Time Nick Message 23:59 druthb If you've spent more than an hour thinking on this--you're overthinking the problem, I suspect. 23:59 mtompset Wow... I have gotten it far, far lower. 23:58 mtompset Are you sure? 23:57 * druthb can't type, has the sleepy 23:57 mtompset and if for some reason there is no session id, I generate a random string 32 characters long (1 in 62^32 chances) 23:57 druthb That's a much lower chance than the odds of you dying by asteroid collision, so you've probably got something workable there. 23:56 mtompset I realized the session id might be useful, so that should be a 32 character uniqueness there, but not necessarily as someone might have multiple tabs on the same domain. 23:55 mtompset the random string at the front can only duplicate 1 in 62^16. 23:55 mtompset (as far as I can reason) 23:55 mtompset the time stamp part could only duplicate if running on different processors. 23:54 mtompset okay... more thinking about generating/deriving a unique string. 22:58 * Dyrcona is leaving, now. 22:58 * Dyrcona just logged in to babble about something off topic in another channel on another IRC network. 22:46 mtompset Is everyone back (or front)? 22:46 mtompset SPLIT! 20:49 cait t 20:49 cait tes 19:59 mtompset also, last_insert_id is very much MySQL. :) 19:57 mtompset This is why I'm working with the generate/derive id for a string identifier. 19:57 mtompset my problem is, will LAST_INSERT_ID be the last id for process 1 or process 2. 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do we need a sequential number generator? 19:56 mtompset Nice... bug 10478 got me added to CC. :P 19:34 druthb kitteh! 19:33 * tcohen and florencio are following the thread http://snag.gy/KXUqX.jpg 19:26 druthb http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding 19:26 mtompset I'm currently using String::Random. 19:24 tcohen use /dev/random mtompset 19:24 mtompset a dual processor machine.... calls the function in both processors at the same time. 19:23 mtompset Okay... thinking more hypothetical.... 19:22 jcamins Or something like that. 19:22 jcamins Time::Hires. 19:22 mtompset because the milliseconds between two string generations should differ. 19:22 mtompset is there a millisecond timer I can grab somehow? 19:21 mtompset mmm.... that sucks. 19:21 jcamins With Plack, every single request may have the same pid. 19:21 druthb mm.. yeah. 19:21 jcamins They are, yes. 19:21 mtompset if not... then even if the random string portion is identical in a matter of seconds, the $$ portion of it shouldn't be. 19:19 mtompset druthb... yes, but are they repeatable in a matter of seconds? 19:19 jcamins In that case, I have no objection. 19:19 jcamins mtompset: okay. 19:19 mtompset I'm not changing the algorithm for cardnumber generation. 19:19 mtompset this number is only in my new cardnumber_sequence table. 19:18 mtompset this is for LOCKING without locking. 19:18 druthb PIDs are *way* more repeatable than 16-digiters. 19:18 mtompset I'm trying to FIX... 19:18 jcamins Libraries depend on those numbers incrementing. 19:18 jcamins I did not realize that you were trying to change the way Koha generates card numbers. 19:18 jcamins I do not. 19:18 mtompset I like adding the process id ($$) into the string. 19:17 mtompset There are other screens and methods of calling it. 19:17 mtompset Yes, but the function fixup_cardnumber is not just called by my SAML code. 19:16 jcamins You will have a duplicate key error when you try to create the second user thanks to the user name. 19:16 jcamins You are creating a new user based on the SAML login, right? 19:16 jcamins Yes, but your system will have broken anyway by the time you get to generating the barcode, so who cares? 19:16 mtompset jcamins: if stupid is possible. it will be done. 19:15 mtompset tcohen: that would be a privacy issue on other countries. 19:15 jcamins I do not see how that is possible without causing breakage anyway. 19:15 mtompset I don't think the user id would be unique, necessarily... some library branch beyond my control could log in as a the same user twice. 19:14 tcohen oh, we use the national id number for that 19:14 jcamins Like, say, the user identifier and the SAML domain, or whatever the equivalents are with SAML? 19:14 mtompset No... the problem is with cardnumbers. 19:14 tcohen r u trying t generate unique ids for item barcodes mtompset? (sorry, got late int the chat) 19:13 jcamins Yes, but are you sure you don't have something else derivably unique? 