Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook gmcharlt: I was rather puzzled when I first got here and they had mystery plants :p 00:00 jcamins You know what I had trouble with? 00:00 jcamins Courgettes. 00:00 jcamins Ooh! 00:00 jcamins She's here with escarole! 00:00 * jcamins leaves to make saag. 00:01 gmcharlt jcamins: ah! the solution to the Midwest's zucchini crisis! 00:01 eythian I just have a rogan josh ordered, because wednesday is curry day 00:01 gmcharlt swap it for a courgette crisis! 00:01 eythian or a corvette crisis? 00:01 dcook I suppose you know you're a nerd when you think of Star Wars before Chevy or the Navy when you hear "corvette" 00:02 * dcook thinks that he might have to take up this wednesday curry day idea 00:03 jcamins dcook: hehe. 00:49 dcook jcamins: You know that example in your git where you show how to add a new index to Zebra? Do you have that handy? 00:49 dcook hey ya BobB and libsysguy :) 00:49 libsysguy hey dcook 00:49 dcook jcamins: Nvm. I think I found it. 01:06 dcook Hey Irma :) 01:07 Irma hi dcook how r U? 01:08 dcook Mmm not too bad. Plugging away like usual. How about you? Back in Oz or still in the US? 01:08 jcamins dcook: what are you indexing? 01:08 dcook jcamins: I was looking at the email from Kenan about why his 090 wasn't showing up, and I figured it was relating to indexing, but then I started doubting myself 01:08 jcamins Nope. Nothing to do with indexing. 01:09 dcook Yeah, that's what I realized eventually. 01:09 Irma back again after a very interesting business & family trip. 01:09 jcamins Everything to do with the fact that 090 is a bib-level classification, and what he wants is items. 01:09 dcook Because the whole record is being retrieved. It's not that he's looking for the 090 specifically 01:09 dcook Irma: Interesting sounds...interesting. I hear you guys had a good time with bag :) 01:10 dcook jcamins: Mmm, I follow you now. Because it prints out the item call number on the side...but just for the items. 01:10 dcook Drrr. Of course. 01:10 dcook I am a bit surprised that Koha doesn't index 090 by default thouhg 01:10 dcook though* 01:10 Irma dcook, indeed. 01:10 dcook I suppose there's no reason it would though 01:10 jcamins dcook: yeah, that is a bit odd. 01:11 dcook jcamins: Up for another zebra question which is unrelated to 090? 01:11 jcamins Sure. 01:11 dcook I'm looking at how search results come up when you click on a tag in a tag cloud... 01:11 dcook And it looks like the results are pulled using...*goes to pastebot* 01:11 * jcamins throws salt over his shoulder. 01:12 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tag results" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/71 01:12 dcook I... 01:12 jcamins Yes. 01:12 jcamins The comments are absolutely correct. 01:12 dcook Wait, that has nothing to do with Zebra 01:12 dcook It's just pulling them from the database 01:12 jcamins Right, wasn't that the question? 01:13 dcook Nope, just my brain being crazy 01:13 jcamins Oh. 01:13 dcook For some reason, I thought it was getting records FROM {biblioserver}->{RECORDS} 01:13 * jcamins heard "Why does it look like Zebra is not used at all?" 01:13 dcook Not putting them into it 01:13 jcamins Because that's a good question. 01:13 jcamins A very good question. 01:14 dcook Indeed. 01:14 jcamins [off] A question that I think someone told me came down to a certain former vendor being a cheapskate. 01:16 dcook Mind you, I don't know why you'd need to use Zebra if you're just retrieving records based on a tag 01:16 jcamins Because it'd be nice to be able to do an actual search? 01:16 dcook But if you're clicking a tag on a tag cloud, why would you need to run an actual query? 01:17 jcamins You wouldn't, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to search? 01:17 dcook It would probably be nice if your search included tags.. 01:18 dcook Also just the way things are set up...if you change the sort order of your results, it runs the query and ignores the tags...which is a thing 01:18 jcamins Yup. 01:18 dcook Alas, my main issue is with how the tag results were sorting, and now after realizing it's pulling them from the DB...I realize it's sorting by bib number 01:19 dcook This...is not going to be fun to try to sort these.. 01:20 * jcamins has a suggestion. 01:20 * dcook is all ears. 01:20 jcamins Use Koha::RecordProcessor. 01:20 dcook Hmm 01:20 jcamins Create Koha::Filter::MARC::Tags 01:20 dcook We're on 3.8. How much backporting would be required/what does it do? 01:21 jcamins Ummm... 01:21 jcamins Neve rmind. 01:21 jcamins *Never mind 01:21 dcook hehe 01:21 dcook Is that 3.10 or 3.12? 01:21 jcamins 3.10+ 01:21 eythian use it as an excuse to upgrade? 01:21 jcamins eythian++ # YES! 01:22 dcook eythian: I wish ;) 01:22 jcamins Talk about technical debt until the librarians think that they'll have to pay more if they don't upgrade. 01:22 jcamins Win. 01:22 dcook Well, to be honest, it's getting to that point 01:23 dcook If changes are required for a version older than 3.8, it's not really in anyone's best interest to do that change 01:23 dcook As for 3.8...I still have a list of changes to port over to the community codebase... 01:23 * dcook wishes he could clone himself or time travel or just have another 24 hours per day 01:24 jcamins You have patches developed on 3.8? 01:24 dcook Patches developed on 3.2 01:24 jcamins Ah. That's what I thought. 01:25 dcook Then moved over to 3.8 (some made their way to master but some are still on my To Do list) 01:25 jcamins Ah-ha. 01:25 dcook Still about 30-40 to move from 3.2 to 3.8 potentially... 01:25 dcook Quite a bit down from the 200+ of last year... 01:25 jcamins Well done! 01:25 jcamins dcook++ 01:27 rangi w 01:27 rangi heh 01:30 dcook Thanks, jcamins :) 01:30 dcook I hope one day to be relatively in line with the community 01:30 dcook At least everything new gets developed on master ^_^ 01:30 jcamins :) 01:31 dcook Well, maybe not everything. Everything that is more than a local customization. 01:31 dcook Although anything to avoid those.. 01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is currently out of line. 01:32 wahanui ...but dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client... 01:32 eythian wahanui: dcook is also currently out of line. 01:32 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:33 dcook hehe 01:33 dcook At least I'm not out of order 01:33 dcook Wait...that is exactly the problem right now.. 01:38 dcook @karma dcook 01:38 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 23 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 23. 