Time Nick Message 23:56 mtompset I am working on a fix... it's just that the scope of my fix keeps creeping, it would seem. 23:47 dcook As much as I might complain about some parts, the only solution is to write a fix :p 23:47 * dcook points to what eythian said 23:43 mtompset Eeeww... though the parameter names seems to be a misnomer in the case of checkdigit. If you choose kapito checkdigits and nounique=0, then it really is unique, because it checks the checksum digit. 23:40 eythian code issues aren't a terrible surprise :) 23:39 mtompset Okay, I over-reacted a little, but the latter does prove my point that there's a code issue with the former. :) 23:36 mtompset should the validation and the generation functions for cardnumber be split like that? 23:33 eythian oh, right 23:33 mtompset I'm not reacting to your suggestion of grep -r, eythian. 23:33 jcamins Or -r. Whichever. 23:33 mtompset checkdigit looks awfully like fixup_cardnumber. 23:33 eythian less ugly 23:33 pianohacker ag! 23:33 jcamins mtompset: `grep -R C4::Members::weightings *` 23:33 mtompset AAAAAA.... more ugly. 23:32 * eythian points out grep -r 23:32 mtompset C4::Input.pm 23:32 mtompset cd kohaclone;grep "weightings" `find .` 23:31 jcamins mtompset: no, putting the variable inside the routine is less ugly. 23:31 jcamins And probably not hardcoded. 23:31 mtompset Aaaaaa.... more ugly. 23:31 jcamins Yeah, that should be a my inside the subroutine. 23:31 rangi it should be avoided at all opportunities 23:31 rangi the only reason we need to use an our, is a hack around the fact we are running through plack with a cgi wrapper 23:30 eythian (not that it doesn't happen, mind) 23:30 eythian It's rare to need them 23:30 mtompset (and more what is expected?) 23:30 eythian I'd generally avoid using either 23:30 mtompset 'our' or 'use vars' would be more Plak friendly? 23:30 jcamins Thanks. 23:30 jcamins eythian: that's what I'd expect, too. 23:29 eythian so I'd expect using 'my' to locally scope them, which probably isn't what you want. 23:29 mtompset I'm just trying to make sense of it, because something is fishy about this function in general, and the more I work through it. The more I find ugly. 23:29 eythian use vars is like 'our' 23:28 jcamins Actually, I was asking because I thought eythian probably knew. 23:28 mtompset I didn't write that code, so don't ask me. :) 23:28 jcamins That looks wrong to me. If you're using use vars, don't you not use my? 23:27 mtompset That's 8 numbers. 23:27 mtompset It runs from 0-7. 23:27 mtompset ~924. 23:27 mtompset But in the fixup_cardnumber, there is a $i loop. 23:26 mtompset ~ line 889 in master. 23:25 mtompset There are 7 numbers in it, right? 23:25 mtompset Just before the sub there is a @weightings declaration. 23:24 mtompset There's a sub fixup_cardnumber. 23:24 jcamins Right, good point. 23:24 dcook mtompset: You poor soul 23:24 eythian ah 23:24 eythian oh, no. I mean browser tabs 23:24 jcamins eythian: as it happens, tabs (i.e. \t) break the OPAC browser. 23:24 mtompset I'm looking at C4::Members.pm 23:24 jcamins *saying 23:24 jcamins eythian: oh, I see what you're sayin. 23:23 eythian well, that sounds like what you're asking, or isn't it? 23:23 mtompset Could I get a second set of eyes, to make sure I'm not seeing things. 23:23 jcamins eythian: right, I planned not to do that. 23:23 wahanui i guess mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 23:23 dcook hey mtompset 23:23 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 23:22 eythian jcamins: don't do the thing that means tabs break everything. 23:20 jcamins So here's a question: is it necessary to plan for multiple simultaneous searches in a single session, or can I make the one-search-at-a-time assumption that the OPAC does? 23:20 dcook hey ya cjh :) 23:20 cjh morning dcook 23:20 dcook morning #koha 23:16 cjh :) 23:16 jcamins cjh: the link eythian shared? 23:16 cjh I have no idea what you are talking about... 23:14 jcamins It appears to just be a counter that goes up. 23:14 jcamins Really? Does it get more interesting after the first ten seconds? 23:09 cjh awesome game, spent far too long playing it. 23:08 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:08 eythian wahanui: candy is at http://candies.aniwey.net/ 23:06 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 23:06 cait night all 23:06 rangi cya magnuse 23:05 magnuse have fun #koha! 23:05 * magnuse calls it a day (and the best part of a night) 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10473 major, P1 - high, ---, amitddng135, In Discussion , Max length should be 2 digit for adding multiple copies in add items page 23:03 magnuse eythian++ for the suggestion on bug 10473 22:54 NateC ok im out 22:48 pianohacker oh! That makes sense 22:46 eythian oh, I see. 22:46 jcamins eythian: oh. Paging like we have on the OPAC where you can click on a link to go to the next item in the results list without returning to the list. 22:45 eythian Like, history modification, or paging, or...? 22:45 eythian jcamins: I think perhaps, what do you mean by "previous/next browsing"? 22:44 jcamins The last 'S' is Software. 22:44 jcamins I guess that was redundant. 22:44 jcamins pianohacker: elegant implementations in F/OSS software. 22:44 pianohacker jcamins: what exactly do you mean by that? 22:43 jcamins Does anyone have any examples of previous/next browsing that are well-done? 22:43 * jcamins ponders. 22:38 * magnuse is generally in favour of things that work well 22:38 jcamins And I'm on the fence about whether it should be JS-based or not. 22:37 jcamins I would like to do it in a way that works well. 22:31 magnuse jcamins++ 22:31 * jcamins contemplates forward/next browsing in the staff client. 22:26 eythian yeah, that's slightly odd too 22:25 pianohacker huh. check the region on "koha software" 22:24 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 22:24 jcamins Interesting. 