Time Nick Message 23:59 BobB Wow, very cool! 23:59 huginn 04Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 23:59 bag oh yeah BobB - we submitted the external search thing that I showed you - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 23:58 BobB hi bag! 23:58 bag heya BobB 23:56 BobB Well, take care all. 23:55 wizzyrea and wow the people who worked on that are brave. 23:55 wizzyrea it would have been... interesting to see that 23:54 eythian wizzyrea: yeah, anchored and attached to a tug I think 23:54 wizzyrea last I heard it was adrift 23:54 wizzyrea oh good they did get it tied down 23:54 BobB I can't imagine 200km winds; hope your roofs are still on 23:54 eythian we did have a (big) ferry break loose from its mooring, but they managed to park it safely in the harbour. 23:53 BobB I was in Wellington first time in 1971, and iirc, Wahine was stilll lying in the mouth of Wellington Harbour 23:52 BobB Well, great news that everyoone is safe. 23:52 wizzyrea http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1371763562/494/8824494_600x400.jpg < one of the train lines 23:52 eythian BobB: apparently higher winds than in 68 23:52 eythian yeah, kathryn is stuck, no roads, ferries, or power out her way. But that's the worst of it from us. 23:52 BobB shades of '68 23:52 eythian we did a fair bit 23:52 BobB we hope everyone is OK? 23:51 BobB hey rangi, hey eythian, you guys got hammered overnight 23:50 * tcohen goes to try the merge thing, which is still not sure he understands 23:49 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:49 eythian wahanui: startup is http://itsthisforthat.com/ 23:48 drojf alright :D 23:48 tcohen ^^^ it will be there when you're awake 23:48 wahanui i think release maintenance is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance 23:48 tcohen release maintenance? 23:47 drojf ;) 23:47 drojf (i copied it for me to read so i maybe understand what you were talking about when i am awake;( 23:46 drojf rangi: is that talk something that you enjoy giving each time or should i put that somewhere else than my own wiki? :) 23:46 bgkriegel ok :) 23:46 rangi for backup purposes 23:46 rangi then you could cron pootle to push to it nightly 23:45 rangi that would make sense to me 23:45 bgkriegel same structure as in pootle? 23:45 rangi you should be able to push to that repo now 23:45 rangi done 23:44 rangi this is for a fresh repo that only has the .po files eh? 23:44 bgkriegel ok 23:43 rangi lemme just give bgkriegel push rights to that 23:43 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha-translations.git;a=summary 23:43 rangi there is one set up for you already 23:41 tcohen rangi, where should we host a translations repo? 23:39 rangi no worries 23:38 tcohen thanks rangi 23:38 bgkriegel thank you rangi :) 23:38 wizzyrea does anyone have a strategy? 23:38 wizzyrea suppressing on order records from the opac, I know people have done it 23:38 tcohen was about to do it 23:38 tcohen indeed 23:37 bgkriegel tcohen: time to update your notes :-) 23:36 tcohen yes :-D 23:36 rangi with some other words at the top :) 23:36 rangi and cut and paste into an email, and into a post on koha-community.org 23:35 rangi then make sure its utf-8 23:35 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_10_6.txt;h=628f1918a13d4f130146b9e233f00d67e93b2977;hb=297486562293928a78851e37701a3b7ae01947a3 23:35 rangi i go to 23:34 tcohen night cair 23:34 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 23:34 cait night all 23:34 rangi is how i do it 23:34 rangi git merge remotename/branch 23:34 rangi git fetch remotename 23:34 rangi oh 23:34 tcohen i've never merged from a second external repo 23:33 rangi etc 23:33 rangi 'Translation updates for 3.10.14' 23:33 rangi normally the TM does something like 23:33 rangi i cut and paste the release notes from gitweb 23:33 tcohen is there a commit message for that? 23:32 rangi nope just merge them in 23:32 tcohen anything special about including the latest translations? 23:32 rangi how i do it 23:32 rangi but the announcement is the last thing 23:32 rangi depends on if he has time or not 23:32 rangi then you can do an announce when they are ready, or you can announce and say .deb will follow soon 23:31 rangi and he can make new .deb 23:31 rangi the next thing you might want to do is ping eythian when you are ready 23:30 tcohen good to know rangi 23:30 tcohen ok, in 23:29 bgkriegel good :-) 23:29 rangi so if you make a mistake lemme know and we can fix it up 23:29 rangi except sending out the release announcement that is :) 23:29 rangi and dont worry theres nothing you can do ,that i cant undo :-) 23:28 bgkriegel got it 23:28 rangi and the roll release will sign the tarballs 23:28 rangi it will prompt for you gpg passphrase 23:27 rangi yes the -s will sign it 23:27 tcohen i mean, the tag 23:27 rangi feel free to cp your ssh keys up 23:27 tcohen and evne the commit? 23:27 tcohen what about signing those packages? 23:26 bgkriegel was about to ask :) 23:26 rangi actually ill need to make users for you, 2 secs 23:26 rangi scp releases/koha-3.10.06.tar.gz* bugs.koha-community.org:/home/uploads/files/ 23:25 rangi so you then go 23:25 rangi and the MD5 and sig files etc too 23:25 rangi koha-3.8.12.tar.gz 23:25 rangi that contains 23:25 rangi a releases dir 23:25 rangi then you will end up with 23:24 rangi the 3.8.x is the name of your localbranch 23:24 rangi Numbers changed according 23:24 rangi ../release-tools/roll_release.sh 3.8.12 3.8.x 23:24 rangi to do that i do 23:23 rangi once that is done, you are ready to roll the release 23:23 rangi then you need to do a push with --tags 23:23 rangi for example 23:23 rangi git tag -a v3.08.12 -s -m 'Koha release 3.8.12' 23:22 rangi to tag i do 23:22 rangi or you can tag first and then push 23:22 rangi then you can push those 23:22 tcohen syn_rcvd 23:22 rangi awesome 23:21 bgkriegel yes, all ok 23:21 tcohen yes 23:21 rangi bgkriegel/tcohen: with me so far? 23:21 rangi awesome 23:21 rangi heh 23:21 eythian http://i.imgur.com/kf61rN0.jpg <-- path of the Kaitaki ferry last night. 23:20 pianohacker bye all. Stay safe, nz 23:20 rangi to bump the version number 23:20 rangi is edit kohaversion.pl and updatedatabase.pl 23:20 rangi the step i forgot to do last time 23:19 rangi and once you have the updated po files 23:19 rangi so once those notes look ok 23:19 rangi id hope a bugfix release would have no new features :) 23:19 rangi before pushing the notes 23:18 rangi just id remove the new features bit 23:18 rangi oh the master ones look okish 23:18 rangi no on koha-community just not master 23:18 rangi lemme see what difference it makes 23:18 tcohen that was on gitorious? 23:17 rangi to do the release notes 23:17 rangi actually i was using the jcamins branch not master 23:16 tcohen "0 features" 23:16 rangi you probably want to check and edit the release notes if you notice any mistakes 23:15 rangi :) 23:15 bgkriegel ah my mistake, I miss a 0 23:15 rangi hmm 23:15 bgkriegel yes 23:14 rangi do you see a v3.10.06 tag? 23:14 rangi bgkriegel: type git tag 23:14 bgkriegel yes 23:14 bgkriegel mmm, No usable version at ../release-tools/get_bugs.pl line 93. 23:13 rangi next .. bgkriegel you need to set up pull requests or at least branches for 3.10.x and 3.12.x with the updated po files to merge in 23:13 rangi git add, git commit them 23:13 rangi that will make your your 3.10.07 release notes 23:12 rangi ../release-tools/get_bugs.pl --version 3.10.07 -t v3.10.06 23:11 rangi run something like this 23:10 rangi in your up to date 3.10.x or 3.12.x branch 23:10 bgkriegel yep 23:10 rangi then to build the release notes 23:10 tcohen got it 23:09 eythian heh "Lost: TV Antenna. $5 reward." 23:09 rangi so what you want to do is clone this git://git.koha-community.org/release-tools.git 23:08 rangi yep 23:08 tcohen do u have time to talk to us about the release task? 23:08 tcohen gotcha 23:08 rangi heya :) 23:07 tcohen hi rangi 23:07 bgkriegel ok 23:06 tcohen lets' tackle rangi 23:06 bgkriegel hi 23:06 wahanui bgkriegel is on a signoff spree 23:06 tcohen bgkriegel? 23:06 tcohen hi #koha 22:44 ibeardslee http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/interactive/33273/erosion-caught-in-the-slips 22:43 pianohacker "... just imagine you're pulling out of a _really tight_ parallel spot Jimmy" 22:42 eythian https://twitter.com/DomPost/status/347817933717770241/photo/1 <-- sucks to be that person 22:41 bag yeah that's pretty cool :) 22:38 pianohacker that's awesome! 22:37 eythian pianohacker: I used to talk to Australia via a radio data link that bounced off the Mir space station :) 22:33 gmcharlt devs... in.... spaaaaace! 22:30 rangi heh 22:30 pianohacker I'm going to sign in from a relay through the mars reconnaissance orbiter tomorrow, that'll show mtompset 22:29 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period). 