01:38 dcook Yay. I done good. 01:38 jcamins Nice! 01:44 jcamins @karma jcamins 01:44 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 601 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 599. 01:45 dcook Very nice! 01:45 jcamins Wow. That's a lot of karma. 01:45 jcamins @karma 01:45 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94). You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2537. 01:45 jcamins Unfortunately, with oleonard working on a new OPAC theme, it seems unlikely that I'll have a chance to catch up. 01:45 dcook hehe 01:45 dcook I don't know about that. I wouldn't be where I am if it weren't for you (and rangi) 01:46 dcook @karma 01:46 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "rangi" (832), "oleonard" (717), and "jcamins" (599). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "failed" (-103), and "ie" (-94). You (dcook) are ranked 52 out of 2537. 01:46 dcook Wow...52 isn't too shabby 01:46 jcamins rangi: some of Catalyst's libraries have their own translations, right? How do you handle the translating? 01:48 eythian jcamins: at the moment, terribly 01:48 eythian actually, it depends 01:48 eythian if it's to customise the HTML, it has to be reapplied by hand 01:48 gmcharlt eythian: speaking of translations -- woudl it be reasonable to package them? 01:48 eythian if it's to customise the language, then just like anything else. 01:48 eythian gmcharlt: yes 01:49 eythian there's a bug around for this 01:49 eythian I really really need to get back into it 01:49 jcamins eythian: what I'm thinking about is the "my library wants to change 'cart' to 'binder' (or whatever)" situation. 01:50 eythian oh right 01:50 eythian that's pretty easy 01:50 jcamins Right now Mr. Lazy over here just says "you know what, I don't want to set up a system," and makes the change. 01:50 gmcharlt !build 'Koha_master' 01:50 jcamins But that's absolutely not the right way to do it. 01:51 eythian jcamins: I think you can just take the .po, modify it and rename it as its own language, and away you go. 01:51 jcamins Yeah, that's what I'm doing. 01:51 rangi !jenkins build koha_master 01:51 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds 01:51 jcamins But the right way to do it is to have a system in place so that librarians can actually modify the "translation" themselves. 01:52 eythian ah yeah 01:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1262 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1253 1 day 5 hr ago) 01:52 jcamins (and then install it manually) 01:52 gmcharlt rangi: thanks 01:52 dcook jcamins++ 01:52 eythian we've been thinking about doing that, but I don't think we actually have it. 01:52 dcook I've been thinking about this recently too. I think it's just a plain good idea in terms of overall usability and information system design. 01:53 gmcharlt rangi: it was failing that last XISBN test case because of a couple syspref settings in the master database 01:53 rangi ahhh 01:53 dcook Giving people the ability to modify labels for their particular users and information needs.. 01:53 jcamins gmcharlt: XISBN fails around midnight. 01:53 gmcharlt SyndeticsEditiosn was on, and the OCLC affililate ID was bad 01:53 jcamins Wait, no. 01:53 jcamins Quotes fails around midnight. 01:53 jcamins Sorry. 01:53 jcamins Got confused. 01:53 gmcharlt runs fine with no OCLC affiliate ID, which was why it was working just fine for me locally 01:57 rangi ahh right that makes sense 02:20 dcook jcamins: Was able to modify the get_tags sub slightly to allow sorting tags by title :) 02:20 jcamins Well done! 02:21 dcook Sure beats trying to do some whacky stuff to try to sort the marc O_o 02:24 dcook P.S. thanks ^_^ 02:24 dcook Oh no...phantom phone vibrations... 02:24 dcook It must be wednesday.. 02:51 gmcharlt @quote random 02:51 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010) 03:00 zebran00b 'O 03:00 zebran00b veoops 03:00 zebran00b heh 03:00 zebran00b need more coffee, brb 03:03 zebran00b I've set the layout, template and profile in Koha 3.12 label creator, and CSV and XML export fine, but PDF export is blank. Is there a PDF creation package I need to have? 03:06 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 03:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1262: FIXED in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1262/ 03:16 eythian so marc8_to_utf8 seems to have stopped working properly for me when I upgraded ubuntu :/ 03:23 wizzyrea ohno 03:23 eythian or it might be fixlatin actually 03:23 eythian I'm not sure 03:25 * dcook wonders how anyone ever finds the digital radio program they actually want 03:25 dcook The ABC says that "X program" is on right now, but doesn't give you an actual link to listen 03:26 eythian > ch. 5. Te Reo M\x{101}ori -- ch. 6. When the Crown controls Matauranga Ma\x{cc}\x{84}ori 03:26 eythian oh hey, two encodings, one entry in a record. 03:26 eythian that's so really helpful. 03:36 eythian OK, I think I have finally convinced this to work. 03:36 eythian although there are a lot of warnings saying it won't work, and then it does. 03:37 dcook eythian: Turns out...they don't stream that program online 03:37 dcook It's "statewide" but they don't stream it online O_o 03:37 eythian heh 03:37 dcook And it's only broadcast to certain parts of the state 03:37 dcook So not including Sydney 03:38 dcook Or Newcastle, I think 03:38 dcook I wonder if that "madder scheme" should be expanded to include radio stations... 04:08 dcook Found a station where I can tune in if I put my phone (which has an FM receiver) next to the window ^_^ 04:08 dcook I guess it's a good thing that I'm in the middle/south part of the city. 04:08 * dcook pops out for lunch 04:20 wj How to translate? 04:21 wj Hello, could anyone please tell me the place where can I translate software strings? 04:21 * wj slaps rangi around a bit with a large fishbot 04:21 eythian wahanui: translations 04:21 wahanui it has been said that translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 04:22 wj wahani, my language isn't there 04:22 wj how to add it? 04:22 wj I want to do translations on Sinhala (Sri Lanka) 04:23 eythian I'd suggest asking on the koha mailing list, you probably need the translation manager to set up a new language. 04:23 wj how? 04:23 eythian wahanui: mailing lists 04:23 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:24 wj ok, thanks 04:24 wj thanks, eythian 04:24 eythian np 04:24 wj wahanui: translations 04:24 wahanui rumour has it translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 04:25 wj lol, it's a bot :D 04:25 wj wahanui: mailing lists 04:25 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:25 eythian yeah :) 04:25 wj wahanui: website 04:25 wahanui hmmm... website is http://www.koha-community.org 04:25 wj OK, thanks all. I'm leaving. 