Time  Nick       Message
00:03 mtj        yep, me too
00:05 mtj        i even missed brooke's reply :)
00:06 mtj        which means i cant reply to either… even if i wanted too
00:11 tcohen     hi mtj
00:11 tcohen     i'm about to answer BTW
00:12 mtj        heya tomas
00:12 mtj        really?
00:12 wahanui    somebody said really was off now
00:13 bgkriegel  don't answer
00:13 mtj        yeah, dont answer...
00:14 tcohen     oops
00:14 tcohen     already did it
00:14 bgkriegel  too late :)
00:14 tcohen     i'm flamer-friendly I guess
00:14 tcohen     hi bgkriegel
00:14 bgkriegel  hi tomas
00:15 bgkriegel  hi mtj
00:15 mtj        hey bernardo, thanks for those marc framworks patches
00:16 bgkriegel  :-)
00:16 bgkriegel  I was working today on that
00:17 mtj        i have a task to add some RDA patches koha
00:17 mtj        i want to ask people if i should add them to the default marc21 framework... or make a new RDA fwrk instead?
00:18 bgkriegel  mmm, ask the list? :-)
00:18 tcohen     people already using Koha will have to choose to change the default framework
00:18 tcohen     people new to koha will benefit from that I gues
00:19 mtj        afaict, the RDA stuff is not actually part of the marc21 spec?
00:20 bgkriegel  I think not
00:20 mtj        tcohen, yeah… there is a possiblilty people have modified their default fwrk already
00:20 tcohen     yes, but shipping new frameworks with Koha wont affect them
00:21 mtj        'updating' that fwrk could break their system :/ so we dont want to do that
00:21 mtj        we can just tell people in the release-notes, to do that manually - if they want/need to
00:22 tcohen     unless you thought of messing with installed frameworks during upgrade, which you shouldnt
00:22 tcohen     exactly
00:23 mtj        yep, agreed :)
00:24 * tcohen   is heading to raise the amount of time for the "undo" feature gmail has for sent emails
00:24 mtj        bgkriegel, yes, i'll email the list  about the RDA question
00:38 mtj        tcohen, i have come to realise… the trick is to just not respond
00:38 tcohen     its a bug i was born with: i already knew it
00:39 tcohen     and answered anyway
00:39 mtj        ...if you cant resist the urge - set up a mail-filter to make it impossible for you
00:39 mtj        so far, its working for me :)
00:41 mtj        if i am really curious, i can still read the thread on the koha mail-archives website - but i cant respond :)
00:41 tcohen     hmm, so you cannot be tempted
00:42 mtj        yeah… and hey - i have the same bug as you, i think
00:42 mtj        …so i patched it  ;)
00:43 tcohen     hehe
00:45 tcohen     i live in an illusional world where I can convince him by explaining things to him
00:45 tcohen     gotta fix that bug, true story
00:45 bgkriegel  not a chance
00:48 cjh        heh
00:50 tcohen     maybe he attends to reno and we beat him
00:51 tcohen     the email filter sounds simpler and... well... less violent of course
00:51 mtj        fyi: tcohen, im using gmail as my filter - it took me 5 mins to sort
00:51 mtj        worked 1st time, too
00:57 mtj        heya cjh
00:57 cjh        hey mtj :)
01:08 tcohen     bye #koha, see u at the pubs tonight, if you happen to be in cordoba :-D
02:40 rangi      Mtj: there is already and rda framework on the wiki ppl can just import it using framework import in koha
02:53 mtj        yeah, i know that :)
02:54 mtj        i've been asked to do some rda stuff, for calyx...
02:55 mtj        like updating the xslt stylesheets for the new rda fields, too
02:58 jcamins    The new RDA fields are absolutely part of MARC21.
02:58 mtj        right… just reading that now -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html
02:59 mtj        "MARC 21 Updates 9-15 include all changes to MARC for use with RDA approved through June 2012."
02:59 jcamins    As for display, add the useful (hahahahahaha!!!!) RDA fields to the default stylesheets with classes.
02:59 jcamins    And you might want ot check with ByWater. They did a big press release about how they were providing full RDA support for their clients.
03:00 jcamins    Presumably by now "full support" means they actually display them, and they have patches to submit.
03:00 mtj        yep, ill do that - for sure
03:02 jcamins    Out of curiosity, which fields have people actually found a use for?
03:02 jcamins    I guess the new imprint statements that you never see?
03:03 mtj        hmm, so with these new update.16 patches - the rda-fwrk files on the wiki will be redundant?
03:03 mtj        as update.16 has all the rda fields added already?
03:04 jcamins    No, because existing installations will not have their frameworks overwritten.
03:05 mtj        hmm,  the wiki's rda files *only* have the new rda fields?
03:06 mtj        …to be amended to an existing framework?
