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23:59 Brooke o/
23:57 wizzyrea lol
23:45 wahanui okay, eythian.
23:45 eythian wahanui: good night is also <reply>Don't go, $who. Stay a while. Stay forever.
23:38 wizzyrea i know
23:38 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, wizzyrea.
23:37 wizzyrea good night.
23:33 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait.
23:33 cait Good night
23:33 cait :)
23:33 cait creepy eh?
23:29 pianohacker jaysis _christ_
23:28 wahanui I watch you sleep.
23:28 pianohacker Good night
22:33 wizzyrea it's...unpleasant
22:31 eythian I think the low was about 30 :/
22:31 eythian yeah, I stayed at a friend's place in Canberra like that once.
22:31 * ibeardslee has done
22:30 wizzyrea you haven't lived until you've slept in a house with no AC with the low for the night at 25. Probably you'll end up not sleeping.
22:30 * eythian has trouble sleeping when it's too warm
22:29 ibeardslee really? that warm?
22:29 eythian preferable to that though I suppose
22:29 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising).
22:29 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:29 eythian that's far too warm for that time of day
22:29 wahanui hello cait are you here?
22:29 eythian hello cait
22:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4°C (12:25 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:28 cait hi eythian
22:19 eythian hi
21:18 drojf good night #koha
20:43 drojf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNJK1jICUAA_Mn2.jpg:large :D
20:40 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period)
20:40 mtompset Well, I'm off. Thanks for the feedback guys.
20:40 * mtompset smirks, "Jesus never wore a tie."
20:29 cait sorry, slow reader tonight...
20:28 cait ;)
20:28 * cait has never worn a tie either
20:28 cait pianohacker: aaah, i understand :)
20:27 pianohacker "Well yah my tie may be ugly but she can hold up in the fiercest storm I tell you what"
20:26 gmcharlt *cravat
20:26 gmcharlt if one is using a sailor's knot for one's cravet, one is almost certainly making a mistake! ;)
20:24 pianohacker cait: That's for people who enjoy tying functional knots under pressure, not pretty knots with all the time in the world :)
20:20 drojf i enjoy #koha tie talk though. no idea why. :)
20:20 drojf i think i have never worn a tie and i don't intend to do so
20:12 cait hm thought sailing was for those :)
20:09 pianohacker ties <- the classy way for people who enjoy tying nots to have fun :)
19:56 cait too bad
19:54 jcamins cait: that was the one I wanted to do before I settled on the one I did. The problem is it requires a wider tie.
19:53 cait that was for jcamins of course
19:53 cait http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=gUVBQ00iwTI < has a cape - looks right for someone with superlibrairan permissions :)
19:52 * rangi has to take kids to school soon
19:51 rangi but yeah more slaves would be good, and more mechanize tests :)
19:51 rangi was quite useful
19:51 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_install/lastCompletedBuild/console
19:50 rangi that used to run on workbuffer.org (my machine)
19:49 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_install/
19:49 rangi and then another doing in install, and running mechanize tests
19:49 rangi i had one that was buidling the packages
19:48 rangi good plan
19:48 gmcharlt rangi: cool -- what I have in mind is one that uses MariaDB 5.5
19:47 rangi gmcharlt: i just need an passphrase less ssh key
19:47 pianohacker ah. okay. you're a bond villain. nooooow we're on the same page
19:47 rangi gmcharlt: trivially easy, i used to have my machine here as a slave
19:46 jcamins Nope. I can't stand dogs.
19:46 jcamins lol
19:46 pianohacker If you have a stoner friend with a great dane, I swear to god
19:46 jcamins But I live in New York, so "dressing goofily" is nearly impossible, in comparison.
19:46 jcamins Though if I manage _impressive_ goofiness, that'd work too.
19:45 * jcamins likes to think he pulls off unusual neckware with panache and style.
19:44 jcamins This is the knot I just tied: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z5sWQNWzsCk
19:44 mtompset Next, we'll be calling you Fred, jcamins. :P
19:44 jcamins :D
19:43 jcamins Orrr... wear my ascot!
19:43 jcamins If I'm going to keep my reputation for unusual neckwear, I need to step it up.
19:43 pianohacker what are you going for, then?
19:43 pianohacker hahahahaha oh man
19:43 jcamins I wear an Eldredge or Trinity every day.
19:43 jcamins Because it's too normal.
19:43 pianohacker heh. because of showy complication, or... ?
19:42 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, that's one of the ties I'm trying to get away from.
19:42 jcamins I found a tie that worked.
19:42 pianohacker jcamins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YznKoRMq04
19:39 cait hours?
19:39 cait can we have 10?
19:38 drojf fake tie video performer ties? that's outrageous!
19:38 jcamins Okay, none of these knots work at all with regular ties. I don't believe that those are regular ties he has.
19:31 jcamins Noooo! An error occurred when I tried to watch a video of a new tie knot!
19:30 gmcharlt rangi: how difficult would it be to add jenkins slaves?
19:29 pianohacker oh lordy please
19:28 gmcharlt what, haven't I pushed the patch for b ug 666666666: grant one more hour per day to each Koha contributor ?
19:26 cait maybe tomorrow
19:25 cait as always
19:25 cait yeah, just a time problem on my side
19:25 gmcharlt cait: an easy one to fix, forutnately
19:20 cait so it's a blocker right now
19:19 cait gmcharlt: i will try to work out a patch - it's rather annoying for us... our libraries have kind of standardized on 4.50
19:19 cait gmcharlt: thx!
19:15 gmcharlt cait: comment added to your bug
19:15 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks
19:12 chris_n gmcharlt: comment posted
19:08 drojf thanks
19:08 drojf ah yes that makes sense
19:07 gmcharlt e.g., the contrib/global repository
19:07 gmcharlt drojf: yeah, my inclination would be more storing them in Git repos on git.k-c.org
19:06 cait might be easier to deal with
19:06 cait hm maybe it could be a branch even?
19:06 drojf gmcharlt: would it make sense to have patches on the bugtracker that are not supposed to go into koha (because they are not generic enough), but might be useful for some users? eg. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_and_old_books describes the use of MARC 901 + 902 specific to a part of switzerland. if they had a patch for that, could that be in bugzilla so others can find it?