22:19 pianohacker those things are poorly-documented barely-duct-taped-together messes of crap 22:19 cjh stable as. 22:18 rangi i didnt until last wednesday 22:18 pianohacker heh, yup, I remember that 22:18 cjh heh 22:18 rangi without a due date 22:18 rangi if you send it a checkout succeeded message 22:18 rangi pianohacker: did you know you can make a 3m machine reboot 22:16 wizzyrea lol 22:15 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-eJQ1mTVzA 22:15 rangi cant get behind that 22:15 wizzyrea more or less 22:15 pianohacker do you still have to poke random Sanskrit down a serial port to get those things to work? 22:14 pianohacker yeah, properly set-up rfid self-check/front desk is pretty amazingly smooth 22:14 wizzyrea it seems not so awful 22:14 rangi but i cant get behind automated return chutes 22:13 wizzyrea ok getting ready to brave the cold and wander towards work 22:13 rangi checkout i can get behind 22:13 pianohacker rangi: hehe, now I have 22:13 rangi *nod* 22:13 wizzyrea yea, every place I've been to they still have to do lot of human processing, it's never as fully automatic as people wish, and for the cost they could probably hire a couple people to do the job. 22:13 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 22:13 cait we should use more marc. 22:12 rangi pianohacker: have you seen the marc one? 22:12 rangi because you have to rescan every anyway 22:12 pianohacker I know what it'll be but I still click on it every time 22:12 rangi they have no redeeming features 22:12 rangi actually the return chutes are the rort 22:12 cait true 22:12 cait heh 22:12 rangi but that doesnt stop ppl spending money on them 22:11 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 22:11 rangi self check? 22:11 rangi naw, still ridiculous 22:11 pianohacker the tags were never horrible, but scanners were expensive and a massive pita to set up 22:11 pianohacker rangi: makes sense. prices come down for that in the past few years? 22:10 cait we don't really recommend hardware 22:10 rangi not buying new scanners 22:10 rangi most of my libraries are moving to rfid 22:10 rangi pianohacker: no idea 22:10 cait ineresting 22:10 cait drizzle. 22:10 pianohacker does anyone know if metrologic's scanners are still good after their acquisition by honeywell? I used to recommend metrologic to anyone 22:09 rangi that would be fine for a mobile library or somethign tho, but not at a circ desk 22:09 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 22:09 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:09 cait hm we got a bit of a storm now 22:09 rangi the phones 22:09 rangi they are slllloooow 22:09 ibeardslee for the 2d/QR barcodes .. is it worth putting effort in getting a cheap android camera phone with barcode scanner? 22:08 pianohacker fine, a 2d pet hair removal comb 22:08 wizzyrea the expensive ones scan 2d barcodes :P 22:07 rangi you'll save that back in about a week 22:07 pianohacker for 8000 nzd you better get lazars (with a z!), bluetooth, wifi and a goddamn pet hair removal comb 22:07 rangi but still, even at 500 say for a super fancy one 22:06 rangi and the ones with network connectivity 22:06 rangi yeah 22:06 pianohacker I guess the laser ones might be the more expensive ones 22:06 pianohacker hrm, that's a CCD scanner though 22:05 rangi yep thatd be about 45us 22:05 ibeardslee https://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=411064 22:05 cait i think the prices dropped a bit since i last checked :) 22:04 pianohacker yup, that sounds right! 22:04 rangi but looking at priceme looks like from $90-8000 nzd range :) 22:04 rangi it was from dick smiths and their website is balls 22:02 pianohacker do you have a link? 22:02 * pianohacker would be quite happy to be proven wrong! :) 22:02 rangi someone is getting ripped off :) 22:02 rangi i bought a usb one for $30 nz about 2 months ago 22:01 wahanui really is off now 22:01 rangi really? 22:01 pianohacker O_o $30? Most reputable scanners I've seen are in the ~$150 range 22:01 rangi unless you get one of those fancy bluetooth ones 22:00 rangi and that costs more than 30$ 22:00 rangi you are really hard pressed to buy a scanner that isnt programmable 22:00 pianohacker I wonder if they have the barcode-programmable Metrologic; those things are everywhere 21:59 rangi because you will typo things, its a guaranteed certainty 21:59 rangi get a scanner that sends an enter 21:59 wizzyrea ^^ what he said 21:59 wizzyrea as described in that wiki page 21:59 rangi if you are typing barcodes you have much bigger problems 21:58 wizzyrea you can stash the javascript directly in the intranetuserjs system preference 21:58 wahanui i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 21:58 wizzyrea jquery library? 21:58 pianohacker and yeah. I didn't appreciate until I had to help out at the front desk one day how big a difference shaving two or three clicks off could make 21:58 wizzyrea if you were to add such a thing you might consider adding your code to the 21:58 wodas Good night guys! 21:58 wodas And yeah i like Koha, only this issue astonished me somehow. 21:58 wodas So thanks for your answers, all of you, i was just wondering if i missed sth. 21:57 pianohacker best of luck looking through the demos, hope you like what you see :) 21:57 wodas Ok. :) 21:57 pianohacker so the answer is no, but you could make it behave the way you expect by either fiddling with your scanner or JavaScript 21:56 wodas i'm used to serve people with lots of media at once, scanning 20 barcodes and stuff. i would go mad, if i always had to press some button or hit enter. :D 21:56 wodas and it was more a theoretical question. 21:55 cait there is also an enter on the numpad 21:55 cait hm could you just press enter instead of clicking it? 21:55 wodas i do. @ piano hacker 21:55 wizzyrea I think they said they don't have a scanner 21:55 pianohacker that requires you or someone you pay knowing JS, though 21:55 cait if you scan into a text file and all barcodes turn out on a new line... than your scanner might be configured to do it already 21:55 pianohacker wodas: If reconfiguring your barcode scanners isn't an option, you _could_ write a bit of JavaScript to automatically submit once a certain number of digits have been entered 21:54 wodas Ok, so i'm used to a rather exotic piece of software. ^^ 21:54 rangi but yeah, just tell the scanner to send a return, problem solved 21:54 cait i know 3 ILS that work that way at least :) 21:54 cait but I think in ILS sending a return at the end is pretty comon 21:54 rangi wodas: you mean proprietary, theres nothing inherently commercial or non commercial about koha 21:54 cait wodas: i don't know about commercial 21:53 pianohacker rangi: That really is. Yay transparency :) 21:53 pianohacker We usually had that on for circ desk staff and off for catalogers, for instance 21:53 rangi pianohacker: otoh its pretty cool we can see all that stuff 21:53 wodas well, i'm used in commercial solutions. they recognize it with the length of the barcode. 21:53 pianohacker most barcode scanners can be configured to sent an "Enter" key or not after a barcode 21:52 wizzyrea how would koha know you were ready to submit? 21:52 pianohacker phew, yeah, nice little dip in http://www.systemoperator.co.nz/daily-reporting 21:52 rangi not if your barcode reader sends an enter 21:52 wodas i have no barcode reader here, but i wondered if you really always have to press submit or hit "enter" when you fill in a  barcode somewhere 21:51 rangi pianohacker: that HVDC transfer, was down last night, powere in the norht island spiked to 600$ ish, and it got to 0.05 in the south island 21:51 wodas and i was wondering about the "submit" buttons 21:51 wodas so i'm testing Koha at the moment. used the demos on the community page. 21:51 rangi pianohacker: http://www.systemoperator.co.nz/power-system-overview 21:50 wodas 'kay. ^^ 21:50 wizzyrea :) 21:50 wizzyrea ^ 21:50 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 21:50 wizzyrea ask? 21:50 wizzyrea yea that was a bit crazy 21:50 wodas i have a feature question concerning koha, is anyone in the mood to help me? 21:50 pianohacker ? 21:50 rangi they lost the north south link last night 21:49 rangi yeah, still about 28k houses without power 21:49 ibeardslee I had flickering in j'ville, but Newlands was dark when I drove in this morning 21:49 wizzyrea seems everyone who has a trampoline had some drama surrounding it 21:49 wodas hello. 21:48 wizzyrea yeah the trampoline memes were quite funny last night 21:48 wizzyrea it flickered quite a lot in newtown but never went out 21:48 rangi https://twitter.com/robhosking/status/347636895267840000 21:48 pianohacker hahahahaha 21:48 ibeardslee one of those things about hardship, brings people closer 21:48 rangi https://twitter.com/philbilbrough/status/347639198133665792 21:48 wizzyrea hehe ^^ what they said 21:47 ibeardslee encourages people to talk to each other 21:47 rangi you get some great wellington humour coming out 21:47 rangi its still nice even then 21:47 pianohacker wellington's so binary; seems like such a nice place to live when mother nature isn't trying to wipe it off the earth 21:47 ibeardslee yeah there were some glitchs levon had to come in to check 21:47 cjh in kelburn our lights were flickering quite a bit 21:46 rangi once a 7.11 and once at 7.27 21:46 rangi my ups here at work blipped twice 21:46 rangi ibeardslee: heh fun and games all round the region last night 21:45 rangi that used to be a road 21:45 rangi 11 too 21:44 rangi image 5 is our beach .. or was :) 21:44 cait wow ouch! 21:44 ibeardslee rangi: those gold awards weren't without fun and games .. power went out for a bit and Daniel mentioned something about a wall blowing in and knocking things over 21:44 rangi snapping big chunks of concrete like that, is pretty impressive 21:43 rangi image 3 21:43 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8824068/Wellington-wakes-to-wind-whipped-city 21:43 cjh alll wallsea. 