search enigne, it's not like they don't care 09:26 drojf s/enigne/engine 09:38 drojf slef: "We are currently working on a new version of the forum, which will not be powered by any third-party. You can check out the test version of it here https://dukgo.com/forum/index" -- it does not look like that worked out well (was posted 7 months ago) 09:39 * wizzyrea thinks that missing 30C days is worth a couple of wet and windy days 09:40 wizzyrea hm, northwesterly will blow straight into our hill eythian... I'll let you know if your roof stays attached 09:44 eythian I hope that it does. 09:44 eythian It'd be very annoying if it didn't. 09:45 wizzyrea I don't think they're predicting winds *that* extreme 09:46 wizzyrea not like the other weekend. 09:54 slef drojf: I can't ask. Visually-impaired users are not allowed to register on that forum and I don't trust them with my facebook profile. 09:55 drojf lol. you have a facebook profile and complain about anything ddg does? 09:56 drojf does fb work nicely without javascript? ;) 09:56 slef drojf: yes 09:56 wizzyrea get the popcorn 09:56 wahanui Not hungry. 09:57 slef drojf: my fb profile is nothing sensitive but I still don't want random web forums posting to it. 09:58 drojf just send them an email 10:15 * wizzyrea is highly amused by the additions to wahanui's responses to get the popcorn 10:15 wizzyrea whoever did that, thanks, that made me laugh a lot. 10:15 wizzyrea ^.^ 10:25 * magnuse wanders off to a wedding 10:25 wizzyrea have fun :) 10:27 eythian don't get married by accident. 10:28 kf eythian: he already is... so that warning might be a bit late 10:30 eythian so clearly he's got a lowered resistance for that sort of thing, the warning is even more important! 10:30 kf lol 10:32 liw in a few hours, I'll be starting a week's holiday to go to a wedding too! it seems it's popular at this time of the year 10:33 eythian A week long wedding is quite substantial :) 10:34 * kf hopes the food is good 10:34 liw eythian, yeah, but when it's my only one, I'd better do it well 10:40 wizzyrea There's a band called 1023MB. They haven't had any gigs yet. 10:42 drojf lol 10:42 drojf liw: how can you know it's your only one? :P 10:47 liw drojf, true love! it would be inconceivable to want to marry again! 10:47 drojf aaaw :) 10:48 liw (no comment on not wanting to go through the pain of arranging a wedding again) 10:48 drojf heh 10:48 kf liw: who is getting wed? 10:48 kf wedded? 10:48 kf no idea how you ask that 10:49 drojf getting married? :P 10:49 kf drojf: pff :P 10:50 liw kf, I am 10:50 kf aha! 10:50 kf congratulations then :) 10:50 wizzyrea AH! 10:50 wizzyrea yes congratulations :) 10:50 liw thank you, thank you 10:51 kf hope you have a wonderful wedding :) 10:53 drojf a friend is going to a wedding too this weekend. maybe it really is that time of the year 10:53 drojf or you are all going to the same wedding ;) 10:54 liw :) 11:16 wizzyrea june/july is a popular time for weddings, traditionally, because people have just graduated from college, the weather is nice (in the northern hemisphere), and it's summer vacation time 11:17 wizzyrea plus if you *happen* to find out you're having a baby, winter is a more pleasant time to be pregnant than summer because all you want to do is sit on your bum and drink cocoa and be still anyway. 11:17 wizzyrea not that any of you wanted or needed to know that. 11:34 slef wizzyrea: greater risk of falling on ice, though. 11:34 wizzyrea see: sit on bum and drink hot cocoa. :) 11:34 wizzyrea no slipping on ice when on bum with cocoa. 11:34 slef wizzyrea: life goes on, including medical visits. 11:35 wizzyrea indeed. 11:35 slef wizzyrea: I suspect the ice risk and the reduction in alternative entertainments is why I see so many Summer and Autumn births in the UK... but I don't know what the winters are like where you're from. 11:36 wizzyrea I think with spud I had 3x snowfalls during that winter, including one the day he was born :) 11:36 wizzyrea hehe probably more to do with the lack of alternative entertainments. 11:37 wizzyrea I read something interesting about the birth rate in the UK 11:37 slef well, we've had 3 or 4 hard winters now and there seem to be more and more Summer-Autumn children 11:37 wizzyrea that it has dramatically increased in recent years 11:38 wizzyrea I can't imagine being pregnant through a summer like the one Kansas had last year 11:38 wizzyrea 43C? No thanks. 11:38 slef always happens under right-wing governments, doesn't it? People seek refuge in family rather than trusting society to look after lone oldies. 11:38 wizzyrea hm is that it? 11:38 wizzyrea the article I read postulated that it had more to do with the children of migrants 11:38 drojf so maggie thatcher made your babies? 11:38 slef to be fair, I don't know, but it's a fun theory 11:39 slef wizzyrea: oh please tell me you weren't reading the daily fail. 11:39 wizzyrea oh I don't think so no 11:39 wizzyrea actually I don't remember what it was from 11:40 wizzyrea i got there from Stuff I thought 11:40 wizzyrea stuff being stuff.co.nz 11:40 wizzyrea ...and now the word stuff looks strange to me 11:40 slef oh that reminds me 11:41 slef Tuesday, travelling into London King's Cross, train driver announces "please take all your things with you"... the use of "things" seemed incongruous (they usually say "belongings" or "luggage") 11:42 wizzyrea hm that does seem unusually informal for britain 11:42 slef the announcements are often automatic 11:43 slef one driver used to delight on running down the entire board of automatic announcements on the way into King's Lynn 11:43 wizzyrea hehe 11:43 slef really obscure stuff about making sure the disabled access ramp was securely stowed and so on 11:43 wizzyrea I like living in a place where taking the train is a common occurrence 11:44 slef have you seen pics of our new stations? 11:44 wizzyrea hmmm no I don't think so 11:44 slef http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_King%27s_Cross#Restoration 11:45 slef hrm, only the departure hall 11:45 wizzyrea ohhhh that's quite magic 11:45 slef they've removed the old departure hall at last, so you can see the station front too 11:45 wizzyrea travel hubs should be grand and inventive I think 11:46 wizzyrea with either a sense of grand stability, or a feeling of whimsy and adventure 11:46 wizzyrea I don't think they are necessarily mutually exclusive 11:47 wizzyrea do people like it? 11:47 wizzyrea the king's cross restoration? 11:47 slef I really like that elevated walkway in departures. Partly because the ramps to platforms 0-8 put me at the right end of the train for home without walking from the other end and partly because the ticket barriers are rarely used. 11:48 slef I think so. 11:48 slef I can't find a picture of the front (arrivals) square now that the 30+-year-old "temporary" departure shed has been removed. 