19:05 cait very nice :)
19:01 gmcharlt cait: and quite possibly Percona, too
19:00 cait gmcharlt: nice - so it looks like mariadb could be an easy switch?
18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded)
18:59 cait bug 10490
18:59 cait i have filed a bug about finescap - could someone take a quick look at the sql i posted there maybe?
18:58 cait oooh as we are talking database
18:58 * cait checks
18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5366 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha does not work right with MariaDB
18:57 gmcharlt cait: chris_n: I'd like to call your attention to the comment I just added to bug 5366
18:41 libsysguy yeah,I'm back and fourth on meetings
18:41 cait libsysguy is missing us again.. :)
18:33 chris_n pianohacker: LOL
18:14 pianohacker aka, trying to change circulation behavior
18:14 pianohacker http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/53347746119/the-effects-of-tight-coupling
18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7110 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Renewal messages still displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled.
18:12 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled
18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1264: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1264/
17:52 pianohacker sorry you're involved in that.
17:52 pianohacker I love when technology discussions involve legally dangerous territory, truly I do :)
17:51 mtompset Anyways... that's the type of conversations I'm in the midst of right now.
17:50 mtompset ^than^that^
17:49 mtompset members of the corporation should.
17:49 mtompset partners should not see hidden materials.
17:48 drojf s/if/of
17:48 mtompset I have an Identification Provider than knows if P2 is a partner or if P2 is part of the corporation.
17:48 drojf not the answer anyone is searching for, but if people are able to access the online catalog, i would provide them with a copy of a tor enabled operating system and a hidden service with scans if these books
17:47 mtompset Okay, this is where the SAML stuff I'm working on comes it.
17:47 pianohacker but at some point you're facing a really sharp accessibility-versus-danger curve
17:47 pianohacker The internal OPAC could have anonymous access disabled and passwords given to certain people
17:46 mtompset But P2 is in country X2 and not country X.
17:46 mtompset Country X2 has a language similar to Country X. And said materials would be useful for person P2 to know about.
17:45 jcamins [off] And to be clear, that wasn't hypothetical. What we did in that situation was not catalog the books, and lock it in a cabinet where only one person had the key.
17:45 mtompset Okay, but then let's complicate the scenario.
17:44 pianohacker yes
17:44 gmcharlt or create a second catalog -- it's easier to secure an entirely separate Koha installation than to secure a mixed database
17:44 jcamins This is a separate issue from the branch access issue that you were asking about before, though.
17:44 pianohacker Or separate internal Koha install
17:43 pianohacker no shit
17:43 jcamins mtompset: yes, and you know how we deal with that when they're walking around the campus with AK-47s? We don't put the book in the catalog.
17:43 pianohacker .... O_o
17:43 mtompset Now generally, local officials don't care about libraries, but if religion Y hater P finds out that there is such items in Library A. Library A could find itself burned down, staff killed, etc. etc. (super worst case scenario)
17:41 mtompset Library A is in country X and has items in their catalogue related to religion Y.
17:41 mtompset Country X hates religion Y.
17:40 jcamins [off] I know people who were on a mission with mtompset's employers. It's true, that there's a security problem. But no amount of technology is going to make it safe.
17:40 mtompset Let's use a completely hypothetical situation.
17:39 * drojf and the nsa listen in
17:39 drojf you are cataloguing secret things?
17:39 pianohacker mtompset: What on earth kind of library are you working with?
17:39 cait um.
17:39 mtompset cait: It isn't a matter of wanting their own things. It's a matter of certain items in certain countries could have serious negative impacts, and only trusted sources should know.
17:39 cait must be a lie. can't trust it and go outside.
17:39 cait hm
17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Germany is 29.4°C (7:37 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
17:38 cait @wunder Singen
17:38 cait that's a lie!
17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (7:35 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
17:38 cait meh.
17:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:38 drojf meh
17:38 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.8°C (7:13 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
17:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
17:38 drojf hi #koha
17:38 mtompset jcamins: I understand why you say don't use technology to solve a policy problem.
17:37 pianohacker jcamins: Heh, yeah, have used that often. bit of a gamble but sometimes works
17:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
17:37 mtompset Hmmm... bug 9055 looks like it has potential.
17:37 cait mtompset: maybe if they want all their own things they shouldn't be in one koha installation together?
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10495 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t can fail unnecessarily
17:36 gmcharlt bug 10495
17:35 jcamins pianohacker: one technique for doing that is coming back and saying "it can't be done, what about changing the policy to not be mental?"
17:33 pianohacker Step 1: Convince the librarian that it's a policy problem
17:33 jcamins Actually, that last is my preferred solution.
17:33 jcamins Or don't try to use technology to solve a policy problem.
17:32 mtompset Right... no leaking books.
17:32 pianohacker Plus doing in JS would screw up the pagination a bit
17:32 pianohacker mtompset: Oh, the data of the books themselves. Hmm
17:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
17:31 jcamins mtompset: I still think you should find a way to make bug 9055 work for you, assuming the code is good.
17:31 pianohacker mtompset: leaking to who?
17:31 pianohacker plus you can fine-tune your selector right there
17:31 pianohacker quick debugging tip: you can paste the first part of that ( $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to your account')") ) into the Web Console in the Firefox developer tools, and the length: property will tell you if it matched any elements
17:31 mtompset And that sort of defeats the purpose. You don't want data leaking.
17:30 nengard yup
17:30 mtompset The problem with doing it in JavaScript, pianohacker, would be that the dataset would still be passed, as far as I know.
17:30 pianohacker nengard: Yeah, capitalization. Change "Your Account" to "your account"
17:29 mtompset cait: That's a good thing!
17:29 cait probably jsut being a bit careful :)
17:29 nengard :)
17:29 pianohacker nengard: one sec, testing
17:29 nengard was gonna say, i know it's not that hard to do what i want
17:29 pianohacker cait: It would only be exposed to logged in users
17:29 nengard whew
17:29 mtompset probably, nengard. :)
17:28 nengard pianohacker that was to mtopset not me right? (the jquery comment)
17:28 cait pianohacker: hm wonder about the privacy of doing this
17:28 jcamins mtompset: depends how you did it.
