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23:59 eythian yeah, I just force everything to UTF-8 I can because MARC-8 needs to go away.
23:58 trea but i guess the answer is, there isn't an easy way to tell.
23:58 trea that would certainly handle a conversion, which through inference would solve the problem
23:56 trea reading fail
23:56 eythian marc8_to_utf8 is a function in that
23:56 trea gah
23:56 eythian I am
23:56 * trea is surprised you're not using MARC::Charset to do this.
23:55 wizzyrea ooh la la
23:55 cjh trea: if you walk here you can look over wizzyrea's shoulder :)
23:55 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "try this one..." (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/48
23:55 wizzyrea he's on the wireless :P
23:55 cjh yeah, I dont think it is on the wireless
23:55 trea not on the guest wireless
23:55 wizzyrea hm probably not actually :P
23:55 trea ha
23:55 cjh trea: if you bring your laptop to catalyst it may
23:55 jcamins That URL doesn't resolve.
23:55 eythian wrong pastebin
23:55 cjh lol
23:55 eythian doh
23:55 eythian do
23:54 trea strange. that URL doesn't resolve
23:54 jcamins There's probably something on LC's site.
23:54 eythian http://paste.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz/3ef8ca <-- trea, this is what I use to convert strings to UTF-8. It's not perfect, but usually good enough (it also does one or two other fixups)
23:54 trea ^
23:53 ibeardslee double headed?
23:53 * trea searches for his wooden nickel.
23:53 wizzyrea is there a reference?
23:52 cjh trea: flipping a coin should get it right every now and then...
23:52 * trea doubts it.
23:52 trea lol
23:52 jcamins lol
23:52 eythian jcamins: maybe he's in some happy-go-lucky fantasy land where they're all right? You don't know until you ask!
23:52 jcamins \xE8{something} I think.
23:52 jcamins 99% of the time it's wrong.
23:52 jcamins eythian: that doesn't work at all.
23:52 eythian trea ^
23:52 eythian err
23:52 eythian jcamins: do you mean outside of looking at the header?
23:51 trea which are?
23:51 jcamins trea: look for the most common MARC-8 codepoints?
23:50 trea hey #koha, anyone know of a simple way to determine if a file is encoded in marc-8 vs. utf-8?
23:35 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
23:35 pianohacker good night
23:21 mtj anyhoo, i learnt something there... :D
23:20 mtj yeah, he should :)
23:20 mtj …from the patch, then re-ran 'git-am -3 '
23:19 wizzyrea dcook should be around soon
23:18 mtj i removed the troublesome diff block, for the 'z3950_auth_search.tt' file
23:17 mtj so ill fix that, then upload it
23:17 mtj fyi, i edited the 2nd patch slightly, and got it to apply (with a merge error)
23:15 mtj thanks, thats all good info :)
23:08 wizzyrea ^
23:08 eythian or that when it was written it wasn't actually written against master
23:08 wizzyrea < not a git expert, really, that could all be nonsense.
23:07 wizzyrea but the patch's
23:07 wizzyrea i.e. probably not your issue
23:07 wizzyrea not sure, the error has to do with git being unable to match the previous commit hashes to what is existent on your repo, which suggests rebase trickery to me
23:06 huginn` eythian: unknown field/subfield combination (952/o)
23:06 eythian @marc 952 o
23:05 mtj wizzyrea, yeah its a weird one… eyeballing the second patch, there doesnt seem to be too much wrong with it?!
23:04 wizzyrea but that could be wrong
23:04 wizzyrea i am not a git expert, but when I've had problems like that (in between followups) it's because I did something like (i think!) rebase in between attaching patches when master had moved
23:04 huginn` cjh: unknown field/subfield combination (942/o)
23:04 cjh @marc 942 o
23:03 huginn` cjh: unknown field/subfield combination (942/k)
23:03 cjh @marc 942 k
23:02 mtj so yeah, ive checked all the obvious stuff
23:02 wizzyrea that probalby has to do with how he did the followup
23:00 mtj wiz, i did it on a fresh clone
23:00 wizzyrea then try?
23:00 wizzyrea git fetch?
23:00 mtj ive never quite known what caused that scary error
22:59 mtj Cannot fall back to three-way merge."
22:59 mtj Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
22:59 mtj "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/z3950_auth_search.tt).
22:59 mtj ok, i guess thats whats going on here - dcook has missed a patch in his series
22:56 eythian if it's a patch on top of a private branch, or expects another patch you don't have, then 3-way won't work.
22:56 mtj hmm, i'm actually using 'git am -iu3 ./myfile.patch'
22:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Patch doesn't apply , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
22:55 mtj i have a recent example, bug 10096
22:55 pianohacker yup. add the -3 option to am to do that
22:55 eythian mtj: in those cases, I usually take the patch file and apply it with a 3-way merge, it's more likely to give merge markers.
22:55 mtj hmm, im using 'git bz apply' and 'git am ./myfile.patch'
22:54 pianohacker *apply?
22:54 pianohacker are you using git aplly?
22:54 pianohacker mtj: Only certain kinds of patch application will give you the merge markers
22:53 mtj can anyone explain what happens, when you attempt to apply a patch and it fails... but you dont get an expected file(s) with any merge-markers?
22:52 mtj sorry, crafting my Q...
22:52 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
22:52 eythian ask?
22:52 pianohacker shoot
22:51 mtj hi peeps, ive got a general git/patch question for the borg...
22:45 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
22:45 cait coding guidelines?
22:43 pianohacker wait, we have coding standards? shoot
22:35 wizzyrea probably also apt for koha: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/51462515324/encouraging-the-usage-of-coding-standards
22:34 * wizzyrea is old, doesn't understand tumblr.
22:33 trea so satisfying
22:33 wizzyrea ^ greatest tumblr ever
22:33 wahanui http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/52045747344/i-dont-need-this-piece-of-code
22:33 wizzyrea refactoring?
22:33 wahanui somebody said refactoring was not rewriting it is abstracting.
22:33 wizzyrea refactoring?
22:33 trea lol
22:33 jcamins lol
22:33 wizzyrea \o/
22:31 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:31 eythian wahanui: refactoring is also <reply>http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/52045747344/i-dont-need-this-piece-of-code
22:31 wahanui ...but refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting....
22:31 eythian wahanui: refactoring is <reply>http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/52045747344/i-dont-need-this-piece-of-code
22:29 eythian hi
21:55 cait thx will take a look later
21:54 jcamins cait: http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/06/how-to-get-fast-cheap-feedback-on-your-product-with-tiny-tests.html
21:54 cait hm?
21:54 jcamins "I'll buy your latte if you tell me what you think of this iPad app."
21:53 * jcamins is totally doing guerilla usability testing at the next library conference he goes to.
21:53 jcamins So so so good.
21:53 wizzyrea I'd like to see us doing more of that
21:52 wizzyrea oh yea that was fantastic eh
21:50 jcamins wizzyrea++ # great article on getting user feedback
21:42 jcamins :D
21:42 jcamins Mixed lettuce, romaine, bok choy, red kale, salad turnips, and arugula!