21:43 pianohacker wallsea? 21:43 cjh seawall? 21:43 rangi no wonder there were fish on the road 21:42 cait seawall? 21:42 rangi the seawall was demolished 21:42 * cait can imagine worse things 21:42 rangi wow 21:41 cait heh 21:41 pianohacker imagine a world where CSS was written in XML! 21:40 pianohacker bah! 21:40 * cait feels rebellious 21:40 cait xslt++ :) 21:40 pianohacker and I really like the idea of XSLT. The thing I've never gotten is why XSLT _itself_ had to be written in XML 21:39 rangi *nod* 21:38 pianohacker true. I just have a deep-seated hatred of XML in general. Like most widely-adopted things, though, it's at least better than some of the alternatives 21:38 rangi the bit i like, its repeatable 21:38 wizzyrea it's at least mostly comprehensible. 21:38 rangi xslt that is 21:38 rangi its better than a lot of other things ive seen 21:37 gmcharlt gotta have some balance 21:37 gmcharlt xslt++ 21:37 * pianohacker approves 21:37 pianohacker oh good, xslt has a karma of -3 21:35 pianohacker ha-hey, nice :) 21:35 rangi in happier wellington news, catalyst won a gold award last night 21:35 gmcharlt pianohacker: drnoe: correct 21:35 pianohacker xslt-- 21:34 pianohacker drnoe: from what I can tell from http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=8969 , it joins together all of the subfields of that tag with spaces 21:33 rangi drnoe: i have no idea im afraid 21:33 pianohacker Yay daily netsplit 21:30 drnoe hello #koha, I have a question regarding DOM: in [biblios-OR-authority]-koha-indexdefs.xml, how does <index_data_field [blah] tag=xxx> work differently from <index_subfields[blah] tag="xxx" subfields="a">? Aside from the obvious (specific subfields can be indexed), how does using data_field work? Does it simply index the whole thing? 21:29 wizzyrea \o/ 21:29 rangi right, made it to work 20:51 gmcharlt or try request a SRU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates), though I get the impression from reading it that they set the bar higher 20:49 gmcharlt looks like they provide a requestbackport script 20:49 gmcharlt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports#Requesting_a_Backport 20:48 jcamins Well, package maintainer. 20:48 gmcharlt right 20:48 mtompset Oh bug report with ubuntu. 20:47 jcamins I imagine that eythian would object to something that adds work for him for no real benefit. 20:47 gmcharlt 0.22 *is* packaged for quantal 20:47 mtompset why a precise-backports? 20:47 gmcharlt maybe file a bug or do whatever to ask ubuntu to port 0.22 to precise-backports? 20:46 gmcharlt there's no licensing bar to doing that, though I'm not sure how the package powers that be would feel about operating a (very partial) precise-backports tree 20:44 mtompset Does the license allow for us to provide the 0.22 on koha repos? 20:43 gmcharlt the "for qw(a b c)" construct that it used to used is deprecated in the version of the Perl that's packaged with Precise 20:43 mtompset Oh, there's a log spew in the Ubuntu version as a result? 20:43 gmcharlt mtompset: there's no functional difference, but the change introduced in 0.21 fixes a log-spew 20:43 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Library::... changelog" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/77 20:42 mtompset I read the change log, and it doesn't seem to make much difference. 20:42 mtompset Can't you change the required number to 0.20? 20:41 gmcharlt mtompset: sadly, yes 20:34 mtompset Oh sucky! liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl in Ubuntu is an earlier version. 20:12 drojf i hope we don't do the roof exchange thing 20:12 drojf large thunderstorm coming up 20:05 rangi sunspot: so far all my systems are still up :) 19:58 sunspot rangi: wow, seriously fierce storm ... any service incidents you need to report? LOL ;) 19:58 rangi lost a fence, collected a bit of someone elses roof 19:57 rangi yeah, the house is fine, and we didnt lose power 19:57 pianohacker oh crap! You okay? 19:57 rangi sunspot: yep and yep 19:57 rangi pianohacker: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8823953/Storm-hits-Wellington-like-a-freight-train 19:53 pianohacker rangi: also, fence? 19:53 pianohacker umm. I'd never thought of that. Is sunspot right? 19:53 sunspot koha is from new zealand right? 19:53 sunspot rangi: I assume it refers to #3 ;) 19:52 sunspot rangi++ on your handle: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rangi 19:47 rangi hmm no fence 19:26 ibeardslee good to know 19:26 sunspot ibeardslee: we're working with a number of OSS players in various communities to develop integration points to make it really easy to report incidents on a dashboard 19:26 sunspot ibeardslee: our integration libraries will all be open source, yes 19:24 ibeardslee sunspot: is your speel for an open source product? 19:21 pianohacker True. We appreciate that 19:20 sunspot I'd like to avoid sending a spammy email to a public mailing list 19:20 pianohacker Is anyone here familiar with real-world use of the calendar module? The precedence rules currently put weekday-holidays above yearly-holidays, which seems a bit bass-ackwards, but I can preserve that if it's important 19:18 pianohacker hmmm. That would be an excellent thing to mention in your email :) 19:17 sunspot would the koha project be interested in a free account for tracking the project's various services, websites, etc? 19:13 sunspot drojf: indeed :) 19:10 drojf sunspot: that's a large number of incidents too :P 19:08 pianohacker We only just made it into the 10,000s, whereas Mozilla has been in the 100,000s for a while now :) 19:07 gmcharlt we've also been around for a while :) 19:07 pianohacker hahahaha yeah 19:07 sunspot oh my, that is a rather large database of bugs LOL 19:05 pianohacker http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 19:04 pianohacker then post to the Koha mailing list 19:04 pianohacker sunspot: My advice would be to create a bug on the community bug tracker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ describing what you have in mind, and mark "Change sponsored?" as "Seeking developer" 19:02 sunspot is this channel a good place to find people that might be interested in collaborating on that? 19:00 drojf hi mtompset 19:00 sunspot and we think librarians are our natural allies, we imagine they like to keep track of things :) 19:00 sunspot e.g., http://30suns.com/amazonaws/ 19:00 sunspot the basic idea is that 30suns lets you easily report all service incidents to a service health dashboard 18:59 sunspot we are hoping to find a developer or two to partner with to integrate our status reporting with Koha 18:58 sunspot pianohacker: :) 18:58 pianohacker ;) What's your question? 18:58 pianohacker oh crap somebody wants help! run away 18:57 sunspot hi all, alex from 30suns.com, I logged in last night and was told things may be more active at other times so I'm back :) 18:42 pianohacker hey mtompset :) 18:42 mtompset BTW, greetings drojf and pianohacker. :) 18:21 mtompset pianohacker++ 18:21 mtompset Hmmm... flagsrequired. Good idea, pianohacker. 18:17 pianohacker catalogue, for instance, does not allow access to any patron information 18:17 pianohacker that would be an easy way of solving your problem. Look for the flagsrequired line in the various .pl scripts to see what permissions are required for certain tasks 18:16 mtompset because right now the difference between staff and OPAC clients in terms of searching hidden items is what I'm thinking about. 18:15 pianohacker mtompset: Very little, the base "catalogue" permission allows access to a very small minimum 18:14 mtompset That's what I need to test. Because if I just give a user staff client access, what can they do with it? 18:10 drojf i don't know the permissions too well but you can turn off a lot in there 18:09 mtompset Yes. 18:09 mtompset without affecting the catalogue or acquistions or other system settings, etc. 18:08 drojf mtompset: you mean allow only searching the catalogue? 18:06 mtompset While I'm thinking of it. Is it possible to access the staff client for only searching the catalogue? 18:05 mtompset Thanks for the conversation yesterday, everyone. I think we'll finally end up determining how to deal with policy and technology to handle our scenarios in a meeting in the near future. :) 18:04 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:48 nengard anyone koha if there is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored 16:59 gaetan_B bye 16:52 nengard is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored 16:46 reiveune bye 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10010 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor 16:09 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor 16:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1265: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1265/ 15:42 * drojf opens up a real book. made out of paper. strange stuff 15:42 drojf have fun 15:41 jcamins (visiting my alma mater) 15:41 * jcamins wanders off as well to see if there's anyone interesting in the English department. 