22:24 jcamins Huh. 22:24 jcamins Oh. 22:23 eythian http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=koha#q=space%20shuttle&cmpt=q <-- narp, not that. 22:22 jcamins They started tracking? 22:22 jcamins Hehe. 22:22 eythian I wonder what happened in september '08 22:22 eythian (yogurt in the fridge doesn't count!) 22:21 eythian jcamins: hey, it's the only culture you have ;) 22:21 jcamins Nice! 22:21 eythian http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=koha#q=koha%20software&cmpt=q <-- e.g. 22:21 jcamins Preferably with slightly less emphasis on US pop culture. ;) 22:21 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page/es <-- cool 22:20 jcamins Exactly. 22:20 eythian http://www.google.com/trends/ <-- then you could do stuff similar but different to this 22:19 eythian we have the data ourselves. Storing searches with a cumulative count and a day attached would let you build pretty graphs. 22:18 eythian (in this context) 22:18 eythian really, there's no reason to use it. 22:17 jcamins And I'm not really a huge fan of Piwik and JS-based tracking. 22:09 jcamins You could do log file analysis, but on the balance I suspect it would be less trouble to just patch Koha to track it for you. 22:07 jcamins The issue I have with using saved searches is that the useful analytics I'm envisioning would be anonymous, and those aren't. 22:07 magnuse rangi++ 22:06 cait rangi++ 22:06 rangi (i couldnt resist a bad prism joke) 22:06 wahanui none of that is currently in Koha. If you want to use it, you'll be pretty much on my own. 22:06 pianohacker none of that 22:06 cait rangi: what are yo udoing? 22:06 pianohacker rangi++ 22:06 pianohacker hey now 22:06 huginn rangi: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 22:06 rangi rangi-- 22:06 pianohacker jcamins: Ah, okay. So you could make the staff-side interface, but hooking it into the OPAC would be impossible 22:06 rangi for logged in users 22:06 rangi we do store them 22:05 cait hm not really 22:05 cait if we would store the searches somewhere you could... 22:05 jcamins pianohacker: you can add a link from the Tools screen or the Reports screen. 22:05 pianohacker jcamins: What are the available hooks? 22:05 jcamins Hooks to support that sort of thing might be cool, but that's definitely not something I'll be working on. 22:04 jcamins There are no hooks to support that functionality. 22:04 jcamins pianohacker: that wouldn't be suitable for a plugin at all. 22:04 pianohacker would be a perfect use case for a plugin, though you would have to dive into that can of worms 22:04 jcamins Yeah, so can I. 22:04 jcamins So, for example, "people doing title searches generally look at only one result" or "people doing complex boolean searches frequently look at dozens of records." 22:04 magnuse i can sort of guess at the result, but anyway ;-) 22:03 magnuse ah yes, very cool! 22:03 jcamins magnuse: I'd be interested to know how complex the searches that people are doing in the OPAC are... how much boolean logic, what indexes, and how many records they look at. 22:02 magnuse jcamins: not quite sure what you mean, but it does sound good :-) 22:02 jcamins I was thinking that building search analytics into Koha might be useful. 22:02 cait nope i don't think so 22:02 magnuse heh, i was just hoping i wasn't too impolite/unfriendly/abrasive/what have you 22:01 pianohacker There is an argument to be made for the maximum amount roughly matching the size of the field, but I don't think that was the intended purpose of the patch 22:01 cait magnuse++ yeah goo done 22:01 jcamins You know what I was thinking would be useful? 22:01 jcamins magnuse++ # coming up with a response that wasn't "are you kidding me?" 22:00 magnuse jcamins: i just disagreed with it and set it to "in discussion" 21:59 jcamins magnuse: I wondered about that bug as well. 21:55 rangi ah right 21:55 jcamins I think I fixed that, though. 21:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10473 major, P1 - high, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Max length should be 2 digit for adding multiple copies in add items page 21:55 magnuse see also bug 10473 21:55 jcamins I think one of the search routines forced binary MARC. 21:53 magnuse i had some weirdness after i addded ~3000 items, but i did not get around to investigate 21:52 cait rangi: was wondering the same 21:52 gmcharlt rangi: I rather suspect it is not needed, or can be made to be not needed 21:52 rangi is that needed now we use xml ? 21:52 eythian Not the future perfect tense, however, as it was discovered not to be. 21:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10482 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , add items limit and sort to rebuild zebra 21:52 rangi bug 10482 21:51 gmcharlt eythian++ 21:51 * eythian will accept patches to add conjugations such as "woil haven be" 21:49 * cait perks up at the mentioning of a time machine 21:47 * gmcharlt firmly opposes anything that would lead to wahanui thinking it can do anything other than live in the moment; doing otherwise risks it singularity-ing its way up to having a time machine, and that's just no good 21:47 magnuse :-) 21:47 eythian hei magnuse 21:46 magnuse kia ora eythian 21:44 pianohacker it wouldn'd be half as entertaining otherwise 21:44 pianohacker that's good! We don't need wahanui to be smart 21:44 eythian no "will be" for example :) 21:44 eythian no, just 'is' and 'are' :) 21:44 pianohacker hah! very flexible with its conjugations of "to be" 21:44 eythian heh 21:43 wahanui hello pianohacker are you there? 21:43 pianohacker hello pianohacker 21:43 pianohacker hello pianohacker are you there? 