21:42 jcamins Yup.
21:42 cait did you get everything?
21:39 jcamins Twenty-eight, actually, apparently.
21:11 jcamins Back in forty.
21:11 jcamins Community-Supported Agriculture.
21:10 pianohacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSA ? Canadian Space Agency? Cartan Subalgebra?
21:04 jcamins :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
21:04 jcamins Time to pick up the CSA!
20:32 druthb Hi, cait! :)
20:32 cait hi druthb
20:29 oleonard See you later #koha
20:24 cait starting flash takes forever
20:24 cait wow
20:22 tcohen (or Reynolds heh)
20:20 * tcohen hopes dijkstra is not reading this somewhere
20:19 tcohen heh, it is physicist's fault, that's for sure
20:18 pianohacker it all fits together, but the semantics are funky
20:18 jcamins It takes ages and ages and ages to get to the end so that you can run it again.
20:18 pianohacker tcohen: I think that statement applies to the entire POSIX API, not just shells
20:17 tcohen I should have restored the stdout/stderr redirection before starting a flame war
20:16 jcamins Right, in hindsight I realize that running the dedup script on a file containing 213k authorities wasn't the best idea.
20:15 tcohen not computer scientists with good semantics background :-P
20:15 tcohen shells where designed by hackers
20:14 pianohacker dup2 is deep, picky magic
20:14 pianohacker ^ why writing shells is harder than it first appears
20:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10307 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50
20:13 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10307 - z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50
20:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1216: SUCCESS in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1216/
20:12 gmcharlt Dyrcona++ # now I have fewer bit of cargo-cult
20:12 jcamins Now I understand.
20:12 tcohen that references STDOUT during evaluation
20:12 jcamins Ohhhh.
20:12 Dyrcona man dup
20:11 Dyrcona jcamins: It dups stdout at the time it sees &1. At that point stdout would still be the console.
20:11 tcohen the problem is that &1 is a pointer
20:11 jcamins Dyrcona: but wouldn't you want to do it in the other order, so that your stderr goes into the same stdout that is going into the file?
20:11 Dyrcona ...standard error to a duplicate of....
20:10 Dyrcona jcamins: First you redirect standard output somewhere, then you redirect standard to a duplicate of standard output.
20:10 Dyrcona gmcharlt: You forgot | tee
20:10 jcamins Why does the redirect go in that order?
20:10 tcohen heh
20:09 gmcharlt hmm, where did tcohen go, I can't hear anything from him? ;)
20:09 tcohen i put it the wrong way, well spotted gmcharlt
20:09 tcohen heh
20:09 tcohen > /dev/null 2>&1
20:08 mtj gmcharlt, yes, i agree with both your points
20:08 gmcharlt that's the pattern I've always used
20:08 gmcharlt what about perl test.pl > /dev/null 2>&1
20:08 tcohen this doesn't: perl test.pl 2>&1 > /dev/null
20:07 tcohen this too: perl test.pl 1> /dev/null
20:07 tcohen this works as expected: perl test.pl 2> /dev/null
20:07 gmcharlt more broadly, I think we should be careful about *over*-specifying expectations for official positions
20:06 gmcharlt mtj: from my POV IRC is useful but not necessary -- somebody could perform their responsibilities entirely via email and still be effective
20:06 jcamins I'm sure I've used warn in scripts and had redirect work.
20:06 jcamins warn?
20:05 mtj … i dont mean they are required to chat about the weather on #koha, for 30 mins per day
20:05 tcohen i think is warn
20:04 mtj gmcharlt, when i say 'semi-regular #irc presence' - i just mean a bot
20:04 jcamins tcohen: oh, so say messes with STDOUT/STDERR?
20:03 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Reproduced jcamins" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46
20:02 gmcharlt but not necessarily IRC
20:02 gmcharlt mtj: meh -- I see where you're coming from, but I'd phrase it as folks are expected to be reachable, in particular by those who most use their work
20:00 mtj gmcharlt, i think some semi-regular #irc presence should be expected, for people that hold 'offical' positions
19:58 * jcamins replaces "say" with "warn".
19:58 jcamins Well, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
19:57 pianohacker I have no idea, that's bizarre
19:56 jcamins pianohacker: I know... so what am I doing wrong?
19:55 pianohacker This is just running a script from the command line? That's crazy.
19:55 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "command" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/45
19:55 jcamins Nope.
19:55 tcohen i mean, is it run from a cron definition?
19:54 tcohen its a cron script?
19:54 jcamins STDERR does not get redirected at all.
19:54 jcamins It doesn't work.
19:54 jcamins That's what i had.
19:54 jcamins Drat.
19:53 tcohen 2>&1 > file
19:53 jcamins Short of replacing all the "prints" with "warns"
19:52 jcamins How do I do that?
19:52 jcamins I want to capture all the output to a file.
19:52 jcamins I have a script that prints things out to STDOUT and STDERR.
19:52 tcohen it is based on mint or smth similar
19:52 jcamins Okay, this is absurd.
19:52 tcohen our local koha community has come up with a nice .deb setup inside a DVD that can be installed on hte filesystem
19:51 tcohen oh, *that* problem
19:51 jcamins I mean, beyond the usual "people think that the livecd is a viable option for production."
19:50 jcamins tcohen: nope, no problem.
19:50 tcohen what's the problem? livecd non-functional or something?
19:50 jcamins drojf: except when it's someone who doesn't actually volunteer any of their time for the community, of course.
19:49 drojf i really don't know… on the one hand, everyone that volunteers for whatever is someone who spends at least some of their time for community work… on the other hand, is that something that is always better than nobody working on that particular thing? we have something labelled "official" livedvd now that has no relation to the community besides ~3 anouncements to the list and one longish thread
19:48 cait can someone add that as a quote?
19:48 cait gmcharlt: very good rule
19:47 gmcharlt and a general lesson, I think: no future project positions should get created without some indication of what that position does
19:46 drojf gmcharlt: i think you are right
19:46 drojf jcamins: they might…
19:45 jcamins drojf: sure, because people actually do what they're supposed to when elected.
19:45 gmcharlt drojf: IMO, that component should exist only if somebody has explicitly stated that they will look over such bugs
19:44 drojf jcamins: maybe making that an obligation for future live-disk managers would make sense?
19:44 jcamins Is there any way to make Perl always print out the complete call stack when it dies?
19:43 jcamins drojf: I'm going to go with "they would not."
19:43 drojf gmcharlt: are you the happening-maker of bug components? i still think we should have something for the livedvd. i'm not sure if the person in charge would look at it though
19:43 oleonard Awesome, thanks gmcharlt
19:43 gmcharlt oleonard: et voila
19:41 gmcharlt oleonard: one moment
19:40 oleonard I guess we need a new bug component for course reserves. Who makes that happen?