15:41 bgkriegel bye 15:40 drojf somebody closed the wrong window ;) 15:35 jcamins librarygeekadam: not really. There is a development to make it possible to upload files to attach to records, but in terms of turning Koha into a document management system, I think most people would rather use a system specifically designed for that, like Kete. 15:34 pianohacker librarygeekadam: That was our bot. He saw the @ and thought you were asking him to do something :) 15:33 huginn librarygeekadam: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 15:33 librarygeekadam @jcamins do you know if using koha as a repository is something that is being discussed for future development? 15:32 jcamins (but I wouldn't rely on that being in 3.14 until I saw it was in 3.14) 15:31 jcamins One of the RM's goals is to add support for other types of metadata. 15:31 jcamins 1) As of today, you would need to convert your other metadata into brief MARC records, and, 2) the OPAC can link to external resources and embed HTML5 audio/video. 15:29 librarygeekadam Greetings! I have a quick question and would appreciate any answer or information anyone can provide. We are in the process of planning out a digital archives and possible institutional repository. Is koha capable of handling dublin core and other formats of metadata? Is koha able to handle document or media files or at least be able to pull up the file if we provide the path? 15:15 bgkriegel ok :) 15:15 tcohen bbl 15:15 tcohen i'm sorry, i'm writing my birthday email for my friends :-P 15:14 wahanui tcohen is 122 15:14 bgkriegel tcohen? 15:06 adam_m I have a question about making labels, nothing really to do with koha itself, but what kind of paper or tape or whatever would anyone suggest for putting barcodes onto books? 14:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1265 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1da312ce43e68eb82c511e7563c16dabcb4e6c8b> 14:28 Viktor I wish you all a great midsummer! (one of the biggest national holidays here in Sweden for those not in the know.) 14:15 drojf and hail and thunderstorm :D 14:15 * drojf awaits the promised rain 14:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.4°C (4:13 PM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 14:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 14:05 drojf Viktor: i don't think that works in the university network, i sent you a direct message 14:02 Viktor drojf Trying to send it using "send file" in IRC. 14:01 drojf yes that would be cool 14:00 Viktor drojf The translators started an excel file that looks like it might be something in that direction. It's just a few lines as of now but if you want to have a look and find it useful I can ask them to keep building on it. 13:59 drojf yes we did 13:59 Viktor drojf Yes. Didn't we talk about dictionaries as a byproduct of translation a while back? 13:58 drojf hi Viktor. you have been looking for me? 13:58 Viktor jcamins Yep. I have a company doing offline translation for 3.12 staff interface and they did a few things not quite ok with quotes that I didn't catch. 13:57 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012) 13:57 jcamins Viktor: translating on Pootle? :) 13:57 gmcharlt @quote random 13:57 Viktor And hi drojf 13:57 Viktor Let it also be known that bgkriegel provides swift and competent support even when you make newbie errors. Thanks for that :) 13:54 Viktor jcamins And if you don't find it thats an excuse for me to code a bit :D 13:53 Viktor jcamins Thanks. It's no big deal but it would be great with a few such boxes on the opac at go live this autumn. 13:53 jcamins I don't use it anymore. 13:53 jcamins I'll take a look around, see if I can find it. 13:53 jcamins Viktor: I'm not sure where I have a copy of that code, actually... 13:52 Viktor Is it on Github or such? I've been thinking about something like that with a Python script that outputs html to import into the Opac. 13:52 jcamins Viktor: I'm spending the morning in a college library, which means I fall under their site license. 13:51 Viktor jcamins Good question. Our public libraries don't seem to think so. And I used to mourn the lack of usage of databases when I was the IT-librarian at a public library. 13:51 jcamins Though it wasn't really for a blog. 13:51 jcamins I ended up writing my own. 13:51 jcamins Viktor: I had a lot of trouble finding something that did that. 13:50 Viktor Does anyone have a nice "last headlines and first 150 characters on the blog" widget to share? I've been checking the web but it seems like the kind of search that makes me wade through spam sites and homemade scripts... 13:49 jcamins [off] Is there anything I want from academic databases? 13:47 jcamins Apparently not. 13:47 jcamins Heh. 13:47 Viktor I guess not even the librarians implementing the system used call number browse very much :) 13:46 Viktor And it's not just the search results. I'd have thought that authors were displayed when looking at a particular book but it seems not. 13:45 jcamins But with the call number browse, if it weren't for the fact that I recognize almost every single book in the 'Z's, it would be entirely useless. 13:45 Viktor Call number browse not looking very helpful :) 13:44 Viktor Aha - now I see it! 13:44 jcamins Yeah, I guess it's just the call number browse which is unusable. 13:43 Viktor The last one looks quite a bit better. And does seem to give me authors at free search at least. 13:43 jcamins Also, they apparently can't handle paging in multiple tabs. 13:43 jcamins Argh! 13:43 jcamins The absence of authors in the results view is a bit annoying, though. 13:42 jcamins Oh, yeah, definitely hideous. But that's what I anticipated. 13:42 Viktor Well I'd say hideous. Looks like 1997... 13:42 jcamins [off] http://libcat.tcnj.edu:7009/ <-- there! 13:42 jcamins No... 13:41 jcamins Other than that, it mostly just looks out of date, and the same as it did five years ago. 13:41 jcamins Ah-ha. The disastrous interface is just in the call number browse. 13:40 jcamins That's the URL I started at, but a different interface. 13:40 jcamins Wait, that's kind of weird. 13:40 jcamins [off] http://libcat.tcnj.edu/ 13:39 Viktor Do you have a URL? I have to see this :) 13:38 jcamins Instead of looking out-of-date, to my eye it now just looks tacky. 13:38 jcamins It's also even uglier. 13:38 jcamins I know! 13:38 Viktor What - no authors? That's a fairly weird move... 13:37 jcamins Along with authors. 13:37 jcamins Viktor: they "updated" it, and removed all the labels from the search results. 13:37 Viktor Now I'm interested. Voyager isn't on my radar. Nice surprise or five years making it even more outdated? 13:33 Viktor jcamins Sound's like it communicates the right thing. Thanks! 13:32 jcamins I am using a Voyager catalog, and you know how we thought "ew" five years ago? Apparently we had no idea. 13:31 jcamins Wow, I am impressed. 13:30 jcamins Managing lots of libraries. 13:29 jcamins I'd interpret it as being a fairly senior position. 13:28 Viktor jcamins Quite correct ;) 13:28 jcamins Viktor: sit in meetings. 13:27 Viktor Can I ask a OT question since you guys are my best international library related network? What would you think that a person with the title "Head of the Regional Library Department" does for a living? 13:22 khall jcamins: yes I would tend to agree with that 13:21 magnuse yup 13:20 jcamins magnuse: that's why including the normalized ISBN/ISSN in the indexes is less work. 13:19 magnuse so having a noramlized isbn *somewhere* for the indexing sounds like a good idea 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 13:19 magnuse jcamins, khall: and people seem to agree on bug 6590 that we should not change what cataloguers entered before storing it in the record, or at least that is how i remember it 13:06 jcamins Less work for you. ;) 13:06 jcamins khall: the way to handle ISBN/ISSN matching would be to include a normalized ISBN/ISSN in the Zebra indexes. 12:58 khall ha! 12:58 jcamins Hint to network administrators everywhere: Netscape is no longer used. 12:58 jcamins khall: it does until you try it. 12:56 khall security through absurdity still sounds better than security though obscurity ; ) 12:55 jcamins lol 12:55 khall a man has a problem, he needs to hide some data on the details page, he says "I know! I'll edit he xsl file!", now that man has 2 problems. 12:54 samueld ok 12:54 jcamins This is not security, this is absurdity. 12:54 jcamins college_networks-- 12:53 khall you can parse the url to know if you should even run the code to hide it 12:53 kf you should never change files ever. that's the first rule :) 12:53 kf samueld: look in the system preferences 12:53 khall samueld: you would put it in opacuserjs 12:53 kf khall: can't right now - maybe later 12:52 khall kf: take a look at the patch for 6590 12:52 samueld khall: if i understand, i need to use jquery but at which level? In which file should i use jquery? 