Time Nick Message 23:31 dcook hey tcohen :) 23:31 tcohen hi dcook 21:52 magnuse oh well, have fun #koha! 21:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB 21:51 magnuse and jcamins++ for moving Bug 10240 forwards 21:51 magnuse cait++ 21:51 cait fixing old old bugs 21:50 cait maybe? :) 21:50 magnuse and sp should cait, probably? 21:49 magnuse definitely 21:49 magnuse yup 21:49 cait and magnuse should be sleeping? :) 21:42 magnuse AND the sun is shining! :-) 21:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (11:20 PM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 21:42 magnuse @wunder boo 21:33 jcamins firefox-- 21:27 cait help me fix the bug ... it will help you forget :) 21:27 jcamins I thought "form 2010" was a scary form that the government made you fill out. 21:27 cait scary. 21:27 jcamins cait: in the US, forms have numbers. 21:27 cait from...? 21:26 * jcamins speaks typo. Never mind. 21:26 jcamins Oh. 21:26 jcamins Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! 21:26 cait this is form 2010 21:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4907 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Suggestions "organize by" menu doesn't reflect current choice 21:26 cait bug 4907 21:25 cait ugh 21:21 cait good night drojf :) 21:20 drojf good night #koha 20:52 cait it's just a bit weird 20:52 cait hm ok, maybe it#s not a bad problem after all 20:34 cait and the template processing files are very scary 20:34 cait i have no idea why the scripts pick those up to be translated 20:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10492 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Translation problems with TT directives in po files 20:31 cait bug 10492 20:31 * cait wishes hard rangi was here 20:25 kathryn hello cait :) 20:25 cait good morning kathryn :) 20:24 cait *hint* 20:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) 20:24 * cait just uploaded a patch for bug 10490 19:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Stable , OPAC items table CSS classes 19:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10425 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Help page missing for Local Use preferences 19:52 jenkins_koha * Chris Hall: Bug 10245: add CSS classes to OPAC detail items table header 19:52 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10425: tweaks to text of help for local use system preference 19:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10315 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use easier readable font for generated passwords 19:52 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10425 - Help page missing for Local Use preferences 19:52 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10315 - Use easier readable font for generated passwords 19:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #58: UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/58/ 19:39 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 19:39 drojf @later tell slef re: duckduckgo vs. ixquick, i remembered why i had the vague distaste for ixquick. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/4902#comment:6 also further down it says they did not want to work with tor. there is even a new bug on that tracker asking to be removed as standard search engine from the tor browser bundle. duckduckgo on the other hand has a hidden tor service and runs a tor exit enclave 19:36 mtompset Thanks for the explanation, druthb. 19:34 mtompset Ah, nasty double-edged sword that is. 19:33 druthb jcamins: So I've heard. mtompset: perhaps. Less stigmatizing, and that's a good thing, but it makes it *harder* to get insurance coverage. (As if it wasn't hard enough.) 19:13 mtompset bye, tcohen 19:13 tcohen bye #koha, gotta run 19:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:02 drojf i can try ;) 19:02 rambutan drojf: send 1/2 of it here 19:01 drojf wheeee thunderstorm 18:59 drojf dysphoria? isn't that a symptom? 18:48 mtompset dysphoria vs. identity disorder. 18:48 mtompset Actually, isn't the reclassification an improvement? 18:46 jcamins druthb: BTW, don't feel bad about the reclassification in DSM5. DSM5 is not real respected by current practitioners. 18:44 * cait hides 18:44 * cait feels like this channel is too smart for her maybe tonight 18:44 tcohen i prefer blake 18:43 cait wow 18:42 oleonard Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 18:41 mtompset DSM, druthb? 18:40 tcohen The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom 18:39 cait and then you can have the other patch on a new bug when you can fit it in :) 18:39 cait oleonard: i will pass qa on it 18:39 cait should have checked the paths 18:39 cait at least I was not crazy... or only a little bit 18:39 oleonard Yes I suppose I should 18:39 mtompset all mimsy were the burrow groves and momewraths out grabe. -- or something like that. :) 18:38 cait oleonard: do you want to do a follow up for ccsr? 18:38 cait g 18:38 cait yeah fixed in pro 18:37 cait i was looking at ccsr all the time 18:37 oleonard Yes 18:37 cait but htat's prog right? 18:37 cait http://localhost/opac-tmpl/prog/images/sprite.png < shows the sprite 18:37 cait switching opacthemes now :( 18:37 cait i did as you told me... and it didn't work 18:36 oleonard Yes 18:36 cait oleonard: still around? 18:35 wahanui magnuse: I forgot not sure 18:35 magnuse wahanui: forget not sure 18:34 wahanui it has been said that not sure is related to the patch itself 18:34 cait tcohen: not sure 18:34 drojf then i better postpone all the signoffs i planned ;) 18:34 tcohen does anyone remember what happened to a proposed circulation dashboard for koha? 18:33 cait hm our dashboard is still june :) 18:32 cait and the drojf appears.. :) 18:32 drojf what do you kids learn in school these days? :P 18:32 cait ;) 18:32 cait oh of course 18:31 jcamins cait: it's from a famous poem by Louis Carroll. The Jabberwocky. 18:31 cait jcamins: ? 18:28 jcamins I meant gimbling, not gamboling, of course. 