19:39 cait oleonard: it sounds like a usability issue worth a bug
19:39 cait i am way behind on my bug mails because of the flash....
19:39 oleonard Yes, looking at it now for the first time.
19:38 cait hm is course reserves pushed?
19:38 cait bug>?
19:38 oleonard If you can't create a new course for course reserves when there are no departments to choose from, why display the course reserves entry form at all? Just show an error message and direct the user to authorised values.
19:37 cait that makes sense actually :)
19:37 cait heh
19:37 drojf i think it's a "revier"-thing ;)
19:37 drojf cait: i use windows at work sometimes. it is ok as long as it is on "their" computers. it takes seconds to minutes to make me angry if i have to start the vm on my own computer
19:36 pianohacker just an apropos comment from the bot
19:36 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.0°C (9:35 PM CEST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
19:36 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:34 cait hah?>
19:34 pianohacker hah!
19:33 wahanui i guess windows 7 is starting to tick me off
19:33 cait windows 7
19:32 cait and i have only been using it for like... 10 mins? weirdly i use it at work and it's ok, but i hate it on the laptop
19:32 pianohacker which windows?
19:32 cait using windows makes me grumpy
19:31 drojf [off] yay for torrents :P
19:30 pianohacker yeah, I'm eagerly awaiting the day when I can banish flash to a separate firefox profile that I load up once in a while for the occasional mindless flash game. for now, I watch enough shows and music on youtube that I have to keep the accursed thing
19:30 wahanui rumour has it not is maybe removed from my search
19:30 cait not?
19:29 drojf pianohacker: i know, but it supports more and more. at least that is my impression. disclaimer: i don#t like youtube, i am definitely no "browse youtube as an evening entertainment" person
19:27 pianohacker I'd happily use it otherwise
19:27 pianohacker drojf: well, youtube's html5 support is buggy and doesn't support about half their videos
19:27 drojf selection even
19:27 drojf a reasonable way of selevtion
19:26 jcamins I use that as a way to choose which restaurants not to go to.
19:26 drojf jcamins: yeah with download-only pdf menus
19:26 oleonard The only reason to want Flash is in case http://homestarrunner.com ever gets updated.
19:26 jcamins There's this trend of restaurants having horrible flash websites.
19:26 drojf lol
19:26 drojf flashception
19:25 cait drojf: there are flash animations in the chapters about flash animation in the course..
19:25 jcamins drojf: restaurants.
19:25 drojf what do you need flash for? even youtube managed to get html5 video
19:25 pianohacker ... though it was a bit of a pain
19:25 pianohacker that actually made me happy, flash for android was always crappy
19:24 cait my android doesn't like it either :(
19:24 * pianohacker is eagerly waiting for websites to start growling at him
19:24 pianohacker fun fact I learned the other day; flash, which is up to 11.8, stopped being released for linux at version 11.2
19:23 drojf always good to know that teaching is up to date
19:22 drojf i have heard of that
19:22 drojf flash. hehe
19:18 cait eew
19:17 oleonard I hope they have a unit on hand-drawn cel animation too, since that format is almost completely obsolete too
19:15 cait the course touches animation and they have decided that having us use the 30 day trial of flash is a good idea
19:15 * oleonard wonders if cait is studying "How to boot into Windows"
19:14 cait i have to boot into windows fo the distance study... wish me luck
19:14 oleonard :P
19:13 jcamins Clearly that should be "http://kohadev:8080/...approve.gif"
19:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
19:13 * oleonard will fix in another patch for Bug 2774
19:13 jcamins Whoops!
19:12 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Uh..." (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/44
18:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #1216 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
18:48 jcamins Thanks.
18:47 oleonard Looks good to me
18:45 jcamins When I have time I'd like to send it as a patch for the manual, but time is something I don't have a lot of at the moment.
18:44 jcamins oleonard: Does this seem mostly correct to you: http://cpbibliography.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/93678-customizing-your-opac ?
18:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10307 - z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b74ac4a1cf64678d2a0dab13965576af1e6ed9c8>
18:41 jcamins Go for it.
18:39 mtj i'll log a bug/feature for it
18:39 jcamins Yes.
18:37 mtj it should be a pretty straight-forward feature to add
18:33 mtj thanks for confirming :)
18:32 mtj i was wondering if some linking was attempted, for that single bib, on import
18:31 mtj ciao tcohen :)
18:31 tcohen bye #koha
18:30 mtj but thats the job of a sysadmin
18:30 jcamins Right.
18:30 mtj sure, running the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script, would automate that...
18:29 jcamins However, there is more than one way to link a bib to authorities, and depending how you define "manual," some of those methods might not qualify.
18:29 mtj ok
18:29 jcamins The import procedure does not automatically link records.
18:28 jcamins The answer to that is, definitely maybe.
18:28 mtj if you import a bib into koha, must you always manually link to your koha's auth records?
18:27 jcamins Oh?
18:27 mtj hey jcamins, i have a little authorites Q for you...
18:26 pianohacker sounds like a very good idea
18:25 jcamins Which is why we now use JSON::XS for caching if at all possible.
18:25 jcamins Right.
18:25 pianohacker caching as in the memcached stuff we do?
18:25 jcamins But it turns out that when caching things, a staggering amount of time is spent in storable.
18:25 pianohacker (or storable that poorly...)
18:24 jcamins Nor did I when I started researching it.
18:24 pianohacker wow, I didn't think JSON would do that well
18:23 jcamins pianohacker: https://github.com/pmakholm/benchmark-serialize-perl
18:22 jcamins lol
18:22 pianohacker jcamins: I would love JSON. No idea why someone thought url-encoded binary serializations in a cookie were a great idea
18:22 jcamins No, but there are lots of alternatives to Storable.
18:22 pianohacker is there anything else that can decode Storable objects?
18:22 jcamins I'm not sure what's going into it, but if the data structure is simple enough, JSON is an easy replacement.
18:21 pianohacker jcamins: Haven't tried converting it to something different, just noticed the bug, went wtf, filed it and went on with my day
18:20 jcamins pianohacker: and you tried using something other than Storable, right?
18:18 pianohacker and there are no strict ulimits in place on the CGI
18:17 pianohacker worse, running the exact thaw call that causes the error doesn't break when done from a perl -de 1
18:16 pianohacker oleonard: Urgh, no. Only the workaround, the cause of the bug itself remains a mystery
18:15 tcohen jcamins, finished refactoring/breaking the intro :-P
18:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10338 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search history can cause "Out of memory" errors
18:15 oleonard pianohacker: Did you ever find out anything more about Bug 10338?
18:12 jcamins "hinzuzufügen"
18:12 jcamins German has the greatest words.
18:11 jcamins Oh, that was on 3.12.
18:10 jcamins I thought I fixed the French PO files?
18:10 jcamins Okay...
18:09 tcohen glad to hear :-D
18:08 jcamins That looks good to me.
18:05 wahanui installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
18:05 tcohen installing translations?
18:04 tcohen but I commited the rest of it if you could give it a fast check...
