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23:58 dcook Does this mean that we get to carry swords?
23:58 bag ;) winky smilely face is the way to go
23:58 rangi :)
23:56 bag for fun
23:53 bag I don't think so
23:53 bag wizzyrea++
23:51 wizzyrea such a thing is possible?
23:51 bag oh trea - he gets too much of me wizzyrea
23:49 wizzyrea trea too :p
23:49 bag dcook, wizzyrea, rangi, eythian - the usuals
23:48 dcook hey ya bag
23:48 bag heya oceana peeps
23:47 * dcook thumbs up
23:47 wizzyrea new with reference
23:47 dcook And reference the old one?
23:47 dcook Best to re-open the bug or create a new one?
23:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6067 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, When Add Duplicate changing framework would lose data
23:47 dcook bug 6067
23:46 dcook Hmm, always nice when a bug is fixed and then gets created again down the road...
23:45 dcook Quiet you
23:45 wahanui the is a stop word
23:45 dcook What the..
23:42 rangi :)
23:42 wahanui Send a patch!
23:42 rangi be rangi
23:42 rangi so
23:42 rangi the idea is it should reflect the history of the project, so its far more than just new developers and releases
23:41 rangi 201301612\tTomas likes beer\trandomfacts
23:41 rangi ie 20130622\t3.10.7 released\treleases
23:40 rangi so you can put date\ttext\tsomething
23:40 rangi the 3rd column is for describing
23:40 rangi its a tab separated file
23:39 rangi but yes we can easily pad that history file out more
23:39 rangi awards and stuff
23:39 rangi tcohen: i did do that
23:38 tcohen and, it should involve beer
23:37 tcohen not only the adoption of certain technology, but funny or interesting stuff people remember
23:37 tcohen we could try to take notes (like in history.txt) of important moments in koha's life
23:36 * dcook perks up
23:36 dcook tcohen: I heard beer.
23:36 dcook mtj: I'm certain it's used somewhere.
23:36 tcohen hmm, i have an idea of after-office activity for Reno which involves beer
23:36 mtj is the bi.marc data currently used anywhere in koha, or is it completely dead?
23:35 mtj eythian, yeah, that too
23:35 eythian it started to become a problem when you got too many items for a usmarc record to handle
23:34 tcohen (still)
23:34 tcohen a year and a half ago the docs told people to run rebuild_zebra without -x
23:34 dcook Hmm, maybe not Search.pm..
23:33 tcohen 2002
23:33 dcook mtj: I believe that Koha still uses the serialization sometimes...possibly in Search.pm
23:33 dcook They're pretty good terms
23:33 wizzyrea scourged too.
23:32 wizzyrea the word excoriated is simply not used enough in common language.
23:32 mtj and afaik, we added/switched to marcxml - but didnt remove the biblioitems.marc field
23:32 eythian possibly scourged and excoriated too.
23:32 wizzyrea they are bad and they should feel bad.
23:32 tcohen i cannot find the year MARCXML was standarized
23:32 dcook eythian: I couldn't agree more.
23:32 eythian and that person should be chastised.
23:31 eythian but if you find them, then someone is doing a bad job and not using an XML parser/writer.
23:31 mtj tcohen, yeah, raw usmarc was used in koha before there was a marcxml perl package, afaik
23:31 eythian Not that it doesn't happen
23:31 eythian dcook: you should never have malformed XML records.
23:31 dcook tcohen: I imagine
23:30 * dcook bets it might have to do with malformed xml records
23:30 dcook Mmm
23:30 tcohen i guess there's an historical explanation for the use of usmarc
23:30 dcook jcamins: Makes sense
23:29 dcook I wonder why Edmund found it faster to use usmarc than marcxml...
23:29 jcamins DOM, of course, is XML throughout the pipeline.
23:29 rangi thats why we hand it xml
23:29 dcook If that's the case, it seems rather backwards to hand Zebra usmarc, have it turn it into xml, then have it output usmarc
23:28 dcook Didn't know that it did. Interesting.
23:28 jcamins That's why GRS-1 uses Zebra's "xpath."
23:28 dcook Huh
23:27 jcamins I mean internally for indexing.
23:27 jcamins Nope.
23:27 dcook Isn't that a config option?
23:27 dcook Are you sure about that?
23:27 dcook Hmm...
23:27 jcamins The serialization is a lot faster, but Zebra converts MARC to XML.
23:27 dcook In that case, I see zero reason to keep the raw marc.
23:26 dcook jcamins: I can't say I'm surprised. It's second-hand info on my part.
23:26 tcohen indeed, will try it again with that 1.5M records database I have
23:26 jcamins dcook: actually, that rumor turns out to be wrong.
23:26 eythian though definitely parsing, and processing usmarc is faster, so you're probably right.
23:26 tcohen i found marcxml faster
23:25 eythian hmm, I actually thought it was the other way around, but it's been a long time.
23:25 dcook i.e. hundreds of thousands
23:25 dcook At least when doing enough records to notice a difference
23:25 dcook Rumour has it that usmarc is faster to index than marcxml
23:25 * pianohacker found a good time to leave ;)
23:24 eythian tcohen: but it's great for accessing records stored on tape...