19:12 mtompset The process ID for two processes calling the same function will be different, correct? 19:12 mtompset $$ 19:12 mtompset Derived may be possible. 19:12 mtompset OH! I have an idea! 19:11 jcamins (short of actually fixing the generator) 19:11 jcamins But if you're determined that it has to be generated and not derived, I don't imagine anyone will come up with a better solution. 19:10 jcamins Personally, I would say that is not a sufficiently sound algorithm, and that you should be using something that is guaranteed unique by its nature if you're not using any meaningful barcode number generator. 19:09 mtompset If the random string is identical in the case that two process are running, a duplicate will be generated. 19:09 mtompset It is 16 characters long and each character is 1 of 62 characters (a-z,A-Z,0-9). 19:08 mtompset my process, that doesn't lock, generates a random string. 19:08 jcamins Depends how you were able to determine that number. 19:08 mtompset Hmmm... if the chances of generating a duplicate are now known at 10^28 roughly. Is that small enough? 17:30 * druthb could move to Cordoba, stay with tcohen, and start digging a hole all the way to China…and actually have China on the other end of the hole. Fun playing with http://www.freemaptools.com/tunnel-to-other-side-of-the-earth.htm 17:29 jcamins "None shall stick. Noooonnneee shall stick." 17:29 gmcharlt jcamins++ 17:28 jcamins gmcharlt: quick! Apply some http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57590077-1/spill-a-lot-neverwets-ready-to-coat-your-gear/ 17:28 druthb ewwwww 17:28 mtompset Make sure they are licked, so they are more likely to stick. :P 17:27 * druthb chucks Skittles at gmcharlt. 17:27 gmcharlt ;) 17:27 gmcharlt ocan you? 17:26 * druthb tries again to type "Ocean." 17:26 * druthb discovers that the anitpode of most of the continental US is in the southern Indian Ocan. 17:25 mtompset It's the combination of the timezones that is bad... remove a location, and things go much better. 17:25 druthb The antipode of Ireland is somewhere south of NZ, in a cold, cold ocean….the antipode of Manila is in western Brazil. 17:24 mtompset -3,0,+5,+12 -- 0 = EST :) 17:24 mtompset not really. 17:23 druthb oooh…that would be tough. Dublin and Manila are just about as far apart as you can get. 17:23 mtompset 1:23am 17:23 jcamins What time is it in Manila now? 17:23 mtompset LA, Toronto, Dublin, Manila. 17:23 mtompset Co-ordinating cross country meetings is a pain! 17:22 pianohacker hallo 17:22 druthb Hi, mtompset! :D 17:22 mtompset Greetings, druthb pianohacker. 17:22 druthb no, thank you. :) 17:22 wahanui thanks druthb :) 17:22 druthb wahanui: botsnack my overly-long to-do list. 17:22 druthb hm. 17:21 wahanui thanks druthb :) 17:21 druthb wahanui: botsnack pretzel 17:17 jcamins (and no, that was not an ironic statement) 17:16 jcamins Never thought of using social media for this. 17:16 wahanui facebook is *not* a universal authenticator! 17:16 jcamins Huh. Facebook. 17:16 jcamins Thanks. 17:16 pianohacker Yeah, lots of librarians on Facebook. I'd be happy to 17:16 pianohacker hahahaha 17:16 jcamins :D 17:16 jcamins pianohacker: any chance you could find out if Colorado has a state-wide barcode prefix registry? 17:15 jcamins Hey... 17:15 jcamins pianohacker: I e-mailed someone at the national library and haven't gotten a response. 17:15 pianohacker huh. interesting. has colorado popped up on there by any chance? 17:14 jcamins Enough of this uncertainty about whether you should just use your own ZIP code or... 17:14 jcamins pianohacker: I want to make a definitive list of what states have their own barcode prefix registries. 17:14 pianohacker jcamins: What are you working on? 17:14 jcamins Thanks! 17:13 gmcharlt jcamins: sure, I'll ask 17:13 jcamins gmcharlt: hey, any chance you could ask Marlene if WA has any sort of barcode prefix registry? 