21:43 pianohacker hmm 21:43 pianohacker hello eythian 21:43 wahanui hello cait are you here? 21:43 eythian hello cait 21:43 cait hi eythian 21:38 eythian hi 20:45 magnuse but it's less than 4! 20:41 cait jcamins: three is some. 20:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9728: XISBN use bibliographic search instead of SQL to fetch related bibs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd7fbbd70d5004c7fcf3b9d6a1b26c73d3fcebaa> 20:36 jcamins Three! 20:36 cait yeah there were some... 20:34 jcamins Wow... I'd forgotten how many security releases we had in the 3.2.x line. 20:28 jcamins Something to point to when saying "seriously, you probably shouldn't be using 3.2.5 in production." 20:27 cait ? 20:26 jcamins Hey, do we have a list of security advisories? 20:19 magnuse okey, just a guess :-) 20:19 jcamins magnuse: no, I'm pretty sure Koya is still self-hosted. 20:18 magnuse possibly maybe "Koya University", based on this: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/9004 ? 20:15 jcamins Hey, which university in Iraq has BibLibre been working with? 20:15 * cait nods 20:12 jcamins rangi: but it's true! I consider you an expert in everything! 20:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10182: Stay on the same tab after saving a biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=85d1e35b6c377618882a985662dcc7fb7e7aba48> 19:44 * cait waves back 19:43 * magnuse waves 19:41 rangi see jcamins, not me! 19:41 wahanui gmcharlt is, like, an expert in all things library technology 19:41 rangi heya gmcharlt 19:38 gmcharlt howdy rangi 19:38 rangi heya cait 19:37 cait morning rangi :) 19:37 rangi jcamins: that was mean! :) 19:36 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:36 rangi @later tell tcohen http://qunitjs.com/ <-- will help you refactor without causing regressions :) 19:29 nengard $("#privacy option[value='0']").hide(); 19:29 nengard oops 19:29 nengard http://catalog.frenchcc.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-privacy.pl 19:29 nengard anyone around who knows some jquery? If I want to hide an option from the privacy pull down in the opac what am i missing in this: 18:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9665: QA follow up fixing tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e0403372e608dc04d12ce5800a997dd3059e3df> / Bug 9665: add RIS and BIBTEXT bibliographic record export to staff interface <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b9a6d803f7ad11a4e077140820bfeda0d4d196a> 18:23 pianohacker adding zebra made things tougher, but, well, the alternative :) 18:23 pianohacker no undocumented requirements, etc. 18:23 pianohacker even git installs are so much better 18:22 pianohacker yeah 18:22 magnuse apt-get install koha-common? 18:22 bag I like the current install :D 18:21 bag yeah 2.2 was a harder one… I think dev-week was up there too 18:21 bag HA 18:21 pianohacker The only thing I've ever installed that was harder than Koha 2.2, for instance, was Request Tracker 18:21 magnuse hehe 18:21 pianohacker It makes me so happy that having to install things from CPAN is now considered odd and a bit of a showstopper 18:20 magnuse jcamins: oh, that might be, i'm definitely not up to date on it 18:20 cait i think it's not quite ready yet - clrh would know 18:20 jcamins magnuse: I don't think anyone is using it in production. Rennes switched to Zebra. 18:19 cait a search for solr in bugzilla might bring them up 18:19 cait there seems also to be a lto of bugs right now 18:19 jcamins bag: I'm not sure about that. I know that authorities aren't supported, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure I saw any hooks for Solr in Acq or Serials. 18:18 bag interesting jcamins I hadn't thought along the lines of not using serials etc… I just thought what you said above that some libraries are only in CPAN 18:18 pianohacker Was curious, as that was just starting when I left 18:18 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 18:18 magnuse search rewrite? 18:18 pianohacker Okay, cool. Thanks 18:18 jcamins I was never able to get it working. 18:17 magnuse pianohacker: and there has been worries about the footprint of Solr for small libraries with small servers - so it's desirable to keep Zebra as an option 18:17 jcamins I have no idea. 18:17 jcamins I think possibly using Solr also entails deciding not to use serials or acquisitions, but I'm not sure about that. 18:17 pianohacker But the speed and search quality are good enough? 18:17 pianohacker ahhh, that kind of tradeoff :) 18:15 jcamins And it requires you to install dependencies from CPAN, I think. 18:14 jcamins pianohacker: right now you have to choose between Solr and, for example, authority records. 18:12 pianohacker makes sense, the code seems ready. Are there things keeping Koha from eventually migrating to it? 18:12 magnuse pianohacker: as far as i understand there are libraries using it in production 18:11 magnuse w00t! 18:11 cait kia ora magnus :) 18:11 magnuse kia ora cait 18:10 pianohacker Hmm. What's the story with Solr? Seems like it's in an odd halfway-zone of used but not 18:02 magnuse tcohen++ for not giving up :-) 18:02 jcamins Ah. 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10471 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Global search input box and button geometry not always consistent (browsers, translations) 18:01 tcohen jcamins: gmcharlt made me notice my patch for bug 10471 broke several other places, which I'm trying to fix to see how this comes out 17:59 jcamins Which Frankenpatch is this? 17:58 gmcharlt tcohen: I thought it might 17:57 tcohen gmcharlt: the patch its getting bigger and bigger 17:39 kf bye all 16:26 Rotkiv Thanks for the help and bye! 16:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10256: Remove some unused subs from Overdues module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f20b248e7dd6e10b019b1ec27dfb04796e9b0a5> 16:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10291: Clarify misleading variable name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c3a28b64032d0dcad57df222c42e163385d2e98> 15:55 reiveune bye 15:36 Rotkiv Otherwise any good one I guess :) 15:36 Rotkiv To integrate fully in the web for the local community it's SiteVision. 