23:23 dcook jcamins: Legend.
23:23 tcohen we should abandon the marc21 serialization format
23:23 dcook mtj: Right
23:23 jcamins dcook: yeah, I pushed fixes at the eleventh hour before the string freeze.
23:23 dcook jcamins: Sweet. They weren't last I looked but that was probably a few months ago now.
23:23 mtj example - new RDA 336, 337, 338 fields *aren't* valid for AACR2 records, so they would be disabled for the AARC2 fwrk?
23:23 jcamins dcook: our fixed field plugins are up-to-date.
23:23 dcook To be honest, I've never worked in a library that followed AACR2 100%
23:22 dcook So really...if we have MARC frameworks that match the most up to date version of the MARC21 spec, then people can do whatever they want
23:22 dcook Yay! :)
23:22 mtj ok, that all makes sense :)
23:22 dcook Which is something I don't think we've necessarily looked at yet...
23:21 dcook mtj: Also, some of the fixed fields (such as the 008) have different options available in RDA
23:21 dcook mtj: Yeah, I think update 16 or whatever it was is up to date
23:21 dcook You need different frameworks for RDA and AACR2, because you're recording information in different MARC tags
23:21 mtj yes, im assuming the latest marc21 spec here
23:20 dcook mtj: Hence the updates to MARC21 for the bibliographic and authority frameworks
23:20 dcook eythian: Right
23:20 eythian mtj: well, I suspect that MARC21 was also updated to account for RDA, so things will need to be changed to account for that.
23:19 dcook RDA changing many of the unimportant rules of transcription
23:19 mtj so, for koha… RDA and AARC2 frameworks would basically be the same, but with small changes for various default values?
23:18 dcook And how to transcribe the information from the item into the metadata record
23:18 eythian mtj: USMARC is the on-disk format (so is MARCXML), MARC21 is the schema used to allocate fields etc, AARC2/RDA are the style guide telling you how the fields should be used.
23:17 jcamins Therefore, despite the official standard being fixed in 2002, it continued to change thanks to copious amounts of red tape from our non-national library.
23:17 dcook Fair enough.
23:17 jcamins dcook: as far as I'm concerned, LCRIs are part of AACR2 in the US.
23:17 jcamins Well, when we weren't trying to actually provide useful information to patrons.
23:16 dcook Wasn't that the last revision of AACR2?
23:16 jcamins The Numismatic Society had them in paper up to about 2006. So we used AACR2 ca. 2006.
23:15 dcook Mmm, I forgot about those
23:15 jcamins ^^ not just keyboard mashing.
23:15 jcamins dcook: sure, but so have LCRIs for AACR2.
23:15 jcamins AACR2 and RDA have minutely different rules about unimportant things.
23:15 dcook (Although RDA did require changes to the MARC21 format as well)
23:15 mtj right, im slowly clicking to the difference
23:14 jcamins mtj: I think you're confusing formats (MARC21) and style guides (AACR2 and RDA)
23:14 dcook Well..
23:14 dcook mtj: RDA is essentially AACR3
23:14 dcook hehe
23:14 pianohacker ... please tell me that was keyboard mashing oh lord
23:14 rangi dont forget the AIJUW@
23:13 rangi only if you put the PYF and IAKA:DC in the right places
23:13 dcook O_o
23:13 mtj hmm, so a vaild AACR2 of RDA record could be created using the latest MARC21 spec…?
23:06 mtj fyi, that all sounds fine to me
23:03 mtj rangi, just read the email now...
23:01 pianohacker rangi: I think that was missing a few curse words, but yeah, about right
23:00 rangi aka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4
23:00 * rangi goes back to fighting self check machines
23:00 rangi mtj: see joys mail to the list, it seems a sep framework for RDA is more correct than overloadnig your aacr2 frameworks
22:43 eythian heh
22:41 jcamins eythian: yeah, I read that, thought about saying something, and decided I didn't want the personal response that was almost inevitable if I did.
22:35 huginn bag: druthb was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <druthb> mtompset: http://youtu.be/4FPGJrzzq_I?t=13s
22:35 bag @seen druthb
22:22 eythian hi tcohen
22:22 tcohen morning eythian
22:18 eythian hi
21:52 cjh morning
21:52 tcohen noon #koha
21:25 wahanui i think logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
21:25 trea logs?
19:02 tcohen snag.gy/cy3fc.jpg
19:02 tcohen yeah, it always happens to me :-(
19:01 oleonard_ Same link tcohen
19:01 tcohen not so pretty staff page (chrome): http://snag.gy/TpR8b.jpg
19:01 tcohen super pretty staff page (firefox): http://snag.gy/TpR8b.jpg
19:00 oleonard_ So, leaning on the power button and I reached back to plug in a peripheral was not the best idea
18:54 * oleonard pops some popcorn
18:54 oleonard Oh yay, the slow checkout times thread is back!
18:52 oleonard I don't see the problem you describe, so I wonder which page you're looking at.
18:51 tcohen i'm sutk on the patron-search box
18:50 oleonard On which page tcohen?
18:48 mtompset Okay, that was weird.