16:20 gaetan_B bye 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10334 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* are unusable 15:54 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests 15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1266: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1266/ 15:23 ribasushi and now I have to run & 15:22 gmcharlt ribasushi++ 15:21 ribasushi may pop up with more "OH NOES" later on ;) 15:21 ribasushi in any case - I happen to see @KohaBugs updates (I look for q{DBIx} on twitter wholesale :) so when the schema is deemed "final-ish" I will look in more details again 15:19 ribasushi *grep 15:18 ribasushi in case I missed something (it's a lot of code ;) 15:18 ribasushi gmcharlt: I'd also grp for other ENV overrides 15:18 gmcharlt thanks 15:18 ribasushi gmcharlt: not at all 15:18 gmcharlt ribasushi: do you have any objections to my pasting this conversation into the bug report? (the channel is logged anyway, to be clear) 15:18 paul_p ribasushi we'll probably ask for some hints later ;-) 15:17 gmcharlt great -- and thanks for taking the time to look it over 15:17 ribasushi paul_p: ^^ 15:17 ribasushi gmcharlt: ^^ 15:17 ribasushi so feel free to contact me if more issues arise 15:17 ribasushi but I am always available with a reasonable turnaround at ribasushi@cpan.org 15:17 ribasushi I am sadly not much around IRC lately (life happens etc) 15:16 gmcharlt ribasushi: well, we'll take that out of the patch and exercise it more 15:15 ribasushi paul_p: also s/better fixing/we have to fix/ 15:15 ribasushi paul_p: "any error" is a tad strong, "a number of errors" would be more correct 15:15 ribasushi gmcharlt: so I am not taking the risk lightly, but there is only so much I can do ;) 15:14 ribasushi on the other hand - I *never* rely on metadata blindly, unless I can provide a reasonable (and timely) warning way in advance "hey your schema metadata makes no sense!" 15:14 paul_p ribasushi = am I right if I say "adding this will hide any error in your schema, and that's a bad idea, better fixing the schema" ? 15:14 ribasushi because this stuff happens deep in the guts the consequences may compound to something I can't currently think of 15:13 gmcharlt thanks for the warning 15:13 gmcharlt gah 15:13 ribasushi or an entire JOIN being dropped away because DBIC can "prove" (based on the erroneous metadata) that it does not need it 15:13 ribasushi for instance an incorrect relationship direction may end up in a cascaded delete going in a way that you never anticipated 15:12 ribasushi the higher the DBIC version - the more I rely on the correctness of such metadata to make informed decisions on the SQL I generate 15:12 ribasushi most likely the "direction" of the relationship is reversed 15:12 ribasushi the presence of this warning implies an incorrectly set metadata on the source in question 15:11 gmcharlt but could you expand on what you mean by "latent data eater"? 15:11 gmcharlt ribasushi: we were figuring that corrections to the schema were needed anyway 15:10 ribasushi you need to resolve the cause of this (whatever it may actually be) before "going public" with a call for conversions 15:10 ribasushi in *new code* this is a sign of a latent data eater 15:10 ribasushi it was introduced as a backcompat measure for folks with broken preexisting schema definitions 15:09 ribasushi $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} <- you set this all over the place 15:09 ribasushi I am looking for it, lost the diff... 15:09 ribasushi you have set (in many places) ... 15:09 paul_p ribasushi which mistake ? 15:09 paul_p ribasushi well, we've got the decision, some nice hackers, what we lack is time (or money, but that's almost the same thing : I could dedicate 2 FTE to this task if I had enough money...) 15:08 ribasushi I looked over some of the diffs and there's one thing that jumped at me as very wrong 15:08 ribasushi I am excited you guys are migrating DBIC wholesale - I need more such success stories to brag about ;D 15:07 ribasushi paul_p: I am the current-long-standing DBIC maint 15:07 gmcharlt hi ribasushi 15:07 paul_p hi ribasushi 15:07 ribasushi hi 15:07 paul_p ribasushi yes, I'm here 15:06 jcamins ribasushi: I think gmcharlt, khall, and paul_p have been discussing that recently. 15:06 ribasushi anyway - is any of the bug participants around? 15:05 ribasushi wtf.. 15:05 huginn 04Bug 8798: enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class 15:05 riba I wanted to comment on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 but didn't find a way without creating yet another account 15:05 riba o/ 14:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b46f0238f230b0d88d1e04cb4cec2aa825dd949d> 14:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #1266 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:30 rhcl hi mtompset 14:27 tcohen magnus_away: would you take a look at 9890? 