15:33 gmcharlt do you have any particular CMS that you're targeting? 15:33 gmcharlt indeed 15:32 Rotkiv Thanks. Yes - integrating 90% is easy. It's the last bits like login and such things that makes it difficult. 15:30 gmcharlt and adding a catalog search box to a page managed by a CMS is easy, of course 15:30 gmcharlt there have been several bits of work to integrate Koha with Drupal, e.g., https://drupal.org/sandbox/jajm/1833210 15:30 Rotkiv I'm thinking about things like keeping the login at the top active when moving to pages in a CMS etc. 15:29 Rotkiv Is there any known ways to integrate cleanly with a CMS in the meantime? :) 15:29 gmcharlt cool 15:28 Rotkiv I'll be adding to the wishlist :) 15:27 Rotkiv Thanks! 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7840 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Remove from manual Koha as a CMS (or add it to master) 15:26 gmcharlt as far as a bug goes, bug 7840 might be a good place to add desiderata for the Koha-as-CMS hack 15:26 Rotkiv Ah - too bad :) 15:26 gmcharlt Rotkiv: ah -- I think tcohen was talking about something else, though 15:25 Rotkiv gmcharlt for adding wysiwyg that tcohen seems to at least have given some thought :) 15:24 Rotkiv The editable areas of Koha will take care of most of the needs I come across. But many also need static pages in a 2D-grid. 15:23 gmcharlt Rotkiv: bugzilla post for what? 15:23 Rotkiv Is there a bugzilla post for this? 15:23 tcohen of course gmcharlt, the boring part was all the places that need to be touched 15:22 Rotkiv Thanks! Sounds interesting (although not fun...) 15:22 gmcharlt and about to get even more boring, considering the places in acqui, cataloguing, admin, etc. that also adjust the global search box 15:21 tcohen is just much more boring than I thought :-P 15:20 gmcharlt tcohen: groovy 15:19 tcohen is not that hard to fix gmcharlt 15:19 gmcharlt Rotkiv: the Koha-as-CMS workaround should continue to work just fine; however, it doesn't offer WYSIWYG editing 15:17 Rotkiv Or is it best to just try to integrate with a CMS? 15:17 Rotkiv And at best - the possibility to create a 2-dimensional navigation with both topbar and left hand nav. 15:17 Rotkiv And does this provide wysiwyg editing? 15:15 Rotkiv Hi! Does anyone know if the "Tiny CMS"-function will work well with the new theme? (it's branded as for 3.4 and later on the wiki) 15:15 tcohen at least the bug is confirmed, what a relief :-P 15:14 tcohen i shouldn't have looked at circulation and mainpage only 15:14 gmcharlt ;) 15:14 * gmcharlt readies rope to rescue tcohen 15:13 tcohen oh, it breaks it 15:12 tcohen should I look how does my patch behave with members-home.pl? 15:11 * tcohen loves learning new words 15:09 gmcharlt tcohen: re 10471, what members/members-home.pl does to the global search box is especially egregious 15:08 wahanui well, kohacon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 15:08 tcohen kohacon13? 14:58 gmcharlt tcohen: yes 14:58 tcohen that's an unpatched master checkout gmcharlt, right? 14:56 tcohen hmm 14:55 gmcharlt Version 27.0.1453.110 m 14:55 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm -- looks OK to me http://librarypolice.com/~gmc/koha-global-search.png 14:51 Oak kf emailing a friend about something different :) 14:51 kf i didn't notice that so far 14:51 kf oh 14:50 tcohen should look like this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=19023 14:50 tcohen is shorter than the line 14:49 tcohen the search box 14:48 kf what am i looking for there? 14:48 kf tcohen: hm no chrome at work 14:48 tcohen kf: does master look like this on chrome for you? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=19024 14:45 kf Oak: still thinking? :) 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10471 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Global search input box and button geometry not always consistent (browsers, translations) 14:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10396: remove unnecessary date-picker widgets from Catalog statistics form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7bfba8a106fbb00331e16dbc0943226bad24668> 14:44 tcohen bug 10471 14:16 Oak kf: yes i am thinking how to formulate my question. 14:16 tcohen processing on the browser 14:15 tcohen but looks like we don't need that 14:15 tcohen haven't digged deeper on that (not an jqueryui expert) 14:15 tcohen as the jquery.autocopmlete API expects a JSON to do all the job, and we are building the list on our own... 14:15 gmcharlt tcohen: yep, sounds reasonable 14:14 kf Oak: it probably depends on your question :) 14:14 tcohen the refactoring *might* include rewriting the method that creates the list of values 14:14 kf bgkriegel++ tcohen++ thx! 14:14 tcohen and on a per-syspref basis, call ir on document,ready where applicable 14:13 tcohen its just having a single js function with formid and inputid as parameters, and does everything to set the autocomplete feature 14:12 gmcharlt could you expand a bit on what you're proposing? 14:11 gmcharlt tcohen: probably 14:06 Oak but you all are. 14:06 Oak but he is the most busy one as well. 14:06 Oak :) 14:02 jcamins Oak: as a general rule, rangi is the expert in everything. 14:01 Oak kf, who among us is the database design expert? 