18:28 jcamins ("'Twas brillig, and the glithy icons / did gyre and gimble in the wabe...") 18:26 jcamins cait: while gamboling? :) 18:26 cait i should take a look at the glithy icon again :) 18:26 cait that reminds me... 18:26 cait lol 18:26 jcamins And cleared its caches. 18:26 jcamins And I said "oh yeah? We'll see about that!" 18:25 jcamins And FF said "oh, go stuff yourself. 18:25 jcamins I did. 18:25 oleonard Why not pull up that file in the browser and refresh it? 18:24 jcamins In order to reload a single JS file you have to wipe your entire cache. 18:24 oleonard Sir you go too far 18:24 jcamins In fact, I am disturbingly reminded of IE. 18:23 druthb yes, it is. 18:22 druthb :P 18:21 jcamins FF is a really miserable browser to use. 18:21 jcamins Wow. You know what I had forgotten? 18:20 druthb My only regret about the new DSM version 5, is that it quit calling what I am a "disorder." It's the most disorderly part of my life, and I revel in it. 18:19 druthb Do not try to out-crazy me, little man. :P 18:18 druthb He did, didn't he... 18:18 * druthb reviews the bidding. 18:18 oleonard Oh it is ON 18:18 druthb jcamins, did you just claim to be insane? 18:12 cait superlibrarians++ :) 18:11 cait jcamins++ 18:11 cait yay! 18:11 jcamins :) 18:11 tcohen a super-librarian model for them 18:10 tcohen UNC's librarians love jcamins 18:10 cait [off] why can't it be said loud that jcamins was a librarian rm? :) 18:10 cait heh 18:09 jcamins [off] Not entirely like them... they are presumably sane. :P 18:09 tcohen [off] they are REALLY proud the 3.12 RM was a librarian, like them 18:08 jcamins [off] I'm glad to hear that. Why so? 18:08 jcamins Up to you. I don't have any opinions on that. I like the patch series quite a lot, personally, but that's not the question. 18:08 tcohen [off] UNC's librarians love you BTW 18:08 jcamins Ah. 18:07 tcohen i love that patches, but am worried about dificulties for the end-user 18:07 tcohen due to a 2 bugs related to callnumber ordering 18:06 tcohen i added a new dependency 18:05 jcamins tcohen: what are you thinking of reverting? 18:02 * tcohen is in Hamlet-mode, "to revert or not revert" 18:01 tcohen is rangi already awake? 17:34 cait hi tcohen :) 17:33 tcohen hi cait 17:33 cait omnomnom 17:29 druthb cait: caitsnack cookie! 17:18 mtompset A lot of timeouts. 17:17 mtompset Greetings, cait and rambutan. 17:11 cait hi rambutan 17:11 rambutan hi cait 17:08 cait hi #koha 15:50 kf bye all :) 15:47 eythian s/uploads/has now uploaded/ 15:46 * eythian uploads new packages for master 15:44 eythian :) 15:43 mtompset Sorry, eythian. 15:42 mtompset BAD ME. 15:42 mtompset doh! I so lack reading skills. 15:42 eythian then you have root, and su will work. 15:42 eythian why not just use 'sudo koha-shell', like I said in the email? 15:42 eythian that's a bad idea 15:41 mtompset But that is bad. 15:41 mtompset I tend to use sudo -i, and just stay in root for a bit, myself. 15:41 eythian and how is that normally done? 15:41 mtompset right... but it needs root permissions to su. 15:40 eythian the second field is the relevant one here. 15:40 eythian > Gebruik: su [opties] [gebruikersnaam] 15:39 eythian I think you misunderstand the purpose of su and what it does 15:39 mtompset and because the root account is disabled su won't work. 15:38 mtompset let me check that again, because it prompted for a password. 15:38 eythian an su does work on ubuntu 15:38 eythian and koha-shell only does that if you specify -l / --login 15:38 eythian it tells su to use a login shell 15:37 eythian right, but su - is a specific thing 15:37 mtompset It uses su. 15:37 mtompset okay, su blah balh. 15:37 eythian there is no - in that 15:37 mtompset I grabbed that line from koha-shell. 15:37 eythian it doesn't use su - 15:37 mtompset Yes, it does. 15:37 mtompset push @su_args, '/bin/su'; 15:35 mtompset let me go check again... 15:35 eythian no it doesn't 15:35 mtompset Happy Canada Day, by the way. :) 15:35 mtompset but koha-shell does. 15:34 eythian however, it doesn't use su - 15:33 kf just a busy monday 15:33 eythian sudo -s 15:33 mtompset So, for ubuntu users... sudo -i or sudo su - first? 15:33 mtompset *whew* Thanks. 15:33 kf mtompset: the ... were indicating a smiley ;) 15:32 druthb mtompset++ # learning, bringing patches, asking questions, listening to good advice. 15:32 mtompset eythian's suggestion of koha-shell is good. Except, su - doesn't work under Ubuntu by default. 15:31 mtompset Nice Trek reference, druthb. 15:30 druthb mtompset: when we start doing this, then you'll know for sure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c2etjMl3WM 15:29 mtompset kf, the lack of smileys on that makes sarcasm difficult to detect, if you did intend it. :( 15:28 kf now that you mention it... 15:28 mtompset Just making sure the channel silence isn't because I did something taboo and now everyone is shunning me. ;) 15:27 druthb Nothing; if you had, I'd have used my slingshot. ;-) Greetings! 15:27 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 15:27 mtompset What did I do this time?! 15:27 * druthb chucks Skittles at mtompset. 15:10 mtompset Greetings, kf. 15:10 kf heh 15:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:08 eythian It just the price that people not living in NZ have to pay. 15:08 eythian well, coming from NZ is a problem, because NZ is the normal time for everywhere, so you're fighting being used to that. 15:07 kf but i have never again been so awake at 4 am... that was kinda handy 15:07 reiveune bye 15:06 kf :) 15:06 kf i just fell asleep at a certain time too early no matter what was around me 15:06 kf took me a week or so after coming back from nz to go back to 'normal' last time 15:05 eythian two sleeps at normal sleep times for the local zone, that is... 15:04 eythian typically, I find that two sleeps and I'm realigned sufficiently. 15:03 eythian jcamins: the standing on anything in particular is part of my scepticalness. 