11:49 * slef looks to see if he has one 11:49 slef bah, nope 11:50 wizzyrea hehe there's a platform 9 3/4 11:50 wizzyrea we have one too, but it's a dry cleaner. 11:50 wizzyrea ^ 11:50 wizzyrea ^.^ 11:51 slef imagine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:King%27s_Cross_Front_2012-03-26.jpg with the platforms opening straight onto the open square below the glass arch windows 11:52 wizzyrea ooooo 11:53 wizzyrea very grand. 11:56 slef It is, of course, still completely overshadowed by its neighbour http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_Station_2011-06.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_railway_station_MMB_04_373XXX.jpg 11:58 slef which is a long way from the "drive onto the platforms" state it was in when I first saw it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Pancras_Station_1980.jpg 12:01 wizzyrea hmmm lovely now 12:01 wizzyrea fancy train too 12:01 wizzyrea I don't mind a leisurely train ride 12:04 slef you won't find many leisurely train rides at StP - 180mph Eurostars and Javelins, 110mph Thameslinks 12:05 slef Even King's Cross commuter trains do 70 I think 12:05 slef oh wait, Thameslinks have sliding doors so are probably slower 12:06 slef 100mph 12:06 wizzyrea that's pretty fast :) 12:06 wizzyrea but I find that even at fast, a train is a lot nicer than say, a bus. 12:06 slef yeah I thought we didn't have sliding doors on any 100+mph stock because the wind blew them open 12:07 wizzyrea how do the doors work if they don't slide? 12:07 slef plug-style doors 12:07 slef they pop out of the body on arms 12:07 slef or we still have some old slam-door ones with hinges 12:07 wizzyrea yea, that's what I was just struggling to describe 12:08 wizzyrea pop out on arms 12:08 wizzyrea but mostly those sit flush to the train 12:08 wizzyrea which is sensible 12:09 slef there's been a lot of discussion about trains here... there's an upgrade planned, which was originally called "Thameslink 2000"... oddly it's now called "the Thameslink Programme" 12:09 slef so you can guess how long it's taking 12:09 wizzyrea hah 12:09 slef those two London stations side-by-side were a basically penis-size contest between two of the early railways, the Great Northern Railway and its former client the Midland Railway. Midland was forced to merge with London North Western after WWI and the resulting company focused on the then-Doric-arched London Euston, leaving StP to slowly decay. 12:10 slef MR built its own line and terminal because GNR prioritised its own traffic when things got busy. 12:11 wizzyrea oo interesting 12:11 slef I think a similar contest happened between the GWR and GCR in West London, with Paddington and Marylebone 12:13 slef StP only survived because of the focus on Euston, which was butchered in the 1960s 12:14 slef and when the Channel Tunnel trains needed a new London station to replace the overcrowded Waterloo (besides the political faux pas of having trains from Paris arrive in a station called Waterloo), StP was there, waiting for the new use. 12:15 drojf erm. i have been offline and talking to myself for 20 minutes and pidgin realized that just now? interesting 12:15 slef pidgin-- 12:15 drojf pidgin-- indeed 12:16 drojf i would rather not have to read the log parallel to being on irc so i can see if i am still "there" :/ 12:16 slef drojf: does pidgin not ping? 12:17 slef ERC pings a bit aggressively, reconnecting on even minor network disruption, but I prefer that to talking to myself. 12:17 drojf slef: apparently not? i am slightly surprised 12:18 drojf my internet connection was up so that can't be it 12:18 liw drojf, I've found that an irc proxy is nice, regardless of irc client (I use bip; there are a number of alternatives) -- admittedly, it's one more thing one needs to install, configure, and keep running 12:20 liw I like an irc proxy especially for the reason that I can then close my irc client at will, when I want a bit of peace and quiet from my co-workers, in order to do real work, and not be tempted by highlights and privmsgs and URLs to kitty pics other distractions 12:20 liw (iin other words, I use an irc proxy as a replacement for self-discipline) 12:20 drojf heh 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:22 drojf liw: i think an irc proxy does not really make sense unless i have a server outside of my network to put it on, and i don't have one atm 12:22 drojf hi oleonard 12:22 wizzyrea oleonard! I had a question for you regarding the bootstrap stuff 12:22 * wizzyrea runs bip on a rpi 12:22 oleonard wizzyrea! Go to bed! 12:22 * drojf should lose a pi in the university network 12:22 wizzyrea pft 12:23 * wizzyrea goes to fetch those error messages..... 12:23 drojf wizzyrea: a pi at home? 12:23 wizzyrea yep 12:24 drojf i could of course put it there, it runs my xmpp server too. but it won't help much if my network goes down, which i so far considered more likely than pidgin just not knowing it is offline 12:25 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:25 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.0°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 12:26 drojf oh but what i actually tried to ask when i was not here… 12:26 drojf stumbling across http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Security_Mailing_List_Proposal i wonder if a koha-security list has ever been established?! at least not on the biblibre list server 12:26 wizzyrea it was irritated at me about cssinclude, kept saying it was not found 12:27 wizzyrea now that could be local config type issues 12:27 oleonard wizzyrea: If you normally use the ccsr theme you probably have your opaccolorstylesheet pref set, and I don't think there is a "colors.css" file in my bootstrap theme 12:28 oleonard I'll probably have to add a blank one for that reason. 12:29 wizzyrea hmmmm 12:32 * wizzyrea bounces 12:32 wizzyrea yay thanks oleonard 12:33 wizzyrea ...also it probably helps having the files readable by the proper user, which I didn't think of until I asked you my question. But I still wouldn't have thought to clear out colors.css 12:34 wizzyrea oleonard++ 12:34 oleonard If that's the biggest problem you found then I'm winning so far 12:34 * wizzyrea goes to happily test it 12:34 jcamins wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you? 12:34 wizzyrea hmmm yes 12:34 wizzyrea but it's friday 12:35 wizzyrea well saturday morning 12:35 wizzyrea by 35 mins 12:35 wizzyrea [off] http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz 12:36 wizzyrea is the bootstrap theme, if you want to poke at it 12:36 wizzyrea it might have some strange settings set 12:36 oleonard Oooh, yay! 12:36 * oleonard pulls out his phone 12:37 wizzyrea and that is actually connected to your git branch 12:37 wizzyrea nothing fancy schmancy 12:37 wizzyrea so I can pull in your changes anytime, just drop me an email 12:37 wizzyrea cjh++ #again. For gitify. 