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Fix the new plugin system for package installs 14:27 tcohen bug 9890 14:25 mtompset I was noticing that OpacHiddenItems works well, and that the staff client still sees hidden items and the OPAC does not. I was wondering if a OpacHiddenItemsOverride system preference Yes/No that should check if the user has 'view catalogue' and 'staff client' permissions to show the hidden things in the OPAC is an okay idea. 14:23 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 14:23 tcohen hi mtompset 14:21 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #263 added. 14:21 gmcharlt @quote add <jcamins> I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P 14:20 mtompset Oh my! Have you been cheating on us? ;) 14:20 jcamins gmcharlt: I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P 14:20 gmcharlt who allowed jcamins to actually sleep? we've got to correct this problem! 14:19 mtompset Greeetings, gmcharlt jcamins rhcl. :) 14:19 mtompset jcamins: You were awfully still for 11 hours. ;) 14:18 * jcamins waves. 14:18 huginn rhcl: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <jcamins> eythian, right. Space. 14:18 rhcl @seen jcamins 14:09 gmcharlt 1-based 14:09 mtompset substr(blah,0,1) is first digit or ,1,1? 14:09 mtompset Are MySQL strings 0-based or 1-based? 14:08 gmcharlt ah 14:07 mtompset git mess up. 14:07 gmcharlt server/VM crash? 14:07 mtompset Well, just lost a couple days worth of work. Thankfully, most of the work was thinking, so recoding shouldn't be too much of a problem. 14:06 mtompset Greetings, gmcharlt. 14:06 gmcharlt hi mtompset 14:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:06 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) 14:06 gmcharlt @quote random 13:41 tcohen hi #koha 09:44 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Berglern, Mitterlern, Germany is 20.5°C (11:39 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:44 cait-m @wunder muenchen 09:43 huginn cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. 09:43 cait-m @wunder münchen 09:43 huginn cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. 09:43 cait-m @wunder munich 08:04 huginn cait: The current temperature in Muenchen, Flughafen, Germany is 18.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 08:04 cait @wunder muenchen 08:03 huginn cait: Error: timed out 08:03 cait @wunder munich 08:02 cait hi koha 07:23 dcook Time for me to head off. Good day, all. 07:23 * dcook waves to the BibLibre folks 07:18 gaetan_B hello 06:46 dcook WaylonR: That would certainly put a damper on things ;) 06:45 WaylonR ... can't help if the server i wanted to run zebra on.. is offline.. gah. 06:44 dcook hey ya matts :) 06:43 mattsz hi ! 06:40 reiveune salut dcook 06:40 dcook top of the morning, paul_p 06:40 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:38 reiveune hello 05:54 dcook But I would suggest trying to resolve the actual problem before resorting to a workaround :) 05:54 dcook Also, I think that there should be some information about using tcp rather than unix sockets in the actual koha-conf.xml 05:53 dcook That's also useful 05:53 dcook http://koha-community.org/faqs/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/ 05:52 dcook Consider pasting your error message here using paste.koha-community.org 05:52 dcook WaylonR: I'm a bit busy at the moment, but have you looked at the permissions? 05:52 WaylonR but yaz-client is able, via tcp, to access the other servers zebra server. 05:51 WaylonR both authorities and biblios... for some reason, zebra doesn't work on the server koha is on.. but on another install it does.. I believe its the same config. yes, I reindexed.. and it segfaults partway through the reindexing. 05:49 WaylonR hiya all, how do i get Koha to use a zebra server via tcp thats on another computer? 05:40 cait thx Oak 05:34 Oak good luck with the exam cait. keep calm :) 05:33 dcook If only jcamins delivered through a wormhole... 05:33 dcook Yeah, I think it's going to be one of those things where I say I'm going to go grab food but I don't for another 30-60 minutes :p 05:31 cait enjoy your lunch 05:26 * dcook thinks it might be time to grab some lunch... 05:26 dcook Good luck with the exam! 05:25 dcook Ahhh 05:25 cait ah yeah, i have an exam for my distance study today, so off work :) 05:24 cait dcook: hm? 05:24 dcook cait: Isn't it only morning still? 05:22 * cait struggles to leave the laptop behind for the weekend 05:19 * Oak waves 05:19 Oak o/ hello dcook :) 05:18 dcook \o hey Oak 04:39 eythian it's hard to tell around here, it's too directional. 04:36 cait h kathryn :) 04:36 kathryn eythian I think it has to be more than 60kph here... 04:36 kathryn hi cait :) 04:33 wizzyrea really awful last night... well, no, yea that was awful. 