15:03 eythian oleonard: well, now you've framed it using science words, I totally get it! 15:02 jcamins I didn't try it because it's possible I didn't really believe that standing on stone instead of concrete would make a difference. 15:02 oleonard The Earth's time zone rays can't reach you as quickly through concrete 15:02 * eythian is sceptical. 15:02 jcamins *Edinburgh 15:01 jcamins No idea if that's true, but I was told that when I went to Edinburhg. 15:01 jcamins eythian: no, really, I was told that standing on actual stone rather than concrete helps you adjust faster. 15:01 eythian jcamins: it's bad luck to be superstitious. 15:00 jcamins eythian: I think you're supposed to stand on stone. 15:00 eythian that's not a silly idea really. 15:00 eythian Yeah 15:00 eythian It is 2am according to my body clock, and it's telling me that I should be thinking about sleeping. 15:00 kf it's supposed to help resetting your body clock or something 15:00 kf go for a walk in the sun if you can 14:59 eythian I do feel a little like I should... 14:59 kf eythian: i constantly want to tell you to go to bed... 14:21 kf still annoyed at myself for missing it :) 14:20 kf that's why lots of eyes is good :) 14:20 kf i missed it too 14:19 oleonard I see it now. I missed that some JS was referencing that div. I swear I looked for it. 14:17 kf i passed it and he found something ... *sigh* :) 14:14 oleonard No 14:14 kf did you see galen's comment about the error dialog patch? 14:14 kf i really thougth that it shoudl work, but i jsut couldn't make it work... bit frustrating :) 14:13 kf i will try to retest tonight 14:13 kf thx 14:13 oleonard Sure 14:13 kf to the picture? 14:13 kf oleonard: could you put the URL on the bug? 14:13 kf but it stayed the same 14:13 kf i think i even did strg + 0 to resize 14:13 kf hm I don't think so no 14:12 oleonard kf: Do you have a special font size or zoom setting in your browser? 14:12 oleonard kf: If you don't mind, maybe you could pull up the image itself in the browser, refresh, and confirm that you're getting the right one 14:10 kf and tried firefox too, i ran out of ideas 14:10 kf I really made sure to restart chromium and delete ALL the cache for ALL time... but it still showed up :( 14:09 wahanui tonight is dgl-library1's last night physically present for this project. So if there's any other way…… 14:09 kf tonight? 14:09 kf oleonard: sure, but not right now :( 14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10510 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , OPAC's renew selected link has glitchy icon 14:06 oleonard kf can you pretty-please try Bug 10510 again and make sure you're not seeing the old background image sprite? 13:32 slef heh 13:32 drojf you should tell your colleague that if s/he does things the mysql way that is probably a bad idea 13:28 slef only that it's easier to program 13:28 eythian but I think if you're designing a UI, doing the opposite of what mysql does should probably be the first thing you do. 13:28 slef sorry 13:28 slef ibkt fthat 13:27 eythian I can totally understand mysql doing that. 13:27 eythian I think if I were to say "the show was running from the 1st to the 3rd", it'd be clear that it was inclusive. 13:27 slef interpreting YYYY-MM-DD as "YYYY-MM-DD 00:00:00" always 13:27 eythian which is the opposite? I can imagine four different ways of doing it. 13:26 slef eythian, drojf: I think I do too, but both a colleague and MySQL just did the opposite and I've found nothing to contradict them besides anecdotes :-/ 13:25 drojf slef: a range is defined from its beginning to its end, in my understanding it should include the whole 2013-06-02 13:25 eythian slef: I think I presume them to be inclusive, unless stated otherwise 13:24 slef drojf: which seems to be based off of some SEO company and a direct contradiction to ixquick's own about page which says it started in NY but was bought by an NL company 13:23 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "Essai de comprendre creer un set dans l'entrepôt OAI de #KohaILS build_oai_sets.pl n'est pas très bavard" 13:22 drojf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixquick 13:22 drojf duckduckgo :D 13:21 wahanui i guess source is good. 13:21 slef drojf: source? 13:21 drojf i guess that would not make a difference ;) 13:21 drojf "Ixquick is a metasearch engine based in New York and the Netherlands." 13:21 slef Anyway, hi all. Why I'm really here: is there a standard for whether or not a range "from 2013-06-01 to 2013-06-02" actually includes the whole of 2013-06-02 or not? As in, does the range finish at 2013-06-02 00:00:00 or 2013-06-02 23:59:59? 13:19 slef drojf: the US-based duckduckgo not the NL-based ixquick? 12:56 kf :) 12:52 drojf (and together with an usb rfid reader it's almost a tiny self-checkout machine o.O) 12:50 drojf looks like it's 69€ including 30€ prepaid credit. LOL that's ridiculously cheap 12:47 kf drojf: doens't sound too bad 12:46 drojf (the ZTE ones telefonica is going to sell cost 69) 12:46 drojf well, it does calls and sms, it has a calendar and an address book, and it has a browser. that probably is a lot really for a 69€ smartphone 12:45 drojf kf: it's great. for me. i'm not sure if it is good for end users already 12:44 kf drojf: so it's not good yet? 12:43 drojf and use duckduckgo instead of bing/google 12:43 drojf s/build/to build/ 12:42 drojf i made mine keep wifi connection in standby, i was too lazy build again later 12:41 eythian I have, there wasn't a lot of change that I saw 12:41 drojf ha yes i got that too 12:41 drojf eythian: i have not upgraded in a while but i doubt that a lot happened since then 12:41 eythian and did you get the email saying that "if you're writing about it, make sure you emphasise that it's pre-release?" 12:40 eythian drojf: it's not on mine, I think. 