18:47 pianohacker oh god I think that coat wants to eat me :(
18:47 tcohen on Chrome the input box is smaller than the width of the tabs
18:46 tcohen oleonard, master looks great in both arab and en on Firefox
18:39 gmcharlt that's one way of putting it
18:39 jcamins That's impressive.
18:39 jcamins Wow.
18:39 jcamins lol
18:39 oleonard If the RM gets too crotchety he will crochet this for you and make you wear it: http://bodkin.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/amazing_fun_weird_cool_kyecrow-crochet-jumper-coat_200907232227222040.jpg
18:36 jcamins Better not to change too much or the RM might get crotchety.
18:36 jcamins I'll leave it as is in this patch, though.
18:36 jcamins oleonard: ooh, good idea!
18:36 oleonard We could put vendor info into the sidebar like it is with patrons
18:35 oleonard jcamins: Should the contact information even be on that screen?
18:35 oleonard jcamins: It looks jumbled to me too.
18:35 jcamins Regretfully.
18:34 * jcamins sets it back to the way it was.
18:34 jcamins Oh well. I guess refactoring means not changing things.
18:32 jcamins There must be a better way to display that.
18:31 tcohen but you removed the related css selectors...
18:30 tcohen i tested removing it as i saw it was there to assign the input box a class and id
18:29 tcohen obsolete it if not appropriate
18:29 tcohen oops, just issued <Enter> on my git-bz
18:28 oleonard tcohen: I couldn't say for sure without testing it
18:28 jcamins Does it look that way to anyone else?
18:28 jcamins It looks to me like everything is just run together in one appalling mess.
18:27 jcamins On the uncertain prices page... is the contact information display as appalling as I think it is?
18:20 tcohen oleonard, do u agree the 'borrowerautocomplete' div from patron-search.inc is obsolete too?
18:18 mtompset jcamins makes things pretty. :)
18:13 jcamins It's a bit buggy, but it looks a million times better than it did before 3.12.
18:12 tcohen it looks pretty
18:11 jcamins tcohen: well, you have to switch to the RTL language.
18:10 tcohen that's it jcamins? no syspref or something?
18:09 mtompset Actually, there is already a way to hide items from the OPAC search, but the branch name, in which matching items which are not show, still shows up in the filtering for OPAC.
18:07 mtompset Yes, but if the idea makes sense to you, then it may make sense to others.
18:07 druthb mtompset: http://youtu.be/4FPGJrzzq_I?t=13s
18:07 jcamins tcohen: install ar-Arab?
18:07 jcamins Lucky for you, since I'm only the former RM, you don't actually have to persuade me.
18:06 jcamins At least, that's how I interpret what you're trying to do.
18:06 tcohen how can i test right-to-left theme?
18:05 jcamins Right, it sounds like you'll be greatly decreasing entropy in C4::Search for tenuous advantages.
18:04 mtompset Not so much method as where... OpenIdP, Facebook, WindowsLiveID, Corporate Site, Koha DB.
18:03 jcamins How many people are going to limit based on *method* of authentication?
18:03 mtompset Thanks for the pity, druthb.
18:03 jcamins Based on the description, it doesn't sound generalizable, and would be a lot of mess for what seems like very little gain.
18:01 mtompset Can you explain why?
18:00 jcamins I don't think that's a good idea.
18:00 * mtompset grins.
18:00 * druthb thinks mtompset is trying to do heinous, painful things, and pities him a little.
18:00 mtompset Non existent koha db user -> authenticate at external partner site -> create user as external partner -> login -> OPAC away (with limitations)
17:59 mtompset Non existent koha db user -> authenticate at internal partner site -> create user as internal partner -> login -> OPAC away.
17:58 jcamins Ah.
17:58 mtompset Yes, I believe so.
17:58 mtompset the authentication source.
17:58 jcamins You mean you then want to use those attributes to modify the search?
17:58 jcamins Okay, but that doesn't explain the borrower attributes.
17:58 mtompset It's about limiting access based on how you authenticate, because how you authenticate is going to define you as an internal or external partner.
17:56 mtompset internal and external partners will authenticate from different sources.
17:56 mtompset I think that covers it.
17:56 mtompset We are sort of treating branches like collections, and there are certain collections you do not want publicly searchable. And the non-searchable branches need to be excluded for external partners.
17:54 jcamins I'm still waiting to hear what you need to do?
17:54 tcohen bbs
17:54 tcohen not if you are about to write a class for "Authentication sources"
17:53 mtompset tcohen: I suppose, but if I'm going to create a new table, I think I'd prefer to add a column into borrowers. :P
17:52 mtompset We are sort of treating branches like collections, and there are certain collections you do not want publicly searchable. And the non-searchable branches need to be excluded for external partners.
17:52 tcohen mtompset: you could have a new table for that, right?
17:51 druthb hi, mtompset. :)
17:50 mtompset Greetings, druthb oleonard. :)
17:50 huginn 04Bug 10212: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables
17:50 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
17:50 oleonard @later tell khall http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212
17:50 druthb hm. ~dmuey… I know him! He works a few offices down from me. :D
17:48 jcamins @hash1{ keys %hash2 } = values %hash2;
17:48 mtompset http://search.cpan.org/~dmuey/Hash-Merge-0.12/Merge.pm?