12:38 oleonard Hm, well that's a huge fail. No narrow layout on my phone. 12:38 tcohen morning 12:38 wizzyrea it sizes down in the browser window ok 12:39 jcamins oleonard: did you do the scaling command? 12:39 oleonard It may be an iPhone "retina" resolution thing 12:39 oleonard I guess not jcamins 12:39 drojf oleonard: i get the normal view on a 320x480 (or something like that) firefoxos phone too 12:40 wizzyrea it's the same on my android as well 12:40 jcamins <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" /> 12:40 wizzyrea (chrome) 12:41 wizzyrea (that's literally the first time I've seen it, is just now) 12:42 drojf it's nicely responsive in firefox nightly responsive mode in the size of my phone 12:43 slef seems to behave reasonaly well zooming in iceweasel 12:43 slef opening in midori 12:43 wizzyrea it looks so flash! 12:43 wizzyrea Really pretty 12:44 slef wizzyrea: really? I assumed the colours yet to be sorted out. 12:44 oleonard wizzyrea: Update pushed with the meta tag added. 12:44 wizzyrea well more the fonts and such 12:44 wizzyrea sec oleonard 12:44 slef mid-grey on light grey is painful to me, insufficient contrast 12:44 oleonard slef: I based the color scheme on ccsr 12:44 slef I don't remember looking at ccsr 12:45 oleonard slef: It's not what I would choose for myself either, but people seem to like ccsr for looking more modern 12:45 jcamins The first thing I do with CCSR is generally change the colors. 12:45 slef "people" often ignore visually-impaired users, sadly 12:46 oleonard People are assholes. 12:46 * wizzyrea would quote add that 12:46 slef if we could make the main body background white, the main text black and the mid-grey lines a bit darker grey, it would help 12:46 wizzyrea but prooooobably don't want that coming up on the dashboard or on bugzilla. >.> 12:47 slef odd problem in midori - the text in the two drop-downs in Search has its descenders cut off 12:47 wizzyrea ok should be updated 12:47 slef does that happen in other webkit browsers? 12:47 wizzyrea well it's different now anyway 12:48 slef the login and password boxes are overlapping the right edge of the box beneath it in midori too 12:48 slef neither happens in iceweasel 12:48 oleonard Dammit I updated the wrong file, sorry. 12:48 wizzyrea but still not doing what it feels like it should responsively on my phoen 12:48 wizzyrea phone* 12:48 wizzyrea ah ok :) 12:49 slef there's a pop-up appears when I go over "Cart", but it vanishes as soon as I try to move onto the pop-up :-/ 12:49 wizzyrea slef, even if there's something in your cart? 12:49 wizzyrea because if there's nothing that's working as intended 12:49 slef wizzyrea: not tried that yet 12:50 wizzyrea all the popup says is "there's nothing in your cart" 12:50 slef why? I only want to move my pointer down so it's not hiding part of the text in the pop-up! 12:50 wizzyrea hm, in firefox it's below the black bar, my mouse isn't over any of the text 12:51 slef it's below, but my eyesight is bad so my pointer is big... 12:51 slef else I have to hunt for it 12:51 wizzyrea ahhhh yep sensible 12:51 drojf still not responsive for me on the phone 12:51 * wizzyrea thinks oleonard is working on it :) 12:51 oleonard slef: Isn't it the same in the old theme slef? 12:51 slef yep, same happens when there's something in my cart 12:53 oleonard Okay wizzyrea could you try that again? 12:53 wizzyrea yep doing now 12:54 slef [off] oleonard: probably. I sort of gave up commenting on minor accessibility things like that when kados told me to STFU, as our client librarians are currently all able-bodied and I've not enough time to do it myself, but this change seems like an opportunity to sneak some fixes in. 12:54 oleonard slef: That was a LONG time ago now. Please comment on accessibility things! 12:54 slef wizzyrea: same thing happens with something in my cart. Message now seems to be "[obscured] has been added to your cart" 12:55 slef oleonard: sure, when I get spare time. 12:55 slef http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-basket.pl?bib_list=2/ shows merge markers 12:55 wizzyrea yea I messed up :) 12:55 slef ok thought you'd know 12:56 slef now I've got same behaviour with a message "[???]s in your cart: 1" 12:56 slef it'd be nice for the pop-up to show details, or clicking the pop-up to open the cart 12:57 oleonard slef: The behavior of the cart popup doesn't change based on what is in it 12:57 kf slef: i am also very interested in accessibility 12:57 wahanui okay, kf. 12:57 kf lol wahanui 12:57 slef oleonard: could it behave like the Lists and be click-on/click-off? 12:57 oleonard It certainly could 12:58 slef oleonard: seems odd to have neighbouring buttons behave differently, no? 12:58 drojf yay it's responsive now on my phone 12:58 drojf oleonard++ 12:58 slef oleonard: I'd like that. 12:59 wizzyrea ok sorry how about now? 13:00 wizzyrea yay mine too! 13:00 drojf it has a margin/padding/whatever these css things are on the right and bottom which makes it a little wobbly when scrolling 13:00 * wizzyrea had to do some git gymnastics just now because she DID IT WRONG. :) 13:01 wizzyrea oh yea, it doesn't quiiiite fit my phone 13:01 wizzyrea just a skosh too wide 13:01 oleonard Where? 13:02 kf oleonard++ :) 13:02 wizzyrea like, if you are looking at it on your phone, you can rub back and forth and it's wibbly 13:02 wizzyrea not up and down 13:02 wizzyrea just the margin on the right I think 13:03 drojf the silver/grey background of "advanced search" etc. extends to the right and bottom 13:03 oleonard Okay, yeah that's weird. 13:03 * oleonard is seeing it for the first time on a phone too 13:03 wizzyrea \o/ 13:03 * wizzyrea is happy to help 13:04 * oleonard does not know what kind of networking magic would be required to make his VM accessible on his phone 13:04 Viktor Just popping to say that the new theme looks great. And I do love accessibility (and it's even a selling point over here) 13:05 wizzyrea those bootstrap icons are pretty cool, and enough of a universal now that people know what they mean 13:06 kf Viktor: not only a selling point here... required by law actually... 13:06 kf here :) 13:06 wizzyrea yea, I agree with slef - the cart link should work like the list link does 13:06 kf for public instutions 13:06 kf and it's certainly a good chance to make things better :) 13:06 wizzyrea it's... flashing. Not flash, but flashy. 