18:03 tcohen jcamins, i'm refactoring the introduction
17:53 jcamins I think so, yes.
17:53 tcohen are those sections fine?
17:52 tcohen Tarball/Git install (3.2 and newer versions)
17:52 tcohen Packages (pre-3.12 versions)
17:52 tcohen Packages installs (3.12 and newer versions)
17:51 jcamins With a note that they're for 3.0.6 and therefore refer to no-longer-supported versions, yes.
17:51 tcohen should I leave 3.0.6 translation install instructions
17:40 jcamins oleonard: the reason that's interesting is that I changed the custom CSS using javascript.
17:40 oleonard Lovely.
17:39 jcamins BTW, if anyone ever wondered what it looked when you made the body tag's background color black in the Koha OPAC: http://screencast.com/t/SEShOXxPp1
17:38 jcamins It's a central functionality of an ILS.
17:38 jcamins Similar to acquisitions or cataloging.
17:38 jcamins Because universities have a full-time course reserves staff member.
17:37 oleonard Why?
17:37 jcamins Yes, absolutely.
17:36 oleonard So you would vote to put course reserves on the staff client home page jcamins?
17:30 tcohen '3.12 or newer versions' maybe
17:30 jcamins "From 3.12 onward..."
17:29 tcohen like in '3.12 onwards'
17:29 jcamins tcohen: it depends on the context.
17:29 jcamins It's not on the staff client home page?
17:29 tcohen is 'onwards' used or does it sound sounds weird?
17:29 oleonard Or since it is related to circulation how about on the circulation home page?
17:29 * oleonard starts this argument again
17:28 oleonard Either "Course reserves" is important enough to put on the staff client home page or it shouldn't be in the global "More" menu.
17:22 jvr i will still 3.12 very soon
17:21 tcohen because 3.12 ships the koha-translate command
17:20 jvr only 3.8 and 3.10
17:20 tcohen jvr, are u using 3.12 packages?
17:17 tcohen I did a whole wiki page from scratch, that has to count!
17:14 pianohacker awww
17:12 oleonard No! No karma for you!
17:11 pianohacker is there a conversion rate? If I update 5 wiki pages inaccurately, do I get one karma? :)
17:11 * oleonard give tcohen benefit of the doubt on the accuracy point
17:10 oleonard Karma for anyone who [accurately] updates a wiki page!
17:10 oleonard tcohen++
17:08 * tcohen heads to updating that translation install wiki page
16:58 oleonard Yeah, jcamins isn't the boss of me!
16:49 jcamins You don't have to patch it, I just thought you'd want to know that I'd reported it so that there was a record.
16:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , User-editable sections should have ids
16:48 jcamins oleonard: reported bug 10405.
16:44 gaetan_B bye
16:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English
16:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10262 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl
16:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10218 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, ASSIGNED , In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access'
16:37 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT
16:37 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl
16:37 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access'
16:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #51: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/51/
16:34 * druthb just finished a presentation about the awesomeness of the #koha world.
16:20 oleonard See ya wizzyrea
16:20 wizzyrea yw, laters peeps
16:20 jvr thank you all
16:19 jvr i will tell 'gerundio' to reinstall the translation package
16:19 wizzyrea right and with that glorious victory, i'm going back to bed.
16:18 wizzyrea what he said
16:17 jcamins ^^ that page might help
16:17 wahanui installing translations is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
16:17 jcamins installing translations?
16:17 wahanui translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
16:17 jcamins translations?
16:17 jcamins But that depends on how you installed Koha, and other things I'm not sure of.
16:17 jcamins The command is something like: ./translate install pt-PT
16:16 * jvr slaps wizzyrea around a bit with a large fishbot
16:16 jcamins You'll need to update the translation. I don't know the exact commands, but basically you just do exactly what you did to install the Portuguese translation in the first place.
16:16 jvr what are the steps sorry
16:16 jvr want are the steps I need to perform for the portuguese installation
16:15 jvr it worksperfectly in en
16:15 jvr back again
16:11 * oleonard wonders what he was working on way back on Friday
16:10 jcamins I need lunch.
16:10 jcamins wizzyrea: sounds very Scottish.
16:10 wizzyrea clearly I need to go back to bed. I just considered "deep fried smores"
16:08 jcamins OpacNav, and OpacNavBottom.
16:07 jcamins I'll check which ones were missing ids, and report bugs.
16:07 jcamins Okay, so that's just a bug.
16:06 jcamins wizzyrea: one or two are missing.
16:06 oleonard They should have them, and we should add any missing ones.
16:06 wizzyrea they don't have them?
16:06 jcamins Also, hello.
16:06 jcamins oleonard: is there any reason we couldn't add <div>s with ids around all the user-modifiable regions in the OPAC?
16:05 oleonard Yup. That is a bummer.
16:03 wizzyrea by like, 15 minutes every morning
16:03 * wizzyrea was musing about how she always missed oleonard these days
16:03 * oleonard shakes wizzyrea awake again!
16:03 wizzyrea woo! oleonard!
16:03 jcamins Yay! wizzyrea can get some sleep!
16:02 wizzyrea if that works - you might consider rerunning the translation install
16:02 jvr be back in a moment, can flip production to english, I will try in my developing server
16:00 jcamins wizzyrea: good call!
15:59 wizzyrea flip it to en and see if it works
15:59 wizzyrea for fun, if you can
15:59 wizzyrea aha
15:59 jvr yes to portuguese it was gerundio o made it
15:58 wizzyrea are you using a translation?
15:58 wizzyrea yea, customised templates or un-updated translations could do that I suppose
15:57 jcamins jvr: do you have some sort of customization? That's the only explanation I can think of, if you copied and pasted wizzyrea's exact query.
15:57 jvr wizzyrea try also Firefox with same result
15:57 wizzyrea but it's very early, my imagination might be broken
15:56 * wizzyrea can't imagine what that would be
15:56 pianohacker jcamins: sorry to hear, that sounds irritating
15:56 wizzyrea do you have chrome plugins installed that might interfere?
15:56 wizzyrea not sure jvr, it works for me in 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, and master :/
15:56 jcamins pianohacker: Verizon keeps on sending out announcements that FIOS is in our area, but I'm not sure that it actually is. There seems to be a dearth of people who actually have it.
15:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:55 jcamins And RCA stops offering service across the street.
15:55 pianohacker jcamins: ouch, I'm sorry. it's in your area, though?
15:55 jvr Chrome wizzyrea
15:55 pianohacker the latest was the whole youtube-throttling thing, but nothing good
15:54 wizzyrea what browser?
15:54 jcamins Unfortunately, Verizon has stated categorically that FIOS is not going to be available to our building for the foreseeable future.
15:54 pianohacker urgh, yeah, I've heard stories
15:54 * jcamins hates TW.
15:54 jcamins pianohacker: we have Time Warner.
15:54 pianohacker jcamins: which awful do you use?