17:47 jcamins While waiting for you to explain what you're trying to solve with the extended attributes, I was asking a Perl question.
17:47 jcamins That was completely separate.
17:47 mtompset Is this the same thought, or a separate one?
17:46 jcamins What is the right way to merge one hash into another hash?
17:46 jcamins Okay.
17:45 mtompset We are setting up independent branches for a number of libraries inside and outside of our organization. The goal is to know who to give access and to what. The problem with multiple instances is there is no way to integrate searches.
17:42 jcamins And even then I question it.
17:42 jcamins Because my initial response is that unless it is intended to be a prescriptive switch for librarians to set, should they so desire, it shouldn't go in extended attributes.
17:42 jcamins What is it you are trying to accomplish?
17:41 mtompset That's why I am thinking borrower_attributes would be okay. Oh, and when I say source, I don't mean forcing a user to authenticate a particular way. I mean where they authenticated.
17:39 mtompset That's the scenario I'm pondering.
17:39 mtompset The problem is not every account will have been created in Koha, some will be created having authenticated from an external source.
17:39 mtompset That's what I am thinking.
17:39 jcamins Unless you're envisioning the librarian choosing which authentication method should be used for each account.
17:38 jcamins mtompset: they would not be a good place, no.
17:37 tcohen but are designed so the librarian can touch them
17:31 mtompset borrower_attributes
17:31 mtompset The extended attributes seems to be a way to extend the DB without changing the schema on a forward basis.
17:30 mtompset I'd like to do as little DB schema changes as possible.
17:29 tcohen specific field in borrowers
17:28 mtompset Hmm.... I'm pleased to be making progress on my SAML authentication project. :) Just wondering if patron extended attributes would be a good place for storing the authentication source (i.e. authenication from OpenID or Corporate Website or Koha DB). Any ideas?
17:25 gmcharlt hi mtompset
17:25 tcohen hi mtompset
17:25 mtompset Greetings, tcohen gmcharlt. :)
17:24 tcohen i wont pick it unless someone really needs it anyway
17:23 druthb o/
17:22 tcohen heh
17:21 pianohacker that would be why! :)
17:20 gmcharlt tcohen: hence http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=1cf55d9381418aeeb0895f6d99add957acc7bcfd
17:19 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker. :)
17:19 pianohacker and hi mtompset :)
17:19 pianohacker wait, I don't see what you're talking about
17:18 pianohacker tcohen: There's very little about that report that's correct
17:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:15 tcohen Is "Price of book" correct in the overdues report? Shouldn't it be "Price of item" (or "material")?
16:24 talljoy yes
16:24 melia talljoy here?
16:13 jcamins Thanks.
16:12 gmcharlt I prefer them separate
16:12 jcamins I wasn't sure if you'd like 1 and 2 combined or not.
16:12 jcamins Yes.
16:12 gmcharlt does that answer your question?
16:12 gmcharlt i.e., each patch self-contained, but they'd be pushed as a branch
16:11 gmcharlt jcamins: if I understand the question correctly, ideally I'd like the submission to be a patch series, e.g., (1) new module + changes to use it (2) new table creation (3) updatedatabase logic to move the legacy contacts over
16:09 jcamins The first method is exemplified somewhat in this: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=acqui/supplier.pl;h=f39a327091393e69d88ae9a96ec8203ee1a4729d;hp=df417c09347930e64937cb8afbcdf42e8e028b03;hb=2a7557e6d10d8764b061c9be7a10261281f6f3d3;hpb=acd4b21c91f4b06a6e19cafb4b9a6dd2817ad8e9
16:09 gmcharlt (thinking)
16:09 gmcharlt those poor magazine sellers, left out in the cold
16:09 jcamins C4::Bookseller::Contact, rather.
16:08 jcamins As RM would you prefer that I implement the object initially by populating it from the data already in aqvendors (or whatever the table is called), and submit that as a standalone patch with a subject something like "Vendor contacts should be refactored," or should I just go ahead with the new table from the get-go?
16:07 gmcharlt jcamins: go ahead
16:06 jcamins Actually, not so much advice, as feedback on whether you have a preference for how I submit changes.
16:06 jcamins gmcharlt: I seek advice on the creation of the C4::Supplier::Contact object.
16:02 tcohen i was about to fill a bug for it!
16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10406 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove obsolete CSS related to YUI autocomplete
16:01 tcohen bug 10406
16:00 tcohen seems fixed in master
16:00 tcohen oleonard, it had to do with a fixed 500px lenght of the borrowerautocomplete input field
15:42 reiveune bye
15:39 oleonard It isn't perfect in any language.
15:39 tcohen what language makes it work fine?
15:38 oleonard I know. If you could fix it for en, what would you do for es, or de?
15:37 tcohen thats en!
15:37 oleonard I don't think it's possible to make them match exactly in all languages
15:37 oleonard It has to do with the amount of space the tabs take up.
15:35 tcohen oh, that long line on the search box
15:35 wahanui Fix is probably going to be something else
15:35 oleonard Fix what?
15:35 tcohen If you give me a hint i can work on it, np
15:34 tcohen can we fix this oleonard? http://snag.gy/ipB0f.jpg
15:25 jcamins I can't really help, sorry. I don't use LDAP with Koha.