13:06 wizzyrea as in it flashes when you touch it 13:07 Viktor kf I like that :) 13:07 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, that's a clear choice having tested it in a touch interface 13:08 kf Viktor: yeah, but i think it's still not done everywhere... slow process 13:08 * oleonard has on his list to see if the Cart would work better as a modal window rather than a popup, especially for mobile 13:08 Viktor The only thing that bothers me with the visual look is the icons for highlight, place hold and tag. 13:09 oleonard Viktor: Yeah, those controls are still problematic 13:09 oleonard I've been hacking on that without success so far 13:09 Viktor Icons requires standardization and only really work well in an OS 13:10 * Viktor stating the obvious to people who already know.. :) 13:10 * wizzyrea reminds people that oleonard has published his branch on gitorious 13:10 wizzyrea so you can fix too :) 13:10 oleonard Or comment on Bug 10309 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap 13:10 oleonard Or email me directly 13:11 oleonard Please do one of those things because if you just mention it here I'll forget your comment 13:11 drojf the order in the search form differs between the start screen and the login screen. on start i have the search field on top, on the login screen i have the catalog dropdown on top. also the login form is visible on the start page already so technically it would make sense to use an anchor instead of loading a new page to log in but that would probably destroy the functionality in regular view? 13:11 kf oleonard: do you want me to add my comments from yesterday about authority search? 13:11 kf i can do that tomorrow from the logs :) 13:12 oleonard Yes thanks kf 13:12 * oleonard has to switch gears and test Bug 2720 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned 13:12 * kf writes herself an email reminder :) 13:12 kf is ther an official "testing opac" now? I saw the link earlier 13:13 wizzyrea it's not official 13:13 wizzyrea but it is certainly for testing 13:14 * wizzyrea will try to remember to fetch & rebase every day 13:15 wizzyrea well possibly not tomorrow 13:15 wizzyrea or sunday. 13:15 eythian go to bed wizzyrea 13:15 wizzyrea hrmph. 13:15 eythian appropriate reply :) 13:16 wizzyrea \o/ 13:16 tcohen hi wizzyrea, awake so late/soon? 13:16 wizzyrea mmmm 1am :) 13:16 kf tsk :) 13:16 kf hi Dyrcona 13:17 Dyrcona Hi, kf! 13:17 tcohen hi kf 13:21 tcohen khall++ 13:22 tcohen thanks 13:22 khall np! 13:22 druthb o/ 13:22 khall Here's a problem I never thought I'd have: I can't qa anything because almost everything that needs qa'ed is either written by me or signed-off by me! 13:23 wizzyrea hehe 13:24 * khall goes back to signing-off mode 13:25 kf hi tcohen :) 13:25 kf khall: there is an ldap patch i woud love someone to look at 13:25 kf tried catching you about that for a while now :P 13:26 kf hm maybe that's gone from the list already 13:30 eythian http://nieuws.klm.com/ook-comicsansdag-bij-klm/ <-- "Vandaag is het weer Comic Sans Dag" ... http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007 13:31 khall kf: what bug number? 13:31 wahanui hmmm... bug number is wrong in the subject. 13:34 wizzyrea http://www.xkcd.com/1228/ 13:36 kf khall: I can't find it now... you are safe ;) 13:38 khall excellent! 13:41 wizzyrea it may be late, but sometimes... just sometimes... this is how I feel about MARC: http://www.xkcd.com/1209/ 13:42 wizzyrea and with that I good night you. 13:42 wizzyrea have a happy friday :) 13:43 oleonard Bye wizzyrea 13:44 jajm khall, could you have another look on Bug 8064, plz ? :) 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8064 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Merge several biblio records 13:44 oleonard khall: Testing 2720 again now. Thanks for the new patch. 13:45 khall np! 13:45 khall jajm: I did not notices the dependency bug. I imagine that's my issue 13:49 jajm khall, this happens to me quite often too, maybe a patch to git-bz could prevent that 13:49 khall yeah, that would be a great feature. 13:50 khall I'm afraid it appears that there is a rather large merge conflict that needs to be taken care of 13:50 jcamins khall: in 9755? 13:51 * jcamins thought he just rebased it. 13:51 khall in 8064 after 9755 is applied 13:51 jcamins Oh. Okay. I did not touch 8064. 13:51 jajm oh i will try to rebase 8064 13:52 jcamins Wow... someone entirely missed the point of Java. 13:52 khall jcamins: For 9755 Koha_Authority.t fails for me 13:53 khall t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t .. Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00) 13:53 khall All 3 subtests passed 13:53 khall Test Summary Report 13:53 khall ------------------- 13:53 khall t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 3 Failed: 0) 13:53 khall Non-zero exit status: 255 13:53 khall Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output 13:53 jcamins Apparently J-ISIS is Windows-only. Why don't you just write your program in something native if you're going to write a Windows-only program? 13:53 jcamins khall: hm. I'll take a look. 13:53 khall I don't have any authorities set up, so I thought that might be why though 13:54 jcamins If you run `perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t` what output do you get? 13:54 khall perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t 13:54 khall ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; 13:54 khall ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object 13:54 khall ok 3 - Saved record 13:54 khall Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51. 13:54 khall # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. 13:54 jcamins Modification of a read-only value? 13:54 jcamins ... weird. 13:54 khall One thing I notices was that the number of tests is not specified 13:55 jcamins Yeah, because it uses done_testing. 13:55 jcamins But apparently it's crashing before it gets there. 13:56 jcamins And it passed before 9755? 13:56 khall ahh, I see. I thought it might have to do the the test skipping. 13:56 khall on master: 13:56 khall perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t 13:56 khall ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; 13:56 khall ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object 13:56 khall ok 3 - Saved record 13:56 khall Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51. 13:56 khall # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. 13:56 khall same deal, so it's not your patch 13:56 jcamins ... 13:56 jcamins Try creating an authority? 13:56 jcamins Just to see if it fixes it? 13:57 khall yup, that fixes it 13:57 jcamins Okay. 13:58 khall perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t 13:58 khall ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; 13:58 khall ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object 13:58 khall ok 3 - Saved record 13:58 khall ok 4 - Retrieved valid Koha::Authority object 13:58 khall ok 5 - Object authid is correct 13:58 khall ok 6 - Retrieved correct record 13:58 khall ok 7 - No invalid record is retrieved 13:58 khall 1..7 13:58 jcamins I wonder why the SKIP works on my computer and not yours. 