12:39 drojf telefonica starts selling firefoxos phones…tomorrow??! i did not think the os was considered ready for end users yet 12:34 drojf i might :D 12:33 kf not sure if he bites 12:33 drojf the seperate vpn network works though, so it can't just be the univerisities fault 12:33 * kf puts on chain gloves before offering drojf a cookie 12:33 drojf hu-- 12:33 drojf hu-- 12:33 kf probably 12:33 drojf hu-- 12:33 drojf kf: i suppose it does not suck anywhere like here 12:33 kf was very glad to have internet 12:32 kf drojf: it worked fine for me when i was in dortmund last time 12:32 drojf ;) 12:32 drojf no there should not 12:32 oleonard There should be a filter to block negative karma flooding 12:32 huginn oleonard: Karma for "eduroam" has been increased 1 time and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -5. 12:32 oleonard @karma eduroam 12:32 drojf we should kill it, it's kind of dead anyway 12:32 kf you are cheating 12:31 * kf gives up 12:31 drojf ha 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:31 kf eduroam++ 12:31 kf oooh 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:31 drojf eduroam-- 12:26 drnoe hello 12:26 kf hi drnoe 12:25 kf oleonard++ thx for the acq item form fix 12:24 kf hi oleonard :) 12:23 marcelr hi oleonard 12:19 oleonard Hi #koha 12:14 drojf look, it's that stable university wifi again 11:45 * kf now considers a phone call too 11:45 kf one would think they would update their website 11:38 jcamins So for USians who haven't booked the hotel yet, I recommend a phone call. 11:37 jcamins " 11:37 jcamins Okay, update on the incompetent billing. The person I spoke to on the phone said "oh, you used the website, I never know what it's doing, but your reservation was correct, even if the billing statement was not. 11:30 samueld for biblio.datecreated, how can it be displayed in the marc framework? I find a value in the database but it's not displayed. 11:01 gaetan_B and this is the first time i am having this problem 11:01 gaetan_B because when i do this, i usually set up my simplified framework as the default one, which i haven't yet 11:00 gaetan_B i have had a look at the code, there is no reference to frameworks in that part, so it *could* be the reason 11:00 gaetan_B i'll try this when they are done training themselves 11:00 kf maybe get someone to take a look at the code? 10:59 kf not helpful i know :) 10:59 kf gaetan_B: nothing is impossible. 10:54 gaetan_B when filling the authority controlled fields in cataloging, could it be that the part that identifies where the information should be added bases itself on the default framework and not the framework currently used ? 10:53 drojf my monday can hardly get any better 10:53 drojf so, somebody is drilling. in the library. 10:43 marcelr very good 10:43 kf and i would rather try to avoid that 10:43 kf i think to tell if it's too long i would have to estimate the length 10:43 marcelr my todo list is too long 10:42 kf just a really long todo list right now, so not sure when i will get really time to look at it 10:42 marcelr oooohhh 10:42 kf i was joking :) 10:42 marcelr too bad 10:42 * kf hides 10:41 kf marcelr: i will refer any questions to the german community manager - drojf 10:40 kf oh 10:39 marcelr kf: no problem, but German will be my first language candidate to convert 10:38 marcelr the approach changed from updating to using i18n function to translate 10:38 kf i have some bugs to take care of first this week 10:38 kf marcelr: subtle ;) 10:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files 10:38 marcelr kf: added you to the cc of bug 10509 :) 10:37 kf i filed a bug for that ages ago 10:37 kf and it's deleted on saving 10:37 kf well the index field is 10:36 gaetan_B i guess it's just one filled that should not be hidden 10:36 gaetan_B oh so this is not what's causing my problem then, thanks kf :) 10:36 kf gaetan_B: related to nozebra 10:36 kf gaetan_B: you can ignore it 10:34 jcamins True. 10:34 jcamins drojf: lol 10:34 drojf sorry ^^ 10:34 drojf well, you know that only the casino really wins… 10:34 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS Newsletter communautaire de Koha de juin 2013 http://t.co/dzyVyQbwkL" 10:33 jcamins drojf: which makes the venue chosen absolutely appalling to me. 10:33 drojf jcamins: OMG 10:33 jcamins gaetan_B: weird. I have no idea what that is. 10:33 jcamins drojf: because despite the fact that my reservation was for October, the *casino* that the conference is being held at billed me in June... for not showing up. 10:33 gaetan_B anyway, there's a whole section with fields and subfields, but i don't see where this is configured 10:32 drojf jcamins: why? 10:32 gaetan_B hmm, that was probably too long for IRC 10:32 gaetan_B jcamins: when i look at the subfields for the 100 fiel in the marc structure of the default framework (which works) i see this in front of the $a : Tab:1, | Koha field: biblio.author, Not repeatable, Not mandatory, | See Also: '100b','100c','100q','100d','100e','110a','110b','110c','110d','110e','111a','111e','111c','111d','130a','700a','700b','700c','700q','700d','700e','710a','710b','710c','710d','7 10:32 jcamins Boy am I not happy with this year's KohaCon. 10:31 jcamins gaetan_B: I'm not sure what you mean. 10:30 gaetan_B jcamins: could my problem stem from the fact the whole "see also" section is missign from my framework for the 100$a ? I don't see where this information comes from 10:30 drojf an NFC/RFID module is actually cheaper than a barcode scanner 10:30 drojf i was thinking rfid too 10:30 gaetan_B oh, but you're talking self checkout with barcodes ? i was thinking rfid 10:29 drojf maybe i miss the crazy magic part that makes those machines ridiculously expensive. not sure what that is supposed to be though 10:28 kf or they can hire drojf to do so :) 10:28 kf gaetan_B: i think people could install themselves on a tablet or something that can run firefox os 10:27 gaetan_B this is cool :) 10:27 gaetan_B but then 10:27 gaetan_B obviously you would need to sort of industrialize the production if you intend to sell them 10:27 gaetan_B that would be *very* neat 10:26 gaetan_B drojf++ 10:26 drojf gaetan_B: i think a fancy version (with big touch display) would be doable for 250€+ 10:26 kf at least youcan still smile about it 10:26 gaetan_B maybe i'll be a vegetarian for the few days i have left here 10:26 kf oh no :( 10:26 gaetan_B yesterday's shawarma was not so fresh it seems ! :D 10:26 gaetan_B i am sick today :( 10:26 gaetan_B yep 10:25 kf gaetan_B: still in kurdistan? 