15:25 bigbrovar jcamins: could u please have a look at my ldap config for koha to see if I might be doing something wrong http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF
15:24 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (3:00 AM NZST on June 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
15:24 tcohen @wunder wellington, nz
15:20 bigbrovar .
15:14 jcamins I avoid LDAP.
15:14 jcamins I can't really help, sorry.
15:13 bigbrovar_ jcamins: u can say that again. can u please take a look at my config to see if am doing anything wrong http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF
15:01 jcamins bigbrovar_: I am not sure what that could be, but that sounds bizarre.
15:00 pianohacker hello
15:00 bigbrovar_ then after a while the user starts to authenticate .. but if the users ldap password is changed.. same process of waiting and takes awhile before the change is reflected in koha
14:59 bigbrovar_ anyone here experienced with setting ldap with koha.. I have everything setup.. here is my ldap config http://pastebin.com/7neL1AKF I just want ldap to update user passwords through compare. My ldap server allows for anonymous bind.. problem I have is when I create a user on koha.. it takes a long time before that user is about to authenticate on ldap.. I have to keep restarting and restarting the server before the user can authenticate
14:53 tcohen added a followup for ccsr oleonard ([+])
14:49 wahanui drojf: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.
14:49 drojf excuse?
14:45 wahanui no idea, jcamins
14:45 jcamins wahanui: my excuse for today?
14:45 * oleonard shrugs
14:44 oleonard My excuse for today?
14:44 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
14:44 huginn tcohen: My excuse for today is "LP0 is on fire"
14:44 tcohen @excuse
14:44 tcohen didn't think of that because @excuse
14:44 tcohen proof: if attachment.get("ispatch") == "1"
14:41 tcohen Oh, I guess its my fault: the bug didn't contain a patch, but a .chr file
14:40 tcohen heh
14:40 oleonard Good one.
14:39 huginn jcamins: My excuse for today is "LP0 is on fire"
14:39 jcamins @excuse
14:39 jcamins Oh, in that case the problem is...
14:39 tcohen its just that there's no 'Obsoletes' sentence
14:38 tcohen oh, i never used that feature jcamins, I always do git bz attach -e 10405 HEAD
14:37 * oleonard didn't know it was an option to not include the bug number
14:37 jcamins Instead you have to do: git bz attach -e 10405 HEAD
14:36 jcamins If you mention more than one bug in the commit message, this command will fail: git bz attach -e HEAD
14:36 jcamins No, git bz attach -e.
14:36 tcohen you're talking about my loose use of git send-email?
14:35 jcamins If you mention more than one bug you have to specify the bug number.
14:35 jcamins tcohen: did you mention more than one bug in the commit messages?
14:22 tcohen it didn't for me yesterday and today, maybe tomorrow :-P
14:22 gmcharlt just did, not even five minutes ago
14:22 gmcharlt tcohen: it works for me
14:21 jcamins Is that a trick question?
14:21 wahanui Nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
14:21 jcamins Nothing?
14:21 tcohen does anyone know what happened to attach -e ?
14:21 wahanui apparently so is just after fa
14:21 jcamins gmcharlt: apparently so.
14:21 * tcohen always forgets how to send two patches to koha-patches
14:21 gmcharlt opinions are slightly divded :)
14:20 wahanui well, git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL
14:20 tcohen git bz?
14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10447 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Language definitions for 'ru' and 'uk' are not available during install
14:17 tcohen bug 10447
14:09 tcohen i'll fill a new one
14:09 tcohen with anyone get angry if I post a followup for the 'es' stuff for zebra that add ru and uk too to Makefile.PL?
14:07 jcamins tcohen: it's not necessary if you're not allowing any sort of non-local mail sending.
14:06 tcohen what's wrong with the SASL stuf?
14:04 wahanui postfix is, like, found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
14:04 jcamins postfix?
14:03 * drojf changes libraries
14:03 gmcharlt hi tcohen
14:03 tcohen hi gmcharlt
14:03 jcamins oleonard: someone opted not to share a patch they wrote, I imagine.
14:02 * oleonard has no idea where that comment came from
14:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #140: "<oleonard> That's why I'm the only one with a flying car. I just didn't figure anyone else would be interested." (added by gmcharlt at 12:39 PM, June 03, 2011)
14:02 gmcharlt @quote random
13:55 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, but that sounds like a reasonable idea.
13:54 tcohen jcamins: should I set encoding utf-8 on top of the sort-string-utf.chr file? looks like we don't do it in en
13:45 drojf oleonard: it took me about that long to use the right PERL5LIB directory and see everything just works
13:41 tcohen rangi had one, I'm just listening Air
13:41 oleonard Oh is that it? Is there a list somewhere?
13:40 tcohen you're not listening the right music while reading the code oleonard
13:39 oleonard Well, that was an inappropriately long time to discover I typed "=" when I should have typed "=="...
13:18 jcamins It might be somewhere on IndexData's website.
13:18 tcohen any reference to the sort-string-utf.chr file syntaax?