05:22 cait morning #koha 05:23 eythian hello cait 05:23 wahanui hello cait are you here? 05:23 cait hi eythian :) 05:51 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 05:51 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.9°C (7:13 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 05:51 drojf oh my 05:51 drojf good morning #koha 05:52 dcook hey ya drojf 05:52 dcook Another blistering day? 05:53 drojf looks like it 05:53 drojf 34°C later. 05:53 dcook Ouch.. 05:54 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:54 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Steady). 05:54 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 05:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 13.0°C (3:30 PM EST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 05:54 drojf people watching obama's speech at brandenburg gate today are not allowed to carry umbrellas/sunshades. for security reasons. that's gonna be a lot of fun 05:55 dcook Wow... 05:55 eythian we have a gigantic storm set to come through tomorrow I think 05:55 dcook eythian: I think we're due for that storm today :/ 05:55 drojf i could use a storm. not a gigantic one though 05:55 dcook My coat is still a bit damp from last night's deluge 05:56 dcook Brandenburg gate...that's that huge square that has pretty much nowhere to hide in the shade, right? 05:59 drojf dcook: exactly. imagine that together with 4000 people all trying to see that one guy talking 06:00 eythian https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Brandenburg+Gate,+Pariser+Platz,+Berlijn,+Duitsland&hl=nl&ll=52.516064,13.379009&spn=0.002967,0.008245&sll=-41.24437,174.761855&sspn=0.469312,1.055374&oq=brandenburg+gate&hq=Brandenburg+Gate,+Pariser+Platz,+Berlijn,+Duitsland&t=h&z=18 <-- ah yea, I've been there. Not much shade at all. 06:01 drojf i guess they will say people went unconscious because obama's speech was overwhelming :P 06:03 dcook drojf: lol 06:03 dcook Nice one, eythian 06:06 dcook wb cait 06:06 cait hi drojf 06:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 06:07 cait the thunderstorm did growl last night but did not really reach us :( 06:07 cait it's still too warm outside 06:07 drojf hi cait 06:07 drojf unfortunately i win today 06:08 drojf and i have to work in the most unairconditioned workplace i got. right under the roof. happy times 06:10 cait not sure you win 06:10 cait we will figure that out later today 06:10 cait i am not under the roof but we are pretty unairconditioned 06:11 drojf ok, you are supposed to get 36° even. we only 34°. congratulations! :P 06:12 mveron Good moning #koha 06:13 dcook hey ya mveron 06:13 dcook Haven't seen you around in ages 06:13 drojf hi mveron :) 06:14 cait hi mveron :) 06:15 mveron hi cait and drojf 06:15 mveron :-) 06:15 mveron ...and dcook :-) 06:15 dcook ^_^ 06:16 mveron dcook: To much work, and we had some changes in our group, mbalmer left... 06:16 drojf [off] because koha did not switch to postgres? :P 06:17 dcook Dinger :/ 06:21 mveron drojf: Question about bug 9972 - Would it be a great deal to add an additional field? 06:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) 06:22 mveron It is related to a question on the German mailing list, would be great to have 048 as well 06:22 mveron http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd048.html 06:23 drojf ah nice. i did not get to looking for that yesterday 06:27 cait mveron++ :) 06:28 mveron With this index they could search after instrumentations, e.g. 2 pianos, 1 choir an 3 organs 06:37 cait i tihnk i am developing that kind of phobia where you can't go outside 06:37 drojf oops 06:37 cait it's too warm! 06:37 cait or it will be soon 06:37 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.5°C (8:35 AM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 cait bbl :) 06:56 drojf see you later #koha 07:13 gaetan_B hello 07:13 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B 07:40 kf hi all 07:43 mveron Hi again, kf 07:43 kf :) 07:44 kf mveron++ 07:44 mveron I discussed the instrumentation question with drojf, he would add fiel 048 to Bug 9972 07:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) 07:45 kf drojf++ too :) 07:45 mveron :-) 07:45 kf yay for the german speaking koha community :) 07:49 mveron Bye #Koha 07:50 kf bye mveron... 07:50 kf too slow 08:16 samueld hi everybody 08:17 kf hi samueld 08:17 samueld does someone know a tool or a script to convert a file in iso2709, I've made an extract of a table and need to convert it in a marc file. 08:17 kf i think a lot of people are using marcedit 08:18 kf but there is also a tool from robin to convert csv to marc in the repo I think 08:19 samueld ooh, i would be interested by the robin 's tool 08:19 samueld :-) 08:22 magnuse i think maybe have a look at http://gitorious.org/koha-toolbox 08:23 magnuse it says bywater, but it looks like robin has been pushing to it? 08:23 rangi https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox 08:23 rangi that one is the most up to date 08:23 magnuse ah, ok 08:24 rangi https://gitorious.org/+catalyst-koha/koha-toolbox/catalyst-koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/migration/Generic/csvtomarc.pl 08:28 magnuse rangi: how's your "star rating project thingy" coming along? 08:35 rangi its nearly done 08:35 rangi probably one more weekends worth 08:35 rangi http://ratings.koha-community.org/ 08:45 kf yay 08:45 kf rangi++ 08:45 kf sorry work :) 08:59 magnuse w00t! 08:59 magnuse rangi++ 10:00 vfernandes hi :) 10:01 vfernandes after upgrading from 3.0 to 3.10 i'm having some little problems 10:02 kf did you run the script to remove items from the amrcß 10:02 kf from MARC? 10:02 vfernandes not yet 10:02 kf it's the most common thing missed :) 10:02 vfernandes it's the next step 10:02 kf what are the problems you have? 10:02 vfernandes http://diana.lnec.pt 10:03 vfernandes the languages doesn't have descrptions? 10:03 kf hm werid 10:03 kf those come from a table in mysql 10:04 kf did you rerun the translation scripts after the update? 10:04 vfernandes which table? 10:04 wahanui which table is the barcode stored? 10:04 kf language_descriptions would be my guess 10:05 vfernandes only have 4 entries 10:05 kf oh 10:05 kf i have 135 10:06 kf no idea what went wrong there 10:06 kf but if you want to fix it - make sure you pick the sql file from the en directory 10:06 kf it's the most complete 10:09 vfernandes in which folder? 10:09 kf in the installer fiels 10:10 vfernandes installer/data/mysql/en? 10:13 vfernandes can't find the correct SQL 10:16 vfernandes subtag_registry.sql found it :) 10:18 vfernandes first problem solved. 