13:58 khall good question, no ideas though 13:59 jcamins Well, eventually it needs to create its own records anyway. 14:01 oleonard khall: I'm getting an error when I try to run overdue_notices.pl: "Undefined subroutine &main::dt_from_string called at overdue_notices.pl line 519." 14:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aecb163f69b238314bbd67215ce2d8950aeab060> / Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82e1b227943393c33dbec903a7287c49b593424c> / Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co 14:01 khall oleonard: I'll take a look, I forgot the use line 14:02 oleonard What does it need? I'll add it for my tests without waiting for a new patch 14:03 khall use Koha::DateUtils 14:05 khall oleonard: new patch is up now 14:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bed99a851646fd0c7a4c906dd9dfe60c485b40c6> 14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1290 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:29 kf tcohen: intersting about stop words in zebra 14:30 tcohen hm? 14:31 tcohen i'm *almost* sure about it heh 14:31 jcamins For the record, I recommend against using that feature. 14:32 kf i think it would mess up with searching "the the"? 14:32 * kf dislikes stop words 14:32 jcamins kf: nah, it's just for sorting so it actually helps... but it tends to lead to people having customized configurations that confuse the heck out of them when they go back to upgrade. 14:33 kf jcamins: hm ok 14:33 jcamins At least, that's been my experience. 14:34 adam_m Hello, Does anyone know if there happens to be a tutorial on using SSL with Koha? 14:37 eythian I'm not sure of a tutorial, but in general you just set it up like you would any other ssl site. 14:38 eythian We tend to run our systems like that. 14:39 adam_m ok, thats fine, I was just wondering If anyone had anything specific. I've never done any web design or anything like that. 14:40 adam_m Ill just look at using ssl with apache then 14:40 eythian yeah, that'll do the trick. 14:41 adam_m thanks 14:42 oleonard khall: Was there a reason why you didn't use the borrower_debarments.inc include in memberentrygen.tt? 14:45 oleonard ...before I try it myself? :) 15:05 drojf magnuse++ 15:08 druthb ! 15:09 * druthb hides from magnuse 15:10 drojf oh, i forgot how mean he is ;) but he also made a nice wiki page about koha apis and protocols supported by koha 15:10 kf true :) 15:14 reiveune bye 15:23 drojf why does it say 'desired_due_date (Required)' for ILS-DI RenewLoan when it is left out in the example (hence does not seem to be required)? 15:24 eythian perhaps it's an error 15:25 kf the docs are not 100% accurate 15:25 kf there was something for authentication too i noticed 15:25 drojf "the date the patron would like the item returned by" … as if they could decide that :P 15:26 eythian docs for APIs should really be generated from internal API specifications. 15:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1290: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1290/ 15:32 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file 15:32 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed 15:32 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices 15:32 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Spanish Zebra language definition file 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10474 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Translate some missed English strings in German sample notices 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Adding multiple items from a cart to a list shows only the first title 15:35 kf :) 15:35 kf every time i see one of my patches going into koha it makes me smile :) 15:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0397e7ea64c208c140d7178ed34c3bd4b266fcfb> 15:53 eythian beer o'clock now. 15:53 tcohen lucky you eythian! 15:56 drojf do i understand it correctly that ILS-DI is not supposed to do checkouts, just renewals? 15:57 drojf which in return means if i'd like to do checkouts from outside of koha the only way is SIP2? 15:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1291 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:00 gmcharlt drojf: correct, checkout is not one of the defined abstract functions of the ILS-DI recommendation 16:01 gmcharlt the patron services part of the recommendation focuses on services that a patron could do completely without library (or librarian) mediation 16:01 drojf i suppose self checkout was not considered something like that in 2008? 16:02 gmcharlt right, the focus of the task force was effectively interaction between ILSs and discovery interfaces 16:02 gmcharlt of course, you can always add a web service that handles checkouts 16:03 drojf ok. thanks for the clarification gmcharlt 16:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96ac578960cb4f2c5a964b3ac7fa4f9ba676b95d> / Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d32ab38148f7d75412a36e928dea799717bc5fb> 16:18 drojf C4/ILSDI/Services.pm produces XML in ISO-8859-1 16:18 gerundio hi everyone 16:19 drojf hi gerundio 16:19 gerundio been experiencing some "Out of memory" errors with Apache/Koha processes 16:19 gerundio googled around a bit, but couldn't find any particular useful piece of information about it 16:20 gerundio the errors refer mostly to "detail.pl" 16:20 gerundio but I have ocurrences from "circulation.pl", "mainpage.pl" and "members-home.pl" 16:20 drojf do you have third party services enabled? 16:20 drojf hm ok that is like half of koha 16:21 gerundio such as covers from Google Books? 16:21 drojf yes, i thought if it is on the detail page maybe something like covers or social networks is broken due to changes on the other side 16:22 gerundio we do have Google Books cover integration active 16:22 gerundio from memory I'd say that's the only 3rd party service we have enabled 16:23 gerundio the weird thing is that this totally messes up the server and requires us to restart it 16:23 gerundio this only happened in 3 ocasions so far 16:23 gerundio in 6 months running Koha 16:24 gerundio but I wasn't able to pin point the source of the problem 16:24 gerundio drojf, do you have any idea how to debug this kind of issues? 16:26 oleonard @later tell khall Ping me when you get a moment 16:26 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 16:28 gerundio btw, apache logs and syslog don't show any entries regarding these errors 16:28 rambutan gerundio: have you checked both the koha and system logs? does running "top" show anything? how about 'free"? 