13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , In advanced search(more), [+] and [-] should behave like links on hover
13:03 tcohen Bug 10444
12:42 oleonard Thanks tcohen that's a worthwhile improvement
12:42 tcohen i'll check there isn't already a bug for that heh
12:41 tcohen thanks
12:41 jcamins Yeah, opac.css.
12:41 tcohen I want to make the minus/plus links in adv search feel like links
12:41 jcamins Probably. What are you trying to do?
12:40 wahanui opac.css is a great place to start...
12:40 tcohen opac.css?
12:40 tcohen where should I put some style stuff for the OPAC?
12:35 drojf but we better keep it for backwards compatibility :P
12:34 drojf :D
12:34 jcamins (no)
12:34 jcamins drojf: it's twice as important as anything else in C4::Search.
12:34 drojf hi oleonard
12:34 drojf is there a reason why &SimpleSearch is exported twice from Search.pm?
12:34 oleonard Hello #koha
12:17 jcamins That'd explain the latency.
12:17 drojf i bet they use MARC for all that metadata ^^
12:17 drojf lol
12:15 jcamins Sure, but they're a bear when it comes to retrieval.
12:15 drojf i thought the nsa saves all your stuff now? :P
12:14 jcamins That's kind of extraordinary.
12:12 jcamins I am using more than half of the 1TB external hard drive I bought a month ago.
12:11 tcohen s/filial/subsidiary/
12:10 tcohen latam filial maybe?
12:10 tcohen heh
12:10 drojf tcohen: i thought that was my job
12:09 * tcohen is kinda lazzzzy today
12:09 drojf hi tcohen
12:09 tcohen #koha
12:09 tcohen morrrning
12:08 drojf [off] let alone nobody here is ever going to write a patch for koha once i am gone
12:07 drojf [off] hehe. my library uses custom packages atm until things we use are part of koha. i tried to explain that it is a lot of work to document how to build the packages (in words they understand) and it should not be neccessary to do it anyway once the patches are in koha. i also doubt someone who is unable to setup the build environment is able to understand what it actually does and step by step instructions stop working once the smallest problem c
12:03 jcamins [off] Send them a bill to be paid up front for the production of said video?
12:02 drojf [off] how do i explain to librarian people that it takes more than "step by step instructions" to do computer things?
11:59 drojf lol
11:58 jcamins drojf: it dares do all that may become an IM program. Who dares more is none.
11:58 drojf :(
11:58 magnuse drojf: to keep you entertained ;-)
11:56 drojf magnuse: but why can it? :/
11:36 magnuse jcamins: yay. i hope i can find some time to look at it, if no one beats me to it (feel free, folks!)
11:33 jcamins magnuse: it could and has been.
11:33 magnuse drojf: because it can?
11:33 magnuse g'day jwagner
11:22 jwagner morning
11:12 drojf why would the font in pidgin suddenly change without me doing anything? :(
11:11 drojf brb
11:09 drojf hei magnuse
11:09 magnuse moin drojf
11:08 drojf hello again ;)
08:29 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
08:29 gaetan_B hello
08:01 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:01 magnuse @later tell gmcharlt: thanks for the heads up on bug 10218, i have added it to my todo list
07:50 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
07:50 magnuse @later tell jcamins: could/should the " Work-in-progress patch for:" patch on bug 10240 be obsoleted?
07:00 asaurat hi
06:56 drojf i see. have fun :)
06:56 cait-m bye :-)
06:55 cait-m just travelling yesterday
06:55 drojf good luck :)
06:54 drojf *starting
06:54 drojf oh you are startung today? i thought you did it already yesterday
06:54 cait-m wish me luck? :-)
06:54 drojf i guess training is the right word in english ;)
06:53 cait-m soon, but not yet
06:53 cait-m hi drojf
06:53 drojf cait-m: teaching?
06:53 drojf hi cait-m
06:48 * cait-m waves
06:36 reiveune hello
06:30 christophe_c hello #koha
06:23 drojf good morning #koha
06:14 dcook On the plus side, finally was able to reproduce a different bug ^_^
06:07 dcook Which makes the whole syspref kind of backwards O_o
06:07 dcook In the case where it's "next available", there's no way to send an email until the moment when a library staff member is presented with the screen "Hey, you should transfer this book because it's on hold"
06:06 dcook But that's only possible if the hold is for a specific item
06:06 dcook But it should send an email to the library that holds the item
06:06 dcook It sends an email either to the KohaAdminEmail or to the email address of the library of the user that places the hold
06:05 dcook "emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced" is a weird syspref
06:01 magnuse hi AmitG
06:00 AmitG heya magnuse
05:58 magnuse sleep tight gmcharlt :-)
05:50 gmcharlt g'night
05:50 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
05:50 gmcharlt @quote random
05:49 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
05:49 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
05:47 magnuse @wunder boo
05:47 * magnuse waves
05:41 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa.
05:41 AmitG @wunder Dehradun
05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found.
05:41 AmitG @wunder Delhi India
05:41 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0°C (10:40 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
05:41 AmitG @wunder Mumbai
05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found.
05:41 AmitG @wunder Mumbao
05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found.
05:41 AmitG @wunder Dehli
05:41 huginn AmitG: Error: No such location could be found.