13:56 tcohen said he'll re-run the indexing scripts 13:55 tcohen he was just walking 13:51 kf I don't want to stress him about ti 13:50 kf i just wrote him - I think it has a bit of time, but thx :) 13:50 tcohen he's not answering on talk, i'll give him a phone call 13:49 kf tcohen: i am writing him, thx for checking :) 13:46 kf ok, not good, but at least not doing it wrong :) 13:45 tcohen you're right, is not working 13:45 kf today is a werid monday... 13:45 kf just to make sure I am not doig it wrong? 13:45 kf tcohen: could you do me a favor and try it in german too? 13:45 kf tcohen: i will thx 13:42 tcohen email bgkriegel please 13:42 tcohen works for spanish 13:39 tcohen the filters are set to incomplete by default 13:39 Oak uh oh 13:39 Oak kello kf 13:38 kf hi oak 13:38 kf it works in Danish 13:38 kf because i have a wrong translation in german, but it gives me no results 13:37 kf i am looking for score 13:37 kf yeah 13:37 tcohen problems with pootle? 13:37 kf tcohen: maybe you can help... i have problems with searching the german po files :( 13:35 tcohen hi kf 13:35 kf good morning tcohen 13:31 kf for now 13:31 kf jcamins: 2? :) 13:30 tcohen gmcharlt: do u agree we could have parametrizable javascript code to inject the autocomplete code on a per--syspref basis? 13:26 jcamins Good morning. 13:16 tcohen hi jcamins 13:15 tcohen morning #koha 13:02 jcamins kf: how many OPACs are you coloring? 12:51 kf i have one in orange and one in green so far hehe 12:51 Viktor_away kf - Coloring is fun. We stared last week and had real fun. 12:51 jcamins kf: fun! 12:50 * kf is coloring opacs today 12:50 kf we probably are.. 12:50 kf he miht show up if we keep talking about him :) 12:50 Viktor And I hope you lovely people are here later too because my coworkers is taking a coffebreak :) 12:50 kf I know he is working on some dictionary project... samian? 12:49 Viktor I'll talk to him about the file later then. 12:49 kf i wish i could find scores in pootle... someone translated it to 'points' instead of 'written music' 12:49 Viktor I do like the libraries too - it's one of the few places you can sit for a while without opening the wallet. 12:48 kf he has reasons :P 12:48 Viktor jcamins ;D 12:48 kf i always used to sit in the library with my laptop... good wifi... nice quiet atmosphere... :) 12:48 jcamins Viktor: don't worry, it's just drojf. 12:47 Viktor kf Hm - so people here are actually _using_ libraries too? not shure how to feel about that ;) 12:47 kf there he went to that lengths to be pretty to say goodbye to you and you don't take a photo 12:47 kf jcamins: !! 12:47 jcamins I had been owned by a cat for only a few months, and Shari was of course out all day. 12:47 jcamins No, I was too upset about it to think of that. 12:47 kf Viktor: he was here this morning, not sure where he is now - maybe studying in the library :) 12:46 kf do you have photos? 12:46 kf jcamins: lol 12:43 jcamins The first time I flew to Europe after we moved to NYC, an hour and a half before I was due to leave to catch my plane he managed to dye himself blue from nose to toes. 12:43 Viktor Expecting drojf to show up today? (Got the start of a sort of dictionary that we talked about a while back) 12:42 jcamins Actually, he just likes blue ink. 12:42 kf jcamins: oooh he thinks the color suits you :) 12:42 jcamins Myshkin managed to cover me with blue ink. 12:42 Viktor And - Hello all :) 12:41 Viktor :) 12:41 jcamins He wanted you to know he was thinking of you. 12:41 nengard hello and goodbye ... 12:40 AmitG heya nengard 12:33 nengard and i'm in FF 12:33 jcamins Got it. 12:33 kf oh chrome 12:32 nengard so it wasn't in the url 12:32 jcamins Chrome starts autocompleting URLs that include search strings about once every other week for me. 12:32 nengard so what I did was i clicked 'receive' and the tiny search box to the right of the list of titles you can recieve - the datatable - had a search i had typed in there ages and ages ago 12:32 jcamins Okay. 12:32 nengard :) 12:32 nengard no 12:32 jcamins I have no idea what you mean by "it remembered a search," but assuming you mean "my web browser automatically took me to a page that had prefilled a search for the term 'chris,'" the solution is to delete that URL from your web browser's history. 12:31 nengard me too! 12:31 kf but i am happy receiving is not broken :) 12:31 kf might have a similar brain then 12:31 nengard thought it was my monday morning brain 12:30 nengard me either 12:30 nengard oh good 12:30 kf jcamins: i couldn't follow you 12:30 jcamins nengard: if you mean the web browser auto-remembered, what I do is delete the items with search terms from my history when it starts autocompleting a search and not just the search page. 12:28 nengard i think i might report that as a bug cause i had to have done that weeks ago!!! 12:28 nengard it remembered a search of mine for 'chris' in the acq search 12:28 nengard omg i figured it out 12:28 kf but it should not make a difference I think... there is not really something acq related in the patches gone in yesterday. hm. 12:27 kf like crate a new branch and do a git reset --hard HEAD~5 or so? 12:26 kf can you test maybe to go back a little? 12:25 kf not sure, can't test here :( 12:24 nengard k 12:24 nengard hmm 12:22 kf i used an older order and a new order 12:22 kf i haven't had that happenign 12:21 kf we used tot tell the libraries not to close... 12:21 nengard i see them when i do a search and view the basket 12:21 nengard no order lines to receive 12:21 kf it just shows no order lines? 12:21 nengard of course 12:21 kf better to close it when you want to look for late orders and the like 12:21 nengard i even created a new order today and tried that and tried and old order 12:21 kf i think it's more strict now 12:21 kf i can only say that it did work yesterdy 12:21 nengard you didn't always have to close a basket 12:20 nengard i tried both ways 12:20 nengard and no 12:20 kf hm 12:20 nengard yes 12:20 kf did you close the basket? 