17:28 pianohacker mtompset: A small patch to expose certain patron attributes as a small JavaScript object on the OPAC would be useful
17:28 mtompset would a patch that did that likely make it into the code base?
17:27 jcamins mtompset: there is not with the current code.
17:27 pianohacker oy. that'd be even harder, and I don't know if you can do that in jQuery
17:26 mtompset I'm just trying to figure out if there is the possibility of hiding items from an OPAC search from one category of patron, but not another.
17:26 nengard $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("Log in to your library account");
17:26 nengard jquery help :) I want to rename the log in box ... and I'm missing something (maybe capitalization again):
17:25 cait yeah it would be certainly easier
17:24 magnuse cait: working from home sounds like a good idea, then, if you can
17:24 pianohacker If you're trying to avoid mucking with the code, I'd recommend jQuery hackery
17:24 cait mtompset: you can use everything that is in the items table tho
17:24 pianohacker mtompset: To my knowledge it can only make that decision based on the contents of the record
17:24 cait mtompset: no
17:24 pianohacker answered confusing questions about it? Yes. Used it? Lord no
17:23 mtompset Is there a way to hide items based on the user logged in?
17:22 mtompset Has anybody here used OpacHiddenItems?
17:22 mtompset Greetings, cait magnuse.
17:22 cait my apartment is nice, so I fled and went home early
17:21 cait and it's super hot at work :(
17:21 cait that's most of the problem i guess
17:21 cait very suddenly so
17:21 cait it's quite hot yeah
17:21 magnuse cait: that's not normal, right?
17:20 magnuse wow, at 7 in the evening, even
17:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 31.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
17:19 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:19 cait gmcharlt++
17:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:16 jcamins Yay!
17:16 gmcharlt OK, that gives me what I need to write a patch
17:14 gmcharlt must be assuming that the starting state is AutomaticItemReturn off
17:14 gmcharlt ah
17:13 gmcharlt found a clue -- passes if you turn off AutomaticItemReturn
17:10 gmcharlt agreed, it's smelling like a data-dependent issue
17:10 jcamins I think that must be data, because that's under Squeeze with all the Squeeze versions of packages.
17:09 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, same two tests are failing for me
17:09 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Failures on 5.1 instance" (128 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/74
17:06 jcamins Hm. Test failures here too.
17:06 cait jcamins: i know that problem
17:05 jcamins I no longer remember how I stood using Koha in this VM.
17:05 jcamins I have been terribly spoiled by my development server.
17:05 gmcharlt pianohacker: thanks for checking
17:04 gmcharlt jcamins: that would be great
17:04 jcamins gmcharlt: if you want it tested on 5.1, I can do that.
17:03 pianohacker apologies :/
17:03 pianohacker Hmm, on the mysql 5.1 machine I have access to, I don't have access to create a new DB
17:02 gmcharlt if it works for you, I can send you a dump of my current test database
17:02 gmcharlt pianohacker: actually, 5.1 if you could
17:02 pianohacker gmcharlt: Would you like me to test in MySQL 5.5?
17:01 jcamins Hrm. So much for that theory.
17:00 gmcharlt still failing for me after removing my 'abc' branch
17:00 gmcharlt hmm
16:59 jcamins Okay, well, I think it's because of the lower case.
16:59 jcamins Hm. I can't chang ethe code.
16:58 gmcharlt sounds like the MySQL version is a red herring
16:58 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, I've got a similar situation where my DB has an 'abc' library
16:58 jcamins I suspect it's because dfa is lower case.
16:58 jcamins gmcharlt: take from lowest cost branch (don't use cost matrix) holding branch
16:57 gmcharlt jcamins: which tests are failing?
16:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1264 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:57 gmcharlt so form#searchform { background: COLOR; } should suffice to override it
16:57 nengard oh!
16:56 gmcharlt nengard: looks like bg-search-bar.png is being used to provide the color, by default, rather than plain CSS
16:56 jcamins I mean, on my system.
16:55 jcamins Actually, I see why it is failing, and I bet I can fix it.
16:54 jcamins gmcharlt: I think it used to pass on my system as well.
16:54 gmcharlt jcamins: it passes on jenkins, which runs MySQL 5.1
16:53 jcamins gmcharlt: however, I'm pretty sure it used to pass.
16:53 gmcharlt nengard: I find Chrome/Chromium's developer tools very hand for track this sort of thing down
16:53 nengard that's what i thought it was ...
16:53 nengard gmcharlt when i change that it changes only the bottom of the gray
16:53 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "HoldsQueue.t under MariaDB 5.5" (42 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73
16:53 gmcharlt nengard: form#searchform, around line 135 of the CCSR colors.css
16:52 jcamins It fails.
16:52 jcamins gmcharlt: checking now.
16:52 wahanui i think pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper.
16:52 libsysguy heya pianohacker
16:51 pianohacker uh, hi libsysguy :)
16:51 gmcharlt if anybody has Koha master running on MySQL 5.5 or MariaDB 5.5, I'd be curious to know if t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t is passing for you; ditto if you're running master on MySQL 5.1
16:51 nengard i tried firebug but i can't find it
16:51 nengard I'm wondering what code controls the color of the gray around the search box in ccsr
16:51 nengard anyone around who knows style stuff?
16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29edd3797a7c950664ebc3be272ad4dca2575a80>
16:47 datadoctor http://pastebin.com/eDz5USKB
16:47 datadoctor I reformulated the messaging.pl and messaging.tt as a patch.
16:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9307 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management.
16:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks
16:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9307: QA Followup
16:42 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management.
16:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1263: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1263/
16:30 * jcamins will let you fix the problem now. ;)
16:30 jcamins Oh.
16:30 vfernandes the error is in bibliographic records...
16:30 jcamins The authid should be in 001.
16:30 jcamins Or, if the error is on authorities, your authids ended up somewhere weird.
16:29 vfernandes yes I know
16:24 jcamins You are missing bib numbers.