10:19 kf subscriptions show up now? :) 10:19 vfernandes yes! second problem: when indexing - No such record type dom./..../etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml 10:20 vfernandes the same for authorities 10:20 vfernandes No such record type dom./etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml 10:20 kf hm not sure about that 10:20 kf did you switch to dom indexing on update? 10:21 vfernandes when installing koha I choose dom 10:22 kf hm not sure why the errors occur 10:22 kf oh 10:22 kf what kind of installation did you do? 10:22 kf and we formerly supported only dom indexing for authorities, not bilbiographic 10:22 kf so there has something changed there between 3.0 and later 10:23 kf did you update or import your database into a newer installation? 10:23 vfernandes clean install, database imported from other server 10:24 kf hm ok 10:24 kf sorry, you might have to ask someone else about that problem 10:24 vfernandes I can try with grs1 indexing 10:35 vfernandes kf which is the scrip to remove items form MARC? 10:35 kf sorry, have to eat pizza now 10:35 kf it's called something with remove 10:35 kf probably somewhere in misc 10:36 vfernandes with GRS1 - No such record type: grs.marcxml.record 10:36 vfernandes maybe something is wrong with my zebra 10:36 kf you didn't do a package installation, did you? 10:36 vfernandes no 10:36 kf did you check the paths it gives you? is the file there? 10:36 kf does the file have the right permission? 10:37 vfernandes i'm everything with sudo 10:37 kf sorr,y have to eat lunch with the coworker now 10:37 vfernandes *i'm running 10:37 kf hm you shouldn't sudo run zebra 10:37 vfernandes ok thanks kf 10:37 kf use the koha user 10:37 kf your file permissions might be messed up 12:21 chris_n jcamins: http://tinyurl.com/3mz4hub 12:21 jcamins chris_n: oooooh. 12:22 kf oooooh 12:22 chris_n recommended by a friend yesterday; I plan on trying them this weekend 12:22 jcamins If I had bacon, I would try them right now. 12:22 jcamins It's nice and cool today, bizarrely. 12:23 chris_n here too; lots of rain last evening 12:24 kf @wunder Konstanz 12:24 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.1°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 12:40 jcamins wtf is with the insistence that 001 is OCLC# in face of the incontrovertible fact that if it is, that is merely happenstance? 12:43 tcohen morning 12:55 kf morning tcohen 12:57 tcohen hi kf 12:57 tcohen our university is turning 400 years today 12:57 tcohen so its a short working day for us 12:58 magnuse yay! 13:01 magnuse 400 is not a bad age 13:03 kf ooh 13:03 kf next year would be cool and then have kohacon in argentina! 13:03 kf maybe 401? :) 13:04 magnuse sounds good to me! 13:06 magnuse heh ~36 hours travel time 13:06 magnuse but prices are not that crazy it seems 13:06 jcamins magnuse: to Argentina? 13:06 tcohen and we are awesome of course :-P 13:07 magnuse jcamins: yup 13:07 magnuse from oslo 13:07 jcamins Yay! 13:07 kf tcohen: of course you are :) 13:07 kf tcohen: btw bgkriegel was great and fixed the problem :) 13:09 jcamins 15 hours, surprisingly affordable. 13:09 tcohen for me its 1500 US$ to attend to Reno 13:10 magnuse tcohen: wow, that was ~the lowest prices i found from oslo to cordoba! 13:11 kf [off] hm flight was about 860euro from here I think 13:12 tcohen [off] i think i don't want to hear it 13:12 tcohen are bids for kohacon14 open yet? 13:13 magnuse it was a topic at the latest meeting, but i have not read the log yet... 13:14 kf tcohen: yes :) 13:14 kf drofj sent an email about that a few days ago 13:15 * magnuse is way behind in reading the list 13:16 magnuse drojf++ 13:16 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals 13:17 vfernandes I solve the problems with the indexation that I had this morning 13:17 vfernandes but now when searching authorities I get this error 13:17 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114 13:17 vfernandes what that means? 13:19 tcohen thanks magnuse 13:23 jcamins As I recall, ERROR 114 is unsupported Use attribute. 13:24 vfernandes Search authorities ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr 1=Heading @attr 7=1 0 @and @attr 5=100 @attr 1=authtype AUTORES @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 1=Any a 13:24 vfernandes This is the error that I get 13:24 jcamins Yeah, that's unsupported Use attribute. 13:25 vfernandes how to solve it? 13:25 vfernandes i'm using OPAC interface to searhc 13:25 jcamins Update your Zebra configuration files, restart Zebra, and reindex. 13:25 vfernandes update Zebra configuration? record.abs? 13:26 jcamins All your configuration files. 13:26 kf probably same problem as this morning l 13:26 kf what did you do to solve it? 13:26 jcamins You may have stale configuration files. 13:27 vfernandes the problem this morning was that the configuration files had /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/lib64/ 13:28 vfernandes could be some field missing in the authorities? 13:28 jcamins No. 13:29 vfernandes I don't know what to do 13:32 vfernandes looking at authorities/etc/bib1.att there isn't a attr 7 13:33 jcamins That's sorting. 13:33 vfernandes so this @attr 7=1 0 doesn't look right 13:33 jcamins Yes it does. 13:33 jcamins The problem is authtype or Any. 13:34 jcamins Or Heading, I suppose. 13:34 vfernandes I don't even know where to look 13:35 jcamins Unfortunately troubleshooting this sort of problem isn't really simple. 13:35 jcamins In my experience, though, the problem always comes down to having configuration files from older versions. 13:36 vfernandes this is a clean installation 13:36 jcamins Entirely clean? 13:36 vfernandes yes 13:36 jcamins That's very weird. I've never seen that at all. 13:36 vfernandes the database was imported from a 2.2.8 Koha 13:37 kf vfernandes: didn't you say 3.0? 13:37 vfernandes 2.2.8 -> 3.0 -> 3.10 13:37 jcamins And the 3.0 upgrade was on a different system? 13:38 jcamins Very peculiar. 13:38 vfernandes yes... but I've never tested indexation and searching... I only followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 13:39 vfernandes after upgrading the database to 3.0 I've imported it to a system with koha 3.10 13:41 tcohen that sounds good vfernandes 13:41 tcohen and you didn't touch the zebradb files from that 3.10 setup, right? 13:43 vfernandes only zebra-authorities-dom.cfg and zebra-biblios-dom.cfg : "modulePath: /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules" -> modulePath: /usr/lib64/idzebra-2.0/modules 13:44 vfernandes server : http://diana.lnec.pt 13:45 tcohen wahanui: kohacon14 proposals is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon2014_Proposals 13:45 wahanui OK, tcohen. 