15:54 jvr this is the result no text box, just the word "text"
15:53 jvr Enter filter FOR patron surname (% IF none): text
15:53 jvr I just use your SQL
15:53 pianohacker after hours wasted on comcast tech support, wishing I could talk with someone who'd heard of the OSI layer cake, that's a beautiful idea
15:52 jcamins XKCD/806 compliant. Heh.
15:51 pianohacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrews_&_Arnold has good chance of non-awfulness, but only a chance :)
15:51 wizzyrea I got one drop down and one text box
15:51 wizzyrea I tested with this: SELECT surname,firstname FROM borrowers WHERE branchcode=<<Enter patrons library|branches>> AND surname LIKE <<Enter filter FOR patron surname (% IF none)>>
15:50 wizzyrea what's your complete query?
15:50 wizzyrea me too
15:50 jcamins Works for me.
15:50 pianohacker jcamins: bleh, there's a truism if I've heard one
15:49 * wizzyrea checks
15:49 jcamins pianohacker: I think basically all ISPs are awful.
15:48 jvr but now it do not work if there is no pipe
15:48 pianohacker does anyone have any strong feelings as far as comcast vs centurylink (qwest)?
15:48 wizzyrea that should work - it just doesn't show the text box?
15:48 jvr I need a pipe for text box it was supose to be <<something>>
15:47 jcamins Really? That's not good.
15:47 jvr following the manual no longer works correctly
15:46 jvr I not new in this business, but it just stop working correctly
15:45 jcamins jvr: ^^ you should be able to find instructions for how to use reports in the manual
15:45 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
15:45 jcamins manual?
15:44 jvr WHERE items.itemcallnumber BETWEEN <<Call number between>> AND <<and>>
15:44 jvr how do I render text box in 3.8 or 3.10 for
15:44 jvr Hi, need help again
15:43 wizzyrea and it will tell you what to install and how to config apache
15:43 wizzyrea otherwise just look up "install a lamp stack"
15:42 wizzyrea when you install, if you choose "LAMP" it is automagic
15:42 jcamins wizzyrea: good call.
15:42 wizzyrea server*
15:42 wizzyrea well you do have to have php installed on your serer
15:42 jcamins I always thoguht that was automatic.
15:41 smeagol Yeah, that's what I need to do, I guess.
15:41 jcamins I have no idea how to configure Apache to run PHP scripts on the same virtual host.
15:41 jcamins Okay, so this is a script unrelated to Koha.
15:41 smeagol jcamins: I know it's written in perl, i'm just writing some scripts that pull data from mysql tables and format in php for booklists, and such..
15:40 jcamins Thanks.
15:39 wizzyrea yarp
15:39 jcamins_ Am I onlinestill?
15:37 jcamins Why are you trying to run PHP scripts?
15:37 jcamins smeagol: Koha is written in Perl.
15:36 smeagol Hi all, I'm having a little problem running php scripts from the opac browser. The will run at the command line, but not the browser. Do you have to make an edit to koha-httpd.conf, or something? thanks.
15:36 jcamins wizzyrea: why _are_ you up at this hour?
15:33 wizzyrea :)
15:33 wizzyrea the one time I'm up!
15:33 jcamins He is not.
15:32 wizzyrea i always always miss him by like 10 minutes in the morning
15:31 * wizzyrea waves to oleonard, since he's probably around
15:30 reiveune bye
14:59 Joubu The customer did not validate it at the moment, so I cannot submit it on Bugzilla
14:59 Joubu drojf: I didn't follow the discussion, but it is funny, I created a C4::Search::History package (Why not in the Koha namespace... I don't know!) in one of our development last week (branch paris-sud/ft/MT11473 from the biblibre repo). Just in case...
14:57 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:57 jcamins @later tell cait One thing about the screenshots: I had bug 8884 applied when I took them.
14:44 tweetbot [off] twitter: @emilyalling: "At Green Mountain College for a meeting of VT academic libraries using #KohaILS . First order of business: examining Thai restaurant menu."
14:38 kf bye all :)
14:36 druthb gmcharlt++
14:36 kf gmcharlt++ # good advice
14:35 drojf gmcharlt: lol i will try that :D
14:35 gmcharlt drojf: if you squint and look only at the search history bits, you can pretend that the rest of it doesn't exist ;)
14:34 jcamins kf: ^^ that was for you
14:34 drojf gmcharlt: thanks! (for answering, not for making me do things in Search.pm :P)
14:34 jcamins Okay, updated the document to note that it's CC-BY-SA.
14:31 wizzyrea hehehe
14:30 gmcharlt oops -- I meant to tease you, not give you nightmares
14:29 wizzyrea I sincerely hope that I'm dreaming that you said that
14:29 gmcharlt not sleepy enough, I see ;)
14:29 wizzyrea :)
14:28 kf lol
14:26 gmcharlt wizzyrea: so, about that use of the blink tag you were going to roll out on the website .. how is that coming along?
14:25 kf go to bed!
14:24 * wizzyrea waves sleepily
14:22 kf good one :)
14:17 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery" (added by wizzyrea at 04:53 AM, September 15, 2011)
14:17 gmcharlt @quote random
14:17 gmcharlt if you want to take a little more time and refactor, maybe put it in a new module called Koha::Search::History on thel ike
14:16 gmcharlt to answer your question, if you don't want to spend too much effort at it, I agree with Srdjan that it should go into C4::Search -- that's where AddSearchHistory and GetSearchHistory live at the moment
14:15 gmcharlt drojf: good morning
13:55 * drojf drank club mate and coffee and is still tired :(
13:54 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
13:54 drojf @later tell gmcharlt could you have a look at the comments on bug 10361 please? do you agree i should move the query to Search.pm?
13:31 drojf i was rather having in mind to put it into a larger privacy thing later
13:31 jcamins Wise.
13:31 drojf ;)
13:31 drojf i would not look for anything in search.pm
13:28 kf maybe gmcharlt is the person to ask here as he can tell you to redo it :)
13:28 kf but I am not sure i would have looked in search.pm for it :)
13:28 kf if all other search related things are there it might make sense
13:28 kf I am not sure really
13:28 kf hm
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10361 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add Option to cleanup_database.pl to purge search_history entries
13:27 drojf kf: do you agree with the comment on bug 10361 about moving the query to Search.pm?
13:24 kf tcohen++ :)
13:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10399 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , rebuild_zebra.pl should reset the indexes with -r even if zebraqueue empty
13:23 tcohen bug 10399
13:06 jcamins Sure.
13:05 tcohen ¿
13:05 tcohen jcamins, should I fill a bug for the rebuild_zebra.pl script not resetting the indexes if zebraqueue empty
13:03 huginn` tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10161 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , rebuild_zebra.pl should (at least) exit 1 on error
13:03 huginn` tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9511 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing problem
13:03 huginn` tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8493 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , improve verbosity output of rebuild_zebra.pl script
13:03 huginn` tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , False "no items" in search results [intranet]
13:03 huginn` tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6172 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra not indexed Unimarc-records
13:03 tcohen @query rebuild_zebra.pl
13:03 huginn` tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables.