16:24 vfernandes [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) -> field 999 missing :/
16:23 vfernandes this is killing me... LOL
16:23 vfernandes now I have a error indexing records :D
16:22 jcamins vfernandes: yay!
16:22 vfernandes changing 942$b to 942$a solve the problem
16:21 vfernandes jcamins
15:53 datadoctor thanks that makes sense. I will try to document a patch....
15:51 jcamins Right. Usually you'd add it with a patch.
15:48 datadoctor Has to be done manually
15:48 datadoctor For example, adding a HOLDS_SMS to the message_transports table.
15:47 datadoctor My understanding is that the "letter code" is hard-coded, so it does not allow sms notifications to be added through the koha staff interface - they must be added to the database directly.
15:44 datadoctor Together these read out your messaging preferences in detail.
15:44 datadoctor And http://pastebin.com/RxDDBQAh
15:43 datadoctor Posting messaging perl script and output template: http://pastebin.com/knaAJp9y
15:37 reiveune bye
15:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bdd1fde914157f0726d16a99853e2779e475423> / Bug 9307: QA Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2b49e1e288ab5155c2c369da91b9d9332261976> / Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=490688ea53
15:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1263 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:23 datadoctor Yes, it's a custom tool to read the messaging preferences.
15:23 datadoctor Oops- I am realizing that link won't get one into the staff side
15:23 jcamins datadoctor: custom script?
15:22 jcamins jwagner: I'm going to need it.
15:22 datadoctor We currently use this tool to display our messaging preferences: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/test/messaging.pl
15:21 jwagner good luck :-)
15:21 jcamins So I'm making a list.
15:21 jcamins Some states maintain their own registry, apparently. Massachusetts has a state-wide registry and gets assignments from the national registry. Georgia PINES does not use the national registry at all.
15:19 jcamins Thanks. That's the one I've been using.
15:19 jwagner [off] Send requests to Peg Hoyt: peg.hoyt@infor.com -- 508-598-4063.
15:19 jwagner I think that's it.
15:19 jcamins The one maintained by Infor, right? Or is there another one, too?
15:18 jwagner We just send our sites to the National Barcode Registry
15:18 jcamins jwagner: I'm trying to make a list of states that have their own registries instead of or on top of the Infor national registry.
15:17 jwagner jcamins, there is a barcode registry, but I don't think it's by state. What are you looking for?
15:12 datadoctor jcamins: I am not aware of any Ohio barcode prefixes. We don't use a custom prefix.
15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension
15:09 wahanui bug 9296 is, like, mine but that's less radical
15:09 jcamins And bug 9296
15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 9021
15:08 jcamins No, definitely not that one.
15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3367 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Overdue Rules not processed for patrons with checkouts more than 90 days overdue.
15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 3367
15:06 jcamins datadoctor: hey, you don't happen to know whether there is any sort of barcode prefix registry in Ohio, do you? Or who I'd contact to ask if there were?
15:05 jcamins datadoctor: I think there's a patch that improves the way notices work.
15:01 datadoctor Working on text messaging our notifications. Hard-coded options make it difficult to configure notification settings. Defining Tools>Notices & Slips to SMS hold notices requires hard-coding a HOLD_SMS category. Options like texting a checkout confirmation appear to be impossible.
14:29 Oak hey kf :)
14:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (4:25 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:29 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:29 kf hi Oak
14:26 magnuse :-)
14:25 Oak :)
14:25 Oak magnuse
14:25 magnuse Oak
14:21 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (7:00 PM PKT on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising).
14:21 Oak @wunder islamabad
14:20 kf it feels hotter
14:19 magnuse kf: barely above 30? pffft... ;-)
14:10 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.6°C (4:05 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:09 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:58 vfernandes i will try a new DB importing with 942 corrected
13:51 jcamins Ah.
13:50 vfernandes normally I use UNIMARC, but in this installation i'm using MARC21 and DOM configuration
13:50 jcamins It's been deprecated since 3.2.
13:50 jcamins You should never ever use GRS-1 for authorities with MARC21.
13:49 jcamins In that case, why are you using GRS-1?
13:49 jcamins Really? I thought you used UNIMARC.
13:49 vfernandes i'm using MARC21 :P
13:49 jcamins I don't use UNIMARC, and when I have, I've always found that the Zebra configuration is much more brittle.
13:49 vfernandes ok
13:49 jcamins vfernandes: you should definitely fix it. With luck, perhaps it will fix the problem.
13:48 vfernandes if the field isn't filled in any authorities could give the error
13:48 tcohen you shouldn't need that adjustment vfernandes, as lib is a symbolic link to lib64 on x64_64 setups
13:48 vfernandes authtype is mapped to that field
13:47 vfernandes melm 942$a authtype:w,authtype:p
13:47 jcamins That's definitely a problem, but it's unlikely to cause this error.
13:47 vfernandes could be this?
13:46 vfernandes the authority code is mapped to 942$b instead of 942$a
13:46 vfernandes I found one problem with my authorities
13:45 wahanui OK, tcohen.
13:45 tcohen wahanui: kohacon14 proposals is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals
13:44 vfernandes server : http://diana.lnec.pt
13:43 vfernandes only zebra-authorities-dom.cfg and zebra-biblios-dom.cfg : "modulePath: /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules" -> modulePath: /usr/lib64/idzebra-2.0/modules
13:41 tcohen and you didn't touch the zebradb files from that 3.10 setup, right?
13:41 tcohen that sounds good vfernandes
13:39 vfernandes after upgrading the database to 3.0 I've imported it to a system with koha 3.10
13:38 vfernandes yes... but I've never tested indexation and searching... I only followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
13:38 jcamins Very peculiar.
13:37 jcamins And the 3.0 upgrade was on a different system?
13:37 vfernandes 2.2.8 -> 3.0 -> 3.10
13:37 kf vfernandes: didn't you say 3.0?
13:36 vfernandes the database was imported from a 2.2.8 Koha
13:36 jcamins That's very weird. I've never seen that at all.
13:36 vfernandes yes
13:36 jcamins Entirely clean?
13:36 vfernandes this is a clean installation
13:35 jcamins In my experience, though, the problem always comes down to having configuration files from older versions.