04:32 wizzyrea it's not so bad today 04:29 eythian oh, it's down to ~60kph anyway 04:29 cait cool 04:28 eythian I don't think it's actually windy right now 04:28 eythian cait: slowly calming down 04:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (6:20 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 04:24 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:24 cait wizzyrea: how is wellington today? 04:24 * cait waves 04:24 cait :) 04:10 wizzyrea your cat is awesome 04:10 wizzyrea <3 04:06 gmcharlt and here is my cat's contribution to Koha hacking today: ≈nhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdffffffffbbbbjfdfn 04:03 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) 04:03 mtompset Well, it's after midnight, and I think I'm turning back into a pumpkin. 03:45 cjh wont load for me :( 03:45 wizzyrea that would have been scary 03:45 wizzyrea the pic of the bus without a windshield is quite... errrrrrrrrrrr 03:45 cjh glad things are going well on your end :) 03:44 kathryn hi cjh :) 03:43 kathryn hey rangi, cool thanks 03:42 dcook I was about to comment on demon possession... 03:42 eythian that'll cause bad luck to everyone 03:42 eythian well, unless it's an evil tree 03:42 eythian not sure that's the best English there 03:42 eythian > A fell tree on Maungaraki Road. 03:42 dcook Looks like...O_O 03:42 kathryn anyway, rocks and logs found their way out of the sea and over the road 03:41 dcook wow... 03:41 kathryn oh actually pic 14 at that link hmph 03:40 kathryn thanks dcook and wizzyrea, I didn't take any exciting pics of the stormyness, but this is a pic from just down from my house http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/photos/8822612/Storm-batters-Wellington 03:39 dcook Glad you're all right, kathryn! Sounds like it's been brutal over there... 03:39 dcook Third time's a charm? 03:39 wahanui Send a patch! 03:39 dcook be rangi 03:38 kathryn oh hello, all the hellos :) wizzyrea whisked me into an involved conversation :) 03:38 eythian http://adpgtech.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/a-literate-client-comments-on-postgres.html 03:32 wizzyrea there. 03:32 wizzyrea send a patch! 03:31 wahanui There's a bug for that 03:31 wizzyrea be rangi 03:31 wahanui There's a bug for that 03:31 wizzyrea be rangi 03:31 mtompset Yes, but it is a bug that I'd be willing to attempt to fix. 03:30 bag yeah I think that maybe a harder one to solve 03:29 mtompset That's what I was thinking, because even though it hasn't leaked the details of the items in question, it has leaked that something really is there. 03:28 bag search results are different than items :( 03:27 bag I think that could be classified as a bug… 03:26 mtompset Greetings, dcook wizzyrea jcamins eythian. :) 03:25 mtompset Is this a bug? 03:24 mtompset I search in the OPAC and find no items, but the search results says 2. 03:24 mtompset I search in the staff client and find the 2 items. 03:24 mtompset Let's say I have OpacHiddenItem set to hide a shelving location. 03:23 mtompset I have a question. 03:17 eythian ta :) 03:17 jcamins eythian, right. Space. 03:10 * wizzyrea is glad that kathryn is alright 03:10 mtompset Greetings, dcook. 03:10 dcook hey kathryn, mtompset 03:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 03:07 cjh kathryn: hey :) 03:07 rangi nope, nothing you need to do 03:07 rangi hey kathryn 02:39 wizzyrea no, DD 02:38 dcook [off] Ugh, that sucks. Anyway to check the status of your return online? Do you have direct deposit or would they mail a cheque? 02:36 wizzyrea [off] obviously haven't seen my refund 02:36 wizzyrea [off] I mailed my taxes months ago, was supposed to get a refund, haven't heard a thing 02:35 wizzyrea same in the states 02:33 dcook Tax law for individuals isn't too bad in itself, but tax policies...ugh 02:32 dcook I didn't have to pay anything because I had student tax credits saved up, but...if I didn't...I would've been on the line for like...4-5k 02:32 dcook Because otherwise I would've had to mail in my return...which takes a while O_o 02:32 dcook Since I did procrastinate a bit...I filed as a resident instead of a non-resident, as I was entitled 02:31 dcook Unless you're filing as a resident of Canada (which is silly...because you're a resident for tax purposes in another country) 02:31 dcook If you're overseas, you have to mail them in 02:31 dcook You can only file your taxes online if you live in Canada 02:30 dcook Also...if you're