16:29 gerundio rambutan, the server is unreachable via terminal, so I can't really run any command at that time 16:29 gerundio after restarting it we checked the logs and nothing there :| 16:30 rambutan how much RAM is installed? 16:30 gerundio 1 GB 16:31 gerundio speaking of which 16:31 gerundio 2nd outage today 16:31 rambutan ah, that seems to be a bit light 16:31 gerundio happening right now 16:31 gerundio memory usage runs at 10% 16:31 rambutan really? 16:31 wahanui rumour has it really is off now 16:31 gerundio so I would really say that memory is the problem 16:32 rambutan any way to add ram? if you can arrange some downtime you might also run memtest86 16:32 rambutan how much swap space do you have? 16:34 drojf i'd also go for memtest. if that suddenly started happening your RAM might be bad 16:35 gerundio drojf, virtual machines 16:35 gerundio we have all servers virtualized 16:36 gerundio my 1st thought was also "1GB RAM is short" 16:36 gerundio but after seeying the values or memory usage 16:36 gerundio of ^^ 16:37 drojf gerundio: but then there must be RAM in the host. which of course can also go bad 16:37 gerundio btw, rambutan 2GB of swap space 16:38 gerundio drojf, we have many VM on that HW working without problems 16:38 * cait waves 16:39 drojf and you allocated different areas of your RAM to them, i suppose. 16:39 drojf hi cait 16:39 gerundio anyways, let me check with my colleagues who manage the VMs 16:39 * drojf has no idea how VM software manages the RAM stuff internally 16:44 gerundio ok, so the Koha VM as been isolated so we can check for memory issues 16:45 gerundio in the meantime I looked into the apache access logs 16:45 gerundio the last request before the outage was "/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-collection.pl?op=gennext&subscriptionid=33" 16:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d932f6ff250c3a50db379b23abfc40a77620e94b> 16:48 gerundio coincidence or not, the previous outage happened with the same request 16:49 drojf then you got something to try again :) 16:54 gerundio the librarians mentioned they were cataloging serials (is this the correct term?) 16:55 gerundio I looked into the DB and found the biblionumber associated with that subscription 16:55 gerundio so I'll ask them to try and reproduce whatever they were doing with this record 16:55 gerundio thanks for all your help 17:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37b3ac65e1dd363db8cc12793980a273b8cc09f4> / Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d02e2789e567158b30ad237d5efd864247dd4ead> 17:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1291: SUCCESS in 1 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1291/ 17:16 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool 17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9113 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , batch modification removes + 17:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1292 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:21 pianohacker Has anyone using dh-make-perl seen an error trying to require ExtUtils::MakeMaker? 17:22 jcamins pianohacker: yes. There was a package missing, but I don't remember which one. 17:23 pianohacker jcamins: Okay, at least I'm not the only one. What's confusing me is that that module seems to be a core module 17:23 jcamins I don't think it was MakeMaker that was missing. 17:23 pianohacker and the fact that it's missing seems important, as dh-make-perl vomits out 6 errors and fails after that 17:23 jcamins Maybe build-essentials, or one of those others? 17:24 pianohacker already installed 17:53 pianohacker what kind of asshat puts latin-1 in a META.yml in 2013? <grumble> 18:05 cait someone who didn't know better? 18:05 cait probably not helpful :) 18:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1292: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1292/ 18:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request 18:32 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available 18:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid 18:32 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices 18:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9533 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batch item modification should ignore defaults 18:32 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test 18:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10384 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error when LDAP connexion fails 18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10317 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Parcel should display a message when called with an nonexistent invoiceid 18:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10390 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to delete unused invoices 18:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #1293 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1293: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1293/ 20:28 * pianohacker wishes ebook providers used a standard metadata format, and Perl 6 was stable, and that he had a pretty pink pony 20:28 pianohacker actually, sorry, the pony's much easier to achieve than Perl 6 20:29 cait why pink? 20:30 pianohacker alliteration 20:30 cait very good reason! 20:30 * cait thinks 20:30 cait os maybe a purple pony would be another option? 20:30 pianohacker true true 20:30 cait :) 20:30 pianohacker color of royalty and all that 20:30 cait sorry, feeling friday silly 20:30 cait :) 20:31 bag :) 20:31 pianohacker well, you'd better take that to another channel. Here in #koha, we mean serious business! 20:31 bag yeah pianohacker they all have their own methods I guess 20:31 pianohacker pretty much. it's all dublin-core-ish-kind-of, but t'would be nice if they'd just say so :) 20:34 * druthb wields pointy stick, and takes aim at pianohacker. 20:35 druthb youngling, we don't pick on Saint Cait around here. 20:35 cait huh? 20:35 cait he did pick? 20:35 cait might be too tired from this week to notice 20:35 druthb tellin' you to take silliness elsewhere. 20:35 pianohacker oh goodness, my apologies 20:35 cait oh right 20:35 * pianohacker says three hail MARCs 20:36 druthb pick on bag all you want; it's just a paycheck, after all. 20:36 bag I don't think pianohacker was picking on cait 20:36 * pianohacker picks on druthb for picking on me for picking on cait 20:37 bag pick on me all you want - I can hang 20:37 * cait is confused now 20:37 cait you all get no qa from me today. 20:37 cait :P 20:37 confused no, cait, *I'm* confused. 20:37 pianohacker wait, I'm beginning to get the impression I was supposed to be respectful to bag to begin with 20:37 pianohacker aw, hell 20:37 cait ok, i was actually too tired anyway, going to do some tomorrow 20:38 druthb poor nickserv. It's having a nervous breakdown on me in another window. 