03:08 mtj        so, the good news is - update.16 contains all current rda fields
03:08 mtj        thats a nice discovery
03:09 mtj        jcamins, i have noooo idea about any 'usefulness' of any rda fields
03:09 mtj        atm, its just a task i've been asked to sort...
03:10 jcamins    Right, but presumably there are fields they want displayed?
03:11 mtj        umm… yeah :)
03:11 jcamins    If the assignment was just "make Koha RDA-compliant," I'd go back and report that you're finished (and request a check;).
03:11 mtj        …we havent got to the specifics of that bit yet :)
03:16 mtj        yeah, so i'll check with bywater before i start with the xslt stuff
03:17 mtj        via an email to the dev list
03:17 jcamins    Hey, that reminds me.
03:18 jcamins    I was going to set the Koha lists NOMAIL.
03:23 mtj        hmm, what is NOMAIL?
03:24 jcamins    What it sounds like.
03:25 jcamins    You can set it up so you're still subscribed but none of the mail gets sent to you.
03:25 mtj        ok, that was my first guess :)
03:25 jcamins    Yep. Nothing sneaky.
03:25 * jcamins  heads to bed.
03:26 mtj        nighty nite jcamins
03:26 mtj        …and may your dreams be filled with nozebra support questions
08:24 cait       @wunder konstanz
08:24 huginn`    cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.6°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 02, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:42 cait1      hi #koha
13:42 bgkriegel  hi cait1
13:43 cait1      hi bgkriegel :)
13:43 bgkriegel  many names :)
13:48 cait1      yeah i think the tablet is still online :)
18:39 tweetbot   [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Filling holds: How the Koha holds queue works http://t.co/9e90NmVxg2 #KohaILS"
19:17 rangi      morning
19:18 bgkriegel  morning rangi
19:18 bgkriegel  still sunday here :)
19:18 rangi      :)
19:19 rangi      @wunder nzwn
19:19 huginn`    rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
19:19 cait1      morning rangi
19:43 tweetbot   [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Filling holds: How the Koha holds queue works http://t.co/XJDV3krire"
20:12 rangi      bgkriegel: the new pootle is working well
20:13 cait1      oh did we get an update?
20:13 bgkriegel  yes, it seems :)
20:13 bgkriegel  cait1: on a test server
20:13 bgkriegel  I did a copy to try the update
20:14 cait1      ah, fingers crossed :)
20:14 rangi      cait1 is a good tester she is probably the most experienced translator
20:20 * mtj      waves to rangi , cait1, bgkriegel
20:20 cait1      hi mtj
20:20 bgkriegel  hi mtj
20:20 cait1      rangi: lol, that's widely exaggerated
20:21 jcamins    No one would ever want to match more than one or two tags in their indexing, right: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl;h=2cbef6977daf5fab3154520622c8027f27611433;hb=00541ff7fb928ad4f2b70299a6b809911cb7e1c5#l2065
20:22 jcamins    Zebra's DOM filter apparently doesn't support XSLT 2.0 *or* 1.0. Which baffles me.
20:23 cait1      ?
20:23 mtj        hey chris, how did atarau's partaay go?
20:24 cait1      jcamins: what am I looking at?
20:25 rangi      mtj: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2013/06/02/te-po-atarau-and-maui-nukurau/
20:28 mtj        seriously wow!
20:28 cait1      very cool
20:31 mtj        stuff will want to do follow-up to the initial story
20:37 mtj        the fotos are all pretty classic too :D
20:45 jcamins    cait1: Zebra does not support substring() in its DOM filters, apparently, so I have a gazillion "or"s strung together.
20:46 cait1      oh
20:52 jcamins    As for why I did that, I was adding a search option for medical and non-medical subject headings.
22:38 * wizzyrea wave
23:52 wizzyrea   holy smokes it's quiet.
23:53 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:53 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011)
23:53 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:53 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009)
23:53 wahanui    i already had it that way, huginn`.
23:53 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:53 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
23:53 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:53 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013)
23:53 gmcharlt   @quote random
23:53 huginn`    gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011)
23:53 wizzyrea   :D
23:54 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:54 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #182: "rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels" (added by wizzyrea at 07:35 PM, January 25, 2012)
23:54 wizzyrea   though I like chiclet keyboards :P
23:54 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:54 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
23:54 bgkriegel  @quote random
23:54 huginn`    bgkriegel: Quote #104: "<Brooke> not people quoting me *again*" (added by druthb at 01:07 AM, November 17, 2010)
23:54 wizzyrea   tee ehe
23:55 wizzyrea   @quote random
23:56 huginn`    wizzyrea: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
23:58 gmcharlt   good thing for rangi that nobody actually got around to implementing the git-invoke-linus command
23:58 jcamins    lol
23:58 gmcharlt   so, now that Matt Smith has announced his departure... who should be the new Doctor?