10:25 kf true 10:23 gaetan_B the price from main vendors is usually in the range of "ridiculous" 10:23 drojf kf: if you had two mobile self check things you could use one to checkout the other 10:23 gaetan_B besides, i think quite a few libraries would be interested in cheap self check out machines 10:23 gaetan_B drojf: this actually sounds like a great idea :) 10:22 jcamins gaetan_B: I've done that and it's worked, when I've made sure that *every* subfield was moved. 10:22 gaetan_B but all the subfields seem to be in the right tab, some of them are hidden though 10:21 gaetan_B maybe i didn't setup my framework correctly 10:21 gaetan_B hmm, i thought it was totally feasible to relocate authority controlled fields in other tabs than the one they usually belong to, but it seems the small plugin that handles filling the correct subfields is getting confused in that case. Anyone had this before ? 10:21 jcamins kf: true! 10:21 kf can have a mobile self check thing then too 10:20 kf i think it's a great idea 10:20 kf hehe 10:17 jcamins A fair question. 10:16 eythian drojf makes an excellent point. 10:16 drojf why not? :D 10:16 jcamins Why? 10:16 jcamins Wait... FirefoxOS? 10:16 jcamins Yeah! Do it! 10:16 drojf i feel like building a raspberry koha firefoxos self-checkout machine i have absolutely no use for. i am a weird person 10:11 drojf heh true 10:11 kf the fact that you imported something in glass bottles counts 10:10 drojf oh come on, that were only like… two. or maybe four. for eight days. that does not count :D 10:10 kf you crried bottles to scotland! :) 10:09 kf cutting back - wow 10:09 drojf i'm trying to cut back on that. but i have a backup bottle in the locker ;) 10:08 kf does your favourite beveragenot do the trick? 10:08 * drojf could use some directions on how to stay awake 10:07 eythian I'll try :) 10:07 kf ah - stay awake then :) 10:05 eythian yeah, I am 10:04 kf so not working today? 10:04 kf aah 10:04 eythian Now I'm just waiting for the afternoon for the jetlag to kick in. 10:04 eythian No, it all went according to plan. 10:03 kf but no additional unpleasant events? 10:03 eythian it wasn't remarkable, that's about the best I can say :) 10:03 kf true 10:03 eythian I had a long flight. It's never really "good" when it's like that :) 10:03 kf had a good flight? 10:03 kf oh cool 10:03 wahanui eythian: what? 10:03 eythian right, wahanui 10:03 wahanui Brighton is where the catalyst UK offices are 10:03 eythian kf: Brighton 10:03 kf where are you? :) 10:03 drojf hola kf and eythian 10:03 kf hey eythian 10:02 eythian hi 10:02 kf morgen drojf 09:53 samueld i've forgotten a detail. I think there is a script which allow to display the date of the creation of the record (and his last modificatiion)? 09:52 Oak hello kf 09:47 samueld hi everybody 09:41 kf hi Oak 09:34 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous venons de traduire la newsletter #Kohails du mois de juin - http://t.co/LI7PIxunUz" 09:33 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 36.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling). 09:33 Oak @wunder islamabad 09:32 * Oak waves 09:11 kf rangi++ 09:09 rangi and done 09:07 rangi hmm im gonna kick that person off the list 08:21 magnuse couldn't get close enough for a nice photo, though 08:21 magnuse that one was last year, i saw another one today 08:21 magnuse yup 08:21 asaurat nice fox =) 08:21 magnuse asaurat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bodo.ogg 08:20 magnuse to be more exact: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/map?&fLat=67.3123&fLon=14.4561&zl=17&order_by=recent 08:19 asaurat how do you pronounce the ø ? :D 08:15 magnuse on the outskirts of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bod%C3%B8 08:14 magnuse yeah, i live just outside nowhere 08:14 kf asaurat: magnuse lives in the middle of the other nowhere :) 08:12 asaurat where do you live ? =) 08:11 * magnuse can only imagine... 08:07 asaurat I had enough of big cities :p living in the very center of Marseilles was tiresome 08:06 kf asaurat: and what are you doing in the middle of nowhere? :) 08:02 * magnuse walks down (or up?) avenue de la gare, in google streetview 07:58 magnuse ah, cool 07:58 asaurat (Le Puy en Velay) 07:58 asaurat still a long way to go, for sure, but a major starting point is around here 07:57 magnuse compostella? they have either lost tjeir way or they have a long way to go, then?!? 07:56 asaurat when they're not eaten by the "Beast of Gévaudan" 07:56 asaurat some Compostella pilgrims walk around here 07:55 asaurat http://goo.gl/maps/ZrexV 07:54 asaurat yep =) 07:54 alex_a_ asaurat: ;) 07:54 alex_a_ nowhere ! That's where asaurat lives 07:54 magnuse [off] http://goo.gl/maps/KtZOB 07:54 magnuse google maps says it knows Lozère but places the marker in the middle of nowhere, indeed :-) 07:53 huginn alex_a_: Error: No such location could be found. 07:53 alex_a_ @wunder Saint Chely d'apcher 07:52 asaurat but the whole region is a no man's land, indeed =) 07:52 asaurat that's the biggest town in the vicinity :p 07:52 asaurat arf 07:52 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found. 07:52 asaurat @wunder Mende 07:51 asaurat héhé 07:51 christophe_c :-D 07:51 * magnuse thinks asaurat is just making it up :-) 07:51 christophe_c U topos 07:51 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:51 christophe_c :-D 07:51 magnuse @wunder Lozère, france 07:51 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:51 magnuse @wunder Lozère 07:48 kf sounds nice 07:46 asaurat living in Lozère, in the small moutains in the center/south of the country ("Massif Central") 07:45 kf what are you doing during other times now? :) 07:45 asaurat kf: I'm in Marseilles this week, it's too warm I'm getting used to cold climates ;) 07:42 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.5°C (9:13 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:39 drojf hei magnuse 07:39 magnuse moin drojf 07:38 drojf good morning #koha 07:30 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "@omeka et #KohaILS un how-to. Qui veut se lancer ?" 