13:03 tcohen @search rebuild_zebra.pl
12:40 tcohen eythian++ # for this mid-term packages update to support wheezy
12:39 tcohen hi kf
12:37 samueld hi kf
12:37 drojf hi kf :)
12:37 kf hi tcohen and samueld :)
12:37 kf hi drojf :)
12:33 drojf good day #koha
12:30 tcohen morning #koha!
12:05 samueld hi everybody :-)
11:56 * kf sends jcamins some bok choi
11:44 jcamins I wish I didn't have to wait until tonight to get it. :/
11:41 kf yay :)
11:36 jcamins Nomnomnom... CSA starting today! We're getting a lettuce mix, salad turnips, bok choi, romaine lettuce, arugula, and red kale.
09:50 kf haven't seen it in a while
09:50 kf we got some sun!
09:50 huginn` kf: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Friedrichshafen DE, Friedrichshafen, Germany is 11.7°C (11:15 AM CEST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:50 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:10 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
09:10 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:33 BobB Thanks paul_p
08:33 * BobB goes to investigate the sys pref (sheepishly)
08:32 BobB ooops!!! Did not check the sys pref, that will be it for sure.
08:32 paul_p (dunno it's name, and i'm at a meeting, so can't investigate)
08:32 paul_p BobB probably not a sandbox thing, but the sco syspref should be disabled probably
08:30 BobB it sends me to opac-main.pl. Any reason you know of?
08:30 BobB catalogue.test7.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/sco/sco-main.pl
08:30 BobB But when I enter ...
08:30 paul_p BobB of course you would be more than welcomed to 2014 Marseille hackfest !!!
08:29 BobB paul_p, I am trying to use a sandbox (#7) to test a patch in the self checkout module.
08:28 BobB Just speculating at this stage, but it would be nice. We'd like to see our daughter (in London). :)
08:27 BobB Irma and I would like to come to Marseille hackfest in 2014. Are we welcome?
08:27 BobB Hi Paul.
08:27 BobB :)
08:27 paul_p BobB not far ;-)
08:26 BobB paul_p about?
08:06 gerundio good morning everyone
07:57 kf evening rangi
07:54 rangi evening
07:49 kf hi #koha
07:22 gaetan_B hello
07:03 sophie_m bonjour
07:02 wahanui hola, asaurat
07:02 asaurat hi
06:57 dcook night folks
06:57 dcook All right. Star Trek time!
06:47 wahanui que tal, reiveune
06:47 reiveune hello
06:37 christophe_c hello cait ;-)
06:33 cait and bbl :)
06:33 cait hi christophe_c :)
06:30 christophe_c hello #koha
06:20 cait [off] hm?
06:14 dcook [off] Ah, just when you feel like you've gotten to a good place, someone decides they want something new...
05:42 cait :)
05:31 * dcook waves to cait
05:31 * cait waves again
05:14 kathryn_ fair nuff :)
05:14 cait yep have to get ready for work :-)
05:13 kathryn_ hi cait :) rebel..with a cause?
05:04 cait no
05:04 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
05:04 eythian cait?!?
05:04 wahanui somebody said cait was qam, not your secretary
05:04 eythian cait?!?
05:04 wahanui rumour has it cait is qam, not your secretary
05:04 eythian cait?!?
05:04 cait waves
05:01 kathryn_ hehe byes
05:01 wizzyrea later peeps
05:01 wizzyrea into the rain with me
05:00 * wizzyrea makes a crotchety old lady noise about getting off of her lawn
05:00 eythian http://youtu.be/-m8IOD-wk9g <-- or 1979 computer noises?
04:59 kathryn_ it's making 80s computer noises
04:58 * kathryn_ waves back
04:58 wizzyrea and kathryn_
04:58 kathryn_ Yes thanks for that eythian :)
04:58 * wizzyrea waves to kathryn
04:57 eythian I see it worked, kathryn_
04:45 dcook That shouldn't be a hard thing to change though
04:44 mtj ok, thanks all
04:44 wizzyrea mtj I'm pretty sure the gui doesn't handle xml
04:43 mtj ill take a peek, and see if its an easy patch
04:43 eythian yeah, I'm fairly sure it doesn't handle that.
04:42 mtj it failed
04:42 mtj yep
04:42 dcook ?
04:42 dcook Have you tried it
04:42 mtj … the cli tool handles marcxml, but not the gui?
04:41 dcook Very possibly
04:41 mtj my hunch is, its a missing feature
04:41 dcook I've never tried anything but raw marc
04:41 dcook Took me a second to realize what you were saying
04:41 mtj hmm, either bib or auth
04:40 wahanui Which kind is probably the right kind >.>
04:40 dcook Which kind?
04:40 mtj peeps, anyone managed to import any marcxml files into koha, via the gui?
04:39 eythian I wonder if the streetlights are on. They should be.
04:39 wizzyrea weird!
04:38 eythian could be, not much of one though. My phone records it and it's been falling all day, just a small blip an hour or two ago.
04:37 wizzyrea maybe it's the bubble before the fall
04:34 eythian I'd expect falling through the floor.
04:34 eythian I'm surprise the hPa is rising.
04:33 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
04:33 eythian @wunder nzwn
04:04 eythian I don't know, it'd be good if there were
04:03 mtj hmmm, i wonder if theres an .ignore file, for that
04:03 eythian I have auto-whitespace-cleaning on, it was probably that.
04:03 wizzyrea erps
04:02 eythian (it turned tabs into spaces, which is a no-no)
04:02 eythian hmm, I just had git break a makefile on me
03:58 wizzyrea O.o
03:58 dcook Blowing my mind-tank
03:57 dcook Wow, I didn't know Bugzilla was on Linode, Dallas
03:57 dcook UK seems to make sense
03:57 wizzyrea that left japan and UK
03:57 * wizzyrea was warned away from dallas and atlanta
03:56 wizzyrea :)
03:56 dcook No wonder cait was getting super fast results and mine were taking a while
03:56 dcook UK-based Linode site
03:56 dcook Ack
03:56 dcook Mmm, I was wondering if it was a Linode-based site
03:54 wizzyrea there = website admin
03:54 wizzyrea cool I'll remove them from there then
03:54 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars <-- they are here
03:54 wizzyrea which... may be inappropriate
03:53 wizzyrea the other bots are listed :P
03:53 eythian wahanui isn't a website
03:53 * wizzyrea nudges eythian - wahanui isn't listed
03:52 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration -- if you have something here, or have been passed a torch to do any of this stuff, please update yourselves :)
03:46 dcook Thanks :). I was pretty happy with the end result.
03:46 mtj dcook++ awesome :)
03:46 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
03:40 dcook The records are identical. Even the 005s.