05:41 AmitG @wunder Delhi
05:40 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C.
05:40 AmitG @wunder Bangalore
05:37 * mtj waves to AmitG and papa
05:37 AmitG papa: i have recreate the patch can you look..
05:36 papa sure always :)
05:36 AmitG heya mtj
05:36 AmitG Papa around?
05:32 papa yes
05:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , The ability to order multiple copies of the same item, from different fund classes, on the same order number
05:32 mtj bug 10209
05:32 mtj hi AmitG, Srdjan -> papa
05:31 huginn AmitG: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
05:31 AmitG @bug10209
05:29 AmitG Srdjan Jankovic around?
05:29 AmitG hi
05:29 mtj i'm quite surprised to find the channel's topic changable!
05:27 mtj hmm, now what was the previous topic :/
05:26 mtj oops...
05:25 * dcook is intrigued
05:18 eythian quite possible someone has some broken firewalling somewhere.
05:18 eythian yes, if it's an MTU path discovery issue, that tests it.
05:18 mtj meh, ok..
05:17 dcook Except for loopback
05:17 mtj ah, you recommend dropping to 1000 eythian..
05:17 dcook Well, I don't have en0, but yep, mtu is 1500
05:17 mtj dcook, is your mtu 1500, too?
05:16 mtj ok
05:16 eythian 1500 is ethernet MTU
05:15 mtj en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
05:15 mtj # ifconfig |grep en0
05:15 mtj dcook, my mtu is 1500, fwiw
05:14 dcook :(
05:13 mtj git-bz :)
05:04 dcook Definitely belated monday today..
05:04 * dcook also thought that one of the bugs in bugzilla was assigned to Jim Jarmusch
05:03 * dcook tries to remember what he was thinking about before grenades
05:03 dcook It does make you wonder where that 02 comes from..
05:03 dcook Grenades!
05:00 wizzyrea when it wasn't exploding with grenades
05:00 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
05:00 dcook Interesting..
05:00 * cait has to boot into windows - ew.
05:00 wizzyrea mysql said 0000-00-00 00:00:00, koha said 0000-02-00
05:00 dcook Wait...so mysql said 0000-00-00 or 0000-02-00?
04:58 wizzyrea possibly this is a better description of what mysql does in that situation: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/37618858.jpg
04:55 wizzyrea and a very excruciatingly irritating error on issue
04:55 wizzyrea the result was Checked out to <patron>, Last renewed 24/05/2013, Due back on 02/00/0
04:54 eythian I still don't know where the 02 comes from though
04:54 dcook wizzyrea: hehe
04:54 eythian in mysql, 0000 or 00 for a date part means "don't care"
04:54 dcook 1970-01-00 or something like that I have seen...
04:54 dcook Can't say I've seen that yet
04:54 dcook That's a special branch of special
04:54 wahanui -2
04:54 dcook 0000-02-00?
04:53 wizzyrea giving mysql an invalidly formatted date is <reply> http://24.media.tumblr.com/8ad2e9bc39ba46722bfbf79da08ff2f7/tumblr_mn2w6f9nXX1rukjygo1_1280.jpg
04:52 wizzyrea hehehehe
04:51 * eythian doesn't want to know
04:51 * wizzyrea expects eythian will have the answer to that tomorrow
04:51 wizzyrea :)
04:51 wizzyrea properly, so mysql doesn't puke
04:51 wizzyrea mark the date.
04:51 eythian I don't know why
04:51 eythian nah, it's always 02
04:51 cait not sure why it does happen tho :(
04:50 * wizzyrea blinks
04:50 cait wizzyrea: i have seen that happening for invalid dates in serials
04:50 cjh well 13 gives 3 - 1 = 02, simple >.>
04:50 wizzyrea stupid mysql.
04:50 wizzyrea there was no 02 in the data >.<
04:50 wizzyrea I"m not even sure where it got the 02 from
04:50 cjh heh
04:49 eythian give mysql 2013-13-99 and it's likely to stick something like 0000-02-00 or whatever in there.
04:49 cjh sorry what is that behavior?
04:48 wizzyrea -strax
04:48 wizzyrea "Grenades! Grenades for everyone!"
04:47 eythian if you don't understand it, you don't just make something up.
04:47 * eythian hates on mysql for that stupid behaviour.
04:46 wizzyrea either way "Although if a person gave Mysql something it didn't like, it would default to that" pointed me in the right direction :)
04:46 dcook The latter was my hopeful guess
04:46 wizzyrea or they fat-fingered the renewal date
04:45 wizzyrea (I think)
04:45 wizzyrea dcook++ it was the renewal datepicker
04:45 eythian maybe you just have no internet
04:45 dcook Hmm, and now I can't even download virtualbox...
04:42 dcook I have been meaning to set up a separate VM for development though...
04:42 eythian ah, that'll be a problem then
04:42 dcook Yep, don't have that :(
04:42 eythian you just need root on your machine.
04:41 dcook I don't think I have access for that :/
04:40 eythian drop your MTU to 1000, see if it helps.
04:39 dcook eythian is probably on track but not really sure what to do about that
04:39 dcook I think so
04:39 mtj you are using a recent-ish version of git-bz, and python?