07:30 kf how are things? :) 07:30 kf hi asaurat! 07:30 asaurat hi! 07:28 christophe_c hi kf ;-) 07:28 kf hi christophe_c and magnuse and sophie_m 07:28 christophe_c hi magnuse 07:28 marcelr certainly an overstatement 07:27 kf marcelr++ holding the fort :) 07:24 marcelr kf++ too 07:23 magnuse kf++ 07:23 sophie_m hello #koha 07:23 sophie_m hi magnuse 07:22 kf no more travelling in the near future :) 07:22 kf finally started catchng up a bit with qa, home more to come this week 07:22 magnuse hiya christophe_c kf sophie_m 07:22 kf hi marcelr 07:22 marcelr hi kf 07:22 kf hi #koha 07:21 tweetbot [off] twitter: @shangueh: "En mode lecture du protocole OAI-PMH. Comment que ca marche sous #KohaILS ?" 07:17 christophe_c hello #koha 07:10 dcook Night, tout le monde 07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 07:08 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 07:08 magnuse @wunder boo 07:05 paul_p hello magnuse 07:05 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:02 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:01 marcelr hi magnuse 06:53 * magnuse waves 06:46 marcelr hi france 06:38 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:38 reiveune hello 06:36 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:36 alex_a bonjour 06:28 marcelr hi dcook 06:27 dcook hey ya marcelr :) 06:27 marcelr h[ae]llo #koha 05:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1279: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1279/ 05:35 cait hi dcook 05:35 dcook hey ya cait 05:33 mtompset Happy Canada Day! 05:33 mtompset I'm going to call it a morning. 05:33 mtompset well... four library failures: Net::Z3950::ZOOM, Number::Format (locale test failure), PDF::API2::Simple, and Schedule::At. 05:25 dcook I think I'm going to weep with joy right now 05:25 dcook Just for the record, Granville Island Lions Winter Ale is on sale from October to March...which covers the time period I'll be there following Kohacon 05:20 mtompset there is no yaz-config in windows? 05:20 mtompset And therein is the problem. 05:16 mtompset this would be cool if I could run koha natively on windows. :) 05:15 mtompset neat... found yaz and zebra for windows. 05:09 dcook But you wouldn't need to 05:09 dcook I guess in that article they are hooking it up to a wire... 05:08 dcook Of course, it would only be good locally, but that's the idea 05:08 dcook Better than that, turn your Raspi into a router, so that you just have the one box 05:07 dcook http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-a-raspberry-pi-as-a-wifi-access-point/overview 05:06 mtompset Then it would be accessible by one's router. 05:06 mtompset That's just a hardware issue. There are wired to wireless dongles. 05:05 dcook I suppose the hardest part would be setting it up to broadcast a wifi signal 05:05 dcook drojf posted instructions for Koha set up as well 05:05 mtompset There's a debian image for the Raspberry Pi. 05:04 mtompset That would be easy by comparison. 05:03 dcook I suppose you could make a KohaBox using a RasPi... 05:00 dcook Also: http://daviddarts.com/piratebox/?title=PirateBox 05:00 dcook On a side note: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/griffey/librarybox-20 04:59 * dcook tries to remember if a non-package version uses shell scripts 04:59 mtompset I'm thinking ZOOM right now. 04:59 dcook Anywhere that uses shell scripts? 04:59 dcook I wonder a bit about where you'll get hung up 04:58 mtompset I'm CPAN'ing required libraries now. 04:57 mtompset It seems to be strawberry perl based. 04:57 mtompset I installed the windows version of the perl that rangi gave a link to. 04:57 dcook I'd love to hear how that goes 04:56 dcook Nice one, mtompset! 04:55 mtompset okay, and for crazy fun... I'm attempting a windows install of Koha. :) 04:55 mtompset someone didn't run "prove -v blah.t" first. :) 04:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10386 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , UT: VirtualShelves.t needs some more adjustments 04:50 mtompset Bug 10386? 04:48 mtompset It seems like a test suite, I think. 04:48 mtompset Not me. :) 04:37 dcook Uh oh. Who broke it? 04:36 wizzyrea nooooo 04:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #1279 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 3 hr ago) 04:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10497 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail 04:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, P3, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings 04:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10484 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , serials-edit.pl not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield 04:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10497 - star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail 04:26 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 6553 - Parentheses in Corporate author break tracings 04:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10484: serials-edit.pl not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode subfield 04:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1278: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1278/ 03:39 mtompset if you had your choice of encryption methods, which would you use? a shared key or a public/private key system? 03:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1278 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 2 hr ago) 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10494 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , KohaBranchName sends useless warnings to log if supplied library code is null or not present 03:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: remove spurious warnings from the KohaBranchName plugin 03:10 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10494: test cases for the KohaBranchName plugin 03:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1277: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1277/ 02:28 dcook All right. I'm going to go have lunch and read a book at the library down the road ^_^ 02:26 dcook Whew... 02:25 dcook be dcook 02:25 cjh heh 02:25 wizzyrea ;) 02:25 wizzyrea but I think it might not be funny ; 02:24 cjh oh? 02:24 wizzyrea hehehehehehe 02:24 * wizzyrea could do something for "be cjh" 02:24 wahanui Here, kitty kitty kitty... 02:24 gmcharlt be gmcharlt 02:24 cjh heh 02:24 druthb heh 02:24 wahanui Harrumph! 02:24 druthb be druthb 02:24 * druthb fears 02:23 cjh free \o/ 02:23 cjh be cjh 02:20 wahanui do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? 02:20 wizzyrea be wizzyrea 02:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10497 - star ratings not showing right in ccsr detail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fccb14a806e9aad18cc9f75df39e09bd64830dd> 02:11 dcook Then you've updated a lot of statuses incorrectly and you need to do the batch item mod anyway :/ 02:11 dcook If you accidentally missed a section or your scanner stopped working or... or... 02:10 dcook Of course, the bad thing about automatic updates when doing inventories... 02:10 dcook I haven't in a while. I was at a library for a year where we did regular inventories using Millennium and then I did a project more recently where we were integrating collections after a library move using Horizon 02:09 mtj yeah, i havent done many of them myself 02:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6553 - Parentheses in Corporate author break tracings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41409f500edf495db114b2277f4916e5a737a0aa> / Bug 10484: serials-edit.pl not checking for barcode field before checking for barcode... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9af08e4e2d2091de489633b3f1c4fb03fcf323cd> 02:03 dcook That said, I have other things on my plate and I don't think many of our clients do inventories. 02:03 dcook They're certainly doable as well 02:02 dcook They were handy 02:02 dcook But yeah, as for the itemized points, those are features that I've had with other systems I've used when doing inventories 02:02 dcook Hmm 02:00 mtj yeah, there is a hardcoded limit for that, afaik :/ 02:00 dcook That might've been fixed by now though 01:59 dcook Although I think there might be a bug where it can only handle so many barcodes... 01:59 mtj …when combined with an SQL report, to fetch various barcodes 01:59 dcook Up until now, perhaps it has done what people needed 01:59 dcook But...I think I see what you're saying 01:59 dcook "Need" is a pretty subjective term though 01:58 mtj dcook, the other gotcha with stocktake is, the module works well enuff to do (imho) everything needed 01:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1277 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 3 days 0 hr ago) 01:54 cjh hey mtompset :) 01:53 dcook rangi: hehe 01:53 rangi *nod* 01:53 mtompset Greetings, cjh. :) 01:53 dcook I think this one does fall down to it just not being a priority for anyone 01:53 rangi http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qgz25/ 01:53 dcook There's also that 01:53 dcook Although the numbered points they outline are usually standard in most ILSes, I think 01:53 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage 01:53 rangi sysprefs? 01:53 dcook I suppose 01:52 dcook Mmm 01:52 * mtompset nods in agreement with mtj. :) 01:51 mtj "Things we thought should be standard and automatic,"…. would not be applicable to other libraries, in a different situation 01:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10494: remove spurious warnings from the KohaBranchName plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2c1b3b8f20b3060c9a3a35c21a0757c685cbec> / Bug 10494: test cases for the KohaBranchName plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96320a786bac92418b08b5af4d2b68746627482b> 01:46 dcook mtj: Oh? 01:46 rangi heh 01:46 mtj i worked on that stocktake task for kerrie, and i think every point she made is wrong 01:42 tcohen hi cjh 01:40 cjh hey :) 01:39 tcohen hi dcook, mtompset 01:39 * dcook waves to tcohen 01:37 mtompset Interesting perl link. 01:37 mtompset Greetings, rangi tcohen gmcharlt wizzyrea. 01:35 gmcharlt heh 01:34 rangi gmcharlt: https://twitter.com/therealsinead/status/312121828774641664/photo/1 01:33 wizzyrea ^ looks pretty cool actually 01:32 rangi http://zero2perl.dreamwidth.org/ 01:30 rangi cool thanks 01:29 gmcharlt rangi: yeah, I'll do that 01:28 rangi hehe true 01:28 gmcharlt hey, I'm happy -- that's better than dealing with a cannot-turn-off-autocommit DBD::mysql bug :) 01:28 rangi maybe drop it and recreate 01:28 rangi that would certinaly do it 01:28 rangi yikes 01:28 gmcharlt rangi: looks like the tables in the jenkins master database are all using MyISAM 01:28 rangi hm? 01:27 gmcharlt rangi: well, that would do it 01:20 mtompset I wonder if my librarian colleagues have barcode scanners. 01:20 mtompset And the methodology she describes may be time consuming, but it is simple and accurate. :) 01:18 mtompset I like the mention that a previous LMS was cumbersome too. :) 01:14 rangi stdc++ 01:14 rangi yay sue! 01:11 mtompset Shhh... stop making sense, dcook. ;) 01:11 dcook I suppose that not all librarians are technical nor want to be technical, but...there are lots of ways to contribute - as wizzyrea pointed out before 01:10 rangi heh 01:10 jcamins No! Surely not! 01:09 dcook And realize that they can actually contribute and shape their own future 01:09 dcook But yeah, my point is that librarians and libraries need to stop thinking about things simply from the role of consumer 01:08 dcook Same 01:08 rangi still havent heard anything back from vala 01:08 wahanui dcook: I forgot i suppose this 01:08 dcook forget I suppose this 01:08 dcook Ack 01:08 wahanui okay, dcook. 