03:39 dcook (the backport was just cutting off at 20 records, while the version I posted in bugzilla actually retrieves all results)
03:39 dcook It finds your King, Arthur
03:39 dcook mtj: Yep, the z39.50 authority searching patch I have on bugzilla works
03:35 dcook I've been wondering if that's just old info
03:35 dcook mtj: Can you link me to the web page that says they don't provide z39.50 access?
03:34 dcook Hmm, and of course I nuked my old config when I reset my db. Silly me.
03:31 dcook Because 3.8 is inferior to 3.10 and 3.12 :p
03:31 dcook The backport only uses the top 20 hits
03:31 * dcook goes to try it with his dev install
03:31 dcook And it's the backport that's messed up...
03:31 dcook Ohhh, unless I am
03:31 dcook I'm not retrieving all the King, Arthur entries though..
03:31 mtj promising
03:30 dcook Mmm, looks like the z39.50 version was last touched a day after the one you find in the catalogue
03:29 dcook Although the z39.50 version is missing some of their local 9xx tags (which probably makes sense)
03:29 dcook The rest of the information looks good though
03:28 dcook Hmm, the 005s are different though
03:28 mtj ok, thats surprisingly good news
03:27 dcook I just found PKD no problem though
03:26 dcook As I'm having difficulty locating that example of yours
03:26 dcook I wish I would've kept the control number search field though...
03:25 dcook mtj: Yep
03:25 mtj dcook, have you had any success fetching auth records, with this general info? -> http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html
03:23 dcook Ok, let's see...
03:20 dcook That's...surprising
03:20 dcook Interesting...apparently my backport is broken...
03:20 mtj lol, sorry thats 'Arthur King' not king arthur :)
03:19 mtj so, thats useful stuff
03:19 dcook I can check quick to see if the name files listed here accord with that
03:18 mtj and in marcxml -> http://lccn.loc.gov/nr97000676/marcxml
03:18 mtj heres an auth records for 'king arthur' -> http://lccn.loc.gov/nr97000676
03:18 dcook mtj: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html#serv
03:17 dcook Yeah, another one of those scenarios of "wth, LoC"
03:16 mtj um… yeah :/
03:16 dcook Individually
03:16 mtj you can get auth records via their website
03:15 dcook All the more reason to develop Semantikoha, I suppose
03:15 dcook They just have it in RDF, me thinks
03:15 dcook mtj: Unfortunately, LoC doesn't offer MARC downloads of its authorities
03:14 dcook I just wonder if they're "the" authority databases
03:14 dcook Because they do have a few authority databases that you can access through Z39.50
03:13 dcook Yeah, I'm not 100% sure if that line about Library of Congress not providing Z39.50 access to authority records is bunk or not
03:13 dcook Yeah, jcamins is awesome
03:12 dcook In the nicest way possible
03:12 * dcook just got back to his desk and is seeing red
03:12 dcook Hmm?
03:12 mtj aaaaah "Update: Jcamins has mentioned that it's actually possible to use the "Stage MARC records for import" tool for importing authorities as well starting from 3.10+"
03:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching
03:11 mtj bug 10096 has some info
03:11 mtj yeah, i'll ask him next time
03:09 eythian he might be able to tell you the useful sources
03:09 eythian wasn't it dcook who was doing stuff with that?
03:08 wizzyrea bother
03:08 mtj No. Z39.50 access to authority records is not currently available. LC does expect to be able to offer Z39.50 access to authority records in a future release."
03:08 mtj "5) Does the Library of Congress provide Z39.50 access to authority records?
03:08 mtj this was a bummer tho...
03:08 wizzyrea rain getting bounced back up into the cold cloud and tossed around
03:08 wizzyrea isn't that how you get hail?
03:07 wizzyrea ^.^
03:07 eythian however, when the wind kicks in, it'll probably start going upwards anyway, so it might remain dry :)
03:06 mtj http://authorities.loc.gov/
03:06 mtj http://authorities.loc.gov/help/auth-faq.htm
03:06 mtj off-topic - i just discovered a bunch of interesting docs from LOC, re: auth-records
03:06 wizzyrea i know, I was noticing.
03:06 eythian wizzyrea: the rain probably won't let up for a while, look how dark it is out there.
03:06 mtompset Drive through pouring rain only to be greeted by nice sunshine 15 minutes later... repeat randomly.
03:05 mtompset It can't decide if it is spring or summer here.
03:05 wizzyrea yep :)
03:04 mtompset raining?
03:04 wizzyrea 2 hours... there may be relief before then.
03:04 wizzyrea that is, if it keeps doing what it's currently doing outside
03:04 wizzyrea indeed.
03:04 mtompset I'm assuming that is slang for bad.
03:03 wizzyrea ...this commute is going to be pants.
03:02 wizzyrea yw :)
03:02 wizzyrea I LIKE IT
03:02 mtj thanks liz :)
03:02 mtompset wizzyrea: I may be the one to try to implement it.
03:02 wizzyrea mtompset: you would not be the first or last to wish for this
03:02 mtj i thought it was a recent feature :d
03:02 mtj aah, ok
03:02 mtj … or must you use the cli tool?
03:02 wizzyrea yes, in 3.12
03:01 mtj peeps, can you import an authority file via the staff gui, in koha?
03:01 mtompset Yes, roles would be another word that works for me. :)
03:01 wizzyrea roles, sure
03:01 eythian so, roles.
03:01 mtompset But linked to patron category.
03:01 wizzyrea based on category
03:01 mtompset Yes, permission profiles.
03:01 wizzyrea you are talking about permission profiles
03:01 mtompset Well, okay... let's see... the Set Permissions page.
03:00 wizzyrea yes, that makes sense to me
02:58 eythian (as in, I can't actually parse it :)
02:58 eythian at least, not to me
02:58 eythian no
02:55 mtompset Does that make sense?
02:54 mtompset Imagine having people responsible for acquisitions different than cataloguers different than (other functionalities), and having those sets of permissions defaulting for the patron type, because you set up grades of staffing.
02:52 mtompset because in addition to the SAML stuff I'm playing with... making slow progress, but progress nonetheless... the authentication problems ties into an authorization problem.
02:51 mtompset Or... patrons in country X only see branches in country X (based on a group set up).
02:49 mtompset Or a our corporate person vs. our partner organization person patron.
02:49 mtompset well, it would be both a staff vs. volunteer staff type scenario.
02:48 mtompset ^through^throw^
02:48 mtompset without having to through multiple user ids or superlibrarian at them.
02:48 dcook IE--
02:48 wizzyrea well that sounds like it is for staff
02:48 mtompset Or have people who can easily handle TWO independent branches.
02:48 wizzyrea patron views
02:48 wizzyrea I call that "views"
02:47 mtompset Exactly.
02:47 wizzyrea see certain things
02:47 wizzyrea mtompset: yes, I hear that quite often
02:46 eythian what can one patron do that another can't?
02:46 eythian to what end?
02:46 mtompset Has there ever been a discussion about permissions related to patron types or groups?
02:45 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:40 wizzyrea that's less fun than wandering around with knives.