20:38 druthb Respectful to bag? pshaw. 20:38 bag pianohacker: be respectful too all - like you always have been - who knows what druthb is saying right now :) 20:39 * pianohacker gives druthb his emergency tequila 20:39 pianohacker It makes jokes easier to convey over IRC :) 20:39 * druthb makes silly faces at bag, and goes to make a margarita. 20:40 cait ok 20:40 cait is anyone having pizza tonight? 20:40 druthb nope nope nope. 20:40 * cait does a friday sanity check 20:40 jcamins Nope. 20:40 jcamins Too hot. 20:40 cait ok, that's very very wrong 20:40 cait it's friday! 20:40 pianohacker crap. I'm the college student, I can order some domino's or something 20:40 pianohacker that count? 20:40 * druthb is working on being the only KohaCon sponsor who can actually manage to *make sales* at the conference, and have the customer go home with product in hand. 20:41 cait pianohacker: that would totally count 20:41 druthb imma hoping to crank up the lathe some this weekend. I'm hoping to bring about 150 items with me. 20:41 cait and i am also counting on magnuse here a little bit... 20:41 wahanui okay, cait. 20:41 druthb lol 20:41 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 20:41 jcamins cait: magnuse is at a wedding. He had pizza yesterday. 20:41 wahanui thanks druthb :) 20:41 pianohacker i 20:41 jcamins cait? 20:41 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 20:41 jcamins cait? 20:41 wahanui well, cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit... 20:41 bag cait Sonja and I always do make your own pizza on friday nights - so yes we are having pizza tonight 20:42 cait bag: excellent! 20:42 druthb wahanui: druthb? 20:42 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 20:42 pianohacker oh cool, I didn't know wahanui was smart enough to do that 20:42 cait so maybe that will balance out... somehow 20:42 cait pianohacker 20:42 wahanui I HATE XML 20:42 cait :) 20:42 cait cait? 20:42 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 20:42 cait cait? 20:42 wahanui you are, like, qam, not your secretary 20:42 druthb wahanui: jcamins? 20:42 wahanui 'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!" 20:42 jcamins me? 20:42 wahanui you are brilliant 20:42 cait me? 20:42 wahanui hmmm... cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit... 20:42 cait hehe 20:42 jcamins I? 20:42 wahanui i think jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. 20:42 bag NateC? 20:42 druthb ooh. 20:42 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 20:43 druthb me? 20:43 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 20:43 pianohacker me? 20:43 wahanui I HATE XML 20:43 bag bag? 20:43 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 20:43 jcamins druthb: I hadn't seen that one before. 20:43 druthb wahanui: become me 20:43 wahanui druthb: sorry... 20:43 cait be me 20:43 jcamins wahanui: be druthb 20:43 wahanui Harrumph! 20:43 cait wahanui: be me 20:43 wahanui hmpf. 20:43 druthb oh! Be. 20:43 cait hehe 20:43 jcamins wahanui: be cait 20:43 wahanui hmpf. 20:43 cait hehe 20:43 jcamins wahanui: be jcamins 20:43 wahanui Have some fudge. 20:43 druthb wahanui: be wahanui 20:43 wahanui Look at me! I'm a bot! Beep beep! Boop boop! 20:43 pianohacker bahahahaha wow 20:44 druthb wahanui: be bag 20:44 wahanui druthb: excuse me? 20:44 cait botsnack pixiesnack 20:44 * pianohacker goes back to being productive 20:44 cait wahanui botsnack thatpixiesomethingruthmakes 20:44 wahanui :) 20:44 druthb pixiesnax! :) 20:44 pianohacker and tries to ignore the facedancer bot 20:44 cait pianohacker: yeah someone should be - i have given up for today 20:44 druthb the *other* thing I'm bringing a bunch of to KohaCon. 20:46 druthb wahanui: pianohacker is also a Dune fan, it seems. 20:46 wahanui okay, druthb. 20:47 * druthb is in an ornery mood this afternoon. beware. 20:48 jcamins I didn't like the sequels much. 20:48 cait yeah, stopped reading them 20:48 cait but i like the first 20:48 jcamins Me too. 20:48 cait i even wrote something about it in library school for one of my courses 20:48 druthb I got up to God Emperor, and liked the story there, but after that, no. 20:49 druthb After that was like trying to read the Silmarillion. Backwards. 20:51 jcamins lol 20:51 jcamins . 20:51 jcamins Myshkin says hi. 20:51 jcamins Or ".", as the case may be. 20:51 druthb Hi, Myshkin! 20:51 cait . myshkin 20:51 cait :) 20:51 druthb hm. 20:51 druthb wahanui: Myshkin? 20:51 wahanui i heard Myshkin was more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue. 20:51 cait he is so skilled with words 20:51 druthb lol 21:05 aqualaptop hey, whats the process of reporting bugs in git bz again? did it a while ago, and my saturday morning search foo is failing 21:05 aqualaptop if i'm not round, mention aquaman and I'll see it on monday 21:05 jcamins aqualaptop: there isn't really a process. 21:05 aqualaptop hey jcamins 21:05 jcamins If there's a patch, you e-mail it to someone with push access, and we push it. 21:06 jcamins If the bug is that git-bz isn't working for you, you need to get the latest version. 21:06 jcamins rangi updated Bugzilla. 21:07 aqualaptop ah right, i can prob go and do a patch now, the bug was that I had a bug (9412) which was below a commit i had for bug 4439, and when i pushed up the patch for bug 4439, it didn't update the dependency graph, which I kindof assumed it would 21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service 21:07 aqualaptop would you agree that could be a bug? 21:07 aqualaptop bug 9412 21:07 wahanui bug 9412 is self-signed. 21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service 21:07 jcamins Yeah, we were discussing how nice it would be if it understood dependencies. 21:08 aqualaptop yeh, i've just come from projects that use gerrit for code review, which understands the concept of deps as it is just git underlying, whereas this will use static patches so doesn't understand it on upload 21:09 aqualaptop though i think in bug 4439 i mentioned the dependency in the commit message, maybe if we got a way to detect a line in the commit message and used that to build deps? 21:09 pianohacker yay! 21:09 * pianohacker is glad to see people using C4::Service 21:10 aqualaptop pianohacker: haha, i'm not actually using it, i just noticed that there could of been issues 21:10 aqualaptop was working for the catalyst academy at start of year, and did some koha patches 21:10 pianohacker aqualaptop++ # by association :) 21:10 aqualaptop i think i made developer #199! 21:10 cait aqua: you can also note in bugzilla using the depends field 21:10 pianohacker very nice 21:11 aqualaptop we gave #200 to a student, which I think is more fitting 21:11 aqualaptop cait: yup, I've done that now, just thought it would be nice if git bz does it automatically 21:11 aqualaptop as that is what i used, and didn't even check the BZ page 21:12 jcamins aqualaptop: if you know how to update that, I think it would be a *great* enhancement. 