13:46 vfernandes I found one problem with my authorities 13:46 vfernandes the authority code is mapped to 942$b instead of 942$a 13:47 vfernandes could be this? 13:47 jcamins That's definitely a problem, but it's unlikely to cause this error. 13:47 vfernandes melm 942$a authtype:w,authtype:p 13:48 vfernandes authtype is mapped to that field 13:48 tcohen you shouldn't need that adjustment vfernandes, as lib is a symbolic link to lib64 on x64_64 setups 13:48 vfernandes if the field isn't filled in any authorities could give the error 13:49 jcamins vfernandes: you should definitely fix it. With luck, perhaps it will fix the problem. 13:49 vfernandes ok 13:49 jcamins I don't use UNIMARC, and when I have, I've always found that the Zebra configuration is much more brittle. 13:49 vfernandes i'm using MARC21 :P 13:49 jcamins Really? I thought you used UNIMARC. 13:49 jcamins In that case, why are you using GRS-1? 13:50 jcamins You should never ever use GRS-1 for authorities with MARC21. 13:50 jcamins It's been deprecated since 3.2. 13:50 vfernandes normally I use UNIMARC, but in this installation i'm using MARC21 and DOM configuration 13:51 jcamins Ah. 13:58 vfernandes i will try a new DB importing with 942 corrected 14:09 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:10 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 30.6°C (4:05 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 14:19 magnuse kf: barely above 30? pffft... ;-) 14:20 kf it feels hotter 14:21 Oak @wunder islamabad 14:21 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (7:00 PM PKT on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising). 14:25 magnuse Oak 14:25 Oak magnuse 14:25 Oak :) 14:26 magnuse :-) 14:29 kf hi Oak 14:29 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (4:25 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 14:29 Oak hey kf :) 15:01 datadoctor Working on text messaging our notifications. Hard-coded options make it difficult to configure notification settings. Defining Tools>Notices & Slips to SMS hold notices requires hard-coding a HOLD_SMS category. Options like texting a checkout confirmation appear to be impossible. 15:05 jcamins datadoctor: I think there's a patch that improves the way notices work. 15:06 jcamins datadoctor: hey, you don't happen to know whether there is any sort of barcode prefix registry in Ohio, do you? Or who I'd contact to ask if there were? 15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 3367 15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3367 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Overdue Rules not processed for patrons with checkouts more than 90 days overdue. 15:08 jcamins No, definitely not that one. 15:08 jcamins datadoctor: bug 9021 15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers 15:09 jcamins And bug 9296 15:09 wahanui bug 9296 is, like, mine but that's less radical 15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension 15:12 datadoctor jcamins: I am not aware of any Ohio barcode prefixes. We don't use a custom prefix. 15:17 jwagner jcamins, there is a barcode registry, but I don't think it's by state. What are you looking for? 15:18 jcamins jwagner: I'm trying to make a list of states that have their own registries instead of or on top of the Infor national registry. 15:18 jwagner We just send our sites to the National Barcode Registry 15:19 jcamins The one maintained by Infor, right? Or is there another one, too? 15:19 jwagner I think that's it. 15:19 jwagner [off] Send requests to Peg Hoyt: peg.hoyt@infor.com -- 508-598-4063. 15:19 jcamins Thanks. That's the one I've been using. 15:21 jcamins Some states maintain their own registry, apparently. Massachusetts has a state-wide registry and gets assignments from the national registry. Georgia PINES does not use the national registry at all. 15:21 jcamins So I'm making a list. 15:21 jwagner good luck :-) 15:22 datadoctor We currently use this tool to display our messaging preferences: http://koha.smfpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/test/messaging.pl 15:22 jcamins jwagner: I'm going to need it. 15:23 jcamins datadoctor: custom script? 15:23 datadoctor Oops- I am realizing that link won't get one into the staff side 15:23 datadoctor Yes, it's a custom tool to read the messaging preferences. 15:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1263 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 15:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bdd1fde914157f0726d16a99853e2779e475423> / Bug 9307: QA Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2b49e1e288ab5155c2c369da91b9d9332261976> / Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=490688ea53 15:37 reiveune bye 15:43 datadoctor Posting messaging perl script and output template: http://pastebin.com/knaAJp9y 15:44 datadoctor And http://pastebin.com/RxDDBQAh 15:44 datadoctor Together these read out your messaging preferences in detail. 15:47 datadoctor My understanding is that the "letter code" is hard-coded, so it does not allow sms notifications to be added through the koha staff interface - they must be added to the database directly. 15:48 datadoctor For example, adding a HOLDS_SMS to the message_transports table. 15:48 datadoctor Has to be done manually 15:51 jcamins Right. Usually you'd add it with a patch. 15:53 datadoctor thanks that makes sense. I will try to document a patch.... 16:21 vfernandes jcamins 16:22 vfernandes changing 942$b to 942$a solve the problem 16:22 jcamins vfernandes: yay! 16:23 vfernandes now I have a error indexing records :D 16:23 vfernandes this is killing me... LOL 16:24 vfernandes [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) -> field 999 missing :/ 16:24 jcamins You are missing bib numbers. 16:29 vfernandes yes I know 16:30 jcamins Or, if the error is on authorities, your authids ended up somewhere weird. 16:30 jcamins The authid should be in 001. 16:30 vfernandes the error is in bibliographic records... 16:30 jcamins Oh. 16:30 * jcamins will let you fix the problem now. ;) 16:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1263: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1263/ 16:42 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9307 - Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management. 16:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9307: QA Followup 16:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9307: (follow-up) help text tweaks 16:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9307 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow libraries to add/edit status for suggestion management. 16:47 datadoctor I reformulated the messaging.pl and messaging.tt as a patch. 