12:52 kf there are fields in marc21 for those 12:52 kf sometimes they print a wrong isbn on a book 12:52 kf not sure what's the best way here - but it coudl also be invalid isbn by the way 12:51 kf khall: i would think that you'd need to have the right forms in the record or use dom with some xsl ... but then you can't use business:isbn... 12:50 khall samueld: it may be easier to hide with jquery than it would be to remove if from the xsl file 12:49 khall seems like they'd have to be for the matcher to work on issn 12:48 kf you'd need to make the index right i think 12:48 kf khall: those are not indexed 12:47 khall we can do all the exact same stuff with issn too afterward 12:47 kf bit hectic here - starting a webinar in a few minutes :) 12:47 kf oh alright :) 12:47 khall kf: yeah, that's what I'm using! 12:47 kf khall: hm have you looked at business:isbn? 12:44 samueld i suppose it's a question of xsl 12:43 samueld another question (now of display): is it possible to delete Current location or Home Library of a detailed record? 12:21 khall looking at the code, that is an interesting solution. I'd never have though to use xsl 12:18 khall howoever, it looks like 6590 might help here, with a bit of modification 12:18 khall it works, but it looks like I'll have to modify the fields within the record itself, which I was hoping to avoid 12:17 khall however, I'm going a but further. I'm stripping all non isbn stuff out so "08-77-790-019 (black leather)" would become "0877790019" 12:14 magnuse hehe 12:14 * khall needs to ask about stuff before starting any development 12:14 khall magnuse: I wish I'd seen this earlier! Thanks! 12:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 12:13 magnuse see also bug 6590 :-) 12:13 khall hmm, maybe I need to reindex 12:12 khall I've written a sub to normalize all the isbns in a record ( stripping them down to raw, valid isbns without any cruft ) and storing that in the biblio.isbn and import_biblios.isbn fields, but it's not helping 12:12 kf that is my experience ;) 12:12 kf and if you don't wait for the index to catch up, you have problems 12:12 kf it certainly needs zebra to work 12:11 khall right now if I am correct, it only matches on the exact same set of isbn's in the exact same order. 12:11 khall I'm trying to improve the isbn matching 12:10 khall if you look at C4::Matcher::get_matches it's doing a marc search 12:10 khall kf: that's what I thought, but I'm not sure that is the case really 12:09 kf so i'd thing the table columsn are probably only to ease searching/identifying? 12:09 kf khall: it's suing zebra for matching 12:08 khall mornin kf! 12:07 khall rangi et al: are the isbn and issn fields in import_biblios vestigial? I had thought they were used for record matching, but that seems to be done using the marc only 12:07 kf morning khall :) 12:06 khall mornin all! 11:37 alex_a :) 11:36 liw rangi, eek! 09:54 rangi samueld: you probably have to change the record.abs file and reindex 09:53 magnuse ouch 09:51 rangi the wahine tried to come into the harbour when it shouldnt have and hit rocks 09:51 rangi well the difference is kaitaki is in hte harbour, has stabilisers and no passengers 09:50 kf let's hope it doesn't sink 09:50 kf talk like that is not good 09:50 rangi ppl are sayyin the storm reminds them of the one that sunk the wahine 09:50 kf she has quite a history 09:49 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEV_Wahine 09:49 rangi not like this one 09:49 kf really weird weather 09:48 rangi i think no passengers 09:48 kf we are supposed to get some big thunderstorms too today, tomorrow 09:48 rangi its ok, they will just have to keep the engines going all night 09:48 kf :( 09:48 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Kaitaki 09:47 rangi thats a big ferry too 09:47 rangi The Kaitaki ferry in Wellington harbour has broken its moorings, and staff were unable to bring it back into berth. An Interislander spokeswoman said the ship had been anchored in the harbour temporarily. 09:46 rangi All flights, ferries and train services in and out of the capital are cancelled tonight. 09:46 rangi Power is out to more than 25,000 homes across Wellington and a ferry has broken loose from its moorings as one of the worst storm in decades batters the region. 09:45 rangi then you read this 09:44 rangi that doesnt sound too bad 09:44 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Rising). 09:44 rangi @wunder nzwn 09:37 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 09:37 magnuse @wunder boo 09:36 magnuse kf: freezing? 09:31 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.3°C (11:30 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 09:31 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:26 samueld we would like to make research on the date of record creation: is it possible (and how?) 09:26 samueld date of publishing is linked to field 210$d and 305 (we use Unimarc): how can we delete the field 305? I suppose it's in zebra 09:26 samueld i've some questions about search in koha 09:25 samueld hi everybody 09:24 kf ugh 09:23 rangi ohhh 11metre waves in the harbour 08:43 rangi http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-add-jobs-to-cron-under-linux-or-unix-oses/ 08:42 rangi i think maybe you need to read up on linux server admin .. these aren't koha questions 08:37 saa hw do i knw where this file would be nw if i created it with koha@localhost:crontab -e 08:35 saa atleast if i run as a koha it gave me mail with /bin/sh not found error 08:35 saa but hw will i knw whether it ran or nt 08:34 rangi (not really a koha issue, more linux/unix) 08:34 rangi its gonna run as the user you edited with, so you dont specify a user 08:34 rangi if you edit with crontab -e 08:34 rangi that file is set up for placing in /etc/cron.d 08:33 saa and in each line added koha whereever __KOHA_USER was replaced with koha 08:32 saa but who should own the file 08:32 saa crontab -e and read file from /usr/share/koha/bin/crontab.example 08:32 rangi put it in /etc/cron.d ? 08:32 saa logged in as koha user 08:32 rangi how did you set up the cron job? 08:31 saa can someone help to correct the cronjob so that new records are searched in OPAC 08:30 saa i have set koha cronjob with koha as a user but rebuild_zebra gives an error in mail kohauser mail says "/bin/sh: koha: not found" 08:26 * rangi blathers on while he still has power 08:25 rangi the hourly average is up to 102 08:25 rangi ohh 08:20 rangi About 1100 households were without power, on one of the coldest nights of the year. 08:20 rangi Wellington Electricity spokesman Drew Douglas said the weather had caused extensive damage, with affected areas including Titahi Bay, Trentham, Silverstream, Wingate, Wainuiomata, Miaramar and Kingsley Heights. 08:07 saa can some one help 08:06 saa i need to set koha cron i upgraded koha from 3.8 to 3.10 i logged in as koha user and created crontab -e and whereever koha_user was there i have added koha but rebuild_zebra does not work 08:02 rangi https://twitter.com/badtom/status/347615759742144514 07:57 magnuse yeah, that is some wind 07:55 rangi no wonder its loud 07:55 * dac wishes Wellington and NZers all the best. 07:55 rangi yay average windspeed of 81kmph 07:52 rangi UPS apc@localhost on battery 07:52 rangi hmmm power flicking like crazy 07:40 magnuse english <3 07:39 wahanui english is spoken @ BibLibre :) 07:39 dac English... 07:39 dac Apparently "to adumbrate" is another term for "to outline" as in to outline one's points 07:34 magnuse you did not melt en route to work? 07:33 magnuse wb kf 07:20 kf hi #koha 07:00 wahanui gaetan_B is probably working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 07:00 dcook hey gaetan_B 06:59 wahanui hola, gaetan_B 06:59 gaetan_B hello 06:50 alex_a bonjour dcook ! 06:50 dcook bonjour alex_a :) 06:45 alex_a +b 06:45 alex_a onjour 06:41 dcook ta, cait 06:41 dcook Sort of a good...in-between language 06:41 cait ok, leavingnow - bbiab 06:41 dcook I think they tend to use English overall 06:40 cait or do some double label 06:40 cait well i would use their primary language then 06:40 dcook So we care! :D 06:40 reiveune hi cait, marcelr, magnuse, dcook :) 06:40 cait oh wow :) 06:40 dcook I think mostly French and Arabic though 06:40 dcook We have a few multilingual libraries 06:40 dcook Mmm 06:40 cait meaning it's one-language-only 06:40 cait should not be a problem for you :) 06:40 cait only thing for us is the label is not translatable 06:39 cait makes it look almost like is has always been there 06:39 cait yes 06:39 dcook cait: For display on the template? 06:39 dcook bonjour reiveune 06:38 cait and bbl 06:38 cait hi marcelr 06:38 marcelr hi reiveune cait 06:38 cait ah sorry dcook: yes grouping and defining custom labels for the groups 06:38 reiveune hello 06:37 marcelr hi dcook sophie_m 06:37 dcook salut sophie_m 06:36 dcook hey ya marcelr 06:35 marcelr hi #koha 06:32 rangi lots of snow 06:29 magnuse ooh, 6 degrees! snow in the mountains? 06:28 rangi http://www.metservice.com/maps-radar/rain-radar/wellington 06:27 rangi yep big southerly front 06:27 dcook Whoa..that rainfall came out of nowhere 06:27 rangi we are getting hammered, but not as bad as the south island 06:27 drojf dcook: lol 06:26 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Falling). 