13:35 jcamins Unfortunately troubleshooting this sort of problem isn't really simple.
13:34 vfernandes I don't even know where to look
13:34 jcamins Or Heading, I suppose.
13:33 jcamins The problem is authtype or Any.
13:33 jcamins Yes it does.
13:33 vfernandes so this @attr 7=1 0 doesn't look right
13:33 jcamins That's sorting.
13:32 vfernandes looking at authorities/etc/bib1.att there isn't a attr 7
13:29 vfernandes I don't know what to do
13:28 jcamins No.
13:28 vfernandes could be some field missing in the authorities?
13:27 vfernandes the problem this morning was that the configuration files had /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/lib64/
13:26 jcamins You may have stale configuration files.
13:26 kf what did you do to solve it?
13:26 kf probably same problem as this morning l
13:26 jcamins All your configuration files.
13:25 vfernandes update Zebra configuration? record.abs?
13:25 jcamins Update your Zebra configuration files, restart Zebra, and reindex.
13:25 vfernandes i'm using OPAC interface to searhc
13:25 vfernandes how to solve it?
13:24 jcamins Yeah, that's unsupported Use attribute.
13:24 vfernandes This is the error that I get
13:24 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr 1=Heading @attr 7=1 0 @and @attr 5=100 @attr 1=authtype AUTORES @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 1=Any a
13:23 jcamins As I recall, ERROR 114 is unsupported Use attribute.
13:19 tcohen thanks magnuse
13:17 vfernandes what that means?
13:17 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114
13:17 vfernandes but now when searching authorities I get this error
13:17 vfernandes I solve the problems with the indexation that I had this morning
13:16 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals
13:16 magnuse drojf++
13:15 * magnuse is way behind in reading the list
13:14 kf drofj sent an email about that a few days ago
13:14 kf tcohen: yes :)
13:13 magnuse it was a topic at the latest meeting, but i have not read the log yet...
13:12 tcohen are bids for kohacon14 open yet?
13:12 tcohen [off] i think i don't want to hear it
13:11 kf [off] hm flight was about 860euro from here I think
13:10 magnuse tcohen: wow, that was ~the lowest prices i found from oslo to cordoba!
13:09 tcohen for me its 1500 US$ to attend to Reno
13:09 jcamins 15 hours, surprisingly affordable.
13:07 kf tcohen: btw bgkriegel was great and fixed the problem :)
13:07 kf tcohen: of course you are :)
13:07 jcamins Yay!
13:07 magnuse from oslo
13:07 magnuse jcamins: yup
13:06 tcohen and we are awesome of course :-P
13:06 jcamins magnuse: to Argentina?
13:06 magnuse but prices are not that crazy it seems
13:06 magnuse heh ~36 hours travel time
13:04 magnuse sounds good to me!
13:03 kf maybe 401? :)
13:03 kf next year would be cool and then have kohacon in argentina!
13:03 kf ooh
13:01 magnuse 400 is not a bad age
12:58 magnuse yay!
12:57 tcohen so its a short working day for us
12:57 tcohen our university is turning 400 years today
12:57 tcohen hi kf
12:55 kf morning tcohen
12:43 tcohen morning
12:40 jcamins wtf is with the insistence that 001 is OCLC# in face of the incontrovertible fact that if it is, that is merely happenstance?
12:24 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.1°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
12:24 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:23 chris_n here too; lots of rain last evening
12:22 jcamins It's nice and cool today, bizarrely.
12:22 jcamins If I had bacon, I would try them right now.
12:22 chris_n recommended by a friend yesterday; I plan on trying them this weekend
12:22 kf oooooh
12:21 jcamins chris_n: oooooh.
12:21 chris_n jcamins: http://tinyurl.com/3mz4hub
10:37 kf your file permissions might be messed up
10:37 kf use the koha user
10:37 vfernandes ok thanks kf
10:37 kf hm you shouldn't sudo run zebra
10:37 vfernandes *i'm running
10:37 kf sorr,y have to eat lunch with the coworker now
10:37 vfernandes i'm everything with sudo
10:36 kf does the file have the right permission?
10:36 kf did you check the paths it gives you? is the file there?
10:36 vfernandes no
10:36 kf you didn't do a package installation, did you?
10:36 vfernandes maybe something is wrong with my zebra
10:36 vfernandes with GRS1 - No such record type: grs.marcxml.record
10:35 kf probably somewhere in misc
10:35 kf it's called something with remove
10:35 kf sorry, have to eat pizza now
10:35 vfernandes kf which is the scrip to remove items form MARC?
10:24 vfernandes I can try with grs1 indexing
10:24 kf sorry, you might have to ask someone else about that problem
10:24 kf hm ok
10:23 vfernandes clean install, database imported from other server
10:23 kf did you update or import your database into a newer installation?
10:22 kf so there has something changed there between 3.0 and later
10:22 kf and we formerly supported only dom indexing for authorities, not bilbiographic
10:22 kf what kind of installation did you do?
10:22 kf oh
10:22 kf hm not sure why the errors occur
10:21 vfernandes when installing koha I choose dom
10:20 kf did you switch to dom indexing on update?
10:20 kf hm not sure about that
10:20 vfernandes No such record type dom./etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
10:20 vfernandes the same for authorities
10:19 vfernandes yes! second problem: when indexing - No such record type dom./..../etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
10:19 kf subscriptions show up now? :)
10:18 vfernandes first problem solved.
10:16 vfernandes subtag_registry.sql found it :)
10:13 vfernandes can't find the correct SQL
10:10 vfernandes installer/data/mysql/en?
10:09 kf in the installer fiels
10:09 vfernandes in which folder?
10:06 kf it's the most complete
10:06 kf but if you want to fix it - make sure you pick the sql file from the en directory
10:06 kf no idea what went wrong there
10:05 kf i have 135
10:05 kf oh
10:05 vfernandes only have 4 entries
10:04 kf language_descriptions would be my guess
10:04 wahanui which table is the barcode stored?
10:04 vfernandes which table?
10:04 kf did you rerun the translation scripts after the update?