16:47 datadoctor http://pastebin.com/eDz5USKB 16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29edd3797a7c950664ebc3be272ad4dca2575a80> 16:51 nengard anyone around who knows style stuff? 16:51 nengard I'm wondering what code controls the color of the gray around the search box in ccsr 16:51 nengard i tried firebug but i can't find it 16:51 gmcharlt if anybody has Koha master running on MySQL 5.5 or MariaDB 5.5, I'd be curious to know if t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t is passing for you; ditto if you're running master on MySQL 5.1 16:51 pianohacker uh, hi libsysguy :) 16:52 libsysguy heya pianohacker 16:52 wahanui i think pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper. 16:52 jcamins gmcharlt: checking now. 16:52 jcamins It fails. 16:53 gmcharlt nengard: form#searchform, around line 135 of the CCSR colors.css 16:53 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "HoldsQueue.t under MariaDB 5.5" (42 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73 16:53 nengard gmcharlt when i change that it changes only the bottom of the gray 16:53 nengard that's what i thought it was ... 16:53 gmcharlt nengard: I find Chrome/Chromium's developer tools very hand for track this sort of thing down 16:53 jcamins gmcharlt: however, I'm pretty sure it used to pass. 16:54 gmcharlt jcamins: it passes on jenkins, which runs MySQL 5.1 16:54 jcamins gmcharlt: I think it used to pass on my system as well. 16:55 jcamins Actually, I see why it is failing, and I bet I can fix it. 16:56 jcamins I mean, on my system. 16:56 gmcharlt nengard: looks like bg-search-bar.png is being used to provide the color, by default, rather than plain CSS 16:57 nengard oh! 16:57 gmcharlt so form#searchform { background: COLOR; } should suffice to override it 16:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #1264 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:57 gmcharlt jcamins: which tests are failing? 16:58 jcamins gmcharlt: take from lowest cost branch (don't use cost matrix) holding branch 16:58 jcamins I suspect it's because dfa is lower case. 16:58 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, I've got a similar situation where my DB has an 'abc' library 16:58 gmcharlt sounds like the MySQL version is a red herring 16:59 jcamins Hm. I can't chang ethe code. 16:59 jcamins Okay, well, I think it's because of the lower case. 17:00 gmcharlt hmm 17:00 gmcharlt still failing for me after removing my 'abc' branch 17:01 jcamins Hrm. So much for that theory. 17:02 pianohacker gmcharlt: Would you like me to test in MySQL 5.5? 17:02 gmcharlt pianohacker: actually, 5.1 if you could 17:02 gmcharlt if it works for you, I can send you a dump of my current test database 17:03 pianohacker Hmm, on the mysql 5.1 machine I have access to, I don't have access to create a new DB 17:03 pianohacker apologies :/ 17:04 jcamins gmcharlt: if you want it tested on 5.1, I can do that. 17:04 gmcharlt jcamins: that would be great 17:05 gmcharlt pianohacker: thanks for checking 17:05 jcamins I have been terribly spoiled by my development server. 17:05 jcamins I no longer remember how I stood using Koha in this VM. 17:06 cait jcamins: i know that problem 17:06 jcamins Hm. Test failures here too. 17:09 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Failures on 5.1 instance" (128 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/74 17:09 gmcharlt jcamins: yep, same two tests are failing for me 17:10 jcamins I think that must be data, because that's under Squeeze with all the Squeeze versions of packages. 17:10 gmcharlt agreed, it's smelling like a data-dependent issue 17:13 gmcharlt found a clue -- passes if you turn off AutomaticItemReturn 17:14 gmcharlt ah 17:14 gmcharlt must be assuming that the starting state is AutomaticItemReturn off 17:16 gmcharlt OK, that gives me what I need to write a patch 17:16 jcamins Yay! 17:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:19 cait gmcharlt++ 17:19 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:19 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 31.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 17:20 magnuse wow, at 7 in the evening, even 17:21 magnuse cait: that's not normal, right? 17:21 cait it's quite hot yeah 17:21 cait very suddenly so 17:21 cait that's most of the problem i guess 17:21 cait and it's super hot at work :( 17:22 cait my apartment is nice, so I fled and went home early 17:22 mtompset Greetings, cait magnuse. 17:22 mtompset Has anybody here used OpacHiddenItems? 17:23 mtompset Is there a way to hide items based on the user logged in? 17:24 pianohacker answered confusing questions about it? Yes. Used it? Lord no 17:24 cait mtompset: no 17:24 pianohacker mtompset: To my knowledge it can only make that decision based on the contents of the record 17:24 cait mtompset: you can use everything that is in the items table tho 17:24 pianohacker If you're trying to avoid mucking with the code, I'd recommend jQuery hackery 17:24 magnuse cait: working from home sounds like a good idea, then, if you can 17:25 cait yeah it would be certainly easier 17:26 nengard jquery help :) I want to rename the log in box ... and I'm missing something (maybe capitalization again): 17:26 nengard $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("Log in to your library account"); 17:26 mtompset I'm just trying to figure out if there is the possibility of hiding items from an OPAC search from one category of patron, but not another. 17:27 pianohacker oy. that'd be even harder, and I don't know if you can do that in jQuery 17:27 jcamins mtompset: there is not with the current code. 17:28 mtompset would a patch that did that likely make it into the code base? 17:28 pianohacker mtompset: A small patch to expose certain patron attributes as a small JavaScript object on the OPAC would be useful 17:28 jcamins mtompset: depends how you did it. 17:28 cait pianohacker: hm wonder about the privacy of doing this 17:28 nengard pianohacker that was to mtopset not me right? (the jquery comment) 17:29 mtompset probably, nengard. :) 17:29 nengard whew 17:29 pianohacker cait: It would only be exposed to logged in users 17:29 nengard was gonna say, i know it's not that hard to do what i want 17:29 pianohacker nengard: one sec, testing 17:29 nengard :) 17:29 cait probably jsut being a bit careful :) 17:29 mtompset cait: That's a good thing! 17:30 pianohacker nengard: Yeah, capitalization. Change "Your Account" to "your account" 17:30 mtompset The problem with doing it in JavaScript, pianohacker, would be that the dataset would still be passed, as far as I know. 17:30 nengard yup 17:31 mtompset And that sort of defeats the purpose. You don't want data leaking. 