06:26 rangi @wunder nzwn 06:26 dcook drojf, I know this might sound ridiculous, but every time I see a bollard now...I think of you :p 06:26 rangi check out the graphs 06:26 rangi http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=IWELLING75 06:26 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.1°C (8:13 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 06:26 matts hello ! :) 06:26 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 06:26 drojf hey dcook 06:26 dcook You too matts ;) 06:26 * dcook waves to rangi and drojf 06:24 drojf hi rangi 06:24 * rangi waves before taking the kids to bed 06:24 drojf hei magnuse 06:24 magnuse moin drojf 06:24 magnuse hiya dcook 06:23 drojf good morning #koha 06:22 dcook Mmm, I remember now...something about grouping? 06:22 * dcook is doing some work with patron attributes so very keen to learn all he can about them 06:21 dcook So what does it do? 06:21 cait i found it: PA_CLASS 06:21 dcook cait: Not sure I follow 06:21 dcook hey ya magnuse 06:21 wahanui well, knowledge is power, france is bacon. 06:21 magnuse knowledge? 06:20 * magnuse waves 05:59 cait documenting authorized values... wasn't there one to make labels for patron attributes? 05:59 cait hmmm 05:55 saa after upgrade of koha from 3.8.6 to 3.12 rebuild zebra does not work and no results are found in OPAC hw to sort out this error why cron is not updating records 05:49 dcook O_o 05:48 wahanui OK, eythian. 05:48 eythian wahanui: knowledge \is power is <reply>France is bacon. 05:47 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 05:47 eythian wahanui: knowledge \is power 05:47 wahanui OK, eythian. 05:47 eythian wahanui: knowledge is power 05:43 wahanui dcook: i'm not following you... 05:43 dcook Wahanui, you're so witty. 05:43 dcook lol 05:42 wahanui i guess winter is almost gone! I already need the fan on 05:42 cait winter... 05:41 dcook I think we're losing our blue sky now but the rooftop tree is still pretty still 05:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 14.4°C (3:40 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 05:40 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 05:37 eythian see, that's more normal for a winter evening. 05:36 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 05:36 magnuse @wunder boo 05:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 28.94 in 980 hPa (Falling). 05:21 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.7°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 05:20 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:56 cait hm but supposed to rain today... we will see 04:55 cait really do 04:54 cait wish it would 04:50 wizzyrea hehe probably not. 04:50 cait wizzyrea: it's 6:50 am - i am not sure it will stay so nice :) 04:49 wizzyrea less nice in pakistan. 04:49 wizzyrea :) 04:49 wizzyrea hm that's nicer than it was when you went to bed. 04:49 cait hi eythian 04:48 eythian hi cait 04:48 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.5°C (6:45 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 04:48 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:48 cait hi Oak 04:47 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 04:47 Oak @wunder islamabad 04:46 Oak Guten morgen cait 04:18 dcook I feel bad for anyone reading these logs... 04:18 dcook hehe 04:18 wizzyrea lol 04:18 wizzyrea nah just a breeze 04:17 dcook Oh, now it's still again 04:17 dcook That's weird timing.. 04:17 wizzyrea oh there it goes perhaps the wind just arrived 04:17 dcook Oh...one of mine is starting to shake a little more 04:17 wizzyrea my tree isn't doing much of anything at the moment 04:16 dcook Natural weathervanes :D 04:16 dcook There are a few trees on the roof of the building over. 04:16 wizzyrea :) 04:16 dcook wizzyrea: Same here 04:16 wizzyrea it's funneled in 04:16 wizzyrea my judge of wind is that tall tree out the window just behind me 04:16 dcook I thought that Wellington had a bunch of hills/mountains around it. Where's all this wind coming from? 04:16 eythian no, not right now, but it has been in the past month or so 04:15 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 04:15 dcook huginn wasn't quite right about Sydney either. It's sunny, there are blue skies, and no wind. :/ 04:15 wizzyrea hm it's not that windy 04:15 eythian probably everything that is likely to blow down or away already has. 04:14 dcook Time to batten down the hatches? 04:12 eythian we're supposed to have 130+kph wind this evening. 04:12 dcook Touché, eythian 04:12 dcook "I'm pretty warm but I'm just cold enough to make you not want to walk somewhere for lunch" 04:12 eythian dunno what you're talking about 04:12 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). 04:12 eythian @wunder nzwn 04:12 dcook The weather right now...it's mocking us 04:11 dcook But that's different somehow 04:11 dcook I still maintain I can do -30 winters with 100km+ winds 04:11 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (2:00 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 04:11 dcook @wunder Sydney, Australia 04:11 dcook I think I'm sick of winter already. Summer should come back. *nods* 04:07 dcook :D 04:07 wizzyrea there, that ought to look bette.r 04:05 wizzyrea lol I got in :) 04:05 dcook brb 04:04 * dcook tries to think of something clever to put in 04:04 dcook Tell me what you want to put up there and I'll write it out 04:04 dcook That's not good 04:03 wizzyrea atm 04:03 wizzyrea mine's broken at 04:03 wizzyrea if you have a wiki login, you can update it for me :P 04:00 wizzyrea probably yep 04:00 dcook wizzyrea: Looks like you could use an update: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 03:59 dcook Fridolyn Somers++ 03:56 dcook Looks like I have to keep the fix for 3.8 anyway 03:56 dcook Looks like they opted for my original idea, although my latter idea had fewer changes.. 03:56 dcook Gotta love how there are different ways of doing things with programming 03:53 wizzyrea natch 03:53 dcook Oh sure...it's already been fixed in master... 03:48 dcook Oh, Acquisitions...you're crazy 03:47 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. 03:47 mtompset Feel free to read C4::Member fixup_cardnumber, AddMember_Opac and C4::Input checkdigit to see the ugliness soon to be covered. :) 03:46 dcook Sounds messy, but go get that proper sleep :p 03:45 mtompset the former being a matter of timing things in the old code, while the latter requiring a process to die in the midst of adding a cardnumber. 03:44 dcook But good night :) 03:44 dcook Hmm, I think that's grammatically impossible :p 03:44 mtompset My patch trades a duplicate problem (worst case scenario) for a skipped number (worst case scenario). 03:43 mtompset I think I'll do that later. I need proper sleep in order to get back on board my weightloss programme. 03:43 dcook mtompset++ 03:43 dcook :D 03:42 mtompset Now to find all the ways to trigger the fixup_cardnumber function, and trigger them. 03:42 mtompset Okay, the updatedatabase.pl part of the patch works. 03:38 dcook I just turned on color/syntax highlighting instead :p 03:37 dcook Certainly a good one to know 03:37 mtompset That's one of the first things I learned. :) 03:37 dcook You know...it being obvious and all 03:37 dcook Oh that's special...I didn't know you could "git diff <file>" 03:36 dcook Hmm, git blame time... 03:35 dcook First time I've ever used .outerHTML in JS 03:35 dcook On the plus side, I think I've just about resolved this acquisitions/authorized value thing 03:33 dcook Yeesh 03:33 dcook I stared at the thing for 5 minutes before I realized it was a string and not an integer 03:32 dcook I had the same thing happen with a different project a little while ago 03:32 dcook Handy thing to notice though 03:32 mtompset or things you forget like casting to integer on the sort order. :P 03:31 dcook :D 03:31 dcook Gotta love undocumented features... 03:31 dcook Although I suppose sometimes it seems like there's an endless train of bugs... 03:30 dcook But then you can resolve the bugs :) 03:30 mtompset That's why I test, but I hate testing. I keep finding tiny bugs. 03:30 dcook How does that expression go...10% development, 90% error checking? 03:30 dcook I want the thing to be as good as possible before I release it 03:30 dcook Really 03:29 * dcook loves testing 03:29 mtompset You almost always find some mistake. 03:29 mtompset Did I mention that I hate testing? :) 03:11 dcook I think she's been taking some RDA courses and such, so hopefully she'll provide some insight 03:11 bgkriegel thanks :) 03:11 dcook Anyway, I've emailed that librarian with a link to the PDF :) 03:11 dcook I figure it's best to have at least one source where they have access to everything just in case 03:10 dcook I suppose in the end it depends on the people who set up individualized frameworks, their cataloguers, and what sorts of policies they have in place 03:09 bgkriegel they are not included now, so it's harmless, I suppose 03:08 dcook I think it helps to minimize data loss overall. Makes sense not to include them in the other frameworks though, me thinks 03:07 dcook I think that's a good policy 03:06 bgkriegel current policy is to not remove tags (at last from default) 03:05 dcook K. Thanks :) 03:05 bgkriegel just the default 03:05 dcook bgkriegel: Are obsolete tags included in the frameworks or just the default? 03:04 mtompset It's no longer listed. :) 03:04 mtompset then a git commit --amend. 03:04 mtompset did a git add. 03:04 mtompset Actually... I undid my 2 byte fix. 03:04 cjh mtompset: that would go back one commit (1 before HEAD), rather than unstage the added files. 03:03 cjh eythian: neato 03:02 dcook eythian: This is nifty! 