10:03 kf those come from a table in mysql
10:03 kf hm werid
10:03 vfernandes the languages doesn't have descrptions?
10:02 vfernandes http://diana.lnec.pt
10:02 kf what are the problems you have?
10:02 vfernandes it's the next step
10:02 kf it's the most common thing missed :)
10:02 vfernandes not yet
10:02 kf from MARC?
10:02 kf did you run the script to remove items from the amrcß
10:01 vfernandes after upgrading from 3.0 to 3.10 i'm having some little problems
10:00 vfernandes hi :)
08:59 magnuse rangi++
08:59 magnuse w00t!
08:45 kf sorry work :)
08:45 kf rangi++
08:45 kf yay
08:35 rangi http://ratings.koha-community.org/
08:35 rangi probably one more weekends worth
08:35 rangi its nearly done
08:28 magnuse rangi: how's your "star rating project thingy" coming along?
08:24 rangi https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/migration/Generic/csvtomarc.pl
08:23 magnuse ah, ok
08:23 rangi that one is the most up to date
08:23 rangi https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox
08:23 magnuse it says bywater, but it looks like robin has been pushing to it?
08:22 magnuse i think maybe have a look at http://gitorious.org/koha-toolbox
08:19 samueld :-)
08:19 samueld ooh, i would be interested by the robin 's tool
08:18 kf but there is also a tool from robin to convert csv to marc in the repo I think
08:17 kf i think a lot of people are using marcedit
08:17 samueld does someone know a tool or a script to convert a file in iso2709, I've made an extract of a table and need to convert it in a marc file.
08:17 kf hi samueld
08:16 samueld hi everybody
07:50 kf too slow
07:50 kf bye mveron...
07:49 mveron Bye #Koha
07:45 kf yay for the german speaking koha community :)
07:45 mveron :-)
07:45 kf drojf++ too :)
07:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
07:44 mveron I discussed the instrumentation question with drojf, he would add fiel 048 to Bug 9972
07:44 kf mveron++
07:43 kf :)
07:43 mveron Hi again, kf
07:40 kf hi all
07:13 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
07:13 gaetan_B hello
06:56 drojf see you later #koha
06:43 cait bbl :)
06:43 reiveune hello
06:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.5°C (8:35 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:37 cait or it will be soon
06:37 cait it's too warm!
06:37 drojf oops
06:37 cait i tihnk i am developing that kind of phobia where you can't go outside
06:28 mveron With this index they could search after instrumentations, e.g. 2 pianos, 1 choir an 3 organs
06:27 cait mveron++ :)
06:23 drojf ah nice. i did not get to looking for that yesterday
06:22 mveron http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd048.html
06:22 mveron It is related to a question on the German mailing list, would be great to have 048 as well
06:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
06:21 mveron drojf: Question about bug 9972 - Would it be a great deal to add an additional field?
06:17 dcook Dinger :/
06:16 drojf [off] because koha did not switch to postgres? :P
06:16 mveron dcook: To much work, and we had some changes in our group, mbalmer left...
06:15 dcook ^_^
06:15 mveron ...and dcook :-)
06:15 mveron :-)
06:15 mveron hi cait and drojf
06:14 cait hi mveron :)
06:13 drojf hi mveron :)
06:13 dcook Haven't seen you around in ages
06:13 dcook hey ya mveron
06:12 mveron Good moning #koha
06:11 drojf ok, you are supposed to get 36° even. we only 34°. congratulations! :P
06:10 cait i am not under the roof but we are pretty unairconditioned
06:10 cait we will figure that out later today
06:10 cait not sure you win
06:08 drojf and i have to work in the most unairconditioned workplace i got. right under the roof. happy times
06:07 drojf unfortunately i win today
06:07 drojf hi cait
06:07 cait it's still too warm outside
06:07 cait the thunderstorm did growl last night but did not really reach us :(
06:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
06:06 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:06 cait hi drojf
06:06 dcook wb cait
06:03 dcook Nice one, eythian
06:03 dcook drojf: lol
06:01 drojf i guess they will say people went unconscious because obama's speech was overwhelming :P
06:00 eythian https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Brandenburg+Gate,+Pariser+Platz,+Berlijn,+Duitsland&hl=nl&ll=52.516064,13.379009&spn=0.002967,0.008245&sll=-41.24437,174.761855&sspn=0.469312,1.055374&oq=brandenburg+gate&hq=Brandenburg+Gate,+Pariser+Platz,+Berlijn,+Duitsland&t=h&z=18 <-- ah yea, I've been there. Not much shade at all.
05:59 drojf dcook: exactly. imagine that together with 4000 people all trying to see that one guy talking
05:56 dcook Brandenburg gate...that's that huge square that has pretty much nowhere to hide in the shade, right?
05:55 dcook My coat is still a bit damp from last night's deluge
05:55 drojf i could use a storm. not a gigantic one though
05:55 dcook eythian: I think we're due for that storm today :/
05:55 eythian we have a gigantic storm set to come through tomorrow I think
05:55 dcook Wow...
05:54 drojf people watching obama's speech at brandenburg gate today are not allowed to carry umbrellas/sunshades. for security reasons. that's gonna be a lot of fun
05:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 13.0°C (3:30 PM EST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
05:54 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:54 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady).
05:54 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:53 dcook Ouch..
05:53 drojf 34°C later.
05:53 drojf looks like it
05:52 dcook Another blistering day?
05:52 dcook hey ya drojf
05:51 drojf good morning #koha
05:51 drojf oh my
05:51 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.9°C (7:13 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:51 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
05:23 cait hi eythian :)
05:23 wahanui hello cait are you here?
05:23 eythian hello cait
05:22 cait morning #koha
04:25 wj OK, thanks all. I'm leaving.
04:25 wahanui hmmm... website is http://www.koha-community.org
04:25 wj wahanui: website
04:25 eythian yeah :)
04:25 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:25 wj wahanui: mailing lists
04:25 wj lol, it's a bot :D
04:24 wahanui rumour has it translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
04:24 wj wahanui: translations
04:24 eythian np
04:24 wj thanks, eythian
04:24 wj ok, thanks
04:23 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:23 eythian wahanui: mailing lists
04:23 wj how?