17:31 pianohacker quick debugging tip: you can paste the first part of that ( $("#auth legend:contains('Log in to your account')") ) into the Web Console in the Firefox developer tools, and the length: property will tell you if it matched any elements 17:31 pianohacker plus you can fine-tune your selector right there 17:31 pianohacker mtompset: leaking to who? 17:31 jcamins mtompset: I still think you should find a way to make bug 9055 work for you, assuming the code is good. 17:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod 17:32 pianohacker mtompset: Oh, the data of the books themselves. Hmm 17:32 pianohacker Plus doing in JS would screw up the pagination a bit 17:32 mtompset Right... no leaking books. 17:33 jcamins Or don't try to use technology to solve a policy problem. 17:33 jcamins Actually, that last is my preferred solution. 17:33 pianohacker Step 1: Convince the librarian that it's a policy problem 17:35 jcamins pianohacker: one technique for doing that is coming back and saying "it can't be done, what about changing the policy to not be mental?" 17:36 gmcharlt bug 10495 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10495 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t can fail unnecessarily 17:37 cait mtompset: maybe if they want all their own things they shouldn't be in one koha installation together? 17:37 mtompset Hmmm... bug 9055 looks like it has potential. 17:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod 17:37 pianohacker jcamins: Heh, yeah, have used that often. bit of a gamble but sometimes works 17:38 mtompset jcamins: I understand why you say don't use technology to solve a policy problem. 17:38 drojf hi #koha 17:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 17:38 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.8°C (7:13 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 17:38 drojf meh 17:38 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:38 cait meh. 17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (7:35 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 17:38 cait that's a lie! 17:38 cait @wunder Singen 17:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Schaffhausen, Schaffhausen, Germany is 29.4°C (7:37 PM CEST on June 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 17:39 cait hm 17:39 cait must be a lie. can't trust it and go outside. 17:39 mtompset cait: It isn't a matter of wanting their own things. It's a matter of certain items in certain countries could have serious negative impacts, and only trusted sources should know. 17:39 cait um. 17:39 pianohacker mtompset: What on earth kind of library are you working with? 17:39 drojf you are cataloguing secret things? 17:39 * drojf and the nsa listen in 17:40 mtompset Let's use a completely hypothetical situation. 17:40 jcamins [off] I know people who were on a mission with mtompset's employers. It's true, that there's a security problem. But no amount of technology is going to make it safe. 17:41 mtompset Country X hates religion Y. 17:41 mtompset Library A is in country X and has items in their catalogue related to religion Y. 17:43 mtompset Now generally, local officials don't care about libraries, but if religion Y hater P finds out that there is such items in Library A. Library A could find itself burned down, staff killed, etc. etc. (super worst case scenario) 17:43 pianohacker .... O_o 17:43 jcamins mtompset: yes, and you know how we deal with that when they're walking around the campus with AK-47s? We don't put the book in the catalog. 17:43 pianohacker no shit 17:44 pianohacker Or separate internal Koha install 17:44 jcamins This is a separate issue from the branch access issue that you were asking about before, though. 17:44 gmcharlt or create a second catalog -- it's easier to secure an entirely separate Koha installation than to secure a mixed database 17:44 pianohacker yes 17:45 mtompset Okay, but then let's complicate the scenario. 17:45 jcamins [off] And to be clear, that wasn't hypothetical. What we did in that situation was not catalog the books, and lock it in a cabinet where only one person had the key. 17:46 mtompset Country X2 has a language similar to Country X. And said materials would be useful for person P2 to know about. 17:46 mtompset But P2 is in country X2 and not country X. 17:47 pianohacker The internal OPAC could have anonymous access disabled and passwords given to certain people 17:47 pianohacker but at some point you're facing a really sharp accessibility-versus-danger curve 17:47 mtompset Okay, this is where the SAML stuff I'm working on comes it. 17:48 drojf not the answer anyone is searching for, but if people are able to access the online catalog, i would provide them with a copy of a tor enabled operating system and a hidden service with scans if these books 17:48 mtompset I have an Identification Provider than knows if P2 is a partner or if P2 is part of the corporation. 17:48 drojf s/if/of 17:49 mtompset partners should not see hidden materials. 17:49 mtompset members of the corporation should. 17:50 mtompset ^than^that^ 17:51 mtompset Anyways... that's the type of conversations I'm in the midst of right now. 17:52 pianohacker I love when technology discussions involve legally dangerous territory, truly I do :) 17:52 pianohacker sorry you're involved in that. 18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1264: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1264/ 18:12 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 7110: Renewal messages no longer displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled 18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7110 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Renewal messages still displays in OPAC if OpacRenewalAllowed is disabled. 18:14 pianohacker http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/53347746119/the-effects-of-tight-coupling 18:14 pianohacker aka, trying to change circulation behavior 18:33 chris_n pianohacker: LOL 18:41 cait libsysguy is missing us again.. :) 18:41 libsysguy yeah,I'm back and fourth on meetings 18:57 gmcharlt cait: chris_n: I'd like to call your attention to the comment I just added to bug 5366 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5366 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha does not work right with MariaDB 18:58 * cait checks 18:58 cait oooh as we are talking database 18:59 cait i have filed a bug about finescap - could someone take a quick look at the sql i posted there maybe? 18:59 cait bug 10490 18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10490 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue fines cap (amount) in circulation rules is saved incorrectly (rounded) 19:00 cait gmcharlt: nice - so it looks like mariadb could be an easy switch? 