02:39 eythian ibeardslee: the knife sharpener person comes to Catalyst, you know
02:39 wizzyrea keyword: mostly
02:38 ibeardslee mostly sane people in here
02:38 ibeardslee .. not in here
02:38 * wizzyrea makes a note to avoid ibeardslee's desk
02:38 wizzyrea !
02:38 * ibeardslee wanders to sharpen knives
02:37 ibeardslee seems standard around here
02:36 eythian ibeardslee: why are you going backwards?
02:36 ibeardslee you can steer with the wind blowing you backwards up the hill?
02:35 eythian unless you're biking home, in which case you'll be passing traffic going up the hill.
02:34 eythian yeah, it's not a good day to be biking.
02:32 * wizzyrea is feeling toasty warm after soup and a coffee.
02:31 wizzyrea wunder missed the spitting rain.
02:31 wizzyrea holy crap that's a lot of wind.
02:17 eythian they were talking about 30mm+ of rain in an hour, though appear to have revised that.
02:11 cjh cold, windy and wet :(
02:11 rangi straight off antartica
02:10 dcook Wow...
02:10 rangi so cold
02:10 rangi southerly too
02:10 jcamins That's a lot of wind.
02:10 cjh eik
02:10 rangi its gonna get yucky
02:09 rangi http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington/wellington-city
02:09 jcamins True.
02:07 dcook jcamins: Yet we keep using her name...
02:06 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
02:06 rangi @wunder nzwn
02:03 * jcamins thinks cait should turn her tablet off all the way so that it doesn't wake her.
02:00 * dcook hopes it was just the computer and that cait is still sleeping
01:58 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
01:58 jcamins cait?!?
01:57 * dcook waves to cait
01:28 dcook Well, unless you're friends with a friend of the lead singer, but...that doesn't help me now
01:28 dcook Argh. Only problem with local bands...you forget to buy their demo, you get a song stuck in your head, and you have no way to hear it again...
01:27 jcamins Mmmmm.
01:13 dcook Hmm, I'm sure there are 70-80% dark chocolate chips out there..
01:12 dcook I'm just thinking because I would need to use dark chocolate of some sort due to the requisite veganness
01:12 dcook Yumm
01:05 jcamins Just chocolate chips.
01:05 dcook What sort of chocolate are you using?
01:04 dcook There will be mango bingeing when they're ripe again next summer
01:04 dcook We have a mango tree in the backyard at home :). Won't have anything on it for ages since we're getting into winter, but...
01:03 dcook And gives me ideas...
01:03 dcook In that case, it would probably be delicious
01:03 jcamins dcook: I don't mind runny pudding.
01:03 * dcook has turned down the coke in favour of water, but...the chocolate remains
01:00 wizzyrea squee!
01:00 wizzyrea vine for android!
00:58 * dcook dislikes runny pudding
00:58 dcook Perhaps the smoothie
00:58 dcook Pudding might need to set too?
00:58 dcook Mmm, jcamins, you're making me long for summer
00:45 jcamins Chocolate-mango mousse is out because I don't want to wait for it to set up, and it's hot in here so anything involving the oven is out.
00:45 jcamins Also in the running: chocolate-mango smoothie
00:40 jcamins Yes, I think so.
00:40 jcamins Mango-chocolate pudding?
00:38 dcook That would probably help
00:37 jcamins dcook: yeah, the US doesn't have a Queen or Crown to reserve copyright.
00:36 dcook Library and Archives Canada is also seeming to decrease the amount of information and service they're providing both to libraries and citizens..
00:36 dcook The provincial governments aren't quite as...open
00:36 dcook Now that I think about it, I think a lot of Canadian federal information is open to the public (if they actually post it and keep it updated...)
00:35 * dcook ponders
00:34 dcook No copyright?
00:34 dcook jcamins: Hmm?
00:32 jcamins dcook: that's true for anything produced by the federal government, as I understand it.
00:29 dcook Plus, there is nothing explicit that I see about that
00:25 jcamins Yeah, it does seem kind of pointless.
00:24 eythian though, I expect it's uncommon for them to put restrictions on for international use.
00:23 jcamins So licensing terms are moot in my case (though as it turns out the license would allow anyone to scrape the MARC spec), but not in yours.
00:23 dcook eythian: That is, I think you're right
00:23 dcook eythian: Seems like it
00:22 dcook jcamins: Yeah, that's how I read that as well
00:22 jcamins dcook: by definition, any data created by the Library of Congress is in the public domain for US citizens.
00:22 eythian LoC probably isn't allowed to copyright any of their stuff, I think
00:22 dcook And so long as you don't try to access non-public information or vandalize their pages
00:22 dcook It's vague, but it seems to say that you can do whatever you want with the info it displays within those above constraints
00:21 dcook jcamins: Oh?
00:21 dcook http://www.loc.gov/homepage/legal.html#security
00:21 jcamins No one else on at this hour can, though, it looks like.
00:21 cjh wow 24 hours to complete, that is pretty generous.
00:21 * jcamins can do whatever he wants with the data on the LC website.
00:20 eythian that script needs some real perltidy'ing
00:20 dcook quire more than 24 hours to complete."
00:20 dcook "The Library reserves the right to block IP addresses that fail to honor the Library's robots.txt files or submit requests at a rate that negatively impacts service delivery to all Library patrons. Current guidelines recommend that software programs submit a total of no more than 10 requests per minute to Library applications, regardless of the number of machines used to submit requests. The Library also reserves the right to terminate programs that re
00:17 tcohen do_indexing is triggered only on the presence of anything to index
00:17 tcohen you're right jcamins
00:16 dcook rangi: Just noticed your comments in there. Good point.
00:16 mtj nice email eythian++
00:15 jcamins I think.
00:15 jcamins There's something about the init not getting committed if there were no records.
00:14 eythian tcohen: I just read through the code in rebuild_zebra and you're totally right about it doing that.
00:14 wizzyrea yep - but I can't remember what it was I wanted to ask you >.<
00:13 nengard wizzyrea still around?
00:13 tcohen (always been there)
00:13 jcamins There's a bug in the rebuild_zebra.pl logic, that's why there's a problem. I think.
00:13 tcohen it has :-D
00:12 eythian tcohen: I think it's always been like that, but yeah, in this case it should just work.
00:12 rangi http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/
00:11 rangi itd be nice if they actually put a license up
00:11 tcohen maybe is a side effect of my rewrite...
00:11 tcohen if you run koha-rebuild-zebra, -r is passed to rebuild_zebra.pl
00:10 eythian oh, in that case you could just pass -r to koha-rebuild-zebra
00:09 tcohen rebuild_zebra -r does the init thing
00:09 rangi just make sure their license doesn't preclude that
00:07 eythian tcohen: I think they're actually reinitialising the zebra indices from scratch there. If a rebuild_zebra -f doesn't, then koha-rebuild-zebra won't.
00:06 tcohen eythian: doesn't koha-rebuild-zebra --full|-f instancename do what is needed?
00:00 mtj yes, very impressive