12:20 kf oh 12:20 kf just trying to think about the mistakes i normally make :) 12:20 nengard i tried 2 vendors 12:20 nengard but i have 102 bibs waiting to be received 12:20 kf same vendor? 12:20 nengard there is nothing to receive 12:20 nengard yes 12:20 kf you placed the order with acqcreateitem set to 'on order'? 12:19 kf testing master from yesterday, not sure anything related to receiving went in today 12:19 kf hm i coudl receive normally yesterday 12:19 nengard is there a bug or a data problem on my end? 12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , acq data going on first item even if not received 12:19 nengard can you? 12:19 nengard kf i was trying to test bug 9948 again ..but i can't receive anything in today's master 12:06 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 12:06 kf @later tell bgkriegel - it seems to happen only for german? i tested basque and that seemed to work alright :( 12:03 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 12:03 kf @later tell bgkriegel I have problems with searching in pootle, could you take a look? 11:39 christophe_c ;-) 11:39 kf christophe_c: np, i was afk too :) 11:37 christophe_c hello kf :-[ in late ... I was afk ;-) 08:48 Shalom anyone know how to stop authorities creation from acquisition? i don't want to create the author authorities when i enter an order to the system 08:38 cjh 22nd-ish :p 08:36 kf cjh: hm yeah... release soon? :P 08:23 cjh I dont really deserve the +s, only have to catch up because I got behind :) 08:22 kf cjh++ :) 08:07 magnuse cjh++ 08:06 cjh found some time to catch up on my rmaint-ing :) 07:56 kf hi magnuse and christophe_c 07:40 magnuse wb kf 07:38 christophe_c bonjour magnuse ;-) 07:38 kf good morning #koha 07:34 magnuse hiya AmitG 07:33 AmitG hyea magnuse 07:32 magnuse bonjour christophe_c 07:32 * magnuse agrees with drojf :-) 07:28 drojf 9am 07:28 christophe_c hello #koha 07:27 drojf not sure if i need 26°C at 9pm on a work day ;) 07:27 marcelr ok 07:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:26 marcelr just 10 degrees lower 07:26 drojf :) 07:26 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 16.0°C (8:55 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:26 drojf @wunder amsterdam, netherlands 07:26 marcelr scary 07:26 paul_p marcelr lol... 07:26 marcelr idem 07:26 huginn marcelr: Error: No such location could be found. 07:26 marcelr @wunder Netherlands 07:26 paul_p marcelr what about moving to Marseille ? Nice place, beach, a lot of Koha activity, and it exists :D :D 07:25 paul_p marcelr = bad news, you live in the limbo... 07:25 marcelr i cannot be found 07:25 marcelr :) 07:25 huginn paul_p: Error: No such location could be found. 07:25 paul_p @wunder amsterdam 07:25 paul_p hi marcelr 07:19 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:19 magnuse paul_p: looks like it 07:18 marcelr hi france & magnuse 07:13 paul_p mmm... translate.koha-community.org is down ? 07:13 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:13 magnuse that's better 07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:12 magnuse @wunder boo 07:12 paul_p hello #koha 07:12 magnuse wow! 07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:12 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:05 Joubu hello #koha 06:37 laurence hi AmitG 06:37 AmitG heya laurence 06:36 reiveune hello 06:28 marcelr cait++ #qa 06:28 marcelr good morning #koha 06:25 * magnuse waves again 06:16 sophie_m hello #koha 06:13 drojf hi cait 06:11 cait hi drojf 05:56 drojf hi dcook 05:53 dcook morning drojf 05:51 drojf good morning #koha 05:33 dcook It wasn't very loud, but that laugh was audible 05:33 dcook lol 05:32 eythian dcook: it's like the old saying goes: give a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. 05:31 dcook Also, I love how eythian always has a link for that 05:30 dcook Comic books and graphic novels are totes different.. 05:28 dcook eythian: #16 05:28 eythian http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/translate.koha-community.org <-- yep 05:26 magnuse http://translate.koha-community.org/ down? 05:26 * magnuse waves 05:16 wahanui hello cait are you here? 05:16 eythian hello cait 05:16 * cait waves 05:15 eythian http://open.salon.com/blog/jlsathre/2013/05/16/25_things_im_learning_from_closing_a_bookstore 05:00 AmitG heya dcook 05:00 AmitG cait 05:00 dcook hey ya cait, AmitG 05:00 AmitG heya mtj around 04:36 eythian ah 04:36 dcook Yep 04:36 eythian oh, was this the host server? 04:35 dcook Even when no VMs are running? 04:35 eythian I wouldn't be, virtualbox is providing the networking. 04:34 dcook Although I was a bit surprised that VirtualBox would interfere with the connection between the server and the router :S 04:34 dcook That's about the only thing that I can think that could possibly maybe do it 04:33 eythian *odd 04:33 eythian well, you can manage vbox's dhcp server, maybe its networking config had gone a bit off. 04:33 dcook And I didn't notice until it came time to boot the next morning.. 04:32 dcook I half wonder if somehow VirtualBox buggered something up... 04:32 dcook It wasn't until the next morning, when I went to install an SSH server (so I could work from the comfort of bed), that I found no connectivity 04:32 dcook Internet worked fine 04:31 dcook I had installed VirtualBox, Google Chrome, and a flash plugin for Chromium on Saturday night... 04:31 dcook Reset the router a few times.. 04:31 dcook eythian: Really odd. I combed through forums and tried everything, but nothing worked. 04:31 dcook (I wonder a bit if I had run the utility in Gparted then gone back into my Debian install if it would've worked...) 