19:01 gmcharlt cait: and quite possibly Percona, too 19:05 cait very nice :) 19:06 drojf gmcharlt: would it make sense to have patches on the bugtracker that are not supposed to go into koha (because they are not generic enough), but might be useful for some users? eg. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_and_old_books describes the use of MARC 901 + 902 specific to a part of switzerland. if they had a patch for that, could that be in bugzilla so others can find it? 19:06 cait hm maybe it could be a branch even? 19:06 cait might be easier to deal with 19:07 gmcharlt drojf: yeah, my inclination would be more storing them in Git repos on git.k-c.org 19:07 gmcharlt e.g., the contrib/global repository 19:08 drojf ah yes that makes sense 19:08 drojf thanks 19:12 chris_n gmcharlt: comment posted 19:15 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks 19:15 gmcharlt cait: comment added to your bug 19:19 cait gmcharlt: thx! 19:19 cait gmcharlt: i will try to work out a patch - it's rather annoying for us... our libraries have kind of standardized on 4.50 19:20 cait so it's a blocker right now 19:25 gmcharlt cait: an easy one to fix, forutnately 19:25 cait yeah, just a time problem on my side 19:25 cait as always 19:26 cait maybe tomorrow 19:28 gmcharlt what, haven't I pushed the patch for b ug 666666666: grant one more hour per day to each Koha contributor ? 19:29 pianohacker oh lordy please 19:30 gmcharlt rangi: how difficult would it be to add jenkins slaves? 19:31 jcamins Noooo! An error occurred when I tried to watch a video of a new tie knot! 19:38 jcamins Okay, none of these knots work at all with regular ties. I don't believe that those are regular ties he has. 19:38 drojf fake tie video performer ties? that's outrageous! 19:39 cait can we have 10? 19:39 cait hours? 19:42 pianohacker jcamins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YznKoRMq04 19:42 jcamins I found a tie that worked. 19:42 jcamins pianohacker: yeah, that's one of the ties I'm trying to get away from. 19:43 pianohacker heh. because of showy complication, or... ? 19:43 jcamins Because it's too normal. 19:43 jcamins I wear an Eldredge or Trinity every day. 19:43 pianohacker hahahahaha oh man 19:43 pianohacker what are you going for, then? 19:43 jcamins If I'm going to keep my reputation for unusual neckwear, I need to step it up. 19:43 jcamins Orrr... wear my ascot! 19:44 jcamins :D 19:44 mtompset Next, we'll be calling you Fred, jcamins. :P 19:44 jcamins This is the knot I just tied: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z5sWQNWzsCk 19:45 * jcamins likes to think he pulls off unusual neckware with panache and style. 19:46 jcamins Though if I manage _impressive_ goofiness, that'd work too. 19:46 jcamins But I live in New York, so "dressing goofily" is nearly impossible, in comparison. 19:46 pianohacker If you have a stoner friend with a great dane, I swear to god 19:46 jcamins lol 19:46 jcamins Nope. I can't stand dogs. 19:47 rangi gmcharlt: trivially easy, i used to have my machine here as a slave 19:47 pianohacker ah. okay. you're a bond villain. nooooow we're on the same page 19:47 rangi gmcharlt: i just need an passphrase less ssh key 19:48 gmcharlt rangi: cool -- what I have in mind is one that uses MariaDB 5.5 19:48 rangi good plan 19:49 rangi i had one that was buidling the packages 19:49 rangi and then another doing in install, and running mechanize tests 19:49 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_install/ 19:50 rangi that used to run on workbuffer.org (my machine) 19:51 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_install/lastCompletedBuild/console 19:51 rangi was quite useful 19:51 rangi but yeah more slaves would be good, and more mechanize tests :) 19:52 * rangi has to take kids to school soon 19:53 cait http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=gUVBQ00iwTI < has a cape - looks right for someone with superlibrairan permissions :) 19:53 cait that was for jcamins of course 19:54 jcamins cait: that was the one I wanted to do before I settled on the one I did. The problem is it requires a wider tie. 19:56 cait too bad 20:09 pianohacker ties <- the classy way for people who enjoy tying nots to have fun :) 20:12 cait hm thought sailing was for those :) 20:20 drojf i think i have never worn a tie and i don't intend to do so 20:20 drojf i enjoy #koha tie talk though. no idea why. :) 20:24 pianohacker cait: That's for people who enjoy tying functional knots under pressure, not pretty knots with all the time in the world :) 20:26 gmcharlt if one is using a sailor's knot for one's cravet, one is almost certainly making a mistake! ;) 20:26 gmcharlt *cravat 20:27 pianohacker "Well yah my tie may be ugly but she can hold up in the fiercest storm I tell you what" 20:28 cait pianohacker: aaah, i understand :) 20:28 * cait has never worn a tie either 20:28 cait ;) 20:29 cait sorry, slow reader tonight... 20:40 * mtompset smirks, "Jesus never wore a tie." 20:40 mtompset Well, I'm off. Thanks for the feedback guys. 20:40 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period) 20:43 drojf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNJK1jICUAA_Mn2.jpg:large :D 21:18 drojf good night #koha 22:19 eythian hi 22:28 cait hi eythian 22:28 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:28 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4°C (12:25 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 22:29 eythian hello cait 22:29 wahanui hello cait are you here? 22:29 eythian that's far too warm for that time of day 22:29 eythian @wunder nzwn 22:29 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising). 22:29 eythian preferable to that though I suppose 22:29 ibeardslee really? that warm? 22:30 * eythian has trouble sleeping when it's too warm 22:30 wizzyrea you haven't lived until you've slept in a house with no AC with the low for the night at 25. Probably you'll end up not sleeping. 22:31 * ibeardslee has done 22:31 eythian yeah, I stayed at a friend's place in Canberra like that once. 22:31 eythian I think the low was about 30 :/ 22:33 wizzyrea it's...unpleasant 23:28 pianohacker Good night 23:28 wahanui I watch you sleep. 23:29 pianohacker jaysis _christ_ 23:33 cait creepy eh? 23:33 cait :) 23:33 cait Good night 23:33 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait. 23:37 wizzyrea good night. 23:38 wahanui I'll be waiting for you to come back, wizzyrea. 23:38 wizzyrea i know 23:45 eythian wahanui: good night is also <reply>Don't go, $who. Stay a while. Stay forever. 23:45 wahanui okay, eythian. 23:57 wizzyrea lol 23:59 Brooke o/