03:02 eythian not git commit message 03:02 wahanui git status is a-ok 03:02 eythian mtompset: git status 03:02 mtompset in my git commit message. 03:02 eythian https://duckduckgo.com/?q=crontab+0+0+*+*+*+%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fnice+-n+15+%2Fusr%2Flocal%2Fddg%2Fsysadmin%2Flog%2Flogrotate_ubuntu.sh <-- OK, this is really quite nifty 03:01 mtompset mine says git reset HEAD^1 <file> 03:01 dcook mtompset: But yeah...I've never managed to break Git. You can always reverse your changes. As for losing work in progress...I would suggest git stash save and possibly using multiple branches. 03:00 dcook Sorry, eythian! 03:00 dcook Drr..I'm slow 03:00 dcook Mmm 03:00 eythian # (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage) 03:00 eythian # Changes to be committed: 03:00 eythian mine says: 02:59 * dcook should've checked that first... 02:59 dcook But yep...discards working directory changes 02:59 dcook eythian: My git status says "git checkout --" 02:59 cjh you DONT need --hard, --hard will also undo your changes 02:59 dcook Now that I think about it, maybe git checkout -- actually removes working directory changes.. 02:59 eythian It's also what git tells you to do when you run git status 02:59 eythian I did it earlier today 02:59 eythian definitely git reset HEAD <file> 02:58 dcook Neat. Good trick to know. 02:58 bgkriegel yep, you need --hard 02:58 dcook If you're really worried 02:58 dcook mtompset: git stash save 02:58 mtompset I am so putting a git diff somewhere, so I can redo everything, if something goes bad. 02:58 dcook bgkriegel: Wouldn't reset also undo the changes to the working directory, or do you need a --hard flag for that? 02:57 dcook Yeah, your HEAD will be the last commit 02:57 eythian there is only ever one HEAD 02:56 mtompset but how do I know what heads are available? 02:56 bgkriegel mtompset: git reset HEAD <file> 02:56 dcook She really wants to include RDA fields into her authority cataloguing, so I'll see what she comes up with :) 02:56 bgkriegel Ok, thanks 02:56 dcook That said...I'll give this URL to the librarian I mentioned before 02:56 bigbrovar_ Bonjour 02:56 dcook I could probably give you a rough idea, but I don't have too much time to focus on it at the moment. 02:55 * dcook should probably start doing that as well 02:55 dcook jcamins might also have insight, as I know he follows cataloguing listservs 02:55 dcook Alas, I haven't catalogued myself since late 2011 02:55 dcook bgkriegel: I imagine it might be best to consult librarians who catalogue authorities 02:53 dcook git checkout --, I believe 02:53 mtompset How do you un-"git add"? 02:51 dcook bgkriegel++ 02:50 dcook Mm, right 02:50 bgkriegel or excluded 02:50 bgkriegel yes 02:50 dcook And now you're looking for input on which new tags should be included in which framework? 02:50 dcook That's great :) 02:49 bgkriegel yes, that's the idea 02:49 mtompset Yes, a whole bunch of cardnumbers for katipo format may have incorrect checksum digits. 02:49 dcook bgkriegel: Ok, so 10488 adds Update No. 16 to the default framework, then seeks to create the other frameworks based on that one 02:48 eythian that a loop variable needs a -1 suggests another problem may exist. 02:48 mtompset The secondary bug is a lack of -1 on a loop variable. 02:47 cjh mtompset: you arent, you are fixing them :p 02:47 mtompset fine. fine. i suppose I could do that too. I just don't like creating more bugs. 02:47 bgkriegel nope, thay's has all up to september 2012, this has new tags from april 2013 02:47 dcook Obsolete, new, plus those we already had? 02:46 cjh mtompset: split it off into a different bug :p 02:46 dcook So the default (9826) has everything? 02:46 bgkriegel 10488 02:46 mtompset When you fix a piece of code by completely re-writing a function, and then you find a tiny bug related to an algorithm in another function and you fix that, but it isn't related to what you initially said "duplicate card numbers"... how would you phrase your fix title so it doesn't look like scope creep? 02:46 dcook In 9826 or 10488? 02:45 dcook O_o 02:45 bgkriegel in the patch I put all in, except for obsolete ones 02:45 dcook I suppose some like gender/address would only be relevant for people 02:44 dcook I had a librarian recently asking for some help updating her authority frameworks, but I wasn't sure which new fields should go where 02:44 bgkriegel but there are new tags, from last update 02:44 dcook Alas, I'm not sure if I can be much help :/ 02:44 dcook Very cool 02:44 bgkriegel yep 02:43 dcook We need to decide whether blue should be white (not included) or orange (included) 02:43 dcook Orange, green, and white 02:43 dcook Wait, sorry, 02:43 dcook So you want to eventually have a list where you just have orange and green? 02:42 dcook Mmm, right 02:42 bgkriegel all are tgs not present on current authtypes 02:42 mtompset So worse comes to worse... no biggie. :) 02:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, NEW , Lack of critical section could generate duplicate card numbers 02:41 mtompset Thankfully, it's on my bug 10454 02:41 dcook bgkriegel: What do the white squares represent? 02:41 dcook mtompset: Eeep! 02:41 mtompset I'm about to use git-bz for the first time in quite a while. Let's see what utter destruction I create. :) 02:41 bgkriegel ok, thanks 02:40 bgkriegel hi mtompset 02:40 mtompset Greetings, dcook bgkriegel. 02:40 dcook I'm going to take a look at the pdf now.. 02:40 dcook hey ya mtompset 02:40 dcook Much easier :) 02:40 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:40 bgkriegel easier to maintain :) 02:39 dcook bgkriegel: Nice work :). I like the idea of using the default framework as a base and then copying over only the relevant tags (or not copying over irrelevant ones) 02:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-default frameworks 02:33 bgkriegel Hi, could you take a look at bug 10488? 02:33 dcook What's up, bgkriegel? 02:33 dcook Hmm, if wahanui says it, it must be true 02:32 wahanui it has been said that dcook is currently out of line. 02:32 bgkriegel dcook? 02:26 dcook ;) 02:25 eythian it'll never catch on 02:25 dcook Cynicism ftw 02:24 ibeardslee yep 02:24 eythian such a cynic 02:23 ibeardslee that wasn't so much of a chat as an advertising speel 02:18 sunspot Okay guys, well thanks for the chat, if anyone's interested in a free 30suns account shoot me an email at alex.hunter@30suns.com and I'll hook you up 02:09 dcook I would protest if it weren't true. 02:08 sunspot hehe 02:08 wizzyrea MAD. 02:07 eythian they are mad for reports 02:07 eythian Oh, they do. 02:07 wizzyrea you have no idea. 02:07 sunspot seems like libraries are our natural allies, we have imagined that they must like to keep track of things :) 02:06 sunspot but monitoring is on the roadmap :) 02:06 eythian ah right 02:06 sunspot eythian: it's not really monitoring per se, just reporting 02:06 eythian I have a couple of nagios plugins that look into the various parts of a koha system 02:05 sunspot well if anyone's interested and reads this, shoot me an email at alex.hunter@30suns.com 02:05 eythian this said, integrating monitoring with Koha probably wouldn't require anything custom 02:05 sunspot oh dear :) 02:04 eythian So it might require a few goes :) 02:04 eythian well, some are in Europe, some are in the US. 02:03 sunspot eythian: gotcha, so maybe I'll try again tomorrow :) 02:03 eythian not sure if any/many of them would be online at this time of day 02:02 eythian that'd have to be up to the folks who run those services I guess. 02:02 sunspot like maybe the koha project could have 30suns.com/koha/ for all the project's services? 02:01 sunspot who offer to write plugins or integration points 02:01 sunspot anyway, so we're handing out free accounts to developers of various open source projects like wordpress and the like 02:01 eythian yeah, and a billion slightly different requirements to account for 02:00 sunspot 'flexible' :) 02:00 sunspot eythian: :) 02:00 eythian _a_ settings page? we must have hundreds :) 01:59 sunspot we want it to be super easy for end users 01:59 sunspot if you have a settings page in koha that stores settings, you could let the user put their username there and it would automatically generate the status page 01:58 sunspot does that make sense? 01:58 sunspot so first point of integration would be to have a page like kohaserver/status/ that makes it easy for users to embed their dashboard 01:57 sunspot minimalist for putting inside an iframe 01:57 sunspot we have an embedded version of the dashboard, e.g., http://30suns.com/amazonaws/embed/ 01:56 sunspot so I would image the library system would be one (or more?) of those services 01:55 sunspot e.g, http://30suns.com/amazonaws/ 01:55 sunspot 30suns lets organizations publish incident reports to a service health dashboard 01:54 wizzyrea what kind of things did you have in mind 01:53 eythian pretty much anything you like can be exposed one way or another 01:52 eythian oh cool 01:52 sunspot I'm alex from 30suns.com I'm hoping to get some guidence on how to get intgration hooked up for libraries that want to publish on our status dashboard 01:51 sunspot cool! thanks rangi 01:50 rangi yes 01:50 sunspot is this the channel for the koha library system? 