04:23 eythian I'd suggest asking on the koha mailing list, you probably need the translation manager to set up a new language.
04:22 wj I want to do translations on Sinhala (Sri Lanka)
04:22 wj how to add it?
04:22 wj wahani, my language isn't there
04:21 wahanui it has been said that translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
04:21 eythian wahanui: translations
04:21 * wj slaps rangi around a bit with a large fishbot
04:21 wj Hello, could anyone please tell me the place where can I translate software strings?
04:20 wj How to translate?
04:08 * dcook pops out for lunch
04:08 dcook I guess it's a good thing that I'm in the middle/south part of the city.
04:08 dcook Found a station where I can tune in if I put my phone (which has an FM receiver) next to the window ^_^
03:38 dcook I wonder if that "madder scheme" should be expanded to include radio stations...
03:38 dcook Or Newcastle, I think
03:37 dcook So not including Sydney
03:37 dcook And it's only broadcast to certain parts of the state
03:37 eythian heh
03:37 dcook It's "statewide" but they don't stream it online O_o
03:37 dcook eythian: Turns out...they don't stream that program online
03:36 eythian although there are a lot of warnings saying it won't work, and then it does.
03:36 eythian OK, I think I have finally convinced this to work.
03:26 eythian that's so really helpful.
03:26 eythian oh hey, two encodings, one entry in a record.
03:26 eythian > ch. 5. Te Reo M\x{101}ori -- ch. 6. When the Crown controls Matauranga Ma\x{cc}\x{84}ori
03:25 dcook The ABC says that "X program" is on right now, but doesn't give you an actual link to listen
03:25 * dcook wonders how anyone ever finds the digital radio program they actually want
03:23 eythian I'm not sure
03:23 eythian or it might be fixlatin actually
03:23 wizzyrea ohno
03:16 eythian so marc8_to_utf8 seems to have stopped working properly for me when I upgraded ubuntu :/
03:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1262: FIXED in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1262/
03:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
03:03 zebran00b I've set the layout, template and profile in Koha 3.12 label creator, and CSV and XML export fine, but PDF export is blank. Is there a PDF creation package I need to have?
03:00 zebran00b need more coffee, brb
03:00 zebran00b heh
03:00 zebran00b veoops
03:00 zebran00b 'O
02:51 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
02:51 gmcharlt @quote random
02:24 dcook It must be wednesday..
02:24 dcook Oh no...phantom phone vibrations...
02:24 dcook P.S. thanks ^_^
02:21 dcook Sure beats trying to do some whacky stuff to try to sort the marc O_o
02:20 jcamins Well done!
02:20 dcook jcamins: Was able to modify the get_tags sub slightly to allow sorting tags by title :)
01:57 rangi ahh right that makes sense
01:53 gmcharlt runs fine with no OCLC affiliate ID, which was why it was working just fine for me locally
01:53 jcamins Got confused.
01:53 jcamins Sorry.
01:53 jcamins Quotes fails around midnight.
01:53 jcamins Wait, no.
01:53 gmcharlt SyndeticsEditiosn was on, and the OCLC affililate ID was bad
01:53 jcamins gmcharlt: XISBN fails around midnight.
01:53 dcook Giving people the ability to modify labels for their particular users and information needs..
01:53 rangi ahhh
01:53 gmcharlt rangi: it was failing that last XISBN test case because of a couple syspref settings in the master database
01:52 dcook I've been thinking about this recently too. I think it's just a plain good idea in terms of overall usability and information system design.
01:52 eythian we've been thinking about doing that, but I don't think we actually have it.
01:52 dcook jcamins++
01:52 gmcharlt rangi: thanks
01:52 jcamins (and then install it manually)
01:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1262 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1253 1 day 5 hr ago)
01:52 eythian ah yeah
01:51 jcamins But the right way to do it is to have a system in place so that librarians can actually modify the "translation" themselves.
01:51 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds
01:51 rangi !jenkins build koha_master
01:51 jcamins Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
01:51 eythian jcamins: I think you can just take the .po, modify it and rename it as its own language, and away you go.
01:50 jcamins But that's absolutely not the right way to do it.
01:50 gmcharlt !build 'Koha_master'
01:50 jcamins Right now Mr. Lazy over here just says "you know what, I don't want to set up a system," and makes the change.
01:50 eythian that's pretty easy
01:50 eythian oh right
01:49 jcamins eythian: what I'm thinking about is the "my library wants to change 'cart' to 'binder' (or whatever)" situation.
01:49 eythian I really really need to get back into it
01:49 eythian there's a bug around for this
01:48 eythian gmcharlt: yes
01:48 eythian if it's to customise the language, then just like anything else.
01:48 gmcharlt eythian: speaking of translations -- woudl it be reasonable to package them?
01:48 eythian if it's to customise the HTML, it has to be reapplied by hand
01:48 eythian actually, it depends
01:48 eythian jcamins: at the moment, terribly
01:46 jcamins rangi: some of Catalyst's libraries have their own translations, right? How do you handle the translating?
01:46 dcook Wow...52 isn't too shabby
01:46 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94). You (dcook) are ranked 52 out of 2537.
01:46 dcook @karma
01:45 dcook I don't know about that. I wouldn't be where I am if it weren't for you (and rangi)
01:45 dcook hehe
01:45 jcamins Unfortunately, with oleonard working on a new OPAC theme, it seems unlikely that I'll have a chance to catch up.
01:45 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94). You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2537.
01:45 jcamins @karma
01:45 jcamins Wow. That's a lot of karma.
01:45 dcook Very nice!
01:44 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 601 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 599.
01:44 jcamins @karma jcamins
01:38 jcamins Nice!
01:38 dcook Yay. I done good.
01:38 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 23 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 23.
01:38 dcook @karma dcook
01:33 dcook Wait...that is exactly the problem right now..
01:33 dcook At least I'm not out of order
01:33 dcook hehe
01:32 wahanui okay, eythian.
01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is also currently out of line.
01:32 wahanui ...but dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client...
01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is currently out of line.
01:31 dcook Although anything to avoid those..