04:30 dcook :S 04:30 dcook Although I could after I ran that utility 04:30 dcook Since I couldn't connect to the internet through the Gparted dvd either 04:30 eythian that's kinda odd really 04:30 dcook When I was using GParted, I did run the network config utility that's packaged with it 04:30 dcook Mind you... 04:30 dcook After the re-install, no problems with internet connectivity 04:30 dcook It seemed to 04:29 dcook If I gave it a static one, it could connect to itself but couldn't ping the router or anything else 04:29 eythian in that case, a reinstall isn't likely to help 04:29 dcook It seemed like the router wasn't giving the server an IP address 04:29 dcook Many many times 04:29 dcook Did that 04:29 eythian you probably just needed to edit /etc/network/interfaces 04:29 dcook So I'm going over my notes again...trying to streamline it 04:28 dcook No idea how.. 04:28 dcook I had to re-install Debian yesterday as I somehow managed to totally screw up my network connection 04:28 dcook I just wonder if I'm missing anything 04:28 dcook I suppose I could be a pioneer in that 04:28 eythian wouldn't hurt to make one really. 04:28 dcook I was thinking that people probably wouldn't have checklists for that reason 04:28 dcook Makes sense 04:27 dcook I've just been pondering lately what all I'm missing from my Koha install 04:27 eythian we don't have one for systems stuff as that gets set up according to our standard methods anyway. 04:27 dcook Right, that makes sense 04:27 eythian the sort of thing that clients would need. 04:27 dcook lol 04:27 wahanui Catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts 04:27 dcook or Catalyst? 04:27 dcook Internal to Koha? 04:26 eythian we have one for clients, but that's more internal to Koha 04:26 dcook Such as setting up email 04:26 dcook While the package install takes care of most things, there are still a few things that a person needs to configure outside of it 04:26 wahanui eythian: huh? 04:26 eythian wahanui: koha installation checklist 04:25 dcook Random question while I remember...does anyone have/know about a "Koha Installation Checklist"? 04:18 dcook All the bugs... 04:00 dcook The second h is for hungry... 03:59 dcook Bug report written up. Time for lunch.h 03:50 dcook Still broken though :p 03:50 dcook Mmm, I think I'm following this "guarantor" thing a lot more now... 03:35 eythian heh 03:34 dcook Although like you said...not that I haven't done that either.. 03:34 dcook Plus, just found one of these notes: "# An act of desperation" 03:34 dcook And it sure looks liike ugly code to me 03:34 dcook All I know is that it isn't doing what it says it's doing 03:33 * dcook shrugs 03:32 eythian if it's its own hashref, that's OK 03:31 dcook I think it takes a hashref and splits it out into an SQL where 03:31 dcook I don't think so. 03:30 eythian it sounds like a function is getting a hashref and modifying it 03:30 eythian oh, am I misreading. 03:30 dcook modifying your input? 03:30 dcook That note doesn't actually cover this case either.. 03:29 eythian modifying your input is generally frowned upon 03:29 dcook Mmm 03:29 eythian based on what you said 03:29 dcook eythian: Is that based on what I've said or a look at the files? 03:29 dcook night, jcamins 03:29 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:29 jcamins Hehe. 03:28 eythian And not that I haven't done it... 03:28 eythian at least it's documented, but still. 03:28 eythian that's bad programming right there 03:28 dcook a copy needs to be created in _filter_fields() below" 03:28 dcook "NOTE: Current implementation may remove parts of the iinput hashrefs. If that is a problem 03:28 dcook I think they might have a note that it doesn't do anything.. 03:27 dcook Hmm 03:20 jcamins bag can probably provide you with the spec, though. 03:20 jcamins However, I don't see an RFC. 03:20 jcamins I thought you might like an explanation of what it was supposed to be doing, so you could confirm that it had the behavior you wanted. 03:20 jcamins Oh, I wasn't proposing any major refactoring. 03:18 dcook Yeah...definitely has some issues...but I don't know if I particularly care. Me thinks it would involve quite a bit of rewriting to get it back to a state which doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense anyway 03:18 jcamins There's probably an RFC on the wiki explaining how it was supposed to work. 03:16 jcamins Not me. 03:16 jcamins *Ian 03:16 jcamins I did that for 3.4ish or 3.6ish. 03:16 jcamins Oh, yeah, the great patron search unification. 03:15 * dcook shrugs 03:13 dcook Which actually made sense 03:13 dcook I think part of the reason it worked in 3.2 is because it used a totally different sub 03:10 dcook [off] I didn't understand the first off, but I think I might follow now 03:10 jcamins [off] See the above [off] 03:10 jcamins Could well be. 03:10 dcook But everyone seems to be coming up which leads me to think that this "filter" doesn't work 03:09 dcook Search should only be bringing up borrowers with a category_type of "A" or "I" 03:08 dcook Guarantors should only be adults or institutions 03:08 dcook I think O_o 03:08 dcook Except...according to the code...it shouldn't 03:08 jcamins Oh, excellent! 03:08 dcook But the thing is...I think it's working in 3.8 without modification 03:08 jcamins The same modification should work. 03:08 dcook With a modification we made, apparently 03:07 jcamins And this worked in 3.2? 03:07 jcamins [off] It's an example of hyperflation of technical debt. 03:07 dcook Who wants professionals to be able to guarantee other professionals 03:07 dcook Well...we're upgrading another 3.2 client 03:07 dcook With good reason.. 03:07 jcamins I try to avoid C4::SQLHelper. 03:07 jcamins What are you trying to do? 03:06 dcook Yeah, that's what I'm looking at now 03:06 jcamins SearchInTable. 03:06 dcook I see no reference to category_type (unless it's referenced without its name) 03:05 dcook I see no joins 03:05 dcook Not borrowers.. 