01:08 dcook I suppose this is also the point of that proposal I sent in for VALA 01:08 dcook Always a good pick me up 01:07 dcook lol 01:07 rangi https://twitter.com/CuteEmergency/status/351506425127780352/photo/1 01:05 rangi yeah 01:05 dcook Mhm 01:05 dcook But complaining with the expectation that you're owed something 01:05 rangi tone is the issue 01:05 dcook In itself 01:05 rangi complaining is fine 01:05 dcook I can understand complaining about software that one has spent thousands or millions on 01:04 dcook I think that's the most important thing 01:04 rangi how about giving something back 01:04 rangi for free 01:04 rangi you just received, the culmulative effort of 217 people, over 13 years 01:04 dcook Or make a polite request and hope that someone else has similar goals 01:04 rangi even more 01:03 dcook If you want something done, do it yourself or pay someone else to do it 01:03 dcook I think that's just a fact of life though 01:03 dcook rangi: True true 01:02 dcook mtompset: That's great that they're doing it :) 01:02 rangi but obviously not compelling enough for someone to write them :) 01:02 dcook But those are desirable features for an inventory module 01:02 dcook Well, not valid... 01:02 dcook That said, I have done a few, and the points they mention are certainly valid... 01:02 rangi emails like that are why im giving my talk at kohacon 01:02 mtompset The only reason the libraries I'm working with are doing an inventory is because they are just entering data into the Koha system for the first time. :) 01:01 dcook They probably should, but they don't 01:01 dcook From personal experience, a lot of libraries never do inventories 01:01 dcook Yeah, I'm with wizzyrea: file a bug, make a patch, or pay someone to do it 01:00 wizzyrea eep 00:59 mtompset 8.8.8.8?! Big brother is watching us already. :P 00:59 dcook rangi: I think that's one of Calyx's libraries actually 00:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:57 dcook Thanks, rangi, I was just about to look that up :) 00:56 rangi dcook: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2013-July/036648.html 00:56 rangi its weird eh 00:56 rangi yeah 00:55 * gmcharlt looking into why the master test database on jenkins seems to be autocommiting during HoldsQueue.t even while that's explicitly what that test tells it *not* to do 00:54 dcook Hmm 00:54 wizzyrea that was on main koha 00:54 * dcook thinks he should probably switch over to the non-digest for devel... 00:54 wizzyrea which part of this is hard to understand. 00:54 dcook I just get the digests so I tend not to see things until the next day 00:53 wizzyrea file a bug, make a patch, or give someone money to do it. 00:53 rangi hehe 00:53 dcook I thought they were unrelated :p 00:53 dcook Ahh, I put together your sentences now 00:52 rangi [off] in which they call it KOHA consistently and whine 00:52 rangi mail to the koha list 00:52 dcook rangi: Not sure I follow what you're saying... 00:51 dcook O_o 00:51 rangi dcook: you can .. they are in .au :) 00:51 rangi must .. not ... reply 00:32 dcook Templates sorted. Booyah. 00:29 dcook I picked up Fahrenheit 451 and a couple Girl Genius trades (even though I've already read them) 00:29 dcook Thursday Next looks interesting... 00:29 dcook Although it might still be June there? 00:29 * dcook nods 00:29 dcook I think July should be the month of fiction 00:29 jcamins I should read something non-fiction, but that sounds more fun. 00:29 jcamins I'm going to read... probably the latest Thursday Next book. 00:28 jcamins Woohoo! 00:28 dcook Time to read all the books! 00:27 * dcook got his first Australian public library card on Saturday 00:27 dcook Good call 00:27 * jcamins decides to go read a book and hope that his computer is working perfectly when he gets back. 00:27 dcook I think so. Damned template conspiracy. 00:27 jcamins To make you crazy. 00:26 dcook Hmm, why are you not cooperating, template? 00:13 dcook Coming from you, that sounds terrifying. 00:13 jcamins I found EG rather daunting. 00:12 dcook I was thinking of looking at Evergreen at some point 00:11 dcook I suppose I want to know more about networking and sysadmin, but...it can be tough to learn things without projects and I'm not sure what "projects" would revolve around those two elements of computing 00:10 dcook [off] Then agitate to move from openSuse to Debian... 00:10 dcook :D 00:10 jcamins Doo eet! 00:10 dcook When I have some time, I think I'm going to use my new VM here at work to develop using Gitify 00:09 dcook Not entirely sure where I want to go with things anyway... 00:09 jcamins Heh. True. 00:06 dcook I take my work pretty personally sometimes ;) 00:06 * jcamins figured out that "personal" meant "not work." :P 00:05 dcook Other than actual work stuff, of course 00:05 * dcook is thinking of taking July off of personal study/computer projects 00:05 dcook I was thinking of dual booting my ASUS netbook with Ubuntu but haven't gotten around to it yet 00:04 dcook I have a friend who runs...I think Linux Mint on his Lenovo and he seems to like it 00:04 dcook I'm not sure what I think of the Lenovo laptops either...lol 00:03 dcook There we go 00:01 dcook Yeah, I think that's my best bet 00:01 jcamins 8.8.8.8 00:01 jcamins Sony, IBM, whatever. :P 00:01 dcook Mmm, local DNS is down. That's always nice. 00:01 dcook Isn't Lenovo with IBM? 00:01 jcamins Lenovo. 00:01 dcook O_o 00:01 jcamins Isn't that the company that is supposed to make the most reiable PCs? 00:00 dcook I want to say that I'm a fan of having gear that doesn't need regular servicing. But...if I say that...then my laptop is going to explode. 00:00 dcook Can't say that I'm a Sony fan either.