01:07 dcook Well, perhaps not, if I realize my mistake... 01:07 dcook Ahh...I'm an idiot 01:01 dcook Station? 01:01 jcamins So long. 01:01 jcamins Yay! Just about to get into the station. 01:01 jcamins Hehe. 01:01 wahanui checks this is still #koha, right not #thunderdome ? 01:01 * dcook checks this 01:01 dcook You have no funds with authorized values set up? 01:01 dcook If... 01:01 dcook I think they do 01:01 jcamins Oh, I thought they used to default to free text if you hadn't selected an authorized value category. 01:00 dcook They just have optionless select menus...also not good 01:00 dcook Mmm, apparently they don't have free text input 00:59 dcook Plus, you can't connect them to certain authorized values, which makes me wonder.. 00:59 dcook Mmm, they should probably be free text by default (that is before you choose a fund) 00:59 jcamins But what does not working look like? 00:59 dcook Which...is kind of cool I guess 00:58 jcamins Right. 00:58 dcook Then, if you change funds...you can get different values for those Statistic fields 00:58 dcook If you're creating a basket, you'll get drop-downs for the authorized values that you defined in the first fund available 00:58 dcook As in... 00:58 dcook If you link them to an authorized value, they seem to sort of work 00:58 jcamins They don't do anything either way, to my knowledge. 00:57 jcamins Ah. I'm pretty sure they are, unless you link them to an authorized value. 00:57 dcook Mind you...they do seem a bit broken still.. 00:57 dcook Well, I thought they were just blank input fields 00:57 dcook Although for some reason you can't point to ASort1 or Asort2... 00:57 jcamins Depends what you mean by "working"? 00:57 dcook But apparently you can link those fields with an authorized value list via a Fund 00:57 dcook I thought that Statistic 1 and Statistic 2 weren't working in Acquisitions 00:56 dcook I'm not sure in this case 00:56 jcamins Usually bad, I think. 00:56 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:56 dcook Interesting... 00:48 dcook Apparently I have already filed the bug for the current issue. I just forget to go back and work on it...oy.. 00:48 dcook Aha! 00:47 * dcook checks the time. Only 10:47am. 00:47 dcook Beer goggles? 00:47 jcamins In which case that's a pretty egregious series of typos. 00:47 dcook Hmm 00:47 dcook In which case, it would've been right.. 00:47 dcook Unless I DID mean English short essay 00:47 dcook Well, except there I guess 00:47 jcamins lol 00:47 dcook nevar! 00:46 dcook Google thinks "Enzshchy dshlu ershy" is "English short essay" 00:46 Brooke teh Google is always right, nevar wrong 00:46 dcook Google said it was "Typos like this" :o 00:46 dcook There I go doubling up words 00:46 jcamins That's what happens if you switch to Cyrillic and type "Typos like this?" 00:46 dcook Whoa... 00:46 dcook jcamins: I guess so, jcamins :p 00:46 jcamins Heh. Enzshchy dshlu ershy. 00:45 jcamins Ензщы дшлу ершы, 00:45 dcook But when you use the same word over and over again in a sentence when you were supposed to use many different words... 00:45 dcook Little typos are usually easy to understand 00:45 * dcook dislikes typos 00:34 dcook hehe 00:33 Brooke Metal 00:33 Brooke Shiny 00:33 Brooke My 00:33 Brooke Bite 00:32 dcook I'm sure there's a Bender quote that applies to the situation 00:32 Brooke redundancy is correlated to alcohol intake ;) 00:31 jcamins dcook: "socialization" and "drinking." 00:31 dcook jcamins: Hmmm? 00:30 jcamins dcook: I guess that was a bit redundant, eh? 00:30 dcook I'm sure the owner got several million dollars for the lot alone 00:30 dcook So the 350 a month place...demolished shortly after I moved to Australia 00:30 Brooke Peter Dunne? 00:30 dcook Emmm...yes 00:30 dcook Socializing and drinking! 00:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. Quote #261 added. 00:30 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:29 Brooke not trustworthy! Tsc. 00:29 dcook :o 00:29 huginn rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 00:29 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:29 rangi @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:29 dcook Right, that's why it doesn't work 00:29 huginn dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 00:29 dcook @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:29 dcook Wait.. 00:29 jcamins You missed the "add" after @quote. 00:29 Brooke is it add quote mebbe 00:28 dcook Oh well 00:28 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 00:28 dcook @quote <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:28 * dcook tries to remember... 00:28 dcook Good question. 00:27 jcamins *in interesting 00:27 Brooke how is that not a quote? 00:27 jcamins :P 00:27 jcamins The fact that you're interesting places just makes the liquor more fun. 00:27 dcook Socialization and drinking! 00:27 Brooke :D 00:27 jcamins I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. 00:27 dcook In a very upscale part of Vancouver 00:27 dcook Actually, I split that with my partner of the time so it was 175 a month.. 00:27 Brooke sweet as 00:27 dcook That's when I had a place for 350 a month in Vancouver 00:27 * Brooke nods. 00:26 dcook The landlord just yelled at me and told me to fill out my census papers 00:26 dcook But I didn't actually experience them 00:26 dcook Last time, I think I might've gotten some house visits 00:26 dcook Mmm cookies... 00:26 dcook hehe 00:26 * Brooke gives dcook a cookie. 00:26 Brooke ha! 00:26 dcook Yep 00:26 wahanui i am a little bit creepy. 00:26 dcook Wahanui... 00:25 wahanui i think maybe is a momentaneous error 00:25 dcook Hmm, maybe? 00:24 Brooke perhaps I take too damn long to return em 00:24 Brooke I fill them out and I always seem to get the house visit anyway 00:24 dcook Glad to hear it 00:24 Brooke last time's census taker was FAR more respectful. 00:24 dcook While I value census data, I hate filling out census surveys.. 00:24 dcook lol 00:23 Brooke that was the year I had to argue that I was native with the census taker, as well as that yes virginia, there really were like 8 computers. Come and count them. 00:23 dcook It was...habitable and near the uni. 00:23 dcook My first apartment with...5 other guys was 263 a month 00:23 Brooke yes per month 00:23 dcook hehe 00:23 Brooke but it was really nice inside 00:23 Brooke two floors in the ghetto near a meat packing plant 00:23 wahanui the month is more than enough time. 00:23 dcook The month? 00:23 dcook For...? 00:22 Brooke at one point I lived with like 7 blokes and rent was like $150 00:22 dcook And several weeks near the end of uni (with a very nice apartment in the downtown of a small city) 00:22 dcook Well over 1 month of rent through my first few years of uni 00:22 dcook Mind you, on the walk to work this morning, I realized that I pay more in rent for 1 week than I paid for... 00:21 * dcook thinks American minimum wage is less than half of Australia's 00:21 Brooke roughly 00:21 dcook Half? 00:21 dcook I think I can...give cataloguing advice, tutor French, and type things up really quickly? 00:21 Brooke why not, our minimum wage is half yours ;P 00:21 dcook It sometimes works 00:21 ibeardslee going for the sympathy handouts? 00:21 dcook I suppose I've wondered a bit if '14 will be too close to '13... 00:20 Brooke v poorly 00:20 dcook At least you can busk 00:20 * Brooke saves busking for truly dire straits. 00:20 dcook I'm missing...Africa, South America, Asia, and Antarctica :p 00:20 Brooke 12 was too close to 11 for me to get there without begging on the streets. 00:20 dcook I would've loved to see it again though 00:20 dcook Although I had already been to Edinburgh 00:19 dcook I still kick myself for missing '12 00:19 * Brooke is missing Africa and South America 00:19 dcook Well, '13 will be my first 00:19 dcook hehe 00:19 Brooke What?! You don't know that the whole point of KohaCon is to secretly see the world a bit at a time? ;) 00:19 dcook I'll keep that in mind :) 00:19 Brooke well, if you ever are in the neighbourhood, write me :) 00:19 dcook Or actually any of the places on the list.. 00:18 dcook Or Argentina :p 00:18 * dcook has never been to DC 00:18 dcook I think that was fairly high on my list as well 00:17 Brooke DC 00:17 dcook Brooke: Who were you? 00:16 ibeardslee must start planning 00:16 Brooke I think I voted for it third. Mebbe second. Can't remember what I order or if I voted for meself. 00:15 dcook I think Argentina was the top of my list for the 2013 voting.. 00:15 * dcook is unsure of the gender of 'bots 00:15 dcook Or rather it... 00:15 dcook Brooke: He always gets me back... 00:15 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, dcook 00:15 dcook Awesome! 00:14 Brooke Indeed 00:13 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals <- woot 00:04 Brooke boats even 00:04 Brooke us use em for boas 00:04 ibeardslee oarΣ 00:02 Brooke go sit in the corner and think about what you did. 00:02 Brooke tsc 00:02 dcook He started it? 00:01 Brooke that's cruel and unusual bot punishment 00:00 dcook Sorry. I was teasing wahanui. I'm around forever... 00:00 dcook hehe 00:00 Brooke see ya 00:00 wahanui Don't go, dcook. Stay a while. Stay forever. 00:00 dcook good night. 00:00 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, dcook. 00:00 dcook good night. 00:00 dcook \o