04:38 dcook hehe
04:38 mtj hmm, pass.. :/
04:35 dcook Right before it prompts with the option of applying (Y/N), it gets stuck waiting wait4(PID,
04:34 dcook :/
04:32 mtj meh, acceptable...
04:32 dcook sys 0m0.064s
04:32 dcook user 0m0.032s
04:32 dcook real 0m7.619s
04:30 mtj $ time wget http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=18584
04:30 mtj dcook, curious… is downloading the patch via a manual wget, any faster?
04:30 dcook I think I always have some lag, even with small patches
04:29 wizzyrea me too
04:27 mtj fwiw, git-bz is alway snappy for me
04:27 eythian that sounds like an issue with MTU discovery
04:26 dcook Probably the internet connection. Sometimes I've had it take forever to try to download a patch that's more than a few KB
04:26 dcook Hmm, I thought so :/
04:25 mtj dcook, i can ok
04:25 cait can't test right now
04:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013)
04:25 dcook I assume other people can apply bug 5858?
04:24 dcook Well, maybe it does, I don't know
04:24 dcook But that wouldn't make sense in this case either...
04:24 dcook No, but I do :p
04:24 eythian git bz doesn't use ssh.
04:23 dcook I'm thinking it's either the internet connection or the ssh server
04:23 dcook git bz apply
04:22 cait and what#s the command you use?
04:22 * dcook waves to Oak
04:22 dcook Yep, they are both patches
04:22 * Oak waves
04:21 dcook I think so?
04:21 dcook But waiting forever for a bug that has two patches of slightly more than small size
04:21 cait are the patches properly marked in bugzilla as patches?
04:21 dcook Nah, it's working for bugs that have one small patch
04:21 * wizzyrea comes up with something nonsensical
04:20 wizzyrea for bugzilla?
04:20 wizzyrea dcook maybe you cleared your cookies?
04:20 * cait wonders what poor git bz has done
04:17 * dcook glowers more at git bz and then moves on
04:17 dcook Yeah, if I give it a crazy date, it goes to 0000-00-00 00:00:00
04:14 wizzyrea good idea thanks!
04:14 * wizzyrea tests it
04:14 wizzyrea hm it would be easy to do that with the "set explicit due date"
04:14 dcook Maybe...or maybe that's 1970..
04:14 dcook Although if a person gave Mysql something it didn't like, it would default to that
04:14 wizzyrea it seems like that shouldn't transpire. ever.
04:13 dcook Can't say that I have..
04:13 * wizzyrea finds this problem quite mad
04:13 wizzyrea has anyone ever seen a situation where the due dates for a specific borrower are 0000-00-00 00:00:00
04:13 dcook My git bz won't download some patches for some reason
04:12 wizzyrea ?
04:11 dcook git bz is waiting for something...but I don't quite get what..
04:02 wizzyrea cool :)
04:02 wizzyrea oh
04:00 dcook Not the glower :)
04:00 dcook I meant to direct my hey to you as well
03:59 dcook Wha?
03:59 wizzyrea why are we glowering at me?
03:59 wizzyrea good morning cait :)
03:59 cait hi dcook and wizzyrea
03:59 wizzyrea audi-whattie?
03:58 dcook and possibly wizzyrea
03:58 dcook hey cait
03:58 * dcook glowers at his internet connection and/or git bz and/or python
03:58 dcook For a moment, I thought that was in reference to your terminal suddenly switching to French
03:58 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Known_problems
03:44 dcook :)
03:44 mtj np, it worked well :)
03:43 mtj updated bug with that info ^^
03:43 dcook Thanks again for the z39.50 auth search sign off :). Glad to have another set of eyes on that one.
03:43 dcook Cool. I'll take a look right now.
03:42 mtj hmm, yeah, thats it
03:42 mtj hey big.d
03:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013)
03:40 dcook Are you waiting for a sign off to your follow up?
03:40 dcook mtj: What's the status of bug 5858?
02:56 mtj gotcha :) ^^
02:49 eythian I don't know if I will, probably not.
02:46 mtj any wtgn peeps planning to hang-about for the perlmongers later tonite?
02:20 wahanui eythian is, like, an expert bot trainer
02:20 mtj heya eythian
02:12 eythian hi
00:31 dcook Hmm. Cool.
00:27 gmcharlt most likely, yes
00:26 dcook gmcharlt: I was thinking that was the case, as I seem to remember folks talking about removing the Nozebra syspref completely as well. Time to nuke the table?
00:26 gmcharlt dcook: that can *very* safely be ignored ;)
00:09 dcook Apparently there is a "nozebra" table..
00:07 dcook Looks like export_format is for the CSV profiles...
00:04 jcamins Oh, yeah, broken I think.
00:03 dcook That might've been an experiment or a lost function?
00:03 dcook I figured that might be the case...but not sure that's even a thing anymore
00:03 dcook I see a reference to RotatingCollections.pm
00:02 dcook I assume browser might have something to do with the shelf_browser?
00:02 dcook jcamins: No idea
00:02 dcook Or "export_format"
00:02 wahanui they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :)
00:02 jcamins What are they?
00:01 dcook I totally never noticed the "browser", "collections", or "collections_tracking" tables before...