overseas...you aren't able to file your taxes online 02:30 dcook It's really quite sickening 02:30 dcook Possibly 02:30 wizzyrea in inda 02:30 dcook I once spent HOURS on the phone over a tiny little detail 02:29 dcook Now, I think you have to call into a call centre 02:29 dcook My father works for the CRA (Canadian Revenue Agency), and they stopped providing in-person assistance 02:29 wizzyrea PROFIT 02:29 wizzyrea er, 02:29 wizzyrea WIN 02:29 dcook Save on overhead, plus make people unable to use the service 02:29 dcook Top notch plan to save money 02:29 dcook wizzyrea: Exactly 02:28 eythian OK. I'll stick with space then 02:28 * dcook prefers the space 02:28 dcook I think MarcEdit (and other systems) sometimes use "/" instead of ' ' 02:28 wizzyrea and not government services for rich people, I'm talking about government services for the less well off, the poor even, like income support 02:28 dcook I believe that's how Koha tends to do it as well 02:28 eythian cool 02:28 dcook eythian: Different systems implement it differently, but generally speaking it's ' ' 02:27 * dcook ponders 02:27 wizzyrea that's a top notch plan. 02:27 dcook Oh, I gotcha 02:27 wizzyrea so they're taking away the access, then requiring it 02:27 dcook eythian: Come again? 02:26 wizzyrea meanwhile, governments are moving services all online 02:26 wizzyrea there's a general trend to try and forget them 02:26 eythian jcamins or someone: when the marc spec says a leader field is #, that means ' ', right? Or is it literal? 02:26 wizzyrea those people use the library. 02:26 wizzyrea there are a nontrivial number of people who only get internet through mobile, or not at all 02:07 wahanui OK, eythian. 02:07 eythian wahanui: google it is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/1n6mH4N.jpg 02:06 dcook She helped set me up with computer/printer access so that I could print out forms and identification, so that I could apply for an apartment through the real estate. She was amazing ^_^ 02:06 dcook Actually, a librarian I met when I first moved to Sydney really helped me out 02:05 dcook Public libraries are a tough one. I loved my pubic library in Vancouver. I've gone on and on about it before. I went to it several times a week (at various branches throughout the city), but I never go here in Australia... 01:59 dcook A lot of government folks were (probably still are saying) that everyone has access to computers and internet at home, so why waste money on the public library 01:59 dcook This isn't the article I've read before but...http://metronews.ca/news/saskatoon/95808/cap-cuts-could-mean-less-hours-for-rural-libraries/ 01:57 dcook When I went to library school, my entrance essay was all about public libraries 01:57 dcook I'm still reading it, but...yep 01:57 dcook eythian++ 01:53 cjh a long time ago I wrote a document about some problem areas of plackify-ing koha, recently I did some work on getting plack working with the packages. 01:52 cjh jcamins: a long time ago, in a country far-far-away. 01:48 eythian http://www.blorpy.com/post/40438160965/libraries-matter 01:48 jcamins cjh, you were.working on Plack? 01:48 cjh bgkriegel++ 01:48 cjh cheers 01:47 bgkriegel ok, see you 01:47 bgkriegel of course :) 01:47 cjh awesome, you can pick a time/timezone and as long as I am awake I should be able to follow :) 01:46 bgkriegel ok :) we can exchange some mails to agree on the right time 01:45 cjh so I can follow your excellent lead ;) 01:45 cjh so I will do the release tomorrow, hopefully at a similar time to you and tcohen :) 01:45 bgkriegel we have some time yet 01:45 bgkriegel Ah ok 01:45 cjh bgkriegel: was just writing a reply :) 01:44 wahanui cjh: I forgot cjh 01:44 cjh wahanui: forget cjh 01:44 bgkriegel hi :) 01:44 cjh bgkriegel: hey :) 01:44 wahanui cjh is, like, just finishing off a report on the remaining issues with plack, which should help finish that work off 01:44 bgkriegel cjh? 01:28 * cjh flicks off an email 01:27 cjh we spoke about sending the patches via email earlier, but AFAIK I havent received them. 01:26 jcamins Probably too late for bgkriegel. 01:25 cjh I will be rolling the 3.8 release tonight, not quite sure about the po files yet though. 01:18 bag heh :) 01:18 jcamins :) 01:18 jcamins bag: I already saw that. 01:18 dcook rangi: lol 01:18 huginn 04Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 01:18 bag also jcamins in your scrollback http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 01:17 rangi http://wheninwellington.tumblr.com/ <-- from wizzyrea 01:16 jcamins bgkriegel++ 01:16 jcamins tcohen++ 01:16 jcamins Yay! 01:15 jcamins Ooh, do we have new stable releases? Is that what I see in the scrollback? 