21:12 jcamins Even if you don't know how to, it would be a great enhancement. 21:12 aqualaptop yeh, i think i did something similar back in jan, so can have a look at it 21:12 aqualaptop stormy weather patches ftw :D 21:13 jcamins :D 21:13 pianohacker You have something in mind like automatically parsing a 'Depends:' line in the commit message? 21:14 aqualaptop could either parse the commit message, or take into account the git tree 21:14 aqualaptop for example, my git log --oneline --decorate --graph looks like this 21:14 aqualaptop * 517ae9b (HEAD, bug_4439) bug 4439 Change some helper files to use C4::Service 21:14 aqualaptop * 3ec0af6 (bug_9412) bug 9412 Add optional_params sub to C4::Service 21:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service 21:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service 21:14 aqualaptop which shows deps 21:15 pianohacker Hmmmm, parsing the git tree automatically could be tricky 21:16 aqualaptop yeh, thinking a depends header/footer could be better 21:16 aqualaptop though it is possible with git commands 21:16 aqualaptop find merge-base HEAD origin/master 21:16 aqualaptop and log to that base 21:17 aqualaptop and parse all those commit msg's 21:17 aqualaptop and voila 21:19 aqualaptop jcamins: can you point me to the latest git repo for git bz, and which branch, iirc there was a few to choose from back in january 21:20 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary - branch fishsoup 21:20 aqualaptop git://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git fishsoup is what i'm on atm 21:20 aqualaptop swt, i'm all good 21:31 cjh hey aqualaptop 21:31 aqualaptop yup, looks like i can do something similar to the patch complexities patch i pushed through 21:31 aqualaptop he cjh 21:31 aqualaptop hey* rather 21:32 aqualaptop btw, do ppl mind if i create a few *testing* bugs on the tracker to test git bz changes? 21:32 jcamins aqualaptop: not at all. Just give them subjects like "additional git-bz testing bug." 21:32 aqualaptop awesomesauce 21:33 * aqualaptop should really not use my laptop and actually sit at my desk xD 21:33 aqualaptop eeepc, 7" edition :P 21:33 cait good night all :) 21:34 aqualaptop night 21:34 pianohacker good night cait 22:06 adam_m Hello, So I have ssl working on the administrator Koha webpage, but I notice that you cant seem to have them both doing it at once. what are the implications though of having the OPAC website not using SSL 22:07 adam_m I mean i guess you can have MITM 22:07 jcamins adam_m: it means anything transmitted between the client and server in the course of an OPAC session is transmitted in plaintext. 22:08 jcamins So, usernames, passwords, etc., can all be sniffed. 22:08 adam_m right ok yeah 22:08 adam_m thats what i figured. that shouldnt be too big of a deal. 22:08 jcamins Nope. 22:08 adam_m im trying to keep this clean of any sort of student information anyways. should just be a username I choose for each person and whatever password they decide on 22:09 jcamins Well... 22:09 jcamins unless you are using a centralized LDAP server. 22:09 jcamins In which case it could be a very big deal. 22:10 jcamins (because they would use their organization-wide username/password) 22:10 adam_m Im running a Samba4 but no we arent using SSO for anything. but that does make sense 22:11 adam_m in that case we don't want the usernames and passwords to be similar. damn ok well maybe I should put some work into getting the OPAC website as well. 22:11 adam_m So far Koha is only visible on our domain though. 22:23 aqualaptop heh, forgot to change git bz password, locked my account for 20 min xD 22:23 aqualaptop also, "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account..." 22:24 aqualaptop broken proxy setup? 22:24 jcamins Yikes. Yeah, looks like it. 22:25 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please check the nginx configuration on bugs? aqualaptop got an error message saying "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account," and presumably it should list his actual IP. 22:25 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 22:29 * wizzyrea waves 22:29 wizzyrea pianohacker: I will check sure 22:29 bag hi wizzyrea 22:30 pianohacker wizzyrea: thanks 22:41 wizzyrea pianohacker: [10:40:30.340] SyntaxError: missing } after property list @ http://devlibrary-intra.wizzyrea/cgi-bin/koha/tools/calendar.pl:198 22:43 pianohacker that's... odd. I'll take a look, thanks 22:43 wizzyrea let me install firebug - that was the output from the firefox native debugger 22:45 wizzyrea I think you have a quote mismatch in a string 22:46 wizzyrea new year's day 22:46 wizzyrea firebug is a lot more helpful 22:46 wizzyrea or an unescaped one I mean 22:46 wizzyrea pianohacker ^ 22:47 pianohacker that would explain it! Thanks 22:48 pianohacker that's what I get for bypassing the sample holidays :) 22:48 wizzyrea I admit to not looking at the actual patch, I probably could have fixed that one for you :) 22:48 wizzyrea hehe 22:48 pianohacker is there a TT way of doing JS-escaping? 22:49 jcamins pianohacker: all translatable strings should be in double quotes, which should resolve the problem. 22:49 wizzyrea ^ 22:49 jcamins (unless you also have double quotes in that string, in which case you'll need to manually escape the double quotes. 22:49 jcamins *) 22:49 pianohacker jcamins: Not translatable, generated from the database and stored in a JS object for use in client-side stuff 22:51 jcamins pianohacker: oh. 22:51 jcamins hmmm. 22:51 jcamins I'm not sure. 22:51 jcamins The docs have a list of all the built-in filters, though. 22:53 pianohacker yeah, nothin' for javascript 22:54 pianohacker the choice then is writing our own tiny filter, like KohaDates, or adding a dependency on Template::Plugin::JavaScript 22:54 jcamins I prefer the latter. 22:54 pianohacker 'tis cleaner, I agree 22:54 pianohacker gmcharlt: any opinion? 22:55 pianohacker always best to check with RM :) 22:58 pianohacker ah, and it has a debian package. lovely 23:29 aqualaptop jcamins: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/fef44f one fixme, but you can test with bug 10545 23:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , additional test for git bz 23:29 aqualaptop works apart from that 23:29 * aqualaptop goes for walk to collect car 23:30 jcamins aqualaptop: if you want to send it to me as a git patch I can push it. 23:32 pianohacker bye, #koha, have a good weekend 23:33 gmcharlt @later tell pianohacker Template::Plugin::JavaScript looks preferable to me, too 23:33 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.