03:05 dcook Except category_type is a column in categories 03:05 dcook In theory 03:04 jcamins But that's a keyword search for abcd, limited by category_type, probably ordered by surname. 03:04 eythian oh, right. I don't know. 03:04 dcook I don't see any way that the category_type is ever searched 03:04 jcamins I've never looked at the code. :( 03:04 eythian what about it makes no sense to you? 03:04 jcamins The fact that that make perfect sense to me frightens me beyond all measure. 03:03 dcook Good call, jcamins. Good call ;). 03:03 dcook hehe 03:03 dcook Or how it's implemented in guarantor_search.pl 03:03 * jcamins wanders in the opposite direction singing about gentlemanly tones. 03:03 dcook This example makes no sense to me : $borrowers = Search({''=>'abcd', category_type=>'I'}, 'surname'); 03:03 jcamins Yeah, C4::Members::Search. 03:02 dcook The Search sub in Members.pm :p 03:02 dcook Errmm Maybe I meant Members(Search) 03:02 jcamins C4::Members::Search? 03:02 dcook Members::Search...what? 02:56 * jcamins wanders through humming For I Hold That On The Sea. 02:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10439: fix bug preventing the library for a notice from being changed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77a5e3e365a50b02c9f224d731e05de90fc667c9> 01:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10464: Patron search on placing a hold now supports autocomplete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc94a9bef79dc6d186fe93d82dac10cab0468d24> 01:05 dcook bgkriegel: Sounds good :). Thanks for looking into it for me. 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Add sorting to lists 01:03 jcamins bug 9458 01:03 bgkriegel dcook, does not apply cleanly, I need to look deeper.Anyway I normally wait for 3.12 branch first, and we are in string freeze right now. So it must wait to 3.10.8 01:01 jcamins And, for those of you wanting the green tea chocolate cookie recipe: 2 sticks butter, softened; 2 c. sugar; 2 eggs; 2 tsp vanilla extract; 3/4 c. cocoa; 2 Tbsp fine sencha; 2 c. flour; 3/4 tsp. baking soda. 00:55 dcook Cool. Thanks :). 00:55 bgkriegel Hi dcook, let me look 00:54 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 00:54 dcook @later tell bgkriegel case = chance 00:53 dcook Err 00:53 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 00:53 dcook @later tell bgkriegel Any case of getting bug 9458 into 3.10.x? 00:52 dcook bgkriegel: Are you around? 00:35 jcamins Okay, let's see... 00:34 * dcook really needs to start baking this winter 00:34 dcook Oh right...I forgot about the rosemary ones. I think you sent me the recipe for that as well. 00:34 jcamins Green tea. 00:33 jcamins I already did rosemary the other day. 00:33 jcamins But what? 00:31 jcamins Nah, better make up something new. 00:29 dcook Mmm chewy... 00:28 jcamins Those are always good. 00:28 jcamins Chewy chocolate cookies? 00:27 jcamins dcook: you're welcome. 00:27 dcook jcamins: You always do an excellent job of making me hungry before lunch.. 00:27 dcook I don't know if I like any writer's idea of the future :p 00:26 rangi good writer, dont like his idea of the future tho :) 00:25 jcamins Yeah, I was not such a fan of Heinlein. 00:25 rangi starship troopers 00:24 rangi space cadet 00:24 jcamins I enjoyed some of Niven's books quite a lot. 00:21 dcook Never read any of his stuff either 00:21 dcook Saw Larry Niven at a con once. Odd fellow... 00:21 dcook rangi: What makes you say that? Not that I've ever read any Heinlein, but I'm curious. 00:21 dcook What else to bake... 00:18 dcook But I wanted to point out that Australia is weird...in their adherence to a single standard... 00:18 dcook Of course, I could just look it up... 00:18 dcook In Canada, we have both Celsius and Fahrenheit, but Australia is serious about its metric system 00:18 * jcamins contemplates what else to bake. 00:18 dcook Hmm, I don't know if our oven has Fahrenheit 00:17 jcamins Right now I'm chilling them because the dough is... a bit soft. 00:17 jcamins Bake at 350 degrees Fahrenheit, I think. 00:17 dcook hehe 00:17 jcamins dcook: since you are surely going to want to make them, the recipe is: 1 ripe mango, chopped; 1 stick butter, softened; 2 eggs; 1 tsp. vanilla extract; 2 c. flour; 3/4 tsp. baking soda; 1/4 tsp. salt; 2 Tbsp. unsweetened shredded coconut; 1 c. chocolate chips. 00:16 dcook I find it interesting although the plot is spotty especially at the end 00:16 rangi heinlein was a fruitloop 00:15 jcamins Okay, maybe not ever. I was never interested enough to see if anyone agreed with me. 00:15 dcook Surely, you're not the only one to be troubled by this :p 00:15 dcook jcamins: I have a limited knowledge of baking, but I figured that might be the case 00:15 jcamins Interestingly, I am the only person who has been troubled by this, ever. 00:14 jcamins I found it to be overly conservative, politically, a la Starship Troopers (the book). 00:10 cjh I found BSG really hard to get into. 00:07 jcamins However, sitting in bed with cookie dough sounds like a *great* idea. 00:07 jcamins I didn't like BSG. 00:06 jcamins It'll offset the fact that I'm going to use more baking soda than I generally would because baking soda will help the cookies bind. 00:06 jcamins dcook: actually, good news. 00:05 dcook We may have sat in bed last night with a bowl of Anzac biscuit mixture and a laptop with BSG season 1 00:05 dcook In either case...mango, butter, sugar...*drool* 00:04 dcook Interesting fact or potential problem? 00:03 jcamins That's pretty acidic. 00:03 jcamins 3.4-4.6. 00:02 jcamins Ooh, I wonder what the pH of mango is... 00:02 jcamins dcook: I have combined mango, butter, and sugar. 00:01 dcook How far along in the mission are you? 00:00 dcook Morning, jcamins. That sounds amazing! 00:00 jcamins Good morning, dcook. Operation Mango Chocolate Chip Cookie is a go.