00:44 dcook I suppose it has its own bizarre, archaic exceptions too though 00:44 * dcook is a bit of a fan of French grammar 00:44 dcook Such a hodge podge of a language 00:44 dcook I have a degree in English and the more time goes by, the more I feel sympathy for anyone learning English as an additional language 00:43 dcook It seems like you could say ILSs, ILSes, or...*cringe* ILS's 00:30 bag HA - so true 00:29 dcook No wonder it's awesome 00:29 dcook So what you're saying is...in Australia and New Zealand, Koha is developed in the future 00:29 bag dcook: it's Thursday 00:25 dcook Must be Friday 00:25 dcook Wait...that's stackexchange 00:25 dcook Whoa...apparently there is an "English" stackoverflow: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3348/plural-of-an-initialism-that-ends-with-the-letter-s 00:24 dcook hehe 00:24 dcook wb drojf 00:21 wizzyrea ^ love that one 00:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011) 00:21 wizzyrea @quote random 00:21 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010) 00:21 wizzyrea @quote random 00:21 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #262 added. 00:21 wizzyrea @quote add <dcook> The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. 00:19 BobB :) 00:17 dcook :) 00:17 bag well hopefully we continue to stay a step ahead :) 00:17 dcook Air Canada has decent in-flight movies though... 00:16 dcook lol 00:16 dcook The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. 00:16 bag you'll have enjoy energy to fly home yourself skipping the plane 00:16 bag wait until you return from Kohacon 00:16 dcook I suppose I do every day too, but this was a renewed burst of warm fuzzies 00:15 dcook hehe 00:15 bag I think that everyday :D 00:15 bag dcook++ 00:15 dcook I was thinking this morning about how glad I am to be a part of a project like this. 00:14 bag Koha++ 00:14 dcook Koha++ 00:14 dcook Hmm, here's one I've never done before 00:14 dcook That would be pretty great :) 00:13 rangi yep 00:13 bag with NCIP you hopefully would only have to log into Koha :) 00:13 dcook pianohacker++ 00:13 dcook bag++ 00:12 dcook rangi: I suppose for reciprocal borrowing...this would provide a level of discovery and then you'd have to log into that system's ILS to place the hold 00:12 bag yeah I'm assuming a wiki page will be an eventual landing spot :) 00:12 dcook It might be worth mentioning some of these use cases in the bug/commit message 00:12 dcook Totes 00:11 bag just much broader :) 00:11 bag dcook: it uses the same idea as overdrive 00:11 bag so you could search local libraries (maybe eventually leading to a ILL module with NCIP) and you could also search databases 00:11 dcook bag: So it's going on the same idea as that Overdrive patch, eh? 00:11 bag dcook: you can also write connectors into pay-for databases - IE ebsco etc… 00:10 * dcook ponders 00:10 dcook Reciprocal borrowing is pretty good 00:10 dcook hehe 00:10 rangi reciprocal borrowing doesnt :-) 00:10 rangi ILL usually sucks 00:10 dcook But I suppose strictly speaking it's not 00:10 dcook I suppose I put that under the category of ILL still :p 00:10 rangi be nice to be able to search both from either catalogue 00:09 dcook Yeah, I've lived in a few places with reciprocal borrowing 00:09 rangi you could drive to either library 00:09 rangi but you live on the border of the districts 00:09 rangi not ILL 00:09 rangi lots of libraries have recirpocal borrowing 00:09 dcook Err "e.g. ILL" 00:09 dcook i.e. ILL 00:09 dcook But even if the results were de-duplicated/aggregated...wouldn't it only be useful insofar as users are able to actually get access to those items? 00:08 dcook In a way, this would be a federated search, because you're searching multiple targets at once (although the results aren't being de-duplicated/aggregated) 00:08 dcook BobB: Federated search is a funny term though. It seems to me that can mean a few things. 00:07 BobB federated search, dcook, eventually 00:05 dcook Are there other scenarios that you have in mind? 00:05 dcook When I first read the title, I wasn't sure what you would use it for, but that could be rather handy for ILL... 00:04 dcook bag: That does sound rather interesting! 00:02 tcohen good night #koha 00:01 BobB that is such a step forward for Koha, it plugs one of the big gaps 00:00 bag pianohacker++ 00:00 bag yeah