01:31 dcook Well, maybe not everything. Everything that is more than a local customization.
01:30 jcamins :)
01:30 dcook At least everything new gets developed on master ^_^
01:30 dcook I hope one day to be relatively in line with the community
01:30 dcook Thanks, jcamins :)
01:27 rangi heh
01:27 rangi w
01:25 jcamins dcook++
01:25 jcamins Well done!
01:25 dcook Quite a bit down from the 200+ of last year...
01:25 dcook Still about 30-40 to move from 3.2 to 3.8 potentially...
01:25 jcamins Ah-ha.
01:25 dcook Then moved over to 3.8 (some made their way to master but some are still on my To Do list)
01:24 jcamins Ah. That's what I thought.
01:24 dcook Patches developed on 3.2
01:24 jcamins You have patches developed on 3.8?
01:23 * dcook wishes he could clone himself or time travel or just have another 24 hours per day
01:23 dcook As for 3.8...I still have a list of changes to port over to the community codebase...
01:23 dcook If changes are required for a version older than 3.8, it's not really in anyone's best interest to do that change
01:22 dcook Well, to be honest, it's getting to that point
01:22 jcamins Win.
01:22 jcamins Talk about technical debt until the librarians think that they'll have to pay more if they don't upgrade.
01:22 dcook eythian: I wish ;)
01:21 jcamins eythian++ # YES!
01:21 eythian use it as an excuse to upgrade?
01:21 jcamins 3.10+
01:21 dcook Is that 3.10 or 3.12?
01:21 dcook hehe
01:21 jcamins *Never mind
01:21 jcamins Neve rmind.
01:21 jcamins Ummm...
01:20 dcook We're on 3.8. How much backporting would be required/what does it do?
01:20 jcamins Create Koha::Filter::MARC::Tags
01:20 dcook Hmm
01:20 jcamins Use Koha::RecordProcessor.
01:20 * dcook is all ears.
01:20 * jcamins has a suggestion.
01:19 dcook This...is not going to be fun to try to sort these..
01:18 dcook Alas, my main issue is with how the tag results were sorting, and now after realizing it's pulling them from the DB...I realize it's sorting by bib number
01:18 jcamins Yup.
01:18 dcook Also just the way things are set up...if you change the sort order of your results, it runs the query and ignores the tags...which is a thing
01:17 dcook It would probably be nice if your search included tags..
01:17 jcamins You wouldn't, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to search?
01:16 dcook But if you're clicking a tag on a tag cloud, why would you need to run an actual query?
01:16 jcamins Because it'd be nice to be able to do an actual search?
01:16 dcook Mind you, I don't know why you'd need to use Zebra if you're just retrieving records based on a tag
01:14 jcamins [off] A question that I think someone told me came down to a certain former vendor being a cheapskate.
01:14 dcook Indeed.
01:13 jcamins A very good question.
01:13 jcamins Because that's a good question.
01:13 dcook Not putting them into it
01:13 * jcamins heard "Why does it look like Zebra is not used at all?"
01:13 dcook For some reason, I thought it was getting records FROM {biblioserver}->{RECORDS}
01:13 jcamins Oh.
01:13 dcook Nope, just my brain being crazy
01:12 jcamins Right, wasn't that the question?
01:12 dcook It's just pulling them from the database
01:12 dcook Wait, that has nothing to do with Zebra
01:12 jcamins The comments are absolutely correct.
01:12 jcamins Yes.
01:12 dcook I...
01:12 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tag results" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/71
01:11 * jcamins throws salt over his shoulder.
01:11 dcook And it looks like the results are pulled using...*goes to pastebot*
01:11 dcook I'm looking at how search results come up when you click on a tag in a tag cloud...
01:11 jcamins Sure.
01:11 dcook jcamins: Up for another zebra question which is unrelated to 090?
01:10 jcamins dcook: yeah, that is a bit odd.
01:10 dcook I suppose there's no reason it would though
01:10 Irma dcook, indeed.
01:10 dcook though*
01:10 dcook I am a bit surprised that Koha doesn't index 090 by default thouhg
01:10 dcook Drrr. Of course.
01:10 dcook jcamins: Mmm, I follow you now. Because it prints out the item call number on the side...but just for the items.
01:09 dcook Irma: Interesting sounds...interesting. I hear you guys had a good time with bag :)
01:09 dcook Because the whole record is being retrieved. It's not that he's looking for the 090 specifically
01:09 jcamins Everything to do with the fact that 090 is a bib-level classification, and what he wants is items.
01:09 Irma back again after a very interesting business & family trip.
01:09 dcook Yeah, that's what I realized eventually.
01:08 jcamins Nope. Nothing to do with indexing.
01:08 dcook jcamins: I was looking at the email from Kenan about why his 090 wasn't showing up, and I figured it was relating to indexing, but then I started doubting myself
01:08 jcamins dcook: what are you indexing?
01:08 dcook Mmm not too bad. Plugging away like usual. How about you? Back in Oz or still in the US?
01:07 Irma hi dcook how r U?
01:06 dcook Hey Irma :)
00:49 dcook jcamins: Nvm. I think I found it.
00:49 libsysguy hey dcook
00:49 dcook hey ya BobB and libsysguy :)
00:49 dcook jcamins: You know that example in your git where you show how to add a new index to Zebra? Do you have that handy?
00:03 jcamins dcook: hehe.
00:02 * dcook thinks that he might have to take up this wednesday curry day idea
00:01 dcook I suppose you know you're a nerd when you think of Star Wars before Chevy or the Navy when you hear "corvette"
00:01 eythian or a corvette crisis?
00:01 gmcharlt swap it for a courgette crisis!
00:01 eythian I just have a rogan josh ordered, because wednesday is curry day
00:01 gmcharlt jcamins: ah! the solution to the Midwest's zucchini crisis!
00:00 * jcamins leaves to make saag.
00:00 jcamins She's here with escarole!
00:00 jcamins Ooh!
00:00 jcamins Courgettes.
00:00 jcamins You know what I had trouble with?
00:00 dcook gmcharlt: I was rather puzzled when I first got here and they had mystery plants :p